November 11, 2025 • 51 mins
This week, former White Fern Emily Drumm joins the podcast to discuss what New Zealand needs to do to get to the upper echelon of the women's game.
Later, West Indian commentator Andrew Mason details the likely Wests Indies test squad, and Remember This looks back on November in Brisbane 1985.
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Hello, nice to have you again on the front court
with us, also with Ravie one. Here we made paints
and stains. Despite the match results, the black Cats have
struggled for T twenty. Consistency Is consistency necessary in a
cricket lottery like the Tea twenty. Some players still to
confirm the spots because of the injuries. What of the
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West Indies contributed to the series? Our White Ferns have
failed in India, finished outside the top four. How do
we get back to that top echelon? How did I
remember this? One of our great test performances. And the
special guest has joined us this week, Jeremy, nice to
have with us. Emily Drumm, former Whitefern who has a
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very close knowledge of the women's game, and it'd be
nice to get some ideas from her. As long as
your memory is working back to nineteen eighty five as well,
we should have a complete success of the day's program.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
I'll do my best. Ones.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Good to chat to you once again, and hello Emily,
and welcome and thanks for being on with us and
putting I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I think some.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
Knowledge perhaps is the word to the women's game, so
we'll look really looking forward to that.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
Thanks guys to sharing the thoughts and where I think
we can see a way forward. Such an exciting type
of the woman's game. So happy to share how we
think we can get at least back at the top
table exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
That's what we want to be a bit positive too,
it's not a negative point of view. We've had an
email from Jeff who sent us at an email to on
the Front Foot twenty gmail dot com and he said
he enjoys listening to the podcast, which is great, and
he also pointed to the white ferns and finishing sixth
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at the World Cup. I fear for our team. Wants Sophie,
Susie Bates and a lead to who called it today?
Amelia Kerr can't do it all and has had perhaps
underperformed at this tournament. He suggests that Halliday and Plummer
of Sean that they have a bright future, and I
suggest too that as he Gas is probably another one.
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But we need a bit more consistency, in a bit
more form. Jeff adds, I don't like having a crack
at the ladies and I doubt that it helps, but
they are at least semi professional and so warrant and opinion.
That's fair enough. It's nice to be able to talk
along those issues.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
Emily.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I read an article in The crick and Fox about
the money spent on the international teams and it said
something along the lines of, you know, the Australian team
had nineteen million spent on them, England fifteen million, New
Zealand to two point twenty seven. Not sure about the
accuracy of those figures, but I suppose it tells us
that money has contributed to the success of those sides.
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It hasn't bought a World Cup for Australia the money
they spent, but they got into the top four. Money's
not everything, is it. There needs to be something more
for the women's game to encourage it and help it
reach its potential.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Do you agree one hundred percent? Money is certainly not everything,
and I don't believe those numbers for one moment. Every
nation will have their budget and certainly I'll be shocked
if it was that high for those top nations. But
money will not buy us a World Cup. It's as
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simple as that. They just we don't have the player pool.
We don't have enough players playing the game right from
the grassroots to push the cream to the top faster.
We don't have enough. The spread of our players are
so thin. Once the players leave, say for example, they're
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going to an international fixture and there's domestic cricket on,
we lose the We lose such a big caliber of player.
So the gap between the white ferns to the next
group of players down, which is our domestic level, and
then down to your your nineteen's, seventeens domestic and then
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club and school gears, the gap and drop and ability
is so high. So you just don't have enough of
a player to fill that base. And we're trying to
make professional athletes out of just slim pickings. That's really
the truth of the matter. Yes, we're going to miss
those big name players. We certainly are there are. It's
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not all doom and gloom, don't get me wrong, but
we're in a transition. We're probably five to ten years
away from really being a cemented top four side. And
don't forget all the other sides like the South Africas
are going to want a succession plan because they're almost
in the sane boat. They're going to lose a couple
of those top players over the next They're already losing some,
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but they will lose like the Marizone Cats, who is
a world class player, Susie and Sophie, you know, great duo.
But we have players waiting to come in, but they
just need to play more cricket. And we're trying to
grow that NZA program. We're trying to broaden that base
of under seventeens and nineteens players, which is a space
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I'm involved in personally, so I see it firsthand. Where
we're at. We've got a lot of work to do.
We've got a lot of catching up to do on
a limited budget. Least be fair, we don't have the
deep pockets and that's going to always be our challenge
is finding that balance of performance.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
For what we've spent just before Jerry asked the question, Emily,
my bugbear is the quality of cricket that we're playing.
I believe that some of the money should be spent.
I know it's costly on a longer format program, a
first class type of program, some red ball cricket to
give these players a chance to establish skills. Is that
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a fair point. Yes?
Speaker 7 (06:50):
And no, Australia don't have a red ball format. No
country has a red ball format yet, so you're getting
Australia playing the ashes and South Africa played a Test
series against Australia last year, India getting in on the act.
(07:13):
I don't know if that's the answer. I'm not sure. Yes,
I want fifty overs. I mean you can play a
two day format. Surely you can play a two day
format and cap the maximum amount of overs for the
first first innings. We used to play that many years ago,
so that that could be a hybrid. We've got like
a three day format where you've got a two day
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and then one day to finish, so you're actually stripping
one of the one days out of because at the
moment the Hally Burton Shield is played over. Helly Burton
Johnson's Shield has played over two days, so you got
back to back one day is so you could steal
another day. There are semi professional athletes, by the way,
so they can we can steal another day. That could
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be one way of a bit of a hybrid and
fill that gap as you're saying around the longer format.
So we've got players betting for time. I want to
see hundred a lot of the quality of the World Cup.
Outstanding batsmanship for the first time, you've got three hundred
being regularly passed. And the quality of betting was fantastic.
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Sadly New Zealand's betting was not up to the mark
and sadly our borling wasn't good enough either.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah, now look, look, I thought that the Women's World
Cup was a good story.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Actually I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
I thought India after losing three in a row, then
they managed to beat New Zealand, Australia and South Africa,
and you do wonder about the future and the young
Indian girls who may have seen a new chance that
exists for them now. And they have a Women's Ipl
of course for the current players in addition to international cricket.
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So for a tournament that began on who on Earth
can beat Australia. The two semis seriously watchable matches, I thought,
and that's not being patronizing at all. The range of shots,
you know, and the death bowling out of the back
of the hand, slower balls, great athleticism, diving at the boundary,
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flicking the ball back, checked, drives over the top, reverse
laps and cuts and the catching was about the only
thing that sort of let it down.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
But some very serious batting. Wasn't a perfect tournament.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Washouts in Colombo, confusing schedules were through them monsoon and
that sort of thing. Why didn't they plan in the mornings.
It was a pretty grim watch actually that part of
the tournament.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
But it was.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Saved by the knockout phase. I think probably even of
South Africa had won, it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Would have been good.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
You know, they were bowled out for sixty in the
first game, weren't they, So they were pretty resilient.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Actually, look, I just I feel India.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
And Australia are a little bit better at the moment,
particularly India with the batting, and then Africa in England
and we are behind that. And I guess it's a
question of what do we do now because we're going
to lose the captain, We're going to lose probably Bates
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and to Whoho. It seems to me the reliance and
that model on two to three players can't see us through.
It feels like the old men's game through the fifties
and the sixties when we had Read and Suckler. But
through the seventies we started to develop some New Zealand
based players like Hastings and Burgess, Pongden Taylor.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Those kinds of people, and we did it.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Through the eighties we had Hadley and Crowe, but we
had Edgar and Smith and Bracewood and jf Reed and
so on and Chatfield. We've not to somehow raise the
level of our New Zealand based players. How do we
do that? Because I do since we've got lots of
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young players in our women's side, you know, a lot
at twenty one, twenty two Breillings, twenty two, you go
to twenty four with Eden Carson, you go to twenty
five with you know, Amelia Ker. What are we going
to do and our coaching? Now that's you, Emily, So
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you tell me about that because I need to be
convinced we are not going to fall away.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Well, I need to break it to you that we
will fall away a little bit. We have to accept
that while this is going to be our biggest rebuild
since two thousand, we have to accept that you're going
to see a big chunk fall away in the next
year or two. One already we know about so we
just have to accept things are the way that they
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are now. And my job is to teach these girls
how to bat and I'm in batsmanship, learning how to
vibe in the cauldure and learning how to formulate your innings.
How can I survive, score runs, how can I dominate?
How can I lead the team with my batting? So
that's that's my job over the next sort of twelve
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to twenty four months in terms of where I fit
in the piece. There are other Lauren down There are
other players that are on the scene that will come
through and we will see them rise over the next
twelve to twenty four months.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
But you.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Just really want people to just understand that there will
be a transition. We have to accept that there is
a plan laid out. High performance certainly have players that
we have ear marked. There's some fantastic good players coming
through in the nineteens group, but they're still very young.
