Sterling 2/13/26

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
February the thirteen, twenty twenty six, Sterling stepping at the
Nation station of what you're listening to seven hundred WLW.
A lot of phobias, a lot of fears, unreasonable, irrational,
maybe big movie franchise for sure. Guy on the line
knows a little bit about dysfunction, putting the fun in
it into getting people's minds right when they've dealt with

(00:22):
some issues of one type of strife or another. Doctor
David Lowenstein from dr Lowenstein dot com Lowenstein on Associates
in Columbus, Doctor Lownstein, welcome back to seven hundred WLW.
Are you frightened and afraid and uncomfortable joining me on
the big one tonight? This Friday the thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I charted some salt of my left shoulders, so I'm okay, hope.
So that's good.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Let's hope you're doing all right. I'm trying to be okay.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I am, I am, I am. How it's an interesting
day it is?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
How big of a problem is this for people? I
talked to a guy that I used to work with
earlier today and he told me he and his wife
for planning on going out for Valentines, which of course
is tomorrow Saturday night, and said that the wife put
the kaibage on it because she knew he was uncomfortable.
So they're gonna punt until either tomorrow or Sunday. And

(01:13):
I was really taken back because he seems reasonable and
rational and well put together. So I'm wondering, are reasonable
and rational people afflicted by phobia, whether it's Friday the
thirteenth or other things, be it heights or flying or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know, I mean, definitely, anxiety just sort of said
the largest, the more common disorder that people can have
in the country. And you know, I mean, I think
more and more people are making fun of it, I
think than not. I mean, it's interesting today. I found
three different things that were interesting. Two people, if I
would have never known, I ran into the bank. Two
people thought about. One person it was their mother's birthday today,

(01:52):
and another person is they had grandmothers and twins that
were in today on the thirteenth. So those families are
hopefully happy unless the child has horns or something like that,
because they have born, you know, on Friday the thirteenth.
But a lot of people just really enjoyed it. You know,
I think it's a fun thing to live through.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, exactly to live through, right, if you survive, but
it's great if it's if you don't, well, you know,
it's another story. So when you say anxiety is the
biggest we know about, uh, you know, anxiety, obsessive, compulsive disorders.
There's lots of disorders that are out there, but anxiety
really affects people young and old and across every social strata.

(02:33):
When you say it's leading, like, of all the things
that are going on dysfunction wise, how big is that population.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I mean, that's a big population.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know, there's some studies to say one or four
people are suffering from anxiety. But at least everybody knows
what anxiety it feels like, because if you're over the
age of like twenty, you've had an anxiety attack or
some major anxiety thing happened to you that exists felt
like oh my god, and it really hits home. Everything
kind of stops. It feels like your hard stuff. That's

(03:05):
you know that those are what happens sometimes for people.
That's the anxiety. The good news is that we don't
have to get that bad. We can just some people
thinks that sail the regular anxiety wherever. It's like, you know,
they're going to be traffic for them, They're going to
be able to pay those bills, and you know it's like, oh,
the heating bill is going to be large this year
because of the snow in February, and they just gets
so worked up about it. And I think, you know,

(03:27):
we all look for ways to be able to deal
with this, and one of the fun ways to deal
with it is to be superstitious on Friday the thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Now, you know, whether it's you know, anxiety about that
project the kid has at school do Monday that they
wait till Sunday night for which I'm notorious for it,
whether it's a work related thing where you got to
you have a meeting or something scheduled and so forth.
I mean, this affects everyone from every walk of life.
What are the like, the best strategies for people who

(03:56):
really find themselves maybe afflicted with some type phobia such
as this to the point where it paralyzes them. Because
I've known people like that, and it doesn't necessarily have
to be you know, medicine or self medicating, drinking or
drugging or whatever, though some people do. Those are their
go tos.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Right, and I think that you know, I think if
you're experiencing that much anxiety, you know the one thing
that I think we have to work think through it.
And what I mean by that is this will be over.
It's like the sell it. Come up tomorrow and everything
will be different and you'll have a different perspective. Man,
that sleepwelts and I think you're gonna be worried about it.
But when you wake up tomorrow, hopefully you can put

(04:34):
it to Like I survived the evening. Now I can
focus on things, all the things.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
I was worried about yesterday, and just.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Look through it more than be stuck in it, if
that makes sense. Some of us, when we have anxiety
just we stay in it. We stay in our own
little circle and we just think of it winding around
and round and round and running. What happens, we get
worse and worse sometimes, and the worst you get, the
more it affect your life, your health, your everything. I mean,
it's not worth it. And usually the stuff that we're

(05:02):
anxious about, not all the time, but a good percentage
of the stuff that we get anxious about are not
really things that we need to worry that much about
things are going to fix and get straight. Yeah, February
February heating bill is going to be larger. But you
know what, Marsh may not because it's supposed to be
in the sixties next week. So you know, he just
kind of looked through it more than be stuck in it.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I had an uncle, doctor Lowenstein, and he told me
that this type of stuff is he described I think
he called it first world problems. The people in other
parts of the world don't have time to worry about
the insignificant stuff because they're literally worried about surviving in
some fashion. Is there some truth to that or is
he simplifying?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I think I don't know about you, but I grew
up with when I didn't finish my meal. You know,
there's people, there's kids in the opera or Reverence, South
Africa or whatever. We're starving to death right now. So
it was always a big thing. Wasn't I usual up
by your mom?

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Absolutely, yeah. I was always could send it to them.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I grew up with that, right, So I see, you
grow up with that. So when this stuff comes around,
you start going forth to I just like you know,
you don't want to disappoint people. You don't want to
take any anxiety. Just look cruiz. That's the biggest thing
I can say to people. It's like you don't maybe
yes enough that you can't sleep. See, have to get
some medication. It's not the worst thing in the world.

(06:25):
There's good medications to that or for anxiety. We don't
have to be doped up like they were in the
sixties with using value and things like that. There's a
lot of their medications nowadays they don't. It's to that
point that you know that we remember our parents or
grandparents that when in the nineteen sixties of their life.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Talking to doctor David Lowenstein. Lowenstein and Associates is based
on Columbus D. R. Lowenstein dot com with Stirling on
the big one. So does the phobia issue, whether it's
Friday the thirteenth or a ragnophobia, which they've made a
film or two about right with spiders and chesh don't
most hear it now? Right? Claustrophobia that's the closed paces

(07:03):
and so forth? Does this go hand in hand with
the issues of obsessive compulsive disorder and so on. I
have a buddy of mine and he fixates on counting
and like light switches and stuff like this. As a
guy another guy I used to work with. It sounds
like I've worked with some weirdos. Maybe it's me, maybe

(07:23):
it's you. Right, how closely are are those things together,
because that's sort of a way of someone dealing with
it too, doing the light switch so many times, or
the door handle.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Or they're all under those are all under the anxiety
disorder like head label and obsessive compulsive. Yeah, there's certain
things that we all little be good that we you know,
we'd like to put our left sock on before right side.
But some people get really where they can't do something,
they can't go to bed till they check every light
and every light switch and every this and every that

(07:54):
and make sure it's all closed. And it becomes a
real obsession where besides being compulsive, you know it compulsibly,
it's like it's just you're obsessive of it to the
point where you can't let it go.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
People get paralyzed by that, right too.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Also paralyzed. You can be it's hard to believe, yet yes,
can be paralyzed. Sometimes given to the point where they
can't leave and leave their house. They're so they're so
paranoid about things that they just they become a gore public,
which is another, you know, another anxiety disorder where people
who were either stuck in their house or stuck in
their county. Had a cousin in Upstate New York who

(08:30):
was agrob a goro phobic. I'm sorry to the county
that she lived in. She had never traveled except for
one time from my daughter's first Holy cameeron and she
drove from Upstate New York. The Columbus Island came and
it was the only time she had left in thirty
five years the county.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Now, did it go well or did she immediately go
back to New York and was like, I'm never leaving again.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Give me say she stayed after the weekend and drove
back and that's the last time she left the county.
And she's happy she did it. And she did it
because she knew that her cousin was you know, her nephew,
I mean, was a cousin. Her cousin was a psychologist,
and I would talk her through it if she had
a panic attack.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Built into support system by way of credentials and experience.
That's right, it's a beautiful thing to have that one
in your pocket, Doctor Lowinson.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Absolutely, I was well, I was well willing to do
it for her to coming here. That's absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Now, how does this stuff usually like the genesis of
it is a result of something bad occurring or is
it something I mean, how does this stuff start? Because
I've seen it in young people. I've seen it and
older people too.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Absolutely. I mean we all have, you know, nightmares and
things like that for whatever reason, and we see things
or we think of things or whatever, and it's just
it's part of what we grow up doing. And when
some people just it really can get to them, I mean,
and it's just we all have little bits and basis
of anxiety, you know, when it's uh, if you've ever
had like an accident in the snow, He's driving in

(09:58):
the snow really really really I know that, and I
spent thirty years ago in the snow into this day.
I feel like all the car is doing is slipping
and sliding on these roads when if there's just even
a dab of snow on the ground, because it's just
you know, really that instant remembrance. It's a phobia about it.
I don't like these drivers in this time, he's just
he's just comes and then if he just builds, it

(10:21):
could build more and more and more based on what
we do. We don't do about it. And it's like,
if I really wanted to work on it, I would
do something to work on it. But you know what,
you can manage. I can manage the rest of my
life without having to drive in bad weather.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Which really, by the way, is not necessarily a bad choice.
But the reason.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm going to right, it's compared to I'm going to
live the rest of my life in my house because
I can't leave my house.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Right, that's a lot more.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Of my anxiety. You know, I can live with, you know,
not going up in tall buildings and looking off the
edges and you know, not doing those things.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I can live my whole life that way.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, I think so, doctor, so far. Yeah you're still here.
It's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Do They sometimes start with a reasonable fear as a
result of maybe a crash in the snow or something
bad happening, and then it snowballs, pardon the power deliberately
into something.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
More, you know, absolutely, I mean sometimes it's sometimes it's
a movie. I mean, it's what your brain remembers at
the time. I mean, for you know, I mean some
movie maybe that you've got really really scared about it,
or some of your nightmare that you have. I mean,
we don't know where it comes from. It just comes.
And what we do is we kind of obsessed about it.
We get worried about it to the point where then

