June 7, 2024 • 53 mins
Sandra introduces you to Carol Morgan and Nicole Clark, and the unique methods they use to communicate with their children Mikey & Emberly in the Afterlife.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. It is
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a rainy day here. I've got a cup of green
tea by my side. I'm snuggled under a blanket, and
I am reminded about the love and the inspiration from
the afterlife that surrounds me and surrounds you. Today, I
want to introduce you to two incredible mothers who have
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different ways of communicating with their children. First, here's a
mom that uses a pendulum to communicate with her son, Mikey.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
My name is Carol Morgan and I'm a regular mom.
I was brought up in Saint Paul, Minnesota, United States,
and I was raised very strict Catholic. That was really
all I knew in regards to anything spiritual was through
a very strict Catholic church that I belonged to with
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my family.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
F I'm a physical therapist.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I've worked for thirty seven years in a hospital, rehab
setting love helping people, and it's been a very rewarding
profession for me. So my background is actually being raised
Catholic and science with what my profession is, which makes
this even more while what made it crazy for me
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when this all started to happen. I got married and
I have two beautiful sons. My oldest son is Mikey
and my youngest son is Joey, and we had just
a wonderful relationship with our children. And Mikey, he was
a very good athlete and he loved music and the
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messages that music would give. His love for snowboarding, which
he took up in his high school years, brought him
out to Colorado State University in Fort Collins for college.
He was in the business school there and during his
years of school there, he became involved at a very
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popular restaurant bar club where the college students would go,
and he asked the owner, can I please try to
be the DJ and play some of the songs? He
worked in the kitchen, he worked in different places of
the restaurant, and they let him be a DJ one
night and he ended up progressing to being one of
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the most favorite DJs out there. He was known for
the songs that he played. His favorite song was Love
Generation by Bob Sinclair and it was about peace, love
and unity and look to the rainbows and you will
see the sun will shine to eternity, and it had
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such huge messages. It was like he was giving spiritual
messages in a accepting way to his classmates and college students
out there in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
In the beginning of his.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Junior year, he was on a mountain trip with some
of his friends and they were up in Pewter Valley
in the Rockies. There was a fluke accident where their
jeep that they were in. They were on a trail
going about fifteen miles an hour, hit a boulder a
little bit on one side and it caused.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
The vehicle to roll.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Mikey was ejected from that vehicle and he was killed. Instantly,
the policeman, paramedic, and minister came to our door to
tell us that Mikey was killed in an accident.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I think, as apparent, it is.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
The most gut wrenching, painful thing that can ever happen.
My heart ached horribly. I didn't think I could survive
without him. Joey, his younger brother, too, was so so devastated.
It was always him and Mikey with everything. But what
was really important at this time, I think that is
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key to mike communication ability was that we were all forgiving.
Mikey was a passenger, his good friend was the driver.
Even with the wrong information that was given to us initially,
we immediately forgave those kids and never blamed anybody for
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the accident that had him transition, and also never blaming God.
I think, you know, sometimes people want to blame somebody
when a tragedy happens. We did none of that. We
were all forgiving, and I think that is key for connecting,
because you don't hang on to that negative energy of
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holding blame for.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Something that has happened to someone else.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Immediately after Mikey's accident, signs began to happen.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I had a little bit of an introduction to this
when a good friend mine from high school had pass earlier,
where I truly believe things would happen to me where
I felt like it was her. Of course, in the
Catholic Church, I didn't hear too much about this type
of a thing. But it started right away, and it
started with music, and I would ask Mikey questions. I
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would be crying out loud, hollering to the sky as
I'm driving or going somewhere, and literally the next song
that played on the radio was like he was talking
to me, and I thought, this is bizarre. I can't
believe it, but I think he's trying to talk to me.
And dreams that were so real. I could hold him
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and he would say, Mom, I'm still here. I'm not
really gone. And then I get so excited and wake
up and I would just break down in tears because
I felt like I had him. But then he vanished,
and I wanted it to come back. I wanted the
dream to come back. Again to journal. I had a
good friend who said, Carol, things are going to happen
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to you, and Mikey's going to let you know he's okay,
and you should write everything down.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
And so I did.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I started a journal things and write down the songs
I heard, and the dreams that I had, the dreams
that Mikey's dad had, his brother, his friends. People would
email me things. I kept everything. I documented everything. I
had notebooks and notebooks and notebooks, and people would say me, oh,
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that's a coincidence. It's your grief.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
You know, you got to get over this. He's gone
and this and that.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I said no, I said, if I have eight notebooks
of stuff, you can't tell me that what's happening is
a coincidence.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
I know it's my son.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
But through my journaling, I began to realize that there
was more to this. I went to a conference in Scottsdale, Arizona.
I was there and I was waiting for the conference
to start, and that's when I actually came across fro ROBERTA.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Grimes.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
But what happened was is I belonged to Compassionate Friends,
which is a grief group for parents who had lost children.
I went there and Mitch Carmedy, who now I believe
he's one of their national speakers. He would talk about
whispers of love and signs from your loved ones, and
then he would ask for anybody who would like to
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volunteer to talk about their signs.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, of course, I'm jumping.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Up and down in the room and everything and saying, oh,
I've got something to say. I've got something to say,
And so I would get up and tell some of
my signs that I felt was truly Mikey trying to
communicate with me.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Well, he wanted to publish one of those.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Signs in their quarterly magazine, so I said sure. So
when I went to pick up the magazine, he didn't
live too far from me. Right before I got there,
he got a knee from Sally Baldwin, who was a
spiritual medium from Florida who was recruiting for moms all
over the United States for in all expenses paid retreat
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with her to see if mothers could communicate with their children,
if that would soften their grief. A very generous woman
gave her a large sum of money to try to
see if this would be helpful. So she recruited. She had,
I know, like two hundred and fifty inquiries. She took
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sixty five applicants and picked seven moms in the United States,
and I was one of the seven that she picked.
When I went out there to Sun Valley, Idaho, it
was a beautiful resort. She talked to all of us,
and I was very fearful because I thought this was
against my religion. Even before I went, I talked with
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Sister Joan, who was a relative of mine, to see
what she thought if this was okay for me to do,
and she said, you have to go. This is happening
to you for a reason. You need to go to
this and there's nothing wrong with medium. She says, I've
even seen John Edwards. So I thought, well, if a
Catholic nun went to see John Edwards, I can do
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this too.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
So I went to this retreat. Sally Baldman.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
When she had me alone, she told me, she said, Carol,
Mikey brought you here.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
He bothered me and pestered me to pick you.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
She said, you have to understand that the fact that
you were all forgiving.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
She said that you.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Never blamed anybody, and you have this connection with Mikey.
She says, you have the ability to communicate with him,
and I'm going to show you how. And I looked
at her and I said, you are crazy. You are
out of your mind. There is no way I can
communicate with my son. I said, I know the signs
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are real, but I don't think that's possible. And she says,
you will see. By the time you leave this weekend,
I will show you. You will be able to communicate
with Mikey. And I thought she was crazy. And I
think what it was for me was seeing was believing.
So she showed me how to use a pendulum, and
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I thought that was kind of voodoo ish or whatever.
And I didn't know what to think about that. But
there were times when I thought I heard him in
my head, but I thought it was my imagination. I
felt that it must be my grief. I must be
just thinking I'm hearing him, and so that's what it is.
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But I actually really was hearing him some telepathically.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
So with the pendulum, though.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I could see it move, it moved immediately and very
very procisely. She told me that Mikey was of high
energy and this was going to work for me. She says,
you have this connection. It was crazy for me to
watch this thing more around. She had given me a
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little letter disc which looks like kind of a wheel,
and Mikey would spell things by how he moved the
pendulum over the disk and I was fascinated by it.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
And the first word he spelled out to me was love.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I know you're on the edge of your seat, but
we do need to take a quick break and then
we'll be back to hear more of Carol Morgan's story.
It is so interesting. I've never heard a story quite
like this, and it opens up a whole new realm
of what's possible communicating with loved ones in the afterlife.
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Sander Champlain. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
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Sandra Champlain. You're hearing the story of Carol Morgan and
how she communicates with her son using a pendulum. And
during the break, I had to go to Amazon and look,
and yes, they do sell the letter wheels with the pendulum.
Amazon has everything, So let's continue with the amazing story
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from Carol.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
There were times when I thought I heard him in
my head, but I thought it was my imagination. I
felt that it must be my grief. I must be
just thinking I'm hearing him and soul, that's what it is.