So a diet of cricket, play lots of cricket, make
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lots of mistakes, learn how to deal problem solve all
those sorts of things as cricketers, learn how to be
professional cricketer, train properly, go and play half season in
the UK. So just trying to have that landscape so
that we can foster these players as fast as possible
given the playing field that they need to expedite their
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skill sets so that we can reach the ceiling that
they have as fast as possible. And there's going to
be growing pains, guys, there is, sadly, but that's where
we are at. We've got some good people on the
ground coaching. We're at Craig McMillan. You know, we've got
some really good people involved in the game. Donno, Grobola
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and Auckland hearts doing this thing, so there will be
plenty of challenges for these gives. We've still got a
good core of players, right, Yes, merely was quiet during
this World Cup, which is a complete contrast the last
year's see twenty heights. Just chalk and cheese and I'm
not sure what and why that was the case, because
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I thought outside we're actually quite fresh and probably underdone
a little bit. I know some of the players went
over to Indian had a had a camp or two
for quite a while trying to acclimatize, spend time facing
all sorts of spin bowling men, women, and all sorts
of things. So we saw some good play, but just
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not for long enough, and washouts hurt us. I like
what Brooke Holliday brought. I like as he gaze looks
to have really gone up another gear. Bowling looks a
concern for me though, Yes there to her who will
be a big loss. But we still have some good
players coming through that we need to blend in and
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give them game time. That's what I want to say.
Give these players game time. It's not take fifteen to
World Cup and play the same eleven every time. That's
not going to grow anyone's career. So opportunities for these
girls to play as what.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I would like to see you talk about developing the
batting talents. I think we shall or some skills in Halliday,
in Plymber and Gays and a couple of other players
to some extent, I think probably their mental application was
probably a little short, trying to play reverse sweeps a
little bit too early, or playing some of these shots
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that are low percentage rather than work the ball into
gaps or try and turn dot balls into singles in
some of those areas. Is that an area that needs
to be worked on as well as the batting skills.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
It's mental application, isn't it? In concentration, sticking to your
game plan. Do you get that right? All those fancy shots,
we can't all be Phoebe Litchfield, one of the best
reverse sweepers, can sweep all around the park, terrible to
bowl to because you just can't set really good fields
because she finds a way to get it to the boundary.
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But I'm sore firm believer in all the rasmetas or
the bush bashing, slow and steady can still win the race.
It can still get us to the heights. You've got
to have a top five batsman getting your hundreds, and
that hundred might come off one hundred and twenty one
hundred and thirty balls. So what if you've got other
people at the end that can get you a quick
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fifty of thirty balls or so, You're still going to
get those good high two hundred, three hundred plus totals.
You still those sorts of players, the heather Nights of
the world, who's incredibly stable. Simple player, can lap, can
reverse sititch, you can do those. But with simple thought
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processes and making good cricket decisions. That's where we're lacking,
those good smarts that you need to actually get. You
won't get hundreds if you keep making mental errors. So
reinforcing game plans. Is this the right shot? Keep it
simple and try and execute your game plan what I
tell every player. But I still see that the top
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group of players in New Zealand still need to do that.
It's a hard it's probably the hardest part of it
game to master.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
I wonder, you know, I watched New Zealand bat and
I just wondered, were they too timid at the start
of the first power play.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I realize what.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
You're saying, but bits, Plimmer and Kerr had a strike
rate combined of sixty four, you know, and if you
compare that probably to our next two, which might be
South Africa and maybe England rather than India and Australia.
For example, Jones Beaumont and had a Knight had a
strike rate of eighty five, and Wi Brits and Loose
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had a strike rate of eighty six. Now we have
got we cannot just keep pushing the ball back to
the bowler or to cover or to midwicket or mid on.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
We were run out.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
We're in the first game with a stroke to mid
on because someone was ball watching. So I mean, I
don't feel And then that's fine if you're slow ish,
but you've got to go on to get fifties and
hundreds in order to have partnerships and what you're saying
to make a bit of a difference. And if you
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look at those other sides, England had of their top three,
one of them got one hundred and they had four
fifties from those top three, and South Africa had three
hundreds and six fifties from those top three. New Zealand
no hundreds, no fifties. That makes a hell of a
difference and puts it passes on all the hope of
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an innings to the middle order, and thank heavens, we
got a few runs there. But then we get to
eight and nine and exactly the same thing happens. And
this was a tournament where number eights were doing Okay,
So you look at eight and nine, Charlie Dean and
Sophie Eggleston, they got their totals. They got one hundred
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and forty two runs with the strike raid of sixty eight.
South Africa three hundred and eighty four runs with a
strike rate of one hundred and ten Zealand eight and nine.
That's basically Jess kerrn to who fifty two runs, strike
rate of eighty six. Now the eighty six doesn't matter
because they're out so quickly at all. I mean, you
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get four runs off two balls, you've got a strike
rate of two hundred, doesn't matter, you see. So we
have got some problems right through our sort of our
bottom order seven eight or is he gazed at okay?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Eight and nine.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
They've got to be able to score runs nowadays, and
the top three, certainly our top four in ODI cricket,
there's the bulk of your runs.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Can't disagree with anything you say, only Jerry, you know,
Mady crank Green quiet after a brilliant twelve month period
for here. So there's lots of one and answered questions
for me, and certainly not enough contributions from any of
the top order. Yes, Sophie started the tournament really strongly,
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just nothing much else in a fifty year and a
fifty there. That's just not going to win you any
games of cricket. And you're right, you can't be pedestrian
at the top of the order. That that's not what
I want. But our technique is barely survivable from what
I saw with our opening batsman and Susie just looked
so out of sort. So I just feel like now's
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the time. It's a changing of the guard. And yes,
Georgia Plummer is the future at the top of the order,
and she will get better. She's still very young, She's
had to learn her craft on the international stage, which
is the harshest environmentable but I think she's a tough
cookie and she's still hanging in there, and she just
needs to bat with someone who's going to be quite
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hard on her too and really mold her innings because
she can belt it. And yeah, of course one or
more from Amelian I just didn't get it. So lots
of disappointments and I guess unanswered questions. But how we
shape that next group of players is going to really
be important to develop the side and build a team
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around that, Emily.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
What also about the bowling It looked very anemic and
samey and not like any of the other attacks in
the entire tournament. It was a left arm spin tournament,
you know. And if you went through every side, we
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had Flora Devonshire who was new, but she unfortunately got
injured and had to go back home. And if you
look at the number of place versus spin, ninety seven
wickets fell to pace throughout that tournament and one hundred
and forty three wickets fell to spin.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
And why did.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
We then send Hannah Roeback to join the other six
right arm medium fast places. We already had the side
to who mayor occur Divine, Baits even and Halliday. What
have we got no other spinners at all?
Speaker 7 (22:20):
We had friend Jonas.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yes, but she wasn't selected.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
No, and she's had to go back to the drawing
board and spend a bit of time remodeling her action.
So New Zealand Cricket and High Performance Singer decided to
take her out of playing the game try and get
a little bit more confidence because she's completely lost her actions.
So they decided to just give her that this tour off.
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It just was not going to give her any benefit.
So she's working with Donovan and Groppolo back in Auckland.
Hopefully she'll come back into things. But you're right, we
missed a really good trio of spin. We just didn't
look like we could really Again, I feel like we're
just an anonymous We were just you know, finishing six
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is almost too good for us. We didn't really do anything.
I felt like we didn't have a plan or we
just we didn't or we couldn't execute whatever plan it
was with any pressure. There was no pressure and possibly
that comes. It's a batsmess game from not having enough
runs or not having beliefs. So it's almost like it's
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the same side that won the World Cup last year.
So where is it gone? How did that evaporate? How
did that confidence evaporate? But we don't have the depth,
and this is what I'm saying, that base group of
players is not there.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
We don't.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
We had a fragile foundation to build our domestic and
international cricket teams around.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
The talent seems to be there emily in terms of
the young people we've just talked about, it's a matter
of being positive and giving them positive opportunities. Isn't it,
Because as you say, it's going to be a hard
couple of years in terms of transition for this game.
But the opportunities have got to be there, and we've
got the players you can take those opportunities if we
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can encourage them enough.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Absolutely, Like New New Zealand Cricket have committed to under
seventeen's national Tourlniament for the first time ever, which is great.
Traditionally just been a north Land event. So that's a
really good opportunity for these players. And the pathway is
there for these girls to really chase, you know, wanting
to play for the White Ferns. You've got the World
Cup under nineteen for a woman, which is great. All
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going well that I might have some involvement in that
either way, it's fine, but you've got the pathway there
for these girls and the stepond starts. You've got the
investment now from New Zealand Cricket. Is it the same
as other big countries. No, and it probably never will be.
But it's a heck of a lot better than what
it was. So I just feel like we've bottoming out,
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if you know what I mean. We're bottoming out and
I sently see a rosy future for these players. But
we've got to eke the best out of these players,
you know, We've really got to make sure that we
get the best out of them, expose them to some
pretty tough levels of cricket. Let's go to Australia. We
should be playing Australia under nineties every year. We should
be going there for a month and playing against them,
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you know, on hard fast surfaces, taking fifteen their two
twenties one day as in a long in a three
day game. Wouldn't that be fantastic over three weeks.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, the sort of experience that those young ladies would
enjoy and would appreciate. I'm sure interesting to talk about
the women's game. We just want to move on to
a couple of other things, even if you've got a
few extra minutes, and you might want to add any
comments about the current T twenty series that is impressed
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would have been made of it safe. I'm irrespective of
the outright result of the series. It's been pretty close
and there's been some inconsistency, but you know, it's apart
from Eden Park, and I don't want to be down
on Eden Park. It's grabbed a lot of spectator attention,
hasn't it.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Yeah, we really enjoyed watching cracket. I felt that Australian
series was too soon for New Zealand weather, and we
obviously saw what happened there, but I felt like we
were that was quite a tough start the summer and
I feel like I think I underestimated the West Indies.
