1-16-26 Friday Night Sterling

Sterling talks with ESPN's Dave Purdum about college sports gambling controversies, Mike Wall of SPACE.com, Kevin Carr about a new movie release, and Dr. Donna Schlagheck about the Minnesota ICE protests.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the weekend Sterling back seven hundred WLW, guy who
knows from betting in sports for ESPN chalk. You may
have even seen him all over TV the last couple
of days. I know I have David Purdham. Welcome back
to seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
How are you man, I'm doing great, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
You know, usually I'm here to talk about like odds
for a World Series or a Super Bowl or maybe
some like Final Four action. But occasionally in the midst
of sports betting things come up. But a couple of
weeks ago was the NBA thing. We've talked about point
shaving and stuff like that too. The last couple of
days it's been in the NCAA basketball sort of realm,

(00:38):
if you will, Can you break down in short order
what exactly has transpired and where we are now sitting
in the midst of what continues to be I guess
an evolving story and court proceeding.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, absolutely so. Yesterday federal authorities in the Eastern District
of Pennsylvania unsealed a seventy page indictment that outlined a
point shavings that had been going on for the previous
two seasons. Thirty twenty six people were indicted. Thirty nine
was a thirty nine games, some of the twenty five

(01:11):
games something around there dozens of games. Seventeen college teams
had players on there that had been impacted. And this
thing went on for two years. It was a gambling
ring that has some crossover to the people that were
involved in the NBA betting scandals from earlier. This fall
their last ball, I should say, So, yeah, that's where

(01:31):
we're at right now.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's ugly, it really is so. David Purdam from ESPN
Chalk was sterling on the big one. So when you
think about the sheer number of colleges and universities playing
basketball competitively across the United States, I mean, how many
student athletes and how many schools are involved. To say
that twenty or twenty five particular games or teams and

(01:55):
twenty students seems really small. But when it comes to
the integrity of the game, it's a pretty big deal.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
It is a big deal, and I certainly when I
put this out here, just I want people to realize that, yes,
we do not want any games fixed. However, there are
six thousand men's college basketball games perst season roughly six
thousand a little bit over actually six thousand games, so
two years. This thing went on for two years, and
the FEDS found that they had manipulated or got kids

(02:24):
to compromise twenty nine of those games. So twenty nine
games and look at a twelve thousand. It's not a lot.
It's too many, right, it's too many. We don't want that.
But saying that we're going to completely eliminate and not
have game fixing, it just kind of flies in the
face of history because college basketball, you can go back
to the nineteen fifties, has always had an issue with

(02:47):
point shaving schemes, and in the nineties it's forged all
the way up into the mid two thousands, all the
way to the legalization of sports betting in twenty eighteen.
About every three to five years you would get a
point shape scale that would pop up. Now, this one
is bigger than all those probably put together. But I
just think that people should before they start going, oh,

(03:09):
everything is rigged, right, Well, no, not everything is rigged.
A small, very percentage of games college basketball games have
been proven to have been fixed, but it's not a
huge amount.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Talking to David Perdamy covers sports betting for ESPN Chalk
with Stirling on seven hundred WLW. So how did this
end up getting the attention of law enforcement? Because my
guess is all above board betting houses. I mean, they're
going to notice variances in the amount of money on

(03:42):
certain games or certain players. I mean, does this play
into the prop bet question that a lot of people
have talked about too, because I know Ohio has done
a band when it comes to the high school level
because they didn't want that getting into that realm.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, prop bets weren't a factor in these games. These
were people that were fixing or asking the players to
fix complete games, point spreads and first halfs. But you
know they did it for a long time. So how
they figured it out? Again, there's that crossover. There's two
gentlemen defendants that were also implicated and charged in the

(04:17):
NBA betting scandal. Those same two guys were charged yesterday
in this college. So they're part of this gambling ring
that has been targeting sports for quite a while. They
started over with the Chinese Basketball Association way over in China.
They got somea forre NBA players that were over there,
guys from the US got them to try to compromise

(04:37):
some games and fed them inside information. That started in
about September twenty two, according to the indictment. After that,
before the twenty twenty three college basketball season, they turned
their focus to college basketball and what they did is
recruit kids that they had known. They got a guy
that is part of the fixers, they called him, according
to the FEDS, who trained kids coming up out of

(05:01):
North Carolina, right young basketball players. He reached back out
to kids they knew other connections. They started offering them bribes.
Bribes are ten thousand to thirty thousand dollars according to
the indictment. Hey we'll give you this in exchange. You
play poorly in this game right here, so we can
win our bets.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
And when it comes down to the integrity of the game,
I mean, as a fan, there's one thing. As a conference,
there's a thing, there's an issue with the school, there's
an issue with the players. There's a question obviously. Also,
I mean pick a place where you do your betting,
because I mean, their livelihood's also involved in this. And
then everyone else who's throwing money on the line for

(05:41):
any particular game, how does. How do the big betting houses,
whether it's in house, casino or on a phone or
on app or whatever website, how do they navigate this
to make sure that people have trust because this could,
I'm guessing, affect the long term their development in their business.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I mean people always oh, the bookmakers are in on
it or whatever. No, the bookmakers are who loses when
this stuff happens, right, It's their money that is taken
by these guys. So on the other hand, I don't
think they did themselves very many favors in this scheme
because they took two large e bets on these obscure games,
these twenty nine games have a compromise. It's all small schools, right,

(06:23):
You're talking in Coppin State, Northwestern State. Probly the biggest
two names were DePaul and too Late, but there were
no big major conference teams. They went after this teams
and the kids that come from these small conferences that
maybe don't get the big nil deals and maybe don't
have a lot of extra money running around, maybe don't

(06:44):
think you know what, I'm probably not going to the NBA,
don't have much a professional career, so this is my
chance to get a few Bucks and that's what they did.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, I mean local news here without being specific, I
think mentioned Northern Kentucky University, which accords us a Horizon League.
So I mean that sort of fits exactly the qualifiers
that you just mentioned. Talking to David Purdamy covers betting
for sports stuff ESPN chalk with Sterling on seven hundred WLW.
So moving forward then, am I guessing that the NCAA

(07:15):
and a lot of these schools across the border going
to be having meetings And I mean the only thing
I can compare this to is Plugola, payola issues or
someone in the business of stocks and stuff where you
have someone come in every year and you have to
take tests and prove that you understand guidelines and rules
and how you go about your business. Is that the
way it works at the college level.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
They do the kids do get education, and they do
sign when they sign their letters of intent or their scholarships,
you know it's honest services. You're going to come out
here and give your best. So there are those things involved.
The problem is that, like I said before, you're never
going to completely eliminate this. Whenever there's huge amounts of

(07:58):
money and these guys were getting down four hundred thousand dollars,
you know, on a series of bet not all one bet,
but they'd spread it out through a bunch of different
sports books, a bunch of accounts, and they get that
much on a game. And if whenever you're able to
do that, there's an incentive to try to pull these schemes.
Of course, until we figure out a way to decrease
that incentive, it's going to be very difficult to stop

(08:20):
these things completely.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah, I mean, and that's sort of the nature of anything,
I guess dealing with money. But it gets a difference
when it comes to games of skill and somebody saying,
my knee was bothering me, my shot was off or whatever.
I mean, it gets really really uncomfortable for somebody having
to navigate this. How much more challenging, David, And you
may not be able to answer this, but I can't
imagine being a coach or a recruiter and you're going

(08:42):
to high school to high school, or you know, you're
you're dealing with your players in your own conference situation,
and you've got all these different things that you have
to concern yourself with. Then it's nil and how much
money can we get the team to you know, these players,
to keep a team together or to get a new
team next season, and then you got to worry about
outside for us dangling even more money at them, especially
on that lower rung or you know, not top ten

(09:05):
conference kind of scenarios. I mean, it's it's wild.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's very, very, very difficult environment right now. It's unfortunate
because we want these kids to have opportunities. Even if
they're not going to the major Division one comps, we
still want the kids to play, right, most of these
kids just love to play basketball. And for people that
have nefarious intentions to come get involved and to compromise
and to manipulate these kids, it's disgusting. And I hope

(09:31):
that we get some sort of deterrent factor from this,
where these people serve some jail time and everybody kind
of goes, hey, I don't want to do that. I
don't want to try to get in jail to make
a few bucks off some bets. It just doesn't make sense.
So I hope we do get a de terres factor
from all these indictments.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
You know. The thing also that's interesting. David Perdin from
ESPN shalk on the big one with Stirling is it
wasn't that long ago that we were talking about the
issue of fans and betters harassing players, kids, students and
so forth in the midst of this because they were,
you know, not performing at the level that they expected

(10:10):
or wanted because it was costing them money. So, I mean,
from all different vantage points, this has become a much
murkier scenario. Did you expect this on the outside looking
in as this was growing and opening up a little bit.
I mean, I guess it makes sense that it would
just be something that comes part and parcel with the
endeavor that it is.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I certainly thought there would be issues at the college level,
the lower level colleges like we see. I was surprised
that we've seen so many issues in the NBA and
in Major League Baseball, where you had the two Cleveland
Guardians pitchers indicted on charges that they kind of participated
in some sort of scheme about manipulating individual pitches for

(10:50):
betting purpose. Those guys make a lot of money, right
the preessional athletes million dollars salaries, a million, multimillion dollar salaries,
So I am surprised that they have been willing or
we got themselves into those kinds of situations. I do
think again that there's going to be This is going
to in the long run, it's going to make people

(11:10):
think twice about getting into these types of situations. More
this stuff gets publicized, more they say, hey, this is
not worth it. We're trying to go out there and
fix a few games or whatever. So hopefully society will.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Start to adjust to the new atmosphere that we have
where gambling is everywhere, sports betting is everywhere, but you
still can do it responsibly and not you know, with
nefarious intentions.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, I think that makes sense now in short order,
because we appreciate you making time. David Bernin from espnschalk
with Sterling on the big one. I'm always curious about this,
the growth of the industry, and we've talked about it.
What is the dominoes of fallen state by state from
Ohio across the country. How have those numbers done in
the last six months to a year. Have we seen
continued growth? Are anything sort of abating with this or

(11:58):
is it just still all you know, full on gas go.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, it is still continuing to grow month after month
when the states report their numbers on how much is
wagered and how much the sports big wins. It continues
to grow, and now we have different sides of the
market where we got these prediction markets and those kind
of like a stock market for sports. Those are kind
of working outside of the traditional state by state regulations.