(11:34):
it really becomes where it starts eating at us, and
you know, and the anxiety gets worse and worse and worse,
and some people it's overwhelming, and some people you wouldn't
know they have anxiety because it's the majority, the majority,
the highest majority of diagnosed psychas or illnesses is anxiety.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Now, is there a way to effectively rewire because we
talked about this before, doctor Lowenstein, the fact that most
of or motivated by pleasure and pain. So if you
can somehow reassociate pleasure or pain appropriately with certain stimuli,
is there a way to sort of work through it
that way or does it just depend on the individual people?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Sound like the sixties marijuana did that for a long time.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, there's a dispensary just down the road here.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, there we go, and now they legalized here we
go you know, yeah, you know, I mean they just think,
you know, do whatever you do, whatever you need to
do to.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Cut it relax. And if that means going for a walk,
and go for a walk. If it means listen to music,
listen to music. If it means writing and you know,
writing in a jurnald and do that. If it means
sitting at in your backyard and they share and just
watching the sunset, then do that is compared to being
inside or locking or thinking about this really negative thing

(12:49):
that's occupying most of your mind right now?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
What if I not in part it is a small part,
but we let so many little things just sort of
build up to where we do it avoid dealing with
with that.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Life getting our way right. We let life getting our
way right, and then we realized that maybe at some
point when we're through all those same things every week's great,
try to change it earlier.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, And sometimes we waste a lot of time doing
that thing, whether it's relationships with friends, professionally, family, et
ceteraly it's very challengingly. What have I not asked about
this that you think is relevant? Somebody driving down Interstate
seventy one right now headed downtown, going to get a
bite to eat. It's Friday the thirteenth, And then they
heard us talking about this, Y're like, oh, hell, I
don't know if we ought to do this or not.
We had a reservation at nine thirty, We got eight

(13:34):
minutes to get there. How do we deal with it?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Drive slow, take your time. If you're five minutes later,
they won't be that angry, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I mean, it's just we can live through it.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Does You don't have to die from anxiety. Very few
people die from anxiety. They die from the effects of anxiety.
And I think that, you know, take care of ourselves.
Do something like I said, don't live in it.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Look through it.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
That's the better thing. Look on the other side of it.
There is another side of this, and you get to
that other side by trying trying to make what you
can do and fix the other side of this.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, that helps I feel better, like you've helped already somehow,
even as I just sit here trying to make sense
of this, I tell you the truth. Whether it's dealing
with court litigation situations and therapeutic services and relationship stuff,
you name it, it's always good to sort of get
people's mind right and associate the right things with being helpful,

(14:28):
and we really appreciate you making time. You can find
out more about doctor Lowenstein at d R Lowenstein dot com.
Doctor David Lowenstein, thank you for making time, and hopefully
we'll catch up again soon.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I hope so also, buddy.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's been too long. Take care of yourself.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
We'll catch up again soon. All right, So here's what
I want to know. I want to know what you're
afraid of. Do you have a fear of Friday the thirteenth?
Do you have a fear in some type of way
of winter itself, of snow, of driving, whatever it is
that scares you. We'll talk phobias and more straight away.
Kevin Carr will talk about I think he went to
see weathering heights. But of course we'll have to dive

(15:06):
into the Friday the thirteenth realm as well. So all
that is coming up a little bit later. We'll get
into that, and doctor or no, Dave Patter going to
join us, their cybersecurity expert. I got doctors on the mind.
I must need some healing. We will talk to Dave
Hatter about your phone, your technology, and even maybe your
doorbell camera or security systems. If you're like a lot

(15:28):
of us, like Russ Jackson and his compound with cameras
on cameras for that matter, apparently they can be accessed
even if you're not paying for that subscription. Maybe even
apparently if you don't want to have anything out there,
it can be gotten, whether it incriminates you or maybe
someone in the neighborhood who's done something that they should
not be. That's in the news and we'll talk to

(15:49):
Dave Hatter about it later on tonight as well. Glad
you're here, Friday the thirteenth, Sterling hanging out, Nation Station,
seven hundred WLW stuck at home, hiding out. I'm afraid
of what might be lurking around every corner, or maybe
just having an adult beverager. So joining us here at
the Nation Station with Stirling seven hundred w welw. Kevin,

(16:09):
how are you, mister silver Gecko on the substack? What's
going on?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Not much. I am having an adult beverage. I have
to admit good stuff may happen, you know, you never know.
I'm unleashed.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's okay, it's after dark. Everything's fine, Everything's just fine.
Oh no, oh, no, it's happening again. When I worked
at the Putt Putt Kevin Carr years ago, I would
late at night and I would go, there's a whole
in one on course number two. The rights are on
now for a red and yellow ball, you get a
discount for the Putt Putt. And then I would go.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
And not.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
And people freaked out, and then I was chast guysed,
and then the boss left and I kept doing it.
How unnerving, How crazy Friday the Thirteenth series were all
in films. I mean, they've made a lot of those,
some better than others, all pretty good fun right.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Well, you know, And I'll say this because I have
taken the task at times over the years to watch
all the classic slasher franchises. I've watched all the Friday
the Thirteenth movies in a row. I've watched all the
Halloween movies in a row. I've watched all the Nightmare
on ELM Street movie in a row. Those are basically
the big three, and I will say Friday the Thirteenth

(17:28):
is the most consistent. And you're right, some are better
than others. It gets a little bit crazy with zombie
Jason and then he goes to space.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
I mean it's.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
It does go off the rails a bit, but like
trying to get the figure out how the Halloween franchise
connects together is like trying to give a blind person
directions to Atlanta only using the word Peachy's hard. Yeah, yeah,
so it's it's very, very difficult. But we're in Elm

(18:00):
Street movies. They they kind of start really kind of
bouncing all over the place. But yeah, the Friday the thirteenth,
you can sit there and watch them. They're not the greatest,
but they're consistent and they're they're they're also you know,
the other thing I love about it, and this is
this maybe showing my I'm not gonna say misogynistic side,
but my adolescent side. The Friday the thirteenth always delivered

(18:24):
on the gore and the scare and the jiggle factor.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
We'll just say that, Yeah, there was some juggling that
would happen on occasion, and they would This is the thing,
even as a kid, Kevin Carr, I would I would
never understand they they would run from outside inside, then
upstairs where there was no accent, and I never wanted
them running.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
I just wanted them running that's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Okay, a Friday the thirteenth trivia for you. Uhh where
when did he start wearing the hockey mask? The original
Jason the what everyone recognizes is Jason's ask uh huh
when did that show up?

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
That wasn't the first movie.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
No, really, well the first movie, it wasn't even Jason.
It was a spoiler alert. I mean the movie is
this is young forty six years old.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
It is nineteen eighties when the first one came out,
and that was Jason Vorhees.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Correct, it was well, it was missus Vorhees, oh brother.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, the mom.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Yeah, that was just that. That makes it a good
Mother's Day movie, you know, because she's just trying to
protect her child.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
But well, I mean, you know, you got to respect
a mom who's trying to take care of.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yeah, Jason makes a little cameo right at the very end.
But then the second movie he just had a like
a sack over his head, like a burlap sack over
his head. And it wasn't until the third movie that
a character had a hockey mask and or the goalie mask,
and he put that on, and then that became the Icon,
but yeah, I took a third three movies to get
to it.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
That's weird and I didn't realize that. So what I'm
curious about. And for those in the Halloween Realm, of course,
that mask started immediately, right, I mean that was when
he was.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Well, no, he had the little clown mask as a
little kid, and then he went he broke into the
hardware store and stole a mask, which was all it
was was William Shatner mask. The eyes opened up a
little bit and then had white because it was a
it was a cheap movie, but it holds up.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
It does.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Well. What's funny. The mask has various elements. Like the
first movie, it's a good mask, and then it gets
by the time they're doing like Halloween Resurrection with oh
who was it? Which was the rapper that did that movie?
Was that outcast or it was?

Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah that that That mask is terrible.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
It's it looks really really bad. But then they kind
of made it really kind of dark and creepy in
the reboots and the I think in a second rob
Zombie movie, he just kind of gets rid of the
mask at a certain point. He's just this bearded guy
he looks like a like a almost man. But but no,
Jason had the mask, and once he got the mask,
he was it was the mask was him and I

(21:09):
mean iconic. I mean it is the it is the
epitome of an iconic slasher character.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's true.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
It is.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Are there are a lot of those. I'm trying to
think there have been a lot of different types of
slasher movies, but as franchises go, I mean there are
twelve of those so far. I think is that right?
Maybe more than that? Or is it just twelve? Friday
the thirteenth it had at thirteen. It seems inappropriate.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
When he went to Space that was ten. I think
that was because it was Jason X. And then they
did the Freddy versus Jason and then they did the
Friday the Thirteenth reboot and I think that was it.
Then like the rights to it got all caught up
in a quagmire. But you see, here's the problem with
what they're doing with slasher movies now, is they they

(21:55):
make a Friday the Thirteenth movie and they wanted to
make one hundred million dollars, and you're like, those movies
never made a hundred million dollars. They would make the
movie for like a million bucks and they put it
in theaters and it would make twenty which isn't great,
but it's a huge return on their investment. That's basically
the business plan that Bumhouse shoses for their movies. They

(22:18):
make them on the cheap, and then if they make
thirty five forty million dollars worldwide, they're a huge hit.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, that's huge money. I mean, I don't know why
anybody would be unhappy with that.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well, it depends on how much you spent on the movie.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I mean, but that plan, I mean, what you just
described makes the most sense. You know, you put a
little in, you get a little more out, then you
do it again.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
And I mean it's like, because here's the thing, because
when they did the Friday the Thirteenth reboot, they brought
in some names they I mean not huge names, but
they had uh it's the guy he was on Supernatural,
he was in that.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
And then they had like like other characters and actors
that were kind of big in the well it would
have been the mo Llennials, I guess at the time.
But the whole thing is that you don't need any
stars you have the hockey mask. You don't need big
names with You don't need to spend thirty million dollars
just to get your actors to show up.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, you know, you just need to guy to wear
a mask.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah, and get like unknowns are going to work for scale.
I mean that's honestly, Paramount needs to hand me the
keys of that franchise.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, let's do it. I'm going to tag along. I will,
I will clean masks, I will do whatever's necessary. I mean,
we have to do it in the winter, so I can.
I can leave her go there where it's warm and
then come back in time for baseball.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Well, but that's that's the thing, even though it's Friday
the thirteenth now, because you cannot control when Friday the
thirteenth happened in February. It's true, but and it's hard.
The Friday the thirteenth movies are summer franchise because it's
summer camp. They go to summer camp. Halloween obviously is
a fall franchise. And you know, like leather Face is
just driving through rural Texas in the heat.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Sometimes you gotta you know, dismember some people, I guess,
and on film, I mean in entertainment. Yeah, no, no,
no accents like we're gonna get in all kinds of trouble.
I don't need more meetings. I don't need more emails.
I don't need more trouble. Kevin Carr, by the way,
sober gaggle on the substack was struggling on it. If
I can shift it, I'm gonna shift it. Absolutely, Yes,

(24:23):
all day, every day. But I mean I own mind,
that's for sure.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
So we cover the Halloween and we covered obviously the paramount,
which is a bad mixing of names of the Friday
the thirteen because it's a date specific.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Now I want it like Newline had it first. I
don't know who owns the rights right now. It's it's
been a mess.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well that's all right. I mean we're not paying extra.
We're just talking about it. So it's okay. We probably
helped them. You did something else, which is uh, I
think is tremendous. Now, did you and missus Carr get
to do this together? Sometimes maybe you do a screening together.
This may be one of those you saw with Wuthering Heights,
which I think they've done. Speak of a franchise. How
many times have they done that.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Oh, I don't know, it's been four or five at least.
I mean there have been big ones and then they
do like TV movies as well. Now, look, I'm gonna
just be honest. I've never read Wuthering Heights.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I'm not going to hold against you.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, I'm not going to just just I'm in my
fifties at this point. The time has passed. It is
not on my bucket list.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Is that an assignment that we blew off and didn't
do or is it just that we missed it as
a recreational endeavor or what?

