Sterling 4/4/26

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
About sun roofs open, hoping to avoid some rain windows down.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Red's on the road.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Back on the radio on seven hundred WLW look to
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on the Red Bulls, And of course a whole lot
of people traveling here, there and everywhere to Grahama's house

(00:28):
for Easter, for passover, sed and all. And you start
thinking who else is on the road, well, at least
traveling in a way that most of us don't normally
beyond now the International Space Station.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
If I'm not confused and informed.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
And closer to the Moon than they are to Earth
looking to whip back around to come home in days,
kind enough to give us some time. Conversation I had
with Mike D. Wall He's a space Flight Tech Channel
editor from space dot Com. I asked Mike, I said,
how do you feel about this trip and these astronauts
closer to the Moon than here and ready to come

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back in just a matter of days, making history.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
And here's what he had to say, or not. Let's
see here, technology is not away.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I think it's pretty cool, the first time humans have
left lowerth orbit since nineteen seventy two. It's actually happening.
Like I kind of expected there to be a few delays,
the launch might get pushed back a couple of times,
and it just didn't. It just went on the first
of April and there now they're going to the Moon.
It's just really really cool. I'm kind of just like,

(01:43):
it's just kind of surreal actually that it's all happening
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
And we've talked about it seemingly forever and I've been
sort of in awe of it and picking your brain
about it. And we appreciate you, Mike D Wall giving
us time from space dot com about this tonight, and
just in general, how what is the easiest way to
process the distance in which these people are are traveling

(02:07):
as we speak right now? I mean they're less than
a week out they passed the space station, and my
math is correct, just going by what I've read, they're
more than one hundred and fifty close to like two
hundred times beyond where the space station is in orbit
now and continuing to go. That's hard to even put

(02:29):
together when you see the moon, which seems at times
like you could reach out and grab it.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh hold on, about two. Go ahead, you broke out there,
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I'm sorry, No, no, that's yeah. I was just saying,
they're way beyond the International Space Station, which flies about
two hundred and fifty miles above Earth. They're like right now,
you know, like the numbers are changing all the time
because they're getting farther away every second, but they're about
one hundred and thirty thousand miles from Earth right now
and getting farther away all the time, and actually gonna

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end up about five thousand miles beyond the Moon, which
is about two hundred and forty thousand miles from Earth.
So yeah, they're they're going they're going way out, you know,
They're they're going out beyond like theorist protective, like magnetic field.
They're going way out, way way out.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
The pictures that we've seen so far from their vantage point,
some I think have been taken from if not a phone,
a tablet or something.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
It is spectacular.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Have you been surprised by anything that you've seen in
this Journey show so far that they've shared with us.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I guess I'm just surprised by kind of how how
smoothly it's all gone. I mean, there have been a
few hiccups, you know. They they like had a little
problem with the toilet when they when they first launched
and started checking things out, and I'm sure that gave
everybody on board like a little bit of a gasp,
because it's kind of it would be it would not
be great to be to be in a ten day
mission and in a space caps with three other people

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and have a broken toilet, but that that quickly got fixed.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
There.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
There have been a few other things that were just
like little things here and there, little glitches that they troubleshot,
And that's all to be expected. You know. This is
the first the first astronaut flight of this capsule, so
and it's only like the third time it's ever flown,
so you expect to kind of discover things when you
first put people on it. But yeah, I guess I

(04:21):
thought there would be not like a huge, a huge
disaster or anything, but maybe it's something a little more
serious that they had to work through, but I mean,
so far, it's just really really smooth.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
It is spectacular.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Mike D Walls, a space Flight and Tech Channel editor
from space dot Com, was stirling on the big one.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I've had people ask me, I'm a neighbor, and I
can't tell half the time if you's serious or joking.
But He's like, man, those illustrations or animations of what
they're doing, it doesn't even look real.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's fake.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
And I'm like, well, they don't have other than what
camera that's on their solar array. It's not like the
neighbor across the streets cameras can check to see how
they're looking right now, Like I may check if my
neighbors hands for trash, get sup by a car, break
that down for somebody who's like trying to wrap their
brain around this, because it is difficult even knowing what's happening.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah, And I mean they are obviously out there. There
are people tracking them with telescopes here on Earth. You
can actually see them, you know if you Google search
like Virtual Telescope Project that's like one of them that
has that is using powerful GRABD based telescopes to actually
track the progress of like of a ryet. I mean,
I'm not sure if they can still get them now
that they're so far away, but shortly after launched they

(05:33):
were certainly resolving the capsule and so yeah, and it's
pretty common for people to just say, you know, that's fake,
it's space. I mean, how can you prove it? And
people say that about A Paulo, right, But I mean
it's one of those things where it would be way
harder to keep that conspiracy quiet for sixty years than
to actually go to the Moon. And it's just not

(05:54):
it's not like realistic, and like the Soviet Union back
then had the capacity to track our space cre and
they didn't come out and say it was fake because
that would have been a great thing for them, obviously,
to show that the West was lying about their spaceflight achievements.
They actually tracked Apollo to the Moon and back. So yeah,
all the conspiracy stuff is just kind of funny because
it would be way harder to keep like two hundred

(06:15):
thousand people quiet than to actually go to the Moon.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
How big for those who don't know, because it seems
huge in comparison to the Earth and they're going around
it and their view of it will be like no
one on Earth effectively has ever seen that's living at
this point or at least effectively only a handful of people.
How much larger or smaller us to the to the
moon and just just comparatively speaking.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, it'll look I'm not sure exactly. I don't call
at the top of my head what the comparison is exactly,
but they it is going to look huge. They're they're
going to get within about five thousand miles of the Moon,
and so you know, that's not as close as the
Apollo Misians got, which would some of them actually landed,
but that's way way close than we are. We see

(07:03):
it. It looks like it's like the width of a couple
of thumbs in the sky to us or something. And
it's it's basically going to fill their their their windows
when they're on the close flyline Monday, and that's that's
that's going to be an amazing sight.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
I think.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Yeah, I can't even process that.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Because you see these shows, these movies where they you know,
people have been sucked into some other universe or strange
world or whatever, and you see all this other stuff
in the sky. But what we see in the sky regularly.
I was still blown away. We talked about this seeing
the startling stuff a couple of weeks, a month or
two ago. For the first time I knew what it was,
but it was very unnerving for a blink of an

(07:38):
eye as I was trying to process what it was,
even though I kind of knew. I just it's got
to be life changing just to leave the Earth atmosphere,
let alone, to be doing what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, Like, there's a term for that, how it changes
your your your perspective if you go to space and
can see it from space. It's called Yeah, it's called
like the like overview effect. And I mean people who
just go to orbit talk about that and how it's
life changing to see Earth with no national borders, you know,
and just see it as one world in this in

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the blackness of space that seems so fragile and vulnerable,
and it's like very obviously one coherent unit that we
all live on. So what's the point of all the
bickering and all that stuff. That's a common response to
people who go to orbit. And there just haven't been
that many people who've been to the moon, you know,
there were only Yeah, they're only six Apollo landing missions,
and they're only twelve people that set foot on the Moon,

(08:32):
so it's not a huge sample size for people who've
actually gotten gotten far enough away from Earth to have
the super overview effect, right, But like I imagine it's
even it's even more powerful to be so far away
from Earth that it like looks like the Moon from
that far away, and for the Moon to be this
giant gray orb that you're skimming over the top of
that that must be like super trippy.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
I can't imagine just the psychological change. I mean, and
I've mentioned this to other people, and others who go
and scuba diving sort of echoed it to me. But
the first time I was lucky enough to go scuba
diving and spend some time looking at coral and down
in the Cosmel area and elsewhere. I mean, it is
so what's the best word, humbling, because it really you

(09:20):
just see how insignificant you are, and then going to
space has got to be a whole other level. Even
though the atmosphere underwater is also different.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
It's crazy, Yeah, it's pretty similar actually, because it's like
an alien environment for us, right, Like we're the intruders
in the ocean. I've had similar experiences with snarkling. You know,
it's amazing for so many reasons, and that's one of them.
Like you're obviously not at home in this world and
you're like a sitting duck. You can barely move, you
can thrash around a little bit. But if like a
big shark just like zoomed out of the blue and

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decided to take a bite out of you, there's nothing
you can do. And so in space it's kind of
like that too, Like you're an invader in this environment.
You don't really belong there, but somehow we're smart enough
to build these machines that let us actually cruised through there,
and it's it is crazy. It is like a real
perception altering thing. We're far from home and we're exploring,

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and that's that's the nature of our species.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Mike D.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Wall is a space light and Tech channel editor for
space dot Com Ohio Guy out West studying this kind
of stuff with Stirling on the Big One seven hundred
wlwor Artemis two making their way up and around the
Moon sooner than later coming back home. They talked in
the last couple of days Mike about being so busy
that they had time from the first day or two
effectively to have like a a half hour nap, maybe

(10:33):
twice depending. So even though it seems like you would
have all kinds of time and be you, they don't
have any time to really stop and do anything. I mean,
this is a full on work get it done in
that space capsule kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Is they make their way back? What are they doing?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, so that's actually like let up a little bit thankful,
Like like the first couple of days were super busy,
you know, like the first day when they were just
an Earth orbit checking out the capsules, like just making
sure that Ryan all the systems were working well and
all that. That was full long because they were they
were super busy doing all his checks. And then in
the lead up to kind of leaving Earth or that

(11:12):
the big burn that that the Irion capsule made to
send it like on the way to the Moon. That
was a big deal getting ready for that. But after that,
you know, after that that burn went so well, they
fired their engine for six minutes and it put them
on the precise trajectory to go around the Moon and
back to Earth. And it was so precisely done that
they don't really have to do any other like the

(11:33):
kind of major burns. That's just how it was planned.
So they've they've they've had some time, you know, they've
had time to talk to their families, they've had time
to rest and look out the window. We're getting some
great photos of Earth taken from inside the capsule from
the astronauts. They are still working, you know, like they
did some stuff today. They did like a CPR demonstration,
just like I mean, nobody was actually hurt and needed resuscitation,

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but they practiced how they might do that in space
for future crews to use as kind of a knowledge base.
They did some other stuff like that. They've they've been
doing science experiments. They've they've been kind of gearing up
to do geology observations of the Moon when they when
they loop around it on Monday. But yeah, it's not
like as super full on as it was the first

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couple of days.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
One of the other things, the President came out and said,
they're wanting a greater focus, right and to really work
at this timeline that just seems shorter than what we
had discussed before and what I had read about getting
back there and using it as a base to then
go beyond the moon.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
What do you know.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
About what is next after this, because it seems like
this is all of a sudden. It was like weight,
literary test weight weight. Now it's like okay, now they're working.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah. So just about just about a month ago, you know,
like the the the administrator of NASA came out and
made an announcement about a change to the Artemis architecture.
The plan had been to try to land people on
the Moon with the next mission, Artemis iree, but they've
decided to kind of to change that to like an
Apollo nine like mission which will stay in ourth orbit

