5-2-26 Saturday Sterling

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
There's so much going on beautiful Saturday afternoon, Stirling in
for ken Brew, taking it right up to Red's Baseball
this afternoon, game two of the weekend series, hoping the
bounce back they are after a tough beating they took
against the Bucos at their place at P and C
Park along those three rivers in Pittsburgh. In the meantime,
a lot of other ground to cover and a conversation

(00:23):
look we look to hear from Kevin Carr. Also Ian
Ralby is an expert in security and seafaring issues and
talking about the straight of horn moves and that relates
to gas prices. And also everybody right now think about this.
You've heard it in the news. You got spirit airlines
around the country shut down overnight. It's only about two

(00:44):
percent of the flying population stateside generally, but there's still
a whole lot of people stuck with the not allow
a whole lot of options, and the few people that
actually paid with cash apparently are just so well, good
luck chasing that down in the same thing, if you
already have a ticket in hand. Otherwise they say, though,

(01:04):
if you have a credit card, you're in that circumstance.
You might be able to get a refund that way,
so good luck. I just imagine that people getting stranded,
and what a nightmare that is. Maybe it's nice on vacation.
I've been stuck on vacation before. I had flights canceled,
diving and so forth in Mexico and elsewhere, and you

(01:25):
get like a bonus day as long as there's you know,
hotel space. Otherwise you're just stuck, maybe trying to live
on the beach or something, which is not a great scenario,
to say the least.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's a bad spot.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
So we'll talk to Ian Rolby later on a conversation
I had with him about the fact that very few
people have mentioned this, And I think about all those
ships and all that oil and all the fertilizer and
everything else in and around the Strait of Horn Mooz
and the Persian Gulf. There there are some twenty to
twenty two thousand people give or take that are stuck
on those vessels. So we'll talk about isolation and being

(01:59):
stuck someplace and everything else associated with that. And I
wonder right now, because I've talked to people in you know,
the rising prices right before this engagement or excursion, call
it what you want into Iran on the way in
to do a show here on the night where it
was seemingly telegraphed that something was happening, we didn't know

(02:21):
exactly when and what type of engagement it would be.
I paid two dollars eleven cents for fuel two dollars
eleven I gassed up day before yesterday it was four
eighty nine, and I felt like I got a break.
And I've seen five oh one, and I think there
are a lot of gas stations I see at five
ninety nine, which then leads me to how much more

(02:43):
expensive it is and how many people When you think
about flying and getting someplace and the cost of money,
the idea of regional tourism and the so called staycation
really comes to mind for a whole lot of people,
especially if you haven't already coughed up the cash. You know,
your stuff set and advance and paid for and ready
to go. So I want to open up the phones,

(03:04):
have a little fun, give you a chance to sound off.
I am curious if you had to recommend either one.
If you're planning staycation kind of short, you know, think
about the tri state and the fact that you know,
within a couple hours you can be. I mean, it's
why logistically between here in Dayton, Louisville, this region in general,
with a lot of logistics is in touch with a

(03:26):
huge percentage of the population and a whole lot of
cool places and a whole lot of nice, cool stuff
to do and see a little closer to home.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Granted we're paying more for fuel, I don't know, and
so it will be the same also for airfare and
everything else. I'm wondering where it is that you might
be looking to go that you could recommend or what
you've done. A lot of people think, oh, Cincinnati, USA,
that's Red's Baseball, that's the Newport Aquarium. That's a museum center.
That's King's Island, that's the Freedom Center. It may be

(03:59):
coming in a lot of people this weekend for the
Flying Pig. I'm curious, staycation wise, local, regional, If in fact, one,
the costs are affecting your decision making. Two, where you've gone,
where you go, what you'd recommend to somebody who's thinking,
you know what, maybe we're not going to go as far,
we're not going to spend as much, or maybe we

(04:19):
will spend as much, but we're gonna do it because
it's going to be even more if we go where
we'd like to be going. So pick up the phone,
give it the fingers. My good friend mister K used
to say. Five one three seven four nine seven thousand,
eight hundred the big one. If you're on the iHeartRadio
app streaming pretty much globally or otherwise, you can click
on that microphone and leave a message that way. I'm

(04:40):
also on x which used to be Twitter for those
who have been lost or confused or somehow untouched and
unplugged recently at Sterling Radio, and you can get interactive
that way too, So we'll dip into it.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
So where would you go? What would you do?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
How much are you spending a difference in just the
pain that we're feeling overall, wondering exactly how uh that
will work for you uh in that type of situation.
Five point three seven four nine seven eight hundred, the
big one. There are a lot of cool places to
go in our area, and of course Derby Day a
lot of people headed Louisville that is going on. And

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you think about Reds Baseball, you think about Dayton Dragons,
you think about the bats in Louisville. You think about Indianapolis,
there are a lot of cool places. And to be honest,
if you're not already you know somebody who has been
to the Burgh, if you will, or Pittsburgh specifically, and
you're in a you know, looking for something to do
when the Reds and the Pirates not up or even otherwise.

(05:39):
Pittsburgh is a cool place. It really is. So, I mean,
that's close to that's not too super far. How far
is too far in a staycation situation? And I guess
maybe I'm using that term wrong because staycation would mean
stay here, which I mentioned a lot of the stuff
that we can do in our area immediately and around
Cincinnati and up to the Dayton area and so on.

(06:02):
But even for the drive scenario, where do you go?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
What do you do? Because I've mentioned a few of
those things.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
You go a little further north, you got you know,
obviously the Air Force Museum. You go, you know, a
little bit further you got Columbus, which isn't too far
up seventy one. I mean, there are a lot of
cool spots to go and things to do, and maybe
having a phone issue or something, I'm not quite sure
Joe Waddell if we can maybe check on that as
we look to get some people interactive here as we

(06:28):
move ahead. Other stuff going on too, because I sort
of set this topic up, teed it up, and then
I see the phone's working, but it looks like there's
an issue, so we'll see how that goes in relation
to it. Although it looks like it's working now. So
there you go five, one, three, seven, four, nine, eight hundred,
the big one? Where do you go? What do you do?
What do you recommend? What have you done in this

(06:49):
type of scenario? And I realize I've mentioned this too,
And I was in line. I got gas and then
I needed I'm trying to eat better, but I I
had to get a candy bar. So I'm in the
place and the people were complaining about cost of the fuel.
But then I see people spending like five dollars on water.

(07:10):
I see high price coffee. So we all have these
areas where do you say? Where do you spend? That
sort of ties into all the list of Florence and
Todd was sterling on the big one.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
How are you this Saturday?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Hey, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I'm doing all right? So staycation on the road nearby.
You sort of heard me lay it out there.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
What do you have, Well, we'll probably do a staycation.
But the real reason I call it is I'm getting
kind of tired of hearing liberals and Democrats complaining about
high gas prices because we had real high gas prices
for four full years under Biden, and that was done
on purpose. This is temporary, right, It's.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Not going to be temporary, though, And I don't think
it's just liberals complaining. There's a whole lot of people
feeling this pain. I think it's a universal pain that
people are feeling at the pump and beyond because it's
going to affect everything personally.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I get it. I get it. But I'm willing to
pay a little higher gas prices for a while to
keep a ron for getting nuclear weapons. I mean, my
entire life. I'm fifty four. Think about all these years,
almost my entire life.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Oh, I know, I was filling.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
US citizens, US soldiers, marines, perpetuating terrorists.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm not asking about the willingness to sacrifice, because whether
you're willing to do it or not, we're doing it.
So what I'm asking you is about the staycation. Someplace close.
I'm not going to get into the politics of it
right now, because you know that's an ongoing argument.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Well, personally, I could afford to take a vacation if
I want to. You know, I don't like paying the
higher gas prices, but I do realize that this is
more than likely going to be temporary.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I mean, may I understand you? Yeah, yeah, it's going
to probably be at least a year, Todd. I appreciate
the call. Let's say we canet a little bit closer
to on topic. Let's get the Santa Monica Christopher's share
and Paul Others room for you five one, the big one?
Uh staycation wise, short road trip or are you just
gonna go wherever and do whatever you want anyway regardless

(09:08):
because maybe you're in this situation where it doesn't hurt
so bad.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Hey Christopher, Hey, Hey, it's.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
Christopher Bragg Corn Covington went to Moola living in Santa Monica.
I paid two ninety nine a gallon for fuel because uh, well,
this is not political. My twenty ten Dodge caravan it
burns e eighty five. Yeah, and I found the only
gas station with the eighty five. It's on Wilship Boulevard

(09:36):
and uh so that's two ninety nine. I think that
if Gavin Newsome I'm not political, here's this call in
the trouble and then so then here's the kicker for you.
Uh My van has the engine light on right now
and AutoZone says it's you know, the emissions and I
passed the small test.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
How can this be?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know, man, I can't help you with you're
exhausted silver. You can talk to your mechanic. Okay, good,
but good luck with that. I know a eighty five's
out there. Obviously there's where a lot of corn goes,
and how that plays out. Let's say we got Sharon
and Lawrenceburg and Paul, Denny, Mike and others in room
for you on a Saturday Sterling seven hundred WLW. What
do you have, Sharon? Where you're going? If you're staying closer?

