Sterling 2/1/26

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Looking for the longest time. It's coming for us, all

(00:03):
artificial intelligence, the robots taking our jobs. The question, of course,
what is it that you and your kids and I
and Alex Egano's producing or Sandy Collins can do or
are willing to skill up around what we already do
to embrace AI and have a future where we're not
going I have no idea what I'm going to do
with my life. A guy who knows all about these things.

(00:27):
The director of AI Strategy and Harry Professor the University
of Cincinnati lending their College of Business, Jeff Shaeffer. Welcome
back to seven hundred WLW with Sterling. How are you
this fine Sunday?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm good. Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I appreciate you making time.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
So what is the first thing someone should look at
is they assess their current situation in looking ahead in
whatever industry, whatever trade, whatever it is that they do
to make a living or have a passion that they
should be looking to improve upon to be able to
stick around and keep doing something anything and have a future.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, these are all great questions and questions that I
think you know we're pondering in this age of AI.
Here right we have six thousand students as an example
at the Lennar College of Business, you see, and we're
we're talking about these same things. So one of the
things that we've done is is kind of put these
into i'll call them buckets of competencies. Right, and so

(01:27):
you have some basic things about career readiness, professionalism, you know,
things that before AI we'd still talk about, right, showing
up to work, being prepare, you know, accountability, respect, all
all of those things. What's really changed now is the
tech side of it, right, tech savviness and trying to
be fluent in that, in that, in those tools and

(01:49):
in those those language and the other thing that probably
doesn't get enough talk. And when we're all talking about technology,
are we skilled up in the AI space? With these
pools and uh uh, these these new things right that
that potentially make us better, faster, smarter, we don't lose
the human element. The human element may in fact become

(02:10):
more important than the tech element and all this. So
when you ask that question, I think the first thing
is don't be afraid of it. I think you got
to lean into the technology. At Pandora's boxes open. You know,
everything is AI and it's been around for a long time.
It's like you say, oh, I don't want to use AI. Well,
you're you're watching Netflix tonight right that that that has

(02:31):
AI in it, So you know everything has AI built
into these things. It's just getting more ingrained into the
things that we do.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Talking to Jeff Schaeffer, he's the director of AI Strategy,
Perry Professor, University of Cincinnati's Lender College of Business with
Sterling on the big one. So as we look at
the future of jobs and what is coming next, you
mentioned about being more tech savvy for someone who's using
some tech but not a lot of tech. Talking to friends,
I've had other people that are supposedly experts about this.
They sort of say, a lot of the tree raids

(03:01):
are probably less likely to have a major hit to
their future earning possibilities by AI, but there is some
AI that can be utilized to help them and what
they're doing regardless of that. So this is already sort
of getting into every aspect of our lives anyway, whether
it's the algorithms for stuff we're streaming, or even your

(03:21):
car that gives you that you know, oh you got
you're out of your lane, or you're you're too close
to somebody. Let's hit that brake for you. I mean,
these are all elements that over the last decade have sorely,
you know, sort of like bounced into our everyday lives.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Now. If you look, if you want to talk about trades,
certainly the we call this the world model, you know,
the human elements. Again, AI doesn't have the concept of
physics and gravity and things that are in our natural world,
so it's a lot harder and people are chasing that problem.
So Elon Musk is building you know, millions of robots.

(03:57):
We'll get there and there will be people that that
are replaced from human tasks, just like in a factory.
But that doesn't mean everything is going to get replaced, right,
And so when you go back to any of this,
I think we got to look at what that is.
So from a technical standpoint, let's talk about that.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
Learning what AI.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Is good at and what AI cannot do, at least
in the short term, in the midterm, and following that
and staying on top of it. We had an alumni
in this week and he said something to us that
we need to teach the students to learn how to
learn faster. Right, They need to be able to pick
up these things quicker. They need to be able to
adapt to change faster. Then they need to apply those

(04:36):
human things that I talked about, like question framing, how
do you frame the question? Like that's more important than
the technical side. Being technical in this day and age
is going to get wiped out before the critical thinking right,
interpreting the generation because understanding is this thing that just generated?
Is it right? Or is it wrong? How do I
know that right? And that comes from experience, business context right,

(05:00):
able to put it in a business context. I give
you an example, like for automating an invoice flow. You know,
every business has an invoice, Every invoice has a date
on it, and every invoice has an amount on it.
And so that sounds like something that could be easily automated.
And then you say, okay, well what about medical invoicing.
Now just think about the complexities I just introduced, right

(05:20):
with insurance companies and doctors and why it's being invoiced
and all those things. And so you have to have
a domain expertise, and then you have to be able
to apply that domain expertise to AI to get results
that are worthwhile because otherwise you're just relying on a generation, right,
I mean word generation that's going to give you answers.

(05:42):
How do you know it's right? How do you know
that workflow is right? How do you know that what
it produced is accurate? And so being able to understand
the technical side enough, the domain side enough, and then
being able to apply I'll call it the personal traits right,
the human elements, the critical thinking, the judgment, the ethical reasoning, accountability,
all of those things.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Is there still a need for people to do coding
and learn different programming languages? Because it was less than
a decade to fifteen years ago, hanging out with friends
and their kids and talking about the future and what
they need. We need coders, we need coders, we need coders.
A decade later, it seems like a lot of that
stuff is sort of fallen too. The wayside, is that
the case? Or am I misunderstanding where we are in

(06:25):
what's coming?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
No, there is an absolute risk there of that. I
was vibe coding this week, which means that I'm not
writing any code myself. I'm giving directions to the computer
to generate the code. And it was in a language
called Python, and I also was doing some web page
stuff in EAHTML, and so these sound technical.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Then you say, okay, well, how did I know what.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Question to ask? How did I know enough about EACHTML
or Python, these languages to ask the question to get
what I want? Because I got exactly what I want
and I didn't have to write a line of code.
So then put that in perspective to students. You may
not need to know all the details of how to
do it, because I, you know, with code complete and

(07:09):
you know generation of code. Now with a GitHub copilot
and tools like that, it'll generate the code for me.
So I go back to how do I know that
code is correct? How do I put that code in production?
How do I monitor that code is doing the right thing?
How do I make sure that code is compliant legally?
If it's making a business decision, what kind of decision
is it making. Is it making a high risk decision

(07:29):
or is it making a low risk decision? And so,
while there's lots of tasks out there, if it's folding
my laundry like a you know, think about a robot
for an example, that's a low risk task. And if
it makes a mistake no problem. But if it's making
a medical decision, that could be a high risk, right.
And so the short answer, yes, I think humans are
critical in this in some form or fashion. But it

(07:51):
also acknowledging people make mistakes too, right, And so I
think the collaboration of the technology and the people is
what's key getting that balance.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Director of AI Strategy and Perry Professor, University of Cincinnati's
Lendar College of Business, Jeff Schaeffer was sterling on the
Big One talking about the future of jobs and how
we can better position ourselves moving ahead. These skills related
to artificial intelligence, and I don't know you call it
the right term here, whether it's future proofing whatever else.
I just want to place in the future regard. You know,

(08:20):
whether you're driving on seventy four now or two seventy five, whatever,
and you're thinking like what's next. You know, you're thirty
five years old, You've got a family, You're thinking how
to how do I make sure that I'm safe? And
you think about this protection issue. You talk about data interpretation,
the learning, machine learning stuff and problems solving. How do
you know is there if I go to UC or

(08:42):
if I go to somewhere else, are there online tools
that you can sort of take some type of tutorial
or something to sort of get a firm grip on it,
because if you're already you know, doing what you do
and making your way through the world, sometimes it's hard
to make time to do the continuing education that's necessary
to stay relevant.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Loads of resources out there, right, there's all kinds of
YouTube free resources that are available. But if you want
to dive deeper into those things, you know, yes, a
program like you see, we offer workshops for people who
are busy professionals and just want to come learn a
little bit. We have certificate programs if you want to
dive deeper. We have degree programs, right, if you want
to get a degree in this. So, if I'm out

(09:24):
there thinking about it, I'm gonna not be scared of it.
I'm going to try to embrace it in some sense.
Even if you're even if you put yourself in the
anti AI category, just recognize it's like saying I'm anti
automobile right there everywhere. Yeah, So so you know, you
have to figure out how it's going to incorporate into
those things from a standpoint of changing careers or advancing

(09:48):
or trying to do something else, I'd probably be thinking about, Okay, well,
how can I leverage AI to make me better and
faster at doing the things I want to do? Think
about if you ever had an idea and you want
to build a bitusiness, well, gosh, it's probably never been
a better time. Think about you know, years ago, how
would you get a website? Why you'd have to hire
somebody to go build a website for you. Right today,

(10:09):
you don't have to do that. There's loads of places
to go and you could spin up a website in
a few hours and your you know, your website would
be ready to go. And that goes for every single
task of what you're doing in the business. You could
have ideas and you could brainstorm faster, you can create
marketing products faster, you can create content faster, and so
it really leverages anybody to be able to kind of

(10:32):
level the playing field, if you will. Anybody can level
up to do what they need to do that in
that space. And so yes, go get some training, find
out how to do some of these things and see
if you can leverage them in whether it's your daily
work at your office or whether it's something new you
want to try.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
You know, It's funny.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
When I was coming up, it was always sterling as
it possible you could fix the VCR. So it's not
blinking twelve for my mom right And now I get
the I don't understand why I can't get from you
back to the iHeartRadio app and then back to Netflix.
Why can't I just just I'm like, look, it's a
different device. It's a whole nother scenario. There's always this
gap as we sit here now. If you have kids

(11:10):
and they're coming up, and I've seen it with my
friends and some of my relatives. Kids, they're born with
the device in their hand. They're already aware of what
this is, or maybe don't have an idea is to
giving it a name, to say it's artificial intelligence. But
they're born in, living in it and a washing it.
Are they feeling stressed? Should they feel stressed? Or is
this just as simple and easy for adaptation as it

(11:34):
was maybe for us coming up.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I think that's a real challenge for parents. That's not
just an AI thing. I think that was a result
of you know, our social media generation, as content got
shorter and faster and in your face right through reels,
tiktoks even now LinkedIn and Instagram and you know, all
these channels and it's just kind of flowing, and that

(11:58):
makes it hard because there's a lot more noise out there.
And then throw the AI component on that weaponized you know,
social media and now you have content you don't know
whether it's real, you don't know whether it's fake, you
don't know. You know, why we're so polarized. All those
things could probably come back to those those elements, so
that that is a hard challenge to counteract that. I

(12:19):
would say, you know, we have to slow down a
little bit, you know, work fast with technology, but slow
down when it comes to the critical thinking, the discernment,
those again, those human elements, because that's that's how we're
going to have to implement and apply these these tools.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Jeff Safer is the director of Artificial Intelligence Strategy, the
Perry and Profer Perry Professor, University of Cincinnati Lindner College
of Business. AI should help me be able to slow
down and enunciate.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
That would help.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
What about the issue of understanding what people are going through?
You know, in the eighties to the nineties, huge technological change,
industry change. Russ belt issues, people, you know, despondency in
all the things. As time moves on, we saw people
left behind, multi generations dealing with emotional stress, not necessarily

(13:09):
balancing back and taking a couple of decades really to
even navigate that in some cases where we sit right
now in twenty twenty six, I'm curious about the issue
of ethics and understanding what is coming because, as you've
described it and many others have, what's ahead of us
is supposed to be in what we're in the middle
of in the early stages, is supposed to be what

(13:30):
the most dramatic change in human history and advancement of technology.
And that's a lot to deal with, not just hey,
an auto industry or something was outsourced overseas, and now
how do I have purpose. There's a lot of layers
to that.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
It's complicated and it's a lot to figure out. There
are things that we certainly should be scared of in
that realm, but there's so many unknowns.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
We talked I think on the last time about you know,
lower level jobs are getting replaced, right, you know, they're
only keeping the higher level, more skilled people. And the
problem with that is is where do those highly skilled
people come from, right, they come from lower level jobs
that are trained up, and so we have to think
through that. You know, it's the same thing with coding.