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and test docking procedures between Oriyan and the moon lander
that they want to use. It's not clear which one
that's going to be yet, if it's going to be
provided by SpaceX or Blue Origins, but they're they're going
to do some docking kind of practice in Earth orbit,
which whatever one of those landers is ready in twenty
twenty seven, or they might do it with both of
them if they're both ready, and then in late twenty

(13:25):
twenty eight, the plan is to land folks on the
Moon the first time on Artemis four, and then from
from there, the plan is to start building like a
moon base near the lunar South Pole in the early
twenty thirties. So they've kind of shaken up the architecture,
but it is pretty ambitious. And so if everything goes
well with Artemis two, which seems to be so far,

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and then Armis three goes well, and the private kind
of lunar landers are ready in time, we actually could
get people walking on the moon in late twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Well, I was not old to know anything. I mean,
we heard about it, but I didn't know and didn't
see or anything subsequently, and it just, you know, it
was just the stuff that you heard.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Are we so.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Jaded now because it's still overwhelming to me to imagine it,
But the world sort of stopped to watch when they
went there the first time before. Do you think it
will be just as monumental when that happens again, even
though I think just this event itself is pretty spectacular
and hard to process.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I've thought about that a lot too, you know,
because it is a totally different time. You know, back
in the apollodays, there were like three TV channels, There
was no social media, there were no cell phones, there
weren't as many distractions, right, everybody was in the world now, Yeah,
so there are just so many things competing for people's
attention now, and people have their own cyber news sources.

(14:52):
Everybody's in their own little bubble of information. So it's
kind of like it's hard to imagine that something even
as momentous as another movement could break through in the
same way that it did in the Apollo era. I
personally think it probably can't ever be the same just
because of the distraction level and our attention spans being
shattered and all that stuff. I mean, that's about to
say it won't be a big deal, but I just
don't think anything could ever be as big a deal

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as it was in the Apollo days, just because everybody
we just had fewer options to.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Hold our attention, not as innocent as we maybe once
we're a space Flight and Tech Channel editor from space
dot Com might Dywall was sterling on the Big One
short on time. Final question, appreciate you making time on
the Easter weekend, so we thank you and hope everything
is good with the family. Are these people doing much
of the driving or at all?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Do they?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
I mean, if things get weird. Will they have some
ability to control this capsule and we know that it
has some ability to fire and move around at least
at some point to control it. But you mentioned when
they were sort of slingshot at or what point. They're
on the right trajectory now, so is it just just
going to do what it's going to do or they
actually sit there and drive it the way I will home.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, So it's like the mission design is that they
don't actually have to do anything else, that they're on
the right course now where just just sort of physics,
you know, lunar gravity, they're on the exact right trajectory
where they'll come around the back side of the Moon,
and the kind of Moon's gravity well will fling them
back toward Earth in the right way and at the
right time. So they aren't going to have to do anything.

(16:23):
But that being said, they actually could if they needed to.
One of the things that they did in the first
day of the mission was actually test drive oryan and
do like all these kind of like proximity tests is
what they called it. With the upper stage of the
rocket that launched them. They spent like an hour or
so doing all these close approaches and then backing away
driving the thing manually to see just to test how

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it handled and what it was capable of. And those
tests we went really really well, like it handled really smoothly,
like according to the Artemis astronauts. So if they needed
to kind of put autopilot on a hold and take
control of the thing manually, then they certainly could. Well.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Let's hope they don't need to do that, but it's
nice that they have the capability. I'd hate to think
that you were just on and it'd be like, you know,
on on like a roller coaster, You're just there if
things go all It's not a good scenario, especially being
so far from home. Thank you for doing what you
do and bringing your insights and perspective. Mikey Wall, Spaceflight
Tech Channel, Editorspace dot Com.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Enjoy the rest of this Easter.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Weekend you too, There you go, a good conversation with
him and some insights. I'm still trying to process the
whole situation of being on a rocket that lifts you
off going faster than anyone's ever gone, farther than anyone's
ever gone, and way out there, and they don't have
a whole lot of space A whole lot of room.

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The entire capsule space that they have is three hundred
and thirty qbic feet in that Orion space capsule. So
I ask you, what would you take if you could
take like one or two little things on a trip
around the moon, not on the moon. Russ Jackson's like,
bring the golf, hit the golf ball. I get it,
yes for sure. After your three third report, Sandy Collins

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Speaker 2 (18:11):
It's difficult.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Now forget about TSA back up in lines and all
this stuff at the government shutdown which seems to have abated.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Sum you're getting out of CBG.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
You're flying at a day in Lexington, Louisville, whatever, Indianapolis.
As you're hanging out listening to Sterling, that's me and
Russ Jackson keep me online and end time, and Brady
and Sandy Collins in the newsroom keep me going. And uh,
you're trying to get where you're going here on seven
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and you only have so much room for luggage and

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they're wanting to charge more for carry ons. The're hell,
they'll'll probably start charging more for people who weigh more
because of the cost of fuel for aircraft as a
result of what's going on in the Middle East. Speaking
of which, by the way, uh, we'll talk to doctor
Dona Shleg former head of political science now professor Merida
Wright state about the Iran situation after five o'clock. Also

(19:01):
Kurt Ryber from the Free Store Food Banking, and maybe
an airfool about that new Mario Galaxy movie from Kevin Carr.
A bit later too in the meantime, thinking about going someplace,
thinking about getting out of town, and you go, okay, well,
what can I fit in the carry on? I don't
I want to have to pay more. I don't want
to you know, charge you know for that. In stowing luggage,
what do you take with you? If you have to

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decide you only have so much space under the seat
back in front of you right as how that goes,
or you stow it that way, or you stow it
on the overhead, or maybe they put it under the plane.
Maybe you get a gate ticket. Now imagine next level.
You heard conversation with Mike Waller early or if not,
you can check out the podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

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You can leave a message, by the way, by clicking
on the microphone. What do you take? Do you take
a tablet like some of these astronauts apparently we're taking
pictures from their little window and amazing pictures of the Earth,
and as soon we'll be seeing up close in person
shots of the Moon, which none of us have gotten
to see before to that level, or otherwise.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
What do you take?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I mean, I can remember vividly coming back from beach
vacation with an X of mine who had to get
like all the lotions and all the other stuff from
the vacation beach destination situation, and then coming to fly
back and we're going through a security check and then
they determined that none of the stuff lotions fit. Then
you got to decide do you throw it away? Do

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the TSA agent take the lotion? Do you stow it
under the aircraft? Do you ship it if you have
time with the postal service or whatever else. You don't
get those options if you're on a jet rocket like
Artemis too, and take any up and around the moon
in that orion space capsule, So I ask you, what
do you take? I would take probably a tablet too

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for photos. You could have some music to listen. I
don't know if they stream that for them from a
distance and wake them up, which we've seen that they
do with the International Space Station. I'm just wondering with
only think about this. There's four people up there. They
have what they describe as three hundred and thirty cubic feet.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
That is not a huge space, right.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
You've seen them in those videos, you know, sort of
tethered so they don't float around, and maybe some video
of them working. So what would you take if you
were one of the four and you're on a spacecraft
like that and you're on this crazy trip, you gotta
be able to take it with you. I mean maybe
aside from medicines and you know, lotion salves, whatever else,
lip balm, I'm guessing it's probably pretty dry up there.

(21:30):
Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred, the
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I'm on x or Twitter at Sterling Radio as well.
I would think that, I mean, maybe some gum. I've
seen some of the astronauts gnawing on some gum. I
would have to take a supply of gum, and I
would love some doctor pepper. I think maybe that'd be

(21:50):
something you look forward to on the way back. I
don't know how that works in a weightless environment, but
I might have to sneak a can or two of
that up there too. Columbus and Ransom was sterling on
seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
How are you? What do you take if.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
You're on that Artemis to rocket and then you're in
that Orion space capsule and you're trying to you only
have a little bit of room. What must you have
for a handful of days away to go around the moon?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Do you think?

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Well, for one thing, you want to make sure you Yeah,
we didn't have tablots back and I remember actually the
reason I called was on sixty six, and I was
going to take you back over fifty or sixty years
and tell you about what it was like with the
first lunar landing with the Neil Armstrong.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
But all was like, so.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
You were so you were a kid? What was that like?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Cause I talked to my mom and others about it,
and I've seen it in film.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
The whole world basically stopped the watch.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Well, of course President Kennedy had set us on this
march towards the Moon when you know, one of his
addresses to the country, and so they they picked up
the man and one ran with it. And then of course,
you know he got assassinated and and Bobby got a
cincinnaated and Barton got assassinated. So the country really needed something,
we needed to win in something at that time, you know,

(23:08):
and like you and like you had said, uh, they
only had three networks at the time, NBC, ABC and CBS,
and uh, Walver Konkite sor like was the grandfather of
the NASA program. Anytime there was any any sort of
news about NASA or you know doing this. Of course
the lead up to the you know, the launch and

(23:30):
then them, uh you know when they when they when
they let the lunar module go away from the main
capsule thing. That was a big deal going around the moon.
And you know, everybody was on pins and needles back
then because they just didn't have the telecommunications that we
have now. And so you you be sitting there, but
then when you saw Deil Armstrong and of course they

(23:54):
had some of they must have had.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
A camera on him or something like that.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
When he when he on the moon, it was like
the like the whole class cheered, you know, and then
they then they stuck the American flag up, which brought
another chair, you know. Then Buzz Aldrin came down and
they were out there playing around and bouncing around, and uh,
I think I think it was Buzz that actually borrows.

