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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Pete Chin joins us now, who's the associate director of
the Epstein Justice Organization.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Pete, welcome in, Thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey, thanks very much. Jtie, great to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
So let's talk about the Epstein files first before we
jump into that. Tell me about the Epstein Justice Organization.
There's a lot of focus on release the files, be
transparent and not a lot of people screaming about we
got to find justice for these victims.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well, and that's an excellent point. That's what we're about
in part is finding it. But here's the thing. How
are you going to get justice for the victims of
Jeffrey Epstein and Galline Maxwell unless you have a full
accounting of the facts of that case. I just don't
see how it's possible. And I think common sense dictates
(00:47):
that in order to get in order to get justice,
you have to have facts first, and we don't have
all the facts. We simply don't know what happened in
that case in many different areas of that case. And
that's what Epstein Justice is all about. It's asking the
legislative branch to force the executive branch, who has no
(01:08):
interest in releasing this material because it will implicate not
only the current executive branch, but executive branches of both parties.
And that's why we're a non partisan organization. JT. I'm
a registered independent and I'm not interested in making any
kind of partisan points. No one at Epstein Justice is.
What we're interested in is having the information and the
(01:30):
facts out about this case necessary without here or favor.
Let the chips fall where they may, and if people
need to be held accountable, then let them be held accountable.
If not in a court of law, that at least
in the court of public opinion.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
All right, you mentioned that this will implicate the executive branch,
you know, past and present in future.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Do we know that? Do you know what's in these files?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And we've been talking about this at nauseam because it's
not going away, and you've got the Republicans and Democrats
screaming for you know, full disclosure on this, and you've
got people inside both parties kind of back and forth
with each other on all of this. Here's I'm just
throwing this out. Let's say that, you know, we assume
that there's implication for you know, a lot of people,
(02:15):
including high executives and corporations, Hollywood celebrities and even political
figures that don't want this coming out. Okay, that's an
easy take on why this is not coming out.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Here's a deeper take to me.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
If this was implicating President Trump, Biden had these files,
he would have used them against them. And secondly, Joe Biden,
why didn't you release the files? So let's say that
there's implication on both sides of the aisle. But my
thought is, what if they're doing the investigation and Bondy,
Pam Bondy, and the director of the FBI, Cash Mattel,
(02:50):
are into the files now, and they're going, oh, my gosh,
you know what if there's something of national security concern
or something that could really lead to maybe I don't know,
attack on people, attack on cities, attack on human beings
that they want to go after those negative things that
they have found and those ugly beasts that they uncovered
(03:10):
when they picked up the rock. Before they release this,
what if this hinders an investigation into something deeper and
darker that we don't even have a clue on right
now that would warrant some arrests, some people going to
jail before we come clean with this instead of exposing
it all and possibly blowing the investigation apart and not
getting the bad guys.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, JG, that's you're answering your own questions. What if
they're conducting some other, deeper, more sinister investigation, why not
just say hey, we can't release these files and we're
still investigating rights. It would be satisfied with that answer.
But what they're saying instead, JT is there's nothing geared,
nothing in these terabytes of data that we see. Nothing
(03:52):
in the video files, nothing in the surveillance, nothing there
to see anybody, Which is fine if that's true. But
if that's true, what I say is, show me the nothing. Yes,
go ahead, Yes, if there's nothing to fear here, show
me the nothing. Well, how hard can that possibly be?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
We do know there is more than nothing, because there
are victims in this whole thing. Back to the original
point and your cause. In this organization, Epstein Justice, there
were miners involved with you know, young girls and young
boys that need you know, law enforcement to hold people
accountable for what was going on. And here's what I
(04:29):
don't get either didn't Gaslaine or Maxwell you know, ha Madam?
Wasn't she ready to release Epstein's client list and then
Congress came in and said, oh not now, no, wait, this.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Is another excellent point, jac Hey, if you'd like to
get to the bottom of this. In truth, you have
the other key person in the network in prison, and
she's never given a detailed statement about her activities, Jeffrey
Epstein's activities, or anybody else's activity that she and Jeffrey
Epstein were involved with. Why not, In fact, Glaine Matchwell
(05:05):
has been treated like a queen in prison, given special
privileges and other perks that normally you don't get until
after you've spent ten or fifteen years in prison. Why.
I mean, there are so many unanswered questions jt even
back to the original deal that allowed Jeffrey Epstein to
essentially get away with building an extensive sex trafficking network
(05:26):
in West tom Beach, Florida. So, and if we could
go on from there about all of the questions that
remain unanswered, and it wouldn't be a difficult thing to
have these questions answered. But I'll tell you one thing
right now. If you're taking to look at the victims
of Jeffrey Epstein, there is a Jeffrey Epstein Victims Compensation Fund.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but here's
(05:48):
a fact. In order to claim any compensation from that fund,
you have to sign a non disclosure agreement. Why would
you force a victim into a non disclosure agreement in
order to receive compensation for their adjudicated abuse. There's a
lot of things that just don't make sense. JT Well,
And all I think the American people want to know is, listen,
(06:11):
this shouldn't be complicated. Obviously, Jeffrey Epstein associated with some
of the most wealthy and powerful individuals in the United
States and around the world. All we're asking for is
disclosure of all the information that caused the federal government
to ignore its own non prosecution agreement with him and
go ask him again, what did they see there? Why
(06:32):
did they do that? We still don't have an answer
to that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, the mass so, yeah, the messaging on all of
this from the White House is not looking good. The
perception is, what do you mean there's nothing here? That's
not the case. Please stop saying that there is something here.
