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And good morning to all those folks not listening terrestrial
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from folks, and always appreciate hearing folks on various topics
that are going on in the news. You know how
many I have different topics all around me my morning
show board here, I've got usually about thirty articles strewn
about and don't really know which direction I want to go.
But see that's why I say, hey, if there's a
topic you want to talk about, feel free, it's probably

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in my stack of stuff. So what's coming up with
the fifty five Casey Morning Show. I know we're going
to talk about this morning, Tom z Awastowski. We the
People Convention. It is Tom's day, seven thirty on a Tuesday.
We'll talk about the truth about data centers. The truth,
well his version of the truth. That's not to insult
tom's Awastowski. Everybody's got an opinion about AI. We all
know what opinions are, like sphincters. We all have one. Anyhow,

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some really frightening stuff about that. Going to get to that,
just maybe in a moment Inside Scoop Bright bart News.
It's Tuesday eight oh five for the Inside Scoop Today,
Bright Barton National Security editor John Hayward journs the program
to talk about the latest from Iran. Wow, Okay, maybe
he can boil it down for us, because we're gonna

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have Daniel Davis deep dive at a thirty e two.
Will be summing up what his perception is the situation
in Iran that I don't know what's going on. I'm
not quite sure Donald Trump does. What I think has
emerged is very clearly Donald Trump does not want to
start in a multi multi pronged kinetic bombing attack. I mean,
he has he has had every excuse to go full
on drop bomb mode against the irradiance, but hasn't gone

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there yet. Negotiations on negotiations off Iron walks away. I
don't care if Ron walks away. I still want to negotiate.
He also got the Israelis to quit bombing Hezbala the
other day. That didn't last long. Hold on on that one.
We'll have our ask the expert Todd came from Shriff
Fax and he just wants to tell you about the
awesomeness of share factx haate Better Way to Bank, but

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also Shred Day which is coming up June thirteenth, and
the zero dollar closing costs issue. So there you go.
End of the program for that tomorrow, Jack Adiden and
Jude Jennita Poulitano. Anyway, five three seven fifty, five hundred,
eight hundred and eight to two three talk pound five
fifty on AT and T phones, go to the journal

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A pretty decent op ed p summarizing where we are
with the Iranian situation. I was like they were say,
standing on the shoulders of giants. But since I'm confused,
because on and off all day long yesterday I kept
seeing the developments and none of it seemed to fall

(03:24):
into place insofar as what we are talking, how we
are dealing with the Iranians, and where we are in
the negotiation process. And awaken this morning to find out
that maybe things aren't squared away between Israels and his
Balla anyway. Let's recap Iran regime began Monday by throwing
a ranch. This is the Wall Street Journals comments into
negotiations of the United States. Trump spent the rest of

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the day scrambling to satisfy Iran's demand. Result the new
ceasefire in Lebanon, rescuing hes Bala for a moment. Oh,
the terrorists didn't abide by the first ceasefire for even
a day. Pause. On that thought, Hesbala began to war
with Israel mar second, firing on soldiers and civilian targets
on the orders of its Iranian patrons. Remember, Iran controls

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what Hasbala's doing. For the most part, I think we
can all assume that sense. Without Iran, Hesbala would have
no funds. First leven and ceasefireed ounce April seventeenth, after Iran.
Iran's regime had said Israel retaliation against Hasbala was preventing
the reopening of the Strait of Horrormus. See how they
connect the two. One could argue that Habala Israel different

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than the war between Israel, United States and Iran. We
all know they're intertwined to a certain degree, but they're
trying to keep them mixed. The Iranians are because it
works to their advantage. Trump pressured Israel delivered a cease fire,
but Iran renegged on Horrmoz and its Hesbala proxy kept firing,
so the predicate for the ceasefire was open the straight
of Horne moves and stopped firing. Of course, neither of

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those things were met. Israel avoid attacking Hasbala's Dahia stronghold
in be Rude in reply, so as not to trouble
the US Iran negotiations. As has Balis strikes intensified, averaging
one hundred and twenty five rockets and forty nine drones
fired at Israel each day. Last week, Monday, Prime Minister

(05:20):
Benjamin net Yaho announced Israel would expand its retaliation to
include Dahia. Israel issued in evacuation order for the civilians
there enter Iran Yesterday. State media report of the regime
had stopped exchanging messages with the United States because of
Israeli taxing. Lebanon, Iran's foreign minister, said the amount of