But I actually really was hearing him sung telepathically. So
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with the pendulum, though I could see it move, it
moved immediately and very very precisely. She told me that
Mikey was of high energy and this was going to
work for me. She says, you have this connection. It
was crazy for me to watch this thing more around.
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She had given me a little letter disc which looks
like kind of a wheel, and Mikey would spell things
by how he moved the pendulum over the disk, and
I was fascinated by it. And the first word he
spelled out to me was love. Then he would say
how much he loved me. I couldn't believe what was
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happening before my eyes. To this day, I feel it's
a miracle. It moved so precisely. Medium Sally has since transitioned.
My window of meeting her was just a couple of years.
Transitioned two years after I met her, and I promised her.
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I said, I am going to practice this every day,
and I did.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
For two years.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I practiced pendulum communication with Mikey every day, and then
from that I practiced telepathically with him.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
So I would be.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Driving to work. That seems to be the best time
where I was almost like an automatic pilot going to work,
and I would ask him questions out loud and listen
to what he would say to me telepathically, and then
I'd come home and ask him the same question and
have him confirm it with the pendulum. And I actually
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really improved my skill that way in my communication. When
I went to Scottsdale, Arizona, for that after Life conference,
and when I met Maberta Grimes.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
She asked me, you know what brought you here?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
And I said, well, I have this crazy story and
I don't know what to do with it.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
I said, I have this ability and I don't know
what to think.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
And she goes, really, she was very skeptical about it,
and she says, well.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And I said, well, I use a pendulum and she said, hum,
you know, she questioned it, and she said I'd like
to see you do it, and I said sure. So
she came up to my room and there were some
other moms there with me as well. I think I
surprised her with this. So from there she asked me
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if I would be on her after life forums, which
is afterlifeforums dot com.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
It's a place where people from all over the world.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Could ask Mikey questions and I would answer them, you know,
I would type out the answers on the forum from
what I heard from him. So I did that, and
it was scary for me because the questions I was
asked half a I didn't even really understand. I didn't
understand energy consciousness, or anything spiritual about after life stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I only thought heaven.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Was in the clouds and that God was a man,
and my whole perception of all of this changed significantly
with what Mikey was telling me, and so my answers
were truly Mikey. I had no idea if it was
right or wrong, but I typed out the answers and
I answered thousands and thousands of questions. I feel like
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since I've been doing it from there, I had people
tell me, you know, you need to write a book
about this and all the stuff that he tells you.
I didn't know how to write a book, and his
dad and Joey are like, to Mom, you gotta do this.
She got to write this book, and so Roberta helped me.
It's his voice, it's in first person. I did it
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with the pendulum communication also telepathically. The description in the
book about the afterlife, he goes into specifics about the
afterlife and where he resides. I literally did that pretty
much letter for letter, word for word, because I didn't
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want to make a mistake, and we went over it
a couple of times. So that particular chapter took me
a long time to do. But I wanted to be
sure it was accurate and truly of him. What I've
learned from him is that everything is energy. Absolutely everything
is energy. The simple way he describes things is you
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think of a TV set. Your TV set is in
one place. Okay, it's one place. Every time you change
the channel, which is changing the frequency, so you get
a different station, you see an experience. It's something different
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on the TV. He says, that is the simplest way
he can explain what all the infinite dimensions are that
exists in the afterlife. That it is literally frequencies and
the vibration of that dimension, and then that's what you
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will experience.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
And everything is energy.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
He talks about God, that God is love. God is
a unity of absolute pure love, which is infinite. God
is far beyond a man sitting in a chair telling
people what direction they're going. He says, there's no eternal damnation,
that we all have the ability to improve ourselves. The
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things that I learned through my Catholic upbringing was totally
different than what Mikey was telling me. So it was
a little scary for me as far as telling some
of my friends what I was hearing.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
I mean, some of them thought what I was doing.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
They said, I was talking to Satan, who was impersonating
himself as Mikey. And I said, well, if this is Satan,
then Satan has turned into a very loving, happy, wonderful person.
Because it's all about love and how we're supposed to
be kind to one another. And that's why we come
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here for spiritual growth, because the more positive and loving
we are, the higher we can increase our vibration. I mean,
I just have kept going with this. The message is
so important right now. I mean, with how the world
is today, to be positive and just kind in our
ways with everyday life things, how important it is for
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us on a spiritual level. It has helped me so
much to let people know that just to be good,
you know, just to try to be kind, and how
great the world would be if everybody was.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Just nice, that's all, how great it would be.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And Mikey talks about our intent of our actions is
what is so important. You know, sometimes we can make
a mistake and hurt somebody's feelings and we don't even
know it.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
So it's really about intent, he says.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
The higher our vibration, how we progress ourselves spiritually, the
more elaborate. Our reality is when we transition, and yes
we will see our loved ones again, and yes they
are very close. And I think for anybody who has
lost the loved one, anybody who's bereaved, they hear you.
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That's one of the things I really want to get
across today is talk to your loved ones. They hear you,
they come to events. Don't think for one minute that
those loving connections are gone, because they're not. They reach
out to us in simple ways, and signs can be
as simple as how they would maneuver a butterfly or
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a dragonfly.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Listen to music.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Mikey continues to use music. They can talk to you
through songs, and there's so many important messages in music.
And it's really important for us as grieving parents or
of a loved one in general, to not blame others
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and to forgive. I can't stress that enough either. I
think blame and lack of forgiving is a very negative emotion.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
It takes a.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Lot of energy with that and your bringing in a
lower vibration, and with that it's harder for your loved
ones to reach you.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
So I do think it's really important to try to
stay positive talk to your loved ones and listen. Don't
think it's your imagination. I believe we all have some
ability to have a connection, and it can be simple
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or more complex. It's our spiritual right. We are a
unity and those connections never end. And just because we're
in the physical right now on a life journey, doesn't
mean that has to stop. So you want to tap
into that very very important. So the book that I wrote,
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or that Mighty wrote, it's Flying High in Spirit and
it is on Amazon. It's paperback, audio and kindle version.
Of course, there's a snowboarder on there, because that was
his big thing. He had to have that on the cover.
He insisted on that. That's a very brief introduction of
my story. I'm on afterlifeforums dot com still, but I
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will not give up on Mikey's message. He is all
about love and kindness. He pushed the song Love Generation
the whole time he was being a DJ.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
That was his signature song.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Listen to the lyrics of that song by Bob Sinclair.
It's amazing what he was doing while he was here.
He was very well loved here. He was an outgoing
kid and he tried hard to get a very important
message across before he left the planet, and now I'm
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trying to continue to help him as well on this side.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Thank you and thank you Carol, and thank you to
Mikey two. When we get back from the break, you'll
hear very different words from Mom Nicole Clark. We'll be
right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
If you haven't yet heard that song Love Generation by
Bob Sinclair, you'll know why it was Mikey's favorite song. Next,
you'll hear from mom Nicole Clark. She left the Mormon
Church to find her own spirituality. She wrote a book
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called The Ten Minute Refresh for Moms, Less Stress, More Joy,
and then after the death of her daughter Emberley, she
wrote another book called Remember All That Is Conversations with
My Daughter after she died. Here's her story.
Speaker 10 (28:22):
I got pregnant with our sixth child. I had been
trying my whole life to have six children. That had
been my goal since I was eleven years old, and
I had had five for a long time, and we
had been trying for eight years after my fifth child
was born to have our sixth, and it was really hard.
I got pregnant three different times, had two miscarriages, and
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then I had an e topic pregnancy where I had
to have emergency surgery or I would have died. I
thought that that was a sign that like okay, that
child has now gone to heaven or wherever they go,
and that's my sign to just move on. I'll just
be happy with these five and I was content with that.
That's where I landed, and at that point, my then
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youngest was going off to the kindergarten. I've had several
dreams in my life that were so real, and then
they happened while I was getting ready to write my
first book. I don't think I was pregnant with them
really yet, but I kept having a recurring nightmare. And
I know when they're recur that that's probably going to
be something that happens, which I hate, but also it
prepares me. But I had this recurring nightmare that one
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of my children was going to drown and it was
going to be on my property and it was either
going to be in our pool or our pond, and
that it would ruin everything. It would be my husband's fault.
I would divorce him, my whole life would fall apart,
and it was so terrifying. I would wake up in
tears every single time. It was so powerful that so
many times I worked through it. I did this process
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called fear setting, Like if I'm having this recurring nightmare.
What can I do to prevent this from happening? What
can I control? What can I choose to do now
to be okay with if that does happen, to become
a victor instead of a victim, Like I went through
this whole process, and I did it in my first book,
like I told the whole story right. And then I
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was pregnant with Emberly while I was writing that, because
I would not let my husband dig land, dig a
pool or pond in our yard because he always wanted water.