Speaker 4 (25:31):
It just didn't happen to be on the list that
I was supposed to read. But I mean I had
I didn't read the Scarlet Letter either, though I took
a test on it.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
But did you watch the movie?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
No?

Speaker 4 (25:40):
I I got the cliff notes. You know how this works.
Come on, So, but no, I've never read any of
the Bronte stuff or or Bronte. I guess it is
Bronti and but but Emily Bronte wrote whether in Heights.
Never read it. I kind of looked at the I
wanted to see how different the Wikipedia entry was to
the movie. That's the absolute depth of my research for this.

(26:05):
But I went to go see the movie. I did
not go see it with my wife. She probably would
not have been wanted to be in the theater with me,
because there's a lot of me rolling my eyes and
checking my phone to see how much longer there.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Was in the movie.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Never a good sign.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
It's not my cup of tea. It does deviate from
what I understand. It does deviate quite a bit from
the original story. But it's a story of this well.
And here's the thing with any of these sort of
I gets the brunty stuff and the like the Jane
Austin stuff. It's like always about a family that's wealthy

(26:42):
enough to own land and have servants, but they're not rich,
if that makes sense. You know, there's always the envy
and the want of being more affluent and trying to
marry into that. So even though they're landowners and they
have servants, they're like, oh, we're not rich. And I'm like,
you kind of are rich in the peerage you're in,

(27:04):
but you just don't feel like you're rich. And it's
a story of this woman who grew up and in
this Her family was a landowner, but the dad was
a drunk played by Doc Martin and her tumultuous love
affair and relationship with one of the wards that they
take on named Heathcliff, not the cat, but yeah, that

(27:29):
would be really cool to have if they would just
if they would see gi out Jacob Alordi in this
and then put the giant cat in there, that would
have been really funny. And it's their tumultuous relationship, but
it's it's real toxic in this one, and they dial
that up because it's not necessarily that way in the book.
My biggest thing is they had to give this role

(27:51):
to two of the most attractive people on the planet
right now, Margot Robbie and Jacob Alordi, because if this
were a if they grew up looking like Quentin Tarantino,
it would be a very different movie. It would be
a horror film. It would be rivaling any of the
franchises we had already talked about, because these people are horrible,

(28:12):
horrible people, full of envy and wrath and cruelty. It's
just they're awful, awful, horrible people. And I wanted a
meteorite to hit the moors.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
In this one.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
That would be a different movie. Altogether, which we've seen,
and I think I liked that one and I liked
what you just described too. Okay, so this sounds obviously
like one that clearly Russ Jackson will also want to
avoiding the show and I have, but you at least
laid it out there. Perhaps someone may go, you know,
that sounds like the perfect movie for Valentine's.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah, it's very divisive, and I mean, there are people
who are gonna love it. They will because but it
is that they're both just just totally wrecked and damaged
people who cannot get over themselves. And that's dialed up
beyond what was in the original book. And I just
hated every minute of them on screen. And the only

(29:08):
thing that made it worth watchable is it has beautiful
cinematography and composition and all that kind of stuff. And yes,
Margot Robbie's attracted to look at I am happy to
watch her on screen. And she's a good actor. That's
the thing. It's it was. It's not a good film,
but it's like, do you remember she was in that
one movie it was either Last Summer or Fall, The Big, Bold,

(29:29):
Beautiful Journey with Colin Farrell. Yeah, and her character was
just just a piece of crap net too, And I'm
just like, just get herself. I mean, honestly, when you
know she played famously Harley Quinn in multiple movies, When
Harley Quinn is the most centered and balanced character you've
played in the last two years, you might want to

(29:51):
take some different choices.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Different medication for something. And once upon a time in Hollywood,
she was great that too. We watched that together, we
went to.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
The Yeah, I'm a huge Margot Robbie fan. And the
reason I'm a huge Margaret Robbie fan is cause here's
the thing with her. She is so attractive. I mean,
just like if you were to say, like, just do
all the cemetery and draw the most contractive woman on
the planet, you would a lot of people would draw
Margot Robbie and not even realize it. But she's so

(30:24):
attractive that that actually, I think is a hindrance to
her because she's not approachable because she's so good looking.
You can't think of her as the girl next door.
But she's such a good actor that she transcends that.
And I think that that that says a lot about
her as a performer, because if you look at a
lot of other people, like, you know, like Julia Roberts.

(30:44):
Take take Julie Roberts as an example, pretty woman, all
this stuff. There's there's things about her when you look
at her face, it's not it's not what you would
say always classically attractive. There's there's always like something quirky
or or different about it. And you get that with
like Reese Withers, Re's Witherspoon, you know, even somebody like
Jennifer Lawrence, who's a beautiful woman. She is, but she

(31:07):
does kind of have that girl next door quality. Marco
Robbie does.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Not really like creepy there. I was like, yes she is.
I was creeping myself out for a minute. I'm like, yeah,
she dude, her family could be listening. They're just down
the road, I know, I know, just down a lot
of it. So yeah, how dare you they know she's
good looking?

Speaker 8 (31:26):
I mean they do.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
She's crazy talented and she's putting babies out now in
movies and she's just getting it done.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
So I mean, you know they're not on the open market, man, No, No, but.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I mean she's she's having a family and a life
and living it and making great work and this is
gotten creepy and we only have a minute now. I
want to talk about this AI video with Tom curls
a brown pit and it's gone viral and people are
very upset, including those in the Motion Picture Association, because
this is the concern that they have. In a minute
or so, can you make sense of.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
This or no?

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Okay? The bottom line is as much as fun as
AI is to generate images, it at its heart lives
and it's built on plagiarism because it takes other work
that artists have done without paying them and redistributes it
in a new image, and that's not good. But the

(32:16):
problem is you will always need a human element to
make it just not look like a computer did it,
no matter what you do. Yes, this is cool, and
yeah you can see Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise's face,
but there's no story, there's no plot, there's no anything there.
And you could generate a yeah, oh sure you're gonna
get AI to do like the Hallmark Christmas movies because

(32:37):
those are all formulaic, but you're not gonna get it
to do the real, good human stuff. And there is
a certain human performance level there. It's it's just I've
always felt this stuff is kitchy. There's a place for AI,
and it's to do the crap work that nobody wants
to do. Like use it to clean out the code
in computer language. There's all this garbage code in computer language.

(33:01):
Or use it. Use AI to find the AI stuff
on Facebook and social media and on the internet, and
then carve that out so you don't see it. But
don't use it to try to replace human artists because
you get this. But because they're now using big name actors,
Hollywood is upset and they're like, no, no, no, that's
our brand and you can't infringe upon it.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Right, So if it was us, nobody cared. We complain
and people go, so well, have to get over yourself.
So you can find out what Kevin does. You can
get him in your mailbox electronically virtually. The silver gecko
on substack is where you can find Kevin. Thank you
for making time and doing what you do.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for doing what
you do. You're you're a prince of a man.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
You're searching so far.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Try to come up with something I know.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Have another for me and enjoy the night. I'll talk
to you later. It's Kevin Carr right, I'll see you later.
Straight away your ten o'clock report. Brady knows what's up.
He will disseminate mass quantities of information. And how about
your scurity system at home? In your door barrow camera
maybe spying on you, your neighbors? Can law enforcement get it?
Can somebody else get it? Even if you said no,

(34:08):
you don't want to share or even have that data
backed up? Dave Hatter joins me. Next, we'll talk cybersecurity
on the Home of the Reds with Sterling seven hundred WLW,
Cincinnati tuck of time from nineteen eighty four to twenty
twenty six. Do you feel these Orwellian times where big
brothers up in your business, in my business, under the

(34:28):
guise of well, it's for your own safety and security.
How you doing It's? Sterling hanging out, cybersecurity expert mayor
at large from Northern Kentucky getting it done. Dave Hatter,
who is going to be up early? Of course Gary
Jeff too, as it usually is. Tenfoil Hatter, otherwise I'm
wearing one too right now, Dave Hatter, I appreciate you
being here on a Friday. Sterling on seven hundred WLW.

(34:51):
I had to text you today. I thought about it
earlier in the week and I it was ben sort
of bewildered. In the last couple of days there have
been a couple of stories that have gotten attention. The
horrible case of the stolen Nancy Guthrie or kidnapped we
don't know and hopefully still alive and well in bits
and information and identifiable features and videos have been captured

(35:15):
with the help of law enforcement. But was interesting from
doorbell cameras to other security system cameras around her house
and in the neighborhood. Is it apparently even if you
don't pay for the service, even if you're not saving data,
that apparently that can be given to law enforcement with
a request. And I guess the question here that I

(35:36):
have also is what does that mean for your privacy
or my prophecy for cameras that are in our homes
and are around our backyards as well as not just
those facing public areas.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Well.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Sterling, first off, thanks for having me on as always,
and you really hit the nail right on the head.
And I would suggest folks, that was a great leading
By the way, go listen to the Kansas Songs of
the Tempest from Pointing No Return. It's a prophetic song
from the late seventies and I'll just leave it that.