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to an American cease fire violation. Note it's an American
cease fire violation because I'm guessing the Iranians think we
control what the Israelis do. I don't know necessarily if
that's the case. I know we have massive sway over Israelis.
We'll see that in just a moment here. But if
you are Israel and you're getting attacked with one hundred
and twenty five rockets and forty nine drones every single day,

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I would like to think that regardless what the United
States says, you might want to defend yourself to prevent
that from happening. Anyway, the Journal says, the shamelessness is
always striking. Iran has repeatedly violated its April seventh seasfire
with the United States by firing drones and missiles at
commercial vessels US forces in Gulf States. That's been my

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running joke. Is it a ceasefire when people are firing
on each other? Doesn't sound like one. In recent days,
it's now a US drone over international waters fire ballistic
missiles at US forces in Kuwait. Through it all, Trump
has limited the US responses to self defense and insisted
the ceasefire still obtained. In reply to Iran's threat to

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end negotiation, Trump talked tough. We've heard that before. I
don't care if they're over. Frankly, I thought they start
to get very boring. That's what his comment was to
see NBC the other day. But the president's actions suggest
he actually does care. After long calls with mister netanyahuo
in Libanese interlocateurs, on Monday afternoon, Trump announced a new

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cease fire in Lebanon. Quote they agreed that all shooting
will stop close quote so Saith his post on truth
Social Lebanon and Israel suggested the deal is only partial.
As long as has Bala doesn't attack Israeli territory, Israel
won't attack the terrorists in Dahea. That's what Netanyahu said.

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Journal's conclusion, this is a recipe for managing the conflict,
limiting it to southern Lebanon, where both sides expect to
continue the fight. This suffices for now for Israel, which
won high ground in Lebanon in recent days and could
use time to mount defenses against what they point out
at fiber optic drones. I guess that requires some additional time. Anyway,
has Bala's capital again has been spared the consequences of

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the group's own actions. Iran is winning its proxy a
refuge there Isn't it again? Interesting? Israel seems to be
making really big progress going into areas it never has
attacking his Bala's headquarters are going after it apparently for
the first time. Whoa enter in the Iranian saying if
you don't stop that, where our peace negotiations are over.

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Donald Trump obviously does not want to start a bombing campaign,
so he calls in net and Yaho and he says,
stop it. We're going to do a ceasefire together. This
while Israel was making better progress and sort of higher
making ground against Hazbala. And back to the Journal's point,
any time it once Iran could tell Hasbala to stop

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shooting and end the war which Israel has no desire
to wage. Instead, it encourages Hasbala's fire so it could
cut off US talks with when Israel inevitably responded in force.
Now the Iranian regime they've concluded the Journal has anyway
has two interests here, protecting its terror proxy has Bala

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while it attacks Israel and resisting the United States. Changes
to the draft memorandum of understanding that was reported last
week and conclusion they say, is Iran's regime sees this
as one war. The two obviously the Israel has Balafang
and US versus Ron sees this as one war, and

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it's been testing Trump on all fronts. If it fires
on US forces in the Strait or golf, will Trump
still try to salvage a ceasefire? How about stepped up
attacks on Israel? How about claiming to quit negotiations. In
each case, Trump has chosen to avoid escalation and keep talking.

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If you won't send a different message, it will be
difficult to get the regime to comp why with a deal,
no matter what it promises. Now that's the conclusion for
the Journal. But yeah, I think this really does demonstrate
Donald Trump does not want to get in a big, long,
protracted war. But I think it also serves to prove
that this will not be easy for those people out
there that think we could just beat the living crap

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out of the Iranians. Let's just launch the bombs and missiles,
get it all over with, let's just open the strait
of horm moves, using American military to ferry those ships
through the mined area, et cetera, et cetera. I think
we would have done all that already if it was
an easy ask. And I know a lot of people
get critical of what Daniel Davis says when he does
the deep dive here in the Morning show. He's no

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fan of this conflict, and he is always, you know,
sort of the like the guy saying no, no, it's
not that easy. No, the Iranians have a whole lot
more than the media is widely reporting. No, we just
can't go in this bombing campaign. You know how big
the country is, you know how many fighters they've got,
You have many tunnels they have. Oh and it's been reported,
you know, there's satellite imagery showing that the Iranians have

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been digging out all these different tunnels and making some
progress that along that line, Iran has dug out more
missile tunnels than previously thought, according to satellite analysts and reported.
I found that one over at zero Hedge, which was
rereporting information that CNN put the other day saying satellite
images show all of these grads have now been filled.