(12:23):
They say they're working under the CFTC, the federal guidelines
they're offering and there's a lot of money being traded
on sports outcomes and those things. So yeah, we're continuing
to grow, and we still do not have full legalization
in the biggest states Texas is in your California's. Once
those come on board, markets can almost double. So we're

(12:44):
not to the peak yet, but we're growing.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's pretty interesting, and you think about just overall with
the growth of it, it's astounding that it continues to
have all of this. I appreciate you doing what you do.
It's all was fascinating and I just you know, people
should be able to be free to bet and do
what they want, and you just hope it's all above board,
and I guess we'll see what the penalties are and

(13:10):
if things change. Thanks for making time. You can see
him everywhere now, especially and certainly hear him and read him.
ESPN Chalks David pergam Was Sterling on seven hundred WLUB.
You take care of yourself, managery the rest of your
weekend and thank.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
You, thank you you two night for a whole.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Lot of people. Seven hundred WLW Sterling Hanging, Joe Waddell Producing,
Matt Reese Wood News, Kevin Carr, Silver Gecko on the
substack with us as well house everything. Does it feel
like the weekend, do you? Kevin Carr, Well.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Finally, yeah, Yeah, that's what I've been waiting for the
whole time. Even write a song about it. Everyone's working
for the weekend. Come on, and you're working on the weekend.
What's going on? Man?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't know. It's just my life as I know it.
I look to you for guidance and help and assistance,
and all you're doing is rubbing my nose in and
I don't think I like it at all.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Well, I don't know. I'm just trying to get you
to better yourself.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I'm glad I'm trying so hard for so long. I'm trying.
I'm trying.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
I hear it.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I appreciate you making time as always.
Now I want to for those who are uninitiated, your
silver gecko on the substack, you were fat guys at
the movies. We've done the Chubby and Stick podcast, which
is still out there someplace. In some fashion. You do
other things. You do comics, you tell and write stories.

(14:30):
You will deliver stuff to people's inboxes a mailbox, not
in person. I mean, you don't work for the postal service,
but I mean that's what the silver gecko on the
substack is part of that.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yes, And I'm not going to deliver a package and
put it like right in front of the door so
you can't open the door either. That's it all comes virtually. Yeah,
the substack is basically it showcases some of the stuff
I do, which involves a weekly cartoon I do with
my son. They're very funny. You should check them out.
They're called the Blockheads. I do a short story flash
fiction less than ninety nine words and then or or

(15:01):
ninety nine words or less. I also do my movie
reviews on there, and I do excerpts from my stuff.
I've written books and anthologies and that sort of thing.
So there's a lot of stuff, and you know, even
chubbing Stick shows up there every now and then I've
dropped an episode or two into the feed for that.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Well, i'll have to talk off here about Like I said,
somebody asked me about that, about re releasing some of this,
so I don't know how that works, but we'll discuss
that at another time. What I am curious about also
is there was twenty eight days Later, there was twenty
eight weeks later. There was more than twenty eight weeks
between those releases. Then there was the twenty eight years later,

(15:38):
and that was a whole lot of weight. And then
now there's a new twenty eight years that the Bone Temple.
I don't understand what's going on now.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Well, well, okay, so like twenty eight Days Later was
essentially a lot of people call it a zombie movie.
Came out in two thousand and three. I think it's
not really a zombie movie as much as a it's
a virus that causes this rage effect in people, but
they act like zombies. Yeah, the best way to describe it. So, yeah,
it's a zombie movie even though they're not dead. And
that's what Twenty eight Days Later a brilliant movie by

(16:08):
Danny Boyle. You should check it out if you've not
seen it. Then a couple of years later they did
twenty eight weeks later, which was about them because it
takes place in the Scottish Highlands and they were able
to isolate it there, but it was then getting another
outbreak from that because they thought it was they figured
by this point all the all the quote unquote zombies
will have starved to death, but bad things happened. That

(16:31):
was not directed by Danny Boyle, and then he came
back just last year and did twenty eight years later,
and it's not quite twenty eight years from when they
made it, but it's pretty.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Close, which is really disturbing.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
By the way, I know, kind of terrifying. Yeah, it's
I think it's been what twenty two twenty three years,
so now in the twenty eight years later, it was
about this small commune that lives on this island off
the Scottish Highland coast and then kind of come back
into Scotland to try and find things, but they're dealing

(17:02):
with all these creatures in the woods and bad things happen.
And they did a sequel to it that sort of
fleshes out this story with some of the characters, one
of them played by Ray Fines and did essentially a sequel.
They must have had that thing queued up, because I
think twenty eight years later came out like in I
want to say, like August or July, and they had

(17:25):
this one ready to go this week. It's directed by
Nia da Costa, and she did movies like she did
a Candy Man reboot a couple of years ago, she
did the Marvels, And I know a lot of people
kind of turn the nose up at that, but that
you know that she was a hired gun for that one,
you know, doing doing a Marvel movie. But she's got
her roots in horror and disturbing stuff. So that's what

(17:48):
this twenty eight weeks or excuse me, twenty eight years later,
The Bone Temple is about. It follows this kid from
the previous film who ended up getting sort of rescued
in quotes by this satanic cult that believes that the
creatures are basically Satan's wrath on earth and they're doing

(18:08):
really bad things. And then they run into a fine
character from the first film, who's this doctor who looks
insane but he really knows what he's doing. And it
kind of fleshes out those stories very well done, But
let me tell you it's disturbing. It's a disturbing horror
movie through and through, and there's a lot of unpleasant stuff.

(18:28):
So I don't want you to think it's just, you know,
this lighthearted, this sort of horror movie romper even meant
to be tongue in cheek. It's not even like a
terror fier movie, which they can be violent, but they
can also be kind of silly at times. Know, this
one's deadly serious and it's not for the week of
stomach or the week of heart, let's just put it
that way. But it's well made.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Now comparabile. You're talking to Kemic Carr, by the way,
he is silver Gecko on Stubstack about this new Bone
Temple movie. The twenty eight years later sort of canuation
if you will. So is this the most disturbing of
the other twenty eight days weeks years movies?

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Well, well, certainly twenty eight days later and twenty eight
weeks later. We're both the bad guy was the zombies
so to speak to Yeah, that does with the bad
guys in this one and in a little bit of
the last. The most previous both twenty eight years later ones,
the bad guys are the humans that are left alive.

(19:30):
You know, you've got this satanic cult running around doing
really disturbing. I mean, I have a friend in New
York who was he was talking about there are people
walking out of the screening because it has some very
unpleasant stuff. You know, it just don't warn you.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's like that doesn't happen regularly.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
No, I mean it does, but it's like it's it's
kind of like sort of like the mainstream American horror. Yes,
it can be gory and grow, but it's in the
sort of a slasher sort of way. You know. No
one ever really took the Friday the Thirteenth movies or
Nightmare on Elm Street or Halloween movies as being anything

(20:11):
that's really kind of viscerally real. They're all kind of
cartoonish in their own way. This is, you know, very disturbing,
you know, and and I don't know if it's for everybody.
That would be my big caution for it, because I
was uncomfortable watching some of it because I'm just like, yeah,
I don't mean to see this. But it does pay off,
you know, as you get through the rest of the movie.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
All right, So it sounds actually interesting. I don't know
if I'm ready to be traumatized. How many movies do
you think have traumatized you over the years.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
Well, I mean it depends. I mean something like I've
always I've talked several times on this show about seeing
Invasion of the Body Snatchers that the kid that sticks
with you. But for me, what traumatizes me? And I
don't I'm using trauma pretty pretty loosely here. I'm not
going to war or anything like that. But something that
gets under your skin and it disturbs you. Usually it's

(21:04):
got to be something real. Gotta be something where somebody's
doing something really objectively harmful and being okay with it,
you know, And it's usually something real crimes. If you've
got a were wolf eeding somebody, I could watch that
all day, because I mean, we don't have wear.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Wolves that well.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Yeah, maybe there are, who knows, But but you know,
like like home Invasion things that those kind of things.
I'm not a big fan of those movies. I also,
and I gotta put this on the record, when somebody
says to me, I've had people say, oh, you should
see this movie. It's brutal, or you should see this movie.
It wrecked me, and I'm like, why do I want
to see that? Why don't I want to see a

(21:42):
movie that makes me feel awful. I'd rather watch something,
you know, fun or not uplifting. I'm not like trying
to say everything needs to be Mayberry movies, but you know,
you have some fun with it. I just I can't
stand the ones that it's just like, we just want
to make you cry and suffer for like two hours.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Like Human Centipede. There was nothing. I don't know if
there was anything positive about that movie other than it
was disturbing. I mean, I don't know how they got
that movie made, or though they made more than one
of those EP.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Well, first of all, it was like a European production
and Tom six did it, and I can't remember what
country he did in, but it was somewhere in Europe,
and it was at the time. This was when the
first Human Centipede came out. There was seems there seemed
to be this game going on with horror filmmakers's to
who could make the most disturbing movie. And for a