He's like a fish and I hate water on the opposite.
But I did not want any of that on our
property until all of my children could swim across the
county pool and back and make it safely like that
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was my rule. So then my fifth child could do that,
and so we started digging, and as soon as we did,
of course, I got pregnant again and all the fears
came up again. Then I had that nightmare, and it
was just like, okay, what can I do to feel
at peace here? Because it's terrifying. Nobody wants to lose
a child, especially if it can be prevented. And then
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it happened during COVID of course where COVID made it
impossible to get what we needed. There was no fool
supplies available, there were no people that could come and
put a fence around it. And so I just lived
in constant fear her whole life. I was just in
constant fear. I had all these floaties and everything that
I could to try to prevent anything from happening. And
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emberlely she was born in twenty eighteen. Yeah, I'm trying
to get my dates all together. So anyway, Emberle was
wanted for so long, way before she was born, right,
I wanted six children, so i'd finally come to a
point where I was like, I'm not going to have
any more kids, and then I did got pregnant with her,
and it was the best thing that happens. And also
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I was just terrified because we were in the process
of putting things in our yard, and I was just like,
oh my goodness. I just lived in fear her whole
life because of these premonitions, and not even just the
pool one, but her whole life. It was like, she's
not going to be here very long. Enjoy her while
you can. I'd be sitting here working on my laptop
and it'd be like, take a picture with her siblings,
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and you're going to want that when she's going on
all the time like her whole life.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I just was just like, why.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Are you why? Why?
Speaker 10 (32:05):
And I kept thinking, this is just my fear, It's
just my fear. But I never had that kind of
fear with any of my other children. I never had
these kind of premonitions. I never had all these constant thoughts.
And so I know now in hindsight that this was
just preparation for what was to come. Because in twenty twenty,
when everyone's home, and it was such a beautiful time
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in my life because all my kids were home together
and they were getting to enjoy Emberly, and my children
just adored her like crazy because she was just this little, tiny,
cute little person and she was so fun and her
personality is so bubbly and exciting, and she was just
the love of our lives. And then in August I
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was taking a couple of my children. We went shopping
that morning for school. They were getting ready to go
back to school. COVID was finally lifted enough that the
kids could go physically back to school. I was nervous,
are they going to be safe. And it was the
first time I'd taken all of them shopping in a
long time, and probably Emberly's whole life, like a long time.
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So she was so adorable at Walmart. She's looking around like, oh,
no kids like she had never seen other little kids like.
She had such a sheltered life. It was always just
at home and just with so much love. And she
loved going away. She loved going in the car. Her
favorite thing was going bye bye, And even if it's
just a drive to go drop her siblings off somewhere
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practice or something, she just loved it. And literally, the
week before she passed, I had taken her sister to
a basketball practice and it was pouring rain, like really bad,
and it was about twenty five minutes away. We've been
driving so much, and Emberly, once we dropped the sister off,
I realized that she just if I was dropping her
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sisters off, and then she was left alone in the car.
Going away with her was not a good idea anymore.
She just started crying like crazy the whole way home,
and I saying Twinkle Little Star, her favorite song, probably
a hundred times on the way home, trying to calm
her down. And it was like this, like I probably
shouldn't bring her anymore. And that was a regret that
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I've had because she died a week later because I
didn't take her in the car with me, because I
left her home when I brought her siblings to a
birthday party and I came home. My husband was home
and all the rest of our kids were home, but
I was gone. And I came up the driveway and
saw an ambulance coming toward me. And I knew immediately, Sandra,
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that that was the time I had to make a choice.
Was I going to listen to or follow the things
that I had prepared for. I knew right then that
Emberly was on her way to the hospital and that
she might not make it. I knew deep down that
she wasn't going to make it. Later that day, I
went into a helicopter.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
To a hospital.
Speaker 10 (34:52):
It was two hours away, and I got to be
the one in the helicopter, and it was one of
those sacred, horrible moments, says a mother, where you know
that you have to let them go. And I knew
that she needed my permission. Well, she wanted my permission,
She didn't need it, She just wanted me to tell
her that it was okay, and I had that moment
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in the helicopter, It's okay, we will be okay.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
I know that.
Speaker 10 (35:17):
Uh it's not ideal. None of us want you to leave.
We love you to pieces, but you have our permission,
on my permission, to go.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
And we found out.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
A few hours later that she was brain dead and
I had to wait in the hospital by myself, waiting
for the kids and my husband to come up. And
luckily they let the kids come in because usually with
COVID they wouldn't, but they let them all come in
and say goodbye, And it was one of the hardest
times of my life.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Had she found her way to the pool? Is that
what happened?
Speaker 10 (35:49):
I wasn't there, but yes, there's different stories from different
people in our family, and myand my husband and a
lot of the older kids were all outside playing basketball,
which is literally like ten feet away from our pool,
and somehow she made it out there. She had never
been able to open a door or do anything like.
We have no idea how she got out unless the
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door was left ajar. I don't really know, and it
doesn't really matter at this point. My husband was the
one to do CPR. He's a doctor and he was
performing CPR. It was my older son was the one
that found her in the pool, and that's a lot
of trauma for him, and my older daughter had to
call nine one one. It was just very traumatic for
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all of us, and for me to come in after
the fact and see the aftermath.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
It was just so hard.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Something a family should never go through. And accidents happen,
and your mind can replay it over and over and
over and over and over, and I know what guilt
is all about, but for you and your whole family
at the time, everybody was doing the best they could do.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
Right, And it's hard to sometimes go back there into
that place in my mind because I do still feel
guilty that we didn't have the pool fence up, even
though I know that could have happened anyway. There are
still kids that drown all the time with a fence there,
with family even sitting around the pool like it happens
like this. It doesn't take much time at all, and
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it's just a little thing of awareness, right And however,
at this point I have come to that place of
so much love and gratitude for this whole situation and
everything that's happened after it as a result that I
know it happened for me. I know it happened for
a reason, and it breaks my heart and I wish
it didn't have to happen. But I also know that
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it was a sole contract that Emberly and I made
that she wouldn't be here long so that we could
help a lot of people. And I also know now
that it's a very temporary thing that like you say,
we don't die, she's not dead. In fact, I feel
her more powerfully and have a stronger connection with her
now that she's gone physically than when I did when
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she was here, and it's been a tragedy that has
helped a lot of people, so un to that point
now where I can forgive myself, I know that I
did the best I could, even if it's something that
I feel like sometimes when he goes like you could
have done better, You could have put a fake fence
or something. You know, there's always what it could have
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should that it can eat you alive if you go there,
and it can cause you to just feel so much
depression and remorse, and that's not how Emberly wants me
to live the rest of my life like, bad things
happen to everyone, and I think that sometimes we take
for granted thinking that if we're just living the right
way and doing everything correctly, we're not going to suffer.
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And suffering is optional. You can choose to not suffer
through something. And I think it's also a part of
the human experience that we want to have. We want
to have pain, we want to have suffering because at
a soul level, I don't think we feel that that.
We just feel joy and happiness and love and peace
and light, and we created earth to come and experience
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the opposite.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
I can agree with Nicole that there are things that
happen here on earth and there's so much growth for
our souls. You've heard me speak before about soul contracts.
It can empower someone who loses a loved one to
believe that it was all planned beforehand. And on the
flip side, there's some really awful things that happen, and personally,
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I don't believe that we plan everything before we get here.
My recommendation is that which empowers you to live your
life you believe, all right, So let's head to the
break and we'll be back and you'll find out how
Nicole communicates with Emberley. You're listening to Shades of the
(39:50):
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Speaker 4 (41:13):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and you're hearing the story of Nicole Clark and her
daughter Emberley, who tragically died drowning in a pool when
she was just a toddler. I go on to ask
Nicole how the communication with Emberley began. Her book remember
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all that is. Conversations with my daughter after she died
is filled with really profound words of wisdom, and I
wanted to know how these profound words could come from
just a little girl. Here's what she says, Honestly, it
was about three weeks after she died. A friend of
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mine referred me to a psychic medium, who I was
still like the fence, like whether I believe.
Speaker 10 (42:01):
In that or not, but I did it. At that point,
when you lose somebody, you want so desperately to believe
that they're still around and to connect with them that
you'll do anything. So I went to a psychic medium
and she told me that we could help expand the
collective consciousness together through our book. And then she told
me to start writing and that I could channel Amberley.