(14:19):
You could say, oh, well, don't be a coder because
we don't know anybody. You know, we're not going to
need the code. Well, where did the computer learn to code?

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Right?

Speaker 2 (14:25):
It didn't learn to code on its own. It learned
to code from best practices of people doing it for decades,
and so we are the engine that feeds that knowledge
and we shouldn't forget that, right, And so yeah, where
do we fit in the picture? This is akin to
back in the day we had automation that replaced muscles.

(14:46):
You know. Now we're at automation trying to replace cognition
and it's not there, you know, it's it's getting there,
and it's moving, and it's moving very fast. It can
do things that are either very domain specific that humans
can't do, or it can do generalized things not as
well as humans can do. And so that's where we

(15:06):
are at the moment. Where we go in the future,
you know, people are chasing the idea that a computer
will be better at us than everything. At some point,
agi artificial general intelligence. I don't know if we'll get
there anytime soon, but that is the that is the goal, right,
and so in that world, then you really have to
think about where we are. That's that's a human race

(15:27):
sort of question, right. But I think today we have
to think about keeping that human in the loop in
some form or fashion, and at least for all of
those things I outlined right, just to make sure that
we are providing that critical thinking, the problem solving, those
things that today are very very important in those processes.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Before we let you go, and I really appreciate you
you making time, and I hope you'll come back. Jeff Schaeffer,
by the way, is the director of AI Strategy and
Perry Professor, University of Cincinnat add he's Lendar College of Business.
In about a minute or so, is someone's driving around
right now, They got the kids in the car coming
back from brunch church, whatever else it is that they
got going on in this beautiful day in the Tri State.
If you like cold weather especially, and you're trying to

(16:13):
think of Okay, if I want to get a plan
together and I want to start working this, you don't
want to stress out. You don't want to be overwhelmed.
What's the first thing someone should do if they're looking
to try to find a way to get to the
next level.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
How about a fun exercise. How about we use AI
to help us answer that question. Go out to many
many free resources, Google, Gemini, Chat, GPT, Claude. You can
use their free tool and use AI and try it
and ask those questions and see if you can formulate
a plan. Spend ten or fifteen minutes going back and
forth prompting and asking questions like that, what could I do?

(16:48):
Where could I go? What about researching? And just give
it a try and see what it finds for you,
because you'll, I think most people who aren't familiar with
that will be amazed as what you could get done
and what you could do in fifteen minutes or twenty
minutes or thirty minutes. And that would be a way
to kind of get your feet wet into something like that.
And then maybe go explore some training on this, whether

(17:09):
it's at UC at the University of Cincinnati or somewhere else.
Go out and look for some classes and say, hey,
you know what, I'm going to sit through a few
hours of this and see what I can learn. See
what I can pick up from that and then see
what I can apply back at my job.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Give me a solution for my future.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's the right question prompted the right way to the
right AI could perhaps be the difference in everything. It's
good to talk to you. I appreciate you making time.
I hope you enjoyed the rest of your weekend. Jeff Schaeffer,
he's the director of AI Strategy, Perry Professor, University of
Cincinnati Linder College of Business.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Thank you for making time. Take care of yourself, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
We'll check ag in so always great talking with you.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Take care of.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yourself straight away. The news more Sterling Home of the
Red seven hundred WLW. Maybe get a conversation I have
with Kevin Carr about that new movie stuff. That'll be
a while to hang out for that.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
And I'm just.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Kind of curious, have you embraced the cold? Have you
become acclimated to the cold. We're expecting more snow Tuesday.
I know a lot of people in a lot of
neighborhoods right now still dealing with snow issues in and
around their neighborhood streets and getting out of their driveway
is plows that push snow up and piled up, and

(18:19):
that continues to be an issue. With the cold. We
may see above freezing temperatures. What maybe a day or
two this week and then next weekend, maybe if we're lucky.
I'm hopeful. I'm always an optimist. Five point three seven
four nine seven eight hundred the Big One. Tons and
tons of people out and about today. I mean, you
can't get locked down and be in the house and

(18:40):
not go out. I mean, we've got to get stuff,
We've got to do things. I know there's a fitness
gym kind of place across the road here. Earlier today
it was just packed. So people are trying to take
care of themselves, trying to make sure they're still getting
their exercise in and work that cardio or whatever else.
It's not as easy to get out and about and
run if that's what you do in this time of

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year normally. Obviously, my poor dog is still navigating the
paths that I carved out in the snow in the yard.
He's fifteen pounds of crazy love and stuff. But he
was overwhelmed. He walks out of here and he's looking
up and he's like the wall of snow is bigger
than me, and that's still an issue, and desperately. A
tired dog is a good dog from my experience, and

(19:24):
he's not getting the exercise he needs, so there may
be more shoveling to be doing in and around the yard.
To see how that goes. Five point three seven four
nine seven eight hundred, the big one. I'm wondering how
acclimated you've become. This is one of those things where
I've seen it. I've noticed it people coming in out
of their houses wearing smaller jackets.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I mean, it's just one of those.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Thanks Kevin Carr will have a conversation with a little
bit later. He wears shorts all year round. I don't
know if you're one of those people or not. Everywhere
I've ever worked, in any group of friends or circles
that I have had, I've noticed that there is at
least one par that I know that is all about
the shorts all year round. And it's not even always

(20:07):
like big oversized people. Sometimes you know there's somebody a
little big boned or hefty, whatever you want to call it, larger. Uh,
maybe they sort of embrace that. But I've seen it
with others and I know there's a difference between coming
and going out of the gym or otherwise and doing that.
But it's a It's an interesting thing, is we we
sort of get to this. I know it's winter, i

(20:30):
know it's cold, it's pretty basic stuff. But the acclamation
situation is what is weird. And I've never really believed
that that would be the case. And I know, being
up north in the Minnesota area and the winter in
the past, it was one of those after two or
three four days, I'd seen everybody in and around there

(20:50):
seemingly with the lighter jackets and everything else, and I
had the big nook of the Northport parka because I'm
coming from here and you know, we're not you to
that zero issue under you know, below zero kind of scenario,
and people will embrace it and feel it and live
it and learn it and get through it. And I
guess that's just a matter of keeping it going. But

(21:11):
I do know some people that just don't go out.
They'll just have everything delivered if they can or otherwise.
And who I really feel bad for is those who
deliver the mail. It is astounding so many people of
you know, you don't necessarily shovel a lot of sidewalks.
I see a lot of driveways. Some sidewalks have been

(21:32):
cleaned and post to workers, male men, male women. I
don't know what the proper term is, letter carriers. I
think that's the right thing. Alex again. Yeah, in that circumstance,
trying to get get around or whatever else, I mean,
they got to sort of trudge through it. And I
saw my male guy the other day and I was like, hey, man,
he was driving around on his truck.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
He's like, I'll get to you eventually. I'm like, no,
rush man.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I tried to clear it for it, and even between
the houses, because otherwise it's driveway street or driveway side
walk and then back rather than cutting through. It makes
the day longer. So I received a bundle of mail
that probably was three or four days worth of it,
which is fine. Half of it was junk. They filtered
out some of it and some was you know, sort

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of important. But I mean, acclamation, they have no choice.
People out there moving snow, law enforcement out there doing
their thing. I've seen a number of people pulled over
last night, even on the way home after the show.
And it's like ten thirty eleven o'clock on motoring on
and I see two people pulled over. I don't know
what the circumstance. It didn't look like a vehicle problem

(22:34):
as much as it was maybe some type of infraction
or whatever else. I mean, just imagine how if you're
a cop, how motivated you're going to be to get
out of your car in single digits a five degree
ten degree weather to go give somebody a ticket. If
I got to get out, I mean, I listen, I'm
no cop. I have friends who were police. I just

(22:54):
want to say this. If I have to get out
of my car and it's ten degrees or five degrees,
and it's not like a major situation right now, I mean,
we're toasty and warm, it's twenty one, it's like summertime.
All of a sudden it is almost shorts weather. I
can feel it. It feels almost like Opening Day. Maybe a
slight exaggeration there, but in that circumstance, I think I'm
writing every ticket I could possibly write for someone if

(23:16):
I've got to get out of my car and it's
ten fifteen degrees or less. I mean, because I'm gonna
be irritable, I'm gonna be frustrated. I'm gonna be cold,
my feet might be getting wet from the slop that's
on the ground or the side of the road, depending
on the circumstance. And I'm gonna be writing for everything
I possibly could.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
And you know, it's like I'm going to give you
a warning.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
There'd be no warnings if I was the cop who
pulled you over in the miserable, evil, bitter, frozen tundra.
Kind of cold to the dry state these days. Although
today we are going to be around twenty two, which
is a nice heat wave, twenty nine tomorrow they say
thirty one Tuesday. That's a downgrade. I thought I saw

(23:58):
thirty two, so I'm not even sure or when we
will see thirty two degrees. How acclimated are you? Are
you out about? Are you having fun? Is it still
sledding time in and around Eaton Park? I know I
saw some people that were having some fun there when
I was driving around, which is kind of nice. I
used to live right around the corner and used to
do some sledding there myself and always found that one

(24:19):
part there on the low side of where Mere Lake is,
you don't want to end up out in the road,
So that's one of those things you always have to to,
you know, worry about five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,
eight hundred, the big one, your chance to get interactive,
wondering about acclamation situation and how you're getting with it.
Other stuff to get to as well, in relation to
a whole bunch of stuff. And I've had a bunch

(24:41):
of people opinion me saying they want me to talk
about the Epstein files again.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I'll lay that out there.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I mean, I don't want to say it's old news,
but I mean there's three million documents. They missed the deadline,
and you can certainly sound off. I'm just wondering, are
you satisfied because so many people have been like Epstein files,
Epstein files, bring them out, and Blanche Wo's the Deputy
Attorney General, has stepped up to defend how they've released them.

(25:11):
A lot of people who have been found themselves. I
guess the docks in some way the victims, which is
just mind blowing to me that you know, you don't
protect the victim's identity in the midst of this document
sharing or dump. And uh, you know there there have

(25:35):
been videos and all kinds of other things, and a
lot of other redactions. A lot of people's names and
stuff that sort of have gone along with what has
been released of men that high powerful men you know
or thought to have either been I yes, purchasers of
quality time whatever you want to call it in the

(25:55):
sex trade with these young girls is what they were
underage mind her children effectively and then maybe some over
the age of eighteen or whatever else. But I mean,
I can't imagine a situation. The number one thing that
they should be, at least in my opinion, worried about
is protecting the victim. So if you're going to release

(26:15):
all this information by order or otherwise, how hard would
it be, since all this stuff has been digitized, to
just do a search for the names that you know
are in there, because that would be easily found, one
would think, with the help of maybe artificial intelligence, even
if you don't, just do a basic search and then
you go through and you redact the accuser. Those that

(26:37):
have been on the other side of this that was
a complaint that we're outing the people who were violating them,
whether it's Maxwell who's in a Kushi More country club
prison now, or whether it's Epstein, who of course allegedly
hung himself while he was in detention in sitting there
and Maxwell, of course with some more time, and apparently
the president supposedly has been completely exonerated. Now I think

(27:00):
I've heard that out there and seen that published, so
perhaps that's the case. I want to know how fixated
and concerned and worried and engaged and involved you have
been in this Epstein thing. I still get inundated with it,
and it's not communicated by bots, which is one of
those things you always have to sort of look at
when you start getting people asking you about stuff. But

(27:21):
I'm wondering if you're concerned about the victims, if you
were one of those people who decided that this was
a lynch pin issue for the last election to bring
Trump back to office, are you happy with the way
these files have been released, the way this has been
moving through the system in processing. Do you think there
will be more I have so many questions, will be

(27:43):
more people held accountable? Or is this just a lot
of nothing. There'll be some docs in and the people
will go, well, you don't have any proof of me
doing anything else and carry on, Because that really has
been some of what has been talked about, and how
it's moved through five point three seven four nine seven thousand,
eight hundred to the big one talk back the iHeartRadio.
You can click on the microphone there. I'm also on
x what used to be Twitter for those who are

(28:04):
still living in the past, at Stirling Radio. You can
get interactive that way as well. It's it's still hard
for me to imagine, and you hear it on a local,
regional basis regularly in the news. I mean they've had
the dateline kind of sting or whatever else it is
where they have those people show up in you know,

(28:25):
suburban homes where they've been trolled by law enforcement or
some other groups of people acting is underage type people
out there or somebody looking to sell their company or otherwise,
and then they would bust them, like to catch a
predator kind of scenario. Now, those people, because they are
not of means, because they are not somebody, they're just

(28:46):
regular everyday people. They're the ones who lose their career.
They're the ones who lose their home life situation. They're
the ones who get locked up. They're the ones that
are ostracized. They're the ones that you get the card
from the Sheriff's office, it says sexual predator in the neighborhood,
so you can identify and as you're driving around to go, yeah, okay,
keep the kid away from that guy. Kind of scenario.