(22:32):
while there was Takashimi Iki's stuff like Ichi the Killer
or then they're they're doing. Then you had Martyrs coming out,
which was a French movie that's pretty intense. And then
and then Human Centipede's like, oh wait minute, and then
and then the Serbian films like Hold My Beer and
kind of topped everything off, and it kind of ended.
I can't even tell you on the radio what a

(22:55):
Serbian film is about. But it was so extreme in
order to be real, at least in America, they had
to make cuts to get an NC seventeen rating. That's
like the worst rating you could get. There's nothing higher
than that. But they wouldn't even grant it an NC
seventeen rating until they made some cuts.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Now to bring up the rating thing. By the way,
Kevin Carr silver Gecko on Substeck was sterling on the
big one. So the rating system, it's a very odd,
arbitrary sort of circumstance. Other countries have their own ratings thing.
I don't know how much of that plays into anything
that's streaming these days, because nothing has to be approved

(23:37):
for streaming, right, But it is about going to the
theater and having it projected on a screen in public.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Correct, Well, it's it's because it's part of the emotion
bigger Association of America the MPAA or the MPa I
think is what it's called now. That's sort of like
they in this in the seventies sometime they basically there
was always throughout the since the beginning a film, there
were people trying to ban certain films and trying to

(24:04):
restrict what can be played, and so the Motion Picture
Association basically made its own self governing thing where they
have these people watching it and then they'd self rate them.
There's no no legal or governmental in control in this.
It's just the people in who make the movies did it.
But you're right, that was so they could be released

(24:24):
in theaters and then they were sort of like granted,
oh it's a g rated thing, so most movie theaters
will play it and then play PG movies. Once you
started getting above R, which was originally X and then
became NC seventeen in the eighties or early nineties, that
was those are the ones that like certain theaters wouldn't
show because of like community standards. So it was it

(24:49):
was self in put on. And there are a lot
of movies that were released underneath it that just were unrated,
you know, movies like Cannibal Holocaust, or you know, like
last house on the left of those got got got
a rating because they just knew him. They just played
at independent movie houses and that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
And that was sort of the drawl in effect. I mean,
it was not drastically different than say the nineties, I
guess the late eighties when it became the parental advisory
sticker on CDs. If people can remember compact disc or
records or even tapes, I guess we're sort of going
away at that point.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
See, that was that was like think in the in
the nineties because it was it was Tipper Gore of
all people that was, oh yeah, that was spearheading that
as the second lady. So it would have been like
ninety two, ninety three, ninety four I think was when
that was going on. And of course there's a great
thing with Frank Zappa, that being he testified to Congress

(25:43):
about it. And of course Frank Zapper was he was smarter.
He was always the smartest guy in the room, and
he knew how to approach it and and and make
it look ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
D Snyder from Twisted Sister the same thing, and people
were sort of shocked to come in there looking like wackos. Oh,
these are hard rock guys. You don't know anything, and
they did. They they literally just shut the room up
because they made too much sense, which was kind of
nice and gratifying.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
So you're right streaming as no, there's no thing, and
like HBO, Well HBO was playing that game before, you know,
before really streaming came on, because they were doing it
with Game of Thrones. There's stuffing Game of Thrones that
you'd never get released in the movie theater.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
No, I'm still traumatized. Well, you know, a little bit
wholesome and innocent, don't you know? It was all for researchers.
All it's all h Is there anything else coming out
that we should be looking forward to besides what's already
out there? Now the twenty eight years later? Now Bone?
Uh what is it called Bone?

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Bone Temple?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Can't want to say Bone City or Bone Town, which
is something else. I don't know what that is, but
it just sounds bad. Bone Temple.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Just just go randomly start asking people, Hey, do you
want to go to Bone?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
No, I don't want to do. No, nothing good's gonna.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
Come for that.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
I dare you, I know, I know only if you're.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
With me with a phone to film it, and then
there's a high. There's nothing good. All that gets me
is probably like a conversation with law enforcement and a
weird posting someplace, and then I'll not be doing this
anymore on the weekend, but begging for change someplace or
I don't know what I'd be doing.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Look, it's a great way to get a room for
the night.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, something anyway for the night. Maybe I don't know
about a room, a code, a cot in anything coming.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (27:27):
By the way, somebody, my neighbor's kids, they tell me everything.
They're bringing Matta Gascar back. They're not redoing it, they're
just re releasing it. Is that? Is that accurate?

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Probably they've been doing that a lot. That's really been
a thing that they started doing. Well, they kind of
always have done it, but really during COVID, when you
weren't getting big movies, a lot of times, especially drive
ins would bring back old movies. And nowadays you'll see
that a lot where they'll they'll show a movie they
just want to get butts in the seat because the
theater doesn't care what you pay to get in. That

(27:59):
just goes the people own the film.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
They want to see, so you buy the.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Food, yeah, popcorn and drinks and all that kind of stuff.
That's why it's like like up in Columbus where I'm from,
they have the movie theaters that will show ow shoe games.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
And I'm sure there's places down in Cincinnati that show
like the Bearcat Game and the Bengals or whatever. And
it's just that you don't have to pay. You just
go in, but you got to buy beer, and that's
just fun.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I'm fine with that. I love the theater experience for
just about everything. I just wondered about the Madagascar thing
because that's been what fifteen twenty years, and that's a
window and that's isn't that about the time they start
remaking movies anyway?

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Well yeah, but I don't know how you remake Madagascar
and have it make look marginally different. I mean, Disney's
going through and making live action versions, and sometimes the
live action versions aren't quote because they did a quote
live action version of The Lion King, but right, there's
no photophotography in that. It was just all computer generated.

(28:59):
But they they're doing that. They got a new Majana
movie coming out that's the live action mawana.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
But but again, if you're doing Madagascar, I just know
they're going to bring it back, probably because it's it's
the anniversary of it. Yeah, and for kids who are
like six, if you're like five or six when that
movie came out and you loved it, me in your
twenties now, and that's what people do. I was telling
my son, I said, I'm running into people, you know,
women in their thirties with with like Pokemon tattoos, nice

(29:31):
and and you're like, yeah, that's that's the next thing
that's and then you're gonna in a couple of years
there's gonna be like eighty year old grannies. And they
got like, oh and there's there's balbasar, you know on
the tattooed on my arm. You know that kind of thing.
So it's always about what you watch when you're a kid.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's true. And these kids that from next door, I
mean I don't think they're middle school age maybe at best,
yet lower than that, So I mean they've clearly watched
or streamed it and they were just all excited telling
me about it. When I was out with the dog
the other day, I was like, well, I know who
to talk to about that.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
A lot of times, Yeah, because they get they catch
it on screen streaming. Because I believe that was a
DreamWorks movie. I don't know who the Ronzi writes to it,
but it's out there somewhere. Everyone wants the kid content
on there. But then you could go to the theater
and if you're a little kid and you've seen Madagascar
sixteen times and you drag your parents, and your parents
is gonna whoever, You're gonna hate yourself for it, but
you'll take them to go see Madagascar in our room

(30:26):
full of screaming kids. Those kids are not like, excuse me,
I need to listen to this because I've never seen it.
They've all seen it, yeah, like many times, and they're
all gonna be chearing for it.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
It'd be like us with pulp fiction or something. Yeah,
or maybe you imagine.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Going, yeah, going to a pulp fiction you know, revival movie.
That movie is what's thirty two years old, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Oh my god. Yeah, let's just stop talking about these
things now, because that's disturbing. I was only like eight
years old when that came out.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
I think, yeah, you were a little older than that.
At rue, you were not born in nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
No, no, no, I was. I think I was here
and then went to New Orleans in that window of
time that it was out, and then came back. So yeah,
I was grown.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
I was.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I was talking on the radio already, which is sick.
And yeah, I don't know what I've said, but hell,
I don't even know what I'm saying now except this
silver gecko on substack. Find Kevin Carr. He's there. Great
stuff to your mailbox. Always good to talk to you, man.
Enjoy the rest of your week in my best of
the family car.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
All right, thank you, We'll talk to you later.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
We'll see you later. Maybe you go check out that
twenty eight years later in the We'll see exactly how
disturbing it all plays out to be in the Bone Temple,
Quick break, Come Back, More to Do Mike d Wallspace
dot Com about astronauts coming back from the International Space
Station a little earlier than planned. Plus Donna Schleheck later
Professor Meredith from Wright State, former head of political Science,

(31:46):
talking about the Insurrection Act, what the tenth Amendment may
mean to the ongoing trials, tribulations, and combative nature of
stuff going on with ice, and to border patrol and
to people on the ground in Minneapolis, Saint Paul, and
well all over the country. Hang out more Sterling coming
up here seven hundred WULW. Well, the weekend's here. Sterling

(32:14):
back seven hundred WLW. About a week ago, there was
talk about illness on the International Space Station, so we
figured we'd reach out, and they've done. I don't think
it's something they've never done except maybe in the movies,
which is go up and retrieve some people on the
space station and bringing them back. Mike d wallspaceflight and
tech editor from space dot com. He's also the author

(32:35):
of out There, which is a scientific guide to alien life, antimatter,
human space travel for the cosmically curious. I'm one of those,
and it's good reading. Welcome back to the Big One.
How are you, Mike?

Speaker 7 (32:49):
Doing good? How are you?

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I'm doing okay. So this is a rare occurrence, right,
was it Crew eleven? I guess at the International Space Station?
They went and retrieved them and they just splashed back.
I think it was yesterday or the other day.

