3-22-26 Sunday Sterling

Sterling talks with Dr. Michael Gaies about how AI is changing medical technology, Mike D. Wall about meteorite debris in Ohio, and Kevin Carr about the new movie Project Hail Mary.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to it.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's a beautiful Sunday afternoon, feels like baseball summer weather
in the desert. They'll be getting it on a little
later and we'll get you ready forward take you to
it on a Sunday Stirling seven hundred WLW Lots of
ground to cover, Mikey Wallaspace dot com talk about satellite
vulnerabilities and the dangers up there, and hunting meteorite in

(00:22):
Ohio and more. Plus we got Kevin Carr talking project
Hail Mary and in a moment on the line from
Cincinnati Children's Hospital, barring he's actually on the job today.
The division director of Pediator Cardiology is also the executive
director of the Heart Institute. Kinders about Sam mccaplan, Chair
Cardiology Cincinnati Children's Hospital. Doctor Mayas Gas is with us

(00:46):
and talking a little bit about AI, and first of all,
welcome to seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
How are you, sir.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
I'm wonderful.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Appreciate you making time, especially on a Sunday workday. So
much talk about AI in the news is about okay,
it'll allow you to be creative, it's coming for your job,
it's running more and issues of privacy and concern, and
we're all scared, But the reality is, in a lot
of ways, it's making life a lot easier and perhaps

(01:15):
safer and healthier. Doctor Gase, I'm kind of curious when
it comes to artificial intelligence, how has it changed the
patient experience and outcome at Cincinnati Children's and in general
as we start seeing the good that can come from
artificial intelligence.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, that's a great question, and I would say, first
of all, I'm not sure we've seen nearly the impact
that it's likely to have over the next five to
ten years. Many of us believe that we're actually further
behind the medicine and healthcare more widely than maybe the
other industries that were trying to catch up a little bit. Certainly,

(01:55):
it had great potential, you know, the ability of eye
agents to quickly take in a lot of information, summarize it,
and you know, actually probably start to influence decision making.
It's certainly out there. We're experimenting with it in a
lot of ways. One to help us see patterns and

(02:17):
data that we can't see ourselves. So I work most
of my career in pediatric car after and security units.
There's a lot of data through all the time. Some
of it we look at it, we process that we
know what to do with it. There's probably some answers
in the data that we can't even see with the
human eye or the the human brain can process. And

(02:38):
so those are great opportunities to use our official intelligence
can make us wiser than we are today.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
There's other go ahead, no no, no, please.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
No, And I would say that there's other basic, you know,
ways that the data can summarize information for us in
the electronic medical records, you know, and provide us insights
quickly that help us take care patients. It can help
patients understand their health data that's improving communication between healthcare
providers and patients. So I think there's a lot of

(03:11):
ways that we're going to have to learn to apply
it here, you know, so that we're getting all the
good things and kind avoiding some of the from.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
The kitfalls talking to doctor Michael gay sas he's from
Cincinnati Children's Hospital about AI and how it's changing medicine, diagnostics,
patient care outcomes and so forth. Here with Stirling on
seven hundred WLW. So at this point when it comes
to teaching in doctors early on the job, nurses the

(03:38):
interaction with them. I remember the it was probably a
middle nineties the first time I had a doctor walk
into a patient room and sat down with me with
a laptop and started talking about sharing records and communication
from one doctor to another, to the pharmacy and being
able to quickly be able to look and analyze different
points of interest when it comes to diagnosis and treatment.

(04:02):
How have you seen that change here in short order,
even though it is early in the stages of AI
coming into your world.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, I think especially young clinicians, whether the doctors or nurses,
of probably learning on the fly how to use AI
to summarize the relevant science or guidelines around care and
can pretty quickly get the answers to questions about how

(04:32):
to treat a condition that maybe they're seeing for one
of the first times in their career. So that's an
obvious application that kind of mitigate experience issues, you know,
as new providers come into the profession. You're talking about,
you know, the actual interaction between doctors and patients and

(04:53):
nisus and patients, And I think this is one of
the places that A probably helps us a lot today.
Right now, AI can record from stations and trans for
that information into a note that a physician is writing,
and so that's a really, you know, kind of great
step forward in the sense that it gives a physician

(05:14):
and the opportunity to sit and talk with the patient
rather looking at a lack of of supporting the information
as they go along. I've had that same experience with
my doctor, and I think those are the kind of
really that's the low hanging griefs that can help a
patient experience be better, better transition information that are lists them,

(05:34):
and a better relationship with their healthcare providers.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Talking to doctor Michael gas Is, Cincinnati Children's Hospital Division
Director or Pediatric Cardiology about artificial intelligence and how it's
changing what he does and what patients see with their
kids and grown ups for that matter too in the
midst of diagnosis. I've seen stuff a number of different
stories and AI experts talking with other physicians and so forth,

(06:00):
and they talk about the idea of looking at different
tests and how you can work and have complementing what
experience you have at eyeballing, maybe some type of scan
or something along those lines, something that's on the margins
maybe where you're not sure it's able to help you
and you perhaps to provide some type of a direction

(06:21):
for the AI. How have you seen that implemented at
this point? How far along is it in your world,
if at all, I would.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Say it's not far along in our particular specialty, though
certainly we're looking at how AI can help with the
interpretation of basic test like an electro cardiogram or EKG
or cardiac ulturesound echocardiagreem. There's certainly a great opportunity to

(06:54):
apply AI to interpreting those types of tests. I think
basic radiologic study is that CT scans. I think that's
where we're going to see AI probably make the quickest
advances in aiding human beings and interpretation, perhaps even being
better at basics than human beings in some cases. So

(07:18):
this is really I think what we have to figure
out is what can AI do alone? What can AI
do that helps and even experience clinician interpret a difficult
to interpret tests, and where is AI likely to be
quite inferior to an experienced commission But I think even

(07:38):
if it can do the basic stuff well and on
its own, like if we get to that point, then
the experience clinish and spends more time on the really
difficult station and have more time to spend on it,
and you get a big clinician more time on a
difficult case, and you're likely going to be able to
do better, you know, for the patient over the long haul.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Doctor Michael Days is the executive and co director of
the Heart Institute, also the Kindervelt Samuel Kaplan Chair Curtiology,
Cincinnati Children's Hospital, talking to Sterling on seven hundred WLW
about changes in patient care outcomes and so forth with
AI and otherwise, I'm kind of curious in a world
where we've seen such great advances in medicine and detection

(08:22):
and treatment of cancers, and we know so much in
general about treating ourselves better so that we can live
longer and have a better quality of life. Doing what
you do, working primarily with children, though with their parents
also obviously in concert. Have you seen more education in
knowledgeable parents coming in in relation to that understanding of

(08:45):
what could be bothering their kid. I remember just watching
my pseudo niece and nephews and my cousin's kids and
so forth, and I am so hyper sensitive and paranoid
about something being wrong with them, and going to web
MD a lot of us all signs lead to cancer.
I can't imagine having a newborn kid who might have
a problem, and how out of control I would be
with the technology we have in coming and pestering someone

(09:08):
like you.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, we don't look at ours testering. We appreciate when
our patients are informed. And sometimes we get kids a
very complex heart derease, you know, even before the birth
of a child, and the families do an incredible job
of educating themselves about the disease, the outcomes of different treatments,