(10:23):
I mean, as far as this goes, everything's costing more.
A lot of people looking to stay, you know, nearby.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
Hey, Shirley, how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I'm good, thank you, good to talk to you.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
Good.

Speaker 9 (10:33):
So I'm going to.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Stay on topic.

Speaker 10 (10:35):
I'm in the DAR and this year is the America
two fifty. Yeah, and there's a lot of local celebratory
stuff going on that people can go to that's not
going to happen ever again in our lifetime.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, that's that's a pretty cool idea. I remember when
I was a kid, because I was just a little
guy in the bi centennial, which tells you that I'm
in that window of age mid fifties, and I can
remember they painted fire hydrants all over downtown and stuff
like that too.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
That was like a red, white and blue thing and
so forth.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
And there was also what was it called the Freedom
Train is what they called it, that came around and
you could hop on board and see all this great
history about our nation, which I thought was pretty sweet.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (11:17):
If you get on the America two fifty Ohio website,
there's lots of events going on. And I'm actually leading
a committee. It's called the America two fifty Hamilton County West.
It's on Facebook and we have events coming up too.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
That's nice, very cool, Sharon. I appreciate the call, and
that's a great idea. And there, I mean, it's America,
it's the United States. There's a lot of amazing places
to go to experience to see and certainly the celebration
of our two hundred and fifty years pretty amazing to date.
And Paul, then Denny and Mike was sterling on the
big one. Paul, what's shaking?

Speaker 11 (11:52):
Man?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
What do you have?

Speaker 12 (11:54):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Man?

Speaker 13 (11:54):
I appreciate that ladies call on the site to go
look at and find more things to do, But who
buys a season pass at King's Island? Six Flags bottom
out last year. If you could go to any six
Flags anywhere in the United States.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
For free, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, not free, You've already paid for it. It's a
part of the deal, right, It's.

Speaker 13 (12:12):
Part of the deal. But you know, from Cincinnati, you're going,
You're going to King's Island. I live in Dayton, and
I'm halfway between Cedar Point, which is also a six
Flags Cedar Fair thing, and I'm grabbing my grandkids.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
We're just gonna hit the road.

Speaker 13 (12:25):
We're gonna start seeing all the ones that we can
get to nice and and I've got family in California.
There's four men from California. We're just gonna fly out
there Rennosa car and run up it down California. So
just things like at local and support your mom and
pop businesses out there. Everybody this summertime, it's tight for them.

Speaker 9 (12:42):
I'm a mom and.

Speaker 13 (12:43):
Pop tended business person, and we do appreciate your business
when you.

Speaker 9 (12:46):
Come into our area.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Absolutely, Well, that's tremendous. I need to hang out with you.
I need to be a grand kid. Holy crap, it
sounds like you're living the dream.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
What a great idea and a good plan to Mike
and then Danny and Lou when r J was sterling
on the big one. So you're staying close hitting the road.
How you're dealing with the higher prices because we're all
feeling it.

Speaker 14 (13:05):
Well, I'm in hospice pretty much, so I don't get
to get out too much at the VA here in
North San Diego County actually being a point area. But
there's the one good thing here. Well, a lot of
my buddies are truck driver. There's a lot of veterans
drive trucks, especially the younger guys, and they're getting chilled
with these prices.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Oh yeah, really diesels even Yeah, it's brutal.

Speaker 14 (13:28):
Oh it's terribly you know.

Speaker 6 (13:30):
I still have my car.

Speaker 14 (13:31):
They don't want me to drive it, but whenever I
get out.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
I do drive it.

Speaker 14 (13:35):
It's six fifty for a gallon of gas yesterday.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Wow, that stings. Yeah, that's not the e eighty five
price the guy earlier mentioned. That's it's a different layer
and it's not cheaper.

Speaker 7 (13:44):
You are.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I hope you're feeling better, Mike. It was good to
talk to you, and uh yeah, I mean that's you.
Just try to stay close and do what you can
to Centerville Home of the Elks with Denny and Sterling
on the big One. What's up Dan? It's good buddy.
What about you? You staying close? Hitting the road? Are
gonna fly anyway? What's your plan now?

Speaker 12 (14:05):
I'm kind of hanging around town. Got so much to
do here around town. But I do enjoy your show
and I love your spend one things. But I do
have a question. All right, So the last time we
had gas prices over four dollars a down and post
to five dollars, you were on the air, and did

(14:25):
you spend time talking about gas prices then as.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
You are now?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I'd have to pull up the tape.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
But here I am, and I'm what twenty minutes into
a show, and you're thinking I've spent too much time.
I think a segment's reasonable and it's not politics. This
is about business, So don't don't even go down that path.

Speaker 12 (14:43):
Well, what I'm saying, though, is did did people show
this amount of concern back then? Whether it's talk shows.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Or mainstream You said you were listening, So you tell
me were they? No, you don't think so.

Speaker 12 (15:00):
I don't believe.

Speaker 11 (15:01):
So.

Speaker 12 (15:01):
I don't believe when we'd last time we had gas
prices that it was the lead in forty on local news,
national news, and talk shows about ask prices.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Well, I haven't scanned all the media. I take in information.
I can bring an opinion and I try to have
a conversation. I can't say one way or the other
politically speaking, how it affects, you know, one party or another.
But I can tell you it affects my wallet. It
affects your wallet, and if you're poor, it's going to
affect people more than somebody who's living a more affluent lifestyle.

(15:33):
But I'm not in the business of trying to go
one way or the other on it. All I know
is when I feel pain or I know people are
feeling pain, I'm going to talk about it. So whether
I talked about Wait a minute, whether I talked about
it more or less, I don't know. But we've seen
since two eleven is what I paid before this engagement
or excursion in Iran happen to where we are now.
It's five dollars or near five dollars. So that's all.

(15:54):
It's affecting people. It's summertime, we're getting to it, and
I'm asking how people are going to deal with it.
That ain't political. That's business, and we're all businesses, whether
you're operating one personally where you have people working for you,
or your business at home in your pocket. So that's
the point of that. I hope that that gets across.
I understand where you're coming, but I don't worry about
the political end of it. I'm worried about the business

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that affects us.

Speaker 9 (16:16):
All.

Speaker 12 (16:17):
Well, let's just talk though that every time you try
on a local news station or national news, do it
lead into the plight for the first five minutes his
gas price?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Why do you think that is? Because it affects everybody's business,
period You laugh?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 12 (16:35):
Well, but nobody was just concerned.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
You're just saying the same thing over and over. So
that's ponderous to me. It is astounding. So what you're
saying is, I guess tell me if Denny's wrong. We'll
take a break. We'll come back to twelve thirty four
coming up. We got lou RJ others. Later, we'll talk
to Ian Robby. Conversation with him about people getting stranded
into how the oil situation will play out over time
much more also with that, but I mean, are people

(17:00):
talking about it more now compared to before, only because
it's costing people more. And if you've got people that
work for you and you're in the business of moving
goods from point A to point B, to put stock
on shelves, or to bring business to individuals or otherwise,
it's your wallet, it's your credit card, it's your cash,
money in your pocket, and I'm here to try to

(17:21):
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Speaker 1 (17:48):
Glad you're along Saturday afternoon, Sterling If for Keim.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Brew, I hope you're feeling all right.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Derby day, Reds and the Bird taking on the Pirates,
trying to bounce back from last night and keep their
winning ways alive series to series, and I'll get you
ready with an inside pitch coming up after three o'clock.
In the meantime, it's US conversation also coming up. I
had with the inter all be a guy who knows
from security issues on the seas, issues with piracy and

(18:14):
all that oil and everything else in and around the
Persian Gulf, the Gulf of Amon, in the Strait of
Horn moves there, there's like twenty thousand people people working
on those vessels that are stuck as they traverse in
and around there, or just anchored. Which then got me
thinking talking to some people the other night about this
about being stuck someplace, and I've had that happen. I

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was here when they had to winter storm Fern a
couple months ago. I ended up stuck here for a
couple of days doing shows, working for the people, servicing
the community as it were here on the Big One,
and I can remember as I mentioned before, also having
extra days you know, in traveling because of canceled flights
and stuff. A whole lot of people with Spirit Airlines

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dealing with that type a circumstance now trying to figure
out if anybody will honor a ticket, how much more
it's going to cost them to get where they're going
or home, whatever that is, And to think about all
those people working for it who are also then stuck
wherever those aircraft were grounded to.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
So where have you been stuck while traveling or in
snow or otherwise. Let's have a little fun and we
can talk also continuing about travel plans and if the
higher gas prices which are affecting fuel costs for flying
and everything else, or you know, everything comes on a
truck that you have on your body, that vehicle you drive,

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came on a truck that may have come on a.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Boat, or at least parts for it.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Your house in fact, came off a train, probably came
off a truck for sure, may have come in part
or pieces off the boat from someplace else round planet
Earth or otherwise.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
So this affects everyone. So we can talk travel.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
We can multi layer here from what I started with
and then carry it on to places you've been stuck
one three seven, four, seven, eight hundred the Big One.
And there are better places than others to be stuck
if you're going to be, you know, in a situation
like that big by way of weather or by way
of you know, mechanical issues or otherwise five one three seven,

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four nine seven eight hundred The Big One. Talk Back
the iHeartRadio app to Pleasant Plan and Lou with Sterling
than Larry and others on seven hundred WLW Lou what's
going on?