Speaker 7 (33:03):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah. It was like a six
month long SpaceX mission to the International Space Station. You know,
NASA contracted SpaceX to uh provide transportation for astronauts to
and from the International Space Station. And this this is
a mission that launched this past August. It was supposed
to be up for six months. You know, it's supposed
to come home like next month sometime. But like one

(33:25):
of the crew members we still don't know which one
because of medical privacy concerns, like suffered some sort of
ailments on orbit last just last week, and they quickly
decided they wanted to bring the whole crew home to
get it looked at on Earth. You know, where a doctor,
we have more doctors, we got, we got better equipment
to diagnose it and to treat it. And so yeah,

(33:45):
that just happened just a couple of days ago. They
came back everything that's fine apparently, and yeah, so and yeah,
yeah like it. Yeah, it was unprecedented. Nothing like this
has been done on the International Space Station ever, and
it's like twenty five years of astronaut occupy. So yeah,
it was. It was it was something that we hadn't
seen before.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Talking to Mike Wall from space dot Com, Stirling seven
hundred WLW so I think back to when I was
a little kid. It was towards the end days of
what was space Lab, and then came the Space Shuttle
and all of that and ferring people back and forth
and so forth, and the docking now with SpaceX and
all these other private entities that are sort of working
with NASA. It's kind of interesting, Mike. But the idea,

(34:25):
of course is I guess it's next month. The swing
around the Moon is expected with Artemis two. Is that right?

Speaker 7 (34:33):
Yeah, that's the plan. It's not officially targeted for next month.
Artemis two is the mission we're talking about, which we'll
send four astronauts like around the Moon. They aren't going
to orbit the Moon. They're not going to land. They
just do like a slingshot kind of trajectory around the
Moon and come back to Earth after about ten days.
But still it'll be the first Moon mission with astronauts
on board since Apollo seventeen back in nineteen do so.

(34:57):
So NASA's targeting sort of early February for that launch,
but that's like really tentative.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Right now.

Speaker 7 (35:03):
They're about to roll the Giant rocket out to the
launch pad. They're going to do that on Saturday, actually,
so take it from like the kind of high bay
where they stack the rocket and everything, roll it out
to the pad and do a bunch of tests, I
including like these fueling tests and all that stuff, and
if all that goes well, they could theoretically launch as
early as February sixth, but I don't I wouldn't expect that.

(35:25):
I think it'll probably take a little longer, and maybe
it'll March. It'll launch in maybe March or maybe April.
But yeah, we'll just on us have to wait and see.

Speaker 8 (35:33):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
One of the things that you know, we talked about
it before, you know, the need for clean up like
rumky waste up there to get space junk. We've talked
about the you know, the long term sort of idea
of going to Mars and in space travel and whether
there's a moon base or something else out there. The
question of health issues and how that's navigated by NASA

(35:54):
or whoever else internationally is involved in this. It gets
deep pretty fast because you can't only go and get
people who have a major health issue, so then you
have to start thinking about all those really sort of
I don't want to say cryptic, but sometimes dark movies
about what happens in space when someone gets sick or
has some type of problem. Do we know what their

(36:15):
plans are and how to work that moving ahead? And
I'm guessing this was an opportunity to learn a little
bit about how they might navigate and gate that in
the future too.

Speaker 7 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, and that, like it is a good question
people in I mean people like have asked NASA officials
that very question. You know, in the wake of this
problem that a nastronaut experience on the ISS, you know,
what does that make you think about Moon missions or
even going farther in the future, you know, I mean
NASA wants to send astronauts to Mars too, and then
not too distant future, So and that's even more risky,

(36:45):
right if you have some sort of health issue on
the way to Mars, it's like six months there and
six months back, you're not going to be able to
do like an evacuation really and come backtor So it
is something I don't think NASA has the answers to that.
They're certainly thinking about it, Like, I mean, maybe what
will end up happening as you launch, Like I don't know,
people with more medical training, maybe you have a crew

(37:06):
doctor on board all of these long term space missions.
If we're talking about future Moon missions, future Mars missions,
maybe every crew should have like one medical doctor on
board at the minimum. Like, I don't know, that's something
that we'll have to see going forward, don't. I don't
think NASA or its partners have the answers to that yet,
but they're certainly thinking about.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
It in the timeline. Talking to Mike Wall by the
way Spaceflight to and tech it or from space dot com,
Stirling on the big one, where are we in the
scheme of things in a timeline do you think of
our space exploration? I mean, you know, we still kindergarten,
first grade, We're not yet to high school. I mean
I don't know how to gauge it or compare. I
certainly you know the new Star Trek that's coming out,

(37:45):
and a lot of other stuff you can't necessarily compare.
But so much of what those types of sci fi
shows have brought science an interest in people that are
actually making the decisions and designing things that the future
will bring all So I'm just kind of curious where
you think we fit on that continuum.

Speaker 7 (38:04):
Yeah, I think we're still pretty early days now. Maybe
elementary school. If you're talking about if the if the
goal is to have I don't know, people living and
working off Earth in a in a real meaningful way,
then yeah, we're just getting started.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
You know.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
We like we went to the Moon with Apollo in
the late sixties, early seventies, but that that was just
flags and footprints, right. We didn't stay there. We didn't
I mean, we didn't build a base that yet. Again,
I'm not trying to actually minimize that accomplishment was a
huge achievement, but it was designed to just land there
and come home safely. It wasn't designed to build a
base or anything like that. That's what NASA and a

(38:38):
lot of other exploration kids are trying to do now.
That's what a lot of the world spacel community is
working toward, and we're just the early stages of that
trying to figure out.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
Yeah, and so that's what that's why these Artemist missions
coming up. I mean, this next one Artemist too, is
a big deal because it's going to show that astronauts
can safely ride on the Giant Moon rocket. NASA has
space launches to rocket and the Orion spacecraft, which is
what they'll ride to the Moon and back. It will
kind of it'll kind of certify those vehicles for ashnout
flights and then lay the foundation for Artemis three in

(39:10):
twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight, which will actually
land astronauts on the Moon, and if that goes well,
then NASA will work toward actually building a base near
the lunar South Pole where there's thought to be a
lot of water ice that astronauts could access and use
to drink and to make rocket fuel and all that stuff.
So we're but we're still we still haven't launched a
person to the Moon since the seventies, right, so we're

(39:31):
still we're still early days, and we're still testing out
the equipment that is supposed.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
To do that.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
So yeah, we we've got the know how, but we
just have to prove that we can do it on
a bigger scale in a more ambitious way, which is
what we're trying to do moving forward.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I love that term flags and footprints, because that's what
it was. I wasn't really laughing about like where we
were on the continue, I was just thinking about it
was like that's true. I think he had a golf
ball and then they bailed out. It's just sort of
the way it went. Do we know, Mike, about what
the Chinese did up there? Did they actually have people
on the Moon or was that just a sort of
a like a rover they're checking stuff out on the
supposed or so called dark side.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
They have launched a few robotic missions to the Moon.
Now China has and like include they are the first
country ever to put a rover down on the far
side of the Moon. But they also have ambitions to
put people on the Moon and to build a lunar base.
They've got this project with the Russians that wants to
do that in the mid twenty thirties, and they actually
want to put people down there by twenty thirty. That

(40:31):
their first astronauts on the Moon in four or five years,
which is pretty ambitious. But they've been making kind of
step wise progress toward it. So they're a legitimate threat
to kind of do it first, which is why you
hear a bunch of kind of moon race rhetoric coming
from our politicians and our kind of government officials and stuff.
I mean, there is this imperative in those circles to

(40:54):
do it before China does, to show that we're still
a top dog in space and all that stuff. This
is like kind of like a simple thing that NASA
and the US government are trying to do. But yeah,
I mean China is doing it more in the apollo
kind of manner where they're not their first missions are
going to be sort of Apollo like, they aren't doing
it in the sustainable way of our first missions are

(41:17):
going to start establishing a moon base, but they are
trying to build a base at some point in the
future too.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Mike Wallas from space dot com Spaceflight Editor Tech editor
was Stirling on seven hundred WLW. So that's interesting because
you mentioned the jockeing and posturing that's taking place politically,
but also the idea of strategizing for colony, colonizing for
one of a better way to describe it. And we're
talking about Greenland now, the threat of Russia and China

(41:46):
and how that deal may or may not go, whatever
is with that. I don't want to get political about it,
but it's really the same concept in space or even
at sea, especially as sort of all the big ice
is melting or they're in climate change and so forth,
whether it's jettising off this planet or anywhere else. It's
really the same game no matter what.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (42:08):
Yeah, and that sort of high season analogy is a
good one. That's why they say it's important for the
US to beat China back to the moon is because
whoever gets there first this time around and starts doing
things like scouting for resources and extracting resources and building
bases and stuff like that, they will get to kind
of set the procedures and the norms and the moon,

(42:28):
which are not very well laid out at this point
at all. So it will be kind of like a
high seas or a wild West sort of situation, is
what people are worried about. So whoever gets there first
has the chance to kind of set what will be
the norms of responsible behavior. That's what That's what kind
of military officials say, what government officials say here, and
we want to be that organization or that entity that

(42:51):
does that.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, it makes sense. What if I not ask in
relation to any of this or anything else that's worthy
of conversation when it comes to space stuff, because it
seems like every week there's a bunch of headlines, but
this has been, you know, a fast and heavy one,
because we're talking about people coming home who what are
planning on staying and it was obviously a health concern,
which is pretty wild.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
Yeah, those are the two big ones, you know that
the Crew eleven, that the medical evacuation base and the
Artemis two ramp up and them happening back to back.
I think those are the Yeah, those are the big things,
you know what In like, while NASA is getting is
trying to do the Artemis two ramp up, they're also
they're preparing it with with SpaceX to launch Crew twelve,