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I actually didn't think they were going to be as
testing as what they are. They can all bat and
small grounds, you know they can. They're chipping it over
the top and I love the way that they have
fought so hard and as Jerry said, you've got to
be able to bat at eight, nine and ten. It's
really clear that you've got to have all the skills
in the game. I thought New Zealand caught pretty well
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a few sky high catchers that Chapman is caught, but
as you say, inconsistencies and they seem I see so
far that we want to back the same Hawks and
give them a long run up because obviously the World
Cup cut up Conway has been given a long run.
You've got Chapman who's been given a long run. You've
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got Jimmy Nisham who can't seem to be left out.
So you've got a lot of players that are big backed,
and I'm hoping that we're having backed the wrong horse.
And we've got a lot of talent in this country
at the moment, so people should be knocking down that
door pretty excited with where we are. And then the
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one day format, which I prefer myself, but that's a
true test of where things sit as far as international
playing fields.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Somebody were there after our own heart hear me enjoys
the one day format rather than the T twenty. I
presume that's what you were saying.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Emily.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
That's right, absolutely, because it's just head and giggle, you know.
So all it takes is one person to have a
good day and the game's decided. Along with the format
is a truer test of actually the size capability and
the ultimate test cricket.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Of course.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Yeah, it's instant food, isn't it really. It's it's forgettable too,
you know. Can we remember T twenty matches a year ago?
Can we remember them three months ago? They're okay at
the time, but it's, as I say, it's for the moment.
I think we've got we've developed some some you know, depth.
(28:33):
I think the A tours have really helped that that
we've been going on, we've now developed, you know, for
the openers, we can have ciphered Robinson or fin Allen
if you like Revendra as a possibility, if you want
to play him up there. He seems to be again
pushing the envelope almost so you're just almost reckless playing
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those kinds of shots. Mitchell has now turned into the
new Williamson for me in a sense. You know, he
stays around and plays a slightly different role in bats.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
You bat with me, You bat with me, and.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
I'll push this around and I'll still play my big
shots as well.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Phillips has yet to return. Of course.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Bracewell needs a good long innings to in my mind
somewhere to get some form and a bit more confidence.
Sentner is striking it so easily and sweetly at the
moment Man. And then you get into our bowlers, it
would look as though to me Wadds that Bracewell and
Sanna would be there, and so degoing maybe to Asia
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might be a possibility as well. And then we're going
to get into I mean Chapman. We haven't mentioned Chapman,
so I mean, he's another one. So and then you
get into the bowling. Is it going to be Ferguson
in the desk if he's a fit? Henry and Duffy.
So we've got lots of names as well, and so
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I think as long as we play sensibly, you know
we've got we've got always outside chance. But I mean
the whole format itself is one that you cannot predict
who's going to win on the day.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
On the front foot with Brian Waddle and Jeremy Coney
along with Razi one key we made Paints and Stains.
Have the pleasure to welcome the voice of Caribbean Crickets
on the radio anyway, has his own radio show, Mason
and guests every week in the Caribbean, Andrew Mason, who's
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been with us before. And it's nice to have you
with us. Andrew. I suppose you're watching New Zealand and
cricket being played here pretty closely at the moment.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
I am indeed certainly enjoying it.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
There were some pretty close battles so far and New
Zealand up front, some disappointments for us Roderford needs to
get some runs and that has been a problem for us,
and of course Jorssin, who normally is very good with
his left eye spinner's been very expensive and we note
that King hasn't really done too much at all.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
But on the positive side, of course, she hope. I
think his.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Captain to say, pretty well, he's a world class player.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
The bowling has looked pretty pretty, pretty decent, but overall
it's been very competitive so far.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, irrespective of the outcome of the series, they have
been close games. I just wonder if you've seen it
the same as us. Both sides have been a little
bit inconsistent and haven't been able to put their foot
on the throat, so to speak, and be ruthless pushing
for victory.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
Yeah. I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
In fact, the closeness of the games would suggest that
anyone could have won. I mean, certainly when you look
at the first one, the West Indies were able to
defend or score just around one hundred and sixty five.
And I not been interested the West Cindy's. They like
this idea of actually balling last. But I like to
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see the best in these back first, because you know,
I don't think they had the scoreboard pressure as well
as other teams, but there's this tendency to try and
bowl first, and if you note the New Zealanders in
terms of defending scores, were able to do it pretty well.
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I thought Kyle Jamison certainly held his nerve, you know,
despike infringing in the third game and sixteen runs and
he certainly varied his pace quite well and the end
you were able to get home. But the inconsistency is
a problem for best indies cricket. I spoke about it.
King has been very inconsistent, you know, rosst and Chase
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quite strange he didn't play in the last game. And
I really feel the West need to play Jaden Seals
because you know, I believe brand that we don't take
the old question of wick it taking as seriously in
a tea turney cricket as we should. And certainly the
best things have got someone like a Jaden Seals.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Who should be used to try to get the case.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
But overall I would say that Hold has been okay,
Shepherd a bit expensive, but it's a dangerous player. Towards
the end of the endings with the bat and the
disappointment really has been a left arm spinner Hossein, who
has been charted all about the place by the New
Zealand batsman.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know that they used them
as well as they might have, but you know, that's
the white ball crow.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That's a good point because, in fact, if you not,
he normally opens the bowling for the West Indies and
then told the games he was a six ball to
use and what was of great interest a brand was
and then the last game that the player, he actually
opened the bolling.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
So you're right, they don't seem to know what to
do with him.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, they've got some early eyes to come. And then
it's the test matches, which we're basically going to talk
to you about, Andrew, because we haven't seen a test squad.
You mentioned Jaden Seals. I just wonder whether he's being
used spearingly in preparation for that. And the fact that
two of your trump cards, so to speak, in Alzari
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Joseph and Shama Joseph are on the injured list. Are
they likely to be here?
Speaker 8 (34:31):
No? No, no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
That is a is it problem certainly for us in
relation to the whole question of him.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
He's injured.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Shamar Diarry Joseph is also injured as well, and the
reality they're going to have them and that is a
major blow because as you know, they've done pretty well
for the best cities in recent times. I'm hearing that
Keemar Roach is going to be going. I know that
there was some thought that his career was over. But
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given the fact that Shamar Joseph and as Harry Joseph
will not be coming to New Zealand, I'm told that
Keemar Roch, the veteran, is going to be coming to
your side of the world.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Well, he's been successful in New Zealand in the past
and he would enjoy the conditions because some of the
seemings you've got, and particularly those two quicker ones, would
have enjoyed the New Zealand conditions. So who is likely
to join Roach and Seals with the new ball.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Well, that's a good question. Of course.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
You've got Jason Holder, you know, who hasn't played in
a while. Some speculation that perhaps he's fallen off a
flip favor with the those who picked the side. There's
a fastballer from Jamaican coll Ages Seals who is not bad.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
He's not bad at all.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Is twenty nine and in the regional tournament ball pretty
well and is actually in the cadeby no. In fact,
they preparing some of the cricketers know in Antigua to
go off to.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Uh To to New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
So it's a major blow for us, there's no question
about that. Keemar wrote, has you know served West in
his cricket pretty well but in recent times not getting
the same kind of success that you would have been
looking for. I would think that Philip is going to
also play as well, Anderson Phillip.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
He's been around for some time.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
So it looks as if we're gonna have Roach Anderson Phillip,
if the player Shields who is from Jamaica, and possibly
Jason Hold. So it means that Warkan, the left arm
spinner will be there uh good insurance motives, having some
challenges with injury, and he may very well get into
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the site. But I, like you, I'm very very surprised
that they have not named the Test squalders yet.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I'll have to get on the plane very shortly. I
guess the batting lineup the first Test in India, the
most recent Test that have been played wasn't the best
for the Westerndis. But that second Test, when Shay Hope
and Campbell both got centuries, we started to see the
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top order. But again I think there's a consistency problem
there with other players. You need others to stand up.
We know how good Campbell and Hope can be, and
we've seen the likes of Rost and Chase in the past,
but he's not the kind of player. Greeves is another
one who has done well. What about other batsmen in
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the top order, Well.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
You'll hit the neil. I mean, there's no questions about that.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
In terms of our challenges, I mean you've got chunder
Paul who has been very inconsistent. He I suppose because
of the fact that you know, it would appear as
if they're very finished. No with Greig Breathwick. But we
have a big, big challenge, there's no question about that.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
King.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I know that the coach Darren Sammy reckons that he's
a good red ball player against Australia. Got seventy five
in Bobbers, but ever since then he has not done
well in red ball cricket or white ball cricket, and
hence he's been dropped from the side Atanez is an
interesting player and you know, one that we believe could
do well in the future.
Speaker 8 (38:28):
I understand that Kevin Hodge, who.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Really has been given a raw deal by the selectors,
is going to be coming back in to this side up.