Because illegal activity was taken place with miners involved, that's clear.
Now where it goes from here? Are we going to
(06:55):
have to get Congress to mandate that we're pulling people
in and we're going to do this.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Is it going to go to the courts? I mean,
it's not just fading away.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It isn't just fading away, and I've hope it doesn't
for the sake of not only of the past victims,
but potential future victims as well. You know the director
of Epstein Justice, Nick Bryant. The reason that I got
involved in this cause is because my son, who is
in Omaha, Nebraska, came to me and said, Dad, have
you ever heard about the Franklin scandal? And I said, well, no,
(07:27):
not really. And my son, who lives in Omaha, has
friends who were who know people who were traffic It's
so widespread in Omaha. And so I started doing that
research and I got in touch with Nick Bryant and said,
my god, I can't believe this is going on while
I lived in Omaha myself. And he said, if you
think that's something, you should hear about the crimes of
(07:47):
Jeffrey Epstein. And so once I heard about the horrifying
and vicious crimes of Jeffrey Epstein and Blaine Maxwell, people
think a child sex trafficking network, how bad can that be.
It can be really really horrifying, destroying souls and destroying lives.
They did that with impunity. And so my point here
is simply that if the government is an interest in
(08:09):
protecting its own children, this is what it's really all about. JP.
I think for a vast majority of people why this
touch is a nerve, it's because it's like wealthy people
can do anything. They can even take our children with impunity,
and we have to say no, no, they can't. There
has to be accountability, not just for the primary mover,
(08:31):
but for everybody who facilitated it, who look the other way,
who turned a blind eye. Hey, maybe those people can't
be convicted in court. And to answer your question directly, yes,
Congress must get involved.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, Pete, I sure do appreciate your passion in this,
standing up with the victims and getting to the bottom
of it.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And at some point I'm sure we will, I certainly
hope so
Pete Chin joins us now, who's the associate director of
the Epstein Justice Organization.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Pete, welcome in, Thank you for being here.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Hey, thanks very much. Jtie, great to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
So let's talk about the Epstein files first before we
jump into that. Tell me about the Epstein Justice Organization.
There's a lot of focus on release the files, be
transparent and not a lot of people screaming about we
got to find justice for these victims.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well, and that's an excellent point. That's what we're about
in part is finding it. But here's the thing. How
are you going to get justice for the victims of
Jeffrey Epstein and Galline Maxwell unless you have a full
accounting of the facts of that case. I just don't
see how it's possible. And I think common sense dictates
(00:47):
that in order to get in order to get justice,
you have to have facts first, and we don't have
all the facts. We simply don't know what happened in
that case in many different areas of that case. And
that's what Epstein Justice is all about. It's asking the
legislative branch to force the executive branch, who has no
(01:08):
interest in releasing this material because it will implicate not
only the current executive branch, but executive branches of both parties.
And that's why we're a non partisan organization. JT. I'm
a registered independent and I'm not interested in making any
kind of partisan points. No one at Epstein Justice is.
What we're interested in is having the information and the
(01:30):
facts out about this case necessary without here or favor.
Let the chips fall where they may, and if people
need to be held accountable, then let them be held accountable.
If not in a court of law, that at least
in the court of public opinion.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
All right, you mentioned that this will implicate the executive branch,
you know, past and present in future.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Do we know that? Do you know what's in these files?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And we've been talking about this at nauseam because it's
not going away, and you've got the Republicans and Democrats
screaming for you know, full disclosure on this, and you've
got people inside both parties kind of back and forth
with each other on all of this. Here's I'm just
throwing this out. Let's say that, you know, we assume
that there's implication for you know, a lot of people,
(02:15):
including high executives and corporations, Hollywood celebrities and even political
figures that don't want this coming out. Okay, that's an
easy take on why this is not coming out.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Here's a deeper take to me.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
If this was implicating President Trump, Biden had these files,
he would have used them against them. And secondly, Joe Biden,
why didn't you release the files? So let's say that
there's implication on both sides of the aisle. But my
thought is, what if they're doing the investigation and Bondy,
Pam Bondy, and the director of the FBI, Cash Mattel,
(02:50):
are into the files now, and they're going, oh, my gosh,
you know what if there's something of national security concern
or something that could really lead to maybe I don't know,
attack on people, attack on cities, attack on human beings
that they want to go after those negative things that
they have found and those ugly beasts that they uncovered
(03:10):
when they picked up the rock. Before they release this,
what if this hinders an investigation into something deeper and
darker that we don't even have a clue on right
now that would warrant some arrests, some people going to
jail before we come clean with this instead of exposing
it all and possibly blowing the investigation apart and not
getting the bad guys.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, JG, that's you're answering your own questions. What if
they're conducting some other, deeper, more sinister investigation, why not
just say hey, we can't release these files and we're
still investigating rights. It would be satisfied with that answer.