(42:23):
And I was like, huh, like I've never done that,
and like you, I was kind of skeptical. Didn't believe
in that stuff at all because it was all woo
woo and out there, and I certainly didn't believe that
I could do it. I had been meditating at that
point in my life and tuning into my own higher
self or soul or whatever you want to call it,
and so I started meditating every morning, and then I
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did a process called automatic writing. I was like, I
don't know how to channel a book. I don't know
how to talk to people who have passed away. I
tried with my dad. I'd had the five fifty five,
like I seed signs, but I hadn't really had a
conversation received anything from him. So I started automatic writing.
I would do it right when I would wake up,
because I think it's the FATA brain wave that they
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tell you you're more susceptible to being able to receive
things and not think about it too much, not overthink.
So I would wake up, meditate, and while I was meditating,
I would just have my laptop open, usually with my
eyes closed, typing with my eyes. Those became a superpower,
and I would just start writing my feelings or what
I dreamed about or whatever came up that morning, and
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then I would ask her questions. I was shocked when
all of a sudden, she would take over my fingers
and just write the answers. I could feel it was
not me typing anymore, like it was just this process
of just it came through me. And every day I
became addicted to that it was like my healing more
than anything else for the grief of just this feeling
of every day. I could connect with her in this
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powerful way and ask her whatever I wanted and get answers,
and it's like.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Could you feel her? Could you feel her love?
Speaker 4 (43:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (43:59):
Yeah, I could feel as if she was me, like
taking over my body and writing through the keys. And
it was just such a beautiful way to grieve and
to feel and to heal.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Powerful. I've just spoken with a few parents lately, one
of them psychology professor doctor Matt McKay. He works that
way with his son as well, Jordan. He never bought
into any of this, but when you have a child
who passes, you go looking for answers. So he wrote
a book called Seeking Jordan, and he taught how he
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does it. You know, same thing, getting to that quiet
place in the mind. He lights a candle, it takes
several breaths, gets in the zone, has something that belonged
to his son. And even in the beginning, he says,
if you start out thinking it's you, it's no problem.
Just keep with it. And then the same thing, all
of a sudden, he felt like his son was the
one doing the writing, and some really profound things were said.
Speaker 10 (44:59):
To hear because a lot of people think, oh, I
couldn't do it, but you're finding more and more people,
and I believe everyone can do it, you know. I
think you believe that everyone has the capability to see
the signs and communicate and receive their own answers.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
What were some of the things that started coming through
that you just went, Oh, my gosh, because she was
with you such a short period of time, what kind
of things came through from her? Obviously that she loves you, mama, right, yeah,
and the bigger picture here.
Speaker 10 (45:33):
Oh my goodness, so many there's so much stuff in
this book. In the back of this there's a topical
guide that has literally just hundreds of topics, and for me,
the most profound ones have always been about pain, because
I think as humans we want to escape and run
from a numb from pain. We don't like to feel it,
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we don't want to feel it. We do anything we
can to not feel pain in any way, shape or
for I was actually looking at the book this morning.
I've been rereading it to prepare for this interview, and
I did the Rabbit Years for a whole bunch of pages,
and this morning I was reviewing them, and literally the
first five or six all had the same exact message,
like pain is for our gain, and if you don't mind,
(46:15):
I would like to read some of it. Yes, please,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (46:19):
So she talks.
Speaker 10 (46:20):
About pain over and over because I was obsessed with pain.
I was in so much pain both physically and mentally
and spiritually when she died, because I had left the
church a year before she died, but I still doubted
myself and still had a lot of fear there. So
a lot of our book topics are about my chronic pain,
both physical and my mental pain of leaving the church.
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She explains, it never underestimate the power of pain. It
is always for our gain and betterment. Humans are so
paranoid and anxious not to feel or allow pain that
they often make its effects so much worse than they
need to be. Pain, pressure, fear, and all the quote.
Negative emotions are very important. Pay attention to them because
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they always carry a lesson and a knowing with them
when they come. Learn to appreciate and welcome every feeling
as you would a lost orphan who needs food, water
and a hug. Love them, give them your time and attention,
and they will bring you comfort and joy that not
even comfort and joy can bring. I was like, WHOA,
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that seems profound. I'm trying to wrap my head around it.
Pain can bring more pleasure than comfort and joy. I
was very skeptical, like what are you talking about? And
she said, it's always a matter of perspective and how
you view things. The minute you change your view of
painful things into what can I learn from this and
how is this helping me, you will find much greater
appreciation for the opportunities. And then in another section she
(47:49):
talks about healing, and I think so many of us
are obsessed with healing and not being the way that
we are. We want to just feel whole again, right,
and we feel like something is missing. And for her,
she told me basically that healing is just a matter
of perspective. We're already all whole and perfect and complete.
It's just allowing all of the things that we feel.
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And heal is having human emotions or experiences and accepting
them with love, accepting them, not resisting them, because what
you resist persists. Right, We constantly don't want to feel pain,
but if you embrace the pain and treat it like
an orphan or a little kid, or your inner child,
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and give it the love and attention it needs. It
usually doesn't last as long as you think it will.
If an emotion that's felt expressed actually goes away much
faster than one that's repressed and not allowed to be seen.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Absolutely, I want to ask you, she speaks to you
not as a toddler, but as an old soul, a
very wise soul. Was that a little bit shocking because
these they're flowing through you, like, you know, you didn't
write but she's a baby.
Speaker 10 (49:06):
Yes, I really was concerned about that at the beginning.
I was like, am I just making this up? Am
I trying to make myself feel better? Because a lot
of people are like, you're just trying to make yourself
feel better? You're kind of delusional. And I was like,
these are not words that I could.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
Come up with.
Speaker 10 (49:22):
They're not concepts that I'm you know, consciously aware of. Right.
I doubted myself. I doubted my ability to channel for
a long time, and I certainly doubted that eighteen month
old toddler could write this stuff. But she tells me
that when you return to all that is, you become
backed with all that is. You have all the wisdom
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and knowledge, and there is no age, there is no time,
there is no space there, it's just all one. We're
all oneness, and every single one of the people who
passes from this life is there and can tap into
the all knowing And so every answer that came from
her was from this, this all knowing power, this all
knowing source of wherever we came from.
Speaker 6 (50:04):
All that is.
Speaker 10 (50:05):
That's what we call it all that is, because that's
our new term. I guess, for God, for the power
that created us, for source energy, or whatever you want
to say, that that's who we are.
Speaker 6 (50:16):
I love the.
Speaker 10 (50:17):
Way that she gave me the title of the book
because for me it was such a profound experience. We'd
written the whole book within the probably the first four
or five months after she died, over two hundred thousand
words in that short amount of time, and the download
of just trusting, just trusting that it is her. This
book will help a lot of people. And you are now,
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you always have been, and you always will be an
integral and necessary part of all that is. You and
everyone else makes the wholeness of all that is. You
cannot not be part of it, so it's more of
a remembering. And I want you to name the book,
remember all that is, and highlight the ember, and then
remind people that an ember and this is why we
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named her this I forgot to tell you that when
we were naming her. An ember is like a part
of a fire that seems separate. It seems like it's dead,
it seems like it's away from and doesn't have the power.
But it can be brought back to life with a
little air, with a little intention, with a little force,
and soon it can be back to the whole fire.
And that's exactly how we are as souls coming here
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on earth. We forget who we are on purpose. We
plan that and when we remember all that is, when
we remember who we are, we come back to that wholeness.
We come back to that fire within, and we light
that ember and we feel whole again. We feel complete
and we don't need anything else to fulfill us.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Thank you to Nicole Clark. No parent should ever have
to lose their child. All deaths are hard. Grief is
the most pain we will ever go through, but I
know our loved ones are with us. If you have
not yet heard Episode one, seventy seven, a psychology professor
named doctor Matt McKay never believed in this stuff either,
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and he channels his son and he gives instructions during
the episode how to do just that. For parents out there,
there's a wonderful organization called Helpingparents Heal dot Org. Loads
of free information. They have a YouTube channel that is
open to everyone. It's the only grief organization I know
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that believes in the afterlife and they have well over
sixteen thousand members and a twenty four hour hotline as well.
A reminder my home base is we Don't Die dot com,
where you can always attend our free Sunday gathering with
medium demonstration. Come a few minutes early and talk to me.
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I would love it. In closing, I know it's always
tough to hear these stories, but they fill us with
so much faith that our loved ones are still alive,
that they're still part of our lives, and we can
connect with them and definitely we will see them again.
I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of
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Paranormal podcast network.
