Erotic Sculptures in Love Land & Clint's Couples Counseling

An erotic sculpture park in South Korea?! Dr. Jenn shares her latest crazy travels. Does Clint's first couples counseling experience with his wife go well? And, what is competitive nutting?

Episode Transcript

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So, how is the penis brownie? Doctor Jen? Do you say penis
brownie? Yeah? Or whatever?That little breaded dessert dish was, Yeah?
What was that? It was likea kind of like funnel cake mets
a crep, but in the shapeof a penis and one in the shape
of a vulva as well. Wouldn'tyou call that cake? Oh? Funny?

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That was so stupid, you know, even saying that, I went
that was dumb. Okay, canyou tell people what you're talking about?
So you sent me a video ofsome sex playground or something or art like
I don't know, sculpture, dongpark, I don't know, but it
was dog park. Well, Imean giants, statues of penises and bulvas

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and and people in very sexual likevery overt sexual position, naked, yeah,
baked one cat beast turning its headback while it's boning somebody. And
then you scooby doo. Maybe itwas well, and then you with the

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it was hilarious with the little handcrank deal where the little guy was getting
the girl from behind. But thefunniest part was the toward the end that
little bicycle, that stationary bicycle thatwas giving you the little flippers between Oh
my god, surprise the shit outof me. Okay, first of all,
let me tell people what we're talkingabout. So I just got back,
dude, So today is what Thursday, June twenty seventh. I got

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back two days ago from a weekin South Korea, which is awesome.
It was so interesting, so myfirst time in Asia, and as a
sociologist, I just it honestly oneof the most interesting cultural experiences I have
ever had. It was so cool. So four days in Soul and my
boyfriend had three different talks he wasgiving. So that's why we were there

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for a work trip. Led yourtrip for me though, And then we
went to j Ju Island, whichis an island just off the south of
southern part of South Korea, andit's known as like a honeymoon island and
a vacation island, especially for locals. It's kind of tropical and it has
beach areas and volcano you know,old bolcanoes that you can climb and and

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for some bizarre reason, so Koreanculture is much more conservative overall than our
culture, especially around like presentation ofyour body and like wearing skimpy things or
talking about sexual topics. But forwhatever reason, they have something called Loveland

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on Jaju Island and which is thispark sculpture park that you walk in.
It's actually a very pretty setting.We were surprised by how pretty the setting
is. And then you walk aroundand like every i don't know, fifteen
or twenty feet or so, there'sa very sexually explicit, large, you

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know, sculpture. Yeah, andoften in this like metallic color, so
metallic pink or blue or green.Yeah, like humping the guy that was
like half her size. Oh yeah. And then there's some like giant women
and a little man who's who's tryingto get away from them, and there

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was this oh my god, thiswas so fun. I didn't even realize
this. My boyfriend was filming andI didn't know. There was a line
of like very tall men of alldifferent shapes and sizes, and they have
a little valve over their penis likethese statues, and it was right outside
the bathrooms. You actually turn thevalve and water comes us. It's like
where you want to I had thatin the video. Yeah, no,

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it actually surprised me. My boyfriendtotally gets He's like, yeah, I
get that with a valve for water. I was like, didn't quite you
know, cross my mind, andthen so like the penis is spewing,
and then the thing you were talkingso what you were talking about. So
they had they had a little cafearea in the middle and you could buy
these little tasty treats. I'm tryingto think of what they're what you would

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call them, what they're like,like I said, yeah, like funnel
cake meeks kind of it tastes likeit kind of pancake like, but more
like crep like. But they weredelicious. They were so great and there
was like nothing even on them,so of course we had to get those
and take pictures. But what theyalso had was a bike that you get

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on. I don't know what Iwas thinking this was experience going to be,
but you start pedaling and the frontwheel has a whole bunch of basically
tongues on it and so and itwas angled in a way that it started
hitting my crotch a whole bunch offlippers. Genuinely surprised me. I don't

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know what I thought it would feellike. I don't think I thought i'd
feel that much. I totally felta lot. O. Yeah, I
know it was genuinely surprising and likefunny and maybe a little arousing. So
I could see that. I couldnot see it in the video. What
I mean, you could be around. I was like, that's okay,

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that's anyway. Not many people atthis park, so I hope the park
stays in business. But good forus because it was easy for me to
take like videos and pictures and forus to goof around and make out a
couple times. It was because youknow, it seems like the right thing
to do, so it was myway. He's such a good sport.