(36:09):
Go look it up listeners. But this is this whole
thing is so interesting. I mean, it's a traffic situation
with Nancy Guthrie and this this whole Nest camera thing.
So you know, there's been a lot of speculation, and
green cameras have gotten the black eye recently from the
Super Bowl ads. But so NaSTA is Google's brand, Ring

(36:29):
is Amazon's brand. These things are more or less similar.
And you know, we will enough to know. I'm not
a big fan of the Internet of Things aka smart
devices for any variety of reasons. But when you look
at this situation that has occurred here. So when the
news broke that somehow the FBI was able to get
video off this Nest doorbell camera, and then it said

(36:52):
they said, well, but she doesn't have a subscription, so
how did they get the data? Several people asked me
the question. I said, well, I don't know, if I
had to guess. You know, most devices that can connect
to the internet, AK and slash the cloud have some
kind of local storage, right They're going to store your
data on an sdtard or some kind of local storage

(37:12):
hard disk or whatever for some period of time, because
you lose your Internet connection at times, right, so if
it's all just pure screaming, you would lose that video.
So there's some local storage. Typically maybe they got it
off the local storage, but apparently what has come out
since then is that's not the case. They didn't get
it off the local storage. So I'm reading from one

(37:34):
of the many stories out there on this subject starting
and I encourage your listeners to go check this out themselves.
FBI Director Cash Petel said yesterday that investigators recovered footage
from Savannah Guph's mother's doorbell camera using quote residual data
located and back end systems. So what does that mean, Well,

(37:55):
apparently these Nest cameras are sending data back into the
Google Cloud, even if you don't have a quote subscription
to use their cloud service. And it really gets down
to at the end of the day, and this is
something I've tried to explain to people for decades. If
you delete something surly, if you go into your computer

(38:17):
and you delete something, it is not actually removed. You're
telling the computer to make the space that whatever that
data was video, audio, or document, whatever, make that space
available so something else could overwrite it. And if nothing
else over writes it, guess what, That data is still
there and easily retrievable by like a third grader. You

(38:39):
don't have to have that now once that data gets overwritten,
And there are software tools out there in ways to
actually purge data in a more permanent way, including up
to destroying the device. But just deleting something does not
remove the data. And apparently in this case, there's two
things that work here. These Nest cameras from Google are

(39:04):
sending data often at the Google Cloud, even if you
don't have a quote cloud based subscription. That's how they
recover this. And even if something is deleted, it's touched
many systems along the way. There's no guarantee that it's
ever been deleted. And this is one of the reasons
why I thoroughly despise the Internet of Things aka smart devices.

(39:27):
We are literally in this Orwellian world now, and I
get in this case, Sterling, this is helpful to this
investigation in this tragic case. But does the average person
realize that the device that they're using, their smart coffee maker,
their doorbell, their thermostat, they're refrigerator or whatever is potentially
sending data often at the cloud, and that data is

(39:47):
particularly permanent. I don't think they do.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
It's quite troubling. Da've hat or cybersecurity expert with Sterling
on seven hundred WLWS. So you mentioned the multitude of
devices that we have that are intelligent and smart now,
that are interactive, that make our lives easier many times,
But if they're constantly scraping with data, constantly recording. And
we've joked about this, and I've done it off the

(40:10):
year with other friends as well. Had conversations drinking beers
and all of a sudden you're on your phone, you're
getting ready to leave it and pop up, well there's
ads about stuff we've talked about, and they're like, no,
that's in your head. So there is validity, clearly, it
seems to the fact that it is our devices are
listening and monitoring. It's not just from text, it's not
just from email correct when it comes to placing ads

(40:33):
and maybe even something more. How deep does this go
do you think?

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Dave had he, I think it goes very deep storing.
So first off, I just want to remind people if
you have a device that can interact with you when
you talk to it, well, it must be listening to you, right,
it must be listening to you. Now, theoretically it's waiting
for you to say the wake word, the hot word,
or whatever. Hey, hey, Google, Hey, let's so whatever that

(41:01):
might be. We've probably just set a bunch of those off,
by the way, And I will also say before I continue,
I have none of these things. But it has to
be listening to you in order for it to activate
when you wanted to do something. So then the question
becomes and there are studies out there, well documented studies,
where they've taken a bunch of these so called digital

(41:22):
assistants and put them in a room and just turned
on a TV to see how often they activate when
someone has not said the official word. I think if
you look into that you might find that that is
quite disturbing. And Google recently settled the case, and Apple
recently settled the case around people claiming that their devices

(41:42):
were listening to them and recording things and doing things
when they should not have because the weight word was
not activated, so are not issued. So again this is
all well documented. Google just settled like a sixty eight
million dollar case in Apple, like a ninety five million
dollar case on this subject, I would argue, Now, I'm
not an attorney starting, but I would argue, well, did

(42:03):
they settle because you know, sixty eight million dollars is
about one minute worth a revenue for Google, or and
it's not worth our effort? Or did they settle because
they don't really want discovery? Where under legal scrutiny it
might come out that these things are real. But again,
they have to be listening to you. So then the
question is, well, what are they recording? Where does that

(42:25):
day to go? Are they only activating under you know,
explicit situations? And I can just tell you this in
all cases, the Internet of Things is designed not for
you as a consumer. It's designed for the people that
make it right. It's speed to market, it's market share,
fees of use. If you go get some device, smart

(42:46):
TV or whatever, anything that you could talk to and
is going to act on your behalf and it's really
hard for.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
You to use, will you keep using it?

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Well no, the answer is no, of course not. So
they focus on all of the things that are in
their interest, all of the things that are designed to
capture your data, monetize your data. The Internet of Things
is not your friend. And that's I have as few
of these devices as I can get. But the problem,
Stirling is it's hard to find anything. It's not quote

(43:14):
smart unquote anymore. Like why do I need my toaster
to tell me when my toast is ready? Why do
I need my coffee maker to send me a text?
I don't I don't want any of this stuff. And
this story, again, while in this limited situation and the
traged situation we're dealing here with Nancy du three, it's
helpful to her these things are essentially or well in

(43:38):
spy devices. They're a security privacy dumpster fire, and the
less of them you have, the better. And this story just.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Proves it who owns the data? And I this bleeds
to something else. And it's a controversial story now, and
I don't want it to be controversial in the traditional way,
but it's controversial for another for instance, border patrol ice
in the Twin Cities. They've used it elsewhere, but we've
found out that they will use data that they acquire

(44:08):
by purchase from either apps on phones or device whoever
manufacture the devices, if they're in an area, so they're
not legally able to spy on people in a specific
area their transmission their data, phones, devices, et cetera. But
if they pay for the app to share the information

(44:30):
with them, they circumvent the law and an invasion of
privacy and then are able to track down people who
may or may not be going about their normal day
of life or may have been sort of observing or interfering,
which we nobody wants when it comes to law enforcement
doing their work. But that gets into a very deep,
ugly scary thing when you're talking about there is a

(44:51):
law that doesn't allow the government to directly spy on people,
but then they just pay a third party to do
it anyway, And you wonder who actually the third party is.
Maybe that's the CIA or another dark government kind of entity.
How deep does that go and how regularly is that
being used, because that is a whole other layer to this.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Well, you're exactly right, And even if you take out
ICE or any of the sort of more controversial things
we've seen recently, this has been ongoing concern for some time.
The apps on your phone, the phone itself, all of
your other so called smart devices, all the websites you
visit are capturing an enormous amount of data about you

(45:33):
because it can be monetized to sell you ads and
be sold to other companies and so forth. I don't
know if I have time to get into it tonight,
but assume we should talk about surveillance capitalism, the idea
that because there's so much data collected about you, you're
getting different prices than perhaps I am. But to answer
your question specifically, yes, you're exactly right.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
You have under the Fourth Amendment the right to be
free of unnecessary circumcisure and that sort of thing.

Speaker 6 (46:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
But what you don't have is the right to say,
I'm going to install an app on my phone and
the app is going to collect an enormous amount of
data saretaciously about me in the background. I don't understand
the privacy policy. It's a confusopoly. I just say yes.
And now this thing is basically collecting an enormous amount
of data about me, It's going to a third party,

(46:26):
which is perhaps being sold to fourth parties, and then yes,
the government or frankly anyone can buy that data. And
to your point, exactly, this is all well documented government
law enforcement agencies will buy that data and then use
it for a variety of purposes. You don't have to
take my word for this, Sterling. This is all well

(46:48):
documented and it's a simple way for the government to
circumvent your Fourth Amendment rights because you've given up any
premise of privacy and the Fourth Ammitted by voluntarily making
your data to these third parties, who then do who
knows what with it? Are they all? Well?

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Um, sorry to interrupt time. This short and this is
so deep. Dave had it, by the way, cybersecurity, I
sure was stirling on the big one. How can people
find out more about what you do on a regular
basis because you do a lot for businesses, individuals and
stuff too, and not just mayor Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I appreciate you act and I do have a real
job as a cybersecurity consultant interest and you know I privacy, security,
These are all increasingly important things that are increasingly digital society.
You could find me on x you can find me
on LinkedIn. I mean, I'm out there. I share information
about this all the time, and I appreciate you giving
me the opportunity to talk about it because I think

(47:42):
the average person looks at the convenience factor and the
coolest factor of these devices and says, hey, this is cool.
I like this. It does this thing for me, it
saves me time. But they don't really understand the potential
negative downside of this with all of this data collection
in all the ways it can be used against them.

(48:03):
So I'm not a fan of the Internet of things
aka smart devices. I have as few as possible. What
I do have is not connected to the Internet. And
that's my advice to most people until we get to
a place where your privacy and your security are foremost
in the minds of people making me things, and trust me,
that is the furthest possible thing from the truth. At

(48:24):
this point, the less of this stuff you have the
betterest Yeah x at LinkedIn, I'm out there. I talk
about this stuff all the time. I'm trying to help
people understand it and Sterning, I appreciate you giving me
a chance to raise awareness because this mess can of
thing in the gou three case, If people really start
to dig into this and really see what's happened here,
I think they will find it very disturbing and hopefully

(48:46):
they'll start to divest themselves of these Internet of things devices.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
It's an amazing thing. And the story that was so
high profile with the dentist and the wife of his
that was murdered by her ex, and they were able
to capture video thankfully, to track him down, to identify
him as he came in and out of that area,
and that was also from other people's cameras and so on.
Some they gave up, as I understand, maybe some that
you know, was somehow gone after in short order. The

(49:14):
thing that's interesting to me, and I'm already late, I'm sorry,
but the idea that any third party can buy the data,
are they able to be target specific?