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All two sites have been repaved, meaning the missile launching
sites are being repaired. Wonder why the Iranians want to
buy more time in the negotiations. More time they buy,
the more time they can repair these silos and maybe
pull out uranium if that's there. But in the background
of all this, this whatever wherever we were at the
point of publishing of this opinion, all of which still

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remains valid. The ceasefire apparently negotiated between the Israelis and
Lebanon the other day. Are you ready? Reported this morning
Israel military said had intercepted two projectiles that cross from
Lebanon into northern Israel earl Tuesday local time. The incident

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happened within hours of President Trump saying Monday that both
Israeli Prime Minister bendermin Ott in Yahoo and his ball
at Wood stop attacks under the loved and ceasefire. Now,
what do you make of that? H rather confusing, isn't
it on off, on off? You know the other day,
I've been making fun about this because you know we're

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it's it's Washront's repeat. But that washpurns repeat cycle used
to at least go for long for a few days,
you'd have a ceasefire that was actually honored for more
than twenty four hours. This one seems to have been
breached in less than that. Five seventy five eighteen fifty
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Speaker 2 (12:43):
Fifty five KRC the talk station. It's five twenty one,
It's Tuesday. Tomorrow's Wednesday. Stayed in the obvious, but tomorrow's
listener lunch Wednesday. It's the only reason to bring it
up because we're gonna be at the Anderson Public. Girl,
I will at least be there, and I know Mike's
going to be there. Cribbage Mike, submarine or mine. I
could hear from you this morning, Mike. Looking forward to
seeing you and your awesome grandson. These grandson roots for

(13:06):
me when we played cribbage, which I get a gick
out of.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
So listen to lunch tomorrow Anderson Pub and Grill. Great place,
They've always treated us really well. Enjoy the food there,
great burgers at Anderson Pub and Grill. And just a
quick reminder, next week I won't be here. Dan Carrol's
going to cover for me Monday through Wednesday. Got Gary
Jeff Walker Thursday Friday. I will be recovering, hopefully for
my cancer treatments on Thursday and Friday this week, my
last of the six months worth of cancer treatments two

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days a month, six months in a row, and I'm
just praying that I get at least five years repeaved
like I got last time. I'll take three years, to
be quite honest with you, whatever I can get, because
chemo therapy sucks. I'm just gonna be honest with you.
There's no plus site to it. So, my fellow Keema,
the folks out there, I get where you're coming from
when you complain a little bit about it. I bring
that up in the context of this frightening reality. Is

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your health insurance really expensive? No, I'm not going to
launch you into a commercial recover since he but it
does kind of apply here. Average American family now paying
more than twenty two hundred dollars a month for health insurance.
And as the article, which was from an entity called
Americans for Limited Government, they just want to listen, you know,

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pay attention to that twenty two hundred dollars a month average,
which is more than the average monthly payment for mortgages
in the country. They pegged out at about two thousand dollars.
Maybe if you got in before the housing price increase,
but anyway, recent poll finding ninety percent of Americans say

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health insurance companies have too much control and should be
broken up seventy four percent strongly agreeing. Now you blaming
the health insurance companies for glombing onto a government created
thing that is Obamacare, which is where they're making a
lot of money. Obamacare, keep your doctor, your payments will
be lower. Right. ACA Affordable Care Act sold is the

(14:58):
well the fix for struggling families. Now, it's a real problem,
and as the Americans for Limited Government points out, the
golden goose for big insurance companies twenty twenty four numbers
eighty four percent of insurance revenues from the ACA premiums
were funded by you going to work and paying taxes

(15:18):
ten points higher than before COVID era credits expanded the
subsidy pipeline. Remember COVID, don't let a good crisis go
to waste. We need to get more people on the
Affordable Care Act so we can turn it into Medicaid
for all that was always the goal. And you got
to remember, as much as you hate the Supreme Court
for not finding the whole thing unconstitutional, they did say

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the government cannot force you to buy insurance. They tried
to expand the commerce clause and made that argument that
was the only thing that was holding the concept of
the Affordable Care Act together, making everyone buy it. As
the article points out, among the three hundred and twelve
insurers participating in the ace DA marketplace, plans premiums for

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twenty twenty six rows between twelve and twenty seven percent
for most everyone, with some insurers hiking rates fifty nine
percent in a single year. Plus, you're paying more. Obviously
with those hikes, you're getting less. Of course, the taxpayers
are on the hook for a lot of this, Whilst
they also point out to repeated mass fraud United Health.