(29:06):
But the level that we're talking about where it engages
the President of the United States and the federal government
at the highest levels. These individuals around there, I mean,
where are they held accountable? Are they going to go
in front of Congress and be asked questions?

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Highly doubtful. What do you think is going to happen
as a result of this?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
I mean really, I mean it almost is seemingly with
the exposure of some of these women's names and we
know what they've dealt with and including suicide and other stuff,
I just kind of look at it and go, it's
almost like a distraction. Look over here, pay no attention
to other stuff that's going on. Nothing's going to really

(29:51):
happen with it. Probably maybe government's partially shut down. They
have other stuff to worry about, right, They got to
get the government fully open again. They got to worry
about other things. This seems six million pieces of paper,
that's a lot to review, thousands and thousands of videos,
tens of thousands of images, and that's what they were

(30:15):
required to go through. That's what they were required to release,
and they still held back apparently for ongoing or pending
investigation whatever that means. It's hard to say. It's a
vague kind of description or whatever else, and you kind
of look at it and go okay. So now that
these files are out there, who benefits not the exposed

(30:37):
victim or the accuser. Maybe not the exposed person who
was in the list, who was there socially somehow entertaining
some type of whatever relation to ship with Epstein and
hanging out of these supposed parties or whatever they happen
to be. But I don't see the upside to any
of this at this point. I mean, are you satisfied?

(31:00):
Is this an issue of all the issues you worry
about it? I mean, you worry about the economy, You
worry about national security, right, you worry Maybe in national
security can be border issues, can be you know, illegal
immigration issues. It can be an issue of all kinds
of criminal stuff that goes on. Where does this fall
if five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred,

(31:21):
the Big One Quick Break, Sterling hanging out Nation Station
seven hundred. Wow, Remember the album. I mean, you can
still stream an album in its entirety at the iHeartRadio app.
You can go buy some my you know albums on
vinyl or CD if you care to, I mean vinyls
come back. Jack White even bought a record plan if
I'm not mistaken, so he's pressing those and if you

(31:43):
don't know who he is from the White Stripes, of course,
he's been doing it for quite a while now and
thinking about the best albums of all time that you
I mean, you're having a little fun. You have put
it on and you're like, you know what, I don't
have to hit next. I don't have to skip a track,
you don't have to go Okay, here's three good songs
on an album with ten songs and the other seven
or a bunch of just filler or whatever else that
goes along with that. I still think the ACDC Back

(32:06):
in Black album is probably one of the best of
all time front to back that there's ever been. I
love London Calling from the Clash. I know these are
some older records or whatever else that go along with that.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
A good Kid, Mad City Kendrick Lamar that's more contemporary
and stuff that's sort of god gone along with that
as well. Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred,
the Big One. I'm kind of wondering what it is
that sort of goes along with that concept of is
full album front to back your favorite when you put
that playlist in you go to the gym, and it
could be.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I mean you sometimes you have a.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Playlist that's a mixture of stuff, your hits for whatever
it is.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
But I still like Jane's addiction.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Nothing shocking front to back an incredible album that sort
of goes along with that soul whole concept of that too.
Johnny Cash, who a whole generation and now maybe into
the second generation of people who have become fans after
he had started forever and ever ago. He's even been
gone for quite a while for that matter. But those

(33:07):
American recordings he did going back a good number of
years now, uh, you know, covering Sound Garden, doing a
ton of other records that sort of go along with that,
and working with Rick Rubin sort of brought a lot
of other people into the fold to see exactly what
he was about. And that live record of his that

(33:28):
he did at fulsome Prison had me as a kid
I'll tell you. I thought he had really been locked
up and done a stretch someplace for something, because it
just seemed like that was the case. And then my
mom and then my uncle too were like, no, no,
he was never locked up. He just understand that's why
he where's black. And then of course they were like, here,
listen to this, and I disappeared into my room and

(33:49):
I put the earbuds in or the headphones on and
was like, okay, I got it, and now I understand
five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred to
a big one having a little fun on a Sunday
after noon, Sterling, Let's get to college. He'll job be first.
We got a mic and a'brian and a JT and
love to hear from you as well. Albums front to
back that you don't have to hit skip, you don't

(34:10):
have to you go. Oh, I can't believe they put
I paid. However, that was the thing. Is a kid
that used to drive you nuts. I'd ride my bike
down and dating to second time around or my buddies
and I would drive down to everybody's records here and
you'd go through and you'd look for you stuff or
new and sometimes you didn't know. It's like, well, this
guy wrote this song and played on this and that's

(34:30):
at least how I went from one thing to another
with music. And then you get at home or you'd
listen and then you go, well, that's cool song. That's
a cool song, and then you'd go, what's the rest
of this? And it was like, well, they had to
put an album out. I guess joby, it's your turn
with Sterling on the Big One. Hey, what do you have?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well, real briefly here i'd have to say to who
and Who's next?

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Oh tremendous, O'Reilly and m's really well there it really does.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Who made a bunch of incredible music? And I know
that at one point they had I think they'd retired
a couple of times over the years, and still, you know,
just until recent years, have been out there doing it.
So yeah, I think Who's Next is tremendous. That's a
great choice. Uh five point three seven, four nine, eight
hundred The Big One. Let's uh get to Cincinnati's JT

(35:19):
was Stirling on the Big One, j T, what do
you have?

Speaker 7 (35:23):
Hey?

Speaker 8 (35:23):
I have the Beatles White Album, I have Abby Road,
I have the BAC Boys Licensed to.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Ill tremendous and I have you know run DMC.

Speaker 8 (35:36):
I can go on and on, but led Zeppelin two,
leb Zeplam four.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Now see, I think Zeppelin three is one of their
best and underrated and just sort of overlooked.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
For somewhat reason. Don't you love Zeppelin three?

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I do too.

Speaker 8 (35:52):
I wasn't gonna say it because I want to. I
don't want to come across on air like I'm some
sort of believest.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
But oh wait, I know now I'm an elitist, don't know,
but no Beast Boys Licensed to Ill?

Speaker 8 (36:07):
Like I can recite that entire album. I won't do
it for you now, but from beginning to end for
all sixty seven point three four minutes.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
There you go. That's tremendous.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
JT.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Thank you, my man. I appreciate the call.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
It the wide Oak and Mike was sterling on the
Big One talking about albums that are good front to back.
You don't have to skip any tracks. You're like, no,
this is a work of brilliance, Mike.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
What do you have.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
Another?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Vote for?

Speaker 6 (36:31):
Who's Next? By the Who?

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Hard to go wrong with them.

Speaker 8 (36:35):
But the one song that is not good enough Love
was not even written by Townsend, not sung by Roger.

Speaker 9 (36:41):
Daltrey, but John Intwistle wrote in song and sang my wife,
and that's definitely a song that I just crank it
up to eleven and my son and I he's thirty five.
We both went up to Madison Square Garden to see
him play their last concert.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
How was that at the gardens?

Speaker 6 (36:57):
It was It was great. You didn't want it to end.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, it was so great.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
It was sad, yeah, playing the last song, but it
was great.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
That's pretty cool. What an amazing thing.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
When you think about what was the Cincinnati Gardens, then
you think about Madison Square Garden, Mike, I appreciate the call.
Madison Square Garden with a bunch of boxing over the weekend.
They had to warn people about brawling. And then there
was the whole two pay thing, which I'll get into later,
which sounds like a big time like a wrestling kind
of scenario. You had a title bout and the guy
with the two pay in the ring. Why wouldn't you

(37:26):
just go in there with your head shaved and go
to work and got that two paid knocked off? Which
is just one of the best things ever. I mean,
it's not, but it is. And then they were nice enough.
And I actually heard Ken mention this too. Somebody or
a group of people would ever grab that dead animal
skin whatever it is on the guy's head and tossed
it back to him so we could go get that

(37:46):
glue and get it back attached to his dome, which
is pretty wild to pick what and Fred was Sterling
on seven hundred WLW, what's your favorite or top albums
that are front to back the just Unstoppable.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
He's always enjoyed listening the whole album Tress ham.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Braised by Zzy Top.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Nice. Yeah, always rid songs, absolutely, Arro.

Speaker 10 (38:10):
Smith out of my like is I like the Rocks album?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Rocks is tremendous, you know, and Done with Mirrors is
pretty okay, but I mean it's certainly not quite the
same as the other two, that's for sure, but that's tremendous.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Yeah, And of course you know ac DC, you know,
back in Black. And I also like the first live Kiss.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Album, oh yeah, to cover.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, I think that's how a lot of us ended
up sort of like getting into that Kiss army kind
of thing. Was that the first record and then you
kind of like, you know, and going for there too, Fred,
I appreciate the call man, thank you if I've went
three seven, four, nine, eight hundred, the big one. Looking
for a favorite albums front the back that are just
a flat out unstoppable, Uh, that you don't have to
deal with anything. Oh this is nice. Price Hill marks

(38:52):
his system of a down steal this album. Yeah, that's
pretty strong. A good call there. I appreciate you getting
interactive that way at Sterling Radio. By the way, on
x you can do it too. To Waynesville where they
had that Souerkrapt festival and it's usually much warmer than now.
So Dale, how's everything? What do you have for us?

Speaker 10 (39:08):
I hate doing pretty good sunshining here, so you know,
but it's still cold.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Well, it's warmed up. I mean it is almost shorts weather.
I mean it's twenty three now here, so I mean
I'm feeling like it's summer. We should be mowing the
grass a great American ball park and getting ready for
ending day.

Speaker 10 (39:24):
Yeah, buddy, well I look forward to this. I retired
where I was cutting steel with torches. Oh, so I
really looked forward to coldad So.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, because I mean doing that, I had a buddy
of Mine's father used to work at a still plant
there between here and Dayton, and he used to talk
about how just unreasoned, like it was hotter than hades,
is what he'd say.

Speaker 10 (39:46):
Yeah, buddy, fifteen twenty degrees hotter inside the shop than
it was outside.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Wow, in the summertime. That'll get to you. What do
you have album wise? Like a favorite to you?

Speaker 10 (39:55):
I'm stuck on two yeah, you know, and it's kind
of tough of my age here, but a lot of
revival Cosmos Factory. Oh and uh, you know, just just
great music, you know. And uh uh the other uh
that that can't be beaten as far as the music
and the vocals and everything like.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
That is Eagle's greatest hits. Man, there you go and.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
See and I'm on the fence, I gotta tell you, Dale,
And I wondered about this before I got into the topic.
And this comes around usually do this once or twice
a year, and uh, I always kind of go, does
the greatest hits album count? Because it is already greatest hits?
But I mean it does it just brutalizes you, smacks
you in the head. Boy, love this, You're gonna love
this more, gonna love that more, I know.

Speaker 10 (40:40):
But you know, front to back, you know who you
talk about.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
That's what I'm saying. Unstoppable, We'll have.