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. It is
(01:00):
a rainy day here. I've got a cup of green
tea by my side. I'm snuggled under a blanket, and
I am reminded about the love and the inspiration from
the afterlife that surrounds me and surrounds you. Today, I
want to introduce you to two incredible mothers who have
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different ways of communicating with their children. First, here's a
mom that uses a pendulum to communicate with her son, Mikey.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
My name is Carol Morgan and I'm a regular mom.
I was brought up in Saint Paul, Minnesota, United States,
and I was raised very strict Catholic. That was really
all I knew in regards to anything spiritual was through
a very strict Catholic church that I belonged to with
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my family.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
F I'm a physical therapist.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I've worked for thirty seven years in a hospital, rehab
setting love helping people, and it's been a very rewarding
profession for me. So my background is actually being raised
Catholic and science with what my profession is, which makes
this even more while what made it crazy for me
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when this all started to happen. I got married and
I have two beautiful sons. My oldest son is Mikey
and my youngest son is Joey, and we had just
a wonderful relationship with our children. And Mikey, he was
a very good athlete and he loved music and the
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messages that music would give. His love for snowboarding, which
he took up in his high school years, brought him
out to Colorado State University in Fort Collins for college.
He was in the business school there and during his
years of school there, he became involved at a very
(03:00):
popular restaurant bar club where the college students would go,
and he asked the owner, can I please try to
be the DJ and play some of the songs? He
worked in the kitchen, he worked in different places of
the restaurant, and they let him be a DJ one
night and he ended up progressing to being one of
(03:23):
the most favorite DJs out there. He was known for
the songs that he played. His favorite song was Love
Generation by Bob Sinclair and it was about peace, love
and unity and look to the rainbows and you will
see the sun will shine to eternity, and it had
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such huge messages. It was like he was giving spiritual
messages in a accepting way to his classmates and college students
out there in Colorado.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
In the beginning of his.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Junior year, he was on a mountain trip with some
of his friends and they were up in Pewter Valley
in the Rockies. There was a fluke accident where their
jeep that they were in. They were on a trail
going about fifteen miles an hour, hit a boulder a
little bit on one side and it caused.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
The vehicle to roll.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Mikey was ejected from that vehicle and he was killed. Instantly,
the policeman, paramedic, and minister came to our door to
tell us that Mikey was killed in an accident.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I think, as apparent, it is.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
The most gut wrenching, painful thing that can ever happen.
My heart ached horribly. I didn't think I could survive
without him. Joey, his younger brother, too, was so so devastated.
It was always him and Mikey with everything. But what
was really important at this time, I think that is
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key to mike communication ability was that we were all forgiving.
Mikey was a passenger, his good friend was the driver.
Even with the wrong information that was given to us initially,
we immediately forgave those kids and never blamed anybody for
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the accident that had him transition, and also never blaming God.
I think, you know, sometimes people want to blame somebody
when a tragedy happens. We did none of that. We
were all forgiving, and I think that is key for connecting,
because you don't hang on to that negative energy of
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holding blame for.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Something that has happened to someone else.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Immediately after Mikey's accident, signs began to happen.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
I had a little bit of an introduction to this
when a good friend mine from high school had pass earlier,
where I truly believe things would happen to me where
I felt like it was her. Of course, in the
Catholic Church, I didn't hear too much about this type
of a thing. But it started right away, and it
started with music, and I would ask Mikey questions. I
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would be crying out loud, hollering to the sky as
I'm driving or going somewhere, and literally the next song
that played on the radio was like he was talking
to me, and I thought, this is bizarre. I can't
believe it, but I think he's trying to talk to me.
And dreams that were so real. I could hold him
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and he would say, Mom, I'm still here. I'm not
really gone. And then I get so excited and wake
up and I would just break down in tears because
I felt like I had him. But then he vanished,
and I wanted it to come back. I wanted the
dream to come back. Again to journal. I had a
good friend who said, Carol, things are going to happen
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to you, and Mikey's going to let you know he's okay,
and you should write everything down.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
And so I did.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I started a journal things and write down the songs
I heard, and the dreams that I had, the dreams
that Mikey's dad had, his brother, his friends. People would
email me things. I kept everything. I documented everything. I
had notebooks and notebooks and notebooks, and people would say me, oh,
(07:31):
that's a coincidence. It's your grief.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
You know, you got to get over this. He's gone
and this and that.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I said no, I said, if I have eight notebooks
of stuff, you can't tell me that what's happening is
a coincidence.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
I know it's my son.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
But through my journaling, I began to realize that there
was more to this. I went to a conference in Scottsdale, Arizona.
I was there and I was waiting for the conference
to start, and that's when I actually came across fro ROBERTA.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Grimes.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
But what happened was is I belonged to Compassionate Friends,
which is a grief group for parents who had lost children.
I went there and Mitch Carmedy, who now I believe
he's one of their national speakers. He would talk about
whispers of love and signs from your loved ones, and
then he would ask for anybody who would like to
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volunteer to talk about their signs.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Well, of course, I'm jumping.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Up and down in the room and everything and saying, oh,
I've got something to say. I've got something to say,
And so I would get up and tell some of
my signs that I felt was truly Mikey trying to
communicate with me.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Well, he wanted to publish one of those.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Signs in their quarterly magazine, so I said sure. So
when I went to pick up the magazine, he didn't
live too far from me. Right before I got there,
he got a knee from Sally Baldwin, who was a
spiritual medium from Florida who was recruiting for moms all
over the United States for in all expenses paid retreat
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with her to see if mothers could communicate with their children,
if that would soften their grief. A very generous woman
gave her a large sum of money to try to
see if this would be helpful. So she recruited. She had,
I know, like two hundred and fifty inquiries. She took
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sixty five applicants and picked seven moms in the United States,
and I was one of the seven that she picked.
When I went out there to Sun Valley, Idaho, it
was a beautiful resort. She talked to all of us,
and I was very fearful because I thought this was
against my religion. Even before I went, I talked with
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Sister Joan, who was a relative of mine, to see
what she thought if this was okay for me to do,
and she said, you have to go. This is happening
to you for a reason. You need to go to
this and there's nothing wrong with medium. She says, I've
even seen John Edwards. So I thought, well, if a
Catholic nun went to see John Edwards, I can do
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this too.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
So I went to this retreat. Sally Baldman.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
When she had me alone, she told me, she said, Carol,
Mikey brought you here.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
He bothered me and pestered me to pick you.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
She said, you have to understand that the fact that
you were all forgiving.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
She said that you.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Never blamed anybody, and you have this connection with Mikey.
She says, you have the ability to communicate with him,
and I'm going to show you how. And I looked
at her and I said, you are crazy. You are
out of your mind. There is no way I can
communicate with my son. I said, I know the signs
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are real, but I don't think that's possible. And she says,
you will see. By the time you leave this weekend,
I will show you. You will be able to communicate
with Mikey. And I thought she was crazy. And I
think what it was for me was seeing was believing.
So she showed me how to use a pendulum, and
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I thought that was kind of voodoo ish or whatever.
And I didn't know what to think about that. But
there were times when I thought I heard him in
my head, but I thought it was my imagination. I
felt that it must be my grief. I must be
just thinking I'm hearing him, and so that's what it is.
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But I actually really was hearing him some telepathically.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
So with the pendulum, though.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
I could see it move, it moved immediately and very
very procisely. She told me that Mikey was of high
energy and this was going to work for me. She says,
you have this connection. It was crazy for me to
watch this thing more around. She had given me a
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little letter disc which looks like kind of a wheel,
and Mikey would spell things by how he moved the
pendulum over the disk and I was fascinated by it.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
And the first word he spelled out to me was love.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I know you're on the edge of your seat, but
we do need to take a quick break and then
we'll be back to hear more of Carol Morgan's story.
It is so interesting. I've never heard a story quite
like this, and it opens up a whole new realm
of what's possible communicating with loved ones in the afterlife.
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Sandra Champlain. You're hearing the story of Carol Morgan and
how she communicates with her son using a pendulum. And
during the break, I had to go to Amazon and look,
and yes, they do sell the letter wheels with the pendulum.
Amazon has everything, So let's continue with the amazing story
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from Carol.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
There were times when I thought I heard him in
my head, but I thought it was my imagination. I
felt that it must be my grief. I must be
just thinking I'm hearing him and soul, that's what it is.
But I actually really was hearing him sung telepathically. So
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with the pendulum, though I could see it move, it
moved immediately and very very precisely. She told me that
Mikey was of high energy and this was going to
work for me. She says, you have this connection. It
was crazy for me to watch this thing more around.