Actually he's an Antigua. You remember when the West Sities
went to England, he made one hundred and certainly performed
pretty well in Australia, and yet when the Australians came
up to the Caribbean he did not make the side
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and that certainly was something that surprised us.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
All.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Lak, a nice little keeper from Dana, made his debut
in Pakistan. Expect him to keep because she Hope more
than likely be bad at four and I like the
idea of share hope just batting only in in the
Test matters. And of course you've got the captain in
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rost and chess, so that I think will be the
nucleus of the team.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
What about this player Pierre who sort of come from
nowhere and has had the opportunities. Is there room for
him in the squad or will he be overtaken by
the likes of the war Aken, Rust and Chase involved
spin of course, and Murty you were mentioning earlier.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think he's gonna make it.
He's essentially, you know, a white ball baller.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I mean he's done very well in regional cricket and
forced his way into the best and he said because
he had a very good campaign in the regional cricket.
But you know, once Morti is fit of course that
the number one spinner out is war Can and you've
got rost and chairs, so I really can't see U
Pier making.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Yes, I don't think spinners are going to be the
requirement in New Zealand conditions, particularly on the pictures that
they're going to be playing at the Other question, is
Darren Sammy a lot of experience, he's been here before.
I'm glad he doesn't have to fly too many times
into Wellington because I was on a plane with him
once when he said he would never fly into Wellington
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ever again. So he's going to have to do it
once or else he's going to have to come across
on the ferry. He was very, very anxious on that occasion.
But I read a lot about Darren Sammy. Is he
not universally accepted or liked by the cricket fans there
as the number one coach.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
Well, that's a very very good question.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
In fact, only recently the president of Cricket Western's doctor
kish Or Shallow, made a stunning statement. He said that
the reason why Sammy is being criticized because he's a
solution and that certainly created a big stir across the Caribbean.
You know, I suppose you know, when you're not successful,
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people believe that our roads would lead to the course.
But the reality is, in terms of qualifications, Sammy really
is not that qualified to actually be caught to the
West in his side. And I think it was influenced
because of the fact that he actually captained the West
in these team successfully into World Cups. That would be
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his claim to fame. But in relation to tactics, in
relation to support across the Caribbean, I would say it's
rather rather low.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Well, they've got a chance to pick themselves up three
tests in a row. It doesn't happen that often. Besides,
like New Zealand or the West Indies that they have
three tasters that I mean, they seem to have to
settle for a couple and then call it a series.
So in New Zealand conditions, it'll be a chance for
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this West Indian side to get some momentum back into
their Test match game because I think there were signs
of that against India. Goodness, they came pretty close to
forcing them to chase. You know, well over two hundred
was those centuries that they were scored. But I'm sure
some of these younger players would like to see the
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Test match going back to the level that it was.
It's going to take some work, of course, isn't it.
We've spoken about this before.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, and you know, I am not inspired, I must admit.
I know when they see it across the Caribbean people
are very upset with me. I believe that, oh West
Indian batsmen are not good at fast balling at all
and you know what Wagner did to them the last
time he played against them, and that really is a problem.
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And until West Indian batsmen are able to handle fast
ball and again, I think we're going to struggle. As
you know, the house Cindia is the best in his cricket.
You had Caddy, Tehran and Lloyd and these guys hooking
and pulling. Nowadays our West Indian batsman that aggressive fast
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balling from square egg and that is a major problem.
I saw them against Australia only recently. They were very
aggressive against the West Indians and it is a major
problem that we've got. We do not have a lot
of batsmen who are technically equipped to handle aggressive fast balling.
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And based on that I expect New Zealand to win
all three Test matches because I'm sure you've got fast ballers.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
All right, Well, thank you very much for your time.
Lovely to talk to you again. I'm sure we will
catch up in the very near future and be able
to discuss the one dayers and the Test series at
some SiGe over the next month or so.
Speaker 8 (44:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Always a pleasure to be with you on the front
foot with water and cony.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Finally, this week, remember this, Emily, do you remember Brisbane
nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 8 (44:15):
This week?
Speaker 4 (44:16):
In fact, in nineteen eighty five, do you have.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
A memory of that?
Speaker 7 (44:21):
Years? This pat was nine fifty four.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah, nine for fifty two. That's right, yep, not bad
with good on here Willis is the captain who tossed
the coin, called correctly Jerry, and you decided to put
them in.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
Why did you do that?
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Why did I put them in watch. Yes, well, I
thought it was our best chance of winning the game.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Good answer.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
That's a fairly obvious answer, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
I mean it was a sign of a murky kind
of day the gabber actually, and you know, cloud cover down,
and it was about this time of year, as you say,
that's why I guess we're remembering it. And we had
had a really good, good solid build up, played four
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matches and we'd played we've actually played on the Gabba
just the game before, so we were already in our hotel,
already in the changing shed, all set out, ready to go,
and had practiced there. So all the batsmen had got
about one hundred so at some point leading up to that,
and all the bowlers had had a decent set of
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spells behind them as well, so we'd got used to
the depths for standing for in the slips cordon. We
had good plans and order, we'd had decent meetings, and
we'd had fun as well together.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
So I felt that everything led to if there is.
Speaker 6 (45:50):
Something in this pitch, our best chance of winning the
game is to Richard, and so we won the toss
and bold as the answer to your question, and within
a couple of overs. Paddles went through two or three
plans and bowled a short one and there was Hildris,
you know, Hilditch or whatever his name was, the opener
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hooking down one down to chats at fine leg who
was still awake at that stage and took the catch comfortably.
Speaker 9 (46:21):
So had he to boon get the edge of course,
second to be up caught by Cody.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Now it's Hadley who takes up the attack.
Speaker 9 (46:27):
Border swings at this and it goes be caught on
the outside. You can get hold of that ball.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Hadley goes in in short it's caught, caught.
Speaker 9 (46:37):
A third clip, well he goes Hadley again and he's.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
Right through the gate a few deep.
Speaker 9 (46:43):
New balled you after eighty five, and I think in
a moment he'd be hoping to get some wickets before that.
Well he's bowling scream bowls. Wayne Phillips with Hadley bowls,
gets the edge caught by Cody. A second flip Hadley
away from us. It's balled to Holland down the leap,
hard feel the port post the wicked.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
He's out.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Holland is out.
Speaker 9 (47:03):
So Hadley takes his ninth wicket caught five round at
short forward square, Australia all out for one hundred and
seventy nine. Holland out without scoring, caught by Brown after
bowling of Padley, Padley taking his nine wicket and the
figure of nine for fifty two.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
The one thing I remember about the whole game was
that Peddles got nine and he could catch off Vaughan Brown.
Thorn Brown correct test work it. If I had nine wickets,
I probably would have dropped it. I know Padels wouldn't have,
but if I had, if I had nine, I.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
Agree, cos you should have spilled the catch, taken the glory.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
He wasn't like that, you guys. You guys can talk
like He was not like that. He did not like
making mistakes. Actually it was a bloody good catch too,
he had he was fielding mid on and it was
hit behind him so he had to turn and run
with his back to the pitch and take it over
his shoulder. And we've seen lots of catches drop like
that won by Jamison in the last T twenty.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
That's why I can remember it.
Speaker 8 (48:10):
So you know.
Speaker 6 (48:12):
But nine's okay, guys, isn't it? Nine for fifty two?
And then the next part wads was terrific, wasn't it?
Decent start, then a big partnership, a huge partnership between jf.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Reed Rido.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
And Hogan, so one getting nearly two hundred and the
other one getting over one hundred, which was a really
important hundred for John Reid. He had to convince himself
he could play on bouncy wickets, brilliant player of spin
bowling and had scored hundreds against India and India and Pakistan,
and yet he hadn't you know. The gabble was a
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bouncy pitch, so that was a really and he spent
a lot of time with Turner handling the short ball
and where the hands went and so on. So terrific partnership.
And we batted for a long time, and we slowly
increased the tempo of the first things. And when Paddles
came in, he smashed them, he smashed them, and it
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got dark and got darker and darker and darker, and
Paddles was asking for the lights to be turned off,
you know at some stage, So you know, it was
just a perfect game for us.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Actually, yes, indeed, the things that our memories are made of,
and we look forward to more memories like that. Emily,
thanks very much for joining us and sharing as your thoughts.
It's nice to hear the game from a women's perspective.
I know people look at us met and say, you know,
give the women a chance, but it's always nice to
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hear the views of a former player and an expert
at the game. And we look forward to perhaps talking
to you again when we get the opportunity to see
how the women's game is progressing in terms of its
transition that you talked about earlier.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
No worse, guys enjoyed the chat.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
And you'll be You'll be doing some commentary I understand
this year, Is that right?
Speaker 7 (50:12):
Yes, yep, Yeah, I've got the chance to do on
the Wendy's tests and Hamilton, which is pretty exciting. So
not Hamilton bay Oval.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
Yeah, a lot of tests will be together. We're going
to talk a lot together, Emily. I can see that
that would be great.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
I'm all up for that, well so am I. But
it's time to come to a end on this occasion.
Thanks very much, Emily. Thanks Jerry once more for your
contribution as ever, and look forward to coming weeks anyway
on the front. Thanks very much.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Cheers, nice cheers, Emily.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Summer.