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Do you know?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Just the final question here to say, Okay, I want
to I want to know about Dave Hatter, I want
to know about Sterling, I want to know about you know,
Rocky Boyman or are Willie or whomever in that situation
and then pull data and scrape it that way, and
that could be from anyone, any actor, foreign or otherwise correct.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
The answer is yes, great, And as we add more
and more of this stuff into our lives and more
data is collected, the ability to get increasingly granular profile
data about you just keeps going out. Yeah, it's it's
not necessarily in this areas, but it can be used
in ways that are ultimately not good for you. And
again stirring all this table. The less of this stuff

(50:03):
you have, the better, And I'm hoping that this story
will get more people to realize this stuff is not
helping you.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Well, let's leave it there now that I'm even more disturbed.
On a Friday the thirteenth, they've had or cybersecurity expert
with Sterling on the big one. Thank you for making time.
Enjoyed the rest of your weekend, and I'm going to
try to put my head down and calm down just
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Back back to the bunk to Sterling.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
So yeah, there you go, the news straight away, your
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mixing metaphors and sports. Don't get mad. The Utes of
Utah head into Cincinnati Fifth Third Arena take on the
basketball bear Cats. Yeah. So there's a lot going on,
and in a week's time, Reds Baseball back on the
Big One. Everyone looking to get to work in the desert,

(51:31):
get ready in goodyear and getting at and including mister
Goodvibes himself a Henio Suarez. So looking forward to that
sooner than later. A lot of ground to cover between
now and midnight. Let's open up the phones five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,
eight hundred the Big One. Give you a chance to
sound off. Earlier, talked to a doctor, David Loewensteam He
is a psychologist, a therapist, about phobias, the X function,

(51:54):
and being Friday the thirteenth. A lot of people a
little wigged out by the whole thing. And I'm not
quite exactly sure how Friday the thirteenth became a bad
thing overall the history of that, but my entire career
as a human I have heard about it, and people
have talked about it and said that we should be

(52:16):
scared of it and so on, And certainly a movie
franchise with the Friday the thirteenth kind of scenario which
put a different type of a different type of fear.
See in the back of my head that just doing
a bad, ugly situation like the transpires and I'm nearby,
I start hearing that automatically in there. I'm wondering, what

(52:38):
are you afraid of? Rational or maybe irrational fear. I
have no fear of Friday the thirteenth, other than maybe
a crappy movie generally. But sometimes bad things happen, and
it's nice to sort of point the finger of blame
at the world around us and how things just somehow,
spiritually or supernaturally you're in control, and it's not me

(53:00):
or Russ Jackson controlling the scary sounds that are going
through our heads right now. Even on the iHeartRadio app
in the middle of August, just somebody's taping a break
on what are you talking about? I don't know it's true, though,
I will share this with you. Yesterday I was driving
Mom around and took her to a doctor's appointment. And

(53:22):
I'm in the lobby waiting, as a good sons will
do on occasion, and I'm sharing the waiting room with
some other people, and there are a couple of women
behind the counter working the desk in this place, and
I hear them talking about stuff that creeps them out
and freaks them out. And the woman and I was

(53:44):
gonna I thought about asking if I could record her
and ask her again, but it seemed a little odd.
But she and her co worker were talking about like
she offered her yogurt. Is how it started. I wasn't
trying to listen. I was in my phone, minded my
own business, watching some type of health screening video on
the monitor in front of me, and just looking at news,

(54:06):
trying to figure out what I was going to do
on the show, and trying to effectively kill time. But
she offered her a yogurt, which I heard, and she goes, oh,
hell no, I can't eat that yogurt. The consistency is
all wrong. It just creeps me out. I'm scared of that.
I won't eat apple sauce either. And then she went
on down a list of other stuff, and I'm trying

(54:28):
not to seem like I'm eavesdropping and getting engaged in
this conversation that had nothing to do with me. But
the dude to my right he laughed out loud, and
there was another woman around the corner I hadn't seen,
and she about fell out of her chair then, and
she was like on the phone and she's talking to
someone else about it. So then it got me thinking
of other stuff that you may have irrational or unusual

(54:51):
fear of. I have a friend of mine who I
used to work with, and I remember bringing food in
or having it brought in to work in the office area,
and this dude has a problem with aluminum foil, which
initially I was like, what you have like a filling.

(55:11):
You've had a piece of foil, like when you've bitten
a sandwich, you know, and gotten some of the foil
rap rather than just the hamburger that you want or
something along those lines, and that hits that filling, and
then of course that's one of the worst pains you
can possibly feel, He goes, No, the texture, the sound,
all of it. It's crinkly, it's uncomfortable. It has scared him,
he said, since he was a child and I was like,

(55:34):
did you have a problem? Did someone wrap you in
aluminum foil? At some point? What happened? How did this happen?
He goes, I don't know, And I would say that's
probably an irrational fear. In that type of circumstance, some
people have, you know, fears of other things. Sometimes it's food. Now,
I'm not afraid of liver, but I'm not a fan
of liver.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Right.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I like locks and bagels, and I like sushi with sam,
but I don't like cooked salmon. Makes no sense. It
creeps me out. But it's not like a phobia. I
don't have a fear of it. But there are people
who have serious fears. Maybe it's a flying which I
understand because on paper it makes no sense. If you're

(56:15):
flying a commercial airliner generally speaking, right cruising out to
it's about five miles up, you're going about five hundred
miles an hour, and you are in a metal tube,
a revenue tube. Is our good friend Jay Ratliffe would
like to say our aviation expert here at the Big One.
So I'm asking, what are you afraid of? Be it
rationally or irrationally on this Friday the thirteenth. Zoo Phobia

(56:40):
is a fear of animals, and that can be all
kinds of anxiety, like written type of circumstances. And it
doesn't even have to be like a zoo animal like
that new cat they picked up at the Cincinnati Zoo.
If you hadn't already heard what it'll be at the
Cheetah Encounters. As I understand it, it's a server ball
cat or something like that. People are afraid of cats

(57:00):
my aunts and she she probably won't admit it now,
but as a kid, I know that she had a
problem with it, and my mom told me that. I
asked her if it was true, and then she just
sort of like shied away from him, like yeah, maybe
she's afraid that, like a regular house cat would steal
her breath in her sleep. I'm not sure where that
came from. And she's grown now. She's one of my

(57:22):
mom's siblings, so she's older than me, and that still
resonates with her. So sometimes it's real, sometimes it's not,
but it will affect us all the same way five
point three seven, four ninety seven, eight hundred, the big one.
I woant to know what to freaks you out, be
it Friday the thirteenth, or flying or cold water compared
to hot water. I have no idea. What's going on, Frank,
how's life felt, Fort Thomas tonight?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Oh? It's going great ahead, And to go a good man.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
What scares?

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Do you have?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Your rational fear or a legitimate phobia or.

Speaker 7 (57:51):
What no rational fear?

Speaker 9 (57:53):
But I got a little history lesson for it.

Speaker 7 (57:55):
Yes, you're unsure why Friday the thirteenth is considered I'm
lucky or scary? Yeah, well it dates back to the
thirteen hundreds, and I remember correctly. The basically the King
of France ordered that all the knights Templar be arrested
and because they're gaining too much power, right, and that

(58:17):
those arrests and then murders occurred on a Friday of thirteenth,
And that.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Was in thirteen oh seven, as I understand it, So
we're talking like seven hundred and twenty years nearly. That's
a long time.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Ago, A long time ago.

Speaker 7 (58:31):
This a little history lesson for you.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Have a great night too, I appreciate it, Frank, thank
you very much. I appreciate it. So yeah, he knows
about the history and the origination of the Friday the thirteenth,
and that certainly put a lot of people on edge
and made them aware at that point that that was
the case. And even some other varieties of those, you know,
transcend continents from Spain to Greece. Thirteen's unlucky Italy. By

(58:54):
the way, it's Friday the seventeenth is speared. I'm not
sure quite how or why that is. Maybe you do.
I won three seven four, nine, seven, eight hundred, the
big one. I want to know, do you have a phobia?
Do you have a fear however irrationally or otherwise? And
sometimes it's just bad luck and it'll happen. What I
have learned in my life is never say what could
happen next after you've had a string of bad luck.

(59:16):
But sometimes that stuff will present itself. Overall, it's interesting
in the things that make us uncomfortable or otherwise. I
went to school with a kid who was afraid of milk.
And I don't mean like he didn't like milk. He
said he liked milk, but had and I couldn't understand
even as a kid, like fourth fifth grade. I don't
know if he got sick with milk with a sour

(59:37):
milk smell or something, and then after that he was
afraid of it and uncomfortable, maybe like puked it up
or something. I don't know, but I will never forget that.
I was like, yeah, you're getting chocolate milk. It's like, no, no,
I can't drag milk. He was new to the school
at the time and and I'm ran intoing years later,
grown like a station function event someplace, and he was like, oh, hey,

(59:57):
do you remember I'm still scared of milk, and he
brought it up, which was amazing. The New Richmond with
Toby on seven hundred WLW was sterling. What scares you
do you have a phobia?

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
I would say some sort of eighth or gorilla that
they really freaked me out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Now have you been at the zoo and seen something
go wrong? Or just the fact that they're big, hairy,
like you know, things that are quite strong with teeth.

Speaker 9 (01:00:24):
Not necessarily at the zoo, but nat Geo.

Speaker 7 (01:00:28):
A long time ago, when.

Speaker 9 (01:00:29):
I was probably like twelve or thirteen, you know, late
at night at my grandparents' house. It's already creepy because
my grandparents' house.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I'm old.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
But there was an old lady one time wandering around.

Speaker 9 (01:00:43):
Her field that got her face dripped off by a
chimp got out from a zoo, like that was the
real thing, and I washed on that geo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I'm sorry, No, you don't have to problemgize. No, that's okay.
You know what's funny about what's there's nearly nothing about
somebody's face being ripped off at all, actually to But
what's funny is that there was a neighbor of mine
who had a pet, like some type of monkey that
was miserable in a small cage, and my buddies and
I would go over after school sometimes and I wanted
to let this thing go. My mom just don't mess

(01:01:12):
with it. It will rip your face off. And I
was like eight years old, and that stuff sticks with you,
and she mentioned something about it it actually happening.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Too, Oh, it is, it is.

Speaker 9 (01:01:24):
It has petrified me for years.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Now, do you avoid the zoo and don't go to
like the gorilla or the monkey house, or do you
just I mean, you just probably will never take a
trip to wherever you might actually find them in the
wild anymore, which is fewer and fewer places unfortunately for them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Obviously, I absolutely try to avoid them at the zoo.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
I keep my distance.

Speaker 9 (01:01:45):
I haven't been in a while, but it is something
that I will live by unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (01:01:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Well, I'm glad that you haven't had it happen to you,
and maybe that fear will keep you safe for logger.
And let's hope that none of us get our faces
ripped off anytime soon. Toby, I appreciate you listening to
being a part of the show. Call anytime man. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Take it easy, you too, buddy. Thanks, that's tremendous. Cynthia,
your turner was sterling on the big one. Do you
have an irrational or irrational fear of Friday the thirteenth
or some other type of phobia?

Speaker 8 (01:02:18):
I do have a phobia of trees, but let me
explain that. Okay, like I didn't realize I did.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
And that's always that's dendrophobia. I'm sorry to interrupt. So
you you always had it or something happened.