(09:34):
and you can engage in a really good discussion about,
you know, why we might take option A versus option
B versus option see in that regard, I think the
amount of information to project for families and fantastic. I
love having conversations with families about that. Sometimes they don't
have all the information that we have, and that's why,
you know, there needs to be sort of that keep

(09:56):
discussion about, you know why what they've learned maybe different
from what we know. But overall, I think families being
informed is a very good thing. Now I do worry about,
you know, the use of AI to you know, make
diagnose the self diagnosed, not just for parents of children
with complex medicale commissions. But you know other folks out there,

(10:18):
you know, we'd have to know that it's really really
good before we have a society should start trusting it.
And you know, like anything, if there's usually adoption of
it before it's you know, quite fit for primetime. And
you know that has some newlye potential negative consequentials for
the people in the community. So it's our job as

(10:39):
a medical community to try to educate what we can
and can't be used for and hopefully at leads a
really good conversations between patients and the providers.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Hopefully bringing more positive outcomes. Doctor Michael gais with Sterling
seven hundred w l W. He is a Division director
Pediatric Cardiology, University as or somebody Cincinnati Children's Hospital. Is
we we look at where we are today, with all
the knowledge, all the technology, everything that we have, why
do you think that we still are not healthier? We

(11:08):
hear about underserved communities, We hear of is it just
a human condition where we don't always necessarily make the
right choices even though we have information to that can
better direct us. Just us being sort of slow on
the uptake or what.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I don't want to get over my skis here
as cardiologist, but you know, I'm a member of the
community at large. I read a lot. Uh Hey, there's
a lot of things that we can't control as health,
as healthcare providers and as a profession you know, income
and equalities, housing, feed scarcity. See, there are all things

(11:50):
that people on the data day bases and their health
even outside of the stage. We always get smarter than medicine.
We're really good at treating the We can do things
today that we can do you know twenty thirty years ago,
and that's going to be true twenty and thirty years
from now. But if we don't fit some of the

(12:10):
things detail our society and that affects human beings on
the day to day basis, things and cause stress and anxiety,
you know, things that cause people to have too mutish
or not in that exerciety. These are the things that
are going to affect the public health and doctors and
nurses who are working in a hostale or office can't

(12:31):
affect that. Even though we know what affects tectations.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
What's the first thing that you would say that could
better care of children just in general? I mean a diet,
sleep shelter love. I mean, these are all basic questions
that I think probably all of us need to answer
for ourselves, and we could do better with. But I mean,
you see people who are in crisis mode of one
type or another dealing with kids with hard issues cardiac,

(12:59):
you know, issues and so forth, and they're so small
and so fragile that I mean, it's devastating to think
that it's it's you know, a baby or something along
those lines.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, I think you're exactly right and that things are
you mentioned. I mean again, we're he's never been better
at treating the diseases that children face and will only
get better at it. But you know, those kids are
going back out in the communities where they face a
lot of barriers in some cases, and that ship from

(13:33):
family to families. So for the kids who you know,
have medical conditions that we can obviously identify, yeah, bringing
to the hospital, bringing to the office, you're so good
at that, and they're getting better and artificial telling something
that will hope to make it better at their job.
But for those kids who are out there who don't
have a disease or a medical condition, you know, yeah,

(13:56):
they need good education, they need good too. They need
good housing and they need their parents, you know, or
their other family members, the semi and that give them
the attention and the you mentioned they need community, need friends.
They probably do that they have social media. So yeah,
there's a lot of stuff that happens that kind of

(14:16):
doctor's opportunities for hospitals.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
But really, what you pope, final question, because we're short
on time and it sounds like you may not be
busy other than talking to me as you wait for
your next call, but it sounds like the place is
getting busier and it's not a pool.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
He is at Cincinnati Children's Hospital.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Doctor Michael Gase was stirling on seven hundred WLW Final
thought here on artificial intelligence and doing what you do
is a Division director of Pediatric Cardiology, executive co director
of the Herd Institute as well as the Kindervelt Samuel
Captain Chair Cardiology Cincinnati Children's Hospital. On a day and
day out basis and what you've see in the future,

(14:52):
what have I not asked about artificial intelligence care of
kids and with parents and what you do with Cincinnati Children's.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Well, I think the biggest question that probably faces us,
one of the biggest questions to face us as a
medical community is how do we take the good of
artificial intelligence, use it to make us better at the
job we do every day, and educate you know, our

(15:24):
patients on what it's good for and what it's not.
And then I think we have to understand how much
people in our community and our patients and families will
trust artificial intelligence. You know, hopefully they're still going to
trust the medical providers that they see, and when artificial

(15:45):
intelligence can do better than the average provider and we
want to utilize it, we have to let the public
know that we're using artificial intelligence and this is why
they should trust it. And I don't think we know
yet whether there's going to be more or less or
the same trust with artificial intelligence as there is you
know for medical providers, positions and nurses today. So we

(16:09):
really have to figure that out. You know, communicating with
the public is a big part of what we do,
communicating individually and communicating with society at large, and so
we've got to be responsible about telling them what we
know what it can do and engaging in that conversation.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I really appreciate what you do your world renowned at
Cincinnati Children's Hospital and keeping kids from here, there and
across effectively planet Earth at times healthy with more positive outcomes.
So thank you for bringing your insights in your perspective.
Michael Gays from Cincinnati Children's Hospital. Hopefully we can do
this against her.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Appreciate you having me.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Take care of yourself. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
More sterling, coming back, your chance to get interactive to
lots of ground to cover Mighty Wallspace dot Com. Later,
Kevin Carr talking movies, Hail Mary, the project to go
to well to save us, It's what we're all trying
to do. It's sterling seven hundred WLW. All right, So
if you're looking to get out of town, there are
still people heading out to go to spring break.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
How you like those lines?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
If you've been on the road for work or trying
to go play someplace, or something along those lines, it's
a Sunday sterling seven hundred WLW. Glad you're along, you know,
unless you've been hiding under a rock completely unplugged, had
a blunt head trauma in rehab or otherwise, I don't know,
dazed and confused or something along those lines, you're probably

(17:29):
quite aware that there are some issues with the government
shutdown in part and issues with TSA, and now that
the idea is to put ICE agents in airports starting
tomorrow Monday as people hit the road for the work week,
and maybe to play a little bit whatever else is
going on in the midst of this funding so called
impass shut down, whatever it is with the Department of

(17:51):
Homeland Security, some funds, A huge number of dollars is
already in place and being spent, obviously to go after
illegal immigration issues and everything else. I just simply ask this,
if it can speed you up, if for some reason
our lawmakers in DC can't get together in a deal

(18:12):
to at least handle paying people that keep us safe
and aircraft in the air and people moving and commerce going,
since their heads are obviously far up their backsides, if
it takes the president to put ICE in the airport
and keep stuff going, are you okay with that? I mean,

(18:34):
I'm just curious. I haven't had to deal with the
long lines. I have just been hanging around here in
the Tri State. I know Donnad my partner in crime
here oftentimes, so travels a lot. She's had that nightmare.
She talked a little bit about it yesterdays she was
flying solo as I am today. I just want to
know and I don't if can you take politics out

(18:55):
of it and just maybe it's impossible, But if you
just look at the eye idea of moving people through airports,
they're talking about shutting down airports there. You know that's
a major problem. You got people working TSA who haven't
been getting paid in weeks. I don't know about you
can you go without a month's pay or more? Most