Speaker 10 (40:47):
Yeah, most albums will have two hits and the rest
of them just kind of there.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
That's right, filler, you got it. That's the thing. And
in times are different now you don't have to worry
about the filler. Dale, Thanks for the call, man. Maybe
we'll run into you, uh at the this Outkraut Fest
at some point. Buddies of mine used to go down
there and work that when I was a kid. We're
actually my buddy's kids who are now grown now. So
I'm showing my age a little bit to Richmond, Indiana,
wondering a little bit in the land of John Mellencamp

(41:13):
of course, and not too far from there. And dar
Jim Scott too. Ian what's going on? You were sterling
on the.

Speaker 11 (41:18):
Big One, Good afternoon. I want to throw two albums
at you. One would be Hysteria by Death Leppard.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah strong.

Speaker 11 (41:26):
I don't think anyone pays attention to just how many
great songs came off of that. Yes, and I guess
it's for kind of the greatest hits. But I always
was partial a legend by Bob Marley.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Oh, how do you go wrong with Bob Marley? Just
in general? Yeah, I'm totally with you there.

Speaker 11 (41:41):
Yeah, thank you for your time, man, every great day.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Appreciate you listening, man, Thank you. Okay computer Elizabeth doesn't
say where she's from. Just Elizabeth said, okay, computer, that's Radiohead.
She didn't even put Radiohead, but I know what that is.
That's going back to the nineties, my time at Channel
ZO before Kiss became Kiss South Lebanon. Carl with Sterling
on the Big One. What do you have best album
front to back that you can think of? That's you

(42:07):
and it's me too on the Big One.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Carl?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
You're talking to Sterling? Hold on, Hey, how are you.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (42:15):
So I've got I've got two albums and any gritty
dark bands?

Speaker 6 (42:18):
Will the Circle be Unbroken?

Speaker 7 (42:20):
Which introduced bluegrass to the mainstream.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Oh, and by Fleetwood Mac.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah, hard to go wrong with the Mac, that's for sure.
You know, I wasn't around. I mean, I may have
been a Hatchling at that point, but one of those
things coming up and I heard this, I don't know
if it's true that at one point and this is
a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Just just sort of share.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
But I guess Stevie Nick couldn't it doesn't see so
well and may or may not have been a little bit, uh,
you know, keyed up for the show. Apparently the allegation
is that she walked off a stage, couldn't see because
of the spotlight or whatever else.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Do you know what that's true?

Speaker 6 (42:54):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I just think of that being a horrible nightmare scenario.
And she's a small, little wi thing. I I mean,
that would be a it's not an easy fall.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
I just told that would be horrible.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
That would be horrible.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
It certainly all right, man, I just thought i'd ask you.
Maybe you might have been aware and around a little
bit longer than I'd been.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Carl.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I appreciate the call me and thank you for listening
to being a part of the show. Let's get to
Florence and Todd with Sterling on the big one. What
do you have best album? Front to back?

Speaker 12 (43:22):
I would go with Van Halen's debut album nineteen seventy
from nineteen seventy eight, Oh Hard titled Yeah Yeah, great
songs absolutely, Or I would go with nineteen nineteen eighty four.
That's a great one to Both of those albums have
sold in excess of ten million copies.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah that's massive. Yeah, that's huge.

Speaker 12 (43:38):
The greatest thing to me, The greatest thing to me
about van Halen is their music is fun. You know,
they're like hard rock for not heavy metal with their
hard rock, but their music's fun.

Speaker 11 (43:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Now, did you like van Hagar with Sammy fronting the Man?
Because I loved both. But it was an either or
thing when I was a kid coming up. People were
very passionate and very hateful, even on the Sam and
Dave tour that they did, which they didn't exactly along
for some reason.

Speaker 12 (44:02):
I like Van Hagar because Eddy van Halen's playing the guitar,
but the music was definitely different. My favorite is the
original lineup.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
I gotcha. I don't disagree.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I mean this, there was no bigger album at all
at this point.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I mean it was everywhere and you.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Were like a lot of people are like synthesizers and
van Halen that's sacrilege. But people started to love it then.
And I love the Balance album with Sammy Hagar from
the mid nineties. I thought that was strong too. In
hell that's thirty years ago, Todd. I appreciate the call,
and there's a lot of stuff in between that for
that matter too.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Oh, this is nice. We got a balance here between.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Calls and people on social At Sterling Radio on X
this is nice, Marvin says, Kanye's My Beautiful, dark, Twisted Fantasy.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
That is a great album. But Kanye, I mean, he's
had some issues.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Let's just say the music is amazing, but sometimes you
should just shut the hell up. But people have told
me that too, So you know what. I can't everything
against the guy, but some of what he said has
sort of taken me a bit personally. Let's get to
Mason and Brett. We got Rick and Jim. Where are
the women on this? I know your music lovers to
front to back best album, Brett, what do you have
with Sterling on the big one?

Speaker 13 (45:13):
Well, I got something a little unique for you. So
it's an album and a movie. So if you listen
to Kink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon, which is
a great album on its own, all the way through, yes,
and you think it with Wizard of Oz it is
absolutely incredible. Now you run those boat all the way through.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
To the end.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Here's my question, and take no offense to this. Please.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Is it better after visiting the dispensary or no?

Speaker 13 (45:43):
Well that's a requirement.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Okay. I just wondered. Again, I'm not judging. I just wondered.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
I remember them all right, fair enough, Brett. I appreciate
the call. Anything else before I let you bounce? I
had somebody just a message me said, I hung up
too soon, and then they came back at me with
another Johnny Cash record. Anything else before I let you go?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
No?

Speaker 6 (46:01):
No, I think I think that's it.

Speaker 13 (46:03):
I think there's probably too many to mention. And I
do want to mention though, that when we were kids,
I think we listen to albums all the way through
more than we.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Do now, especially you know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (46:12):
I think the quality of music was better, probably, and
we just there wasn't that many things to listen to,
so you really took the time to do it.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I think I wonder what it's like in that situation.
And I appreciate the call Brett as an artist, as
a creator, someone who is writing the music and orchestrating it,
and you know, coming together with these ideas and making them.
So I wonder in some fashion because a lot of
artists now just because of the way the businesses are
putting out, you know, one song at a time and

(46:39):
then maybe a collection of songs after that and touring
that way, because that's got to be different, just as
the way you approach it and going along with that.
But my friend's kids, and I'm talking like little kids,
middle school, you know, maybe not some of them, some
into high school. And then they seem to come back
around and they're telling me that they're finding all this

(46:59):
old stuff, a lot of the stuff I played when
it was Channel Z and and still listening to EBN
but embracing the album. So maybe, like a lot of stuff,
it just keeps coming back around. We'll see how that goes.
Let's get to Tim and then we got Randy and
Rick and others with Stirling on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
What do you have?

Speaker 6 (47:15):
Tim?

Speaker 5 (47:16):
Yes, sir, you got me?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
There, I gotcha, you got me?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (47:20):
Good Days of Future pass Days of Future passed.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
By the Moody BLUESO and I you know, be.

Speaker 14 (47:28):
A set that probably Dark Side of the Moon too,
but that Day's of Future past. One song moves to
the other so elegantly. You know, it's all fits together,
and in fact, at my funeral, I planned to have
this music played for the people who were waiting, you know,
for the funeral.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Ooh, okay, see, I hadn't really thought ahead about orchestrating,
you know, the soundtrack to my passing and send off,
But you're thinking ahead, Tim.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
That's tremendous. Thank you, man.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I appreciate the call. It took me a minute. It
sort of shook me. But I know others who have
done that. I mean, I don't know how many times
I've heard a Skinner's Freebird at somebody's wake or visitation
or something along those lines, or some type of celebration
of life scenarios. So I mean, I know that kind
of thing happens, that is for sure.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Man.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
What about like all the I mean, there's so many
like James Brown songs and Bootsy Collins still making relevant
music to this point, I mean, all the name is
Bootsy Baby, I mean, seriously tremendous album that was. I
was barely here at that point, but I've got a copy.
That's one of those I bought.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Used.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I mean, there are a bunch of those, I mean,
and Bootsy's done everything, just tremendous Randy again in the
Hoosier Land, happy with your national champion football team.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
I don't listen.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
I know this is an aside and not why you
called my whole life almost Indiana football was like a
guaranteed win for anybody who played them. How in shock
are you that the Hoosiers are national champs?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Card shocks a Tennessee from Rockville.

Speaker 11 (49:02):
So I got you.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
You're talking about how good they are?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Now got you?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (49:07):
Man?

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Are Tim mcgeeze like, thank you for loving the balls?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah? For sure?

Speaker 13 (49:11):
What do you have?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
I know that's not why you call it.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I got it.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
Oh yeah, I appreciate you asking though, Thanks for taking
my call.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Ye man.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
I got a couple of not so well known artists.
One of mine is Gary Moore. Oh sure, he's one
of the greatest blues guitarists wherever was.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Absolutely the album is called Are Still About the Blues?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
And then I've got another one. This lady is fantastic.
If you've never seen her, report her name is Samantha Fish.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
Oh yeah, uh killer be kind her album. She's up
for a Grammy Award tonight too.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
That's nice, very cool, Randy, Thank you, that's relevant. I
mean and you think about Gary Moore, I mean thin Lizzie.
Of course, how good were they in the skid Row?
And of course the Gary Moore band tremendous, Jim and
Tony and Rick others. Hang on, we'll keep this going
a little there's more ground to cover.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
We got Kevin Carr a little bit later talking movie
stuff and maybe some more artificial intelligence, because while my
intelligence is limited and the artificial kind is what's gonna
keep us going and move us to the next level,
next level. Thank you Alex again making it sound good
doing what you do. Sandy Collins got you one third
of your ports straight away where the Reds play. Hey,
we are just a little less than a month away,

(50:23):
the twenty seventh of February. I'll be behind this microphone
handing it off to Tommy Thraw and the Cowboy as
Red's Baseball begins in the desert, and they'll be going
to get to work in less than a month going
at it obviously won't be long because we're the home
of the Rets. News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Hears for fears. I think, weren't they just on.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
The road in the last couple of years they were yeah,
Alex Eagan, of course producing this is one of your picks.
This is one of your favorite albums. It is, I
would say Songs from the Big Chair is Yeah, is
a big one for me.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Now, both others.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
You've seen those videos, right, and hey, how you doing
At Sterling seven hundred WLW, we've been talking about the
albums CDs front the back like just you don't turn
them off, you don't hit skip. You're like, no, this
is a perfect playlist as it is, as it was
made by these artists. But the videos for that, I
always like, Man, those guys have the biggest and brightest
teeth I've ever seen. Yes, it's just one of those things.

(51:20):
I'm like, holy crap, I got to get to the
dentist now. It's kind of a weird thing. A bunch
of people been getting interactive at Sterling Radio one X
talking about this too, Kat King, I think it's Stuart
not and some random numbers there on X. You can
follow along he has or she I'm assuming it's a
heats is Ted Nugent's Double Lot Gonzo. Yeah, that's huge.

(51:42):
Dugent's still out there doing it. He's like one hundred
and twenty six years old, still touring from time to time,
a lot of state fares over the years, and still
getting it done.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Five three.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Big, and we've done this for a little while, but
people seem to be interested. Normally i'd turned the topic,
so we will layer in other stuff. But as you
call as, so we get in more interactivity. Let's just
say you can mention your favorite album like that, and
then we'll go on to other stuff too. Okay, five
point three seven four nine, seven, eight hundred, the big one.
You can pick up the phone, give it the finger,
like my good friend who's no longer with this, mister

(52:14):
K used to say, talk back the iHeartRadio app as well.
A few people also getting interactive. I don't know if
if Alex's screening phone calls. People are still going nuts
for this, do you know what it is? I think
we're all stir crazy because of the weather and the cold,
and now it almost feels like summer and shorts weather.
It's let me see, I'm going to refresh the Yeah,
it's still twenty three, which still feels fantastic. Soundgarden's super Unknown.

(52:38):
I had a couple of people mentioned that that's tremendous.
I still like the Bad motor Finger album, Nirvana's in
Utero still staying in the Seattle area overall, Alice and
Change had some people mentioned that the Dirt record as well.
So I mean, see, I'm showing my age when I
say record, right, that's kind of odd, but it is
true to Milford and Jim was sterling on seven hundred WLW,

(53:01):
what's going on?