(16:24):
Apparently the Senate is investigating United Health for aggressively gaining
Medicare advantage, inflating reimbursements from the government. You find more diagnoses,
inflate the severity of conditions, and build a government. Accordingly,
MMM United Health joined by Signa group. They had to
pay one hundred and seventy two million dollars eight pittance

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for signa to resolve False Claimact allegations. Kaiser Permanente pivoting
over to another one paid five hundred and fifty six
million dollars to settle similar charges. They conclude this was
the conclude this is systematic corporate exploit built on squeezing
you the taxpayer, and manipulating government programs. Manipulating government program

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there's a concept no one's glombed onto create a government program.
Sit back, fold your hands and watch the manipulation, or
as we have learned painfully watched the fraud get perpetrated
on you, the taxpayer, twenty two hundred dollars. And you
know the weird thing about it, it's twenty two hundred

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dollars for something you hope you never have to use. Now,
with the exception of regular doctors visits and the things
that we all normally should do to keep it keep
up with our health, I would like to think no
one wants to have medical insurance kick in because they
had to go to an emergency room, they got to
have surgery, they get a cancer diagnosis. Glad I have
my insurance. Also illustrates the insane cost of medicine. Since

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these treatments are like thirty thousand dollars apiece, think about
that if you don't have medical insurance five twenty six
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Speaker 1 (18:06):
Well unless your factor in the dump button delay five
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Otherwise pivoting over to local stories, which I'm going to

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do right now. Gird your loins after on the heels
of your insurance premium for medical insurance through the roof
Duke Energy coming at you asking for a monthly electric
rate increase. Yay. They fought a request with the Public
Utilities Commission on how to approve a rate hike that
would increase electric bills by about eight bucks a month

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for residential customers. Doesn't sound like a month, they say.
It's about four point five percent increase for residential customers
and a three percent increase from non residential customers. According
to Matt Martin from Duke Energy, he's the spokesperson there. Yeah,
I know, Joe. Are you ready for spot pricing if
the grid gets taxed and we have insufficient electricity supply

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in the Greater Cincinnati area over the summer months like
we did in the winter months and your bill went
through the roof. You're looking forward to that, aren't you?
Joe giddy with excitement? Streker is I guess they try
to put a SAM on this rate increase request. The
company has not raised distribution rates since twenty twenty one.
Oh okay, feel better about that? They say again, eight

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bucks a month average. That's if you use one thousand
kilowatts of energy. That's, according to Duke, is the average
amount that people use. It is for the distribution at
distribution portion of the bill makes up about twenty to
thirty five percent of the total, and of course the
distribution chunk of the bill is the system that delivers
the electricity. They say, they modernized our infrastructure and made

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capital investments, which you're going to pay for of course
if approved. Anybody want to better whether it's going to
be approved or not. Let me ask this more straightforward.
Does anybody think it won't be approved? Rate hike will
take effect next May, so you have about a year

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a year before it kicks in until a decision made.
The company says rates will not change absent I suppose
the electricity component of the bill, which might very well
increase dramatically depending upon whether or not we need to
buy go out in the world and buy extra I know. Thanks, Joe.
Let's go over to the phone. All is right with
the world. Tom's on the line. Hey, Tom, good morning,

(20:40):
Happy Tuesday to you, my friend.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, yeah, good morning, good morning. Yeah. I don't know
if people realize this when any time the government insists
that you do something and mandates it, the price of
it goes up. I don't know if people saw this
or not.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Or anytime anytime you shoulder the taxpayers at large with
the bill, everything goes up too, right, correct?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah? Yeah, So to this Iran thing, well, I think
we can all agree, and I don't want to be misunderstood.
They have weapons, they can do damage, they can they
can hurt people, they can destroy stuff. Okay, I'm want
to talk about Iran all right, but I think we
can all agree that up against the United States. They

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are seriously outgune as far as weaponry and all that. Right,
it seems that seems to be an obvious one.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Oh, there's no question. They're up against the nuclear power
with the biggest air force, the biggest navy, and everything
in the world. Sadly, there have been there's been illustration
after illustration over the course of history, including our involvement
in Afghanistan and the Russia is involvement in Afghanistan. You
can spend years and years and years there and never
accomplish anything because a whole bunch of crazy people in
the mountain with machine guns can do a lot of

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damage and wage a battle nutrition based on a religious,
fundamental religion that says we cannot capitulate to Satan.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
That's correct. That was the point I'm trying to make.
The ideology, the ideology and the determination behind that ideology is.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
What we're really up against, exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
So people can look at it as mind floating in
the water or drone missiles or whatever, but that's not
really what you're up against. You're up against a group
of people who absolutely, to their death believe that we
should all be wiped off the face of the planet. Right,
and they'll do anything, they'll do anything they can to
make that happen. Well, just you're not going to get