(19:17):
people are paid check away from going to the free
store food bank. There's a whole lot of people already
dealing with food bank and hunger issues and insecurity and
everything else. Five pet three seven four nine seven tho
eight hundred, the big one. You pick up the phone,
you give it the finger, talk back, the iHeartRadio app.
It's a Sunday sterling. I just I try to make
sense of this. If they can't pay the people that

(19:38):
are trained to handle what speeds people through security process
and the you know, the idea that we are safe
and secure and checking our shoes and walking through the
the sniffer machine and to them seeing our private parts,
hoping that obviously they don't find anything that might be
a danger or a threat. You're looking to get on vacation,

(20:00):
you're looking to go someplace for work, you got a meeting, whatever,
and you got to you go. Instead of an hour
early or two hours early, they're saying, well, maybe three
or four hours early. Maybe you'll get your flight. Maybe
maybe not. We'll see what happens. That's a hassle, that's time,
that's money. You know, that's going to take a lot
of people. Probably. And I heard this idea floated. It

(20:21):
was yesterday, and I wish I could recall who I
was watching, and they were saying, well, maybe people should
just stay home who don't have to fly anywhere. Okay, Well,
I think maybe for a lot of people, you know,
who are taking care of business, there might be some
more remote work and remote meetings rather than dealing with

(20:42):
some of the travel stuff. I'm just wondering, is it
somehow a combative nightmare scenario? If you can get through
the airport quicker, right, I don't care if there are
guys with machine guns there or something else. If you've
flown out of the country in the past, if you

(21:02):
were around and old enough to remember flying after nine
to eleven and seeing a military or National Guard in
our airports or flying as I have other places other
parts of the world, even just to go scuba diving
and hang out in Mexico. I remember the first time
seeing it. Other than like going to Canada, you'd see

(21:23):
some military or serious border patrol from time to time
when I would go up there to go fishing with
friends or whatever. But I can tell you getting off
that plane and Cosmo and into the airport and these
guys with you know, machine guns and so forth, it
was a quick look of Okay, that's a little unnerving,
and it has been years ago now, and then I

(21:43):
was kind of like, well, I'm probably all right. I
figure they're trying to keep things cool, trying to keep
things calm, trying to keep things safe. All I got
to do is get to my rental car and find
a beach and you know, handle my business. So if
in fact there's a you know, ice there or whatever ever,
who obviously could be doing other things, what's the matter,

(22:06):
you know. I mean, it would make sense that somehow
they could figure out how to pay the TSA people,
but you know, lawmakers can't get together and do that.
I don't care what party this is about.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Safety.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
This is about security and something way beyond that. Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,
eight hundred. The big one to Mason and Jim to
get a going. Are you okay with TSA agents and
not getting paid and maybe putting ice in there starting
tomorrow as if that may be somehow gonna get lawmakers
to figure out how to handle budgeting.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Hello, Yeah, Jim, it's your turn.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Oh, I'm sorry, I heard it.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
I've got two things.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
Number One, I think the last time this shutdown happened,
and the people that stayed on the job and stuck
stuck with it for America, I think I think the
government rewarded them with a ten thousand dollars bonus. If
I'm not it's not wrong on that, but I believe
that's what happened. So if I was a TSA agent, I'd.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Go ahead and work through it.

Speaker 6 (23:05):
And know that I was going to get a bonus
at the end of this thing and be proud that
I contributed to America, even though the clowns up in Washington,
d C. Obviously don't care a damn about the people,
whether which to party, which part, whichever party you're talking about.

(23:26):
And then Number two. I hear people complaining about the
gas prices in America, they ought to take a look
at some documentaries that are on PBS and other stations
about what the Ukrainian people are going through as far
as food, gas and everything else, and.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
They might want to just run it out a.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Little bit.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
For America's sake. That's that's what I have sterling.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
All right, So again to answer the question that I asked, though,
are you okay with ICE going into the airports? Because
I think part of the funding thing is they weren't
happy with the way ICE had been funded and dealt
with as far as their management wanted changes. So they're
talking about putting them in airports, which I think is
hilariously ironic. But are you okay with them going in there?
Do you think they'll speed stuff up, make things worse

(24:18):
or is it all posturing?

Speaker 1 (24:19):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
Well, if it catch twenty two, I think no matter
what happens, it's going to be bad. It's going to
be bad for Trump no matter what from the other side.
But also, when they put them in the airport, they
either got to train them somewhat or they got to

(24:41):
do just security jobs, and that I'm okay with that,
because anything anything to make America safe and to get
the lines moving in that. But I can tell you this,
if something happens where they if they put them screening
or anything with not very much training, some plane goes
down because of some terrorist thing, there's.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Gonna be hell to play.

Speaker 8 (25:05):
They're gonna be hell to pay for Trump in that regard.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
There you Goo, Jim. I appreciate the comment. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred the
big one. So you know, here we are in a
situation where flights delayed, all kinds of headaches.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I mean, it's kind of old news.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's a beautiful Sunday afternoon, and I kind of like,
do I want to talk about this? Is this really
something going on? But I've had neighbors reach out to me,
tell me about trips and headaches and travel, and it's
something that one way or the other we all have
to deal with. And then the of course, he mentioned
the price of gas, which in short orders a little
bit different than Ukraine, and now we're sort of, you know,

(25:39):
putting them in more dire straits too. There's a lot
of layers to this, a lot of other stuff to
get to I'm kind of curious. There's something else going on,
and this happened in Columbus and it's gotten a good
bit of attention. And I don't know about you, but
I like the idea of less government. I like the
idea of government out of your life. I like the

(26:00):
idea a government out of my life. I like the
idea of just handling your business, paying your taxes, going
about your day, and having nobody bother you at all
whatsoever until you're bothering someone else in the news. Now,
apparently a bill floated in Columbus, and I don't know
how legit of an option this is going to be

(26:20):
to actually get someplace. Uh, but with the idea of
monitoring women's pregnancies and basically documenting it, reporting it to
the state when a woman is pregnant at some point,
and then having them forcibly go in to be checked
so often aside from their regular prenatal care otherwise, it

(26:42):
just seems super intrusive.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Respectfully.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Uh, there's already issues, you know, in limitations when it
comes to the idea of caring for kids and making
sure that you know that window of time for any
abortion is limited in what type of options are there,
and a woman's right and so forth to go with it.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
We got kids that are hungry here, we got kids
who don't get the medical care here that they should
already living, breathing children. And you want to follow around
and get into women's uterus and start looking into their
personal business. It seems intrusive, it seems over top. I'd
love to hear from some women on this. I mean,
how because I've not been pregnant, I've not carried kids.

(27:24):
I like practicing like I'm going to make some children,
but that's a whole nother story. But I've never ended
up putting a baby in a woman. No swollen with
joy situation for me, and no tiny sterling since I
was small. So but I'm curious, how much do you
want the government in your body paying attention to you,

(27:44):
having you go to the doctor. And I should have
asked the good doctor from Cincinnati Children's about this as well.
I'm kind of curious of all the stuff that docs
have to worry about, of all the other stuff that's
on their plate in providing patient care and making sure
that you know women, or getting the medicines they need
the nutrition they need to be able to, you know,
bring a new bouncing baby into these world, hopefully healthy

(28:08):
and happy with a great future. I'm just wondering, you
want the government getting involved in that before the baby's
actually even here yet, you know you're gonna go and
who's gonna do? Oh she should be thus far all,
it just seems really intrusive and over the top. And
I'm not a woman, I'm a dude thinking about women

(28:28):
in their rights. It just seems over the top. It
seems very like big brotherish, seems very unconservative. It just
it seems very like communist, It seems very like socialist.
It seems very I don't even know what to call it,
except the sickness. I don't need my neighbor. One of
them is pregnant, and I want them to have a healthy,

(28:50):
happy baby and a good life. But I don't need
somebody from the state of Ohio or somebody else coming
in to examine the baby beyond them going to the doctor.
I'm just guessing because nobody's gonna them necessarily free care
in general and over the top care, and once the
babies hear what good luck? Wish you the best, hope,
it works out. Sorry, your baby's hungry? Sorry your baby?