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She had given me a little letter disc which looks
like kind of a wheel, and Mikey would spell things
by how he moved the pendulum over the disk, and
I was fascinated by it. And the first word he
spelled out to me was love. Then he would say
how much he loved me. I couldn't believe what was
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happening before my eyes. To this day, I feel it's
a miracle. It moved so precisely. Medium Sally has since transitioned.
My window of meeting her was just a couple of years.
Transitioned two years after I met her, and I promised her.
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I said, I am going to practice this every day,
and I did.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
For two years.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
I practiced pendulum communication with Mikey every day, and then
from that I practiced telepathically with him.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
So I would be.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Driving to work. That seems to be the best time
where I was almost like an automatic pilot going to work,
and I would ask him questions out loud and listen
to what he would say to me telepathically, and then
I'd come home and ask him the same question and
have him confirm it with the pendulum. And I actually
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really improved my skill that way in my communication. When
I went to Scottsdale, Arizona, for that after Life conference,
and when I met Maberta Grimes.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
She asked me, you know what brought you here?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
And I said, well, I have this crazy story and
I don't know what to do with it.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
I said, I have this ability and I don't know
what to think.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
And she goes, really, she was very skeptical about it,
and she says, well.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And I said, well, I use a pendulum and she said, hum,
you know, she questioned it, and she said I'd like
to see you do it, and I said sure. So
she came up to my room and there were some
other moms there with me as well. I think I
surprised her with this. So from there she asked me
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if I would be on her after life forums, which
is afterlifeforums dot com.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
It's a place where people from all over the world.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Could ask Mikey questions and I would answer them, you know,
I would type out the answers on the forum from
what I heard from him. So I did that, and
it was scary for me because the questions I was
asked half a I didn't even really understand. I didn't
understand energy consciousness, or anything spiritual about after life stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I only thought heaven.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Was in the clouds and that God was a man,
and my whole perception of all of this changed significantly
with what Mikey was telling me, and so my answers
were truly Mikey. I had no idea if it was
right or wrong, but I typed out the answers and
I answered thousands and thousands of questions. I feel like
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since I've been doing it from there, I had people
tell me, you know, you need to write a book
about this and all the stuff that he tells you.
I didn't know how to write a book, and his
dad and Joey are like, to Mom, you gotta do this.
She got to write this book, and so Roberta helped me.
It's his voice, it's in first person. I did it
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with the pendulum communication also telepathically. The description in the
book about the afterlife, he goes into specifics about the
afterlife and where he resides. I literally did that pretty
much letter for letter, word for word, because I didn't
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want to make a mistake, and we went over it
a couple of times. So that particular chapter took me
a long time to do. But I wanted to be
sure it was accurate and truly of him. What I've
learned from him is that everything is energy. Absolutely everything
is energy. The simple way he describes things is you
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think of a TV set. Your TV set is in
one place. Okay, it's one place. Every time you change
the channel, which is changing the frequency, so you get
a different station, you see an experience. It's something different
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on the TV. He says, that is the simplest way
he can explain what all the infinite dimensions are that
exists in the afterlife. That it is literally frequencies and
the vibration of that dimension, and then that's what you
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will experience.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
And everything is energy.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
He talks about God, that God is love. God is
a unity of absolute pure love, which is infinite. God
is far beyond a man sitting in a chair telling
people what direction they're going. He says, there's no eternal damnation,
that we all have the ability to improve ourselves. The
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things that I learned through my Catholic upbringing was totally
different than what Mikey was telling me. So it was
a little scary for me as far as telling some
of my friends what I was hearing.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
I mean, some of them thought what I was doing.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
They said, I was talking to Satan, who was impersonating
himself as Mikey. And I said, well, if this is Satan,
then Satan has turned into a very loving, happy, wonderful person.
Because it's all about love and how we're supposed to
be kind to one another. And that's why we come
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here for spiritual growth, because the more positive and loving
we are, the higher we can increase our vibration. I mean,
I just have kept going with this. The message is
so important right now. I mean, with how the world
is today, to be positive and just kind in our
ways with everyday life things, how important it is for
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us on a spiritual level. It has helped me so
much to let people know that just to be good,
you know, just to try to be kind, and how
great the world would be if everybody was.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Just nice, that's all, how great it would be.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
And Mikey talks about our intent of our actions is
what is so important. You know, sometimes we can make
a mistake and hurt somebody's feelings and we don't even
know it.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
So it's really about intent, he says.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
The higher our vibration, how we progress ourselves spiritually, the
more elaborate. Our reality is when we transition, and yes
we will see our loved ones again, and yes they
are very close. And I think for anybody who has
lost the loved one, anybody who's bereaved, they hear you.
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That's one of the things I really want to get
across today is talk to your loved ones. They hear you,
they come to events. Don't think for one minute that
those loving connections are gone, because they're not. They reach
out to us in simple ways, and signs can be
as simple as how they would maneuver a butterfly or
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a dragonfly.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Listen to music.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Mikey continues to use music. They can talk to you
through songs, and there's so many important messages in music.
And it's really important for us as grieving parents or
of a loved one in general, to not blame others
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and to forgive. I can't stress that enough either. I
think blame and lack of forgiving is a very negative emotion.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
It takes a.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Lot of energy with that and your bringing in a
lower vibration, and with that it's harder for your loved
ones to reach you.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
So I do think it's really important to try to
stay positive talk to your loved ones and listen. Don't
think it's your imagination. I believe we all have some
ability to have a connection, and it can be simple
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or more complex. It's our spiritual right. We are a
unity and those connections never end. And just because we're
in the physical right now on a life journey, doesn't
mean that has to stop. So you want to tap
into that very very important. So the book that I wrote,
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or that Mighty wrote, it's Flying High in Spirit and
it is on Amazon. It's paperback, audio and kindle version.
Of course, there's a snowboarder on there, because that was
his big thing. He had to have that on the cover.
He insisted on that. That's a very brief introduction of
my story. I'm on afterlifeforums dot com still, but I
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will not give up on Mikey's message. He is all
about love and kindness. He pushed the song Love Generation
the whole time he was being a DJ.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
That was his signature song.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Listen to the lyrics of that song by Bob Sinclair.
It's amazing what he was doing while he was here.
He was very well loved here. He was an outgoing
kid and he tried hard to get a very important
message across before he left the planet, and now I'm
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trying to continue to help him as well on this side.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
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Mikey two. When we get back from the break, you'll
hear very different words from Mom Nicole Clark. We'll be
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
If you haven't yet heard that song Love Generation by
Bob Sinclair, you'll know why it was Mikey's favorite song. Next,
you'll hear from mom Nicole Clark. She left the Mormon
Church to find her own spirituality. She wrote a book
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called The Ten Minute Refresh for Moms, Less Stress, More Joy,
and then after the death of her daughter Emberley, she
wrote another book called Remember All That Is Conversations with
My Daughter after she died. Here's her story.
Speaker 10 (28:22):
I got pregnant with our sixth child. I had been
trying my whole life to have six children. That had
been my goal since I was eleven years old, and
I had had five for a long time, and we
had been trying for eight years after my fifth child
was born to have our sixth, and it was really hard.
I got pregnant three different times, had two miscarriages, and
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then I had an e topic pregnancy where I had
to have emergency surgery or I would have died. I
thought that that was a sign that like okay, that
child has now gone to heaven or wherever they go,
and that's my sign to just move on. I'll just
be happy with these five and I was content with that.
That's where I landed, and at that point, my then
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youngest was going off to the kindergarten. I've had several
dreams in my life that were so real, and then
they happened while I was getting ready to write my
first book. I don't think I was pregnant with them
really yet, but I kept having a recurring nightmare. And
I know when they're recur that that's probably going to
be something that happens, which I hate, but also it
prepares me. But I had this recurring nightmare that one
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of my children was going to drown and it was
going to be on my property and it was either
going to be in our pool or our pond, and
that it would ruin everything. It would be my husband's fault.
I would divorce him, my whole life would fall apart,
and it was so terrifying. I would wake up in
tears every single time. It was so powerful that so
many times I worked through it. I did this process
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called fear setting, Like if I'm having this recurring nightmare.
What can I do to prevent this from happening? What
can I control? What can I choose to do now
to be okay with if that does happen, to become
a victor instead of a victim, Like I went through
this whole process, and I did it in my first book,
like I told the whole story right. And then I
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was pregnant with Emberly while I was writing that, because
I would not let my husband dig land, dig a
pool or pond in our yard because he always wanted water.