Speaker 15 (53:02):
What do you have?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Where's all the women? I know?

Speaker 5 (53:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
I do know that it's all dominated by men calling up.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I can't control who calls. I don't know. Find a
woman in your life and have her call me.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I I am.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
I cannot forcibly make anyone pick up the phone. I
don't know. I feel that way too. I feel like
they don't love us. Now it's hurtful.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Do they not like listen to albums?

Speaker 6 (53:25):
Do they just interested in other? Thanks?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
That's not why I called thank you, But now I
have to have that bouncing around in my head as well.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Thank you, thank you?

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Right?

Speaker 3 (53:35):
What else do you have?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
You?

Speaker 6 (53:37):
Yes, there's nine on one two five.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (53:40):
In fact, I'd go to go on to say that
leave It a cappella is like the greatest acapella song ever.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, that's just about what from eighty four maybe eighty four,
eighty four, eighty four, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
One I have is Sergeant Pepper's hard to go that.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, I mean it is just remember you know, as
a kid, my mom played the Beatles constantly in the house,
and uh, and I think it was a rebellion thing. Yeah, absolutely,
but at the time it became annoying to me. So
then I was searching for something else. I was like, yeah,
I'll get it. The Beatles. They're great, but it was
one of those I wanted to find my own thing,
and so it was like, Okay, here's the Stones, here's this,

(54:21):
here's that. And then I came back to the Beatles
and was like, okay, Mom, you're absolutely right. They are tremendous.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
So what the women need to call in?

Speaker 5 (54:29):
What?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
What the heck's going on?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Here's one now by the way, and I think I
can't I can't pronounce it, but it is Elena or something.
She says, Pete Jorn, So, uh, there any Pete Orn album?
I guess I don't know all of them, So there
you go, Jim. I appreciate the call. Yeah, I liked
the band yas tremendous. Uh, and they were just here,
weren't they? Did they play the Memorial Hall and OTR

(54:55):
or something like that, And I was wanting to go,
and I was sort of confused on the scheduling. I
think they were doing a handful of like shows in
the States and that was one of those places. If
I'm not mistaken, Yeah, I wish I could have gone.
I feel bad. I saw him at what was the
Crown at the time, or maybe it was still the
Coliseum back in the nineties. I remember my buddies and
I we drove down here and they were just astounding.

(55:17):
The band, Yes, was tremendous. To hebron and Tony was
stirling on seven hundred w L double. You're talking about
the greatest albums of all time.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Hey man, Hey, how's it going.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
It's good, it's good. Where are the women, though? I'd
like to know.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
I mean, nothing wrong with you, Tony or Alan or
Don or Rick coming up, but I'm now starting to
feel like there's a problem.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
I mean, I love you dudes, but where are the women?
I mean serious, I'm with you, And you know what, I.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Thought of a second one while while I was waiting
and it's a woman singer. Maybe it' step in the
right direction with with me. It's Shannis Joplin. Yeah, just
like the Pearl. I mean, it's just cool. Like every
song on Pearl is at least pretty good. I don't
think I've ever hit skip when listening to it. I mean,
so that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Yeah, that's impressed stepping.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
We did need some more women colors. But the first
one I thought I was calling is Appetite for Destruction.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Oh yeah, I mean that is one of those, you know,
And what a great window of time that is between
the Appetite for Destruction mechanical residents from Tesla. I mean
that window of time right his stuff was shifting was just.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Amazing, incredible, incredible, Yeah, it was, it was.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
It was the best eighties, that's h That's the reason
I signed up for the Columbia Record House.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Dude, I did that a bunch of times.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
And I remember heroll date me, Alex Egan is producing,
is going to stroke out when I say this. I
when they transitioned to CDs and I was still having cassettes,
I joined all those record clubs and kept getting the
introductory because I didn't want to buy a CD player
with my Putt Putt Earning money and hair Arena money
and not and not be.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Able to play it.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
It was like, what So I bought a whole bunch
of CDs before I got the Kenwood CD player, because
I mean, what would be the point, you know, right? So, yeah,
beautiful Tony. I appreciate the call me thank you. And
then of course the CDs ended up at one time
or another and people are embracing those again. They sort
of turned into like a Christmas tree or Hanka bush,
you know, ornament because they're nice and shining. Yeah, exactly,

(57:12):
Alex knows to Western Hills and Rick, and then we
got Don and Jim and Allen and still no women calling.
I'm gonna have to put the kibosh on this topic
because I feel like the women are We don't want
to alienate the women.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
We want to bring the women into the fold. Rick,
what do you have?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Hi? Well, I like Neil Young Russ never sleeps for men.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
The song sail Away on there.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I think it's great. And then I wasn't gonna say.

Speaker 15 (57:34):
Dark Side of the Moon, but I was thinking about it.
Obscured by Clouds, the album that came out before Dark
Side of the Moon.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
That's really good.

Speaker 15 (57:42):
That's that's got a bunch of really nice songs on it.
And the last one was Bruce Springsteen, the one with
thunder Road on there.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Oh yeah, I like that one.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Yeah, Springsteen's pretty amazing. And that's another one of those.
And I may sound obnoxious about it, Rick, I appreciate
the call. But as a kid, Springsteen everybody talked about
as being and again, I think it's that anti establishment
rebellion teenager kind of vibe. I knew a lot of
people's parents were like, Springsteen's the Boss. You gotta love Springsteen.
And I'm like, yeah, enough already, you know fine, I

(58:10):
wanted something else and then I came back and was like, oh,
these are really incredible songs. And so no disrespect, I
mean all all the hats off to Springsteen doing what
he does. What where's a Jim Jim here with Sterling
on Metamora?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
There you go? Was Stirling on seven hundred WLW Jim.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
What do you have? Man?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (58:31):
Good anthnoon staring Hey.

Speaker 16 (58:33):
First off off, say at DC back in black Yes,
and uh big fan got to see them live in
the lat the Buddhicon in Tokyo, Japan.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Oh, you're kidding.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I've seen I've seen so many videos and heard so
many albums from Cheap Tricks to on and on and
on about the Budicon.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
What was it like to be in that building.

Speaker 16 (58:52):
It's very strange to be whether Japanese audience or predominantly
Japanese because they're so quiet. And Angus gave him a
good talking to and then he got a little rowdy,
but great, great venue it was.

Speaker 11 (59:07):
It was quite a lot.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
I was in the Navy station over there.

Speaker 10 (59:09):
We had a great time, so loved that.

Speaker 16 (59:12):
The second album I would say is Dark Side of
the Moon Pink Floyd. And then finally one that nobody
has mentioned or a group anything by the Moody Blues.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Oh yeah, Moody Glues Crank Pretty grow too. Yeah, that's
pretty strong, Jim. I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Call you know what.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
And I don't know now so much with the change
and the way people are consuming entertainment in music in
some cases, but for the longest time, every single year
ac DC's Back in Black record was selling like a
million copies. I don't know if people wore them out
or what was happening, But I mean it was just

(59:47):
a year after year they were just going thank you,
thanks for the money check, thanks for the deposit. It
was tremendous, Jim, I appreciate the call. And that sort
of worked the same way with some of the skinnered
stuff too. I mean, just million records, because you know
what it is, it's about the songs. They are incredibly
well written, relatable songs that an emotional visceral level and

(01:00:09):
whether it's and this one's nice too, this is for Mark,
and Oakley says, what about the Diary of Alicia Keys
and that goes back to the early two thousands, and
what an amazing record and what a talented woman she
still is out there doing it too. It's it's just
tremendous to Preble County, Don. And then Alan was Sterling
on seven hundred WLW, what's going on?

Speaker 14 (01:00:27):
Don?

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
Hey Sterling?

Speaker 17 (01:00:29):
Hey, well you guys been stealing my thunder on Pink Floyd.
I definitely agree with that, but really a couple others,
the Almond Brothers Live at the film More East. Sure
you don't need any other album by the Almond Brothers
if you have that, and the Door is La.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Woman, Yeah, also nice man. I love the doors. That's
tremendous stuff. It is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Well do you remember the first record you bought her?
Album or CD, cassette, whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:00:55):
Yeah, it was The Yardbirds.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Okay, very cool, very first The Yardbirds.

Speaker 17 (01:01:00):
Man, it was pretty good. That's pretty good. Speaking of
the Arbord, something else most people don't know, John Mayle
an album called wake Up Call. He's been around, he's
been around forever, but he's about Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Absolutely, I agree with he's not quite that old. But no,
I totally got you done. I appreciate the call Me
My Male. It's fantastic. Yeah, that's great. And Allison's changed stuff.
I mean, that whole vibe changed me. I mean the
Dirt record unbelievable. In Marnie, I think I'm saying that correctly,
Marne Marnee, yeah, uh says Alana's is jagged little pill, tremendous.

(01:01:36):
And then that was again the middle nineties, right in
that sweet spot with a lot of stuff, middle late
and it was in ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight,
somewhere in there, a tremendous record, song after song after song,
and I think, if I'm not mistaken, she started on
like a kids show too. At some point to Brown
County and Allen was Sterling on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 7 (01:01:57):
He's Sterling and great show, great topic.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Thank you man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
So I got h I got three kids, and once
they hit about fourteen, they started, you know, kind of
getting interested in dad's music, you know, riding around, playing
stuff in the car and whatnot. And one one kid
in particular, really got into it, started getting real curious.
I said, look, this is like, uh, this is like

(01:02:21):
hard rock one oh one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
You got to listen to.

Speaker 7 (01:02:24):
Queen's Reich Operation mind Crime. Now it's not a fun
it's it all flows like one long song because it's
like a rock opera, correct, But uh, the entire thing
from start to finish is must listen. And it's because
of Jeff Tate. The vocalist is just clinically or you know,
like just uh, just a whole different animal as far

(01:02:48):
as vocals go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
So that's my choice.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
That's that's tremendous. And Alan, I got to tell you,
I appreciate the call. Jeff Tate actually is coming and
he's doing that Operation mind Crime album so called Final
Chapter back to back, and here's an amazing thing. And
you'll be here at the Tap on the fifteenth of May,
and then he'll drive up seventy five to seventy and

(01:03:11):
go to Hubert Heights and just outside Dayton and he'll
do it there at the Rose Music Center. So that's tremendous.
I have an embarrassing story, Alan, I appreciate the call.
It's going back to about ninety eight, I think somewhere
in that window, Quaint Trayke was playing the Gardens and

(01:03:34):
I had to take care of some business for the
radio station and went and one I was going to
the show as well, and I had to deal with
the getting stuff signed for, like auction for EBN or whatever.
And I'm hanging out there and I'm seeing the guys,
and I'm there with a date. She's hanging out with me,
and a buddy of mine goes hey. And a lot

(01:03:56):
of times you get a chance and get spoiled. You
can sometimes watch the show from the side of the
stage or whatever else. I mean, you know, it's just
one of those things, and they're okay, you just get
over here. And then they rushed us onto the stage
because that tour they had a bar that was set
up on the stage as they were working and doing it,
and it was the most embarrassing thing in the other
They wanted us to get up and dance after sitting

(01:04:18):
at the bar. I don't know if anybody it was
a big crowd, so I know a lot of people
were there, but she was so petrified and horrified of
the circumstance. And I didn't want to be on stage.
I'm not there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Nobody paid to see me. I just wanted to see
Queen's Right work.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
So that is a memory that I will never forget
in relation to the great band of Queen's Right and
Jeff Take going to be in town come may.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
So thanks for the call.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
That's great, fantastic calls in this Normally I just do
one segment, but it was overwhelming and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Not enough women getting interacted to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
And here's from psy Coolnessness or since the coolestness on
ex Jim Body says Sterling Lord's album Melodrama best album
of my lifetime nominated, It was for a Grammy and
should have won Graceland by Paul Simon also up there too. Yeah, Jim,
I cannot disagree quite break. Come back your two o'clock
report coming up sooner than later, and I'll ask you

(01:05:12):
this too about the issue of artificial intelligence. Conversation I
had with the director of AI Strategy and the Perry
Professor at the University of Cincinnati's Lendinger College of Business
gonna be on after the two thirty report, So hang out.
In less than an hour, we'll talk about the future
are of AI and how you and your kids and
I can stay relevant, employable, earning and having purpose in

(01:05:35):
life as II in a very short amount of time
is going to drastically change the way we live in
the world in which we observe and try to walk
on a regular basis.

Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
Hang out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
There's more sterling coming up on seven hundred WLW Sunday,
isn't It is hard to keep track for some reason.
Then Shawn's Mike Song, Sewan there is he's here now,
Sean McMahon hanging out.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Russ Jackson here producing as well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Later on conversation about the future and AI Director of
AI Strategy, Perry Professor, University of Cincinnati's Lendard College of Business,
Jeff Shaffer, going to talk about how we can skill
up so we're not left behind and confused and with
no purpose in life. In a matter of what they
say within five years, the whole world will be drastically different.
And speaking of you see, it will look drastically different.

(01:06:26):
You see how I'm a professional. I just tied that
right in the That was good.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
I went to school not for this but other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Anyway, what's amazing is one of the most some would
call it a brutalist bit of architecture on the University
of Cincinnati campus. That Crossley Tower is to some been
one of the most amazing things that they could ever see.
It's something that they look at fondly. Others have from

(01:06:53):
the very beginning disturbed by it, troubled by it, felt uncomfortable,
and arguably the style of architecture is maybe hard to
deal with just in general, hence the term brutalist. But
that one of the things that's amazing to me, and
it's coming down is why we're talking about it here
for a minute, and about that change, as I understand,
and Sean McMahon, who's the producer here but obviously a

(01:07:14):
UC guy into work there, is going to school there,
done a little of everything. The thing that blew me
away about this it is the second largest, as it's
been reported, single concrete poor thing ever done in the
United States. As I understand it pretty amazing, right, that
is hard to process, Yeah, from a building that people occupied. Yeah,
so I mean that's a crazy thing that it is,

(01:07:35):
just no pieces in parts, just keep bringing those trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:07:38):
Yeah, eighteen straight continuous days they poured that building. That's crazy.
I've never like, have you ever heard of construction like that.
From what I read, apparent it was the same process
they used to build like bunkers along the East Coast
during the Second World War. Yep, So they just applied
the same you know, techniques to this building on along
MLK and it's it's it's funny because it was named

(01:08:01):
one of America's like ugliest buildings on university campuses. Yeah,
and like from I mean, I guess, I guess it
always had a cult following, but like from that point forward,
it developed an even deeper cult following, and I was
proudly part of that. It was like the mid twenty
teens or late twenty teens when that article came out,
I want to say, it's like twenty seventeen or something
like that, and I fell in love with the building

(01:08:21):
because to me, yeah, it might be ugly, but it's
a it's a fun kind of ugly, like it's it's
a very distinct, unique kind of ugly that it's you
can't find it anywhere else. And you mentioned it's the
second largest continuoency pored structure in America or the world,
I think, behind the Hoover Dam.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Yeah, so literally a dam that.

Speaker 18 (01:08:41):
Holds back however, many tons of hundreds of thousands of
tons of water, not.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
As much as it used to, not as much as
you used to. See that bathroom going up there, You're like,
oh my, where the water go?

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
We drank it?

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Yeah, yeah we did.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
We got a little thirsty.

Speaker 18 (01:08:53):
Yeah yeah, we needed it. But it's it's such an
iconic building. And even people start showing up to football games.
There was always at least one guy you could see
wearing a Crosley Tower hat.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
I've never even paid attention to notice that, and I've
been i think two games, and that's right. Seriously, people
show up where it's I mean, it's mainly I think
it's just one guy or two guys, but architecture people,
I'm guessing probably, or just you know, casual appreciators. It
looked like a real I don't know what it was
made of like paper mache or something, and it could
have been too heavy because you know you're wearing it
on your head, probably not concrete, you know what. You

(01:09:25):
don't want to continue to support a concrete on your head, right,
So yeah, I saw a guy wearing a hat at
football games all the time, and it just it just
became iconic. And it was sad because I think my
freshman year of college was when they initially were like, Okay, yeah,
we are we are definitely making plans to tear down.
Is it falling down or or why are they getting
rid of it? Because I know everything changes and it

(01:09:46):
is an amazing campus. And one of the things that's
cool about you see from my experience and you went
to school there, Sewan, you live there, breath there or everything, uh,
is that you can see these changes and experimentation and
new kinds of looks of buildings that even sometimes don't
look like they should somehow stand right right. But a
lot of people, uh, I just don't understand why it's
going away.

Speaker 18 (01:10:06):
So the reason that it's going away is because it's
just structurally it's having so many issues. The biggest thing
is that it's actually sinking into the dirt. So it's
actually like the ground below it is actually moving and
it's starting to kind of fall one direction, so it's
just not stable. The concrete's kind of coming apart. Yeah,
a little bit. The Lenning Tower of Sinsey. Yeah, you

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don't want that. You don't want that dangling over a
major road, like Martin Luther King Junior. You know, like,
you don't you don't want that. That's not good for drivers.
But yeah, like it's sinking into the ground, it's having
major plumbing issues. Basically, the cost of repair would far
outweigh the cost of just let's just get rid of it.
And from what I understand, UC did not want the

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building from the beginning. They saw it and they were like,
oh man, I can't wait till that comes down. So
they've been looking for an excuse for a long time
to get rid of it. So they hated it the
way a lot of other people hate her. Yeah, yeah,
that's kind of odd that they would have it there
and it became what it is and they build it.
It was okay, it was cost was you know, accounting
was done, they budgeted it, they build it, yet they

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didn't want it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Yeah, how does that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
They just I guess they saw the final result and
they're like, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:11:16):
It's like you get a new piece of furniture in
your house and you're like, that looks awful, but I
can't return it now, Like what am I supposed to do?

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Yeah, that's a bad place to be. I got to
make the best of it. Easier to get rid of
a chair than the massive building exactly exactly, So will
people celebrate this? I mean, because I mean you think
about it when they've had other buildings, if they're going
are they going to do like an implosion kind of
scenario or how are they going.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
To do it?

Speaker 18 (01:11:40):
So the way that they're doing it is they're actually
taking it down floor by floor, so they're basically cutting
it into sections, and then I guess they're just lowering
it down to trucks below. Because if you were to
blow up that much concrete, you would have a lot
of issues. First of all, you need a lot of
expl you'd need a lot of explosive you know, TNT.
It's just kind of the fun part of you know,
people who do the demo work tremendous. Yeah, I mean

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that's fun, right. The only issue is that you have
so many buildings directly next to Crasley Tower. You got
DAP right there. I think Vashaw Hall is right next
to it. You got a parking garage attached to it.
So you have to take it down in pieces again
because it's so much concrete. Uh So in terms of
like people, I don't know about celebrating it, Like I
think people celebrate the quote unquote life of Crasley Tower

(01:12:22):
because it's fifty seven years old this year. Wo first
open in nineteen fifty seven, and it was home to
many like science labs and you know, biology, chemistry labs, sociology.
There were animals held in there like for experiment, like
not like they were torturing this poor or anything like that,
of course, but they had like they had like basically

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lab rats, you know, like they were doing important work,
like it was at George Rivashaw, a chemist that you
see who invented Benadryl was doing you did some of
his work at Crosley Tower. Like there was a lot
of important work done in that building. And I think
still takes Benadrill. Oh really yeah, And you could think
for that I did not know I learned something else.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
I know that obviously, you see had great connection Cincinnati
had great connection to with issues with like polio research
and everything else too, But I did not know about
the diephen higermen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Yeah, so thank you, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:13:14):
And I think I think the public reaction, everybody was
in agreement when it was first talked.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
About that it was coming down, that it was going
to be a sad day.

Speaker 18 (01:13:20):
When it was officially announced that yeah, we have plans,
here's when it's starting, everybody was going to be bummed.
Even the people who were like that building's ugly. Not
many people were like, you know, I'm happy it's coming down.
That thing is ugly, it's terrible. We need to get
rid of it. I think most people were like, this
is gonna be sad because it's so iconic. It's such
a a I mean, it's a massive fixture of UC's campus.

(01:13:43):
You brought up the diversity of the architecture, which is fun.
I remember the first time I came down with like,
my this is going to sound weird, and I started
to say it's so, I'm going to say it anyway.
My grandmother's boyfriend, which is weird to say, but she
was divorced. One of the early nineteen hundred stuff happens.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
So I would come down here with her from Dayton
and her boyfriend at the time. I got to see
some UC basketball, and I remember going around the campus
seeing buildings, and I was just blown away about how
different in everything walking around was.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
He may have actually gone to UC.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
I don't know, okay, but that was my introduction to
campus and all that other stuff where I was just
kind of like, oh wow, which is pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Yeah, there's like.

Speaker 18 (01:14:20):
Even like you look at some of the public comments online, like,
there's some Google reviews here that are really good. Some
of them are just like heartfelt, some of them are
a little bit more comical.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
So here's one for you.

Speaker 18 (01:14:30):
Can be scary at times, and it is poorly designed. However,
it is a trademark of UC that can be seen
from almost anywhere on campus. It would make me, along
with many others, said, if it ever actually got torn down.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
So it sounds like that they're calling it a mistake,
but it's a happy mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:14:45):
The scariest single pore of concrete that I've ever been in.
I love mister Crosley, though, final Boss of the University
of Cincinnati will stare you down from anywhere where you
are on campus. The Ultimate Building of the United States
of America. And yet that was a three star review. Apparently,
somehow the Ultimate Building of the United States of America
gets a three star review. Someone's here, like, here's more
comical stuff. Best building in town has the tastiest asbestos

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on campus. Yeah, by the way, don't eat asbestos. I
want to make sure that I have the music not
associated with any of this. Yes, I'm not either. That's
a public statement that someone made on Google. I want
to make it clear I'm not advocating for that whatsoever.
That's a bad idea. Someone even wrote a poem here.
Oh yes, it says, my eyes open from slumber. I

(01:15:29):
quickly get dressed and rush outside toast in mouth and
MacBook tucked neatly under my shoulder.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Quote.

Speaker 18 (01:15:35):
I can't wait to see him rushing up the street.
I begin to see his head, he knowing I'm coming.
Big brother always knows. This is the best part of
my morning, knowing that Crosley will see me once more
after our bitter departure of the night before.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Oh so long, oh so strong. The concrete and height everything.
I like, you are where I belong now and forever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
WOA.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
That was fair XXL, very emotional. I could feel that
it was good. We are arts and craftsy some poetry,
big one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
That's good.

Speaker 18 (01:16:01):
And I was talking to Brian Thomas about it on
Tuesday morning because I was filming in for Joe's Tracker
on fifty five KRC, and he had brought it up
because Tuesday was the day that deconstruction officially began. So
then I went down the rabbit hole of all of
these like articles that had been posted in the last
twenty four hours, and there was all kinds of cool history,
the photos of when it first opened, some basic facts

(01:16:22):
and history about it that I didn't know before. I
didn't have much of a personal connection to the building
other than I just love how it looked at Iconic.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
I love the campus.

Speaker 18 (01:16:30):
The diversity of the architecture, you know, the way that
you have old architecture mixed with new architecture, and the
way that even some of the newer architecture wraps around
the old architecture and the way that they merged together.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
That's what I love about the campus.