Speaker 8 (01:02:35):
I think it was a situation where I always feared
like a tree with faul I would get trapped by
a fallen tree. And now that it it does happen
to people, so let me tell you, like it's okay.
I would not be able to walk through say a park,

(01:02:55):
Oh no that had a lot of trees on a
path by myself. It would get if it was getting dark. Now,
if it was light outside, it'd be okay. But like
as you're is, it's getting dark when you when you
enter the park and then suddenly starts getting dark and
the tree starts looking kind of I don't know, the
big trees, they just I just feel I start getting panicky.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Now, are you okay? If they're naked, And what I
mean by that is like in the fall and winter
when they're no leaves, does that make you feel safer
or even more scared of them because they kind of
look more scary.

Speaker 8 (01:03:27):
That is more scary, especially as it's getting dark. Like
I go to I ride my bike in the park,
so when the time changes, I have to make sure
to time my bike route so that I'm not caught
when the sun goes down. When the sun starts to
go down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
And you've had this since you were a child or
when did this like manifest?

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I think it was somehow when I started driving
to my teen years, because back in the day when
I lived on the West Side or near Correen, the
Mountainy Forest was a beautiful park. And I realized when
I drove through there my little Honda Civic hatchback I

(01:04:05):
was probably nineteen. All of a sudden it was getting dark,
and I know that parked like the back of my hand.
And but suddenly it came. I had this overwhelmed woman
feeling because it was getting dark and I felt trapped
like all these trees. It's weird, and even I feel
weren't talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
No, No, I'm right there. I mean, I get what
you're saying. I don't have that fear, but I understand it.
And I was trying to think. There's a movie and
I can't remember which one where the trees came to life,
and I remember as a kid, Yeah, it shook me.
I got it. I grew out of it a little bit.
And and I don't want to make this worse, Cynthia,
but there was a story a couple of years ago.
There was a woman in the most unfortunate circumstance. I

(01:04:51):
remember it was a stormy night here in the tri state,
somewhere in the Try state, and you know what, luck
does one have the tree falls and it like hit
her and killed her.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
Yes, I know that's what I fear.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, so I understand it. It's not fully rational, but
then that aberration occurs, that one little thing and then
you're like, we'll see, it validates the fear.

Speaker 8 (01:05:13):
So yeah, but people are with me, like my we're
walking group or something. We were walking. There's no problem
because I feel like there's people with me. But if
I had to walk, if they paid me a million
dollars to walk, you know what, let me tell you
this and I'm gonna take all your time. But this
is a perfect example. When I lived in California, Uh,

(01:05:35):
there was a park if you're familiar with California called
Groups Park where the Hollywood sign is Angelas.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Yah, I know where you're at.

Speaker 8 (01:05:41):
So the Sierra Club would have these midnight walk but
they started at step like you meet at seven point
thirty at the bottom of the park and then you
go in a group and walk through that park and
it's just it's a fear club. People are familiar with that. Yeah,
so you don't have to walk by yourself. But even

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still it's so dark, the pants are so dark that
and then you see people come out of the bushes
like walking. There's random people walking around. But if I
had to walk to that park, I had to go
fire by myself. They couldn't pay me enough to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
No way I got you, No way. I'm against the
wall on time, Cynthia. Thank you for listening. Thank you
for sharing. That's a big confession for something that I mean.
You seem like you were expecting a ridicule. I'm not
going to ridicule you. And uh okay, hopefully you'll call back.
Appreciate you listening. To take care of yourself. But Resa,
some others coming up. We'll get to you on the
other side. Another hour to go on a Friday night

(01:06:40):
Sterling where the Reds play, because it's the Hall of
the Reds, don't you know? Seven hundred WLW since a
nat So what scares you, what frightens you? It doesn't
have to be rational, it can be irrational. Friday the thirteenth.
Lot of people skip work today, probably didn't go to school.
I was always looking for excuse not to do that.

(01:07:01):
I always wanted to go to work. Though people were
afraid of heights Afrey of flying. I've sat next to
some bare knuckle flyers before. It made me nervous because
they were so nervous. It's a Friday sterling, final hour
to gather. Russ Jackson keeping me online and in time,
and of course Travis Lair would news in another twenty
minutes in about four seconds away and giving you a

(01:07:23):
chance to sound off. Also Kevin Carr conversation I had
with him Fat Guys at the movie Silver Gecko on
Substack talk about what he saw this week is a
pick of the week for good or bad, as well
as Friday the thirteen stuff because it makes sense five
point three seven four nine eight hundred The Big One.
I heard a woman in the doctor's office yesterday talk
about the yogurt creeping her out. She doesn't like the

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texture of it. And apple sauce, and I understand the
apple sauce thing. I love apples, and I don't mind.
Like if you make homemade apple sauce, which is basically
just like pulverizing apples and leave it in in chunks,
throwing some cinnamon and maybe a little bit of sugar,
I'm set. But if it's just the the actual stuff
you know, it's a little disconcerting to me. It's sort

(01:08:07):
of the same thing with like, what are the little
like rice pudding but different. It's not quite rice, but
it's got those little beads in there that kind of
bothers me too. Five three seven, eight hundred. The big one.
What scares you? What frightens you? Thunder lightning? Alice just
mentioned from Fort Wright at Sterling Radio on x that's called,

(01:08:28):
by the way, astrophobia, fear of lightning and thunder. I
came close within about twenty yards of a tree that
was hit by lightning, which was enough when I had
hair on my head, longer hair when it wasn't shaved
in all or leaving me and I remember the hair
on the back of my neck and my arms and
everything just like stood up real fast, and then boom,

(01:08:50):
it hit that tree in the in the lightning hitting
it just basically sheared the the what do you call it,
the bark off the tree. It almost looked like like
claw marks until just recently, and I think in one
of the cars I still have this piece of bark.
And that happened outside the Ohio State Fair and just

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lost to one of the people who were holding five
went three, seven, nine, eight hundred, the big one. What
is it that frightens you, what scares you that goes
into it? There's something called dendrophobia. It's an intense and
irrational fear of trees that goes into that. And we
heard that earlier from somebody, and that's true. There is that,

(01:09:32):
I would say. The thing that is a kid stuck
with me was the dark basement and the sounds that
were there. We lived in like an old apartment building.
The washer and dryer in our storage was in the basement,
effectively under the apartment. And when I was tall enough
to reach the top of the washer, Mom was like, well,

(01:09:54):
now you can do laundry. Good for you. So it
was not really good for me, but you know, she
was like, you can be sof sufficient. You're gonna be
a good catch woman in your Life's gonna like it.
You can handle the laundry. But I had to go
down to that damn basement. And I didn't have as
much of a problem with it during the day, but
if it was after dark, and those wood floors and
everything a little bit of creakiness and and you know

(01:10:16):
the smell of the basement and sounds. I was not
real keen on the whole basement scenario, and I think
that's probably pretty common. That goes along with that as well.
There's a lot of different types of fear, and I
would say necessarily loathing, but certainly loathing some things, whether
it's and you know, I mentioned the claustrophobia, and that's

(01:10:39):
fairly common confined spaces, elevators, little rooms, et cetera. And
that can be difficult for a lot of people. You know,
sometimes kids would go hide in a small place, then
they get locked in or their friends lock them in
a closet that that will resonate for a lifetime in
some cases, fear of animals of one type or another zoophobia.

(01:11:00):
Kid loves their dog, but scared of other dogs. And
I think it is a service animal they've got, like
a harness. I don't know how they certified it as
the most cool, chilled dog I've ever been around. My
dog is not that dog. But they are friends, fence friends.
It's very interesting. But the one of the kids has
the zoo phobia there that goes along with that. There's megalophobia,

(01:11:25):
which is a fear of large objects, big things that
scare people and make them uncomfortable. And I'm not quite
sure how deeply that goes and how that might manifest
itself overall. But I mean that could be buildings, right,
that could be objects. I mean, that could be a
mountain range. And I could understand maybe the fear of
a mountain range, especially in the old days, if you're

(01:11:48):
on horse and buggy kind of scenario, or you got
the wagon and you see that mountain range and you're like,
the weather comes from there, or what's on the other
side of the mountains or something along those lines, that
could be difficult. Maybe tall buildings. Maybe in some cases
that goes into the heights thing, which is the agoraphobia,
which is different, you know, something a lot of people have,

(01:12:12):
which is pretty wild. I had a buddy of mine
who was horribly afraid of heights, and he and his
wife did one of the most outrageous things I can
ever imagine. I was very surprised by this, and then
he went to the other end of the spectrum on it.
He had been afraid of heights since he had been

(01:12:33):
a little kid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
And she.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Was all about like dare devil activities. You know, she's
bungee jumping, she's whatever. So she eventually gets him to
bungee jump. She eventually gets my buddy then to jump
out of a perfectly good airplane and skydiving, and then
he was completely over it. And that's all he wanted.
I mean, it was constantly chasing that adrenaline and getting

(01:12:57):
into that, which was a complete about face to where
he was. Uh, you know in the beginning of stuff
with that, which is pretty amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
There are people that are afraid of telephones, old fashioned phones,
or even the cell phone or arguably, you know, technology
that sort of goes along with that, which is a
pretty amazing thing. A lot of you know, pseudo celebrities
or real celebrities have different fears phobias, legitimately or otherwise.