(24:19):
You know, I can't remember one of them pulled out.
They looked like a pick or something. But they had
brought a golf ball and they launched a golf ball
on the moon and it was just going. Like you
talk about the longest drive in the world. That was it, right, There.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Was a blast, no grass in sight, but there was
a lot of a lot lots of sand.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, yeah, you know. So you know, back in our days,
back in the sixties, you know, they were talking about
you know, flying cars, and they were talking about a
lot of futurists, like the Jetsons was a big cartoon
that we all watched every on Saturday, and a lot
of that stuff was like, you know, that's going to
be the future. I remember my grandmother saying to me,

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they'll never put a man on the on the moon.
You know this is or whatever. But unfortunately she passed
away and they put a man on the moon before
she even passed away, and everything so that you can't
eat troll on that. But she was such a wonderful
woman and stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
But it's an inconceivable thing.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Imagine what she and her age had seen in the
change of communication and travel and everything in her lifetime.
That's tremendous raism. I appreciate the call man, thank you
for listening and bringing your perspective on that.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
See, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
If you're not older like that and haven't been around,
it's hard to process. I remember being a kid when
the shuttle blew up, or a young man anyway, and
for years that had been coming and going. The shuttles
were going up and out and up and out, all right.
I mean it was almost like you know, catching a
metro bus or something, or you know, or getting an uber.
It was it was commonplace until it wasn't. And you

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forget how dangerous and everything that goes with it. What
would you take if you you could stow something away
on a journey such as this, and maybe sooner than
later we'll be getting to go to the moon or
maybe the next generation will and then to Mars from
there five one, three, seven, four, nine hundred the Big One.
My guess is that the smaller sizes and a lot

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of other stuff. Three hundred and thirty qw wee feet
is not big. That is not a lot of space
to Westchester. And Jim was sterling on the big one.
Hey Jim, how are you?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm good?

Speaker 8 (26:27):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I'm well.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
I just wanted to I just want.

Speaker 9 (26:31):
To chime in here. I was twenty years in the
Air Force and I was in the aerospace field. I
spent my first eight years buried in the underground Titan
two missile silo and sas on.

Speaker 7 (26:43):
I was part of the.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
Original MX test team that Reagan wanted to put a
rocket on rails.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
And my last eight years I spent at Cape.

Speaker 9 (26:51):
Canaverral launching global positioning satellites off the seventeen A and B.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
That's to so you probably did some shovels and stuff
in that window that there's a lot of subtleges.

Speaker 9 (27:01):
I was standing on my tower when the Challenger went
up and blew up almost right over the top of us,
all those children. Krista mccalloff the school teacher was on board.
It was probably the saddest day of my twenty years.

Speaker 10 (27:15):
It was just terrible.

Speaker 11 (27:18):
But again I was I was in the.

Speaker 9 (27:20):
Industry for quite a while.

Speaker 6 (27:22):
I was part of.

Speaker 9 (27:23):
Thirty six Challenge or I was part of thirty six
Delta missions where we were putting up global positioning satellites.
Saw a lot of good things, and the Challenger going
down the way that it did just put such a
damper on the industry that was really going forward at

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the time, and it was just a shame. Especially those
people lost their.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Lives absolutely and everything.

Speaker 12 (27:51):
It was very terrible.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think people forget exactly how dangerous it is. I mean,
life is fragile here, but then you go up there
and there's nowhere. It's ridiculous cold, and there's no help.
I mean, it's a it's a hard to process scenario.
It takes a very special type of person, I think,
to put themselves in a situation to be chosen to
be on a craft to do such a thing. I'm

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curious in experiencing that and having that perspective. Are you
surprised it's taken as long as it has for us
to get to this place again, to be talking about
it or do you think it makes sense.

Speaker 13 (28:26):
No, I think I'm very surprised and has taken this long.

Speaker 9 (28:30):
I am.

Speaker 11 (28:32):
I am absolutely stunned.

Speaker 9 (28:34):
Like I left there in nineteen ninety three and look
where we are and how many years.

Speaker 11 (28:40):
I mean, it was just it was just terrible, and
I think it set us back, you know. I mean
that was about you know, the reaching into the future, correct,
you know, and it kind of it kind of basically
it stopped.

Speaker 9 (28:58):
And as I said, it had a lot to do
the space industry. You had a lot to do with defending.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Our country, That's right.

Speaker 11 (29:06):
I don't think people fully realize that, you know. I mean,
you know, we had a lot of things going on
back in those days.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Absolutely do.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
We have a lot going on now too, and they're
using a lot of that same technology and stuff that
we are completely unaware of, probably in the midst of
what's going on in Iran and stuff too. Not that
we only switch topics. We'll get into that with Doctor
slike a little bit later after five. One more question
for you, Jim, and I really appreciate you listening to
being a part of the show and bringing your experience,
which is tremendous if in fact, you were lucky enough

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to be on a trip like this and you only
had a limited bit of space, which we know is
smaller than what we were flying to Florida. What would
you carry on with you if you were on an
Orion capsule trip.

Speaker 9 (29:50):
I gotta believe I would take some reading material.

Speaker 14 (29:54):
That's the something to be able to I.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Think the time.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
See I wonder if I would just be like an
annoying to the people I was working with, just wanting
to stare out there, because I mean, the first couple
of times I went scuba diving, I was so geeked
up and excited about being in effectively another world that
I went through so much air so fast, because I
was just like almost hyper ventilate, just overwhelmed. I can't
imagine being in that place. Jim, I really appreciate you

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listening to being a part of the show Man.

Speaker 9 (30:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (30:21):
But but you I wanted to give you one more
you know, I'll give you a lot more perspective as
someone who you know, the process was just unbelievable.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
Here, here's a here's an empty pad.

Speaker 13 (30:35):
You qualify all the equipment, you began stacking the rocket.
You you verified that everything is good with the rocket.
Then you go into countdown mode.

Speaker 9 (30:45):
You launched the rocket and if it's in the right
geo sync, send it back the right message. You know,
you did a first rate job. It was just so
fulfilling to see that and understand the process and watch
it unfold. It was probably the best years of my
life as far as working and being in the military.

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It was, without doubt very self fulfilling.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Got to be gratifying, and to know that you had
a hand it in some fashion is pretty amazing. And
anyone who's ever gotten to be, you know, lucky enough.
I remember when I was going to write State they
had one of the shuttles that it was on piggyback
that came to write Pat And you don't really have
an understanding of how large that you know, that particular
vehicle was, let alone, like that that rocket that has

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got that Ryan Captule up. I mean, you know, basically
higher than like crew tower, which is just inconceivable the
size that goes into it really is. And that's a
whole lot of gasoline or in this case hydrogen and
other stuff to get you up there. As you're just
sort of holding on. I can't I can't process it.
It's it's awesome. Jim, Thank you, man. Take care of yourself.
I hope you'll call it back again. Take care of

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you good.

Speaker 9 (31:56):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, man, appreciate it. Your four o'clock reports coming. I'm
not sure if it's Brady or if it's Sandy Collins.
Either way, they got you covered with the news that
matters to you, yours. We have Brady, Okay, he's got
to coming. Russ knows he's seen him. I got a
one to one to a hallway, so I don't know.
It used to be we had windows in front of us.
I'd see Russ and then the news person and then beyond.
But now I'm just in here by myself with a

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window into a hallway. Everything is fine. Kevin Carr later
conversation with him about this new Mario movie. A lot
of people looking to check that out this weekend. Doctor
Donna Schleck talking about what's going on in Iran and
what could be next is they continue to search for
that lost pilot, whole lot of other stuff to get
to between now and Chick Ludwig before the Reds and
the Rangers get at it. Trying to go back to

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back wins and take a series win. They're first A
twenty six on the road right here on the home
of the Red seven hundred WLW Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
What's happening tonight? The Reds are back at it. They're
on the road. They're in Texas, game two of this
weekend series.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Very young baby twenty twenty sixth season, but they look
to take a series win there.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
FC Cincinnati's on the road.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
And I'm thinking about this, and I have this conversation
with friends today and it's more than a regular conversation
with some people I know. So you kind of think,
which would you prefer? Do you want a World Series?
Do you want a Final four? National Championship basketball team
situation for UC or Bengals? Super Bowl? Which of all

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the things do you think means the I guess it
depends on if you're playing. Obviously you want to be
the winner regardless, but as a fan or otherwise, which
is a bigger deal?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
The Super Bowl? The Final four? The World Series?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
There's more World Series games generally, right you get four,
you're gonna get one super Bowl, but you get the playoffs,
you get the World Series could go seven, sometimes it
goes four, like their eds wire to wire when they
swept the A's that was huge and great. And how
many chicken wings? And how much beard did I consume
that year in nineteen ninety A little bit?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
And on it goes.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
So I ask you, this is sort of weird, but
I want to try to have some fun in thinking
about this.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
And we had a lot of other stuff to get to.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
After five, doctor Donischlake's going to join us for the
latest on Iran and that search for that down pilot,
and uh, that's going on as we speak at riber
free store food bank. But in the meantime, I mean
on what as a as a fan purely, at this point,
I would imagine, I think a World Series might mean more,

(34:27):
But the Reds have gotten a World Series. Then you
get the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl Bengals have never
had a Super Bowl Bengals team would be massive. Bringing
home that Lombardi Trophy. But then you think, okay, final
four for UC or Xavier or Dayton or Wright State
or maybe NKU. Those Horizon League teams could shock the world. Hell,
Miami had a run for a minute in the tournament

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after a you know, the sort of like the play
in game kind of scenario and then onward in that
in that first four deal or what have you.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
But what is it? What would be bigger? Five point
three seven? The big one? Talk back the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I mean, when it comes to wagering and everything else,
I mean, you know, that's an one thing because you
got a lot more. You got one hundred and sixty
two games in Major League baseball, but the money's not
the same with betting. A lot of college hoops and
tournament stuff, a lot of wagering and betting there. I mean,
there's a lot of ways to look at it. Some
kids at this point have never seen like a winning

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playoff Reds team, let alone getting to a World Series.
Some kids finally got a chance to see the Bengals
get to a super Bowl, but they never quite got it.
The Bengals didn't get it done there. You might be
able to remember when, like the Bearcats played deep into
the tournament in some hoops and stuff baseball college levels

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a different scenario, and some really good college baseball in
our region just in general. But I mean I'm kind
of kind of thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Kind of feel like maybe the World Series is a
bigger deal. Maybe It's just me because I'm predisposed as
a baseball fan that way. I mean, I love some
college hoops and stuff. And you know, one of the
best that I've ever heard, and I've listened back Marty
Brenneman doing some basketball and he used to do for CBA.
I think it was CBS Radio back. I remember hearing

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him in the nineties and stuff doing and as good
as Marty as a Hall of Fame broadcaster, not just
with the Reds but in Cooperstown, as good as he
was in baseball, which is one of the best ever.
I really thought he was tremendous doing hoops stuff, which
he did ABA stuff, you know, and obviously I think
it was Virginia. Heck, he was a part of two

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there before coming to Cincinnati to do Reds. So just
to give you an idea, he debuted as the voice
of the Reds fifty two years ago today, nineteen seventy four.
The Reds opened the season against the Atlanta Braves and
he debuted with Joe Nuxall fifty two years ago today,
nineteen seventy four, which is pretty amazing when you think

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about it. So, you know, would it be the final four?
It would it be the super Bowl? Would be the
World Series? I mean it's really it's a really arbitrary
kind of thing. It's a matter of personal taste and
what your focus is and what you know, what it
is that you're into. If you're playing, be to be
the best at anything that you're involved in. I mean
that would be massive. But as a fan, which which