But what they're saying instead, JT is there's nothing geared,
nothing in these terabytes of data that we see. Nothing
(03:52):
in the video files, nothing in the surveillance, nothing there
to see anybody, Which is fine if that's true. But
if that's true, what I say is, show me the nothing. Yes,
go ahead, Yes, if there's nothing to fear here, show
me the nothing. Well, how hard can that possibly be?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
We do know there is more than nothing, because there
are victims in this whole thing. Back to the original
point and your cause. In this organization, Epstein Justice, there
were miners involved with you know, young girls and young
boys that need you know, law enforcement to hold people
accountable for what was going on. And here's what I
(04:29):
don't get either didn't Gaslaine or Maxwell you know, ha Madam?
Wasn't she ready to release Epstein's client list and then
Congress came in and said, oh not now, no, wait, this.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Is another excellent point, jac Hey, if you'd like to
get to the bottom of this. In truth, you have
the other key person in the network in prison, and
she's never given a detailed statement about her activities, Jeffrey
Epstein's activities, or anybody else's activity that she and Jeffrey
Epstein were involved with. Why not, In fact, Glaine Matchwell
(05:05):
has been treated like a queen in prison, given special
privileges and other perks that normally you don't get until
after you've spent ten or fifteen years in prison. Why.
I mean, there are so many unanswered questions jt even
back to the original deal that allowed Jeffrey Epstein to
essentially get away with building an extensive sex trafficking network
(05:26):
in West tom Beach, Florida. So, and if we could
go on from there about all of the questions that
remain unanswered, and it wouldn't be a difficult thing to
have these questions answered. But I'll tell you one thing
right now. If you're taking to look at the victims
of Jeffrey Epstein, there is a Jeffrey Epstein Victims Compensation Fund.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but here's
(05:48):
a fact. In order to claim any compensation from that fund,
you have to sign a non disclosure agreement. Why would
you force a victim into a non disclosure agreement in
order to receive compensation for their adjudicated abuse. There's a
lot of things that just don't make sense. JT Well,
And all I think the American people want to know is, listen,
(06:11):
this shouldn't be complicated. Obviously, Jeffrey Epstein associated with some
of the most wealthy and powerful individuals in the United
States and around the world. All we're asking for is
disclosure of all the information that caused the federal government
to ignore its own non prosecution agreement with him and
go ask him again, what did they see there? Why
(06:32):
did they do that? We still don't have an answer
to that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, the mass so, yeah, the messaging on all of
this from the White House is not looking good. The
perception is, what do you mean there's nothing here? That's
not the case. Please stop saying that there is something here.
Because illegal activity was taken place with miners involved, that's clear.
Now where it goes from here? Are we going to
(06:55):
have to get Congress to mandate that we're pulling people
in and we're going to do this.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Is it going to go to the courts? I mean,
it's not just fading away.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It isn't just fading away, and I've hope it doesn't
for the sake of not only of the past victims,
but potential future victims as well. You know the director
of Epstein Justice, Nick Bryant. The reason that I got
involved in this cause is because my son, who is
in Omaha, Nebraska, came to me and said, Dad, have
you ever heard about the Franklin scandal? And I said, well, no,
(07:27):
not really. And my son, who lives in Omaha, has
friends who were who know people who were traffic It's
so widespread in Omaha. And so I started doing that
research and I got in touch with Nick Bryant and said,
my god, I can't believe this is going on while
I lived in Omaha myself. And he said, if you
think that's something, you should hear about the crimes of
(07:47):
Jeffrey Epstein. And so once I heard about the horrifying
and vicious crimes of Jeffrey Epstein and Blaine Maxwell, people
think a child sex trafficking network, how bad can that be.
It can be really really horrifying, destroying souls and destroying lives.
They did that with impunity. And so my point here
is simply that if the government is an interest in
(08:09):
protecting its own children, this is what it's really all about. JP.
I think for a vast majority of people why this
touch is a nerve, it's because it's like wealthy people
can do anything. They can even take our children with impunity,
and we have to say no, no, they can't. There
has to be accountability, not just for the primary mover,
(08:31):
but for everybody who facilitated it, who look the other way,
who turned a blind eye. Hey, maybe those people can't
be convicted in court. And to answer your question directly, yes,
Congress must get involved.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, Pete, I sure do appreciate your passion in this,
standing up with the victims and getting to the bottom
of it.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And at some point I'm sure we will, I certainly
hope so
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