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I said that to him because we'recoming up. I think when we were
flying back, I said this tohim because we're coming up. We're just
a few weeks shy of our twoyear anniversary of in that long I know,
I know, And I said,I was like, who would have
Would you have ever imagined two yearsago before you met me that you would
be going to a tropical island inSouth Korea with your girlfriend and going to

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an erotic sculpture park. And he'slike, no, no, no,
no, I would not have.But if I'm him, I'd be playing
every vacation we go on around somesex park. Now, Oh, it
seems like it's the thing to doto make out and maybe more. Okay,
it's so we're going to do aworld tour. Oh my god,
that would be amazing. Well mademe feel good because at least I got

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to do a little bit of workon this trip by going to this park.
And so I created that whole video. I edited it that you saw
and I got it down to ninetyseconds music anyway, so you get a
good kind of vibe of it.So but anyway, I am grateful that
he is such a good spark ourtour guide did not want to So one
of the things that was super neaton this trip part of his gift given

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to him, you know, becausethere was three different people hosting him.
One of the people hosting gave usfour days of a driver and tour guide
personal tour guide, so a fullday like a nine to nine to five
in Soul the one day where wehad a private driver and then also a
tour guide, and she was amazing, And we dressed in like old time

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at time hire from like the thirteenthcentury and went to one of the palaces
from the thirteenth century imposed with photosin front, and it was so cool.
And then in Jju Island, weactually had a driver slash tour guide
for the two and a half daysthat we were touring around there, which
was incredible, Like that is anincredible way to see a country and not

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have to worry about driving yourself andlearning stuff. But he did not want
to take us to Loveland one becauseI think they're just uncomfortable and find it
embarrassing. But he said the lastcouple he took there, a couple from
France, like they only spent fiveor like ten minutes and they were disappointed
by it. And so I hadto tell him. I was like,

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no, I go, this isreally important. This is one of the
high and this is like a beautifulisland with lots of cool things to do.
I go, no, this isone of the top priorities that we
get to go to Loveland because itis connected to my work. I help
people with their sex lives, sothis is important for me to visit as
Park. And he's just like,oh, like that's all I got,
and then he did his awkward laughthat he did most of the time when

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we talked to him, and wedidn't know if he was understanding or not.
I'd use every minute of that.I'd be like, so, since
I have it here, here's mysituation. I'd like to know, so
that is most of my situation.Like that, but not in a culture
like this. His English was notstrong, which is kind of tough to
have a tour guide whose English isnot strong. But this is also a

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culture that is much more closed off. Somebody, probably of a younger generation
might be more likely to do that. But the type of stuff I get
all the time, like in theUS and in Europe when I travel,
people definitely want to use me andask personal stuff and I'm always game for
it. I was like, ohyeah, let's go for it. So
but anyway, incredible, incredible trip. Just also learned a lot about the

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history which I did not know alot of and occupations that they've gone through.
And yeah, it was super itwas neat. But anyway, Yeah,
now, I know you generally wouldwant to see something new whenever possible,
but would you go back. It'sinteresting because I genuinely loved my time

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there, but I don't feel apull to go back. However, I
am now really dying to go toJapan and visit because I've heard wonderful things
about that and to visit. Imean, there's multiple places I've wanted to
go to Thailand and Bali other placesin Asia for a while, and it's

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just bumped it even more that Iwant to go because I really like,
I can't emphasize enough, like asa sociologist, how exciting it was to
be in such a different culture,but in a place, you know,
where I felt safe and where Icould be out on my own wandering some
and know that there's you know,enough English spoken that I'll be okay and