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Well starring excuse me, Sterling. I've been listening, and uh,
I just have two things. One is my opinion, and
it could be certainly discussed. It's just a just an opinion.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
That's all we have.

Speaker 6 (20:44):
That's that's right. The one factor that I don't hear
anybody talking about is that over the last few years,
the fuel economy on most vehicles. Now I'm not saying
that the big truckers and all this business, but on
on a lot of the newer vehicles, the mileage has
just jumped, I think astronomically in per gallon of gas used. Efficient, Yes,

(21:13):
absolutely more efficient. Now I know when when you look
at the news. The cost per gallon is shocking because
we're used to cheaper gas. But nobody, really, nobody has
really figured out the cost per mile to go based
on today's gallon of gas as opposed to what it

(21:36):
was a few years ago when the mileage was so
much less.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Right, tends on the vehicle that you're riding.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Obviously, I totally get what you're saying, but either way,
you're spending more for whatever amount it takes to get
you from point eight to point B. And they've cut
back a lot of people. I mean, I know a
lot of people have really supersized big you know vehicles, SUVs,
trucks for work or otherwise. I mean, it's painful filling
up a big tank, regardless of how efficient it is,
because it's still it's a thirsty vehicle.

Speaker 6 (22:05):
No, no, I totally agree. And that was just a
comment that I never heard anybody at least mentioned. I
have a business and run three trucks every day. The
one thing that really bothers me, and I don't know
how it affects other people, is when I get a
bill for something that somebody did for me and I

(22:29):
have a fuel surcharge.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Oh, Yeah, absolutely, I.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Think that is I think that is a slap in
the face to everybody. I mean those of us in business.
Has anybody ever seen a higher medical insurance surcharge? No,
or a higher unemployment compensation surcharge? No, it's it's only

(22:57):
this this fuel. And granted it is an additional cost,
there's no question about it. But I think getting a
we're all either in business or we're customers of someone else.
We pay it one way or another. But I think
getting a fuel surcharge directly on your bill is really

(23:18):
a slap in the face. If you've got a rising cost,
put it in your hourly rate or or put it
in your cost of doing business. But I think a
surcharge the surcharges dragging me.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Do oh, I totally get it, Lou. I appreciate the call,
and you're right, I've seen that on a good number
of things. Appreciate you listening too. I mean it's painful.
I'll tell you where else you get Nichol and Dindon,
I've never seen this, and maybe you have, and then
we'll get to Dwight and Larry and Kendon and others.
Five point three seven hundred The big one is sterling.
It for ken Brew just the other day. Place I
go regularly a regional restaurant chain, and I will often

(23:56):
pay cash, but sometimes people at annoy with cash.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I was short of cash. Are you was the card?

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Then I see that they ding me for a search
charge for using the credit card, whereas then you get
gas some places and they give you a gas price
but a cheaper credit card price. So I mean everywhere
you go, somebody's squeezing you some way or another. I'd
like to do some of the squeezing, but that sounded
bad to fay Pill. And Kendon was a sterling on

(24:22):
the big one than Larry ands White and others. Here
on a Saturday afternoon, Kendon, So have you been stranded
isolated someplace by weather or otherwise?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
How'd you navigate it?

Speaker 12 (24:32):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (24:32):
Yeah, I got a good one for you, Sterling. I've
diagnosed with a visual PAIRMIDS, so I can't drive. So
I'm already in a fun spot. So four o'clock on
a Monday morning, I.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Have to get to the High State.

Speaker 8 (24:42):
There's a blind s clup of Columbus. First off, do
you remember about two winters ago though, when there was
that super big snowstorm rolled through the Cincinnati Tri State area.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
I was here for part of that. I do. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (24:55):
So we're going through that. We're driving up seventy five
in like a I don't even know Chrysler minivan something
not a very fuel efficient vehicle, and we're I'm supposed
to be at school at eight, get there at someone
guidly hour. We get stuck on seventy five because there
was ice on the highway and we went through like
two thirds of a tank already.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
We're just sitting there.

Speaker 8 (25:17):
My driver's nodding, Oh, I'm convinced they were on something.
But that's besides the point. So I'm just sitting there
and I'm looking around and there's just all these cars
and we're just at a dead stop. That was one
of the weirdest, most surreal experiences. And not only does
that tell me that fuel efficiency does matter at this point,
it also tells me that whether it's such a big factor,

(25:37):
and we have someone in my situation, it really it
means the difference between getting somewhere on time and just
truly missing something. But I know, it's like not the
most interesting.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Story, but no, it's extremely interesting. Listen.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
I have family, that or deal with issues of blindness
or site loss in some fashion in anybody who you
don't think about it. Just imagine the isolation and the dependency.
Even with the technology and education you may have with it,
you're still dealing with other people, you know, in a
lot of situations to navigate this life. So yeah, I
can understand that frustration in that sort of an insecurity

(26:11):
situation too. You want to be around people that you
can trust because you just don't know no.

Speaker 8 (26:16):
And you're absolutely right though, And that brings up another
good point that you mentioned, the future of transportation and
power as a whole. I mean, gas is obviously still
the biggest medium. I think we're at a point where
I can safely say the EV craze is dying, which
in this climate is is a good thing. But I'm
hoping there is a future where we have gas part cars,

(26:37):
but we can also coexist with evs. But I don't
know how we far we are to that, but that's
another story for.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
A different days.

Speaker 8 (26:43):
Well, you know what I got to get out of her, Stirling.
You have a great day with you too, man.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I appreciate you listening.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
One of the things that and it got political when
I was just asking earlier about the issue of gas
prices in staycations or changing your travel plans for the
increased cost. And there's more a head of a way
even if everything in the strait of hormone opened up
like you flush the toilet. And that's not political. But
if I were to mention, since he mentioned evs, the
fact that hybrids or batteries would be a benefit for

(27:12):
all of us, I mean, think about your retirement portfolio,
your investments. You tend to be diversified so that if
something takes it in the shorts in one way, you're
not feeling that pain across your entire holding in your portfolio.
I don't see that any differently as an energy policy
for a company, whether it's you know, having a solar
on your roof or whatever else. It is in batteries

(27:32):
in some cases for a lot of the stuff that
we use, and then it is for petroleum and other
fossil fuel type product situations. But you say that in
some circles and say, you know what, I want every
option possible to better ourselves.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's no different than in war.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I want every tool possible to eliminate the danger and
the threat in a war situation, which is meaning effectively
to kill the enemy. So I mean I would want
the same thing to power us as a nation in
any possible way without the death part five one, three hundred,
the big one. Larry, it's your turned into white on

(28:05):
a Saturday, sterling for ken Brew. What's going on, Larry
or greetings, hey man.

Speaker 13 (28:10):
You're talking about the weekend rides.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
The Great Ohio.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Venture Trail goes from eastern.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
Cincinnati to Cleveland.

Speaker 15 (28:19):
It's a thousand mile.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Trip, mostly back roads. You can do it your motorcycle.

Speaker 15 (28:25):
Oh cool, full will drive front, will drive car and
you know, then if you need to get back, just
hop one seven one head back to Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
That sounds the right way to see the city.

Speaker 9 (28:38):
See the state.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, you see all the small towns in America. It's
and it's right here in our backyard.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
See that's that's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I mean, you're still gonna have to cough up some
cash to get around with fuel, but either way, I mean,
and it is a beautiful part of the country.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Larry.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I appreciate the call, man, thank you. And that's sort
of what I'm talking about. Within a short drive there
is a whole lot to see and do, and we
already know that it's of people come to you know,
the Cincinnati, USA for everything we have to offer and
staycation wise, there's a lot for all of us if
you're if you're local too, Let's get Bethel's and Dwight
and then Steve on a seven hundred WLUW Dwight.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
What do you have?

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Have you been stuck isolated someplace or just dealing and
feeling with the pain of gas?

Speaker 7 (29:19):
No, I just listened, I have. I'll just quick it. Okay,
I'm seventy eight years old, going to be seventy nine
year year congratulations. Okay, listen, I have been near you. Okay,
I mean I retired, which that's never mind. That's all right. Listen.

(29:40):
I want to know why. Okay, this country. I love
President Trump. I love President Trump. He's done everything for
us compared to what Biden did. He blushes out and
told it in him and in him and Obama. That's
all right, listen. I'll want to know why. Okay, who

(30:02):
controls the oil prices?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
It's a it's a market that people trade. I tell you,
I'm giving you the answer. What people trade it the
way you buy other stocks. It's a commodity on a
global scale.

Speaker 7 (30:18):
So no, we this is an oil rich country, A gas,
a gas.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Comes from that.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Now, why why don't we control.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Because it's a global market and those oil gas companies
oil companies, and this world as we know it, it
is a big marketplace where all of these things are
sold and traded and processed and used. And our issues
as far as processing oil products in one fashion or another,
are much more built for certain types of oil than

(30:55):
other oil produced in certain parts of the world as well.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
And it's a huge market. It's trade daily.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
You may even have it in your retirement portfolio now,
whether you realize it or not. And that's sort of
how it works. The supplied demand and demand is stolid
and growing, and supply has been pinched, to say the least,
by about what twenty percent or so, just coming out
of the story to horror moves, even though you know,
my two to eleven gas was close to five dollars.