Speaker 18 (01:16:43):
And granted it's an you know, you can call it
an ugly building, but it's unique and it adds to
that sense of diversity on campus. So he was telling me,
Brian was that, you know, he had had a lot
of classes and classes in that building, so he had
a really deep personal connection with it. And he's like,
you know, it's funny because most of the sentimental value
I have about going to UC is really linked to

(01:17:05):
that building. And I'm like, see, that's interesting. I don't
know many people that do, because I mean I was
way late to the party. Like by the time I
was in college, it was like, yeah, we're taking it
down in the next ten years, so it was slowly
being abandoned and just people were slowly moving out their offices.
I think I went in there maybe twice, once for fun,
because I made it a goal of mine before I

(01:17:27):
even started going to UC, like months leading into my
freshman year, that I was going to learn the name
of every building on campus and I was going to
go inside and check them out for myself because I
just wanted to know what do they look like on
the inside. I'm going to be here for the next
four years. I'm gonna be curious about this stuff. They
didn't do that for your tour. No, No, I gave
myself a tour. I did, Yeah, I mean I got

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to see like the dorm I was living in and
stuff like that, and I got to see the campus.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
But I mean I didn't really need a tour.

Speaker 18 (01:17:53):
I had been on campus so many times, and I
went up by myself, like everybody's there with their parents,
and I'm just like, hey, it's just me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
You know.

Speaker 18 (01:18:02):
You just give me the lecture on the on the
material of UC and and the academic material.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
That's fine, that's all I need. I can give myself
a tour. I know where I'm going. Yeah, and you
try to figure it out. By the way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Sean McMahon, of course a producer here talking about this
Crosley tower that's going to go bye bye eventually. It's
going to take a little longer than some other buildings.
February of next year. That's that's a long deconstruction. Yeah,
that is what that is, and demolition that goes along
with that, and then who knows what comes next. Was
Sterling on the big one, you know. The other thing,
of course, is the Crossley connection. Pal Crawsley, Junior of
course going back to the early Roaring twenties, like the

(01:18:39):
twenties two. Yeah, and of course, you know, in that
window of time, they basically created seven hundredu w ulw
in that window, we just celebrated one hundred and four
more years at one hundred and four years, I guess, yeah,
which is astounding amazing. And there you've got we have radio.
We need a state or a station and then radio

(01:19:01):
and they made it all happen. I mean, it was
a pretty amazing thought process to go with it. I mean,
I'm just trying to get the dog outside, and they're
you know, we have broadcast technology and then here we
are the nation station.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Of all the other buildings.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
I'm wondering because I think most campuses a lot of cities,
whether it's bridges when we think about Brent Spence Bridge,
and a lot of people love that mess that's going
to you know, obviously have a companion bridge sooner than
later with seventy one seventy five of stuff that used
to be that isn't anymore, or stuff that you love
that you can't imagine ever going away. I mean, there's

(01:19:35):
a lot of stuff in the skyline here in other
places that go with it. Is there any other building
that you have a connection to that you can remember,
like as a kid, for me growing up in Dayton
before you know, coming here the first time, and all
I can remember leaving Dayton and whether it was coming
to Cincinnati for the Reds games or whether going to Florida,
which really sticks out as a kid too. Yeah, you'd

(01:19:55):
pass like what was at that point Dayton Power and Lights,
big building near ud Okay, and I was like, okay,
leave in town. Then you go through a Moraine and
you go I smell what now is like Mount Roumky Yeah,
and then sorry, Moraine. I have relatives in the area.
I'm not hating on you and the people are hating
me now and then driving through, but there's certain stuff
that sort of sticks out. It's like, oh, this is
that town. This is that Like if they ever took

(01:20:17):
down the arch, the gateway to the West on the
West Bank near Bush Stadium in Saint Louis, Yeah, I mean,
would you recognize anything in Saint Louis.

Speaker 18 (01:20:24):
Otherwise I don't know that I would, honestly. I mean,
what else do you know Saint Louis for other than
the Cardinals and formerly the Rams right. Yeah, yeah, the
arch is there, that's their icon, right. I think maybe
for me that's a good question. I would say the
Big Mack Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Yeah, that's true. I mean it's monument.

Speaker 18 (01:20:41):
It looks exactly like Pittsburgh's bridge, it does, but it
stands out you know, it's it's big, it's yellow, it's
it's got a unique design. Even the suspension bridge, like
Russ just mentioned, Yeah, that the suspension bridge. I really
started learning about about the suspension bridge much later on
how it was. Yeah, it was a it was a
precursor essentially the one in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Cincinnati, take it over the Ohio and then go to
you know, much bigger stuff in New York, which is
that's an amazing thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
I I just it's hard for me to imagine the
brain power that goes into the vision, aside from the engineering.
Ye just to say okay, we're going to solve this problem.
AI will help me get there, right. These people did
not have that, which is also a wild thing.

Speaker 18 (01:21:24):
Incredible, man. Engineering is amazing, especially when you look at
how it was done in this city. Now, it's a
shame that, like some of these our old infrastructure is
literally collapsing before our eyes. You know, they've been doing
tons of projects to work on the Roebling Bridge, and
unfortunately there's nothing they can do for Crosley Tower.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
I wanted to give a couple more facts here.

Speaker 18 (01:21:43):
There was actually a UC student who made a type
font that was inspired by the design language.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
When you look at the font a little bit. Yeah,
but I almost always good for people's reading.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
We'll read more.

Speaker 15 (01:21:55):
My eyes hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
It hurts.

Speaker 18 (01:21:57):
I almost kind of want my email signature to be
that funt because it's so cool. I don't know how
I can get it. It's I wonder if it's publicly accessed.
They call it brutalist, or they call it Crossley.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
What do they call it? You know, that's a good question, somebody.
You should have had that ready, yes, And I should
have had the name of the student ready.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
And I'm sorry. I know that's all right. You knew
I was going to ask the most like thing that
is going to put you in in the weeds. I
didn't mean to do it, but I'm good at doing that.

Speaker 18 (01:22:19):
But apparently the shape of the building was meant to
help exhaust the science lab fumes from the building. The
way that it's like to let it get out, yeah, exactly,
to get it away from the building and through the neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, right, precisely. Yeah,
send it through the houses of the neighborhood. Fine, kids
are fine. There's there's some other really funny public reviews
here is like there's a lot of people talking about ghosts.

(01:22:40):
There's one that says, minus the shadow people whispering in
the halls, the vibes are immaculate.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Now, these are college students probably coming up with this
other may some other type of assistance to have that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Do you think there's anything haunted there? I mean it's
an old campus. There's gotta be.

Speaker 18 (01:22:54):
There if you believe thing right, I don't know what
building would be Like Crosley, of all of them, kind
of makes the most sense because people like to hate
on it the most more than any other building. Like
you wouldn't look at the Athletic build million, Yeah it's haunted.
Like that doesn't really make any sense. But like you
look across and you tell someone that's haunted, Like you
could convince a few people who are toring the campus like,
oh wow, that's a haunted building.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah, you know, you look at the athletic facility. You're like,
there's no way that's haunted. That doesn't make any sense.
So you know, it's sad.

Speaker 18 (01:23:22):
It's a sad day to know that it's days are numbered,
it's on borrowed time, and by this time next year
it'll be it'll be gone. And I think by February
of twenty twenty nine they'll have a new science, Technology, engineering,
and math building in that exact print, Yeah, in that
footprint right there, So they'll have a new building as
they do like every year. You know, there's always a

(01:23:44):
new building popping up on that campus because you see
under constructions to that old jokes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
And that's the beauty of it really because it is
constantly changing, you bringing new minds and new ideas and
new things. So I mean it's just ever changing and
always Thanks for coming in and doing this. You did
a great job.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 18 (01:24:00):
I'm going to miss that concrete monolith that someone described
as a sentinel looking over Clifton and the greater Cincinnati area.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
I don't know how it works with licensing, but I
could see Sincy shirts or somebody else getting some shirts
together that yeah, I will buy one right now if
they make one, I will buy five of them. I
don't want to tell anybody how to handle their money,
but we're all good at it with sports teams. Everybody
likes to tell the Bengals how to handle their business
or the Reds, right exactly. I don't want to interfere
with the University of Cincinnati. There's a lot of a

(01:24:28):
lot of weight there, powerful people, right right, But that's
one of those where'd be like, yeah, I get I
get a little of that. So if they could find
a way to do it, that might be way to
maybe raise some money for charitable stuff or something along
those lines too. We also we got a bounce, we
got other stuff to speaking in the University of Cincinnati
and the future director of AI Strategy Perry Professor University
of Cincinnati's Lender College of Business, Jeff Schaeffer, going to

(01:24:49):
join me conversation I had with him about the future.
Five years from now, life as we know it will
not be. It will be something completely different. How do
you stay relevant, how do you stay vital? How do
you you have a future in this or your kids?
We'll talk about that after your two third report. Right here,
Sterling and a Sean McMahon and Russ Jackson and Sandy Collins.
I think with those or somebody else's coming in. I

(01:25:10):
don't know who, maybe Matt. Seven hundred double LW.

Speaker 14 (01:25:23):
The same.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
The longest time is coming for us, all artificial intelligence,
the robots taking our jobs. The question, of course, what
is it that you and your kids and I and
Alex Egano's producing or Sandy Collins can do or are
willie to skill up around what we already do to
embrace AI and have a future where we're not going

(01:25:45):
I have no idea what I'm going to do with
my life. A guy who knows all about these things.
The director of AI Strategy and Perry Professor the University
of Cincinnati Lendner College of Business, Jeff Shaeffer, Welcome back
to seven hundred double You well w with Sterling.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
How are you this fine Sunday?

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
I appreciate you making time.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
So what is the first thing someone should look at
is they assess their current situation in looking ahead in
whatever industry, whatever trade, whatever it is that they do
to make a living or have a passion that they
should be looking to improve upon to be able to
stick around and keep doing something anything and have a future.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Well, these are all great questions and questions that I think,
you know, we're pondering in this age of AI. Here, right,
we have six thousand students as an example, at the
Lennar College of Business, you see, and we're talking about
these same things. So one of the things that we've
done is kind of put these into i'll call them
buckets of competencies. Right, and so you have some basic

(01:26:53):
things about career readiness, professionalism, you know, things that before
AI we'd still talk about, right, showing up to work
and prepare, you know, accountability, respect all all of those things.
What's really changed now is the tech side of it, right,
tech savviness and trying to be fluent in that, in
that in those tools and in those those language and

(01:27:15):
the other thing that probably doesn't get enough talk. And
when we're all talking about technology, are we skilled up
in the AI uh space with these tools and uh uh,
these these new things right that that potentially make us better, faster, smarter. Uh,
we don't lose the human element. The human element may
in fact become more important than the tech element in

(01:27:37):
all this. So when you ask that question, I think
the first thing is don't be afraid of it. I
think you got to lean into the technology. At Pandora's
boxes open. You know, everything is AI and it's been
around for a long time. It's like you say, oh,
I don't want to use AI. Well, you're you're watching
Netflix tonight right that that that has AI in it,
So you know everything has AI built into these things.

(01:27:59):
It's just getting more ingrained into the things that we do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Talking to Jeff Schaeffer, he is the director of AI Strategy,
Perry Professor, University of Cincinnati's Lendner College of Business.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
With Sterling on the Big One.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
So as we look at the future of jobs and
what is coming next, you mentioned about being more tech
savvy for someone who's using some tech but not a
lot of tech. Talking to friends, I've had other people
that are supposedly experts about this. They sort of say,
a lot of the trades are probably less likely to
have a major hit to their future earning possibilities by AI,

(01:28:32):
but there is some AI that can be utilized to
help them and what they're doing regardless of that. So
this is already sort of getting into every aspect of
our lives. Anyway, whether it's the algorithms for stuff we're streaming,
or even your car that gives you that you know,
oh you got you're out of your lane, or you're
you're too close to somebody, let's hit that brake for you.
I mean, these are all elements that over the last

(01:28:53):
decade have sorely, you know, sort of like bounced into
our everyday lives.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
Correct, Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 11 (01:29:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
If you look, if you want to talk about trades,
certainly the we call this the world model, you know,
the human elements. Again, AI doesn't have the concept of
physics and gravity and things that are in our natural world,
so it's a lot harder and people are chasing that problem.
So Elon Musk is building you know, millions of robots.