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I can go into stores and buystuff and wander about and get things from
street buy things from street vendors atthe night market. And so because there
was times when yeah, when Reubenwas working, then I was out and
about on my own, which Ilove doing, and our hope we had
a you know, a fancy hotelthey were putting us up in, which
was nice. And then so itwas easy walking to like some really cool

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stuff. Yeah. So no,but I'll tell you one thing I did,
Ruben was like talk about other placesthat he wants to visit, and
like what we want to do,and I go, yes, and we're
going to get a driver right.I was like, because the main thing,
the main thing that we disagree about, argue about, or that causes

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fights when we are traveling and overseas, and luckily we've been able to do
that a lot in our time togetheris driving, is getting the rental car
and then driving and his driving,and I don't want to drive because I
don't feel comfortable and I don't andI freak out and I'm unhappy, and
it is an ongoing point of contentionbetween us. So to remove that,
this trip was amazing, how wellwe got along, like literally like gushing

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at each other at the end.We've just flown, you know, over
night, we've missed, you know, in the whole long flight back,
the whole thing, and we're likegoogly eyes with each other, and how
in love we feel with each other, and how appreciative we are of how
well we are matched in travel andto have spent that amazing time and experience
together. So I was like,Okay, we solved our problem. We

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just see to find people that arealways sponsor drivers for us. Yeah.
So yeah, love LAMB. SoI don't know you're gonna use You're gonna
use that video for some masturbratory fodder. Maybe I might. I might try
to build a wheel, build alittle bicycle wheel and have some might'll be

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with like feather dusters or something like, you know, a little hunge looking
at your penis. Yeah, ohyeah, I could totally tickle the balls,
also hurt the balls. But themotivation, though, the motivation to
pedal faster, that's good. That'sI think we should be efficient in that
way that we tie together our exercisewith our masturbation. Think about it.
The more in shape you get,the more stamina you have, the more

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often you do that, the longeryou last. So really, here's what
you do. You keep pedaling untilyou nut. That's it. Yeah,
that's we're onto something here. Seriously, we should brand this, yeah,
and and have a target that's acertain amount of space away for when you
do nut. Can you hit thetarget? There's point? Oh oh,

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so there's a competitive there should bea whole app around it, and everybody
then reports, you know, becausethere's nothing like competitive nutting, especially as
you're aging to make it good aboutyourself. Damn, I launched that one
two and a half feet. Thesedays, competitive nutting yep, right line,

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yep, Like instead of the lugein the Olympics, we would call
it the splew. That's pretty good. I like that one. Thank you
good. Okay, you have somethingpretty personal to share, well, you
know, yeah, I won't gointo too much detail, but I think
it's fair to share. You knowthat if you ever have couples counseling or
anything like that, if you aresomeone listening, now you're not alone.

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We did one, my wife andI did one. Had one session and
when the lady asked me why we'rethere, and my wife and I answered,
I said well. My wife said, well, I don't feel like
we need to be here. I'mhere for him. So I said,
okay, fair enough, I'll answer. So I said, well better communication
and more intimacy. Oh okay.So she goes through and at first it

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was really good. She asked usall about family, where's your dad?
How how did you get this name? How is this person referred to you
through insurance? When you call up, they give you a list of places
near you, They ask you howfar you're willing to drive? That kind
of thing. Okay, So isthis person that specializes in intimacy? No,
that's just it. And I didn'tknow that that was something I should

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have looked into, because the answerthat I got was terrible. Here here.
Yeah, I shouldn't say terrible.It's just to your point. I'll
explain why you are correct, andI know you're right. Started off great
with like, you know each ofus, asking each of us, where's
your dad, your mom, brothers, sisters, relationship with them? Yeah,
yeah, family history. You're reallydoing well. I thought, oh,

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we're in the right place. Andthen after talking and the way we
communicated and we were pretty open andhonest about stuff, you know, she
goes, well, you know,I don't I don't know how I can
help you because you guys already communicatepretty well. And so we went on
a little bit further and then shesaid it again and I was like,
well, we can always communicate better, yeah, and like where are you