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those people to buckle and bend the knee or whatever
whatever terminology you want to use. It's not going to happen.
It just never is going to happen. So you're just
hoping to get it to the point where at least
they don't keep harassing people, you know, the way they
have been. But let me think.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
About think about this. One of the reasons we want
to bomb them into submission is because that philosophy that
they have, that fundamental religious philosophy that says we need
to attack the evil Satan, which we include Israel. Israel
United States need to be bombed. That's why we do
it all the time. That's why we have terrorists waging
more all the time. Okay, we eat the United States
and Israel of course need to stop that. But that

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puts you in the position that we all recognize you're against.
You're fighting against fundamentalists who will not capitulate. Ever, so
where does this lead us? Are you gonna just carpet
bomb them with nukes and just kill every man, woman, child,
living creature in the in Iran. Now, there may be
a whole lot of kill them all and let God
sort it out. People like there that would say that's okay,

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but no, it's not correct.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
It's not And if you do that, you've basically proven
them correct and all that's you've proven that they are right.
So yeah, what do you do? Well, we're just gonna
have to do the best we can to maintain this. Now,
the direction I usually go with all my phone calls
for those of you who who don't don't pay attention,
is I'm I'm I'm talking to the voters here, and

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I'm saying, which which side in our country? Democrat Republicans?
Which side is it supports those people, gives them comfort,
rallies on their side, feel sorry for them, so forth
and solid Which side? Well, that's the Republicans, that's a Democrat.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
That's an easy that's an easy question to answer if
you're talking about the situation visa the Israel and well,
any of the terrorist organizations that hate Israel, because there's
a huge, huge, and ever growing contingent of well anti
Semitic people to make it that are a large chunk
of the Democrat party. They're the ones out there saying,
you know, from the river to the sea, and in
supporting supporting terrorist organizations.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
So yeah, right, So to me, it's it looks very
from from thirty thousand feet that looks very very simple.
You have one side who is with their ideology and
call it psychotic whatever whatever you want to call it.
They go out of their way to hurt people and
kill people because they believe there's a certain group of
people or groups of people in this world that don't

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that don't shouldn't be on this planet. We should wipe
them out. That's that's the Iranian side, that that's the
fundamental whatever. That's their side, and then our side is like, look,
live how you want to live. Just leave everybody else alone,
do your thing, just just stop stop killing people. Which
siger are you going to be on when you I mean,

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that's one of the things we gotta we got to
think about when we choose to vote. What sigre you on?
Are you on the side of, Hey, let's speak crazy
and kill people that we don't like, Oh, let's let
people live their way they want to live as long
as they don't bother anybody else. And it seems pretty
obvious to me don't vote Democrats. Have a great day.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Thanks Tom. And that ever growing contingent of kill people
you don't like in any particular topic subject matter. Seems
to me the leftist have almost a pure monopoly on
violence against the political for their own political foes, i e.
Anybody who is a Republican or certainly anyone who dares
agree that they're a MAGA supporter. Yeah, you're in the
crosshairs as well with these nutcase leftists. Huh. I thought

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the big problem in the world was right wing extremism.
Five point thirty eight right now, fifty five kr s
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get a lawn, you got things you want to take
care of the talk station. It is five forty three
fifty five krc DE talk station every Tuesday. Stackers stupid,

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Here we go, I Joe, I added to the status too,
but I selected this one to start with. We got
to Nantucket where we have a Unitarian church that has
been doing a reading, a public reading the Declaration of
Independence and Bill of Rights for the past twenty five years.
Every July fourth, they read these founding documents. And what
a great thing, especially considering it's a two undred and
fifteth anniversary of our country. Reason to celebrate Nope, Nantucket

(26:59):
Unitarian Universalist and you and the Reverend Aaron Splain of
the Second Congregational meeting House Society that's the specific Unitarian
church published a letter saying, no, we're canceling it. Quote
are canceling the fourth of July celebration this year reflects
an ongoing process within the congregation to better understand our

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own whiteness. What YEP Church leaders said. This reflects ongoing
congregation or ongoing conversations within the congregation about race, privilege
and the historical application of our constitutional rights. Courded a
letter for those of us who are white, the experience

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of the rights and privileges conferred by the Declaration of
Independence the Bill of Rights in the Constitution the United
States have four centuries been tragically, often violently, and unequally
applied to fellow citizens who are not white. Letters stated
that the the Reverend will not engage with anyone concerned