(01:13:29):
And here's just some of the list of those. Because
I find this interesting too, because a lot of times
we think, oh, you know, famous people, they're they're different,
they don't have to worry about this kind of scenario too.
Jennifer Aniston, one of the friends, of course, she is
very open about talking about. I've seen her in a
number of interviews and so forth, does not like to fly,

(01:13:51):
big big fear of flying. I don't know if that
means she drives a lot or just gets somehow some
type of help in way she has to travel. But
that's difficult. Col rophobia guy from this region anyway at
one time or another, Johnny Depp, that's a fear of clowns.
The call rophobia. I don't know why. There must be

(01:14:13):
something to the base of the name there called rophobia.
I understand the fear of clowns. I've not had any
real bad run ins with clowns, although there were a
few weekends in a row coming here to do this
Saturday afternoon show. Getting off of seventy one at Montgomery Road.
You go right, you can go to Kenwood Town Center,

(01:14:34):
you can go left to where we are, and you know,
head parts east from here. And there were three, I
want to say, three or four saturdays in a row,
maybe a Sunday mixed in there before Red's Baseball that
it became unnerving to me. There was a guy, and
I'm assuming he had like a beatlebug car and also

(01:14:58):
like a and I saw him two different vehicles in
this window of time. He had like a so I'll
never forget it, like a silver station wagon type thing
or a small like crossover suv thing, and then he
was in the beatlebug that had logo on it. Then
he was a clown. And I don't know if he
just had regular work off this exit or if it

(01:15:21):
was regular work that he was coming from as a
clown and coming home. I don't know what his deal was.
I be interested to see, but I'm telling you it
was like three or four weekends in a row. I'm
getting off the exit about the same time, and there
he was. And then it became a thought of is
this clown following me? So I understand the colorophobia, but

(01:15:44):
that's about it. Other than like going to the circus
and having him get up in my grill as a tiny,
you know, young sterling. It's very difficult to deal with.
Madonna apparently has astrophobia, which is the thought understorm thing.
Even though she's okay on stage, that breaks her down.
Christina Richie, she's been around for a while now. I

(01:16:08):
think she just had a birthday today or yesterday. I
want to think she's like forty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
She has a fear of being alone in a swimming pool.
And her fear, she says, is that she has a
fear that there's a trap door that could open up
beneath her, not if anyone's else around, but just I
guess maybe they pull the drain plug and she would
be sucked down as the best way I could possibly

(01:16:33):
understand that as I try to wrap my small brain
around that. But that's Christina Ritchie's fear. Michael Jordan, of course,
the greatest ballplayer of all time, arguably when it comes
to hoops. Some would argue Kobe Bryant. Depends on where
we are. I know, Gary Jeff will get you up
tomorrow morning, We'll say Michael Jordan. He has a fear
of the ocean and apparently saw some fairly tragic stuff

(01:16:58):
in the sea as a small kid. And yeah, I
can understand that. Sticking with you, and he's apparently not
grown out out of that. Tyra Banks has delphinephobia delphini phobia.
Banks apparently has a fear of dolphins and apparently recurring
nightmares and fear of dolphins.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
I don't know if she went to like Sea World
and had a bad experience, or she saw like a
rerun of that old show that when it was from
the sixties or fifties.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
It was before my time Flipper. I remember seeing reruns
of that. I don't know if she had a problem
with the Flipper or what, but Tyra Banks has a
fear of the dolphin and not the Finn that used
to work here to Covington and lou was Stirling on
seven hundred WLW, what is your fear of phobia?

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
I've been having a lot of nightmares. I've always had
a fear of like dirty floors and getting my feet dirty,
Like I hate carpeting in hotel rooms.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Oh yeah, yeah for reasons. Yes, in hotels for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
Yeah, I'm sprayed aluminole all over the place and it
just appears, you know, and it shows where the splatter was.
But no, I've had a busted hot water heater for
about four or five months now, and so I've been
showering at the Planet Fitness.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Here in Lovely Newport Pavilion.

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
Yes, and you know the shower shoes, but it still
grosses me out to even walk in there. And I
keep the shower shoes on of course.

Speaker 10 (01:18:29):
Yeah you don't want to get your dirty foot no no, no,
uh no, I mean and I see people like you know,
you used to go see Henry Rollins play live a lot,
and he would black flag and solo stuff and he
would always play in a pair of umbrose soccer shorts
and bare feet.

Speaker 6 (01:18:44):
And I asked him once. I was like, aren't you
afraid of getting like ringworm or something? And he said, nah, man,
that's cool whatever. But I just never could understand people
that just walk around, like even at the pool, you know,
with bare feet, like I have to have the flip
fluffs on it. And I'm into foot care. I get petticures,
I admit it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
I'm a straight man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
No, no hold on, lou wait a minute now. And
I'm not judging you for taking care of the pads.
I mean feet are important. I mean without feet, I
mean the rest of our gate or our spine. Everything
is based on how we walk around if you're lucky
enough to have feet to do it. So I understand
how did that start. I'm wondering when it comes to
that with it, because I used to not want to

(01:19:25):
go out without shoes as a kid, and then you
get me now I don't want to put shoes on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Right. I'm the same way.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
I grew up hiding my feet as a kid, and
now I wear flip flops all year long, even when
we had a snowstorm last week, and the shower shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Maybe with stock, but usually I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
And I think it's just because I had such a
fear of the dirtiness that I go to Glitzy Nails
and Crescent Springs and go see Lynn there sometimes twice
a month or forty bucks a pop, and it just
makes me a swages. Let's use it a nice.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Word, like a swage the taught me at Saint Agnes.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
It helps you get you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Through it, that's good. I mean, if it's something it
helps you navigate it, that that's a good way to cope.

Speaker 6 (01:20:09):
But people that are afraid of clowns are weak. That's
just weak, sauce man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
There's nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
I mean, I don't know the guy in Chicago that
put all the kids under his house and then brought
you know what's ed geen or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
I just wanted the gean was one of those. John
Wayne Gacy was the clown guy. Yeah, and that's enough
to creep me out against a long time lou Thank you.
That's good, great call. Got issues with the dirty feet
in the shower. I totally get it. In the Ringworm
and Henry Rollins just had a birthday recently too. I
think he's sixty six, sixty seven. I think he's been playing.

(01:20:41):
He must have been like eight years old when he
was in Black Flag. Now that I think about it,
it just makes me think about wanting to sweep the
floor with like the swifter our friends at P and G.
You see how I tie that together, showing us some
love here in the tri State for Procter and Gamble people,
you have somebody who works for Procter and Gamble, whether
they're in the Swifter division. They may have a swifter division.
I don't don't even know, but I know they make

(01:21:01):
it text us their name, and then we'll maybe show
them some love. Five to one, eight eight one. You know,
somebody working at PNG, working hard at Proctor and Gamble,
show them some love five to one, eight eight one,
and be listening. We just may call their name up
and show them some love and respect as well. Thanks
to some great calls talking about all the phobias and

(01:21:21):
the Friday the thirteenth stuff. On the other side of
your eleven thirty report, Travis Laird has news We'll come back.
Kevin Carr going to talk on Friday thirteenth. We'll tie
it into the movies. And I think he was. I
don't know if if he was forced, or if it
was just thrust upon him, or maybe he just felt
there was a pick a week to see one movie.
It's Wuthering Heights. We'll find out if it's worth our time,

(01:21:43):
his time, if it was a nightmare, and so much
more before I go in. Red Eye Radio rolls after
midnight right here on the Home of the Reds with
Sterling seven hundred WLW Kevin Carr sober getto on the
sub stack, stuck at home, hiding out, afraid of what
might be lurking around every corner, or maybe just having
an adult beverager, so joining us here at the Nation

(01:22:05):
Station with Sterling seven hundred W. Wellub you, Kevin. How
are you, mister silver Gecko on the substack? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Not much. I am having an adult beverage. I have
to admit good, good stuff may happen. You know, you
never know. I'm unleashed.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
That's okay, it's after dark. Everything's fine, Everything's just fine.
Oh no, oh no, it's happening again. When I worked
at the Putt putt Kevin Carr years ago. I would
late at night and I would go, there's a whole
on one on the course. Number two rights are on
now for a red and yellow ball, you get a
discout for the putt putt. And then I would go.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
And not.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
And people freaked out, and then I was chastised, and
then the boss left and I kept doing it. How unnerving?
How crazy Friday the Thirteenth series overall in films. I mean,
they've made a lot of those, some better than others,
and all pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
Fun right well, you know, And I'll say this because
I have taken the task at times over the years
to watch all the classic slasher franchises. I've watched all
the Friday the Thirteenth movies in a row. I've watched
all the Halloween movies in a row. I've watched all
the Nightmare on elm Street movies in a row. Those
are basically the big three. And I will say Friday

(01:23:25):
the thirteenth is the most consistent. And you're right, some
are better than others. It gets a little bit crazy
with zombie Jason and then he goes to space. I
mean it's it does go off the rails. A bit,
but like trying to get the figure out how the
Halloween franchise connects together is like trying to give a

(01:23:48):
blind person directions to Atlanta only using the word peach.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Oh yeah, that's hard.

Speaker 4 (01:23:54):
Yeah, yeah, so it's it's very, very difficult. But the
Denver and Elm Street movies they kind of start really
kind of bouncing all over the place. But yeah, the
Friday the thirteenth, you can sit there and watch them.
They're not the greatest, but they're consistent and they're they're
they're also you know, the other thing I love about it,
and this is this maybe showing my I'm not gonna

(01:24:16):
say misogynistic side, but my adolescent side. The Friday the
thirteenth always delivered on the gore and the scare and
the jiggle factor.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
We'll just say that, Yeah, there was some jiggling that
would happen on occasion, and they would This is the thing,
even as a kid, Kevin Carr, I would I would
never understand they they would run from outside inside, then
upstairs where there was no accent.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
And I never wanted him running. I just wanted them running,
That's all I'm saying. Yeah, it's true, Okay, a Friday
the thirteenth trivia for you. Uh, where when did he
start wearing the hockey mask? The original Jason the what
everyone recognizes is Jason's mask. Huh when did that show up?

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Oh that wasn't the first movie.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
No, really, well the first movie, it wasn't even Jason.
It was a spoiler alert. I mean the movie is
this is young forty six years old.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
It is nineteen eighties when the first one came out,
and that was Jason Vorhees.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Correct, it was, well, it was missus Vorhees, oh brother.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Yeah, the mom, Yeah, that was just that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:23):
That makes it a good Mother's Day movie, you know,
because she's just trying to protect her child.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
But well, I mean, you know, you got to respect
a mom who's trying to take.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Care of her. Yeah, Jason makes a little cameo right
at the very end. But then the second movie he
just had a like a sack over his head, like
a burlap sack over his head. And it wasn't until
the third movie that a character had a hockey mask
and or the goalie mask, and he put that on
and then that became the icon. But yeah, I took
a third three movies to get to it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
That's weird and I didn't realize that. So what I'm
curious about. And for those in the Halloween realm, of
course that mask immediately right, I mean that was when
he was.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Well, no, he had the little clown mask as a
little kid, and then he went he broke into the
hardware store and stole a mask, which was all it
was was William Shatner mask, the eyes opened up a
little bit and then painted white because it was a
it was a cheap movie, but it holds up.

Speaker 8 (01:26:20):
It does.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
Well. What's funny. The mask has various elements. Like the
first movie, it's a good mask, and then it gets
by the time they're doing like Halloween Resurrection with oh
who was it which was the rapper that did that movie?
Was that outcast or it was?