(31:22):
Now it's being felt across the board. I mean, that's
about as plainly as I can explain it. You can't
just shut everything down and start sucking off the pipe
of the oil here stateside. As much as it makes
sense that we should be able to do that, you
can't because there's a whole world that is trading in
that commodity. It will destabilize everything else and it would

(31:43):
not be good.

Speaker 7 (31:45):
But okay, so so another word, you're kind to tell
me that the United States of America, Yeah, the greatest
country in the whole world. Correct, we are? Okay, Okay,
then why can't we do it on our own?

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I just hold you because it's a global marketplace if
we shut it down and just take hours. And those
oil companies are in the business of making money, just
like you or me. So their profit, which is somewhere
in the neighborhood of shy of or arguably about a
billion dollars a day a month, rather on a regular basis,

(32:20):
and maybe it is a billion dollars a day effectively
stretched out, is going to be more now because they're
selling at higher prices across the board. That's about as
cleanly as I can explain it to it. I hope
that helps Dwhite, But I don't know that.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
I okay, Okay, my mistake, there's no no, don't understand.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
There's no mistake. Listen, I'm a short on time. I
want to get to Steve too before we go. I
appreciate the call. I don't know that I explained that
as clearly as I could have or should have. But
I'm just a guy here trying to make sense of
the world, too, Steve, what do you have you're with
sterling on your.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Ye been a long time.

Speaker 15 (32:58):
Listen to your back and date when you were in town.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
But yeah, that's been a minute.

Speaker 15 (33:04):
It's been a little while. Yeah, But you know the
thing that kind of you know, I don't understand is
this either or mentality when it comes to EV. Now,
I I'm not gonna bore you with how many gas
powered cars I own and what they are, but you
would think that I was bragging.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Okay, so no, but.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
You don't have here worre short on some I have
to ask this. Do you have a lift at your
house to do work on the vehicles at your house?

Speaker 3 (33:30):
I do?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Now I'm jealous, but go ahead, go ahead. Now see
that's all I needed to hear. Now, I'm very jealous.

Speaker 15 (33:36):
Go ahead, but I but I am currently driving my
Chevy Bolt. EV it's the right tool.

Speaker 9 (33:42):
For the job right now.

Speaker 15 (33:44):
Yes, it cost me about thirty dollars last week to drive.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Back and forth to work.

Speaker 15 (33:48):
It's you know, and I take the you know, the
other cars out you know, as needed. But it doesn't
have to be one or the other. And I don't
understand why it's you know, it's always.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Close that one or the other, because I think it's
easy to play that game, and there's best an interest
with people with billions and billions of dollars at stay Steve.
I enjoy your lift and home oil changes and work
in the car lot that you got. I'm very jealous.
I like cars and I would love a lift at
the house. All right, straight away, you got your one
o'clock report. I believe we have conversation I had with

(34:22):
doctor Ian Rowby. He's an expert in security, in seafaring issues,
maritime law, and the issue of all that oil and
all that's being blocked up in the straight of horror moves.
We'll talk about that, talking about isolation and stuck someplace.
Over twenty thousand people on those ships, those vessels stuck
there for what how since sixty days?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Right? And for how much longer? Nobody knows.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
That's coming up after the news or one o'clock report
here with the reds play later on this afternoon in
Pittsburgh on the home of the Retch. Seven hundred w WELW,
Cincinnati running for office meets. It's still happening. It's blocked.
It's you'd call a plumber if it was your toilet
oral waterway out of your home with waste.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
But we're talking oil.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
We're talking supplies and fertilizer and so much more that
affects our lives. The strait of horror moves the war
with the Iran who benefits? The crisis of energy. Do
you hear that rising prices of just about everything gas
close to five dollars now not good? The day before
the war, I got it for two eleven nine. It
is now around five dollars and it's not going to

(35:29):
get lower anytime soon. So an ongoing energy crisis, collateral damage,
and what about the twenty thousand or more individuals on
these vessels stuck in the middle of this small place
is literally sitting ducks.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
It's difficult.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Welcome back to the show, the headman in charge, the
CEO of ir Concilium, doctor Ian Ralby. Welcome to seven
hundred WLW with Sterling you may have been seen or
heard in the past on Sky News and ABC News
and BBC and here with Sterling tonight. We appreciate you
making time. How you doing I'm doing well. Thanks, It's
always going to be back with you. Absolutely appreciate your time.

(36:08):
Let's start with the blockade and where we are. There
are minds still clogging this up. We have blockaded Iran.
Iran has blockaded the in and out of the strait
at this point. Moving ahead for those who have resources
that are stuck, and obviously everyone here there and everywhere
else seemingly especially Asia and China and elsewhere, trying to

(36:31):
obviously get that black gold oil into their tanks and
whatever other operations they have. If it were to end today,
how long would it take for this to sort of
clear out this clog and sort of help get things
moving again as it should.

Speaker 16 (36:50):
Yeah, it's a great question. I think we have three
different layers of challenge here. The first is the physical challenge.
So even if everything got totally fined who clean today,
we'd still have the issue of the minds and other
potential hazards that may have been put in the water
in order to enforce this blockage of the straight or

(37:11):
hoore moves, and that will take months to clear. So
before we end up with a complete free flow of commerce,
we're going to need to make sure all the seafarers
are safe and all the ships are protected from being
blown up while in transit. So that's point number one.
We got to deal with that, and that's going to
take months. Point number two, though, is that even when

(37:32):
a conflict ends, even if there's a great piece deal,
even if everybody seems to be happy with it, the
insurance premiums called war risk premiums, don't go down straight away.
In fact, they can last for years. So the cost
of going through there is still going to be high,
even if there isn't this tollboo scheme or any other
kind of imposition of some kind of charge. So that's

(37:54):
going to keep prices high for a little while. But
the biggest issue is that we're still looking about five
years between now and when all the maritime and oil
and gas infrastructure that was damaged in the war is
all back up online, and so that's going to take
us a while. And so before the war we had
about one hundred and thirty to one hundred and fifty
ships going through every day, and they were carrying a

(38:14):
huge percentage of the words world's oil and gas and fertilizer,
and that just isn't going to come back anytime soon.
So the increased prices and the decreased opportunities for some
countries to access supplies is looking like a longer term problem.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Doctor Ian Rabbie's a maritime security expert, knows from shipping,
transporting and keeping these massive vessels going where they have
to go. You mentioned the insurance costs associated, so we
know obviously everything eventually gets passed down to the consumer.
Even though we don't get a lot of those resources
other than fertilizer and so forth, which is really actually

(38:50):
a quite substantial thing. Those are passed on to the
customer too, whether it's China and elsewhere. How much of
an effect is this ding on insurance going to add
to crops being taken care of, whether they're in the
backyard or whether they end up at our local Kroger.

Speaker 16 (39:09):
Well, I think we're all already operating on pretty thin
margins of error here. We've gotten hit over and over
again between the pandemic, inflation, tariffs, all kinds of different
things that have hurt some of the small businesses, the
agricultural businesses, local farmers and others. And so when you
start niickeling and diming people already under intense pressure, it

(39:32):
becomes really problematic. And so unfortunately, these even small increases
are on top of already existing hardship, and so this
is not good news for anyone who's trying to overcome
some of the challenges of the last few years and
get back on their feet. And especially when you look
at the transportation costs of everything. If you are trying

(39:55):
to move anything into or out of not only the country,
but within the country, the cost just went up, as
you said, from a couple of dollars a gallon into
almost five now. And that isn't just about this country.
If you look at what the costs are elsewhere, it's
much much higher. They've seen an even bigger increase. And

(40:16):
when you translate that into shipping, it means that when
you import a container of goods from anywhere, forget the terrorists,
you're already looking at a much much greater price because
of that cost of fuel, and that is the biggest
price differentiator in terms of shipping costs in normal times.
And so this is a really intense burden economically that
will have all kinds of effects on everything because ninety

(40:38):
percent of world trade is happening by sea. No matter
what we're using, no matter what we're buying eating. If
you go to the grocery store, you go to the
shopping mall, you're going to find that many different boats
had brought all of those goods to wherever you are
buying them, and if all of them have added costs,
it's just going to be much more painful at the checkout.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Doctor Ian Rowbie is the guy behind Irconcilium dot com.
He also is previously the adjunct Professor of Maritime Law
and Security at the US Department of Defense's Africas Center
for Strategic Studies with Stirling on seven hundred WLW. So
there's collateral damage to this, and when China pays more

(41:20):
or anywhere else, if we're getting stuff from there and
they're paying more than we have to pay more than
to get here, Because I mean, it's almost multiple layers
of stinging pain that we're going to be affected with
over period. Designed But I don't even mentioned tariff stuff.
What also is interesting to me, and you mentioned the
insurance cost all these vessels, and you would know this

(41:42):
better than I. I've saw two different numbers, one in
excess of twenty thousand and one just it was I
think just over twenty thousand of maritime seafares effectively on
these vessels of all kinds that are stuck out there.
How do they get food, water, sanitation and everything else
aside from warring about a missiles that goes astray or

(42:02):
with delibered intent to add more a fear intrepidation involved
in this engagement.