(43:32):
which are the replacements for the Crew eleven astronauts who
had to come home a month early. So, like that's
schedule to launch on February fifteenth, which means for the
next like month or so, there will only be three
people on the International Space Missing puting only one NASA astronauts.
That's kind of interesting too because the baseline crew level
up there is seven, so they're going to be a
real skeleton crew for the next like month or so,

(43:53):
which is kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
What do they do up there with that base crew
you say, of six or seven compared to this three?
I mean, I know, the size of it is not
I mean, what's it comparable to here size wise as
far as modules for residential I guess a living or
functioning because they're up there working, they're not just kicking
back watching Netflix.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
I'm guessing yeah, it's got about as much living area
as like a five bedroom house, I believe, is what
NASA says. And most of what the astronauts are doing
up there, in addition to the routine maintenance stuff, is
like scientific experiments, you know, doing a lot of studies
of how plants, like how seeds germinate in microgravity, like

(44:33):
how radiation affects like some bacteria and other single celled
organisms or mice and rats and stuff like that. There's
always a bunch of stuff like that going on, or
working to figure out how you can manufacture certain things
in microgravity. There are all these all these experiments that
go up there with each crew or each each cargo
ship because there so what's going to happen with the
three person crew is some of that experimental work. They're

(44:56):
going to be able to devote as much time to
the experiments, obviously, because the the crew of three has
to perform like the baseline maintenance stuff and just to
make sure everything's working fine. That's not something you can
skip on right. So with fewer people up there, that
just means there won't be as much time for the
astronauts to do some of the science work. And it
also means that they won't be able to do any

(45:17):
spacewalks really on the American side, because there's only one
NASA astronaut, and you don't do a spacewalk with one person.
There are always two person affairs for safety reasons. So
that's just another thing that they'll have to wait to do.
They actually had planned to do two spacewalks this month,
but those were canceled after the medical thing kind of
popped up with the crew eleven astronaut.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, that took priority for sure. Now the other thing
I want to just before we let you hop and
I appreciate you and make it a time for us
here on the Friday Night Stirling with Mike Wall from
space dot Com. I know you've got some hoops action
with little one the young Wall shortly, so we appreciate it.
The Starlink satellite thing, which I think I actually saw

(45:58):
in the sky for the first time, maybe at a
week ago, give or take, which was pretty wild. I'd
seen it on video, but never in person. It was
a pretty interesting thing just for about the ten minutes
or less that I actually got to see it, sort
of moved through it, but it caame top of mind
again obviously with Iran and the government shutting down internet
and so forth, which is pretty standard in a lot

(46:19):
of places when war happens, either the enemy does it
or even I guess you know, a tyrant type of
government scenario, whatever you want to describe that as. But
they opened up Starlink for people to be able to
have access to get information and share it. How regularly
and how available are those star links to people just

(46:40):
in general? I mean you got to buy some you know,
like hardware gear for that. It's not like you can
just dial into it from your laptop of your phone,
I'm guessing. But what a great thing to be able
to do for people that would have been isolated otherwise.

Speaker 7 (46:53):
Yeah, you like, you have to buy a subscription, you
have to buy buy like a terminal from SpaceX to
be able to receive all the signals the Starlink satellite
send down. And they're almost ten thousand of them up
there now, and they they it's much less. It's it's
it's much harder to deprive your citizens of Internet if
it's coming from space obviously, then if it's like being

(47:14):
broadcast from towers here on Earth, so or fibers or whatever.
You can cut fibers, you can, you can go disable
the tower. But it is much harder for for like
a sovereign nation or an organization of some sort to
stop signals coming down from space. It's not it's it's
not impossible. You you actually can jam signals coming back
from space in the microwave spectrum, which like I think

(47:37):
Iran has been trying to do that with starlink and
maybe and may have even succeeded to some degree, Like
not sure what the most strustworthy accounts about that are,
but but I know Iran has been trying to do
that to keep the citizens in the dark, even from starlink.
So it's not like one hundred percent foolproof, but it's
much much harder to keep to cut those systems down

(47:57):
than the ground based systems.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
It's pretty wild because in the news, of course we've
heard about those cables in the ocean that have been
gouged and more than once actually, and then now this,
and then you start thinking about those flights that we
don't necessarily know that are dark from our military, and
who knows what our enemies are doing up there too.
It all goes back to that again. You think you're
safe down here and here you're not up there. There's
something else going on. It gets deep and it does fast. Mike, Well,

(48:22):
thank you for doing what you do, and space dot
Com is always a great resource. Appreciate you being here
for us. I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Speaker 7 (48:29):
Yeah, Ma, it's always good to talk to you too.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Thank you. Man the author of out There, Scientific Guide
to Alien Life, Antimatter, and Human Space Travel for the
cosmically curious. That's it, out There, Spaceflight Tech editor Mike
Wall I can read sometimes, it's just I don't have
my glasses. Enjoy yourself. Thanks for making time. Enjoy the weekend.
More Sterling coming back seven hundred WLW. Well, there's no

(48:55):
werewolf out there that I know of, but there is
some snow in the tri State, mostly to the southeast
of the city, with some accumulations expected overnight. It's still
above freezing, so it's that weird thing where you can
see it come down and hopefully won't stick, although my
dog will be excited to play in some more snow
sooner than later. How you doing Friday sterling? A couple
of minutes away your ten thirty report. I believe Matt

(49:17):
Reese is tagging out. We'll see who tags in. Not
quite yet sure. I got to win to Windo a hallway,
so I don't know yet. We'll find out together after
eleven o'clock. Doctor Donna schleg former had political science, now
professor Meredith from Wright State gonna join us talk a
little bit about Minnesota. Apparently there's been a judge that's
come out in order that ICE is gonna have to

(49:39):
curb some of their actions in and around the Twin Cities.
Not sure what the details on that are. We'll talk
to her. Also about the Tenth Amendment. Is Minneapolis, or
at least the state of Minnesota, I should say, as
well as Illinois, are talking about Tenth Amendment issues, which
is limiting powers of the federal government in the state.
How that comes in play. And of course President Trump

(50:02):
has talked about the Insurrection Act and how that may
move ahead if necessary, to sort of put more boots
on the ground literally and figuratively of our military. In
and around the Twin Cities, which I don't know that
anybody really wants that, so we'll talk to her about
that later on. Also, David Purdin from ESPN shalt conversation
we had about the NCAA hoops scandal that later on,

(50:26):
and on the other side something else. I'm wondering if
you can think back to your youth unless you're a
kid now, and I'm wondering what the first really big
news story that you can remember from being a kid
that's stuck with you. I can think of one now
that had to do with the US hostages in Iran

(50:47):
when I was a tiny sterling, and I think that's
like the first news thing that I can really vividly recall.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
That.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Maybe the bi centennial, which of course we're looking at
two fifty for the US come July as well being celebrated,
so we'll get into that. On the other side, your
chance to get interactive. It's a Friday Sterling Nation Station
Reds Fest this weekend convention Center and a whole lot
of fun. A lot of people heading home right about
now from that here seven HUNDREDU wulw. Hey, how you

(51:17):
doing Sterling? Hanging out? Fine? Friday night, The weekend is
here Nation Station. What you're listening to? Seven hundred WLW.
Joe Waddell producing, keeping me in line on time. Travis
Laird getting interactive too as he was closing up that newscast,
because right there I sort of teased a head to
what I want to do here. We got a little
bit of time to play a little bit before Doctor

(51:39):
dot Schlek joins just former head of political science at
Right State. She's a cincinnatikuid talking about the latest in
Minneapolis Saint Paul, as well as the talk of the
insurrection at tent Amendment issues being discussed, as well as
continued issues with the whole immigration thing in politics. And
it's a lot going on in the world right now,

(51:59):
which then leads me to something else asides from the
NCAA basketball hoops point shaving scandal too. David Purdham from
ESPN Chalk, who's been all over TV. I was up
late last night and flipping around in the news and
streaming ABC News. It was like two or three in
the morning. All of a sudden, I hear a familiar
voice from down the halls. I'm running around the house

(52:21):
and I'm like I know that guy, What the hell's
going on? That's Dave Purdham and he was on ABC
talking about what we're going to discuss a little bit
later on, which is the issue with the point shaving
and betting and the business of betting, because that's what
he covers for ESPN chalk. So that's coming up at
eleven thirty five. It's big news. A lot of people

(52:41):
headed home right now from Reds Fast downtown and the
just open kicking the door wide open to a new
era with the convention Center downtown. A lot of Reds fans,
you know, sort of thinking about well, the future and
maybe some news stories of note, which for some I
was talking talking to a buddy of mine earlier today

(53:01):
about this. I was saying, like, first news events that
might stick in your head, I might resonate. We talked sports,
he mentioned Big Red Machine. He's a little bit older
than me. It was right in the middle of his
early part of his teenage years, and it was totally like,
that's the first news thing that he can remember, and
it was sports related and REGs related. And then I

(53:24):
can remember and there's two things that stick out news related.
One the bi centennial in the Freedom Train that I
got to hop a boy with my Grandma Betty to
sort of look at the history of this nation when
I was a tiny kid. And then the other thing
that sticks out glaringly was the Iran hostages thing that
was in the news on a regular basis. I'd come
home from school, I'd watched the news, and the Nightline

(53:46):
happened as a result of that, which is still on
the air today. So I'm wondering, what is the first
news story could be sports, but big news event that
you can remember in general, whether asuming probably for most
of us from our childhood or otherwise. Five one three
seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred The Big One.