He's like a fish and I hate water on the opposite.
But I did not want any of that on our
property until all of my children could swim across the
county pool and back and make it safely like that
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was my rule. So then my fifth child could do that,
and so we started digging, and as soon as we did,
of course, I got pregnant again and all the fears
came up again. Then I had that nightmare, and it
was just like, okay, what can I do to feel
at peace here? Because it's terrifying. Nobody wants to lose
a child, especially if it can be prevented. And then
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it happened during COVID of course where COVID made it
impossible to get what we needed. There was no fool
supplies available, there were no people that could come and
put a fence around it. And so I just lived
in constant fear her whole life. I was just in
constant fear. I had all these floaties and everything that
I could to try to prevent anything from happening. And
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emberlely she was born in twenty eighteen. Yeah, I'm trying
to get my dates all together. So anyway, Emberle was
wanted for so long, way before she was born, right,
I wanted six children, so i'd finally come to a
point where I was like, I'm not going to have
any more kids, and then I did got pregnant with her,
and it was the best thing that happens. And also
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I was just terrified because we were in the process
of putting things in our yard, and I was just like,
oh my goodness. I just lived in fear her whole
life because of these premonitions, and not even just the
pool one, but her whole life. It was like, she's
not going to be here very long. Enjoy her while
you can. I'd be sitting here working on my laptop
and it'd be like, take a picture with her siblings,
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and you're going to want that when she's going on
all the time like her whole life.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I just was just like, why.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Are you why? Why?
Speaker 10 (32:05):
And I kept thinking, this is just my fear, It's
just my fear. But I never had that kind of
fear with any of my other children. I never had
these kind of premonitions. I never had all these constant thoughts.
And so I know now in hindsight that this was
just preparation for what was to come. Because in twenty twenty,
when everyone's home, and it was such a beautiful time
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in my life because all my kids were home together
and they were getting to enjoy Emberly, and my children
just adored her like crazy because she was just this little, tiny,
cute little person and she was so fun and her
personality is so bubbly and exciting, and she was just
the love of our lives. And then in August I
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was taking a couple of my children. We went shopping
that morning for school. They were getting ready to go
back to school. COVID was finally lifted enough that the
kids could go physically back to school. I was nervous,
are they going to be safe. And it was the
first time I'd taken all of them shopping in a
long time, and probably Emberly's whole life, like a long time.
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So she was so adorable at Walmart. She's looking around like, oh,
no kids like she had never seen other little kids like.
She had such a sheltered life. It was always just
at home and just with so much love. And she
loved going away. She loved going in the car. Her
favorite thing was going bye bye, And even if it's
just a drive to go drop her siblings off somewhere
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practice or something, she just loved it. And literally, the
week before she passed, I had taken her sister to
a basketball practice and it was pouring rain, like really bad,
and it was about twenty five minutes away. We've been
driving so much, and Emberly, once we dropped the sister off,
I realized that she just if I was dropping her
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sisters off, and then she was left alone in the car.
Going away with her was not a good idea anymore.
She just started crying like crazy the whole way home,
and I saying Twinkle Little Star, her favorite song, probably
a hundred times on the way home, trying to calm
her down. And it was like this, like I probably
shouldn't bring her anymore. And that was a regret that
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I've had because she died a week later because I
didn't take her in the car with me, because I
left her home when I brought her siblings to a
birthday party and I came home. My husband was home
and all the rest of our kids were home, but
I was gone. And I came up the driveway and
saw an ambulance coming toward me. And I knew immediately, Sandra,
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that that was the time I had to make a choice.
Was I going to listen to or follow the things
that I had prepared for. I knew right then that
Emberly was on her way to the hospital and that
she might not make it. I knew deep down that
she wasn't going to make it. Later that day, I
went into a helicopter.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
To a hospital.
Speaker 10 (34:52):
It was two hours away, and I got to be
the one in the helicopter, and it was one of
those sacred, horrible moments, says a mother, where you know
that you have to let them go. And I knew
that she needed my permission. Well, she wanted my permission,
She didn't need it, She just wanted me to tell
her that it was okay, and I had that moment
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in the helicopter, It's okay, we will be okay.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
I know that.
Speaker 10 (35:17):
Uh it's not ideal. None of us want you to leave.
We love you to pieces, but you have our permission,
on my permission, to go.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
And we found out.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
A few hours later that she was brain dead and
I had to wait in the hospital by myself, waiting
for the kids and my husband to come up. And
luckily they let the kids come in because usually with
COVID they wouldn't, but they let them all come in
and say goodbye, And it was one of the hardest
times of my life.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Had she found her way to the pool? Is that
what happened?
Speaker 10 (35:49):
I wasn't there, but yes, there's different stories from different
people in our family, and myand my husband and a
lot of the older kids were all outside playing basketball,
which is literally like ten feet away from our pool,
and somehow she made it out there. She had never
been able to open a door or do anything like.
We have no idea how she got out unless the
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door was left ajar. I don't really know, and it
doesn't really matter at this point. My husband was the
one to do CPR. He's a doctor and he was
performing CPR. It was my older son was the one
that found her in the pool, and that's a lot
of trauma for him, and my older daughter had to
call nine one one. It was just very traumatic for
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all of us, and for me to come in after
the fact and see the aftermath.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
It was just so hard.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Something a family should never go through. And accidents happen,
and your mind can replay it over and over and
over and over and over, and I know what guilt
is all about, but for you and your whole family
at the time, everybody was doing the best they could do.
Speaker 10 (36:58):
Right, And it's hard to sometimes go back there into
that place in my mind because I do still feel
guilty that we didn't have the pool fence up, even
though I know that could have happened anyway. There are
still kids that drown all the time with a fence there,
with family even sitting around the pool like it happens
like this. It doesn't take much time at all, and
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it's just a little thing of awareness, right And however,
at this point I have come to that place of
so much love and gratitude for this whole situation and
everything that's happened after it as a result that I
know it happened for me. I know it happened for
a reason, and it breaks my heart and I wish
it didn't have to happen. But I also know that
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it was a sole contract that Emberly and I made
that she wouldn't be here long so that we could
help a lot of people. And I also know now
that it's a very temporary thing that like you say,
we don't die, she's not dead. In fact, I feel
her more powerfully and have a stronger connection with her
now that she's gone physically than when I did when
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she was here, and it's been a tragedy that has
helped a lot of people, so un to that point
now where I can forgive myself, I know that I
did the best I could, even if it's something that
I feel like sometimes when he goes like you could
have done better, You could have put a fake fence
or something. You know, there's always what it could have
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should that it can eat you alive if you go there,
and it can cause you to just feel so much
depression and remorse, and that's not how Emberly wants me
to live the rest of my life like, bad things
happen to everyone, and I think that sometimes we take
for granted thinking that if we're just living the right
way and doing everything correctly, we're not going to suffer.
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And suffering is optional. You can choose to not suffer
through something. And I think it's also a part of
the human experience that we want to have. We want
to have pain, we want to have suffering because at
a soul level, I don't think we feel that that.
We just feel joy and happiness and love and peace
and light, and we created earth to come and experience
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the opposite.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
I can agree with Nicole that there are things that
happen here on earth and there's so much growth for
our souls. You've heard me speak before about soul contracts.
It can empower someone who loses a loved one to
believe that it was all planned beforehand. And on the
flip side, there's some really awful things that happen, and personally,
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I don't believe that we plan everything before we get here.
My recommendation is that which empowers you to live your
life you believe, all right, So let's head to the
break and we'll be back and you'll find out how
Nicole communicates with Emberley. You're listening to Shades of the
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Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
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Speaker 4 (41:13):
Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
and you're hearing the story of Nicole Clark and her
daughter Emberley, who tragically died drowning in a pool when
she was just a toddler. I go on to ask
Nicole how the communication with Emberley began. Her book remember
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all that is. Conversations with my daughter after she died
is filled with really profound words of wisdom, and I
wanted to know how these profound words could come from
just a little girl. Here's what she says, Honestly, it
was about three weeks after she died. A friend of
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mine referred me to a psychic medium, who I was
still like the fence, like whether I believe.
Speaker 10 (42:01):
In that or not, but I did it. At that point,
when you lose somebody, you want so desperately to believe
that they're still around and to connect with them that
you'll do anything. So I went to a psychic medium
and she told me that we could help expand the
collective consciousness together through our book. And then she told
me to start writing and that I could channel Amberley.