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struggling and how are you that's ohmy god. Well the other thing that
was said was well, I wishthere were a female viagra, but there's
not, so I don't know howI can help you. And in my
mind, I went, so,you think this is just about sex.
It's not. It's about intimacy.It's about so many things, and so
I just knew then. I waslike, okay, yeah, we're done

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well. And the fact that shethe only offering she would have is a
pharmaceutical intervention, but because that doesn'texist out there, she has nothing for
you. That was gave us alittle worksheet on some formula, and I
just kind of went, Okay,nice enough, lady. I'm sure she's
with couples outside of that realm.So she though because of the communication comments

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I when that was Yeah, whenthat was made, I really did think
inside myself, I went, oh, wow, how is that that's your
go to? And I could tellyou because I just I had this experience
a few weeks ago and a momwith a couple and they're like, we're
good, we're just kind of preventativehere, and I'm like wat. And
then and then I was like,okay, yeah, I'm curious. You
know, I'm not quite sure whereI'm going to work on with them,

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but you ask enough questions, right, And by a half hour in,
I was like, Oh, Okay, we've got a big We've got a
blind spot here, We've got somethinghere that's getting brushed under the rug.
We have here, some obligation here, we have somebody with her feelings like
that is it is always there,always, And I even said, I

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have to say I know that womendon't think like men in the world of
sex. I said, but I'llbe honest because Christy, you know,
she said what she said and it'sall true, you know, the back
pain and all of that. AndI said, you know, the thing
for me is, I feel likethere's no way she finds me attracted.
I feel very unattractive. I haveno confidence in that realm, and I
just I want to work on it, and I want to It's not just

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for the physical part of it,I said, don't get me wrong,
it is it's definitely for that too. Yeah, but other things, the
closeness and all that. So againit was yeah, yeah, I wish
there were a female vaguer. There'snot. And you guys are to communicate
really well. I was just like, okay, oh, this isn't a
anyway. I will say. Firstof all, I just I will say
that person does not sound like highlyskilled in the first place. Second,

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unless somebody is specifically trained around sextopics and the complexity physical, mental,
emotional, social, spiritual, bigpicture sexual topics. Unless they are trained
in that and specialize in it.People often are terrible. Think I'd be
terrible. People are in society overall. And then this is somebody who's supposed

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to be giving you advice or guidanceor knowing a complexity of questions to ask,
which she clearly didn't like. Ifyou're not trained in it, this
is not something that people wing well, and often their advice is actually harmful
at times. Well, that's thething is. I even said to my
wife on the way home. Isaid, you know, it's in this
moment that I wish I didn't evenknow doctor Jen so that I could look

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her up to help us. Igo, but we just she goes,
no way, you're way too deep. Oh my god. Yeah, no,
I couldn't and I wouldn't know that. Oh yeah, yeah even even
yeah, so I did. Butwhen I told my therapist Tatiana about the
comments, she didn't say what yousaid. But I did see her because
we do zoom as well, andI can. Yeah, I did see

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her eyes kind of almost like thathump look right like what like, But
she didn't. She's very professional.No, and that's the thing that she
took the right route. I don'thave to be a professional, your friends
and nobody paying me right now.And by the way, it's nothing against
that therapist because she started off sogood, so well yeah yeah, But

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getting history like that is basic things. That's basic skills because you need the
context of who somebody is and theirfamily relationships and things that happened. And
I'm a coach. I'm not evena therapist like coaches where we're supposed to
work with like what's happening now andwhere do you want to be and what's
getting in the way. But likeI, I'm a sociologist, I always

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start with going into the history.I need the context. What did you
learn about emotions? What were yourearliest relationships, What were any childhood traumas
or just difficulties your parents going throughdivorce's debts, all of those things totally
fundamentally shape who we are are andhow we show up in relationships as adults
and what we struggle with, especiallyaround intimacy. So that is always foundational.