(54:06):
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(54:28):
The Big One to Xenia Paul his first first big
news event that sticks out that you can remember as
a kid or otherwise, Paul, you're with Sterling on the
Big One. Thanks for holding what's up.

Speaker 9 (54:38):
The first big news event that I really remember, and
I brought everyone to their knees crying, was President Roosevelt
FDR dying. So nineteen forty five.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
So if you don't mind, how old of a man
are you that you can actually remember hearing the news
of that, because it was a different world at that point.

Speaker 9 (55:02):
I'm eighty seven and I was born in thirty eight,
so I was seven years old and my dad listened
religiously to the Big One WLW and whio out of
Dayton Coaghetti's.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Nude, that's right, And so you heard that as it
went down. See, I can't imagine the closest thing. And
it was a presidential memory to me, now that you
think you mentioned that, I can remember. I took a
bus to the doctor's office as a kid, and I
had to go in and get like an allergy shot.
And then I got out of the office and I
was waiting for the bus, and it was an odd

(55:38):
thing that the bus driver was out having a cigarette
and there were some other people waiting to hop on
the bus, and they had the radio one which was
on the Big One, which of course is now where
we're having our conversation, Paul. And it was when Reagan
had been shot and he was sheet white. I was
sort of traumatized. I'm a little kid in the thought
of having the president the you know, gravely entered, perhaps

(56:02):
dying or otherwise. It was crazy. I can't imagine you
at seven the same type of feeling with Roosevelt.

Speaker 9 (56:08):
Well, I remember vividly hanging on to my dad because
he was a news hound. He was interested in anything
that the world news. He tried to go join up
in the military to fight the Japanese the day after
Pearl Harbor, and he was rejected because he had flat
feet and hemorrhoids. But he was a true patriots sterling.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I do believe that flat feet I have. I don't
think I have the roids, but I didn't realize the
roids to keep you out of of the military. But
at least he was here in state safe and was
there to provide and take care of the family. Paul,
thank you for listening to being a part of the show.

Speaker 8 (56:47):
Oh.

Speaker 9 (56:47):
I listened faithfully to wlwi's my all time favorite radio station.
I go way back with the Reds to nineteen thirty nine,
Ernie Lombardi and Frank McCormick, Bucky Walters, Paul Dringer and
uh So Wider. And I'm a true Cincinnati Reds baseball
fan and here lately Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Absolutely, I appreciate that. Paul, Thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
It was good to talk to you. That's tremendous, quite
a bit of history. Wondering what the first news story
that you can remember is from your childhood or otherwise.
That resonated. And I mean, and he talked about Rusevelt
it and hearing it the president that passed away. I
mean that that'll shake you, that'll mess with you.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
You know.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
It's one of those things that Joe Waddell's producing the show.
Authier just mentioned to me a minute ago. I don't
know if you wants to do this on the air
or not, but I'll mention it. If you want to
crack the MICU feel free to do whatever you want
to do. But he mentioned that he thinks that it
was when the was it the shuttle? No, what was it?
You just said just a minute nine to eleven, right, Yeah,
So I think he mentioned his first real memory of

(57:50):
news was when nine eleven happened in two thousand and one,
which immediately makes me feel like I'm a little long
in the tooth, because I was working on the radio
in Collogembus at the time. I had left here and
taken the night show at our sister station WTVN in Columbus,
where I worked with my good buddy Corpy and a
bunch of other people. And I can vividly remember that

(58:11):
happening and the thing that shook me after, aside from
just the nature of what went down in how all
of our lives have changed, and in this case Joe Waddell,
all he knows is the issue of invasions of privacy
and giving up our freedoms and the Patriot Act and
everything else that subsequently followed for all of our supposed

(58:33):
safety getting into our prefer real business. And I can remember,
aside from the event itself happening, what really grabbed me
and resonated in and did even meet a day you
could hear a lot of freight trains right where I
lived in Columbus, and you could hear Port Columbus. Now
I think it's John Glenn Airport, but at the time.
It was Port Columbus. Just like around cveg. You would

(58:54):
notice this too, or lunken. They shut down trains and
playing across this nation. And it was one of the
most eerie, oddly uncomfortable, uncertain times that I can remember
ever in my life, because we did not know what
was happening with New York or Pennsylvania or the Pentagon

(59:15):
or the future of the world as we knew it.
And I'd never heard the silence without trains or planes
in the sky, and for a few days there was
none other than military aircraft. It was unreal, is what
it was. Five point three seven four nine seven, eight hundred,
the big one. Let's get to some calls here, first
memory of something newsworthy that grabbed you and hell you

(59:37):
held you as a kid to Newport. Rob and Sue
and Terry and Tommy and Rick will get as many
on as we can here before the news coming up
at eleven. What's up, Rob, appreciate you holding sure?

Speaker 6 (59:48):
Hey, Thanks thanks for taking my call. Hey real quick,
I know you've got a lot of callers.

Speaker 8 (59:53):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
May eighth, nineteen seventy seven. I was eight years old
and I can still VIVI the pictures will never leave
my mind. Was the Beverly Hills diner fire.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
All the supper club.

Speaker 6 (01:00:09):
Yeah, yeah, supper club fire. We got, we got. We
were on our way home from eating out, and they
had stopped traffic and we were right there at the
bottom of the hill in twenty seven just watching watching
it go up in flames. And there's some things that
would you know, would rather not talk about that I
saw on the air that that really stuck with me

(01:00:32):
and will never ever forget that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
No, absolutely not. I totally understand it. I'm guessing you
were a fairly young man at the time.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Yeah, eight years old.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Yeah, so, I mean you're like a third grader at
that point. I can remember, we're not drastically different in age.
And my grandmother and it sounds weird to say this,
but her boyfriend, because she had one at the time,
and yeah, they would regularly go to the Beverly Hills
and so my mom, I remember, was freaking out. I
had no idea what was going on. But then they
were trying to track down my grandmother to see if

(01:01:01):
they had actually gone, because you know, they were there randomly.
Thank god they were not. And a lot of other people,
of course never made it out, which was just horrific.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
Right, Yeah, it was pretty say day here locally, but
it got it got national attention though I do remember that.
But yeah, mom and dad lost quite a few friends
that night.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
It's a it's a terrible thing, and I mean it
sticks with all of rob. I appreciate the comment, thank
you for sharing that, and yeah, I mean it made
national news and because I mean there were people came
to work there, I mean performers, entertainers at Beverly Hills
supper Club from all over the big, big name artist
on a regular basis, and a lot of people didn't
come home from that. Just devastating Covington. Sue was sterling

(01:01:49):
on the big one too, from ky back to back,
What do you Go? What do you know?

Speaker 10 (01:01:51):
Sue?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Was the first news that resonates with you as a
memory from your kid in childhood.

Speaker 11 (01:01:57):
Well, I'm my mother and I had gone to and
when Chester, Kentucky, when I was eight years so I
was born the same year your first caller was Okay,
And I remember sitting in the movie theater and all
of a sudden hearing all sorts of car horns blowing outside,
and my mother said.

Speaker 10 (01:02:15):
The war is over.

Speaker 11 (01:02:16):
Oh yeah, and my father was there overseas.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
That had to just be such a fantastic thing because
you knew obviously at that point you would think Dad's okay,
Dad's coming home soon, and yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I really had didn't think about that until I
was sitting here listening to some of the others. But
that really is the first major thing I remember hearing.
Plus the Beverly Hills. I had been in the zebra
room at a retirement party two weeks before the fire.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
Oh wow, and that sticks with you. I can remember
my grandmother telling me about it. I was very interested.
After I didn't really understand. I was like going to
Beverly Hills, like the Beverly Hill, but at least where
are you people going? And then of course after that
I found out like the rest of us. So thank
you for sharing and always appreciate you listening to being
a part of the show. To Walden, holy crap, it's
three and ky back to back to back, Terry at

(01:03:08):
your turf with Sterling on the big one. First memory
of a news event from your youth?

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Okay, so I was eight years old in second grade
and I can remember them coming over the loud speaker
at school on November twenty second of sixty three and
telling us all that John F. Kennedy, President Kennedy had
been shot. Oh wow, and you know we were just eight.

Speaker 10 (01:03:37):
Years old, like, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
And then as you know, it was on TV for
days and days of course. But yeah, that's the first
one I remember. But in addition to the Beverly Hills,
when I was twenty one, I was at the Red
Dog Saloon in Sharonville and we were listening to a
comedian named Ron Stewart, and they came. They came out

(01:04:03):
and said at intermission and said he won't be back.
His wife st the Beverly Hills and uh, you know,
it's it's on fire.

Speaker 10 (01:04:12):
She she was okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
But the odd thing was I was a manager of
Eagle Savings and I had tellers that were there at
a banquet and in another part. But you know, I'm
saying I had two people down there that I was
scared to death that they were that they you know,
we're going to be harmed, but they made it. They

(01:04:34):
made it safe too. I'm glad that those are the
two big ones.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah, and those are monumental. I mean it really is, Harry.
I appreciate the call. Thank you for listening to being
a part of the show. I appreciate it. I mean
that'll shake you. And I remember just here overhearing my
grandmother talk about that with the Beverly Hills, and she
and they were there regularly for one type of even
or a show or another. And even after all this time,
I mean a lot of connections, a lot of people

(01:04:59):
still really to that. De Heartwell and Tommy was Sterling
on the Big One. Appreciate you holding. What's the first
news event that sticks out to you in your memory?