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is it? Which you know, whether you'd bet on it
or whether you you'd actually want to go compared to playing,
you know, I mean, I'd be great if if I
was a player. I mean, all of those are pretty spectacular.
Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred, the
big One, talk back, the iHeartRadio app at Sterling on

(37:49):
x at Sterling Radio you can get interactive that way too.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
So what which is the bigger deal?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
The Final Four, the World Series, the super Bowl, MLS
Cup for some you got FIFA World Cup that's going
to be happening.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
That's pretty massive.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
That's a global scale scenario, right, I mean globally speaking,
some would argue that maybe that that's the biggest thing
on the planet.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Tough to say. What do you think?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Cole rain and Ed was Stirling on seven hundred WLW
room for you as well. If I went three seven, four,
nine hundred the big one, ED appreciate you listening and
being on the show, which is the bigger deal of
all the championships.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Actually, if you lived in this town long enough, we're
wagon jumpers, man, whicheverone's doing good, we're getting on the wagon.
So it would be any of them. I mean, as
long as they're anolytical teams, right, I mean, like Steep.
Why don't pay that much attention to the Bengals. But
the year they went to the Super Bowl Christ they
bought shirts and everything.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
They were ready to go out of the woodwork. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
I hadn't really thought about the bandwagon thing. You're absolutely
we just love winners, don't we.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
I got right, and I kind of got up in
it when the soccer I'm not a big MLS fan,
but what they were doing good. And I can't remember
how years ago was, but and they won that shield
or whatever, Yeah, I was all over it. I was
all over it because they were winning.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (39:15):
I think that's the same as everywhere.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Man, if you bring a winner, people come.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's true. If you build it, they will come. Mat
I've seen that movie.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Yeah, my favorite, my favorite sport is baseball. But I
mean if the Bangles are doing good or the soccer
is doing good, I'm all over them too. Because I'm
a fan. I don't know most of the fan is
playing word for fanatic.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
That's weird fanatics, right, I don't know about anybody, you know,
I ed I appreciate the call men thanking the perspective
we are bandwagon. I just think a guy used to
be my boss who I worked with the Channel Z
and then kissed for a minute and a half before
I left and came back.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
And uh, Matthew Harris.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
We always used to joke as a UC basketball fan
that he'd have his head band on at home all alone,
drinking his gain as you know, in his underwear and
wristbands and headband. Just focusing on bear Cat basketball. There
are some who live it and breathe it by sport,
not just by bandwagon. Which would be the bigger deal,
the World Cup, the MLS Cup, you know, one of

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those other competitive like the Lamar Hunt Shield Battled, which
I think they're doing now or had been. World Series
certainly would be massive, super Bowl and of course the
Final Four going on tonight.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
When it comes to some college hoops. Who's been holding
the longest?

Speaker 1 (40:35):
To Richwood and Eric, then Willie and room for you
five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, eight hundred, the
big one of all of the sports, of all of
the activities. And I just said, somebody mention, how dare
you not mention? It sounds like Tracy Jones. It says,
how dare you sterling not mention ping pong? Because I
guess calling me out? Thank you, Mark. I do occasionally

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make fun of ping pong. Table tennis is what the
real players do. Ping Pong's what I play in the basement.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Eric, what do you have? I appreciate you holding your
sterling on the big one?

Speaker 7 (41:04):
Okay, great? I have been a long right now, I'd
say I would love to live in an area. I
live in Kentucky, up Trade or Cincinnati. I've been here
all my life. I would love to live in an
area and it's got its stuff together. In the host
of Final four, I don't care, I don't care who

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is playing in it. You belt you just said it.
You belt it, and they will come. You know this,
people in this area were taxed to put two places
on that record, and man, one of them have ad
it a little bit to the west tonight is matter
of fact, Indianapolis in that Lucas Center. Nine times have

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they hosted that Final four. About three three hundred events
are here in that center.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
And I remember when they had the Hoosier Dome, and
I think our Rocky Boyman Probably I could be wrong.
He may have been after the Hoosier Dome when he
was there with the Colts, but I can remember as
a kid taking a tour of it and how big
of a deal it was. And I didn't realize that
those facilities had been that busy with that many events.
But the question is would people cough up the cash

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to pay the taxes to build a facility that would
be big enough and multipurpose enough to host a Final
four something like that. Because they struggle at this point
to replace Heritage Bank Center, they talked about to bring
something bigger, to get even further in the tournament, not
to the Final four, even.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
As privately you're not gonna kill well, no, not them,
but but.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
I mean the community itself, the city of the county.
They've talked about coming together to build something that would
be as you just described.

Speaker 7 (42:47):
Yeah, well, I guess I might be talking after the
horse is gone and to close the door. I just
think it's a real shame that all that money. I mean,
they won the open open air facility so they can play.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
On natural grass, right, Oh well sure, because I mean
it's hard for those guys. I mean, any of those
guys you talked to who play pro football, you know,
and they tell you about you know, it's like a
physically being in a car collision at thirty miles an
hour multiple times a game.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
So you can hear it.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
So, I mean, you know, playing on a natural surface
compared to the surface even a PBS now or pay corps.
You know, they've talked about it being somewhat suspect too.
So I don't know how you ever get completely around
it where it's not going to be somewhat harmful to
those playing on it.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
But I get what you're saying, well football, Yeah, you
guys don't. It's hard.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Eric be safe, drive and enjoy your time in Indy.
And yeah, I mean, would you cough up the cash?
I mean we talk about people still complain about the
tax deal that Hamilton County did back in the late
nineties when pay Corps became like a living breathing thing
down by the river, which is you know, still an
award winning design, great facility, but it's not going to

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do a Final four, you know, would you pay for that?
That's a that's a great question that he asked, and
I just don't know if you had that many events,
maybe and then where do you put it? Let's get
a Monroe Wellie then Amy, I like it when women
call it. We'll get her next. And then Kevin after
Welly was sterling on seven hundred WLW of all of
the championships, Final four, Super Bowl, World Series FC Cincinnati,

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maybe getting a chance at the MLS Cup if they
get to it at World Cup when you name it,
which is the bigger deal to you?

Speaker 4 (44:38):
World Series by far. We've been to Crasley Field, Riverfront
and now Great American. It's time to bring the Big
c back on top of baseball like it like it
was for the past one hundred years.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I can't disagree with you. It mean it'd be nice,
you know.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
And then they'll try to go back to back wins
and take another sea this time from the Rangers, their
first road trip of the year. Little later tonight on
the Big One, as they do it up in Arlington,
So yeah, I mean that would be huge. They're playing
for that right now, so I totally get it.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Will.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I appreciate the call.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Amy, it's your turn with Sterling on the big one
of all of the final four happening tonight, you know,
all these other things, very young baby, twenty twenty six
baseball season reds looking you know, to get a series
win against the Rangers later on, which one would you
be hip to the most? As far as championship activities, Amy.

Speaker 8 (45:31):
It has to be Baseball World Series because that is
an opportunity where as can actually attend the game and.

Speaker 10 (45:40):
It would bring it to the city.

Speaker 8 (45:42):
Super Bowl where you'd have to go, so that but
Baseball you could actually go and the game be a
part of it.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I mean, if you're lucky, you know, in football times,
you know you could get home field advantage maybe through
the playoffs, but the Super Bowl generally is going to
be another destination situation.

Speaker 10 (46:01):
So yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, bring it to the city,
up the city.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I'm with you, Amy, I appreciate the call, Thank you,
and be safe driving, Kevin. Your was Sterling on the
Big One? Which of the is the bigger deal, super Bowl,
World Series Final four, as a fan, as a spectator,
which is it that You're like, Man, this is it?

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (46:23):
By far Sterling. It would have to be the Bengals
winning the Super Bowl. Yeah, just for the sheer fact
that the city and the entire region was at an
absolute fever pitch just only three years ago, and the
fact the.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
Bengals have been so close to winning that game.

Speaker 12 (46:44):
Three separate times.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
They really have a playway and I.

Speaker 12 (46:48):
Swear and have not done it they if they could
win a super Bowl, it would be Look, the Reds
have already won World Series, and granted the last one
was in nineteen ninety, you've got an entire generation of
Reds fans who don't even know what winning baseball looks like. However,
the Bengals winning the Super Bowl would unite the city

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in a way you would not ever see before.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I mean you could certainly feel it when they got
out to La to play the last time and it
didn't quite go so well.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
So, I mean I feel what you're saying, Kevin. I
appreciate the call, and you may be right.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
That might be the bigger one, the harder one, you know,
it's tough from nineteen ninety just to get back through
the playoffs. The good news is, I think this pitching
issues right now with the Reds. And I'm not trying
to like put a hex on them, but I mean
they seem to be pitching a plenty just a few
weeks ago, and then with some injuries and so forth,

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not even just to mention blister issues all of a sudden,
going deep and seeing exactly what you got. If the
Reds can tread water through this period of time and
get some guys back healthy, you know you may be
looking at a championship team. We'll have to wait and
see exactly how it goes.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I don't know. It's kind of tough. Five point three seven.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
The big one at Sterling Radio on x you can
get interactive that way and the talkback up feature on
the iHeart radio app. If you're streaming there or want
to leave a message, it might be easier. You can
click on the microphone on the iHeart Radio app and
talk back that way as well. I mentioned the Reds
and Chick Ludwig will have the inside pitch today. I
got it tomorrow after ken Brew. But the Reds, of

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course are they're on the road. I mentioned it, they're
in Texas, and I've got your starting lineup if you
hadn't already heard behind Rhet Louder, he'll get the start
today and so far no decisions, of course in this
very young season with a three six ERA and five strikeouts.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You got TJ.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Friedel leading off in centerfield. Matt McClain's going to play
second base and hit second. Hopefully that back's coming around.
Ellie went deep yesterday. He'll be back at short hitting third.
Su Stewart is at first base. He'll be hitting clean up,
hopefully bringing some runs home. He Henio Suarez showing some
strength with the bat coming around too, looking good. He'll

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be at third base, hitting fifth. Nathaniel Lowe's the DH
hitting six. Spencer Steers in right field. He got himself
on and did some damage ester Day two. He'll be
in left field, hitting seventh, in front of Will Benson
who's in the eighth slot in right field, and Jose
Travino is going to catch and receive for Red Lauder
calling the game, hitting ninth. So that is a today's

(49:26):
starting lineup against the Texas Rangers for your Cincinnati Reds
coming up. Your four point thirty report. We'll got Kurt
Riber from the Freestore Food Bank going to join me
after that. Doctor Donna Schleheck two, Professor Meredith from Wright State.
She's the former head of political science. There been a
while since we've had her on. I'm glad she's available.
We're gonna get into her head and get her take

(49:47):
on where things stand right now with the war on Iran,
as our military is in search of and it's a
grave situation with one of those flymen on the ground,
hopefully not in the hands of the enemy, but hopefully
hiding out and waiting to be rescued as that search continues,
at least with the latest on that, so we'll see

(50:08):
exactly how that goes, all right, So that's coming up
after five, and then at five thirty or so, I
think conversation we have with Kevin Carr about that new
Mario movie. A lot of people head into the movies
this weekend, big movie weekend, and a lot of people
into the comic stuff of the Maria brothers. One of
they just did a Mario movie not long ago. But
people will love it and we'll see how it goes.