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Speaker 4 (00:48):
Hello, nice to have you again on the front court
with us, also with Ravie one. Here we made paints
and stains. Despite the match results, the black Cats have
struggled for T twenty. Consistency Is consistency necessary in a
cricket lottery like the Tea twenty. Some players still to
confirm the spots because of the injuries. What of the
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West Indies contributed to the series? Our White Ferns have
failed in India, finished outside the top four. How do
we get back to that top echelon? How did I
remember this? One of our great test performances. And the
special guest has joined us this week, Jeremy, nice to
have with us. Emily Drumm, former Whitefern who has a
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very close knowledge of the women's game, and it'd be
nice to get some ideas from her. As long as
your memory is working back to nineteen eighty five as well,
we should have a complete success of the day's program.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
I'll do my best. Ones.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Good to chat to you once again, and hello Emily,
and welcome and thanks for being on with us and
putting I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I think some.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
Knowledge perhaps is the word to the women's game, so
we'll look really looking forward to that.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
Thanks guys to sharing the thoughts and where I think
we can see a way forward. Such an exciting type
of the woman's game. So happy to share how we
think we can get at least back at the top
table exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
That's what we want to be a bit positive too,
it's not a negative point of view. We've had an
email from Jeff who sent us at an email to on
the Front Foot twenty gmail dot com and he said
he enjoys listening to the podcast, which is great, and
he also pointed to the white ferns and finishing sixth
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at the World Cup. I fear for our team. Wants Sophie,
Susie Bates and a lead to who called it today?
Amelia Kerr can't do it all and has had perhaps
underperformed at this tournament. He suggests that Halliday and Plummer
of Sean that they have a bright future, and I
suggest too that as he Gas is probably another one.
(03:03):
But we need a bit more consistency, in a bit
more form. Jeff adds, I don't like having a crack
at the ladies and I doubt that it helps, but
they are at least semi professional and so warrant and opinion.
That's fair enough. It's nice to be able to talk
along those issues.
Speaker 8 (03:19):
Emily.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I read an article in The crick and Fox about
the money spent on the international teams and it said
something along the lines of, you know, the Australian team
had nineteen million spent on them, England fifteen million, New
Zealand to two point twenty seven. Not sure about the
accuracy of those figures, but I suppose it tells us
that money has contributed to the success of those sides.
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It hasn't bought a World Cup for Australia the money
they spent, but they got into the top four. Money's
not everything, is it. There needs to be something more
for the women's game to encourage it and help it
reach its potential.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Do you agree one hundred percent? Money is certainly not everything,
and I don't believe those numbers for one moment. Every
nation will have their budget and certainly I'll be shocked
if it was that high for those top nations. But
money will not buy us a World Cup. It's as
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simple as that. They just we don't have the player pool.
We don't have enough players playing the game right from
the grassroots to push the cream to the top faster.
We don't have enough. The spread of our players are
so thin. Once the players leave, say for example, they're
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going to an international fixture and there's domestic cricket on,
we lose the We lose such a big caliber of player.
So the gap between the white ferns to the next
group of players down, which is our domestic level, and
then down to your your nineteen's, seventeens domestic and then
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club and school gears, the gap and drop and ability
is so high. So you just don't have enough of
a player to fill that base. And we're trying to
make professional athletes out of just slim pickings. That's really
the truth of the matter. Yes, we're going to miss
those big name players. We certainly are there are. It's
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not all doom and gloom, don't get me wrong, but
we're in a transition. We're probably five to ten years
away from really being a cemented top four side. And
don't forget all the other sides like the South Africas
are going to want a succession plan because they're almost
in the sane boat. They're going to lose a couple
of those top players over the next They're already losing some,
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but they will lose like the Marizone Cats, who is
a world class player, Susie and Sophie, you know, great duo.
But we have players waiting to come in, but they
just need to play more cricket. And we're trying to
grow that NZA program. We're trying to broaden that base
of under seventeens and nineteens players, which is a space
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I'm involved in personally, so I see it firsthand. Where
we're at. We've got a lot of work to do.
We've got a lot of catching up to do on
a limited budget. Least be fair, we don't have the
deep pockets and that's going to always be our challenge
is finding that balance of performance.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
For what we've spent just before Jerry asked the question, Emily,
my bugbear is the quality of cricket that we're playing.
I believe that some of the money should be spent.
I know it's costly on a longer format program, a
first class type of program, some red ball cricket to
give these players a chance to establish skills. Is that
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a fair point. Yes?
Speaker 7 (06:50):
And no, Australia don't have a red ball format. No
country has a red ball format yet, so you're getting
Australia playing the ashes and South Africa played a Test
series against Australia last year, India getting in on the act.
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I don't know if that's the answer. I'm not sure. Yes,
I want fifty overs. I mean you can play a
two day format. Surely you can play a two day
format and cap the maximum amount of overs for the
first first innings. We used to play that many years ago,
so that that could be a hybrid. We've got like
a three day format where you've got a two day
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and then one day to finish, so you're actually stripping
one of the one days out of because at the
moment the Hally Burton Shield is played over. Helly Burton
Johnson's Shield has played over two days, so you got
back to back one day is so you could steal
another day. There are semi professional athletes, by the way,
so they can we can steal another day. That could
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be one way of a bit of a hybrid and
fill that gap as you're saying around the longer format.
So we've got players betting for time. I want to
see hundred a lot of the quality of the World Cup.
Outstanding batsmanship for the first time, you've got three hundred
being regularly passed. And the quality of betting was fantastic.
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Sadly New Zealand's betting was not up to the mark
and sadly our borling wasn't good enough either.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yeah, now look, look, I thought that the Women's World
Cup was a good story.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Actually I enjoyed it.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
I thought India after losing three in a row, then
they managed to beat New Zealand, Australia and South Africa,
and you do wonder about the future and the young
Indian girls who may have seen a new chance that
exists for them now. And they have a Women's Ipl
of course for the current players in addition to international cricket.
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So for a tournament that began on who on Earth
can beat Australia. The two semis seriously watchable matches, I thought,
and that's not being patronizing at all. The range of shots,
you know, and the death bowling out of the back
of the hand, slower balls, great athleticism, diving at the boundary,
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flicking the ball back, checked, drives over the top, reverse
laps and cuts and the catching was about the only
thing that sort of let it down.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
But some very serious batting. Wasn't a perfect tournament.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Washouts in Colombo, confusing schedules were through them monsoon and
that sort of thing. Why didn't they plan in the mornings.
It was a pretty grim watch actually that part of
the tournament.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
But it was.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Saved by the knockout phase. I think probably even of
South Africa had won, it wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Would have been good.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
You know, they were bowled out for sixty in the
first game, weren't they, So they were pretty resilient.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Actually, look, I just I feel India.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
And Australia are a little bit better at the moment,
particularly India with the batting, and then Africa in England
and we are behind that. And I guess it's a
question of what do we do now because we're going
to lose the captain, We're going to lose probably Bates
(10:23):
and to Whoho. It seems to me the reliance and
that model on two to three players can't see us through.
It feels like the old men's game through the fifties
and the sixties when we had Read and Suckler. But
through the seventies we started to develop some New Zealand
based players like Hastings and Burgess, Pongden Taylor.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Those kinds of people, and we did it.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Through the eighties we had Hadley and Crowe, but we
had Edgar and Smith and Bracewood and jf Reed and
so on and Chatfield. We've not to somehow raise the
level of our New Zealand based players. How do we
do that? Because I do since we've got lots of
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young players in our women's side, you know, a lot
at twenty one, twenty two Breillings, twenty two, you go
to twenty four with Eden Carson, you go to twenty
five with you know, Amelia Ker. What are we going
to do and our coaching? Now that's you, Emily, So
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you tell me about that because I need to be
convinced we are not going to fall away.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Well, I need to break it to you that we
will fall away a little bit. We have to accept
that while this is going to be our biggest rebuild
since two thousand, we have to accept that you're going
to see a big chunk fall away in the next
year or two. One already we know about so we
just have to accept things are the way that they
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are now. And my job is to teach these girls
how to bat and I'm in batsmanship, learning how to
vibe in the cauldure and learning how to formulate your innings.
How can I survive, score runs, how can I dominate?
How can I lead the team with my batting? So
that's that's my job over the next sort of twelve
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to twenty four months in terms of where I fit
in the piece. There are other Lauren down There are
other players that are on the scene that will come
through and we will see them rise over the next
twelve to twenty four months.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
But you.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Just really want people to just understand that there will
be a transition. We have to accept that there is
a plan laid out. High performance certainly have players that
we have ear marked. There's some fantastic good players coming
through in the nineteens group, but they're still very young.
So a diet of cricket, play lots of cricket, make
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lots of mistakes, learn how to deal problem solve all
those sorts of things as cricketers, learn how to be
professional cricketer, train properly, go and play half season in
the UK. So just trying to have that landscape so
that we can foster these players as fast as possible
given the playing field that they need to expedite their
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skill sets so that we can reach the ceiling that
they have as fast as possible. And there's going to
be growing pains, guys, there is, sadly, but that's where
we are at. We've got some good people on the
ground coaching. We're at Craig McMillan. You know, we've got
some really good people involved in the game. Donno, Grobola
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and Auckland hearts doing this thing, so there will be
plenty of challenges for these gives. We've still got a
good core of players, right, Yes, merely was quiet during
this World Cup, which is a complete contrast the last
year's see twenty heights. Just chalk and cheese and I'm
not sure what and why that was the case, because
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I thought outside we're actually quite fresh and probably underdone
a little bit. I know some of the players went
over to Indian had a had a camp or two
for quite a while trying to acclimatize, spend time facing
all sorts of spin bowling men, women, and all sorts
of things. So we saw some good play, but just
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not for long enough, and washouts hurt us. I like
what Brooke Holliday brought. I like as he gaze looks
to have really gone up another gear. Bowling looks a
concern for me though, Yes there to her who will
be a big loss. But we still have some good
players coming through that we need to blend in and
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give them game time. That's what I want to say.