Speaker 16 (42:09):
Yeah, I really appreciate you bringing that up, because you know,
when we say things like ninety percent of worlds and
trade is happening by sea, we often forget that that
is actually brought by human beings, men and women who
are actually carrying those goods on those ships, and it
is incredibly difficult for them. They are not security professionals,
they're not military, They were not trained to withstand either

(42:29):
the psychological or physical challenges of dealing with missiles, and
so not only are their lives genuinely at risk. Many
ships have been intact and hit, they are also, as
you say, facing all kinds of complications, and that you know,
some of them were supposed to have gotten home two
months ago. You know, they were at the end of

(42:50):
a journey. This was not supposed to be an indefinite
work trip, and so they're stuck in the Gulf and
there is no end in sight for them at the moment,
and so the mental hardship the physical hardship are both intense. Now.
The good news for them in terms of this situation
versus some others is that many of those Gulf courts

(43:12):
have extremely good seafair wellness entities. The non governmental organizations
that look after seafair is do a very good job
and there's a lot of attention being paid to That
doesn't make it really all that nice and easy, though,
and many of them are living with an incredible trauma
from literally having dodged missiles in the first couple of

(43:33):
days and weeks of the war. So this is not
a good situation for the people who are carrying our
goods and doing the hard work of actually making world
trade happen.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
It's a very challenging I mean, Robbi appreciate you making
time with Stirling on the Big One in an association
with that.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
So you're saying.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
They're servicing these vessels currently in the midst of this,
because we talked a couple weeks ago about issues of piracy,
of stealing tankers and cargo ships and so forth, in
issues of law dealing with that. But here everyone is
just sort of anchored and stuck there. Are they allowing
the transportation of what is necessary in taking care of
these vessels and these individuals or are they just living

(44:12):
off stock, existing and hoping this ends Because they are
serviced regularly from port to port depending on their journeys, Yes.

Speaker 16 (44:19):
That's exactly right. We call them husbandry services. They're you know,
getting fresh water and.

Speaker 11 (44:24):
Food and fuel itself for the vessel to be able
to run.

Speaker 16 (44:29):
And many of the vessels in the area are getting that.
There are, however, exceptions, and that is one of the
challenges the region has been facing for years. We've seen
in the region many vessels abandoned by owners who've gone insolvent.
And there's a lot of insolvency happening right now. So
as the owner goes bankrupt, the vessel basically gets abandoned
with a crew still on it, and nobody's actually providing

(44:50):
those goods, that food, that water, and so we've heard
horror stories of crews having to fish off the side
of a ship, lighting spires on the deck in order
to stay alive because there's no one looking out for them.
And fortunately though we have seen a better you know,
attention paid to that issue specifically in the Gulf region

(45:12):
and so hopefully their immediate needs are being looked after.
But it is dire, and I do want to point
out the piracy issue is also illuming concern because three
ships taken by pirates in the last.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Week, and.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
You're dropping in and out there, if you could say
it again the last week, So I wasn't all right,
you said multiple ships in the last week, not just
the one off the coast of Somalia that I mentioned,
three others because that was two weeks ago.

Speaker 16 (45:40):
Yeah, so we're we've seen three in the last week
and a half successfully taken by pirates. That is an
enormous uptake in not only piracy activity but.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Successful piracy attacks.

Speaker 16 (45:53):
It's probably the most successful week in the region for
piracy since about twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
So it's a really big problem.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Now I'm curious about this because I know there are
issues of law, and the law international waters is different
than if you're off the coast of you know, the Atlantic,
off Philadelphia, or obviously you know, if you're inland and
you're coming up the Ohio with coal or other stuff,
because obviously a lot of shipping up and down the Mississippi,
the Ohio River and elsewhere and down to the gulf.

(46:22):
How does security work? And we only have about four
minutes or so, so, I mean, maybe this is a
difficult question. But there are a lot of layers to
the legality of it, the limitations of it, the training
of it, the vulnerability. These crews aren't trained to deal
with the stress of this, as you just mentioned, let
alone the worry about guarding someone who might be trying
to climb up where they've dropped that anchor exactly.

Speaker 16 (46:44):
Now, there are a couple of layers. The first is
what's called vessel hardening, and that is where you do
have the crew at least aware that they are maybe
going to be under some threat, and so they do
things to try to protect the ship, like putting barbed
wire around the gunnals in order to make nobody can
easily climb on board. And you make sure that you
have protocols in place, like having a citadel where the
crew can go and lock itself in. It's hard to

(47:05):
get into and make sure that there are provisions in
there and things so that the crew can survive. But
there are all kinds of other challenges. You know, when
you're out on the high seas outside of the territorial
waters of a state, you can have other types of security.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
You can have arm guards on the ship.

Speaker 16 (47:22):
You can't have that import you can't have that in
the near shore areas, and so many of the ships
that are stuck in the Gulf do not have armguards
on board. Additionally, there is no way that a private
merchant commercial vessel can protect itself from inbound drones and missiles.
And this is one of the biggest challenges that we're
now seeing is that ships are the target for not
only the Iranians now, but we're the target for the

(47:45):
Houthis from twenty twenty three onward. And so this is
a growing challenge for maritime commerce because how do you
protect ships against missiles that are particularly military focused in
terms of their design and their execution. This is a
whole new world of rethinking security for commerce because navies

(48:05):
do not have the bandwidth to cover the amount of
maritime traffic that is occurring around the world and they
just could not keep up with about sixty thousand commercial
vessels that might need security if this kind of problem spreads.
So we're in a critical moment for world commerce.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Well, there are so many things that are sort of
teetering in a plates being spun currently. What have I
not asked that it's relevant to this or anything else
that you think, Well, this is a glaring thing that's
been overlooked in conversations you've had with people, because we
see on BBC and ABC News and Sky News and
elsewhere in print. Doctor Ian Ralby was sterling on the
big one.

Speaker 16 (48:42):
Well, I think the last point is just what's going
to happen with this whole you know, competing blockage and blockade. Well,
I think one of the concerns that we have to
now worry about is copycats elsewhere. And this is something
that has popped up this week because just as the
Iranians have charged Hole for some of the vessels that
were going through before the US imposed the blockade, there

(49:04):
is now talk of potential tolling in other straits around
the world. And if that starts to happen, we see
a complete change in maritime commerce and dynamics because vessel
owners will not pay for that, and if they do,
we're all actually the ones that are going to be
paying for it. And so if we see one country
be allowed to do it, if Iran is allowed to.

Speaker 11 (49:23):
Do it with Oman as a joint venture, or Iron
does it with the US as a joint venture, the
cost of all of our goods continues to go up
and up, and so we're in a situation where we
need to make sure we really think through any kind
of policy choice, no matter how short term.

Speaker 16 (49:38):
Beneficial it may seem, because in the long term it
may harm us.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
All tenuous times interesting times. As my uncle would say
when I was a little kid, I hope you don't
live through interesting times. And yet here we are great
perspective and insights. Thank you for making time for us
and doing what you do, Doctor Ian Robby Ireconcilium dot com.
Take care of yourself and we'll have you again.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
So thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Take care yourself. Will come back quick break. Your ten
thirty report is straight away. Kevin Carr, my friend from
the Chubby and Stick podcast, gonna join us. We'll get
into his hat about what's new with the movies and
so much more. Coming back on a Thursday night, Sterling
the Nation station, what you're listening to seven hundred wulw.
I say that was from the other night and we
couldn't get it to edit at the end, but I

(50:20):
wanted to play it because I think it's relevant as
it was the other evening, as it is today on
a Saturday, Sterling. Kevin Carl though is still coming up.
We'll talk movies and more on a Saturday. And for
Ken Bruce, seven hundred wlw this means having something seven

(50:42):
hundred wlw. My man. We were partners in the Chubby
and Stick podcast, which wasn't us. We were acting as characters.
So anything that you come across when you stream that,
it means that we're not responsible for because they're just characters, right,
Kevin Carr, Silver Gecko on the substack.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Is that how we got around that? Legal and so forth?

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Hello?

Speaker 9 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay there did we do anything highly illegal?

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I don't know if we did anything illegal. There may
have been some things distasteful. I don't even know, but
I was just thinking about that. I was, you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (51:14):
Hey, look, I lived my life in bad days. That's
how it works, just.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Animated figures it's not our fault. It really isn't. I'm
not responsible.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Uh, let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Uh, because we talked about the Michael Jackson biopic deal,
however sanitized it is because the family had a you know,
big hand in it, which makes sense.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Obviously.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
You don't want to look at all the nasty stuff
necessarily unless you hate Dad, uh generally, or you as
shocked at how big this first week or whatever it's
been of that Michael movie has been because I mean
you could almost hear the cast registers ringing.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Now.

Speaker 9 (51:48):
Well, yeah, I mean, I let's put it this way.
I shocked is probably a little hard of a word.
I was kind of mildly surprised that it did as
well as it did. I knew it was tracking well,
but it really overperformed. And uh that's that. That was
a little bit not I mean it just normally musical
biopicaus don't do that. Well. It's the highest one. It

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made almost one hundred million dollars over the weekend, which
is phenomenal really for any movie that you're like talking about,
like you know, like a big Marvel movie, just making
a hundred million is is not that great. But this
was this was a powerhouse. Will it translate to a
second movie?