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But what were you You were justgoing to say something it looked like,
well, it just made me thinkabout like you and and things we
discuss and you know, the professionalversus friendship and all of those things and
how uh oh man, I wasgoing to make a point here. It
was I had said something. Itlooked like you wanted to speak up when

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I said something about like where asa coach we look at where are people
now? Where do they want tobe and what's getting in the way?
Did you want to speak to that? It was just no, it was
yes. And now I've kind oflost that train of thought because I was
listening to what you were saying andI lost where I was going with it.
But it's I'll get it here ina second. It had to do
with the friendship as opposed to oh, that's what it was. No,

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sorry, relationship stuff. Well,in relationships, you know sometimes like when
when I'm having my individual therapy,she my therapist, has brought up to
me couple of times and I wantedto get your take on this. So
I don't know if I just wentsquirrel on you or what I did hear
about said yeah, and I'm noteven sure it's along the same vein,
but it did pop into my mind. And that is she has mentioned a
couple of times if I haven't toldyou this, and if I have,

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just let me know that we weretalking. She's like you know, you
talk about wanting to go to Idlewild, and because I talk about how you
went and how my therapist went,and I really love that place and I
want to go. Yeah, Andsometimes it's hard to plan with other people,
whether it's your family with schedules orfriends. And you know me,
I always like to bring people right. Well, I think you mentioned this
last time that she told you togo alone. Oh yeah, okay,

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so I did mention, yes,okay, yeah, And I don't know
if I got your take on that. Did you give me feedback yourself,
not just listening, but did youtell me that you think it's a good
idea? Think? I think it'sfantastic you did. That's yes, because
there's nothing like figuring out your relationshipwith yourself. Yeah, by yeah,
you know, because I know shehad you, like go sit at dinner
alone, which is amazing. It'dbe incredibly awkward, and I like good

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and to not fill your time withthe phone, But like, what would
you write? How would you spendyour time? If your time is truly
one hundred percent for you to takecare of you and just be alone,
and that is I like many peoplestruggle to do that, especially if they've
been married for a long time,right and you know, and I've had

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kids right now, yeah, kids, the monkey shop with all the people
to come. Man, I'm intoHey, let's get like. I'm doing
the Clint's Ride Club on July twentiethup to Mountain, Mike's Pizza and Fallbrook.
He's a veteran. I want tosupport his business. I want to
have some pizza. I want todo the ride club. And then I'm
sitting here going that's the stuff.When I plan, I'm like, all
right, cool, I wonder who'scoming, let's go, and then to

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go. Yeah, I'm gonna ride, you know, two and a half
three hours to a destination by myselffor the night. I don't know,
like I do. That's a lotof time to think for me. Does
it feel empty or does it feelscary? I don't know. God,
did I tell you? I toldher that And her answer and she goes,

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wait, are you telling me youfind yourself boring? Yeah? And
I go, yeah, I don'tthink others do I go? But me
by myself? She goes, reada book, take a walk, yes,
you know, go have dinner,tang out, Yes, I think,
And I go listen to a podcastlong before I'm bored, you know,
yes, se so funny. Ilove seeing I love time like that.

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I do. My time in lifeis like that, and but it
took me a while to develop that, but I like, genuinely it is
very nurturing to me to have timelike that. Now if I have too
much of it, like fucking COVIDlockdown, Like, I am also an
extroverted person who likes to be aroundpeople. So I remember you were talking
about that back when it was crushy. I was miserable. I was like

(22:48):
truly truly unhappy and depressed and waslike nothing I could do about it.
I remember you telling me I needto get the fuck out of here for
a little bit. By Yeah,And actually I a while it was super
helpful to go up to well,because that's where you naturally feel like,
hey, it's okay to be aloneup here, even if you're used to
it. That's the place where youwould I had a friend up there also

(23:11):
who I could visit and could goon hikes with, and she had her
family up there, so that washelpful. And then I rented like because
he was pricey up there, andso I just rented a trailer. Somebody
had a trailer on their property andI was learning the ukulele, and that
guy happened to have played the ukulelefor decades. Say, huh, what
did you just say? Whatever?I yeah, the one who I did