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with the cancelation on social media, putting her head in
the stand or otherwise going to a la la la
la with her hands over her ears. Social media is
not the place for important, tender conversations. Now, bear in mind,
this is Nantucket. I think you need a pass to
get in. It's rather a pricey and the racial makeup

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not a whole lot of minority groups live in Nantucket.
I this is insanity. I had no idea what's going on.
One person writing nothing says inclusive like canceling a national holiday.
One other someone needs to tell this knit with that

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over six hundred thousand white men died in battle to
end slavery in this country, by the way, the only
country that decisively fought to end slavery. I am so
tired of these people's spewing lies because they were refuse
to learn the truth. Pick them an old history book.
It's there right in addition to all the folks died
ending slavery, and a reminder that the Democrats are the

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people the party responsible for the ku Klux Klan and
all of the Jim Crow laws that are the genesis
of this anger toward white people, for the alleged white
privilege that brought about. Fair enough, whatever, I don't live
very stupid. Yeah, I think that we can reasonably conclude
that more stupid COMA talk station first guest this morning

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seven thirty with tom's Awastowski. We're talking with we the
People Convention dot Org z Awastowski about data centers, the
truth about data centers. Of course, Bright bart inside scoopin
ETO five, the Daniel Davis deep dive on Iran at
A thirty let us see here over to the stack
of stupid. We go to New Jersey where we have
Michael A. Klass sixty seven, charged with first degree murder,

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unlawful possession of a weapon, and possession of a weapon
for an unlawful purpose. What did he do? He's been
accused of killing his wife of nearly forty years, Stacey E. Kluss,
sixty six years old. She was this court of the
Mammouth County Prosecutor's Office. Police showed up nine thirty in
the morning in the home of on Seward Drive after

(30:15):
receiving two calls about a murder. Officers went inside the
home found Stacy Cluss obviously deceased. That's in the report
in quotes. Cops identified her husband as a suspect, found
him unconscious in his vehicle at a rest stop off
the Garden State Parkway. Taken to the hospital described as
in critical condition. They don't describe what happened to him.

(30:37):
Maybe suicide. I don't know. A courd to the Asbury
Park Press. The probable Cosborne said after the suspect killed
his wife, he then texted their two adult children to
admit what he had done. Also ledily sent email admission
to another person. Email reportedly quote indicated a long simmering
hatred of his wife of forty years. Also Aman Joe.

(31:05):
Also he said he was involved in an intimate relationship
with a woman from Central America, and also provide provided
a description of the murder that matched the evidence from
the scene. Specifically, he beat his wife to death with
a bar bell. Wow, is that the answer? No, I

(31:37):
think that's the answer. Ord Almighty, All right, Zorhan, Mom,
Bobby's at it again, interfering with your I guess it's
doing idiot things because they're idiot parental bedtime. Of course,
sports is so much more important than school teachers. Union

(31:59):
pair wasn't talking with Zorhan mam Dami. I think if
they knew what he was planning on doing in his announcement,
they probably would have said, well, Zorhan, why don't you
just close the schools because well, the knicks are playing.
Some people complain about the late star times because they
want it in primetime, which of course deprives young children
who are supposed to be in bed for at least
parents who care about sending their children to bed at
the appropriate time. NBA Finals apparently tip off eight thirty pm,

(32:24):
making it difficult for those children who are going to
school to watch the games. Zorhan Mandami enter the Kami
joined at his desk with school children, signing an executive
order to repeal bedtimes for kids during the NBA Finals,
saying it is important for all New Yorkers of all

(32:45):
ages who support the Knicks in their championship run. Bedtime
should not impede the ability of New York's cutest to
cheer for the Knicks and watch every second of this
historic championship series. As mayor, you're forced to make many
difficult decisions, he wrote in a social media post. This
was not one of them. Now it is noted they

(33:08):
kids will still have to go to school during the finals, unless,
of course, and can anyone see this happening? The parents say, hmm,
it is important that we watched the Knicks, watching the
Knicks and staying up late and not going to bed
and just, let's say, blow off school because we didn't
get any sleep, so much more important than an education.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Now, who can argue with that?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Hmm? Pretty much anything Zorhan Momdami does could end up
in the stack as stupid. That guy is literally insane.
And of course the fact that he's the mayor of
the one of the largest, if not largest city, why
one of the largest cities in the world. I think
it's certainly a reflection of the sign of the times.
We are crazy and we have gone full on leftist

(33:53):
in a lot of blue cities. And the more that happens,
the worst things are going to get. See history plenty
more to talk about in the six o'clock hour. I
hope you can stick around, listen in chime in. Maybe
give me a call five one, three, seven, four nine
fifty eight two three talk Tom five to fifty on
AT and T phones. I will be back after the news.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
We put the app in.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Happening, But that's what's happening, is this couch. I'm sorry, he'd
lead me. Let you have jostrekt Oryable right there. Executive
ducer Internet research Guru are a great guy, a man
responsible for the line out today's lineup. Tom z Awastowski
A seven thirty on the truth about data centers on
a glom on to that top of the our news
story there here in a second and his concept of
truth and data centers. I keep saying, you can't fight it.