Speaker 6 (52:31):
Nah?

Speaker 9 (52:31):
I don't know, because really, if you wanted to look
at Michael Jackson stuff in his heyday, you know, from
from the Jackson five to Bad that was probably that.
That's the mother load of his hits. You know, the
stuff after it is really more for the fans who
followed him. Same thing like for everyone from Madonna to
the Muppets. You know Madonna stuff, it's all up the

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Vogue and and then everything after Vogue was sure if
you like Madonna, but not a whole lot of people.
It didn't hit the mainstream as well. Muppets, same thing.
Every time you do the best of the Muppets, they're
singing it ain't easy being green, and you're like, that
thing's from the sixties.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
But it made me smile just hearing you say it.
And I wasn't here in the sixties really, so it's
just a different thing. Talking to Kevin Carr, by the way,
Silvil Gecko and sub Stack about the Michael movie and
so forth. You know what's interesting you just said about
that is and you mentioned Madonna. I saw her on
some show and she was they asked her about a
biopic of something, and she was like, well, the only

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way it's gonna be done is if I do it
because I know how it really was or whatever. And
on one hand, if it's you and you want to
make sure you're represented and you want to protect yourself
in some fashion, I get that. But we kind of like,
or at least I do the warts and all objective
look at something. Where do you stand on that, because
I mean, you've seen everything and I look back. I mean, like,
I like the Doors movie, but it wasn't like the

(53:52):
greatest thing ever. And you talk to some people and
they're like, oh, it was the best movie, was exactly
the way it was. I'm like, I don't know that
it really was.

Speaker 9 (53:59):
Well, I think I think it's different when if it's
if it's just a biopic of a person, like a
like a political figure or even like an actor or
just you know, somebody from history. Lincoln. Uh, when when
Stielberg made Lincoln that did not have the same reaction
from the audience that that they did, Michael, people weren't
dancing in the aisles during Lincoln, you know, so, well

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that would be a little weird.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
And it's it's a somber thing. It's the nation's beginning.

Speaker 9 (54:33):
But like something like, uh, you know, any of these,
especially these more recent ones, they did sort of recreating that, uh,
the sort of concert experience. It's not exactly the same,
but but they've really leaned into that, especially with all
of the all of the distractions and competition that movie
theaters have with everything at home, not just TV and

(54:55):
streaming but the internet and phones and and everything else
that we can do. Is in this day and age
that they do have to still make it an event,
so they really lean into making it as close as
you can to a concert, even doing concert films again,
everything from One Direction to Taylor Swift and Beyonce. They
those movies tend to do well. And I remember when

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The Talking Heads was not making sense came back in
the theaters that had a little bit of a run
and that thing was what from the late eighties that
Jonathan Demi directed.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Now, how cool was that?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
And I think they came through I wanted to go
and I had a conflict. They played the taff with that,
and they came in and sort of talked about it
a little bit, which I think is pretty cool with Yeah, So.

Speaker 9 (55:37):
I mean it's it's kind of it's them them being
Hollywood and the theater owners or organized like NATO, not
not not the political NATO, but the theater orders in NATO.
Those groups and those people, they want to give people
a reason to go to the theater. And that sort
of communal concert experience is why that works really well

(56:00):
for movies as opposed to watching something small, you know,
quiet and contemplative and you got other people watching their
phones and talking and you know, spilling popcorn and making
out in the back and all that kind of stuff. Uh,
you know, you you can get that at home.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, it's very true. What's new this weekend? That is
your pick of the week that you get to go
see or have gotten to go see to let us
know about it, because I mean, there's so many movies.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
You pick one and you sort of super servant. So
what's what's on what's on deck?

Speaker 9 (56:28):
Well, the big one this week is the Devil Wears
product too.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Oh yeah, which is I.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Know, Russ Jackson is excited about that. He is all thrilled.

Speaker 9 (56:37):
Yeah, I don't know, because it was so weird. You know,
my father when the when the first one came out,
my dad this is not his kind of you know,
you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
He didn't care about what He was a scientist, right,
he was.

Speaker 9 (56:48):
He's a science guy, and you know he's an old
he was an old fart. He passed away about five
years ago. But but when the first Devils product came out,
he went, for some reason, went to go see it
and he loved he loved the movie. And I mean
he would he would talk to him talk about it.
I'm like, this is not your kind of movie. It
couldn't had that sort of bullying storyline. He liked, you know,

(57:09):
her kind of taking taking charge, you know, in Hathaway's
character taking charge. But some people really love this movie.
But I mean it was fine. But I really haven't
thought about The Devil of Prada for a while. And
now they've got this thing back, and it's you know,
there's been a lot of unnecessary legacy sequels. This is
probably the unnecessariest of all of them. If you love

(57:34):
the first movie. Yet it's kind of the gang's all there,
and you know, Stanley Tuci does is the best in
the of the bunch. But you know, everyone's back for
another round. So yeah, you've got Street and Blunt, and
half Away, and you know all these people that made
the first film so interesting. It's directed by David Frankel,
who did the first one, I believe, but it is

(57:54):
it does. It does feel like a retread for sure.
It's it's not as fresh, but you would never expect
it to be. Although I found it weird that Miranda
Priestley doesn't change her hairstyle in twenty years.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Well, I mean, you know I have, but I got
help with nature.

Speaker 9 (58:09):
Well you all you also don't edit a fashion maga.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Very true, It's very true. It's very true. That is
odd how they do that of all the sequels and
everything else. Because you say, I mean say, it sounds
like a retread. Do you think that your pops would
have appreciated it just for the sake of what it is?

Speaker 11 (58:29):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Because I mean that's interesting because I would have at
the time, I remember we talked about it. I wouldn't
have believed that he would have been into it either.

Speaker 9 (58:34):
Yeah, you've met my daddy. He's cool with not you
like it would make we could say what was one
of his favorite movies? It would be way down the
list that you would guess. But you know, I think
he probably would have been a little disappointed, isn't it,
Because it's sort of like when you watch a TV
show and there's growth in the characters through the season, Yeah,

(58:56):
and then to make the next season interesting, they kind
of have to reset everyone to square one. And that's
one of the problems with reboots and uh and like
sequels is well, these there's a certain development that you
saw in Miranda's character in the in the first film,
and same thing with character and Andy, but they kind

(59:17):
of all go back to being a bunch of jerks,
you know, because you gotta have that drama at the beginning.
They can't all be friends now.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
The contract is part of the what works.

Speaker 9 (59:28):
It feels manufactured at times. And I mean, I don't
think I'm not in the fashion industry, but I don't
think the fashion industry has changed as dramatically over the
last twenty years as even just media in general, or
film or medicine. You know, there's so much you know, technology,
there's so much growth, but it's the fashion industry is

(59:50):
again kind of just the same thing. They might just
have some other tools. It's just close are closed.

Speaker 12 (59:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I say, you're not into style in fashion, but I
mean you got your drift on.

Speaker 9 (01:00:04):
Oh, I know, I got You know, I can be
a little bit of a snack sometimes if people want to,
you know, see me called up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, yeah, it might be a Missus Carr, but I
just never no talking to Kevin Carr. He's silver Gecko
on substack or the new Devil's Where's product too?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I guess they'd give it a name and so on.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
You know, we've done in the past talked about like
good sequels, bad sequels, and so on. But the sequel
to the reboot, that's an interesting thing that I hadn't
really thought about that much. And there is a difference
that they have rebooted no shortage of movies from like
the eighties and even the early nineties at this point,
whether it's for like horror movies, kids stuff. I mean,
we talked about the Halloween going back to the late

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seventies and how that's been done and where do you see,
like I mean, I don't know, good to the sequel,
bad sequels, and then the reboot, because some of those
are better than others.

Speaker 9 (01:00:56):
Well, I mean they can both be good. They can
be good or bad. And what's funny is the whole
rebooting something that that started twenty years ago is relatively
new in terms of movies. I mean, they deal with
the monsters and stuff like that on TV, and you know,
you get remakes of like Get Smart or whatever. But
this is the kind of thing I remember back in

(01:01:19):
like it was like nineteen ninety two, they did a
sequel to Chinatown called The Two Jakes, which wasn't a
bad movie I did, but nobody saw it because it
was about a movie twenty years old that a lot
of people remember but hadn't seen recently. And back then, yeah,
you had VHS, but you didn't have the availability of
streaming to rewatch stuff like that, so that I think

(01:01:41):
I'd be curious to see whether that would have done
well in a different environment like this. But you know,
sometimes it's the reboots work. I mean, like I think
I'm not just talking about money making, because you obviously
Top Gun the reboot was one of the most profitable
movies of all time, but the uh, you got to
have the characters, You got to do something new with

(01:02:04):
the characters and something different, and you I think you
shouldn't destroy the growth and development of the characters. You
shouldn't tear down the previous films just to make your
movie work.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Yeah, I get that, and that works.