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And I was like, huh, like I've never done that,
and like you, I was kind of skeptical. Didn't believe
in that stuff at all because it was all woo
woo and out there, and I certainly didn't believe that
I could do it. I had been meditating at that
point in my life and tuning into my own higher
self or soul or whatever you want to call it,
and so I started meditating every morning, and then I
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did a process called automatic writing. I was like, I
don't know how to channel a book. I don't know
how to talk to people who have passed away. I
tried with my dad. I'd had the five fifty five,
like I seed signs, but I hadn't really had a
conversation received anything from him. So I started automatic writing.
I would do it right when I would wake up,
because I think it's the FATA brain wave that they
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tell you you're more susceptible to being able to receive
things and not think about it too much, not overthink.
So I would wake up, meditate, and while I was meditating,
I would just have my laptop open, usually with my
eyes closed, typing with my eyes. Those became a superpower,
and I would just start writing my feelings or what
I dreamed about or whatever came up that morning, and
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then I would ask her questions. I was shocked when
all of a sudden, she would take over my fingers
and just write the answers. I could feel it was
not me typing anymore, like it was just this process
of just it came through me. And every day I
became addicted to that it was like my healing more
than anything else for the grief of just this feeling
of every day. I could connect with her in this
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powerful way and ask her whatever I wanted and get answers,
and it's like.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Could you feel her? Could you feel her love?
Speaker 4 (43:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (43:59):
Yeah, I could feel as if she was me, like
taking over my body and writing through the keys. And
it was just such a beautiful way to grieve and
to feel and to heal.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Powerful. I've just spoken with a few parents lately, one
of them psychology professor doctor Matt McKay. He works that
way with his son as well, Jordan. He never bought
into any of this, but when you have a child
who passes, you go looking for answers. So he wrote
a book called Seeking Jordan, and he taught how he
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does it. You know, same thing, getting to that quiet
place in the mind. He lights a candle, it takes
several breaths, gets in the zone, has something that belonged
to his son. And even in the beginning, he says,
if you start out thinking it's you, it's no problem.
Just keep with it. And then the same thing, all
of a sudden, he felt like his son was the
one doing the writing, and some really profound things were said.
Speaker 10 (44:59):
To hear because a lot of people think, oh, I
couldn't do it, but you're finding more and more people,
and I believe everyone can do it, you know. I
think you believe that everyone has the capability to see
the signs and communicate and receive their own answers.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
What were some of the things that started coming through
that you just went, Oh, my gosh, because she was
with you such a short period of time, what kind
of things came through from her? Obviously that she loves you, mama, right, yeah,
and the bigger picture here.
Speaker 10 (45:33):
Oh my goodness, so many there's so much stuff in
this book. In the back of this there's a topical
guide that has literally just hundreds of topics, and for me,
the most profound ones have always been about pain, because
I think as humans we want to escape and run
from a numb from pain. We don't like to feel it,
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we don't want to feel it. We do anything we
can to not feel pain in any way, shape or
for I was actually looking at the book this morning.
I've been rereading it to prepare for this interview, and
I did the Rabbit Years for a whole bunch of pages,
and this morning I was reviewing them, and literally the
first five or six all had the same exact message,
like pain is for our gain, and if you don't mind,
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I would like to read some of it. Yes, please,
thank you.
Speaker 6 (46:19):
So she talks.
Speaker 10 (46:20):
About pain over and over because I was obsessed with pain.
I was in so much pain both physically and mentally
and spiritually when she died, because I had left the
church a year before she died, but I still doubted
myself and still had a lot of fear there. So
a lot of our book topics are about my chronic pain,
both physical and my mental pain of leaving the church.
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She explains, it never underestimate the power of pain. It
is always for our gain and betterment. Humans are so
paranoid and anxious not to feel or allow pain that
they often make its effects so much worse than they
need to be. Pain, pressure, fear, and all the quote.
Negative emotions are very important. Pay attention to them because
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they always carry a lesson and a knowing with them
when they come. Learn to appreciate and welcome every feeling
as you would a lost orphan who needs food, water
and a hug. Love them, give them your time and attention,
and they will bring you comfort and joy that not
even comfort and joy can bring. I was like, WHOA,
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that seems profound. I'm trying to wrap my head around it.
Pain can bring more pleasure than comfort and joy. I
was very skeptical, like what are you talking about? And
she said, it's always a matter of perspective and how
you view things. The minute you change your view of
painful things into what can I learn from this and
how is this helping me, you will find much greater
appreciation for the opportunities. And then in another section she
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talks about healing, and I think so many of us
are obsessed with healing and not being the way that
we are. We want to just feel whole again, right,
and we feel like something is missing. And for her,
she told me basically that healing is just a matter
of perspective. We're already all whole and perfect and complete.
It's just allowing all of the things that we feel.
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And heal is having human emotions or experiences and accepting
them with love, accepting them, not resisting them, because what
you resist persists. Right, We constantly don't want to feel pain,
but if you embrace the pain and treat it like
an orphan or a little kid, or your inner child,
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and give it the love and attention it needs. It
usually doesn't last as long as you think it will.
If an emotion that's felt expressed actually goes away much
faster than one that's repressed and not allowed to be seen.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Absolutely, I want to ask you, she speaks to you
not as a toddler, but as an old soul, a
very wise soul. Was that a little bit shocking because
these they're flowing through you, like, you know, you didn't
write but she's a baby.
Speaker 10 (49:06):
Yes, I really was concerned about that at the beginning.
I was like, am I just making this up? Am
I trying to make myself feel better? Because a lot
of people are like, you're just trying to make yourself
feel better? You're kind of delusional. And I was like,
these are not words that I could.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
Come up with.
Speaker 10 (49:22):
They're not concepts that I'm you know, consciously aware of. Right.
I doubted myself. I doubted my ability to channel for
a long time, and I certainly doubted that eighteen month
old toddler could write this stuff. But she tells me
that when you return to all that is, you become
backed with all that is. You have all the wisdom
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and knowledge, and there is no age, there is no time,
there is no space there, it's just all one. We're
all oneness, and every single one of the people who
passes from this life is there and can tap into
the all knowing And so every answer that came from
her was from this, this all knowing power, this all
knowing source of wherever we came from.
Speaker 6 (50:04):
All that is.
Speaker 10 (50:05):
That's what we call it all that is, because that's
our new term. I guess, for God, for the power
that created us, for source energy, or whatever you want
to say, that that's who we are.
Speaker 6 (50:16):
I love the.
Speaker 10 (50:17):
Way that she gave me the title of the book
because for me it was such a profound experience. We'd
written the whole book within the probably the first four
or five months after she died, over two hundred thousand
words in that short amount of time, and the download
of just trusting, just trusting that it is her. This
book will help a lot of people. And you are now,
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you always have been, and you always will be an
integral and necessary part of all that is. You and
everyone else makes the wholeness of all that is. You
cannot not be part of it, so it's more of
a remembering. And I want you to name the book,
remember all that is, and highlight the ember, and then
remind people that an ember and this is why we
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named her this I forgot to tell you that when
we were naming her. An ember is like a part
of a fire that seems separate. It seems like it's dead,
it seems like it's away from and doesn't have the power.
But it can be brought back to life with a
little air, with a little intention, with a little force,
and soon it can be back to the whole fire.
And that's exactly how we are as souls coming here
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on earth. We forget who we are on purpose. We
plan that and when we remember all that is, when
we remember who we are, we come back to that wholeness.
We come back to that fire within, and we light
that ember and we feel whole again. We feel complete
and we don't need anything else to fulfill us.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Thank you to Nicole Clark. No parent should ever have
to lose their child. All deaths are hard. Grief is
the most pain we will ever go through, but I
know our loved ones are with us. If you have
not yet heard Episode one, seventy seven, a psychology professor
named doctor Matt McKay never believed in this stuff either,
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and he channels his son and he gives instructions during
the episode how to do just that. For parents out there,
there's a wonderful organization called Helpingparents Heal dot Org. Loads
of free information. They have a YouTube channel that is
open to everyone. It's the only grief organization I know
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that believes in the afterlife and they have well over
sixteen thousand members and a twenty four hour hotline as well.
A reminder my home base is we Don't Die dot com,
where you can always attend our free Sunday gathering with
medium demonstration. Come a few minutes early and talk to me.
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I would love it. In closing, I know it's always
tough to hear these stories, but they fill us with
so much faith that our loved ones are still alive,
that they're still part of our lives, and we can
connect with them and definitely we will see them again.
I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you for listening to Shades of
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the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am
Paranormal podcast network.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
And if you like this episode of Shades of the
Afterlife Wait until you hear the next one. Thank you
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Sandra Champlain
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