(29:12):
What where's the line? Five one, three, seven, four nine,
eight hundred, the big one. Maybe maybe I'm getting too
deep into this, Maybe maybe it's me, but it just
seems that that's between a woman and her husband, boyfriend, whatever,
their doctor in getting the care they need. Now you're
gonna check exactly how far along the gestation is and

(29:33):
how they're going and making sure they're getting a care. Yeah,
I trust the government for that. I really, I really do.
Like I want to hear from a woman about this,
right I do. Because you bring us into the world.
You care for us as our mothers. You are our
sisters and our aunts and our daughters for those of

(29:57):
us lucky enough to have children, U and the idea
you are everything to us. It just seems to the
point of uh, I mean so, yeah, it's just bizarre
to me. It really is all up in somebody's business.

(30:17):
Where is the line? Seriously, let's get to Larry and
Brian and your chance to get interactive and no women
on the the you know, checking the uterus in baby
development by the State of Ohio. Yeah, five one, three seven,
the big one. You need baby police I guess is
what it is, just going from one pediatric care facility

(30:40):
to another. We're just gonna make a home, you know. Stop, hey,
excuse me. We just need to make sure everything's are right.
Can we measure your belly? Can we get up in
there see how stuff's going. Huh, Larry, you're with Sterling
on seven hundred WLW hey man? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Well, first of all, Democrats said the American people aren't
their first priority, it's illegal immigrants.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
And second, when the state of State of Union.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
Speech, President Trump said, if you think your first duty
is to protect American people, stand up, and they who.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Cares about standing up in that? I mean, seriously, dude,
keep going.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
But well, let's move on.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
I didn't call about that. I called about the government shutdown.
It is because the Democrats do not want to find ice.
They do not want to deport people. Uh do we
see a pattern here? They don't want to deport people,
They want wide open borders, and they don't want to
show citizenship or proof of ID to vote.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Are we getting the picture here?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, Larry.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
First of all, Larry, Larry, you're misstating the facts. That's
the problem. You're misstating facts. No, no, Larry, wait a minute,
and I'm not going to argue you misstate facts. Democrats
want a secure border the same way Republicans do.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
No, and the border is secure.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
This is about budgeting and taking care of TSA, and
they should be taken care of. And the idea of
how Ice was handled up in the Twin Cities and
elsewhere leading into this was clearly a show of force
and to try to be over the top. And they've
tried to fix that too. Obviously, the girl is gone
and they got a new guy in charge, working with
Homan under him. So I don't buy the whole Democrat

(32:18):
Republican crap in standing up somehow. If that's a matter
of support, I think is just also juvenile and ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
It means nothing. It's a show. I could be wrong,
but they do.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Republican Democrat hold hands, kiss, go make love, have a cocktail.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Pay these people to get our flights moving as they
should be and handle America's business and get out of
woman's vaginas and uterus trying to follow their birth or
gestation periods in Ohio. These I mean people are not
five point three seven four nine, eight hundred the Big One,
and I want to hear from women on the whole
thing too. Brian, it's your turn than Tom and others

(32:57):
here before we get beyond this. What's going on?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Brian? Thanks you with Sterling on the Big One.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
Hey, Sterling, So I worked with tsa police officer. I'm
a police officer and these people are salt of the
earth doing a unwelcome job.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
People treat them like crap.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I've seen people yell at them and throw stuff out
of their bags on the floor because they were unhappy.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I mean, people get stupid.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
Yes, the issue is largely the major airports. Like if
you're flying from a regional airport Toledo, connecting to Atlanta
and then headed off to New York City, you're not
gonna have a problem with the Toledo flight and that
first leg of the flight. The problem is when you

(33:44):
try to come back from a major city. If you're
accessing a major city, that's when you're going to start
seeing the lions. The regional airports Dayton, Toledo, the smaller airports,
they're operating very efficiently, even still so just to as
swash fears about people trying to travel from smaller regional airports.

(34:04):
You're going to generally make your flights normal travel times.
It's when you try to access the large airports. If
you're going to start in Atlanta and try to get
to Dayton, good luck. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the issue.
So we do need to take care of these people,
and we have to take care of the Jadishu.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I appreciate the call, Brian, Thank you, Tom, Donnie, others
coming up. We got news straight away. You're one o'clock report,
latest on what's going on around planet Earth or Ron
and elsewhere it matters to us to the Tri States
space stuff with Mike wall after one thirty. Also Kevin
Carr talking movie stuff all before the Reds getting on
in the desert in this serious heat as we're pretty
steamy here, feeling like summer on the Home of the

(34:44):
Reds with Sterling seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati. All right, So
I touched on this earlier. I am mystified by this,
and I understand the goodwill in part, but how involved
do you want the government in you and your family's
life when it comes to babies. I'm just kind of curious.
House Bill seven fifty four in Columbus. I don't want

(35:06):
to get wonky. I mean I'm in a bit of
a nerd that way, But Representative of Jeanie Schmidt Lublin
Republican wants to require medical professionals to fire a certificate
of life within ten days of detection of a fetal heartbeat.
Right now, current state low only requires that if there's
a burst certificate, in other words, they've delivered the baby

(35:29):
live and then there's a certificate. It also would require
death be registered with space to list whether it was
induced abortion, spontaneous miscarriage, or still birth. And a lot
of women deal with miscarriages and so forth too, and
that's a fairly traumatizing thing. I've known a few people
that have navigated those waters and it's hard in the

(35:51):
best of circumstances. Right now, Ohio at this point require
a twenty week window there before there is a regis
restoration of life in that type of situation. So and
they want to obviously also from what I understand, check
in on during the pregnancy and so forth.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
That goes al in with that seven fifty four early
stages consideration, Uh, and go through that. What I want
to know, I want to hear from women. I want
to know how involved in men, moms, dads, prospective parents, grandparents,
uh in women? This is the thing I just find wild.
How much do you want Columbus or any other government

(36:32):
entity in your business and paying attention to your body?

Speaker 1 (36:36):
And what is it doing?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Or is that you your family, you're you know, you're
your doctor working together rather than somebody in Columbus a
bureaucrat because government does so many things so well, republican
or otherwise five three, seven, four, nine, eight hundred, the
Big One, Teresa's first time after that in Room for
You on a Sunday Sterling before reds baseball space stuff

(36:58):
after one thirty five as well, Teresa, what do you
think about this circumstance and this idea? Is it's a
good idea or a bad idea for the government to
get involved in baby carrying? Bad?

Speaker 10 (37:09):
Absolutely bad. I'm a mother, grandmother and a great grandmother,
and it just absolutely boggles my mind on why they
think it'd be okay for.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
Them to get involved. Won't be the purpose.

Speaker 10 (37:21):
I don't get it has no business in a private
life like that. I'm not understanding it.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
It makes me sick.