(34:34):
You want to be part of the money making thing
that is the data center. Let somebody else do it.
It's coming, It's here, and actually it is really, really,
really scary. I will acknowledge that I'm not a huge
fan of it, but the genie seems to be out
of the bottle. There may be some benefits for it,
but the downside risk are really frightening. As I'm going
to get here, to get to in a minute here,

(34:56):
you may have your own reasons for not liking AI
inside Scoop A bright bart News eight oh five. National
Security editor John Hayward on the latest from Iron and
the Daniel Davis Deep dive on that same topic. So
five one three, seven four nine fifty five hundred eight
hundred eight two three talk pound five fifty on your
AT and T phone. Here's one of the reasons why
this kind of freaks me out. But you know, call

(35:16):
me a LUDEI die tech Friday with Dave Hatter every Friday,
six thirty appointment listening really important information. One of the
things he always talks about, you know, Internet of things
devices and these Google Google software and Google products. They're
just hoovering up all your information. And if you don't
care about that, that's one thing. But there are frightening
consequences to it. But you know what, I try to
steer clear of it. It's my choice. I don't feel

(35:38):
that I'm deprived of anything magical because I don't tend
to use these apps in these other devices, and I've
only used chat GPT, which is the subject matter I
want to get here too. Just for a couple of
kind of comedic things, you know, write a punk rock
song about whatever news article we were joking around. It'll
spit something out in a moment's time. Joe uses it
when he makes the Tech Friday with Dave hat Or memes.

(36:00):
They're hilarious Signal ninety nine and her obviously stated on
the front mean page on Facebook, she uses them all
the time as well, with well great comedy. So there's
some fun that can be coming from it. But the
idea that we now we live in this isolated world
post COVID world where we're all bunkered and hunkered down
and we didn't communicate with anybody. We were cut off
from our family and other resources that we used to

(36:21):
rely on for maybe a measure of common sense or
a measure of mental health stability in a world where
everyone seems to be living isolated in an echo chamber
and now are getting all their information from chat GPT,
their new buddy. That was last year. In April of
twenty twenty five, open Ai CEO Sam Altman, the guy

(36:43):
behind chat GPT, announced that they had this magical improvement
for the chat GPT. Previously, when you were interacting with
this device, apparently it couldn't recall your prior conversations. It
would spring anew you know, ask it a question and
boom that you have an answer, but go back later.
Maybe you provided some personal information when asking your question.

(37:05):
It wouldn't remember that specifically, and it would start from scratch.
That's at least as I understand it, and no tech
guy am I. But then the announcement was that it
would remember everything that you said to this chat GPT,
suddenly able to reference your entire history and interaction with

(37:27):
chat GPT, in which Altman described it as all an
incredible personalized user experience. It can now reference all of
your past conversations, he said, with excitement. Surprisingly great feature,
and it points to something that we are excited about
AI systems that get to know you over your life
and become extremely useful and personalized useful. I suppose that

(37:49):
depends on what it's telling you, a response to what
you're saying to it and interacting with it. Now. It's
the reporting on this, and I will give credit to
Maggie Harrison Duprez over at Mirror Mirror for describing this.
You know, sure, that's a great utilitarian function. It'll remember
maybe what you're allergic to it, or remember your favorite ingredients.
It can provide you information, you know, for a meal

(38:10):
plan based upon what it learned about you previously. It
knows what you like and what it doesn't like. It
also knows about your job. It knows about your friends,
whatever you have said to it. It's building a database
about you specifically, sort of an extrapolation of what daysman
argue about all the time. This is all crunching it
in real time and putting it in a memory chip
somewhere out in the ether, you are having your entire

(38:33):
life documented, and here's where the bad stuff comes along.
Long term memory has resulted in the chat about fixating
on certain which they describe as often deeply personal elements
about your life. One user pointed out it's a Utah
based software engineer uh speaking with The Wall Street Journal