Give these players game time. It's not take fifteen to
World Cup and play the same eleven every time. That's
not going to grow anyone's career. So opportunities for these
girls to play as what.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I would like to see you talk about developing the
batting talents. I think we shall or some skills in Halliday,
in Plymber and Gays and a couple of other players
to some extent, I think probably their mental application was
probably a little short, trying to play reverse sweeps a
little bit too early, or playing some of these shots
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that are low percentage rather than work the ball into
gaps or try and turn dot balls into singles in
some of those areas. Is that an area that needs
to be worked on as well as the batting skills.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
It's mental application, isn't it? In concentration, sticking to your
game plan. Do you get that right? All those fancy shots,
we can't all be Phoebe Litchfield, one of the best
reverse sweepers, can sweep all around the park, terrible to
bowl to because you just can't set really good fields
because she finds a way to get it to the boundary.
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But I'm sore firm believer in all the rasmetas or
the bush bashing, slow and steady can still win the race.
It can still get us to the heights. You've got
to have a top five batsman getting your hundreds, and
that hundred might come off one hundred and twenty one
hundred and thirty balls. So what if you've got other
people at the end that can get you a quick
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fifty of thirty balls or so, You're still going to
get those good high two hundred, three hundred plus totals.
You still those sorts of players, the heather Nights of
the world, who's incredibly stable. Simple player, can lap, can
reverse sititch, you can do those. But with simple thought
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processes and making good cricket decisions. That's where we're lacking,
those good smarts that you need to actually get. You
won't get hundreds if you keep making mental errors. So
reinforcing game plans. Is this the right shot? Keep it
simple and try and execute your game plan what I
tell every player. But I still see that the top
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group of players in New Zealand still need to do that.
It's a hard it's probably the hardest part of it
game to master.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
I wonder, you know, I watched New Zealand bat and
I just wondered, were they too timid at the start
of the first power play.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
I realize what.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
You're saying, but bits, Plimmer and Kerr had a strike
rate combined of sixty four, you know, and if you
compare that probably to our next two, which might be
South Africa and maybe England rather than India and Australia.
For example, Jones Beaumont and had a Knight had a
strike rate of eighty five, and Wi Brits and Loose
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had a strike rate of eighty six. Now we have
got we cannot just keep pushing the ball back to
the bowler or to cover or to midwicket or mid on.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
We were run out.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
We're in the first game with a stroke to mid
on because someone was ball watching. So I mean, I
don't feel And then that's fine if you're slow ish,
but you've got to go on to get fifties and
hundreds in order to have partnerships and what you're saying
to make a bit of a difference. And if you
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look at those other sides, England had of their top three,
one of them got one hundred and they had four
fifties from those top three, and South Africa had three
hundreds and six fifties from those top three. New Zealand
no hundreds, no fifties. That makes a hell of a
difference and puts it passes on all the hope of
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an innings to the middle order, and thank heavens, we
got a few runs there. But then we get to
eight and nine and exactly the same thing happens. And
this was a tournament where number eights were doing Okay,
So you look at eight and nine, Charlie Dean and
Sophie Eggleston, they got their totals. They got one hundred
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and forty two runs with the strike raid of sixty eight.
South Africa three hundred and eighty four runs with a
strike rate of one hundred and ten Zealand eight and nine.
That's basically Jess kerrn to who fifty two runs, strike
rate of eighty six. Now the eighty six doesn't matter
because they're out so quickly at all. I mean, you
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get four runs off two balls, you've got a strike
rate of two hundred, doesn't matter, you see. So we
have got some problems right through our sort of our
bottom order seven eight or is he gazed at okay?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Eight and nine.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
They've got to be able to score runs nowadays, and
the top three, certainly our top four in ODI cricket,
there's the bulk of your runs.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Can't disagree with anything you say, only Jerry, you know,
Mady crank Green quiet after a brilliant twelve month period
for here. So there's lots of one and answered questions
for me, and certainly not enough contributions from any of
the top order. Yes, Sophie started the tournament really strongly,
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just nothing much else in a fifty year and a
fifty there. That's just not going to win you any
games of cricket. And you're right, you can't be pedestrian
at the top of the order. That that's not what
I want. But our technique is barely survivable from what
I saw with our opening batsman and Susie just looked
so out of sort. So I just feel like now's
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the time. It's a changing of the guard. And yes,
Georgia Plummer is the future at the top of the order,
and she will get better. She's still very young, She's
had to learn her craft on the international stage, which
is the harshest environmentable but I think she's a tough
cookie and she's still hanging in there, and she just
needs to bat with someone who's going to be quite
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hard on her too and really mold her innings because
she can belt it. And yeah, of course one or
more from Amelian I just didn't get it. So lots
of disappointments and I guess unanswered questions. But how we
shape that next group of players is going to really
be important to develop the side and build a team
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around that, Emily.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
What also about the bowling It looked very anemic and
samey and not like any of the other attacks in
the entire tournament. It was a left arm spin tournament,
you know. And if you went through every side, we
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had Flora Devonshire who was new, but she unfortunately got
injured and had to go back home. And if you
look at the number of place versus spin, ninety seven
wickets fell to pace throughout that tournament and one hundred
and forty three wickets fell to spin.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
And why did.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
We then send Hannah Roeback to join the other six
right arm medium fast places. We already had the side
to who mayor occur Divine, Baits even and Halliday. What
have we got no other spinners at all?
Speaker 7 (22:20):
We had friend Jonas.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yes, but she wasn't selected.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
No, and she's had to go back to the drawing
board and spend a bit of time remodeling her action.
So New Zealand Cricket and High Performance Singer decided to
take her out of playing the game try and get
a little bit more confidence because she's completely lost her actions.
So they decided to just give her that this tour off.
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It just was not going to give her any benefit.
So she's working with Donovan and Groppolo back in Auckland.
Hopefully she'll come back into things. But you're right, we
missed a really good trio of spin. We just didn't
look like we could really Again, I feel like we're
just an anonymous We were just you know, finishing six
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is almost too good for us. We didn't really do anything.
I felt like we didn't have a plan or we
just we didn't or we couldn't execute whatever plan it
was with any pressure. There was no pressure and possibly
that comes. It's a batsmess game from not having enough
runs or not having beliefs. So it's almost like it's
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the same side that won the World Cup last year.
So where is it gone? How did that evaporate? How
did that confidence evaporate? But we don't have the depth,
and this is what I'm saying, that base group of
players is not there.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
We don't.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
We had a fragile foundation to build our domestic and
international cricket teams around.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
The talent seems to be there emily in terms of
the young people we've just talked about, it's a matter
of being positive and giving them positive opportunities. Isn't it,
Because as you say, it's going to be a hard
couple of years in terms of transition for this game.
But the opportunities have got to be there, and we've
got the players you can take those opportunities if we
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can encourage them enough.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Absolutely, Like New New Zealand Cricket have committed to under
seventeen's national Tourlniament for the first time ever, which is great.
Traditionally just been a north Land event. So that's a
really good opportunity for these players. And the pathway is
there for these girls to really chase, you know, wanting
to play for the White Ferns. You've got the World
Cup under nineteen for a woman, which is great. All
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going well that I might have some involvement in that
either way, it's fine, but you've got the pathway there
for these girls and the stepond starts. You've got the
investment now from New Zealand Cricket. Is it the same
as other big countries. No, and it probably never will be.
But it's a heck of a lot better than what
it was. So I just feel like we've bottoming out,
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if you know what I mean. We're bottoming out and
I sently see a rosy future for these players. But
we've got to eke the best out of these players,
you know, We've really got to make sure that we
get the best out of them, expose them to some
pretty tough levels of cricket. Let's go to Australia. We
should be playing Australia under nineties every year. We should
be going there for a month and playing against them,
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you know, on hard fast surfaces, taking fifteen their two
twenties one day as in a long in a three
day game. Wouldn't that be fantastic over three weeks.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, the sort of experience that those young ladies would
enjoy and would appreciate. I'm sure interesting to talk about
the women's game. We just want to move on to
a couple of other things, even if you've got a
few extra minutes, and you might want to add any
comments about the current T twenty series that is impressed
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would have been made of it safe. I'm irrespective of
the outright result of the series. It's been pretty close
and there's been some inconsistency, but you know, it's apart
from Eden Park, and I don't want to be down
on Eden Park. It's grabbed a lot of spectator attention,
hasn't it.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
Yeah, we really enjoyed watching cracket. I felt that Australian
series was too soon for New Zealand weather, and we
obviously saw what happened there, but I felt like we
were that was quite a tough start the summer and
I feel like I think I underestimated the West Indies.