Speaker 10 (37:30):
It just makes me think that our government is more
corrupt than we ever thought. I mean, that's just to me,
is more about control and being and trying to be
in more involved in your life to the point where
the only thing I could think of is control.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
I mean, it's just sick, Teresa.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I'm just kind of curious, and this is a very
personal question. But it's a very personal thing. I mean,
when you find yourself pregnant, you think you might be pregnant,
you're in that stay situation. You go to the doctor,
you counsel with your doctor, you figure out where you are,
if you are if you're not swollen with joy, and
then you go from there. I mean, how involved in
depending on the stresses and everything else in somebody's life.

(38:13):
I just can't imagine then having to worry about a night.
Somebody just messaged me here, this is a Mary Anne
I think is how it's Pronouncer marying in Oakley says
it's it's Handmad's Tail, which I couldn't watch all that.
I watched like two episodes and I was done with
that thing. But I know it's critically acclaimed. Does it
seem like that if you've seen it. I mean, I'm

(38:33):
just curious to being a woman, what it would be
like in your mind to have to deal with, you know,
somebody from Columbus in a report that would be sent.

Speaker 10 (38:43):
I've not seen it, and in my mind, it just
makes me think that they're trying to control us.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
I don't understand.

Speaker 10 (38:50):
It doesn't make any sense. What is the government benefitting
and what is the woman.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
And child benefiting?

Speaker 10 (38:56):
What is there, what is the outcome of it? You
know what if whole reason behind it? It makes absolutely
no sense to me.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
It's just it's just crazy.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
It's lunacy.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
In my mind.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
So is this one of the how often, and this
is the other thing I'm kind of curious about, how often,
if ever, have you reached out to a lawmaker in
support of or you know, coming to just say that
you do not support any type of legislation, be it
in Columbus or locally or even at the federal level.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I'm just wondering, because I don't think most people have
ever done that.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
No, I have not.

Speaker 10 (39:30):
Now I have filled out by different surveys. It's king
in my mail and I will say I'm a registered
Republican and I do support President Trump, not saying that
I agree with everything, but I support him, and you know,
when I get things in the mail, I try to respond,
but I don't reach out to the offices. I believe

(39:53):
I did one time to brag is it winstrip?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
That's him?

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Yeah, yeah, over an issue.

Speaker 10 (40:00):
Many years ago. And I couldn't even tell you what
kind issue was. I'm like, probably a lot of people
feel like your voice isn't gonna be heard.

Speaker 11 (40:09):
They're gonna do what.

Speaker 10 (40:09):
They want to do a kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Now, there's a lot of us. I think I have
that feeling, Trees. I appreciate the call. Maybe this is
something that people will reach out and say something with.
I don't know how popular it is. I'd like to
hear from it. And I appreciate you being here for
listening and being a part of the show, Trees. So
I hope you have a good rest of your weekend.
I'm kind of curious if you are supportive of this
and the idea that you know, the doc's gonna notify

(40:32):
Columbus when you're pregnant, and then they're gonna monitor it
and they're gonna have to report back, and then you're
gonna have to go. Then they're gonna send more information
if you're a fan of that, what is the goal
and what is it that I mean, it's protecting the
kid and giving them a better opportunity and a better future,
which I think is fantastic. But I also think outside
looking in that maybe we as a as a community,

(40:54):
as a society, as taxpayers, maybe we just need to
start thinking about coughing up more money out of our posts.
Then also to feed more people and make sure that
they're cared for in the medicine that they need is
there so that they can also take care of these
kids too.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Maybe maybe I'm off base.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Maybe maybe maybe i'm a little I don't know, had
one too many blunt head traumas or something. But I mean,
you know, you're there in the beginning and then tough luck,
you're on your own later. Just seems like a real
hypocrisy to me that it's hard for me to wrap
my brain around. But if you're for this and you
want the government to get all up in your you know,
your your uterus or any other woman's uterus, I'm kind

(41:29):
of curious. Help me make sense of it and other
women five point three seven four nine eight hundred The
Big One Talk back the iHeartRadio WAPP with Sunday Sterling
talking to Tom on the Big One.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Hey Tom, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I'm good man, appreciate you holding on and appreciate you
listening and being a part of the show.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
What do you have?

Speaker 11 (41:47):
Well, the original call I was going to make was
dealing with three setting the button on TSA. But to
answer I think the question you're asking about these mistaking
involved with women, I think it really has to do
with trying to get control of the abortion the abortion clinics,
you know, the abortion market and all that that I

(42:07):
think is really killing a lot of not only the children,
but the mental health of a lot of the women
who are.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
Going through that abortion process.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
But that's just just my opinion.

Speaker 11 (42:18):
I have all the respect for Gene Smith, who's Republican,
who's in our district. Yeah, and I think she's trying
to put an end of these abortion mills, and I give.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Her credit for pushing that that argument.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Well you know the reason for that call.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Hold on one second because I just want to say
something that hold on just one second. I'll give you
a chance to sound off. I just learned to validate
something you said that they say the abortion bands have
actually led to higher pre term birth rates among black
women and others. And the question, I guess is from
there is just the idea of better health in that circumstance,
and I understand that. I mean, most people want kids
to be able to grow up and have a great

(42:53):
life and opportunity to do whatever they want.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
There you go, Tom, what else do you have on?

Speaker 5 (42:58):
Let me interrupt you on that one?

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Does?

Speaker 7 (42:59):
Chill?

Speaker 11 (43:00):
And regardless how they're born, are God's children, of course,
and we have no right to put the end to
God's children, regardless how they're being brought. He's going to
take care of the ones that are in need.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, just put it that way, one would hope.

Speaker 11 (43:11):
Here's by the point, Okay, I'm gonna segue down to
the TSA. Yeah, I think we need to push the
reset button on the TSA on how it's funded.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I agree, I think that.

Speaker 11 (43:20):
Okay. So it's like, if I don't fly, why am
I paying for the TSA agents. They're there for the
purpose of the flyers, right for their safety. I totally
get I totally agree with it.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
I support it, but I think what they would be.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
Doing is is charging putting a surcharge on each ticket
that's being produced for these flyers, and that would get
and keep the government there to manage to control the
safety and all that, but have them funded through the
passengers ticketing.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that would solve a
lot of this issues.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
That makes good sense.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
The problem is, of course, you know, then you got
to be in a situation where I think there's maybe
a limit to it. Sales are slower than they have
to lay people off, it gets weird, but here they
are now people quit through attrition because they're not getting
paid and can't afford to get to work, which is
bewatering time. I appreciate the call, you know, and it'd
be nice. I honestly could not care less. Red Blue

(44:14):
r D. It's irrelevant to me. I'm looking right now
at Fox News in Atlanta and a picture of flyers
in line for days and certainly regional airports smaller airport's
not affected as much as big hub airports, but most
of us, because it's a spoken hub kind of scenario,
end up in there, depending on unless you're lucky enough

(44:35):
to get a direct flight that someplace else isn't going
to be a headache. But you know, it's real simple
these people are working and want to work and have
been showing up dedicated bonus in their future or otherwise,
which there's no guarantee it's going to be there. This
is just real simple, and to a certain extent, some
of these lawmakers they say, well, they've been there, but
they won't negotiate it.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
They want it all or nothing.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Agains them gambling and negotiating and playing a serious, you know,
chess with your life in my life and our time
and our money, and the livelihoods and well being of
these people that work security at these airports and across
the country.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
It's it's just bizarre.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
It really is something I just can't quite process and
wrap my brain around in full. It really is hard
to process. Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred,
the big one if you're on the road. I saw
this earlier. I heard Sandy Collins talking about it a
lot of us over the last couple of weeks, especially