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not tell you that you did.Maybe if I was you said that the
guy that was that you you saidthat you said or something someone who played
they bought it online, got himon Amazon. No, maybe he said
Kalle. Maybe he did and correctedme. Honestly, I don't remember anything
from the first few months of lockdown. I just remember I was sad

(24:02):
and lonely and miserable and I cutyou off. I apologize, I kind
of no, No, but Igot to be around people and I got
to be in nature and so butthe difference of being like in my home,
so I mean, one of themain things was like, got to
be around people in beautiful nature upthere. So that was part of what
was fulfilling for me. Anyway.So, are you guys gonna find look

(24:27):
for another couple's counselor I really reallyhope you will. No, No,
no, we will, we will, And I am. In fact,
It's just you know, it wasjust one of the things I have somebody
who specializes in couples intimacy. Mytherapist actually recommended three she she knew too,
and one that just was near us. She goes, So, I'm
giving you two that I know,and I recommend the other one I recommend,

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but it's kind of far for you. She goes. So, I
don't know if you'll do that.She goes, but I still recommend her.
Number one was I forget the nameJoshua or something, and she goes.
She goes, Now, here's thething. You don't need to say
I referred you or anything. Shegoes, because we cannot even he can't
even say to me, thanks forthat referral. She goes. I can't
even know that he's seeing you unlessyou tell me. She goes, And
you don't have to tell me.Yeah, it's funny. Because we talked

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about a coffee shop, I'm learninga lot about how therapy really goes legally.
I there's a coffee shop called Sthree off of Friar's rot Or Mission
Gorge or somewhere out there kind ofnear Kaiser out there the Black ANGUSI.
Oh, yeah, it's a coollittle shop inside it really is, And
their coffee is really good. Sobecause I told her about how I like
discovering new coffee shops and my wifeand I and she said, oh,
I go to this one a lot. So I went and checked it out

(25:30):
with my wife. And when Itold her, I said, wouldn't it
be funny? I see you sittingthere and I come up with you and
your friends and I just PLoP aseat and go, hey, hey,
how did I do in therapy lastweek? And she laughed. She goes,
well, you could, She goes, but I can tell you this,
I couldn't. I'm not even allowedto approach you, even if I
know what you in public, becauseI can't. And she goes, and

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I'm not saying because I don't wantto. She goes, it's because I'm
not supposed to. It's very anonymous. It is so because I cannot tell
you how many times over the yearsI have seen somebody. I'll be I'll
be at the grocery store, I'llbe at her party, and I'm like,
oh my god, that person looksso familiar. And then I'm like,
did I meet them at an event? Did I go on a date

(26:15):
with them? Did that? Like? And I go through all of these
things. I'm like, or arethey a client of mine? And I
cannot remember, so I have toignore them, which is terrible. Like
that is awful if it's somebody who'slike, hey, doctor jed da da
dah. And then even so sometimesI've had former clients do that and I'll
be like hey, and and thenI'm like, fuck, what do I

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like? You know, it's feelsawful, especially somebody who wants to be
friendly and always make people feel welcomeand like I remember them. Oh my
god, it's so terrible. Yeah, I hate that. I hate that
feeling. I was like, Idon't know why that person looks familiar.
I need to ignore them. Ohthey might be a client. Yeah,
well, she said, you know, you can approach me. Yeah,
and she goes, and you canliterally do that. She goes, and
I can talk to you once youdo. She goes, but I cannot

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approach you. And I said,no joke, I said, I could
care less. She goes. I'msure you don't. Yes, but that's
not her. That is not herplace to write. And she and it's
funny because we even got into becauseI told her on the air that I
mentioned, oh yeah, I taketo Youana my therapist. She goes,
you said that on the air,and I go yeah. She goes,
you're comfortable with that? And Igo yeah. She goes, Okay.
She goes cause you know, Ican't really discuss this with anybody else.