(50:29):
And of course the other that ties in with what's
going on and what's available in the podcast with Mike
wall from conversation we had talking about that shot around
the Moon and the arnemous two trip in the Orion
caps of with those astronauts that'll be available on the
podcast later on, too, good conversation with him. So in
the midst of all of that and you start thinking
about going to the Moon and everything else. I mean,

(50:53):
there's a lot happening right now. Final four Reds on
the Road FC Cincinnati on the Road in the news.
Come up straight away your four thirty report and update
on everything that's going on, including what's happening here into
the tri State that matters to you and me Right
here on the home of the Reds, seven hundred WLW
as so for Easter in front of us seven hundred

(51:14):
WLW sterling hanging out. I know there's rain expected and
everything else, but it's unseasonably warm. Had the windows open,
sunroof open, blossoms from the trees into the car. So
I now I got to go vacuum that out. I'm
not complaining. It could be snow, and I'm glad that
it's not. Kurt Ryber Freestore Food Bank Boss back with
me seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
It's been a while, Kurt. How are you?

Speaker 15 (51:36):
Hey, Sterli?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 15 (51:37):
How about you?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'm doing all right.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
I appreciate you making time for those who are completely unaware,
unplugged and so on. Freestore Food Bank long standing ray
of hope and sunshine and an opportunity for a lot
of people to get a hand up when they need
it and also for people to be able to help
those in need who are as you want to call it,
food insecure in and around the Tri State break down

(52:00):
what all you guys do and how we can help,
because it just starts with the Eastern in front of
us and pass over happening, and I just it's always
one of those times where I start thinking more about others.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I try to anyway.

Speaker 15 (52:12):
Yeah, the holidays really bring out the best in this
entire community. But this Tri State community has been supporting
us for fifty six years and since you know in
nineteen seventy one when Frank Gerson's opened us up as
our founder. But we support over six hundred countries in
twenty counties in our Tri State region. In addition to that,

(52:33):
we have our Customer Connection Center located and over the
Rhine where we are meeting the needs through supportive services,
rental assistants, utility assistants, Snap outreach, Medicaid outreach for so
many families that are, as you said, need a hand
up as opposed to hand out. And then we also
have two workforce training programs that are just they have

(52:53):
set the standard in the industry. So we have a
culinary training program it's been going on since two thousand
and one called Cincinnati Cooks that gets you know, our
students graduating and getting great jobs in the culinary industry.
We also have a logistics training program called Lift the
tri State and that program has been going on for

(53:14):
nine years now, and those two and are getting jobs.
They're getting first of all, they're getting trained in four
different pieces of equipment in the warehouse and knowing how
to work as a team, and they're getting great jobs
twenty five bucks an hour, many with full benefits. So
you know, it's not only feeding the line that this
community allows us to do, but it also helps us
to end the line and really create more economic mobility

(53:38):
for the families that we're serving.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
It's a pretty amazing thing and the community is so
entrenched and involved in this corporate sponsorship. Individuals and everybody
is sort of taking part in it. Talking to Kurt
Raiber Freestore Food Bank of Boss with Sterling seven hundred WLW,
I'm just kind of curious. Even in the best of
times economically, it is astonishing to me how difficult it

(53:59):
is for a lot of people to be able to
just keep their head above water. And these are not
necessarily the best of times going on right now. We
cuts to a lot of social services and so on,
and things getting much more expensive gas, et cetera. What
are you seeing, I mean, because you see a lot
of stuff sort of like the you know, what are
the canary and the coal mine kind of scenario, Kurt,

(54:21):
compared to what a lot of others may see just
in the every day.

Speaker 15 (54:26):
Yeah, we're seeing more and more new family members that
are coming to our markets, our Livery Street market, our
b Taylor Market, and and and they're struggling right now.
They're trying to, as you said, you know, meet the
needs of their families. Higher prices, you know, whether it's
the grocery store, childcare, housing, you name it. Those families

(54:50):
are up against it and we came through the pandemic.
You know, most of the families came through and had
a challenging situation for their entire family because of going
and burning through their reserves. Now they're faced with these
higher prices, and that's really something that I think, you know,
so many families are dealing with right now. That Freestore

(55:11):
and our panting network is able to provide and that
really makes a difference for so many families.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Something else that's really striking to me, And I can
remember this when I was a kid at EJ. Brown
Elementary and Jefferson Primary School, there are a lot of
kids that you'd see them and they'd be hungry, and
you know, I would bring a lunch and try to help.
They had some lunch programs, but there were kids who
either didn't qualify their family. I don't know what the
circumstance was, and it was devastating to me as a kid.

(55:41):
And it's very close to me and my mom came
up with not a lot. So it's always look to
help people. And I've sort of been around those type
of things, and I know with schools, it's challenging. Kids
can't learn if they're they're bellies aching, and if they're hungry,
and if they don't know if they're going to have
food when they come home. You are are engaged with
the Free Store Food Bank HURT and have been for

(56:03):
a long time. And a lot of these pantries in
and around communities and schools in urban areas, suburban areas,
rural areas. I mean, everyone is affected by this, and
the kids are on the front line.

Speaker 15 (56:14):
They really are. You know, eight out of ten kids
are eligible for referring and juice lunches. So when they're
off from the school because of holidays, because of the
summer coming up here shortly, they're going home to empty cupboards,
empty refrigerators. Free Store has not only have we have
three different programs that support kids. One is our power
pack program pack. We had, you know, a group of

(56:36):
volunteers this afternoon working at our community Resource and Distribution
center packing power packs. We packed over twelve hundred power
packs for kids right here in our community, making a
difference for them each and every day. Because eight out
of ten kids are eligible for free and reduced lunches.
So when they're out of school, they're going home and
not getting their breakfast and not getting their lunch. So

(56:57):
that's where Free Store Food Bank and our six hundred
plus pantry help support that effort day in and day out,
and this community has rallied behind us and allowed us
to really make a difference for the families that we're serving.
And we just can't thank this trasticcalient community enough for
that time going and continued support.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I tell you, your multitasking is tremendous. I can barely
I mean people joke about the chewing gum and walking
at the same time, lit alone talking and I hear
you like you're doing a little of everything and getting
all the you know, the information out incredibly and dealing
with my questions. So I really appreciate that. Talking to
Kurt Ryber, Freestore Food Bank boss with Sterling on the
big one. How can people I mean, you can choose

(57:37):
sort of like one of those books where you get
to choose your own ending or path. I want whichever
one you want to talk about first, either how people
can lend a hand or how people can get a
hand and a little bit of help right now, because
both things are I mean, sometimes you're on both sides
of it. And I know for a fact I've seen
people and engage with people who have been both on
sides of it too. Sometimes because if you're very sensitive

(57:58):
and familiar with what it's like to go without, you're
a lot of times quicker to be able to lend
a hand because you know you don't want anyone else
to navigate that feeling.

Speaker 15 (58:07):
Yes, certainly, I tell you it's a different side of
the same coin. And that's why I said is that
people can go to freestore foodbank dot org if they
need assistance, they can click on guilt get Help Now
and really allow them to find a pantry that's close
to them, or they can come to one of our markets.
Our Livery Street Market Isn't over the Rhine very accessible

(58:28):
Monday through Friday from eight o'clock in the morning to
four o'clock in the afternoon. Our detailing market we just
closed down this afternoon, but we're open Tuesday through Saturday
nine to five during the week, and on Saturdays we're
open up from ten o'clock in the morning to three
o'clock in the afternoon. Basically, seventy five percent of the
families that we serve, our working families, they're just not

(58:49):
making enough money to make ends meet. When it comes
to meet the needs of all their family members. So
if folks need help, go to Freestorefoodbank dot org. But
also we had over seventy volunteers today. It came through,
packed our senior boxes, packed our power packs, and gave
of their time during this holiday weekend. And that's tremendous

(59:11):
because we have one hundred and forty amazing team members
that are on the front line of hunger each network,
each every day with the Free Store Food Bank. But
we have over twelve thousand volunteers that provide eighty five
thousand hours of volunteer service and I can't you know,
I can't thank them enough for giving of their time
but also their treasure. We have folks that have rallied
behind the work that we do and really make a

(59:33):
difference by giving of themselves and of their treasure. Every
dollar that comes in the Free Store of Food Bank,
we can provide the equivalent of three meals, and ninety
four percent out of all the resources we get in,
whether it's in kind or monetary, go directly to the
families that we serve right here at Tristate Neighbor and
that neighbor's helping neighbors.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Exactly correct.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
And that's one of the things I think a lot
of people like, you know, the first thing you look
for when you look at a charitable donation and organization
that you're going to work with is where that money goes.
And you, guys, that would not be around as long
as you've been doing as much good as you do
with the teaming with individuals and corporate sponsors and so
on helping people in the Try State if you weren't
you know, doing it the right way. Something else here

(01:00:13):
I want to I don't know if this is still
in I just seen this. It was yesterday, I think,
or maybe it was this morning. The double your Dollar
donation is that today going on still?

Speaker 15 (01:00:23):
That's going on this coming weekend. But people can do
go to our website right now free stir fooit bank
cate org and click on the double your Dollars Day
and those every donation they make we doubled. And that's
really a tremendous way for us to you know, take
one dollar and make it six dollars because some one
of our donors, our second helping donors, have helped you know,
you know, provide that matching donation and that's really something

(01:00:45):
that has just really allowed us to leverage the resource
that we get in each and every day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Surely it's pretty amazing. And I know you somehow. I
don't know who else can budget the way you do.
I mean, the amount of meals for a dollar or
five dollars is spectacle killer. And to be able to
donate and have it doubled thanks to it was at
Dick and Bert roh rare.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
How do you say it? I had it right the
first time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
That's rare. Usually I screw up, all right. So Dick
and Bert Rhor obviously helping to contribute by doubling those dollars,
and that's ad Freestorefoodbank dot org. What have I not
asked that is relevant? Before we let you bounce into
the rest of this easter and pass over weekend.