Speaker 9 (01:02:16):
That happens with sequels and reboots.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Now they have because we talked about the Mummy movies
and just recently because there's a variety of Mummy versions,
just like Frankenstein versions and so forth, and some of
those have been better than others. They did that with
the Crow as well, sort of coming in and fixing
those or changing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Those and something. I don't know if they fixed anything, well,
they probably have it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
And then there's the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles thing, which
is funny to me, and it somehow still stands up.
The same kids that I saw, like last weekend with
their Ellie de la Cruz jerseys headed down to the
ballpark for the game when I was getting ready to
come here also are into the like the teenage mutant
Ninja turtle thing. And then the different movies. Is they
like to tell me because they think I'm interested. I

(01:02:58):
am for this and talking to you, but in general
I'm like, I don't really.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Know it well.

Speaker 9 (01:03:03):
And what's weird is the teenage memant Ninja turtle movies.
Those are I think the animated stuff works better they've
done several different reboots of an animated animated style they
when they do the live action sometimes and that's I
think what happened with that that reboot with the weird
looking turtles. Are all CGI and sometimes they have to

(01:03:23):
justify something by going bigger and bigger and bigger. And yeah,
you had to have action set pieces and stuff, but
but you don't need to go grotesque. And I thought
that those Turtles, all those movies were mildly enjoyable. They
went grotesque, but then they went to this last one
that was kind of done in the artistic style of
the Spider Man into the Spider Verse movies, and that

(01:03:47):
was a really good one.

Speaker 12 (01:03:48):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:03:48):
It's it's you know, I think we're beyond the time
of having the Henson Workshop, you know, with the turtle
costumes that they had in the early nineties. But yeah,
it's it's more money does not make a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Better, That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Small movies can be great. How many of those do
you think are flops where they call up tons and
tons of cash. They usually don't do it two times,
but they'll throw a lot of money at something and
it'll just do nothing, go nowhere, and then sometimes stuff
sucks and then it finds live streaming or rebooted somehow.

Speaker 9 (01:04:20):
Well, yeah, Hollywood will always be spending way more than
it should on movies because what they do is they go, oh,
well we can, we should maybe dial back, and then
the movie like The Avengers makes a billion dollars a vote,
We're gonna do that now, and everything's got to be
The Avengers. And that's kind of what happened to Star Trek.
For example. They wanted Star Wars. They wanted the thing
that was a huge money maker, and even even the

(01:04:43):
best Star Trek movie was not like this massive juggernaut
at the box office. They basically served their purpose and
made the money they needed for the studio, but they
were waiting. They wanted a billion dollar Star Trek and
they never got it, and they just went and did
bigger and bigger and more action, which is not Star Trek.
You know what, No, no, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I was just gonna say, Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
The thing it's interesting to me is that Star Trek
initially was canceled like after two or three years, and
it was barely hanging on, and then it has this
resurgence and turned into the monster that it has been
now for decades as long, longer than either one of
us have been alive.

Speaker 9 (01:05:21):
Well, And I think one of the reasons why Star
Trek researched so well is could you have the original
series and then the animated series. But then when they
did the next generation, even though those were more expensive
because they were sci fi, those were like, we are
happy to be on syndicated TV. We are not trying
to make the biggest movie or TV show ever. And
they were able to get what was it like, four

(01:05:43):
new series out of it, with over like two hundred
episodes between all those series before you know, Enterprise it
was the last one, and then they waited a bit
and then rebooted with Discovery on CBS All Access back
back when that was Paramount Plus was the original name
of Paramount Plus. But I think again they've done it
where they they're spending too much money. They want to

(01:06:06):
make it too big, they want to make it the
big action movie. Everything wants to be the Avengers and
Start Trucks have never been like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
You do lose sight, Yeah, I think we should pitch
Chubby and Stick. We don't have to get big money.
We can get a syndicated thing. So I'm just saying,
there's we've got a passion. They're throwing all this money around,
we should get some. Russ Jackson has his hand up.
He wants some money to We all want some money.

Speaker 9 (01:06:31):
And that's the thing I think we could do. We
we are goofballs and we're up for anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
You know, that's true.

Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
You know, you don't need a lot of money for
for a good piece of movie. Take a great example
Aliens or excuse me, Terminator and Terminator two excellent movie
at the time. Yeah, they're both great movies. Terminator two
was the most expensive movie made at at that moment
at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (01:06:56):
And Terminator one, which is always like it was like
one of the first movies to have a budget of
I don't know if it was one hundred million, but
it was close to that really, or or it was
high maybe fifty or sixty at the time because we're
talking early nineties. Yeah, Terminator from nineteen eighty four was
like seven million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Yeah, it was cheap in relative terms. Seven mills seems
pretty big to me. But yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 9 (01:07:18):
Well, yeah, but I mean, you know, for a movie,
you can't make them. It's hard to make a movie
for seven million dollars now with everything just because of inflation,
because that was nineteen eighty four that was made. But yeah,
you can make a fantastic movie on the cheap and
you don't need to have the super special effects if
you've got a good story. And I certainly think the
First Terminator was a better written movie. The Second Terminator

(01:07:42):
had more g whizz.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Wow visual Absolutely. Kevin Carr is a silver gecko and substack.
You'll show up in your mailbox virtually, otherwise it would
be difficult to get through the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
In the little it age. It's in the name in
the tralban stick thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
And you can read about it as reviews and the
Calm and all sorts of other stuff that he does
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Thank you for making time and doing what you do.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
All right, Thank you always, pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
I'll talk to you soon. He's Kevin Carr. I'm sterling again.
He is a silver gecko. On Stubsack eleven o'clock report
straight away, Lee Mawin has that we'll come back. We'll
talk about getting r that's good enough. You can cut
that off. This that was from the other night of conversation.
I thought was relevant and we didn't edit it in
Technology is not always your friend, but good conversation always
With Kevin Carr Silver Gecko on substack two o'clock report

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coming up on the other side, I want to know
you're before and after event, something in your life that
changed you, that you is a pivotal point before and
then after college, marriage, divorce, maybe for good or bad,
A whole lot of other stuff, plus David bring the
pain Perdum from ESPN, Chuck and talk to the sports

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Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
We'll get it teed up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
As I mixed metaphors, is like the Reds right now
are at the gate if it were like the Kentucky
Derby or something like that. On the line to talk
betting and the business of it. Always good to talk
to him and I appreciate him making time for us
here on seven hundred wlw ESPN chalks David bring the
pain Purdam.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
How are you man?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 9 (01:09:38):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
I'm doing all right? I have to ask.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I was just thinking about this off the air because
we get the Flying Pig Marathon this weekend and there
are thousands and thousands of people from all over the
country and from some thirty countries I believe estimated, and
for this weekend also to run in this thing. And
I know we've discussed table tennis and other odd sporting activities.
What have you globally that people wager on? Do people

(01:10:01):
bet on marathons anywhere?

Speaker 9 (01:10:05):
I am sure you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Could find some odds somewhere. It's not something that I've
been asked before.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
I just wondered it just to hurt me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
I am sure if you looked, you could probably find
some odds. But it's certainly not a very popular map.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
That's what I was thinking. I mean, that's why I
have a car. But that's a whole other story. One
day I will do it, or at least a half marathon. Today,
of course, is a Derby Day, something that started way
back in eighteen seventy five. It's the oldest ongoing major
sporting event in these United States. Is the biggest horse

(01:10:43):
race basically arguably in the world. Some people would say
that the Grand National in Liverpool, England may be somewhere closer.
It's like a four and a half mile of course
on that one. How big business of betting is the
Derby or horse racing in general.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
No, it's the biggest horse rates for betting by far.
It drops off each Triple Crown race. Now if there
is a Triple Crown to tender, the bedding will stay.
But I believe it was last year it was like
one hundred and eight million, one hundred and eighty million,
I should say bet on the Kentucky Derby. The year
before that was a record over two hundred million. So yeah,

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you're getting big money wagered.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
On this race.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
That's a pretty amazing thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
And I remember going to the track when I was
a kid with my uncle, which I know some people
are like, oh, I can't believe it, but it was
a blast.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Having a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
When you look at the history of it and people
have talked about, okay, well, you know the industry has
struggled or whatever else. I don't want to dwell on.
I'm just wondering has it come back somewhat. When it
comes to the wagering, you mentioned one number that was
a record, estimates and so forth. It's always interesting to
me to sort of look at because you know, tough
times compared to good times. How much money when it
comes to wagering is actually a play.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Yeah, the Kentucky Derby is kind of an outlier. It's
so popular and kind of transcends into the pop culture
main stream. But your day to day horse racing, yeah,
it's struggled. It is declined, and they are trying to
figure out better ways to attract a newer, younger audience.
There's been talk of having fixed odds racing. Racing now

(01:12:15):
is bet on paramutual where the odds changed. So if
you were to bet a horse, say last week, at
fifteen to one, and a bunch of money came in
on him, well, now you're fifteen to one has changed
to five to one, and that's paramutual. Or whatever the
autumn may change to. So that has been a turn
off for some young betters who are used to betting
a point spread or whatever. When I bet minus seven,

(01:12:36):
that's what I'm expecting to get. So there have been
some states that have tried to fixed odds racing where
it would stay the same. Of course, you have the
prediction markets that are a big deal right now. None
of those are offering odds on the Kentucky Derby. Horse
Racing's Commission is very, very protective of the wagering on

(01:12:56):
its event. Prediction markets that were not allowed or chose
not to offer betting on the Conductee Derby this year.
So that's kind of an interesting thing as well, because
there the prediction market takes betting on anything from who
appears at the Super Bowl to what the announcer said.
But for some reason they said, yeah, you know, we're
not going to mess with the horse raising folks, and

(01:13:16):
we're not going to offer it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Interesting David bring the paint Pertum covers of the Business
of sports Betting for ESPN chalk with Sterling on seven
hundred WLW. We've touched on prediction market stuff before. You
just brought it up, so I don't want to touch
our toe into that water a little bit. How has
that looked upon the wagering issue, I mean compared to say,
like a wagering with stocks, which is effectively depending on

(01:13:38):
how you're living, what it is. How has that looked
at and how much can one trust it when there's
been stuff in the news about wagering about world events
that maybe someone would have insider information on. Because that's
what scares me about the prediction market thing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Yeah, it's a hot button topic right now, and there
have been cases and people arrested. I believe a US
military member was charged for betting on the Venezuela array
if we had a month or two ago, and making
a bunch of money through the prediction markets, and so
those are that's a concern certainly.