Speaker 10 (01:05:07):
Sure, Sterling Well, prior caller has had the same news event, however,
November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. But I was in
first grade and I came home from Madisonville School. I
didn't hear it on a laudspeaker. My mother told me
about it and the TV was on, and I remember
the few ensuing days. I can remember little John saluting,

(01:05:33):
you know, saluting as far as casket in the parade
and all that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, that was
an amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Time, very unusual and unsettling times, and a lot of
unknown people think in the world's upside down and some
of the people and right now feel in the same
way and how we are too. Hopefully nothing quite as
severe as that type of event making news anytime soon, Tommy.
I appreciate the call me and thanks for listening. I
hope you call back. All right, good enough, take care
of yourself. To Dallas and rick it's been a minute.

(01:06:00):
Ricky was sterling on the Big One. What do you have?

Speaker 8 (01:06:03):
How you I was six years old, yeah, Nightete sixty? Yes, right,
I can remember when Kennedy won that election.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Oh wow.

Speaker 8 (01:06:15):
And I can also remember I actually saw, uh I
was all get shot on TV live. I saw it
live a black white or television.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
What was that like? Because I've seen video of that
and anyone who's watched, you know, documentaries about it or
even watching The mad Men Show, where they, you know,
did such a great job generationally showing where we were
as a world at a certain window of time as
a period piece, and the way it affected people when
that went down, describing it watching it the way you did.

(01:06:47):
But as a young man, what did that do to you?
I mean, that's an insane thing to see.

Speaker 8 (01:06:52):
Yeah, I looked at it, you know, first I didn't
realize what I just saw. And I say this because
uh uh, you know Jack Ruby. So he jumped out
of it. He came out of the corner and he
pulled the gun. He put he stepped the gun in
his reel bay, squeeze the trigger, and it looked unreal.

(01:07:13):
You said, Well, did I was that real? You know,
that's the first thing I thought. I said, Oh, that
guy really shot that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
You know, I can't imagine. And as jaded as we
all are now and we're used to seeing things happen
almost instantaneously, it is somewhat bewildering to me, you know,
to imagine what it must have been like at that
point as a young person to see something like that.
I mean, the whole world turned upside down.

Speaker 10 (01:07:35):
Rick.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
It's always good to talk to you. Me and I
hate to be brief, but I got a bounce. We'll
give these a final two here a minute or so
each and then uh, we'll stop for news. You're eleven
o'clock reporting. Doctor Donald Schlet going to join us with
some insights in the Minneapolis situation and so much else
going on too Loveland. Joe and then e J was
sterling on the big one. Joe, what do you have
what's your first memory of newsworthy stuff from your youth?

Speaker 5 (01:07:59):
Jab gay?

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yeah, you all right?

Speaker 12 (01:08:03):
And I was in great spurn.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Yeah, just got you at the wrong time. I got
you a lot of people deal over, big deal, no
big deal.

Speaker 10 (01:08:12):
No I'm not sick.

Speaker 12 (01:08:14):
Okay, just a little four twenty A little four twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Oh, I saw, I got you a little attitude adjustment
here after ten o'clock.

Speaker 12 (01:08:21):
Oh, you know, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I was on hold for a while, but I understand.

Speaker 12 (01:08:24):
I too, was in great school when JFK got shot.
And I remember Beverly Hill supper Club. My grandma lived
over on Warren Court and we could see it from
her house on the hill.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Oh wow.

Speaker 12 (01:08:36):
He was right about twenty seven, so that's wild. I mean,
that's childhood. But I was born in fifty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
So gotcha. It's interesting to hear that sort of separation
decade by decade and what sort of resonates and sticks
with people. Joe, I appreciate the call men. Thank you.
Hope the rest of your night and your weekend goes well.
To appreciate you. Listening uh to west Elton, I think
or west Ellis with E J with Sterling on the
big one, final one here before the break, h new
story that sticks out from your youth. We're like, oh, okay,

(01:09:03):
I can remember that because it's usually something monumental that
grabs us. Hey, Sarny, Hey, what do you happen?

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
This is this is EJ.

Speaker 13 (01:09:13):
I want to say EJ from meeting, but it's basically
Westellitton somewhere else now but Watergate Watergate to me, And
the reason is the Nixon thing. Watergate in the seventies.
Remember that. Oh yeah, yeah water Nixon. Okay, And anyway,
we had a creek down a street on Wolf Road
in the West Alex Treble County that we used to

(01:09:37):
swim in all the time. I'm like ten years old
or something like that. And down the creek about I
don't know, uh, I don't know, half a mile or
something like that quarter mile, there used to be a
gate that some guy had cows or some farmer had cows,
and he had a gate he put across the creek
so the cows could walk across the creek. I'm trying
to make get this fast anyway, and it flood they

(01:10:00):
would open up the water gate. So what warses gateaway?
And I used to come home from school or whatever
and see this nix is my mom and dad be
watching Nixon on TV. The order Gate scam, so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
You thought it was about that and the Gattle getting
across the I totally believe you. That's the best DJ.
I hate to be brief. That's tremendous. I totally get it,
and I haven't matured much more than that in my
experience either. Straight away, you're eleven o'clock report, doctor Donas
Schleg joins me on the other side. Appreciate you being here.

(01:10:33):
Friday night Home of the Red Sterling seven hundredu WLW,
Cincinnati Final hour together this fine Friday night, the full
on weekend is upon us Sterling hanging out. Appreciate you
being here too, seven hundred WLW. What you're listening to?
Later on conversation with David bring the pain Purdam about

(01:10:53):
all the NCAA basketball points, shaving scandal stuff, and more
conversation with him after the eleven third report on the line.
Right now, former head of political science. She's a Cincinnati
kid Wright State University professor, Amerida. Now with me, it's
doctor Donna Schleck. Welcome back to the Big One. Seven
hundred WLW. How's everything with you, Hi, Sterlin.

Speaker 14 (01:11:16):
It's been quite a crazy week. All is well here?
You know, we're gearing up for a serious weekend of
some football. Yes, and I'm shocked. I'm shocked that there's
point shaving happening, legalized gambling. What could go wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Well, you know, sometimes people get a little greedy and
some people want an unfair advantage and they'll grease some
problems to get it. Hopefully they'll get it all cleaned up.
That's the hope, right, I mean, we want integrity in that,
like we do in just about everything else.

Speaker 14 (01:11:47):
Hopefully it'll be our government at work for us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Yeah, speaking of which, go ahead, I'm sorry, go ahead, No.

Speaker 14 (01:11:54):
I'm looking forward to our conversation. Where would you like
to start?

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Well, you know, there is so much going on, but
I think right now the headline of headlines is that
they're ongoing protest on the ground and tussles with engagements
that have gotten quite violent and led to one shooting
of missus Good who has left her partner behind, her
wife and some kids. That's being investigated. There have been

(01:12:20):
questions about that it has taken a more serious turn
subsequent to it. If that's even possible another shooting with
someone apparently trying to evade allegedly Ice and Border patrol.
This continues to go on. The President dangled out the
idea of the Insurrection Act, and then of course Governor Walls,

(01:12:40):
tim Wall's former vice presidential candidate, and the mayor of
Minneapolis Fry apparently it talked about the idea of the
tenth Amendment. Same thing in the state of Illinois. Can
you explain Tenth Amendment issues surrounding policing on the ground
in a state compared to say, DC in the federal level,

(01:13:00):
and them getting involved because of the call about Insurrection
Act is also a fairly serious step.

Speaker 14 (01:13:08):
It is. And even before we get there, a judge
just ruled tonight, a district judge telling Ice they may
not pepper spray or use tear gas against the protesters,
and she also reiterated that they may not be detained. Now, obviously,
if you interfere with operations, that's a different matter. But

(01:13:30):
but but the protection of these individuals, and this goes
to the authority who you know, who will have authority here.
It's such an interesting ongoing conversation. Here we are at
a States Rights argument. Uh, And you know, so many
cases have been argued already abortions for example, who who

(01:13:51):
will make the rules about transgender athletes? States rights? States rights?
And we're coming down to a states rights argument as well,
as you also may have noted earlier, the mayor and
the governor have been subpoened looking into the corruption case
in terms of all the public spending. So they filed

(01:14:14):
three or four motions, you know, trying to go at
the federal operation from a number of different angles. Are
they going to get emergency attention to it? I don't
think so. My question tonight is where is this going?
And is there any chance that someone, somehow we will

(01:14:36):
be able to de escalate the situation. And how did
Obama manage to arrest and deport five million people during
his presidency without demonstrations like this?

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Yeah? Well what happened then? Because I don't know that
a lot of people doctor Schliheck were paying attention except
people that were directly involved with that. So what is
the difference? I mean, the President Obama stayed a fairly
low profile with it at the time. President Trump, of course,
has made this effectively a pillar or a lynchpin in
his presidency and effectively that helped get him re elected.

Speaker 14 (01:15:16):
A lot of the arrests under Obama were at the border.
What they avoided doing was going into homes and places
of business. Right, does this sound familiar a little bit?
It's it definitely should. The story out of Minneapolis today
was dining in a in a in a Somali restaurant

(01:15:36):
and then arresting the workers afterwards. But to come back
to your question about the Tenth Amendment, it's it is
a question about who will have jurisdiction, who will have authority,
And you know, the Tenth Amendment leaves you know, a

(01:15:57):
lot to the states, right, But this is a federal
immigration case. You see the problem and the expectation is
I don't think it's a very strong argument. It's federal immigration.
These are federal authorities. The judge who ruled today about
the treatment of the protesters said, you know, you may

(01:16:19):
not arrest if you don't have documentation. You may not
arrest you know, citizens, certainly unless they are interfering with
your operation. But Minnesota is asking the courts to, you know,
to rule on a case of states rights and state authority.