Speaker 15 (01:01:22):
Hey, a sternly, what I want to tell you too
is that you know, as you know, I've announced my retirement.
I'll be retiring from the Free Store on July tenth
of this year, and we've our board has selected my successor,
the person that will stepping into the role of president
and CEO. His name is Craig Casi. He is an
executive from the Tristate area, has worked at PNG, worked

(01:01:43):
at Michaelman, worked at cold Jet, but really has a
passion for the work that we do. He was there
working with me today with our volunteers, and he's going
to take us to the next level, and we're just
so excited about the apport. He's going to have to
work with his community and get support from folks like

(01:02:04):
yourselves to truly make a difference, because we know that
we can create a hunger free, healthy and thriving community,
and I know Craig's have been all that for us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I certainly hope that we can stay in touch and
we'll certainly talk to you between now in July and
then we'll get Craig and maybe you can introduce us.
We'll have a call together or something and we'll can help.
So that's tremendous. It's good news for you too. You've
been doing this for a while, so it's good to
be able to step away and relax and carry the
torch or pass it on to somebody else. So there

(01:02:33):
you go again. The website Freestore Food Bank dot org.
Kurt Raiber, thank you for doing what you do. I
hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend and we'll
catch up against him.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Shirley.

Speaker 15 (01:02:42):
Great to talk with you, and happy holidays everybody out there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
And WLW there you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Go, man, Thank you, appreciate what you're doing and glad
that you could just contributing. And that's the thing that
the community and I missed that rubber duck or God,
and they've been doing it virtually, but I mean, that's
really one of the things that the kids love too
and be able to help and lend a hand.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Quote break.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
We'll come back on the other side before the five
o'clock report. I'm gonna talk about something I heard about this.
I went to school with a kid who was in
a house like this, and it's naked moms. It's a
naked mom theory. Apparently it's a way of dealing with
growing up in a home that is different than any

(01:03:21):
home that I lived in. But I've seen it and
some moms may be more than others. I'll explain on
the other side. More Sterling seven hundred WLW. E regularly
friends would go over and it would just sling poo
with people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
It was a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
And I hope that monkey found freedom in a good
place to live out these days. There was another friend
named Todd, and we go to his house and a
lot of my friends were like pre teenage, ten, eleven,
twelve years old or so. By the way, it's sterling,
How are you good to hang out with? You appreciate
you making some time on a Saturday afternoon, seven hundred WLW,
A couple of minutes away from your five o'clock report,

(01:03:57):
Doctor Donnad Schlake going to join us on the other
side for political science at right state. Now, Professor Merritt
are going to talk about her Ron got Kevin Carr
with some movie stuff. Now back to the Todds. So
one Todd was the monkey poo flinging Todd with that guy,
and then there was the other guy, and you would
go to his house and my friends started to want
to go there like all the time. And I couldn't

(01:04:18):
figure out what the hell the big deal was. And
it turns out and I didn't know they had given
it a name, and someone sent me this in the
last week to ten days and I just had not
had a chance to bring it up. And I had
a few minutes and maybe this is not the good time,
because there's limited time. But what apparently that household and
I didn't know because they hadn't given it a name yet.

(01:04:39):
His house was a naked mom house. And all I'm
going to tell you is about this that. And he
had like a sister too. I think she was maybe
a year or two older, and you know, I thought
she was hot and all. But apparently the mom would
would run around in underwear or nearly naked a lot
of the time when nobody else but the family was around.

(01:05:01):
I don't know if the rest of the family was naked,
now that I think about it. I had a lot
of questions that I should have asked that I didn't
because I was just sort of taken back by the
whole thing. And mom was like, I don't know if
you necessarily need to be over there. What do you
mean the mom's naked? I said, the mom's naked a.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Lot of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
But apparently it's a whole concept, it's a whole thing.
In the last in these years since then, more and
more people are doing this where they're just naked at
the house.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
I mean, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Difficult for me to wrap my brain around that window
of time when it was I had friends and family
who were like, take your shoes off at the door,
come in, We're a no shoes house. There's some slippers
at the door. They'd embrace that concept, and I get it.
That makes great sense to me. I'm a fan of that,
because you know you've been walking around outside. Why track

(01:05:44):
all that crap through the rest of your home. I
totally understand the naked mom thing. It's they say, it's
good for girls to be comfortable with their body. It's
a non sexual nudity, is the way they describe it
in practice. I looked it up because I wanted to
know more about this before I mentioned it on the show,

(01:06:08):
and I wish that I had had more questions and
had conversations with Todd's mom at the time. I don't
know if she was just you know, coming out of
the summer of love in the seventies and early eighties
and that was just her comfort zone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Remember, I don't even remember seeing Todd's dad around a lot,
so I don't know. She was a fine enough looking woman.
But as I start thinking about it, getting up in
years like middle school to high school, that would have
been a very odd and unusual circumstance. And the daughter
Todd's older sister. I don't recall her running around in
her underwear or nearly naked at the house. I probably

(01:06:45):
at that age would have been hanging around more regularly.
I don't know how regularly this is done by people.
I don't know how much this has been embraced. I'm
just curious, have you do you live in a naked house?
Do you live with a naked mom? I mean, we're
all naked under our clothes, but I just this is
an odd kind of a scenario. And again, it's it's

(01:07:08):
like the there was wasn't there a newdist colony or
two in and around the tri State here going back
to the early two thousands that got a lot of attention.
I remember that being in the news at some point.
I remember people calling me here on the Big One
some years ago talking about being in the nudist colony scenario.
And everybody you talk to about it, they go, it's

(01:07:29):
not a sexual thing. It's just a liberating, free thing,
and people shouldn't be so you know, tied up and
and pent up and fixated on Russ.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Jackson and just an ad Myers. Oh no, it's sexual.
I would imagine for some it would have to be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I can't imagine you being in the situation aside from
you know, you got to carry a towel around. You
can't even go to the gym after New Year's with
and I'm not like a big gym goer, but I'd
like to go occasionally. You can't get people to towel
off the equipment and their clothes. However, sweaty at the gym.

(01:08:06):
Now take it to another level. I don't necessarily mean
in the naked mom house needing to carry a towel
around because of like sweat and nastiness. But you think
about the you know, at the newdist colony. I mean,
there's a whole lot of I got a lot of questions.
I don't know who the hell has any answers. I
don't know if we need to call or Willie on

(01:08:26):
this or otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I don't know. Listen, reach out at.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Sterling radio on ex Twitter, call it what you want,
the talkback feature, the iHeartRadio app, click on the microphone,
leave a message there. I would like to hear from
anyone who's living this naked life, because you can't normally
just run naked around the community, right It wasn't that
long ago. There was somebody who got arrested. There was
a woman who was a mowing lawns her lawn on

(01:08:53):
a riding mower, topless, like in a bikini situation, and
people were all up in arms on that. And I've
find that interesting as I'll get out. But I don't
know that one is the same as the other. So
I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I don't know that I'm comfortable with myself naked on
my own now that I think about it, I've shared
way too much. All right, we'll come correct in time
for news. Your five o'clock report is straight away. Where
are you naked moms?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Sometimes the nakedness leads to being a mother, you know
what I mean? I mean in some fashion, I mean
a one step after another, things happened. I was a
two percent pill baby, so I mean, you know what
do w I know? Doctor Donna Schleke, on the other side,
former had a political science at Right State, joined us.
The show helped break down the situation and iron where
we stand now with that missing airman and as a

(01:09:42):
conflict continues with the war and the Middle East and
the straight of horn moves and the rising prices of
oil and food and everything else associated with it. I
don't mean to be the prophet of who. And Kevin
Carr in the distance too, talking movies hang out. Another
hour to go before Chick Ludwig in Red's Baseball on
the road in Texas to take on the range. Her
home of the retch was Sterling News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

(01:10:05):
Final Hour Together find Saturday afternoons Sterling Easter weekend, pass
over happening right about now, and war continuing in the
skies above Iran and in the Middle East to destroy
to horror moves and a search for a down airman.
Two jets hit yesterday by Iran. One pilot rescued, another

(01:10:28):
got to Kuwait somehow in the midst of that situation
in one of those jets. And it's gotten to care,
which is a good thing kind and I have to
give us some time. It's been a while, and I'm
hoping things are good with doctor Donald Shchlike. She's a
former head of political science at Wright State now Professor Merridath.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
It's been a while. I hope you're doing okay. Everything's
good with the family. How are you doing okay.

Speaker 10 (01:10:47):
It's good to hear from you, and as usual, things
are interesting out there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah, interesting times, which is of course what a family
friend when I was little, who had been through the
Holocaust told me, hope that we never lived through the
interesting times or anything like they had, and we are
in a different set of interesting times. What is your
take on where we are right now with this war?
And some people have gone, oh, you can't call it
a war, but if I don't know, I don't know

(01:11:13):
what else you call it. Accept that right now with
a missing airman on the ground right now being searched
for and obviously worried about them ending up in enemy hands.

Speaker 10 (01:11:24):
Yes, if we're talking about, you know, another potential prisoner
of war or another hostage situation between the US and Iran,
it is another really, really disturbing turn. It's I'm beginning
to appreciate that there's always going to be a balance
of extremes and President Trump's presidency. On the one hand,

(01:11:48):
he has helped reactivate the US space program. Right we
have a crew on its way, it's already heading into
a lunar orbit, and it would just shut down for
the Moon landings ended in seventy two. And yet on
the other hand, in foreign affairs, we have a war
of choice, a preemptive strike, you concern over the nuclear materials.

(01:12:15):
And yet I am so reminded Sterling of the quote
I heard an Afghan war veteran say once, you had
a meeting with a member of the Taliban who pointed
to the watch on the soldier's arm and he's and
he said, you have the watch, but we have all
the time. And I think you and I both appreciate

(01:12:38):
Americans are an impatient people and the idea of another
very long or a forever war, which of course President
Trump campaigned against. That is why so many people left
right middle of the spectrum wherever you are. They all
want to know what is the plan, what is the timeline.