(45:39):
as the weather's been warm as it is today then
cold again, which we're gonna have a big temperature swing
and some issues of weather to deal with with some
scattered storms tonight from low you know, eighties or so
to about forty for the low tomorrow or overnight tonight
till tomorrow about fifty or so. It's gonna get weird

(45:59):
when weather stuff and everything associated with it. But you know,
you have to sort of bob and weave and do
the Tri State sort of pothole slalom, even though they've
been patching those and dealing with that as well. It's
a weird seasonal thing. I'm just worrying what you've hit
on the road. I saw two guys today on the road,
one guy who had scrap metal. It looked like they

(46:21):
had pulled gutters off of a property someplace, a house,
whatever else, and coming down seventy five right around two
seventy five if I remember correctly, and people I had
to swerve to miss it. People were swerving to miss it.
And you saw a few cars parked to the side
that had been tangled with some of this metal. So
they were trying to probably figure out where to point

(46:42):
the finger of blame and how bad their cars were
dinged up. So just be aware of all this stuff
on the road and secure stuff. I had one of
my best friends, a guy who was my boss when
I worked in Columbus, and he had moved on and
I had moved on. He was up in Minneapolis Saint
Paul years ago now, and somebody had bought a mattress

(47:02):
and tied it to the top of their vehicle and
lost control of it when they were on the interstate.
I think it was the thirty five, I'm not sure
what it was there, and my buddy was on his
motorcycle with a helmet on even or he would have
been dead, could not avoid that mattress, and then it

(47:22):
was not exactly a good outcome in the end, and
have some severe brain trauma as a result of it.
So if you're moving stuff in the warm weather, if
you're bobbing and weaving to avoid potholes that they've worked
very hard to patch, but it's the nature of being
in the tri State, just keep an eye on the
vehicles around you so you don't make things more complicated
or dangerous for your neighbors. Sometimes you got to take

(47:45):
the hit and take that wheel out or whatever else
when it comes to road debris, even though you don't
want to, because there can be some very bad outcomes
as a result. To Sydney a home of the Yellow Jackets,
and Mike was Sterling on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Hey, Mike, Hey, good.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
Afternoon, Sterling. Hey. I work in healthcare, and I think
the whole pregnancy reporting thing. Pregnancy is a medical condition.
It's noncommunicable, so it's not a communical disease.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Was just it is catchy though I had I know,
all the weather, all the weather and meteorologist types here
on Cincinnati TV a few years ago, and even up
in Dayton they were all pregnant at the same time.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Not catchy but apparently cyclical. Go ahead, though, I'm.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Sorry, yeah, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
But I think there's a huge hippa issue there.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
As far as privacy issues when it comes to the
government getting into your business.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Yeah, that's exactly it. With your medical information that is
protected because you know, like I said, this isn't tuberculosis
where the public has a right to.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Know, right.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
And the other the other question I had is one
with the hip apps. What's the government going to do
with these statistics once they get them? You know, even
though I personally find it important to use abortion as
worth control, who's what's the stop the government for taking

(49:20):
that information saying Okay, you've now had five abortions. You know,
this is a really slippery slope to go down.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I mean, and somebody messaged me and it was quickly
typed and explotive filled. But I'll ask you, and you're
a medical professional, and they mentioned eugenics and just I'm
trying to get bullet points here, just about where does
the line stop then of who should be born and
who shouldn't see? I mean, this gets into a really
like downward spiral rabbit hole of conversation that and there's

(49:50):
no it's a personal decision. But everybody I think is
rooting for babies to have an opportunity if they're here.
The question is when they're here. And you mentioned about
the hip rules, which somebody else just messaged about and said,
what about the baby's hippo, you know, privacy and protection.
I guess then that goes into when life is life correct,
which has been an argument for decades now.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
That's exactly it. And hippa, you know, Hippa begins when
you're born and it ends when you die. Hippa dies
with you. That's how you can have on a public document,
you know, a death certificate. I can say that this
person die, you know, you can say this person died
of whatever, because HIPPA no longer is in effect once

(50:36):
you are deceased.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Right, So unless you have like a communicable disease or
something like that, there's no like scarlet letter that says
that so and so has diabetes or this guy has
like I don't know, irritable bow syndrome or whatever, Right,
I got.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
You, exactly. I mean that's just because what I'm most
afraid of in that situation is a woman not speaking
prenatal care.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Oh, rather than taking care of her to get on
a registry.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well see, but that's a bad outcome for the baby also,
So maybe they weren't going to be taking care of
So are these people that you think wouldn't be caring
for themselves in that future?

Speaker 4 (51:14):
You know?

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Baby?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
The same in general that well or what I mean,
exacerbating an existing problem or creating a.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Problem, exactly, I think it could be both, you know,
you especially you know because because I've seen it working
in emergency medicine before. A girl she's ashamed or she
is you know, it's it's bad circumstances that she got pregnant,

(51:43):
they won't seek prenatal care unintended throw on top yeah,
and we throw on top of this that you're now
going to be on a government list somewhere, But you do, Mike,
I really appreciate the call, especially doing what you do
and bringing your experience working in emergency medicine. Mike, take
care of yourself. Man, appreciate you listening and bring it.

(52:05):
Take care of yourself you too. I hate to be
brief on the click off there, but I'm a quite
tricky finger, you know what I mean? You want third
reports coming up. It's complicated issue and an undintended consequences
is the thing. Oftentimes there's legislation, it's not through well
thought out, it's not necessarily well vetted, well argued. It
may be implemented, goes into law and then you go, oops,
we didn't think about that just in the news. And

(52:27):
how recently the issue of the farm bill in the
intoxicating hemp and the carve out that was there that
caused a couple of years of you know, weird areas
where now that's these people are losing their business. The
difference is this and undintended consequences could be health issues
exacerbated worse as well. Maybe with the best of intentions
from Genie Schmidt or others. A part of this respectfully,

(52:50):
at least in my opinion, and I could very well
be wrong, and I don't have a uterus, and that's
where I kind of draw the line about getting into
a woman's business. It's kind of hers the news straight away.
You're one third of report. Mikey Wall talks space stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
On the other side a meteorite hunting in Ohio and
does so much more on the Home of the Red
seven hundred wlw ah familiar sound of.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Space theodity was.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
David Bowie and Sterling hanging out seven hundred wlw and
Ohio guy out west looking to maybe he should be
back in this part of the world. Mighty Wall, have
you been hunting meteorite bits and pieces in your life
at all? Because I know they're hunting meteorite pieces up
around Cleveland, and yesterday Houston got a taste of a

(53:37):
daytime meteorite come down too.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Yeah. I've never been in a spot where.

Speaker 9 (53:43):
There was like a fresh metior fall, so I've never
had the pleasure of going out and trying to look
for him.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
And it is.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
It is tough though. It's like needle in a haystack work.
There are a lot of rocks on the ground.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Did you have to know what to look for?

Speaker 1 (53:54):
What kind of money is that worth?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I got a buddy of mine, He's like, you want
to take a road trip this week? I got time off.
I'm like, dude, I don't think I need to go
up to Madna and just start searching for like random rocks.
I mean seriously. But he's like, no, there's money. I'm like,
I don't have that kind of time. I got a life.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
But maybe he's right. Is this like treasure hunting or no,
Well it can be.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
I mean you can sell them to scientists if you
find a fresh meteorite.