(01:16:41):
I'm not particularly persuaded. I don't think most people hearing
the argument would be it's our immigration problems, our border issue. Customs.
Immigration are federal in scope. They happen to be focused
in Minneapolis right now. But I think it's one of those,

(01:17:02):
you know, very very slender case. They've got a couple
of other arguments that they are making before the justices
right now. I share your concern though about the Insurrection Act.
We have to go back to Rodney King. I know
you're not old enough to remember Rodney King nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Oh, that's very funny.

Speaker 14 (01:17:24):
I followed it. You do remember them somewhat, at least
you've seen stories. And the state had to ask the
said to come in, so that's that is the standard.
But when you read the Insurrection Acts, it's short, it's vague,
it's broad, and who has the power to declare it?

(01:17:45):
One person, the President, under what conditions the ones that
he that he cites, So he has incredibly broad authority
and it's not invoked often. Is this a Rodney King situation?
The irony, of course, is that Minneapolis and twenty twenty
dealt with riot's protests having to do with George Floyd.

(01:18:09):
Correct Another one of those weird coincidences in this case.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Yeah, it's very troubling. I can remember the Rodney King
thing and how that related. I can remember being on
the air at Tui and Dayton, which is a rock
station for those who don't know, and the TV on
and looking up and seeing that white Bronco being chased
slowly on the five I believe is what it was
in southern California in the midst of all that subsequent

(01:18:34):
to it, with the OJ thing and everything else, sort
of in and around that whole window of time where
all kinds of weird stuff was happening, seemingly.

Speaker 14 (01:18:44):
The slow motion car chase, yeah right, yeah, correct on
the interstate in California. This is before the age of
drones as well, but with helicopter coverage. So to come
back to Minneapolis, local state authority basically overwhelmed right now,
just by the two or three thousand person delegation that's

(01:19:08):
that's been sent up there. The mobilization of communities and
citizen groups is something that I've been interested to watch.
You know, the communication networks, it's usually just a WhatsApp
chat or a text and distribution of whistles, right, but
a lot of the people who are protesting is this

(01:19:29):
is not all blue haired and middle aged white ladies
out there protesting as well. The community solidarity is something
that I think is is being demonstrated, whether it is
the late night protests at the federal facility, but the
way citizens alert neighbors when they think ICE might be

(01:19:50):
in the neighborhood. It's toughened public response despite as you said,
one death and at least one one shooting. But the
public doesn't seem to be in a mood to back down.
And of course, in situations like this, who de escalates?

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Well, and that's who was the question?

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
How?

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
How how does this back off in a situation like this,
Doctor O'dona Schlechts, the former head of political science at
right stage, she's not Professor Meredith was sterling on the
Big One talking about what's going on in the Twin Cities, Minneapolis,
Saint Paul, Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
So in a.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Situation like this and the you know, interfering with ice
border patrol agencies they go about their work. There has
been questioned about how involved Minneapolis police or Saint Paul
police have been allowed to be involved. We know that
they were shut out of this investigation around MS Goods
killing and how that played out in the talk of

(01:20:49):
absolute immunity, which I think has a lot of people rankled,
regardless of political ideology. To the idea that somehow there
is no check in balance for law enforcement on the street,
federal level, or otherwise is somewhat suspect. I think, where
is the line as far as interfering with these people
doing their work, and what I mean by that is

(01:21:09):
showing up as a crowd, filming them from a distance,
not engaging, not physically interfering. Where is the line there
of what's acceptable and not. I know they're teaching people
some of this, but we've seen a lot of these
protesters cross that line and engage physically. And some of
the border patroll or ICE agents also seemingly quite aggressive

(01:21:29):
in making some type of point with the protesters as well.

Speaker 14 (01:21:34):
Boy, you know, these conversations are so painful. I mean,
this is Ohio, right, We had a can state situation
here ourselves. It's it's it's it's very troubling. The level
of organization seems to be sporadic. You know, it's the Internet,
it's it's what app The neighborhood groups show up when

(01:21:54):
when they're alerted that there is ice there. But the
judge ruled today that you have a right uh to film,
you have a right to observe uh and and not
be impeded uh in that you have a right, she said,
to even follow, but not obstruct, not obstruct their vehicles
if you're in traffic, but the moment there is obstruction,

(01:22:17):
then the rules will change if you begin interfering. And
of course that's when things get messy, really messy, with
a lot of people who may never have been UH
trained to deal with crowd control under circumstances in which
you know, the hostility I suspect is quite palpable people.
You know, the agents know that they're not welcome, and

(01:22:39):
they're being filmed uh in incredible stress on the people
who've been sent there, And a lot of questions have
been raised about their training and fairly, but a lot
more questions have been raised about the lack of an
investigation into the death of an American citizen. Well, true,
I'm sorry, we don't want to we don't want to
let that one go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Yeah, no, when we shouldn't, I mean, all the way around,
you want it to be investigated and open in the
daylight for everyone to see, so that you know, it's
just bewildering where we are right now. I don't think honestly,
and I'm a fairly independent minded person and more of
a libertarian, but I don't think anybody wants law enforcement

(01:23:24):
around doing the job without being identified. I don't think
most people are happy at a time when you see
around the world news stories of marauding gangs, be it
enforcers for other regimes and other countries that we talk
about as being our enemy or needing our help to

(01:23:45):
help get them freedom and law enforcement on the streets
from regard, and I have friends in law enforcement. This
is not an anti law enforcement rant, but the idea
that you can have law enforcement with firepower, with authority
and immune unity, not necessarily always identifying themselves face is
covered showing up in the middle of the night while

(01:24:07):
you're on the job or at a school, regardless of
the threat of docsing asking for people's papers to identify
themselves to prove that you're a US citizen. A lot
of people say, you know what, that's infringing upon my
rights in my liberties, and who are they to ask
me anything that's a tough place to be in.

Speaker 14 (01:24:27):
I think that sentiment that it's gone too far is
being reflected very very clearly in some of the recent
polling that we see not necessarily objecting to the removal
of illegals.

Speaker 10 (01:24:41):
Oh.

Speaker 14 (01:24:41):
The judges order tonight made it very plain you have
a right to ask officers to identify themselves under what
authority are they acting? You have a right to ask
for a badge number. Her order will be a good
checklist of instructions about rights that you do enjoy if
it comes to a confrontation. But your point about being

(01:25:04):
asked to prove your citizenship, that should chill Americans. You know,
you've not had to carry your identification papers in this
country since probably World War Two. That one is deeply
troubling to people's center left and right. You know, the

(01:25:25):
when you empower law enforcement, you arm them, you train them,
there has to be there have to be rules, and
there has to be accountability.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
It puts them there needs to be and I think
most of the people that I know that are in
law enforcement and first responders, et cetera, they will agree
with that. And you put them in a really uncomfortable,
compromised position in this but a lot of what we've seen,
and it's hard if you're in that day after day
getting yelled at it, and you know, whistles blown and

(01:25:55):
in your face and saying all kinds of hateful stuff
as you're trying to go about your work. And you
know they need to be professional and let that roll
off of them as they try to go about it.
But it's a very disconcerting circumstance in which we're living.
It's an odd disc.

Speaker 14 (01:26:14):
And law enforcement in Minneapolis and in the states Minnesota
have been put in an even worse position. You know
that they've been pushed aside. But when there's an emergency
and you think ICE or someone is breaking you down
your front door, they call the local police.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Right, so then they one and if they're not already
there working in concert with ICE, in the Border Patrol
and whatever other federal agency alphabet soup is there, whether
they're openly identifiable or not, which sometimes they're not, Which
is the problem that I have because if somebody just
rolls up to me while I'm driving down Montgomery Road
or anywhere else in the tri State, and they may

(01:26:50):
have blinking lights, but I don't know who the hell
they are, and they're not you know, labeled as you know,
state trooper, County sheriff, Cincinnati Police, Daton Police, whatever else
it is is I'm going to be very very much
lacking in my willingness to engage them. The only difference
is when they you know, they have firepower that they
put in your face to show you they can end you.

(01:27:11):
Which things get pretty serious. Whether it's a criminal or
a cop trying to do their job. It's a bad,
bad situation that we're navigating right now. I don't know
the way about it. Curling, I wish I did skirling.

Speaker 14 (01:27:22):
How much trust has been lost and been eroded in
this process? Yes, I think being skeptical of authority, that's
an American tradition, you know, being asked to, you know,
say what is your authority?

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Why are you here?

Speaker 14 (01:27:37):
You know, do you have paperwork? Do you have an
arrest warrant? That that's every American's right. Those through the guidelines.
We expect law enforcement to abide by the specific rules
about masks. A couple of recent cases have tried to
strike down local rules against that. That one will be
litigated probably long after you know, this situation has been resolved.

(01:28:01):
But that fundamental trust that law enforcement needs, and that
the police in Minneapolis have been working their tales off
since the George Floyd situation in twenty twenty to try
to rebuild in the community. And it is just it's
a law enforcement disaster across the board.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
I hope that this does not escalate. I'm in some
ways surprised that it has not gotten worse sooner as
this has moved on. And obviously a lot of it's
made for TV, made for soundbites, made to deliberately instill
fear and to polarize people. It's just the nature of
I guess, the business of politic today. But it's troubling
on the streets of this country. It shouldn't be that way,

(01:28:43):
in my opinion. I wish we had more time, but
we're out of it. Thank you for doing what you
do and making time so late. I know you got
a lot going on. Professor Meredith from Wright State former
had a political science She is a Cincinnati kid. Doctor
Dona schleg thank you so much for doing what you
do and giving us some time on the big one.

Speaker 14 (01:28:58):
Good night, Sterling.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
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