(01:12:58):
But what they're really asking is, you know, do we
have a plan, do we have a plan for success?
And is there an exit strategy. I'm really struck by
how those painful lessons from Lebanon that Colin Powell used
to talk to presidents about that you don't get in

(01:13:19):
one if you can possibly avoid it without the support
of your public, without Congress, you know, without all the
means to accomplish it being willing to change your strategy
and to have an exit strategy. So we are breaking
just about every one of the rules of the game.
If we've learned anything from our previous interventions, I'm going

(01:13:43):
to call it an intervention sterling. And we appear to
be trying to use massive military force to accomplish some
objectives that are going to require some politics and some diplomacy.
So there's this great disconnect. The Iranian can wait and suffer,
the American public will not, and certainly the international price

(01:14:06):
of of of obviously fossil fuel fertilizers. I mean, you
know helium, you know the scope of damage, the rolling
damage across all of our energy intensive economies is just
going to get worse. The market is on track to
close it at a four year you know low in

(01:14:29):
terms of how far it may be coming down. So
there is such a disconnect. When I first got involved
in representing the faculty to the administration, one of the
best pieces of advice I heard from the President the time,
who is Kim Goldenberg. He said, the best way to
govern or even to represent people is always under promise

(01:14:52):
and over deliver. And the Iranian intervention at this point
in time looks like a lot of over promising. And
you know, we have a deadline of Monday. If the
strait of hormones is not opened. President Trump is promising
massive retaliation. So I'm sort of holding my breath. Are

(01:15:14):
we going to have another tariff? You know, the tariff
is off, or the tariff is down, or you know,
are we going back to that? But we have a
lot of Americans who've been dispatched. I've told you, I
think I said on the air, I had a family
member involved in eighty three dispatched to go up to
Beirut when the two hundred and forty one Marines were

(01:15:38):
killed there as they slept in their dormitory.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:15:41):
So the connections go way back. My heart goes out
to all the people on active duty and their families.
A lot of people from the right state area up
around right. Pat we're connected to the six casual the
people six people who died earlier in March. So it
is it has not been well explained to the public

(01:16:04):
with a timeline. We've just seen headsets fire. The chief
of staff of the Army. That's just never a good sign,
right because you know who does the heavy lifting marines
and soldiers in the army. If we do have to
do a land incursion that is such a red line
for the American public. I don't think any political scientists

(01:16:28):
could overestimate for you what a big line that will
be if we hear Americans are landing on Irani and soil.
I dread that. I think we must avoid that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
I hope that we do, doctor donashchl like, by the way,
as the former head of political science at Right State
now Professor Amerita, was sterling on the Big One talking
about what's going on in Iran, and you mentioned the
politics of this effectively because you have the public here Stateside,
who the president works for and our interest, and of
course then there's the rest of the world in the

(01:17:00):
public nature of propaganda and intimidation and negotiation that is
different than what is going in back channels between Pakistan
and whoever else is helping with communication to Iran from
the US as well as for Israel. Doctor Slack, I'm curious,
as you mentioned that, I don't know how you're not
going to have more boots on the ground to go

(01:17:22):
after the lost airmen. And I don't know how if
they were talking about one of the goals was to
eliminate the nuclear threat. Then accomplishing that goal would be
to acquire the nuclear materials or dispose of them in
some fashion. How is that done without men and women
in uniform on the ground.

Speaker 10 (01:17:43):
It can't be done. I don't think it can be done.
I don't think there's any avoiding it if we choose
a military approach to addressing that problem, the nuclear problem.
And I think you're very very right to focus You're
very right there. You have two options. You can you
can try a military strike, you know, to seize all

(01:18:04):
of this, what nine hundred pounds of enriched uranium, or
you could try a negotiated approach with inspections and you know,
ultimately to you know, be able to have some verification
of the fact that Iran will not, you know, try
to once again go nuclear. But Sterling, the problem is,

(01:18:25):
the technology is out there. Iran has plenty of engineers
who can rebuild it from scratch if needed. That that
even that is not going to be a long term
solution without the diplomatic part. And I won't go into
it at length, but I will remind you and your
listeners we had an agreement with Iran in twenty fifteen

(01:18:48):
to inspect their sites and to verify that they were
complying with non enrichment of uranium.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Was that working?

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
We had because we'd heard that it was working from
some of sarty interrupt actor slag. But that is a
pivotal thing. And I've had a conversation that has escalated
into argument with people that I know who have served,
who were in conflicts just in the last twenty years,
going back to Afghanistan and a Rock and so on,
and people both on both sides of that argument who

(01:19:17):
have served, saying one hand that they thought it was working,
in another saying that it clearly wasn't working and something
had to be done. And these are people who were
involved in some fashion in that endeavor. So I know
enough to know why I don't know enough, So I
ask you, was it working? Who can we believe? Because
we've heard so many different stories and varying stories of

(01:19:38):
success and effectiveness of that going back years now.

Speaker 10 (01:19:42):
Well, the inspection teams and the people who worked on
those inspection teams, many Americans military scientists had worked previously
in Russia when they were decommissioning, a lot of their sites.
The five countries that signed up off on that joint
Comprehensive Plan of action, the US, China, Russia, US, Britain

(01:20:07):
and France all accepted that it was working. So the
states that had signed on to it accepted that it
was working. We tore it up in twenty eighteen. It ended,
so that conversation, I think will always continue. Verification. Ronald Reagan,

(01:20:27):
you know, talked to you know, trust, but verify. But
those really are the two pretty stark choices in front
of us. A military option to try to seize the uranium.
It will cost lives and it will not stop Iran
in the future from doing the same thing again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
I have a difficult question here, and this is going
to sound horrible, but it is a reality of the
world in which we live. There are a lot of
people right now that are very dissatisfied and unhappy with
this engagement that we are involved in, and feel that
they had not had it explained to us that the
story has changed time and time again. Wait, there'll be

(01:21:08):
a post later that'll say something different than what we
heard earlier today. And I think that it is a
legitimate complaint by the public, and so on. The other
side of it is because it isn't a public propaganda
game between US and Iran and others out there, that
it is probably hard to have us be told what
the truth is because there's other stuff going on in

(01:21:31):
intimidation and negotiation and everything else that is the muscle
of the US and Israeli army and military going full
on against Iran to some point. So as we look
at this and we try to make sense of it,
it just don't think anybody is anything except supportive of
our men and women in uniform. And we value that

(01:21:53):
sacrifice and that willingness to put themselves on the line.
But you don't want it wasted. We don't want it
a distraction. We don't want it done as a political
you know, a game for one of a better way
to describe it. And a president that had a competitor
and running for office against him at one point that

(01:22:14):
he called a loser who was a prisoner of war
for a long time, who was a flyboy for these
United States and John McCain and I got to tell you,
having a commander in chief with that attitude then to
somehow change it now and be believable is not a
lot of credibility.

Speaker 10 (01:22:31):
And credibility confidence in the public. If you are dispatching
your troops to a mission, you know, solidarity of public opinion.
That seems to be one of those. It's the top
of your checklist if you're going to be dispatching Americans
into such uncertainty. All of the previous presidents who might

(01:22:52):
have considered doing something about Iran, President Trump has mentioned
them quite often. Do you not suspect that every single
one of them was warned that the Straits of Hormuz
would be closed?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Yeah, it seems pretty and we.

Speaker 10 (01:23:08):
See we seem to be a couple of months before
this started, we decommissioned a bunch of minesweepers, uh that
that had been stationed out in that area. So there
are good reasons to doubt that, you know, the planning
was there an over overly confident And we won't worry
about the Straits of Hormuz because our domestic production, you know,

(01:23:30):
is leading the world.

Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
That is true.

Speaker 10 (01:23:33):
That is a fact. Another sad fact is the fact
that petroleum is priced on a global basis, isn't it.
And if you're an American lifting if you're an American
company lifting oil in the United States. What do you
want to sell your oil at what?

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
At what price?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
As much as possible, all day, every.

Speaker 12 (01:23:50):
Day, every day.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:23:52):
And we all know what happens with the price of oil.
What is the lesson? It goes up like a rocket
and the price will come down like a feather. And
we are seeing now you know it's not just gasoline prices.
Everything that you buy practically has been brought to you
or brought to a shop near you by a truck
burning diesel fuel. Take a look at the diesel prices

(01:24:15):
next time you tank up. It's about a dollar and
a half above the price of gasoline right now. If
you're a farmer wanting to plant fertilizers anywhere in that
part of the world, we're going to have probably hunger
and possibly famine issues that result from this as well.
The Straits of Hormuz, when I look at the history

(01:24:35):
of the region, is probably one of the leading reasons
why any president before Trump who even looked at a
plan to strike you wron Sigmo, because we learned those
painful lessons in seventy three and seventy four. When the
embargo hit, they knew that we're going to be vulnerable
to terrible shocks. So if they knew the straits of

(01:24:58):
Hormus could be easy the closed, which Iran has demonstrated
very successfully, And why do we not have a plan
for that? You know, Iran is about twice the size
of texts.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
That's big, I mean big, that's big.

Speaker 10 (01:25:16):
Can you imagine trying to take military control of a
piece of property that big?

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
It's fine an undertaking what it works. We're short on time,
and it may be impossible to answer this. And uh,
I mean, we want these men and women to come
home safe. We want this conflict ended, we want it
to be a success. So at this point, here's the question.
What is a successful end to this engagement for the
United States and the world for that matter, And most
of all, of course we worry about us, but it's

(01:25:43):
all interconnected.

Speaker 10 (01:25:45):
Well, Wednesday, when I listened to the President's remarks, I
was hoping that he would offer us one of those
brilliant Donald Trump pivots. And I've got a new idea
on on you know, what we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
To do.

Speaker 10 (01:26:02):
NATO, which behind the scenes, is of course actually now
working to try to you know, put an escort program together,
maybe to reopen the straits, perhaps with Russia, but I
would guess with China right now that you know, one
of the biggest customers of Iran. I was hoping for
a Trump pivot, yep, and I think that's what he's
going to have to do. Whether it can be creative

(01:26:26):
and invoke you know, a political settlement and avoid the
dispatch of troops. That would be at this point what
I would call a win if he can get the
straits of Horrormus reopened and perhaps some conversations about putting
that fissile material under observation and quarantine until something called

(01:26:48):
a cease fire, and perhaps you know, a new relationship
with Iran can be created. It's time for a Trump pivot.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (01:26:56):
That's where I'm putting my hopes. At this point. November
will be upon us very shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:27:03):
Politicians are, they're doing the calculus between now and then
as well. People will be studying both the White House
and what Congress does, looking at a nice big, you know,
defense package in front of it right now as well.
Not what I would call ideal timing, but let us
hold that thought for the safe return of all the

(01:27:26):
people who've you been sent there over the last month
or so and a brilliant pivot. And perhaps that will
qualify President Trump for that Nobel prize that he seems
to have been so interested in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Let's hope.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
So we'll leave it there. It's always good to talk
to you. I hope things are good with the family.
Doctor Donna Schleheck former had a political science and our
professor Maria Wright State University. She is a Cincinnati kid.
Thank you for doing what you do and making time
for us. We'll catch up again.