(27:26):
She goes, I mean, ifyou really want to do that, I
guess it's okay. She goes.But that's not something that she goes.
Just think about that. She goesbecause you know, I said, no,
I could care less. I said. The reason I bring it up
and I've only brought a batch twice, Yeah, so that people don't feel
alone. Yes, And I said, the same reason that I do the
podcast with my friend doctor Jen.I said, I want people to know.
It's you're not nuts, and ifyou are, I am too,

(27:47):
you know, but you're in goodcompany, right, You're in good right,
You're not alone. Mom. Soshe goes, Okay, she goes
okay. And but it's funny becauseright, but that's been trained into her
as it should be to. Butyou know, such a high level of
confidentiality so that people feel safe.Yeah, and especially the part where she
told me, like I think Isaid this a minute ago, but she
said that he can't even call herand go thanks for the referral. Nothing.

(28:11):
Yeah, And I'm like, oh, so, I said, Okay,
well, I don't mind him tellinghim. She goes, it's not
that you can't. It just doesn'tdo him any good. And he can't
even tell me if you're with himor not. So well, I'll tell
you if I am. That's fine. She goes, right exactly, I
can't even discuss you with him,And I'm like, okay, good,
yeah, good good. No,I'm glad that you've sat found somebody good

(28:32):
there. I really like what she'sdoing with you, what you're sharing,
it sounds really great. I havea feeling you and she would be good
friends. N you're a little morewhat's the word, You're a little more
blunt. I think you're more blunt. See, I can't be here because
also, like I've joked about thisfor years, but it's true. Part

(28:53):
of what people pay me for istact. Patience, and tact does most
of it. Yeah, your knowledge, and I am sometimes like I you
know, I will. I willplay hard ass, call out bs,
sometimes go like full East Coast onpeople, but often it is you know,
and I don't have to do thathere with us, and we're also

(29:14):
like, we're here to entertain people, not just educate people. Also,
so I get to be full bluntEast Coast doctor Jen. So I am,
you know, a more subdued versionof this with my clients, and
i'd say more tactical and probably alittle more respectful. Yeah whatever, I'd

(29:37):
be the worst therapist ever. Iliterally, I would just be. I
would be like, you two aren'tvoting right now, Well, I think
you should be. Oh so homeworkside. Well, and that's the problem.
So people have gone to therapists beforeand that's been the homework assignment,
Like you need to go home towives, Like you need to go home
and just have sex with your husband. Yeah, so it's for me exactly.

(30:00):
You're like, that's the therapist.Iwa, I'll pay a lot of
money for that. You can youimagine that conversation is deeperally house therapy working
out freaking fantastic. It's horrible,I know. Yeah, yeah, well,
you know what, Obligatory sex isnot the most passionate sex, and
if you have any integrity and consciousit should be not pleasant for you.

(30:22):
Also just gonna say you're just sittingthere nodding your head and not saying anything.
Yeah, that's like, what doesthat mean? Well, anyway,
well, I'm glad you had afantastic trip. God. Yeah, we
meet next week, yes, andyeah, we'll have to figure out because

(30:45):
it's fourth of July week. Let'sfigure out a time. Yes we could
talk because I will be traveling somebut let's we'll figure something out. And
actually, I want to share nexttime. I'm going to drop this down.
I had a call. I didmy first like true telemedicine with my
doctor, like my primary care doctor. That was a fifteen minute zoom call
instead of going in person, andI haven't done one of those yet.

(31:07):
It was great. It was sonice not to leave I might have to
drive there, so much more convenientanyway. But I came with my laundry
list of perimenopause symptoms like super longlike a lot of physical symptoms and achiness.
I just think it would be helpful, So well, next time I'll
do this to share all of thevarious symptoms and then what my doctor said

(31:30):
and what the path is potentially movingforward. I think that would be helpful
to share. I think it'd beawesome. Yeah, yeah, okay,
doctor Jen, Yeah, tell thebull. Hunk I said, hello,
I will all right. You havea good day.