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I actually didn't think they were going to be as
testing as what they are. They can all bat and
small grounds, you know they can. They're chipping it over
the top and I love the way that they have
fought so hard and as Jerry said, you've got to
be able to bat at eight, nine and ten. It's
really clear that you've got to have all the skills
in the game. I thought New Zealand caught pretty well
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a few sky high catchers that Chapman is caught, but
as you say, inconsistencies and they seem I see so
far that we want to back the same Hawks and
give them a long run up because obviously the World
Cup cut up Conway has been given a long run.
You've got Chapman who's been given a long run. You've
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got Jimmy Nisham who can't seem to be left out.
So you've got a lot of players that are big backed,
and I'm hoping that we're having backed the wrong horse.
And we've got a lot of talent in this country
at the moment, so people should be knocking down that
door pretty excited with where we are. And then the
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one day format, which I prefer myself, but that's a
true test of where things sit as far as international
playing fields.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Somebody were there after our own heart hear me enjoys
the one day format rather than the T twenty. I
presume that's what you were saying.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Emily.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
That's right, absolutely, because it's just head and giggle, you know.
So all it takes is one person to have a
good day and the game's decided. Along with the format
is a truer test of actually the size capability and
the ultimate test cricket.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Of course.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Yeah, it's instant food, isn't it really. It's it's forgettable too,
you know. Can we remember T twenty matches a year ago?
Can we remember them three months ago? They're okay at
the time, but it's, as I say, it's for the moment.
I think we've got we've developed some some you know, depth.
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I think the A tours have really helped that that
we've been going on, we've now developed, you know, for
the openers, we can have ciphered Robinson or fin Allen
if you like Revendra as a possibility, if you want
to play him up there. He seems to be again
pushing the envelope almost so you're just almost reckless playing
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those kinds of shots. Mitchell has now turned into the
new Williamson for me in a sense. You know, he
stays around and plays a slightly different role in bats.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
You bat with me, You bat with me, and.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
I'll push this around and I'll still play my big
shots as well.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Phillips has yet to return. Of course.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Bracewell needs a good long innings to in my mind
somewhere to get some form and a bit more confidence.
Sentner is striking it so easily and sweetly at the
moment Man. And then you get into our bowlers, it
would look as though to me Wadds that Bracewell and
Sanna would be there, and so degoing maybe to Asia
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might be a possibility as well. And then we're going
to get into I mean Chapman. We haven't mentioned Chapman,
so I mean, he's another one. So and then you
get into the bowling. Is it going to be Ferguson
in the desk if he's a fit? Henry and Duffy.
So we've got lots of names as well, and so
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I think as long as we play sensibly, you know
we've got we've got always outside chance. But I mean
the whole format itself is one that you cannot predict
who's going to win on the day.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
On the front foot with Brian Waddle and Jeremy Coney
along with Razi one key we made Paints and Stains.
Have the pleasure to welcome the voice of Caribbean Crickets
on the radio anyway, has his own radio show, Mason
and guests every week in the Caribbean, Andrew Mason, who's
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been with us before. And it's nice to have you
with us. Andrew. I suppose you're watching New Zealand and
cricket being played here pretty closely at the moment.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
I am indeed certainly enjoying it.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
There were some pretty close battles so far and New
Zealand up front, some disappointments for us Roderford needs to
get some runs and that has been a problem for us,
and of course Jorssin, who normally is very good with
his left eye spinner's been very expensive and we note
that King hasn't really done too much at all.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
But on the positive side, of course, she hope. I
think his.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Captain to say, pretty well, he's a world class player.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
The bowling has looked pretty pretty, pretty decent, but overall
it's been very competitive so far.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, irrespective of the outcome of the series, they have
been close games. I just wonder if you've seen it
the same as us. Both sides have been a little
bit inconsistent and haven't been able to put their foot
on the throat, so to speak, and be ruthless pushing
for victory.
Speaker 8 (31:42):
Yeah. I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
In fact, the closeness of the games would suggest that
anyone could have won. I mean, certainly when you look
at the first one, the West Indies were able to
defend or score just around one hundred and sixty five.
And I not been interested the West Cindy's. They like
this idea of actually balling last. But I like to
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see the best in these back first, because you know,
I don't think they had the scoreboard pressure as well
as other teams, but there's this tendency to try and
bowl first, and if you note the New Zealanders in
terms of defending scores, were able to do it pretty well.
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I thought Kyle Jamison certainly held his nerve, you know,
despike infringing in the third game and sixteen runs and
he certainly varied his pace quite well and the end
you were able to get home. But the inconsistency is
a problem for best indies cricket. I spoke about it.
King has been very inconsistent, you know, rosst and Chase
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quite strange he didn't play in the last game. And
I really feel the West need to play Jaden Seals
because you know, I believe brand that we don't take
the old question of wick it taking as seriously in
a tea turney cricket as we should. And certainly the
best things have got someone like a Jaden Seals.
Speaker 8 (33:13):
Who should be used to try to get the case.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
But overall I would say that Hold has been okay,
Shepherd a bit expensive, but it's a dangerous player. Towards
the end of the endings with the bat and the
disappointment really has been a left arm spinner Hossein, who
has been charted all about the place by the New
Zealand batsman.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know that they used them
as well as they might have, but you know, that's
the white ball crow.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
That's a good point because, in fact, if you not,
he normally opens the bowling for the West Indies and
then told the games he was a six ball to
use and what was of great interest a brand was
and then the last game that the player, he actually
opened the bolling.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
So you're right, they don't seem to know what to
do with him.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, they've got some early eyes to come. And then
it's the test matches, which we're basically going to talk
to you about, Andrew, because we haven't seen a test squad.
You mentioned Jaden Seals. I just wonder whether he's being
used spearingly in preparation for that. And the fact that
two of your trump cards, so to speak, in Alzari
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Joseph and Shama Joseph are on the injured list. Are
they likely to be here?
Speaker 8 (34:31):
No? No, no, not at all.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
That is a is it problem certainly for us in
relation to the whole question of him.
Speaker 8 (34:44):
He's injured.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Shamar Diarry Joseph is also injured as well, and the
reality they're going to have them and that is a
major blow because as you know, they've done pretty well
for the best cities in recent times. I'm hearing that
Keemar Roach is going to be going. I know that
there was some thought that his career was over. But
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given the fact that Shamar Joseph and as Harry Joseph
will not be coming to New Zealand, I'm told that
Keemar Roch, the veteran, is going to be coming to
your side of the world.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Well, he's been successful in New Zealand in the past
and he would enjoy the conditions because some of the
seemings you've got, and particularly those two quicker ones, would
have enjoyed the New Zealand conditions. So who is likely
to join Roach and Seals with the new ball.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Well, that's a good question. Of course.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
You've got Jason Holder, you know, who hasn't played in
a while. Some speculation that perhaps he's fallen off a
flip favor with the those who picked the side. There's
a fastballer from Jamaican coll Ages Seals who is not bad.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
He's not bad at all.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Is twenty nine and in the regional tournament ball pretty
well and is actually in the cadeby no. In fact,
they preparing some of the cricketers know in Antigua to
go off to.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Uh To to New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
So it's a major blow for us, there's no question
about that. Keemar wrote, has you know served West in
his cricket pretty well but in recent times not getting
the same kind of success that you would have been
looking for. I would think that Philip is going to
also play as well, Anderson Phillip.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
He's been around for some time.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
So it looks as if we're gonna have Roach Anderson Phillip,
if the player Shields who is from Jamaica, and possibly
Jason Hold. So it means that Warkan, the left arm
spinner will be there uh good insurance motives, having some
challenges with injury, and he may very well get into
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the site. But I, like you, I'm very very surprised
that they have not named the Test squalders yet.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I'll have to get on the plane very shortly. I
guess the batting lineup the first Test in India, the
most recent Test that have been played wasn't the best
for the Westerndis. But that second Test, when Shay Hope
and Campbell both got centuries, we started to see the
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top order. But again I think there's a consistency problem
there with other players. You need others to stand up.
We know how good Campbell and Hope can be, and
we've seen the likes of Rost and Chase in the past,
but he's not the kind of player. Greeves is another
one who has done well. What about other batsmen in
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the top order, Well.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
You'll hit the neil. I mean, there's no questions about that.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
In terms of our challenges, I mean you've got chunder
Paul who has been very inconsistent. He I suppose because
of the fact that you know, it would appear as
if they're very finished. No with Greig Breathwick. But we
have a big, big challenge, there's no question about that.
Speaker 8 (38:06):
King.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I know that the coach Darren Sammy reckons that he's
a good red ball player against Australia. Got seventy five
in Bobbers, but ever since then he has not done
well in red ball cricket or white ball cricket, and
hence he's been dropped from the side Atanez is an
interesting player and you know, one that we believe could
do well in the future.
Speaker 8 (38:28):
I understand that Kevin Hodge, who.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Really has been given a raw deal by the selectors,
is going to be coming back in to this side up.
Actually he's an Antigua. You remember when the West Sities
went to England, he made one hundred and certainly performed
pretty well in Australia, and yet when the Australians came
up to the Caribbean he did not make the side
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and that certainly was something that surprised us.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
All.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Lak, a nice little keeper from Dana, made his debut
in Pakistan. Expect him to keep because she Hope more
than likely be bad at four and I like the
idea of share hope just batting only in in the
Test matters. And of course you've got the captain in
(39:17):
rost and chess, so that I think will be the
nucleus of the team.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
What about this player Pierre who sort of come from
nowhere and has had the opportunities. Is there room for
him in the squad or will he be overtaken by
the likes of the war Aken, Rust and Chase involved
spin of course, and Murty you were mentioning earlier.