Speaker 9 (54:22):
Scientists are interested in them because you know, if they're
freshly fallen from space and they're still pretty pristine, and
you can learn a lot about the composition of asteroids
and stuff. They haven't been kind of weathered by experience
here on Earth. There are kind of microbes on Earth
there there they like do hold like a record of.

Speaker 5 (54:38):
A Christine space object. But I don't think you're getting
a rich off of them.

Speaker 9 (54:41):
I mean, like, unless you find like a fresh fresh
media I fall from a rock to keep from bars
or something, then you're maybe talking.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
But that's that's pretty rare.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Talking to Mike D.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Wall By the way, he is the spaceflight Tech channel
edler from space dot com Stirling on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
We've talked about this before.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
I always flash back to watching Creep Show, which was
a like a fanzine, magazine graphic thing, but Stephen King
of course made the move or his They bought it
and made a movie out of it, and I always
see him in his character with the meteorite that had
all the stuff in there and then the green like
goo started spreading and taking over. What have we found,

(55:19):
if at all scientifically, that has traveled in meteorite or
is it nothing possibly surviving the burn in everything in
an entry into our atmosphere.

Speaker 9 (55:30):
Yeah, they've had a lot of experiments actually that just
to kind because this like this idea that you're talking about,
like like the Tommy Knockers e spirit that like Stephen
King stuff about like kind of alien life could kind
of traveling from world to world in rocks is actually like.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Some scientists take that really seriously, and there.

Speaker 9 (55:50):
There are scientists, like really reputable ones who think that
life might have started on bars and been been blasted
off bars by like an asteroid.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Im Pact and been curious to Earth and like.

Speaker 9 (56:00):
A chunk of of Mars like a rock that fell
into our atmosphere as a meteorite. Like there are people
who really think that that could have happened like four
billion years ago. And yeah, people have done research it
laps that show that actually there are bacteria here on Earth,
that kids survive the sorts of temperatures and pressures, and
that you experience as a rock going through our atmosphere

(56:21):
at like forty thousand miles per hour. So yeah, it
is actually like a feasible sort of scenario that scientists
take really seriously.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Huh. I think it's you just just don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I mean when you look at like the men in
black and stuff, and I know some people I'm not
gonna say, who are Willy could in fact be an alien.
I don't know, love him, but still you kind of
wonder sometimes.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I've been accused of it. My mom always told me
she was from Mars. But that's that's all, or the Venus,
I guess whatever it was. It's just very confusing on
the space station. Do you think that they have brackets
for the NCAA tournament. I don't know about those other
foreign scientists or astronauts or whatever ever from around the
but I mean, like the Americans, do we know if
they're engaged in bracketology.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (57:06):
I would suspect, so I think I think a lot
of them are sports face, you know, like we know
they watched the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
They had a feed go up there for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 9 (57:14):
I would imagine a lot of them want to watch
March Madness too, like, especially as we get to like
the like Sweet sixteen and Elite like eight games, which
are one of the the most look forward to kind
of supporting events of the entire year. I would I
would imagine that there they're gonna want to see a
lot of those games up there.

Speaker 7 (57:29):
Yet.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, I think it'd be pretty cool too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Talking about also something else that is kind of wild,
and we've discussed this time and time again. Mighty Wall
from space dot Com was stirling on the big one
about the dangers of space debris, the garbage that's up
there floating around in orbit or lower Earth orbit, whatever
it is that you want to call it, and more
and more satellites and other implements and so forth up there.
But there was a great piece of at space dot Com.

(57:54):
And then also stuff that we talked about, whether it's
AI in our enemies or by accident or otherwise, the
ideas of how vulnerable satellites are and what that would
mean for us in the world as we know it,
because they're a big part of our infrastructure, even though
we may not think about it. We often think of
bridges and like telecommunications on Earth up there, there's a

(58:14):
lot going on.

Speaker 9 (58:17):
Yeah, And actually, one of the things that the US
military is most worried about as far as our our
defenses or our space assets is there's a real possibility
that our satellites could get hacked either hacked just to
make them useless basically, and that that that would be
a really big deal if they kind of hack into
our spy satellites or our GPS satellites and make them

(58:38):
kind of inoperable.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
That's a real concern because you know, I think we've
we've talked about.

Speaker 9 (58:43):
This before, how like a big part of our military
advantage on the battlefield is our is our advantage in
space like we have we've historically had the best like
reconnissant satellites, the best like communication satellites, and so we're
always worried about those canpabilities being graded, and there are,
like our adversariations are constant keeper ways to catch up

(59:05):
in space, and one way to do that is to
try to knock some of our assets offline. And they
don't want to do that too obvious the way, like
they're not just going to like start shooting missiles at
our satellites.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
That's active war and that would be a very big deal.

Speaker 9 (59:19):
But I mean, Russia and China are known to be
doing a lot of research into ways to jam satellites and.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Just sort of do kind of sneaky disruption in that direction.

Speaker 9 (59:29):
We're also doing that too, the ways to do the
same for our adversaries. It's all that's the nature of
the power struggle that the world is always in the
middle of that, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Mikey Wall, by the way, is the Spacefly Tech channel
editor for space dot Com.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Was stirling on the Big one.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
We obviously are very well aware that there's a lot
going back and forth from Tara Firmer here, you know,
Earth going up to the space station. We know that
even though we are enemies, we're sort of friends and
kissing cousins of sorts on the space in some collusion
of some sort, maybe a bad choice of words, a cooperation.
Let's just say with foreign lands, including Russia in the

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space station. They were supposed to be from what I
understand sending up cargo is often shows up like a
big cargo container full of supplies and so forth. They
had a bit of a problem is it was supposed
to be going towards the ISS. Do you know about
that yet?

Speaker 9 (01:00:22):
Yeah, So they actually launched like one of their kind
of every six months, like cargo missions.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
To the space station.

Speaker 9 (01:00:28):
You know, they send up food and fuel and propel
it and stuff like that, about three tons of it
on a spacecraft just this morning, and like the launch
a well, but one of the antennas of this cargo
spacecraft did not deploy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
And it's an antenna that that helps it dock like
autonomously with the space station.

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
So if they can't troubleshoot it's supposed to dock on Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
If they can't get the.

Speaker 9 (01:00:52):
Thing deployed and working, then they'll have to like do
more of like a manual docum. It'll have to be
like controlled by operators. So Michigan in Moscow and with
some help by cosmonauts in.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
The space station. So it like doesn't seem like it's
a disaster or anything.

Speaker 9 (01:01:07):
It's just something they'll have to troubleshoot. If they can't,
they get it totally fixed. But yeah, it's just one
of those things that we often talk about Sterling about
how spaceflight is just hard. At any time something goes wrong,
there are a million things that can't go wrong, and
so like sometimes things do go wrong and you just
have to troubleshooting one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Of the other things, Mike, do you all By the way,
space dot Com was stirling on the big one Space
Force they had or whatever. I think it was even
up there before we had Space Force, but certainly subsequently
they had what looks like that sort of tiny shuttle
or whatever. And I know that they were also going
to send up some other rocket or something with a
GPS launch, but that now has been changed because of

(01:01:49):
a problem with the Vulcan rocket. It's going to one
of the other space X I guess, I don't know
what you want to call it, delivery systems, whatever it is, right, Yeah, so.