Speaker 10 (01:27:52):
So thanks night, good night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
It's good to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
A quick break, actually, we get your five thirty news
reports us straight away. More Sterling all before Chick steps in.
Red's Baseball down the line as well. Seven hundred WLW
the distance Brenderman and Jones on baseball, Chick Ludwig, get
you ready with the inside pitch. Reds and Rangers from Arlington, Texas.
Rech look to make it back to back wins over
those Rangers and take a series win their first a

(01:28:18):
road trip of the season too. Russ Jackson hanging out
with me, got a I think Brady's got news again
in about nineteen minutes or so. And yeah, so look
the final four is going on, Indianapolis, it's happening. And
you got that going on, and you got the Reds
on the road, you got e f C. Cincinnati on
the road. You think about people traveling. I was talking
to Russ off the air about this, and when Mike

(01:28:40):
wall On earlier talking about well, you know the Orion
capsule spacecraft that's up this isinging around the moon and
then coming back home again. And I started thinking then
about like coming back, going back to the moon is
we hope to do in a short period of time,
sooner than later? And I think, okay, well, man, you know,
how can you go someplace and not really soak up

(01:29:02):
all the good stuff all the things that are like
worth checking out someplace when you're traveling or whatever. Right,
And Michael Collins is a name that not necessarily everyone knows.
They think Neil Armstrong, buzz Aldrin, Apollo eleven, touching down
on the Moon, hitting golf balls, playing in the sand,
and so on. Michael Collins never got to leave that

(01:29:23):
skat capsule until he got back home again. So he
went all the way to the moon and never went
out to see anything, which is weird as hell to me.
And I'm wondering, where have you gone? Because I've talked
to a lot of music makers, touring rock bands, artists, etc.
Over the years, and regularly what they'll tell me, and
you think, Okay, well, you're a rock star, you're traveling

(01:29:44):
the world, you're playing Heritage Bank Center, River Bend, and
you're maybe in Indianapolis and then on the road and
then around the world, and you talk to him and
go what's your favorite place? And they go, well, finally,
when I get a chance to vacation, we do this
or that. We don't see anything but hotel rooms and
tour buses and airplanes and backstage and concert venues, and
then it's on to the next place. And I'm wondering,

(01:30:07):
because I guess I've fallen into that situation where I've
worked and had to go places and have meetings and
whatever else events that I've been a part of in
some fashion, and then didn't really get to go anywhere
or do anything in the region where I was visiting.
Russ Jackson lived in Seattle for a while. He tells

(01:30:29):
me regularly, people like live in that, and I've been
up there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
I love Seattle. But he says a lot of people
don't go to the Space Needle when they're in and
around Seattle. They've either been there, done that, or it's
just it's a tourist thing. And start thinking about that.
A lot of people look at Cincinnati, USA tourist destination
museum Center. You know, you got the Newport Aquarium, you
got the Underground Railroad Freedom Center. I mean, there's there's

(01:30:54):
a lot of different the King's Island, et cetera. I'm
wondering whither where you've gone for work or of some
sort of business whatever, and you never got to enjoy
where you were or didn't get a chance to see it.
When I worked and lived in Vegas for a while,
I would talk to people, and it's funny, they go,
so you're at the strip like all the time, playing
and getting hammered and partying. Like, no, it's just like

(01:31:17):
living here. You know, that may be the place to
go to entertain. I was at the strip more when
I had work, and then when also I had people
visiting that then of course wanted to do the obligatory
you know, strip stuff, which sounds weird out of context
now that I say it. So I'm just wondering five
point three seven four nine seven, eight hundred, the big one,

(01:31:38):
pick up the phone, give it the finger?

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Where have you gone? What have you done and missed
out on?

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Because I mean you talk to people here and they go,
when's the last time you went to a museum the
museum center here? Take the kids or whatever, well when
they were in school? Haven't gone since? Or haven't done this?
Haven't done that? One of those type of like odd things.
And when I first was going to Vegas, I was like,
I find it hard to believe. No, But then you're
living and you're in the every day, you don't necessarily

(01:32:04):
get a chance to do that. I would imagine that's
pretty common for a lot of people. So either where
have you gone?

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Either?

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
And I guess if you live in a destination city
or destination location of some sort that might be the case.
There are probably some people who live near Dollywood who
never go there right there. I know people in New
York and I've gone there for work and to play
and people who live there and I go. So how
often do you get to go to the museums you're
living in like paradise? This is tremendous. What about you know,

(01:32:31):
Elis Island and not the place in Vegas, but in
New York and or you know what about you know,
going to the Statue of Liberty and they'll goh, I
haven't done that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
I never do. That's a tourist thing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
Hell with that?

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Uh and you hear that regularly. Five point three seven
four ninety seven thousand, eight hundred, the big one. You
can also click on that microphone on the iHeartRadio app
if you're streaming there, and leave a message there. I'm
also on x or what used to be called Twitter
at Sterling Radio. I think the Michael Collins situation as
an astronaut who went to the moon but didn't get

(01:33:05):
a chance to walk on it as the extreme. I mean,
you know, but that still resonates with me. How do
you go to the moon and not get to go
out because you're an astronaut and you're working and you're
on the job. I suppose that's one of those type
of situations. I have friends in southern California and a
lot of times you think, oh, surfing and you know,
the beach, and unless they live like near the beach,

(01:33:30):
they never go to the beach. So, I mean, it's
a very weird scenario. Three seven four nine, seven, eight
hundred the Big One to Anderson with Travis, then Stanley
and room for you on this Saturday, Sterling, Travis, what
do you know? Where have you either gone and not
done the tourist stuff or stuff that you think is
obvious or did not get a chance to play when
you wanted to.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
No, No, I just got back from Jamaica midnight last night.

Speaker 12 (01:33:54):
Oh how was that eight day, seven nights of pure enjoyment?

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
Nice? So you did the beach and the whole thing, Yes, playing.

Speaker 12 (01:34:03):
With dolphins and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Enjoyed it good. So that's all you have. I have
no regrets, no regrets.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
So have you been anywhere and then not done the
stuff that you wanted to or like stuff that in
that situation like we just talked about.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
Or No, only time I got regret is when I
was in the military and I couldn't play when I
was in other countries.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Oh yeah, that would be tough.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Now, So when you say that, like, so you would
be stuck doing the work, but you couldn't leave you know, facility,
the base or whatever to go just enjoy the sites.
Even when you were on leave, they wouldn't let you.

Speaker 5 (01:34:36):
Well, because most of the time I was wearing a uniform.

Speaker 7 (01:34:39):
We weren't there on leave.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
I see. So yeah, yeah, you'd be a target or
you were actually working on the job.

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Yeah, that yeah, totally makes sense. Well, I'm glad you
got to go to Jamaica. I'm glad it was a
good time. I'm honestly a little bit jealous. But our
our weather's been good here, but not necessarily Jamaica good.
The food's good too.

Speaker 15 (01:34:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Stanley, you're with Sterling on the beg one. Appreciate you
holding man, what's going on?

Speaker 16 (01:35:00):
Hey, showing and think and listening to your conversation with
the doctor. Yes, gave me kind of an idea. I
wonder if we could send those unmanned hovercraft into that
island where their big refinery is and go after defense

(01:35:20):
and see where they are, and then go in there
and kind of wipe some of that out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Yeah, that might be.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
I know they were trying to maintain the infrastructure and
just sort of secure it. But they've talked about taking
the island and then just handling basically the spicott for
the oil.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
But you may be right, that may be a way
to do it to hopefully keep it.

Speaker 16 (01:35:39):
I got one more question for you, Okay, how come
we can't just identify what satellites or given keep an
Iraq up to date with their info and just obliterate them.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
That's a solid question, and I think it would depend
done if they're getting information from Russia, which has been
talked about, and then the other side of it, and
I'm not sure how it works. There are apparently treaties
are some rules is to not destroying satellites out there
for the fallout that would come for a whole lot
of ways. But that is certainly a place where I

(01:36:19):
think our military, I mean, they had like their own
little baby shuttle that was up in the air for
over a year. So there's a lot of I think
military activity that's going on out there that we don't
know about in space in some fashion, lower orbit or otherwise.
What you're mentioning, I think clearly is one of those thoughts.
And we can destroy infrastructure on the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Space is no different. Yeah, So I think that's how
you have to deal with that, Stanley.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
I appreciate the comment, thank you, But I'm not a
scientist and I'm not necessarily a war strategist or anything
along those lines. I just hope and pray that these
people get home safely. They find that airmen on the
ground at them where they need to be safe and sound,
so it doesn't end up as a fatality or a
situation where they're held captive and used as a bargaining chip,

(01:37:09):
or the same way. I remember being a little kid
during the Iran hostage crisis and all of that was
going on every day. You know, at school, we had
one class where there was a TV and they would
they would talk about it a little bit, and then
we would come home or I would anyway, and then
after school try to do whatever work I had to do,

(01:37:30):
and then I would watch you know, the ABC Evening
News and then Nightline. When Nightline effectively started, it was
a regular program that was updating talking about the crisis
in Iran at the time as they had those hostages,
and then it just stayed on and has been forever
in a day since. That was my introduction, basically, I
think probably an interest to hard news and what's going

(01:37:51):
on in the world, seeing that on a regular basis
with those families and what they went through with those
hostages being held basically used as bargaining chips and ploys
and propaganda on TV, and that's exactly what Iron wants.
So I'm hoping that that's not exactly a situation that
we get into again ever, let alone with this particular

(01:38:12):
involvement with Iran. So there'll be updates throughout the evening
and as obviously is always top and bottom of the hour,
and when it happens, we break in and let you
know what's going on straight away. You got chick aloud wee.
He'll get you ready for the Reds. They got the
Texas Rangers. They're getting it on this afternoon or early
evening anyway. I'll quickly give you the starting lineup just

(01:38:32):
because I can. TJ Friedel, Matt McClain, La Da, La Cruz,
and South Stewart the first four there sal back in
the clean up spot you A. Haaneo Suarez is hitting fifth,
He'll be at third, Nathaniel Lowe's the DH hitting sixth,
Spencer Steers and leftfield hitting seventh, and Will Benson's in
right field eighth. Jose Travigno is going to catch today
after Stevenson went deep yesterday and help those Reds there

(01:38:56):
with that win. Travigno will catch, receive Louder. Kumar Rocker
is on the hill for the Rangers. Chick will get
you ready for it, covers you with the inside pitch
and extra innings. So stick around. Tommy and Chris Welsh,
I believe have the play by play. If not, it'll
be the Cowboy. I think Cowboy might have been doing TV.
I'm not quite sure Cave is TV. Yeah, So we

(01:39:19):
got Chris and Tommy throw with the call straight away,
and I'll be back again tomorrow after Ken brew short show,
before the Reds in the rubber game of that three
game series, before they bounce out of Arlington and onto
the next one and back home next weekend News straight away,
good calls today, Mike Wall, Kurt Rber, Donna Schleheck, a
professor Emerita from Wright State, talking Iran, Kevin Carr on

(01:39:43):
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