Speaker 8 (39:42):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think he's gonna make it.
He's essentially, you know, a white ball baller.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
I mean he's done very well in regional cricket and
forced his way into the best and he said because
he had a very good campaign in the regional cricket.
But you know, once Morti is fit of course that
the number one spinner out is war Can and you've
got rost and chairs, so I really can't see U
Pier making.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Yes, I don't think spinners are going to be the
requirement in New Zealand conditions, particularly on the pictures that
they're going to be playing at the Other question, is
Darren Sammy a lot of experience, he's been here before.
I'm glad he doesn't have to fly too many times
into Wellington because I was on a plane with him
once when he said he would never fly into Wellington
(40:30):
ever again. So he's going to have to do it
once or else he's going to have to come across
on the ferry. He was very, very anxious on that occasion.
But I read a lot about Darren Sammy. Is he
not universally accepted or liked by the cricket fans there
as the number one coach.
Speaker 8 (40:51):
Well, that's a very very good question.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
In fact, only recently the president of Cricket Western's doctor
kish Or Shallow, made a stunning statement. He said that
the reason why Sammy is being criticized because he's a
solution and that certainly created a big stir across the Caribbean.
You know, I suppose you know, when you're not successful,
(41:17):
people believe that our roads would lead to the course.
But the reality is, in terms of qualifications, Sammy really
is not that qualified to actually be caught to the
West in his side. And I think it was influenced
because of the fact that he actually captained the West
in these team successfully into World Cups. That would be
(41:39):
his claim to fame. But in relation to tactics, in
relation to support across the Caribbean, I would say it's
rather rather low.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Well, they've got a chance to pick themselves up three
tests in a row. It doesn't happen that often. Besides,
like New Zealand or the West Indies that they have
three tasters that I mean, they seem to have to
settle for a couple and then call it a series.
So in New Zealand conditions, it'll be a chance for
(42:08):
this West Indian side to get some momentum back into
their Test match game because I think there were signs
of that against India. Goodness, they came pretty close to
forcing them to chase. You know, well over two hundred
was those centuries that they were scored. But I'm sure
some of these younger players would like to see the
(42:29):
Test match going back to the level that it was.
It's going to take some work, of course, isn't it.
We've spoken about this before.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah, and you know, I am not inspired, I must admit.
I know when they see it across the Caribbean people
are very upset with me. I believe that, oh West
Indian batsmen are not good at fast balling at all
and you know what Wagner did to them the last
time he played against them, and that really is a problem.
(42:58):
And until West Indian batsmen are able to handle fast
ball and again, I think we're going to struggle. As
you know, the house Cindia is the best in his cricket.
You had Caddy, Tehran and Lloyd and these guys hooking
and pulling. Nowadays our West Indian batsman that aggressive fast
(43:18):
balling from square egg and that is a major problem.
I saw them against Australia only recently. They were very
aggressive against the West Indians and it is a major
problem that we've got. We do not have a lot
of batsmen who are technically equipped to handle aggressive fast balling.
(43:38):
And based on that I expect New Zealand to win
all three Test matches because I'm sure you've got fast ballers.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
All right, Well, thank you very much for your time.
Lovely to talk to you again. I'm sure we will
catch up in the very near future and be able
to discuss the one dayers and the Test series at
some SiGe over the next month or so.
Speaker 8 (44:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Always a pleasure to be with you on the front
foot with water and cony.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Finally, this week, remember this, Emily, do you remember Brisbane
nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 8 (44:15):
This week?
Speaker 4 (44:16):
In fact, in nineteen eighty five, do you have.
Speaker 6 (44:19):
A memory of that?
Speaker 7 (44:21):
Years? This pat was nine fifty four.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah, nine for fifty two. That's right, yep, not bad
with good on here Willis is the captain who tossed
the coin, called correctly Jerry, and you decided to put
them in.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
Why did you do that?
Speaker 6 (44:39):
Why did I put them in watch. Yes, well, I
thought it was our best chance of winning the game.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Good answer.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
That's a fairly obvious answer, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
I mean it was a sign of a murky kind
of day the gabber actually, and you know, cloud cover down,
and it was about this time of year, as you say,
that's why I guess we're remembering it. And we had
had a really good, good solid build up, played four
(45:09):
matches and we'd played we've actually played on the Gabba
just the game before, so we were already in our hotel,
already in the changing shed, all set out, ready to go,
and had practiced there. So all the batsmen had got
about one hundred so at some point leading up to that,
and all the bowlers had had a decent set of
(45:30):
spells behind them as well, so we'd got used to
the depths for standing for in the slips cordon. We
had good plans and order, we'd had decent meetings, and
we'd had fun as well together.
Speaker 5 (45:45):
So I felt that everything led to if there is.
Speaker 6 (45:50):
Something in this pitch, our best chance of winning the
game is to Richard, and so we won the toss
and bold as the answer to your question, and within
a couple of overs. Paddles went through two or three
plans and bowled a short one and there was Hildris,
you know, Hilditch or whatever his name was, the opener
(46:12):
hooking down one down to chats at fine leg who
was still awake at that stage and took the catch comfortably.
Speaker 9 (46:21):
So had he to boon get the edge of course,
second to be up caught by Cody.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Now it's Hadley who takes up the attack.
Speaker 9 (46:27):
Border swings at this and it goes be caught on
the outside. You can get hold of that ball.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Hadley goes in in short it's caught, caught.
Speaker 9 (46:37):
A third clip, well he goes Hadley again and he's.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
Right through the gate a few deep.
Speaker 9 (46:43):
New balled you after eighty five, and I think in
a moment he'd be hoping to get some wickets before that.
Well he's bowling scream bowls. Wayne Phillips with Hadley bowls,
gets the edge caught by Cody. A second flip Hadley
away from us. It's balled to Holland down the leap,
hard feel the port post the wicked.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
He's out.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Holland is out.
Speaker 9 (47:03):
So Hadley takes his ninth wicket caught five round at
short forward square, Australia all out for one hundred and
seventy nine. Holland out without scoring, caught by Brown after
bowling of Padley, Padley taking his nine wicket and the
figure of nine for fifty two.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
The one thing I remember about the whole game was
that Peddles got nine and he could catch off Vaughan Brown.
Thorn Brown correct test work it. If I had nine wickets,
I probably would have dropped it. I know Padels wouldn't have,
but if I had, if I had nine, I.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
Agree, cos you should have spilled the catch, taken the glory.
Speaker 6 (47:46):
He wasn't like that, you guys. You guys can talk
like He was not like that. He did not like
making mistakes. Actually it was a bloody good catch too,
he had he was fielding mid on and it was
hit behind him so he had to turn and run
with his back to the pitch and take it over
his shoulder. And we've seen lots of catches drop like
that won by Jamison in the last T twenty.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
That's why I can remember it.
Speaker 8 (48:10):
So you know.
Speaker 6 (48:12):
But nine's okay, guys, isn't it? Nine for fifty two?
And then the next part wads was terrific, wasn't it?
Decent start, then a big partnership, a huge partnership between jf.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Reed Rido.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
And Hogan, so one getting nearly two hundred and the
other one getting over one hundred, which was a really
important hundred for John Reid. He had to convince himself
he could play on bouncy wickets, brilliant player of spin
bowling and had scored hundreds against India and India and Pakistan,
and yet he hadn't you know. The gabble was a
(48:52):
bouncy pitch, so that was a really and he spent
a lot of time with Turner handling the short ball
and where the hands went and so on. So terrific partnership.
And we batted for a long time, and we slowly
increased the tempo of the first things. And when Paddles
came in, he smashed them, he smashed them, and it
(49:16):
got dark and got darker and darker and darker, and
Paddles was asking for the lights to be turned off,
you know at some stage, So you know, it was
just a perfect game for us.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Actually, yes, indeed, the things that our memories are made of,
and we look forward to more memories like that. Emily,
thanks very much for joining us and sharing as your thoughts.
It's nice to hear the game from a women's perspective.
I know people look at us met and say, you know,
give the women a chance, but it's always nice to
(49:48):
hear the views of a former player and an expert
at the game. And we look forward to perhaps talking
to you again when we get the opportunity to see
how the women's game is progressing in terms of its
transition that you talked about earlier.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
No worse, guys enjoyed the chat.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
And you'll be You'll be doing some commentary I understand
this year, Is that right?
Speaker 7 (50:12):
Yes, yep, Yeah, I've got the chance to do on
the Wendy's tests and Hamilton, which is pretty exciting. So
not Hamilton bay Oval.
Speaker 5 (50:23):
Yeah, a lot of tests will be together. We're going
to talk a lot together, Emily. I can see that
that would be great.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
I'm all up for that, well so am I. But
it's time to come to a end on this occasion.
Thanks very much, Emily. Thanks Jerry once more for your
contribution as ever, and look forward to coming weeks anyway
on the front. Thanks very much.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
Cheers, nice cheers, Emily.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Summer.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
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