Speaker 9 (01:01:59):
This was just this is just recent like, yeah, so
there's there's a GPS satellite that's supposed launched next month.
That it was supposed to fly on the United Launch
Alliance Vulcan rocket, which is their.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
New rocket from that company.

Speaker 9 (01:02:11):
It's flowed four times, and on two of the four
flights they had like a glitch with the solid rocket boosters,
those kind of smaller white rockets that you kind of
strap onto the side to get more thrust at end
theft off. And they had the same type of glitch
on two of the four launches and it didn't it
didn't affect mission success. They were still able to do
what they were supposed to do on those launches, but

(01:02:32):
it was enough of a worry to the Space Force.
But you know, putting up GPS satellites as where we're
just talking about a few minutes ago, that's a key
kind of military capability and a similian capability too that
like like the GPS keeps sending up more and more
advanced GPS satellites to get to get better and better
kind of geolocating info for.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
Their forces, true movements and so forth. So this is
like a big mission for them.

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
And they're they're worried enough about this Vulcan rocket issue
that they swapped out that I'm being launched next month,
I do a Faucon nine from SpaceX. So yeah, it's
just something to keep in mind. Like they've they've officially
traded missions like they're gonna swap out like a mission
from SpaceX in twenty twenty eight put that out of
Vulcan rocket. So it's not like they're taking one awful Vulcan,

(01:03:18):
They're they're actually trading for one for the future when
theoretically the Vulcan issue will be all sorted out by that. Yeah,
it's just that that that kind of popular the news
just a couple of days ago.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
There's so much stuff that is a part of our
everyday lives that we don't think about. Conveniences, quality of life, advancement,
everyday things. To go back to the dark ages of
the fact there were some type of you know, a
dorking around up there with our technology and these satellites.
Forget about the stuff Space Force is doing. Because obviously
a lot of what we've gotten to appreciate, whether it's

(01:03:50):
our own GPS and getting around with maps or whatever,
a lot of that has all started and began effectively
with military scientific experimentation and implement isn't that right?

Speaker 9 (01:04:02):
Yeah, And that's true across all walks of life and
all technologies. I mean a lot of our foundational kind
of technologies start in the military sector because that's where
the need is the most acute or where the stake's
my highest, right, So like a lot of propulsion technology
stuff like that, you know, I mean rocket technology, falls
and the heels of miss technology.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
You look at where did the first rockets come from?

Speaker 9 (01:04:25):
They were basically German V twos or were the first
like effective rockets that were deployed in real life.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
We're German V twos during World War Two and they.

Speaker 9 (01:04:34):
Were not exploring space and they were they were raining
kind of death and destruction down on the Allies. So
it's like that's just a reminder that, yeah, I mean
things that the stakes are high and like and the
money is highest in the military sector, and so you
often see spin office from that into kind of like
the rest of civilian life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
It's an amazing thing. I just saw something that in
a documentary there was a miniature bug that they had
like from the seventies. I think that look like a
dragonfly that apparently would fly around and gather information or
share information to somebody that they had maybe across a
border or something like that, and that was like fifty

(01:05:13):
years ago. I can't imagine some of the technology and
that's down here, and space stuff's another thing. But using
space or otherwise, what they've accomplished in what they're doing now,
aside from our phones listening fifty years later, is beyond.
I don't even know the comprehension and the possibilities are endless.
Mikey Wall from space dot com. I know you're driving

(01:05:35):
and navigating my serious questions with traffic in the Bay Area,
so I bowed down to you when your capabilities. I
was talking to Sean McMahon, who produces a show off
the year about it before, and I said, you astound me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
I can't talk. I mean I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I couldn't do what you're doing if I was driving
now without like just the dangers of the road in
my mouth, very dangerous for everything. So I appreciate you
doing it. Something else here before we let you go.
The Artemis two moon rocket, which we've talked about. It
rolled out and went back. There was a problem. They
don't want to get this rocket shot off and have

(01:06:09):
a major issue, and this is what's looping around the
moon and then hopefully we'll then get to the moon
for this to be a bounce to something further into space.
What's the situation, Is it back on the launch pad
or coming back or what.

Speaker 9 (01:06:22):
Yeah, they actually just rolled it back out to the
pad a couple of days ago, and apparently everything's still
on track for a launch. The launch window up at
z April first. They have this window from April first
April sixth, like every day they have an opportunity to fly,
and they're still shooting for that first day. They're still
shooting for April first in that window, So we could

(01:06:44):
theoretically be like a week and a half away from
the first kind of human space flight to the Moon
or that in like fifty four years basically since the
Fallow seventeen in nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
We still apparently are on track for that.

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
I mean, there's like no guarantees that they'll hit that window,
but we're still on targe at the boot, which which
is really exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
One of the other things, Mike that I find interesting
is the fact that the idea of planning the flag
on the Moon to get to someplace else we've been
there others, you know, and many trying to get back
and utilize it in some other way. The question is
is space gonna be where they fight the next war
or you know, and I heard the guy from the
one drone company that's here, andwell, I think is what

(01:07:29):
it's called talking about like underground, like drilling in like
you know, subterranean war too. So I mean, it's gonna
be above and below what we're all gonna be? Okay here?

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
What do you know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
What the future is? What have they said? What have
you gleaned from all of this? If anything?

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
I mean I think that there's always like kind of
low level conflict in space. It's like we were talking
about just a few.

Speaker 9 (01:07:51):
Minutes ago with like trying to to like degrade your
opponent's capabilities in space. You know, that's sort of a
form of low level warfare, is trying to to jam
your opponent's satellites and all that stuff. That's that's going
on now. So you know, there is like a lot
of that power play happening in space. There is already
some some offer of action. But yeah, like I don't know,

(01:08:13):
I think the future of warfare I think you're starting
to see it. I mean, we like really start to
see it with the Russian what they're doing with the Ukraine.
There's a lot of drones involved, you know. I think
the future of warfare in general is going to be
less troops and harm's way and more just drone versus
drone warfare, which is yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
I think I think we're sort of seeing that starting
to happen now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
It's kind of crazy the future is now. I suppose
autonomous vehicles and everything else, taxis and cars and trucks
soon they don't. They only want one pilot or no
pilots soon in regular flights. And you know, we can't
get security in an airport without getting military involved apparently
at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
So, I mean, you know, I'll bets are off. I
guess we're in a world of hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Mike Wall, thank you for doing what you do and
making time and doing it while you're behind the wheel
as well anything else before we let you bounce to
enjoy the rest of your Sunday.

Speaker 9 (01:09:03):
No, I was just going to bring up what just
just look forward to the artimists tuission coming up that
you you like you brought that up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
I think that is.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
That's really exciting. To keep keep an eye on that.
And hopefully we will see four.

Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
People launch on a leap around the moon in a
week and a half and that's gonna be a early
big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
And I hope that all stays stays on target.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Let's hope so, and that they stay safe. We'll check
in with you again soon. Thanks for making yourself available.
Best to the family. Wall as well, man, take care
of yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
Yes, yes, sure thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Thanks to see you buddy, as Mike D. Wall from
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We'll talk about that. Well, new movies and I don't
know whatever else is on it and speaking, I should
have mentioned this to Kevin Carr. I can't put the
pieces together all the time we need and we need
our Willy to help with that sometimes. This whole project
Hail Mary, which is about getting to save everyone here
somehow out there, and I think it's an alien interaction

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