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Yeah, yeah that that that mask is terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
It's it looks really really bad. But then they kind
of made it really kind of dark and creepy in
the reboots and the I think in a second Rob
Zombie movie, he just kind of gets rid of the
mask at a certain point. He's just this bearded guy.
He looks like a like a homeless man. But but no,
Jason had the mask, and once he got the mask,
he was it was the mask was him and I

(01:27:07):
mean iconic. I mean it is the it is the
epitome of an iconic slasher character.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
That's true.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Are there are a lot of those. I'm trying to
think there have been a lot of different types of
slasher movies, but as franchises go, I mean there are
twelve of those so far. I think is that right?
Maybe more than that? Or is it just twelve Friday
the thirteenth it was thirteen. It seems inappropriate.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
When he went to Space that was ten. I think
that was because it was Jason X. And then they
did the Freddy Versus Jason and then they did the
Friday the Thirteenth reboot and I think that was it.
Then like the rights to it got all caught up
in a quagmire. But you see, here's the problem with
what they're doing with slasher movies now, is they they

(01:27:54):
make a Friday the Thirteenth movie and they wanted to
make one hundred million dollars, and you're like, those movies
never made it one hundred million dollars. They would make
the movie for like a million bucks, and they put
it in theaters and it would make twenty which isn't great,
but it's a huge return on their investment. That's basically
the business plan that Bumhouse shoses for their movies. They

(01:28:17):
make them on the cheap, and then if they make
thirty five forty million dollars worldwide, they're a huge hit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Yeah, that's huge money. I mean, I don't know why
anybody would be unhappy with that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
Well, it just depends on how much you spent on
the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
I mean no, I mean what you just described makes
the most sense. You know, you put a little in,
you get a little more out, then you do it again.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Yeah, And I mean it's like, because here's the thing,
because when they did the Friday the Thirteenth reboot, they
brought in some names they I mean not huge names,
but they had uh the guy he was on Supernatural,
he was in that. Uh. And then they had like
like other characters and actors that were kind of big
in the well it would have been the millennials, I

(01:28:59):
guess at the time. But the whole thing is that
you don't need any stars. You have the hockey mask.
You don't need big names with you don't need to
spend thirty million dollars just to get your actors to
show up. Yeah, you know, you just need the guy
to wear a mask, yeah, and get like unknowns are
gonna work for Scale. I mean that's honestly, Paramount needs

(01:29:20):
to hand me the keys of that franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Well, let's do it. I'm going to tag along. I will,
I will clean masks, I will do whatever's necessary. I mean,
we have to do it in the winter, so I
can I can leave her go there where it's warm
and then come back in time for baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
Well, but that's that's the thing, even though it's Friday
the thirteenth now, because you cannot control when Friday the
thirteen happens in February. It's true, but and it's hard.
The Friday the thirteenth movies are summer franchise because it's
summer camp. They go to summer camp. Halloween obviously is
a fall franchise. And you know, like leather Face is
just driving through rural Texas in the heat branch.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Times you gotta you know, dismember some people, I guess,
and on film, I mean in entertainment, Yeah, no, no,
no accents like we're gonna get in all kinds of trouble.
I don't need more meetings. I don't need more emails.
I don't need more trouble. Kevin Carr, by the way,
sober gaggle on the substack was struggling on that. If
I can shift it, I'm gonna shift it. Absolutely, Yes,

(01:30:21):
all day, every day. But I mean I own mind,
that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
So we covered the Halloween and we covered obviously the paramount.
This is a bad mixing of names of the Friday
the thirteenth because it's a date specific.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
Now I want it's just like Newline had it FIRS.
I don't know who owns the rights right now. It's
it's been a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Well that's all right. I mean we're not paying extra.
We're just talking about it. So it's okay. We probably
helped them. You did something else, which is uh, I
think is tremendous. Now, did you and missus Carr get
to do this together? Sometimes maybe you do a screening together.
This may be one of those you saw with Wuthering Heights,
which I think they've done. Speaking of a franchise, how
many times have they done that?

Speaker 4 (01:31:01):
Oh, I don't know, it's been four or five at least.
I mean, there have been big ones, and then they
do like TV movies as well. Now, look, I'm gonna
just be honest. I've never read Wuthering Heights. I'm not
going yeah, I'm not going to just just I'm in
my fifties at this point. The time is pasted. It
is not on my bucket list.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Is that an assignment that we blew off and didn't
do or is it just that we missed it as
a recreational endeavor or what?

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
It just didn't happen to be on the list that
I was supposed to read. But I mean I had
I didn't read the Scarlet Letter either, though I took
a test on it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
But did you watch the movie?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
I just I got the cliff notes. You know how
this works. Come on, so, but no, I've never read
any of the Bronte stuff or or Bronte I guess
is Bronti and but but Emily Bronti wrote Whether in Heights?
Never read it. I kind of looked at the I
wanted to see how different the Wikipedia entry was to
the movie. And that's the as salute depth of my

(01:32:02):
research for this. But I want to go see the movie.
I did not go see it with my wife. She
probably would not have been wanted to be in the
theater with me, because there's a lot of me rolling
my eyes and checking my phone to see how much
longer there was in the movie Never it's not my
cup of tea. It does deviate from what I understand.

(01:32:24):
It does deviate quite a bit from the original story.
But it's a story of this, uh well. And here's
the thing with any of these sort of I get
the brunty stuff and the like the Jane Austin stuff.
It's like always about a family that's wealthy enough to
own land and have servants, but they're not rich, if

(01:32:47):
that makes sense, you know, there's always the envy and
the want of being more affluent and trying to marry
into that. So even though they're landowners and they have servants,
they're like, oh, we're not rich. And I'm like, you
kind of are are rich in the peerage you're in,
but you just don't feel like you're rich. And it's

(01:33:07):
a story of this woman who grew up and in
this her family was a landowner, but the dad was
a drunk played by Doc Martin, and her tumultuous love
affair and relationship with one of the wards that they
take on named Heathcliff, not the cat. Yeah, that would

(01:33:28):
be really cool to have if they would just if
they would see Gi out Jacob Alordi in this and
then put the giant cat in there, that would have
been really funny. And it's their tumultuous relationship, but it's
it's real toxic in this one, and they dial that
up because it's not necessarily that way in the book.
My biggest thing is they had to give this role

(01:33:49):
to two of the most attractive people on the planet
right now, Margot Robbie and Jacob Alordi, because if this
were a if they grew up looking like and Tarantino,
it would be a very different movie. It would be
a horror film. It would be rivaling any of the
franchises we had already talked about, because these people are horrible,

(01:34:11):
horrible people, full of envy and wrath and cruelty. It's
just they're awful, awful, horrible people. And I wanted a
meteorite to hit the moors in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
That would be a different movie altogether, which we've seen
and I think I liked that one, and I liked
what you just described too. Okay, so this sounds obviously
like one that clearly Russ Jackson will also want to
avoiding the show and I have, but you at least
laid it out there. Perhaps someone may go, you know,
that sounds like the perfect movie for Valentine's.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
Yeah, it's very divisive, and I mean there are people
who are gonna love it. They will because but it
is that they're both just just totally wrecked and damaged
people who cannot get over themselves. And that's dialed up
beyond what was in the original book. And I just
hated every minute of them on screen. And the only

(01:35:06):
thing that made it worth watchable is it has beautiful
cinematography and composition and all that kind of stuff. And yes,
Margot Robbie's attracted to look at I am happy to
watch her on screen, and she's a good actor. That's
the thing. It's it was. It's not a good film,
but it's like, do you remember she was in that
one movie it was either Last Summer or Fall, The

(01:35:27):
Big Bold, Beautiful Journey with Colin Farrell. Yeah, and her
character was just just a piece of crap in that too,
and I'm just like, just get herself I mean, honestly,
when you know she played famously Harley Quinn in multiple movies.
When Harley Quinn is the most centered and balanced character
you've played in the last two years, you might want

(01:35:49):
to take some different choices.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Different medication for something I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
And once upon a time in Hollywood she was great
and that too. We watched that together, we went.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
To the.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
I'm a huge Margot Robbie fan. And the reason I'm
a huge Margaret Robbie fan is because here's the thing
with her. She is so attractive. I mean, just like
if you were to say, like, just do all the
cemetery and draw the most contractive woman on the planet,
you would a lot of people would draw Margot Robbie
and not even realize it. But she's so attractive that

(01:36:23):
that actually, I think is a hindrance to her, because
she's not approachable because she's so good looking. You can't
think of her as the girl next door. But she's
such a good actor that she transcends that. And I
think that that that says a lot about her as
a performer, because if you look at a lot of
other people, like you know, like Julia Roberts. Julie Roberts

(01:36:44):
as an example, pretty woman, all this stuff. There's there's
things about her when you look at her face, it's
not it's not what you would say always classically attractive.
There's there's always like something quirky or or different about it.
And you get that with like Reese Withers, Ref's Witherspoon,
h you know, even somebody like Jennifer Lawrence, who's a
beautiful woman. She is, but she does kind of have

(01:37:07):
that girl next door quality. Marco Robbie does.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
Not really like creepy there. I was like, yes she is.
I was like creeping myself out for a minute. I'm like,
yeah she is, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:37:16):
Her family could be listening.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
They're just down the road, I know, I know, just
down a Louisville. So yeah, how dare you they know
she's good looking?

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
I mean they do.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
She's crazy talented and she's putting babies out now in
movies and she's just getting it done.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
So I mean, you know they're not on the open market, man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
No, well no, but I mean she's she's having a
family and a life and living it and making great work.
And this is gotten creepy and we only have a
minute now. I want to talk about this AI video
with Tom Curls and Brown Pit and it's gone viral
and people are very upset, including those in the Motion
Picture Association, because this is the concern that they have.
In a minute or so, can you make sense of
this or no?

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
Okay? The bottom line is as much as fun as
AI is to generate images, it at its heart art
lives and it's built on plagiarism because it takes other
work that artists have done without paying them and redistributes
it in a new image. And that's not good. But

(01:38:15):
the problem is you will always need a human element
to make it just not look like a computer did it,
no matter what you do. Yes, this is cool, and
yeah you can see Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise's face,
but there's no story, there's no plot, there's no anything there.
And you could generate a yeah, oh sure you're gonna
get AI to do like the Hallmark Christmas movies because

(01:38:36):
those are all formulaic, but you're not gonna get it
to do the real, good human stuff. And there is
a certain human performance level there. It's it's just I've
always felt this stuff. It's catchy. There's a place for AI,
and it's to do the crap work that nobody wants
to do, Like use it to clean out the code
in computer language. There's all this garbage code in computer language.

(01:38:59):
Or you use AI to find the AI stuff on
Facebook and social media and on the internet and then
carve that out so you don't see it. But don't
use it to try to replace human artists because you
get this. But because they're now using big name actors,
Hollywood is upset and they're like, no, no, no, that's
our brand and you can't infringe upon it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Right, So if it was us, nobody cared. We complain
and people go so well to get over yourself. So
you can find out what Kevin does. You can get
him in your mailbox electronically virtually. A silver gecko on
substack is where you can find Kevin. Thank you for
making time and doing what you do.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for doing what
you do. You're a prince of a man.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
You're searching so far.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
Try to come up with something.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
I know, kevinnother for me and enjoy the night. I'll
talk to you later. It's Kevin Carr, right, I'll see
you later on the Home of the Rats with sterling
seven hundred w WELW Cincinnati,

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