(01:29:22):
We'll get there and there will be people that are
replaced from human tasks, just like you know in a factory.
But that doesn't mean everything is going to get replaced, right,
And so when you go back to any of this,
I think we got to look at what that is.
So from a technical standpoint, let's talk about that learning
what AI is good at and what AI cannot do,

(01:29:42):
at least in the short term. In the midterm and
following that and staying on top of it. We had
an alumni in this week and he said something to
us that we need to teach the students to learn
how to learn faster. Right. They need to be able
to pick up these things quicker. They need to be
able to adapt to change faster than need to apply
those human things that I talked about, like question framing,

(01:30:04):
how do you frame the question? Like that's more important
than the technical side. Being technical in this day and
age is going to get wiped out before the critical
thinking right, interpreting the generation because understanding is this thing
that just generated? Is it right? Or is it wrong?
How do I know that right? And that comes from
experience business context, right, being able to put it in

(01:30:25):
a business context. I give you an example, like for
automating an invoice flow. You know, every business has an invoice,
Every invoice has a date on it, and every invoice
has an amount on it. And so that sounds like
something that could be easily automated. And then you say, okay,
well what about medical invoicing? Now just think about the
complexities I just introduced, right with insurance companies and doctors

(01:30:47):
and why it's being invoiced and all those things, and
so you have to have a domain expertise, and then
you have to be able to apply that domain expertise
to AI to get results that are worthwhile, because otherwise
you're just real eying on a generation, right, I mean
word generation that's going to give you answers. How do
you know it's right? How do you know that workflow

(01:31:08):
is right? How do you know that what it produced
is accurate? And so being able to understand the technical
side enough, the domain side enough, and then being able
to apply i'll call it the personal traits right, the
human elements, the critical thinking, the judgment, the ethical reasoning, accountability,
all of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Is there still a need for people to do coding
and learn different programming languages? Because it was less than
a decade to fifteen years ago, hanging out with friends
and their kids and talking about the future and what
they need. We need coders, we need coders, we need coders.
A decade later, it seems like a lot of that
stuff is sort of fallen to the wayside.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Is that the case? Or am I misunderstanding where we
are in what's coming?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
No, there is an absolute risk there of that I
was Vibe coding this week, which means that I'm not
writing any code myself. I'm giving directions to the computer
to generate the code. And it was in a language
called Python and I and I also was doing some
web page stuff in HTML, and so these sound technical.
Then you say, okay, well, how did I know what

(01:32:13):
question to ask? How did I know enough about HTML
or Python, these languages to ask the question to get
what I want? Because I got exactly what I want
and I didn't have to write a line of code.
So then put that in perspective to students. You may
not need to know all the details of how to
do it, because I you know, with code complete, and

(01:32:33):
you know generation of code now it's a GitHub copilot
and tools like that, it'll generate the code for me.
So I go back to how do I know that
code is correct? How do I put that code in production?
How do I monitor that code is doing the right thing?
How do I make sure that code is compliant legally?
If it's making a business decision, what kind of decision
is it making. Is it making a high risk decision

(01:32:53):
or is it making a low risk decision? And so,
while there's lots of tasks out there. If it's folding
my laundry like a you know, think about a robot
for an example, that's a low risk task and if
it makes a mistake, no problem. But if it's making
a medical decision, that could be a high risk, right.
And so the short answer, yes, I think humans are
critical in this in some form or fashion, but also

(01:33:16):
acknowledging people make mistakes too, right, And so I think
the collaboration of the technology and the people is what's
key getting that balance.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Director of AI Strategy and PERI Professor University of Cincinnati's
Lender College of Business, Jeff Schaeffer was sterling on the
Big One talking about the future of jobs and how
we can better position ourselves moving ahead. These skills related
to artificial intelligence, and I don't know what you don't
call it the right term here, whether it's future proofing
whatever else. I just want to place in the future regard.

(01:33:44):
You know, whether you're driving on seventy four now or
two seventy five, whatever, and you're thinking like what's next.
You know, you're thirty five years old, You've got a family,
You're thinking how to how do I make sure that
I'm safe? And you think about this protection issue. You
talk about data interpretation, the learning, machine learning stuff and
problems solving. How do you know is there if I

(01:34:05):
go to UC or if I go to somewhere else,
are there online tools that you can sort of take
some type of tutorial or something to sort of get
a firm grip on it. Because if you're already you know,
doing what you do and making your way through the world,
sometimes it's hard to make time to do the continuing
education that's necessary to stay relevant.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Loads of resources out there, right, there's all kinds of
YouTube free resources that are available. But if you want
to dive deeper into those things, yes, a program like
you see. We offer workshops for people who are busy
professionals and just want to come learn a little bit.
We have certificate programs if you want to dive deeper.
We have degree programs, right, if you want to get
a degree in this. So if I'm out there thinking

(01:34:49):
about it, I'm gonna not be scared of it. I'm
going to try to embrace it in some sense. Even
if you're even if you put yourself in the anti
AI category, just recognize it's like saying I'm anti automobile
right everywhere. And yeah, so so you know you have
to figure out how it's going to incorporate into those things.
From a standpoint of changing careers or advancing or trying

(01:35:13):
to do something else, I'd probably be thinking about, Okay, well,
how can I leverage AI to make me better and
faster at doing the things I want to do? Think
about if you ever had an idea and you want
to build a business, well, gosh, it's probably never been
a better time. Think about you know, years ago, how
would you get a website? Well, you'd have to hire
somebody to go build a website for you. Right today,

(01:35:34):
you don't have to do that. There's loads of places
to go and you could spin up a website in
a few hours and your you know, your website would
be ready to go. And that goes for every single
task of what you're doing in the business. You could
have ideas and you could brainstorm faster, you can create
marketing products faster, you can create content faster, and so
it really leverages anybody to be able to kind of

(01:35:56):
level the playing field, if you will. Anybody can level
up to do what they need to do in that space.
And so yes, go get some training find out how
to do some of these things and see if you
can leverage them in whether it's your daily work at
your office, or whether it's something new you want to try.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
You know, It's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
When I was coming up, it was always sterling as
it possible you could fix the VCR, so it's not
blinking twelve for my mom.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
And now I get the I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Understand why I can't get from YouTube back to the
iHeartRadio app and then back to Netflix. Why can't I
just just I'm like, look, it's a different device. It's
a whole nother scenario. There's always this gap as we
sit here now. If you have kids and they're coming up,
and I've seen it with my friends and some of
my relatives kids, they're born with the device in their hand.
They're already aware of what this is, or maybe don't

(01:36:44):
have an idea is to giving it a name, to
say it's artificial intelligence. But they're born in living in it,
in a wash in it. Are they feeling stressed? Should
they feel stressed? Or is this just as simple and
easy for adaptation as it was maybe for coming up.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
I think that's a real.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Challenge for parents and that's that's not just an AI thing.
I think that was a result of you know, our
social media generation, as content got shorter and faster and
in your face, right through reels, tiktoks even now LinkedIn
and Instagram and you know, all these channels and it's
it's just kind of flowing, and that makes it hard

(01:37:23):
because there's a lot more noise out there. And then
throw the AI component on that weaponized you know, social media,
and now you have content you don't know whether it's real,
you don't know whether it's fake, you don't know you know,
why we're so polarized. All those things could probably come
back to those those elements, So that that is a
hard challenge to counteract that. I would say, you know,

(01:37:44):
we have to slow down a little bit, you know,
work fast with technology, but slow down when it comes
to the critical thinking, the discernment, those again, those human elements,
because that's that's how we're going to have to implement
and apply these these tools.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
Jeff Safer is the director of Artificial Intelligence Strategy, the
Perry Parry Professor, University of Cincinnati Lindner College of Business.
AI should help me be able to slow down and
enunciate that would help. What about the issue of understanding
what people are going through in the eighties to the nineties,
huge technological change, industry change, russ Belt issues people, you know,

(01:38:24):
the despondency in all the things. As time moves on,
we saw people left behind, multi generations dealing with emotional stress,
not necessarily balancing back and taking a couple of decades
really to even navigate that. In some cases where we
sit right now in twenty twenty six, I'm curious about
the issue of ethics and understanding what is coming because,

(01:38:46):
as you've described it and many others have, what's ahead
of us is supposed to be in what we're in
the middle of or in the early stages, is supposed
to be what the most dramatic change in human history
and advancement of technology. And that's a lot to deal with,
not just hey, an auto industry or something was outsourced overseas,

(01:39:06):
and now how do I have purpose. There's a lot
of layers to that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
It's complicated and it's a lot to figure out. There
are things that we certainly should should be scared of
in that realm, but there's there's so many unknowns, right,
you know, we talked, I think on the last time
about h You know, lower level jobs are getting replaced, right,
you know, they're they're they're only keeping the higher level,
more skilled people. And the problem with that is is

(01:39:34):
where do those highly skilled people come from? Right? They
come from lower level jobs that are trained up. And
so we have to think through that. You know, it's
the same thing with coding. You could say, oh, well,
don't be a coder because we don't know anybody, you know,
we're not going to need to code. Well, where did
the computer learn to code? Right? It didn't learn to
code on its own. It learned to code from best
practices of people doing it for decades. And so we

(01:39:56):
are the engine that feeds that knowledge and we shouldn't
forget that, right, And so yeah, where do we fit
in the picture? This is akin to back in the
day we had automation that replaced muscles. You know. Now
we're at automation trying to replace cognition. And it's not there,
you know, it's it's getting there, and it's moving, and

(01:40:18):
it's moving very fast. It can do things that are
either very domain specific that humans can't do, or it
can do generalized things not as well as humans can do.
And so that's where we are at the moment. Where
we go in the future, you know, people are chasing
the idea that a computer will be better at us
than everything at some point agi artificial general intelligence. I

(01:40:41):
don't know if we'll get there anytime soon, but that
is the that is the goal, right, And so in
that world, then you really have to think about where
we are. That's that's a human race sort of question, right.
But I think today we have to think about keeping
that human in the loop in some form or fashion,
and at least for all of those things I outlined right,

(01:41:04):
just to make sure that we are providing that critical thinking,
the problem solving those things that today are very very
important in those processes.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
Before we let you go, and I really appreciate you
you making time, and I hope you'll come back. Jeff Schaeffer,
by the way, is the director of AI Strategy and
Peri Professor University of Cincinnati's Lendard College of Business. In
about a minute or so, is someone's driving around right
now that got the kids in the car coming back
from brunch church whatever else it is that they got
going on in this beautiful day in the Troy State.
If you like cold weather especially and you're trying to

(01:41:37):
think of Okay, if I want to get a plan
together and I want to start working this, you don't
want to stress out. You don't want to be overwhelmed.
What's the first thing someone should do if they're looking
to try to find a way to get to the
next level?

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
How about a fun exercise? How about we use AI
to help us answer that question? Go out to many
many free resources, Google, Gemini, Chat, GPT, Claude. You can
use their free tool and use AI and try it
and ask those questions and see if you can formulate
a plan. Spend ten or fifteen minutes going back and
forth prompting and asking questions like that, what could I do?

(01:42:12):
Where could I go? What about researching? And just give
it a try and see what it finds for you,
because you'll, I think most people who aren't familiar with
that will be amazed as what you could get done
and what you could do in fifteen minutes or twenty
minutes or thirty minutes. And that would be a way
to kind of get your feet wet into something like
that and then maybe go explore some training on this,

(01:42:33):
whether it's a U see at the University of Cincinnati
or somewhere else. Go out and look for some classes
and say, hey, you know what, I'm gonna sit through
a few hours of this and see what I can learn,
see what I can pick up from that, and then
see what I can apply pack it at my job.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Give me a solution for my future.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
It's the right question, prompted the right way to the
right AI could perhaps be the difference in everything. It's
good to talk to you. I appreciate you making time.
I hope you enjoyed the rest of your weekend. Jeff
Schaeffer's the direct actor of AI Strategy. Perry Professor, University
of Cincinnati, Linder College of Business. Thank you for making time.
Take care of yourself, Jeff. We'll check it in soon.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Always great talking with you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Take care of.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
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