Speaker 14 (01:14:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
I think there's always different tiers, I will say, or
levels of insider trading in all sports betting. Anytime you
have a quarterback go out before a game or injured
before a game, and it's happened during the week, you
almost always see the point spread move in the hours
before the first report. Maybe it's an Adam Scheff report

(01:14:35):
for esp it'll come out. But if you look before
that report where that point spread was moving already, so
it's pretty clear that somebody knew things before the general public.
So it's a concern, but it's also kind of the
price to do a business. You just kind of kind
of know that that kind of stuff can't happen. Somebody's
going to have better information than you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
You know, a couple of maybe it's been a couple
of months now. I think it was certainly middle of
the off season for baseball, and we know that there
were some questions of players elsewhere that had been involved
in some questionable things about weird pitches and stuff that
you had talked about in the issue of pressure from
outside force is into it initially talking college stuff we

(01:15:19):
discussed and you had talked about the threats and stuff
that you know, these college athletes have had to take
from people who were wagering your others out there. How
is that policed and navigated by university and then also
the industry itself away from that, because that's a very
challenging circumstance.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Yeah, it's very difficult and it's very disheartening when you
hear the threats that young athletes face from guys that
lost to bet, and I always say I'm pretty stern
about it. If you feel that you need to lash
out a collegiate athlete, a young kid in his twenties
and teens because you lost a bet, well guess what,
You're not mature enough to bet. And I just think

(01:15:58):
that people have got to get it together and the
industry is trying to do things with it. For example,
a bet MGM announced that it will ban people if
they're able to connect, you know, social media posts to
any of their customer social media posts that are that
are threatening athletes. The leagues have been a very adamant,

(01:16:21):
the NCAA has been very adamant. But with all social media,
it's really difficult, right because it's so anonymous and there's
so many accounts, and people open up new accounts all
the time, so it's kind of whackable. You get one
and that boy, that guy's got another account here that
you don't know about. So it's a very very challenge
and it's very disheartening.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
As David bring to pain Purdam, ESPN Shalk cover sports
betting for them was Stirling on seven hundred WLW. We've
talked in the past, you know, guys in this area
that have gotten some attention Art Schleister of course with
issues of betting r Pete Rose and so forth, and
the issue you know, we've heard about the pressure and
the change of say college athletics specifically with nil stuff

(01:17:03):
and so on, and just in the news for Cincinnati quarterback,
you know, getting some attention with questions of addiction issues.
So not only do you have to worry about all
these other moving pieces and navigating it, it's also a
challenge when it comes to just the nature of that chasing,
that rush or whatever it is, when it comes to
putting money on the line. How difficult is that for

(01:17:24):
the business to look at that in and around college
athletes and that industry compared to say the pros or
is it all the same?

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
Yeah, so I'll read said it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
There's a little bit, you know, we have former Cincinnati
University of Cincinnati quarterback Brendan Soaresby this week announced that
he was entering a rehab for a sports betting addiction.
He has since transferred to Texas Tech. This is often
that he transferred to Texas Tech before they even get
to play a game. He is in an addiction thing

(01:17:57):
and it's sad, it's scary that it can get to
this point. And all these sources that I've talked to
as this kid was betting was described as high volume,
low stakes, So he's placing lots of bets people with
some reports that up to twenty a day, but there
are small amounts. But for whatever reason, he was compelled

(01:18:19):
to say, you know what, I think I have a
problem and I'm going to enter an addiction facility. And
good for him because gambling addiction, people may not know
it has a higher rate of suicide from people that
struggle with it than any kind of alcohol or drugs.
So things can really spiral out of control quickly. And
this new generation of young people are growing up with

(01:18:42):
this on their phones. And when you are young, your
frontal lobe of your brain is not fully developed, and
that is what controls the risk reward that triggers the dopamine,
and it gets very, very difficult for those kids. They
get wrapped up to control it properly. So I applaud
Brendan for going ahead and taking action to hope and

(01:19:04):
get in self help, what the next steps are and
what the industry can do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
It's tough, it really is so David brings the same
purdum Espn Schalk making a lot of sense there. It
also makes it tough as people enter the transfer portal
and they're going from here to somewhere else, and then
something like this comes up. You want to be supportive,
they want to help these student athletes, but they it
is a business also that becomes somewhat questionable. One about
how viable someone is to come into the fold at

(01:19:29):
a university or college here there or somewhere else. And
then also the question if they've already had a problem,
the pressures that may be put upon them to maybe
fade something one way or the other subtly that could
make a difference from getting somebody off their back as well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
No, yeah, I mean you know, Soorsby was said to
have received of a five million dollar contract that recorded
the ground to be that much from Texas Tech. And
so for him to go in there and then have
this problem probably you know, every thing he could do
not to go ahead and come out, but for whatever

(01:20:04):
reason he was compelled to do this. In now Texas
Tech is kind of trying to scramble it and seeing
what's next. Now sort of he is alleged to have
been a bet on a game upon Indiana. He was
an Indiana freshman quarterback at that time. And that's kind
of the red line for the NCAA. You bet on
the team you play for, or you bet on a
team at your school at you're attending at that time,

(01:20:26):
and you face the permanent and eligibility. So an Iowa
State quarterback had a very similar thing. He had bet
on an Iowa State game and that was it. He
was done. He was permanently ineligible. We have not heard
what the NCAA will do yet, but the president is
that they are permanently ineligible if you bet on your
own team.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Well, we hope that he gets healthy. That's the most
important thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Gets that education, and obviously if you can get that
kind of dough for playing some ball, whether it's the
college level or beyond, good for him. You don't want
to sacrifice and lose what could be effectively a lifetime's
worth of savings.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
More is we move through here. We're short on time,
only about two minutes or so.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
This is NBA playoff time, NHL playoff time, l MLS
is in action now. Major League Baseball. Certainly you know
We're just a month end of the season. This is
a pretty busy time for like betting and so forth.
Is this the biggest window with so much stuff going on,
or does it go to the NCAA basketball or where
are we in the scale of business?

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Yeah, it's among one of the busiest stretches. This may
when when you get the Kentucky Derby, you get the NBA,
the n HL playoffs in there, Major League Baseball is
in full swing, so it's certainly among the business. The
busiest weeks are the first two weeks of the NCAA
tournament that gets the most action almost annually. And then
the number one most bet thing, of course, is the
Super Bowl for one game that gets more betting attention

(01:21:49):
and more betting, more money bet on the Super Bowl
than any other US event. And then of course we
got the World Cup the summer, so no real slowdown.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
No, I was wondering about that. How that plays as
far as wagering is concerned. With it being stateside here,
probably more American money going to be thrown around than
obviously would be probably if it was elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
In the world.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent. You know, soccer is not the
most popular sport here, and when the World Cup is overseas,
the time difference makes it not as big of a
betting event as it is elsewhere here in the US.
Now that it's here in the States, people are coming
from all over the world. It's going to be interesting
to see the amount that's wagered on the World Cup

(01:22:29):
this year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Always good to talk to you, great information. You can
read him in ESPN chalk. You can see him occasionally
here there as well. It's a good thing. I'm on
radio more than TV.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
That's good. There's a reason for that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Anything else before we let you bounce, I really appreciate
you being so generous with your time and always is
sharing so much information.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
No, I guess go Cavs.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Huh, there you go. Yeah, why not.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Let's get them going and see how that goes. David,
bring the pain, ESPN chalk. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Catch up against so.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Take care of yourself. Yeah, and the calves are in it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
But this is certainly an exciting time with the playoffs
and NHL would have been nice if it could have
been a blue jack situation Jackets, but they sort of
folded at the end there and didn't get there, but
we'll see how it goes moving ahead. Brennanman and Jones
talking baseball straight Away, Speaking of such, Reds are in
Pittsburgh's second game, three game weekend series, look to bounce

(01:23:25):
back after a pounding they took last night. They got
to leave that in their rearview mirror. Today is another day.
On to the next one.

Speaker 6 (01:23:31):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
We'll kick the door on the inside, pitch open and
set this game up for you straight away on the
hull of your edge, the three o'clock reports straight Away
News Radio seven hundred w WELW, Cincinnati, Miami

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