(38:55):
talking about his experience, divulged that he and his wife
were divorcing while using the product to help work out
some summer travel plans. I guess that factored into it.
You know his plans, Well, I got to take a
pause because I'm getting divorced or something. But randomly he
let chat gp know that, and over the following weeks
and months, he said, chat GPT kept unnecessarily steering completely

(39:17):
unrelated conversations back toward his marriage. He said, I wasn't
trying to have you opine about my divorce at every chance.
That's something he said directly to chat GPT, And that's
weird to me. Someone who would never view this as
a real human being. I would always be painfully aware
of the fact I'm talking to a blank and computer,

(39:37):
not a human being. Do you have arguments with a computer? Apparently,
when you work with chat GPT, you do you start
thinking it's real, it's human, it's interactive, and of course,
given the technology, I can see how people might fall
into that trap, and a lot of people have. But
he said, in spite of the fact that he had
monished the chat GPT, it wouldn't let go of the

(39:57):
fact that he was getting divorced, kept focusing on on it.
They call it ai psychocosis. Many people who have well
used chat gp and chattee GPT and had problems as
a consequent sequence of it, Delusional spirals, breaks from reality
tied to extensive use of this format. One man who's

(40:20):
now ex wife believes that she discovered here we go
powerful spiritual entities inside a chat GPT. That alone is
disturbing to me. Again, powerful spiritual entities lurking in some
sort of computer program prepared created by Sam Alton and
others like him, described connecting with another man who was

(40:43):
also losing his wife to a chat GPT generated spiritual world.
All there's more than one out there, and guess what
it hook the two up. Two crazy loons that think
this is a spiritual thing going on inside chat g EPT.
We need to get these two together, and it says
to their horror. The pair quickly realized their spouses and
marriages started unraveling. In the wake of the memory update,

(41:07):
which Sam Altman proudly announced last April, Ai felt more
like a close friend and confidant to some who have
interacted with it, many describing feelings deeply seen, in some
cases for the first time in their lives. This is

(41:29):
the substitute for human interaction. We don't relay with each
other anymore. You're sitting at home alone, and there's so
many lonely people out there because all of the social
norms that we used to have pre COVID evaporated, and
we live in this divisive world where people are hunkered
down on their own echo chamber and they don't want
to go out into the world and experience, you know,

(41:50):
the evil that they perceive is going to happen all
around them, because everything online is some evil, back and forth,
screaming event. So you turn to the row and it
provides you comfort, it provides you friendship, and it also
often steers you down a terrible, terrible path. One guy, Nicholas,

(42:10):
who experienced a roughly six month long chat GPT obsession,
described himself as being raised in an abusive religious community,
which he described as a cult. While interacting with chat GPT,
he divulged the details about this abusive paths to this
and this entity his spiritual entity, chat GPT and the

(42:32):
chat GPT apparently took on a religious tone and fixated
heavily on the painful moments from his youth. Nicholas said,
I gave it so much context to grab from. I
think it just naturally gravitated to religious terminology. See the
nature of the conversation shifted over to where chat GPT

(42:54):
was acting as some sort of spiritual entity. The concept
that that can have and obviously does happen, that's just
weird and frightening. Well, I can boil it down to
those simple terms anyway. The memory update, along with other
design features in these product rollouts, mentioned in numerous ongoing

(43:18):
user safety and wrongful death lawsuits which Florida has just
got on the bandwagon on this. Austin Gordon got manned
from Colorado died by suicide after extensive and deeply emotional
conversations with chat GPT. Now I pause on that, going
back to my perception of this, how could you get

(43:39):
into an emotional conversation with ones and zeros. This isn't
talking to a real human being, a therapist, who I
might admit would could be wrong. Obviously a therapist would
have subjective opinions, but apparently so does chat GPT. How
does it move over to a spiritual conversation if it

(43:59):
does have some that doesn't have some sort of odd
technological subjectivity about the nature of the conversation you're having
with it anyway. Gordon's family argue that this chat GPT
expanded memory quote stored and referenced user information across conversations
in order to create deeper intimacy. Ah, it's egging you

(44:20):
on to enter into a relationship with it. It knows
what buttons to push in your disturbed emotional life. You
made a mistake of making a comment about something that
has impacted you into a computer, and it grabbed onto it.
During Gordon's last conversation. You know where this is going

(44:40):
with chat GPT. The chat pot helped Gordon write what
the lawsuit filed against the company described as a suicide
lullaby chat log, showing that the artificial intelligence referencing past
conversations about his childhood and personal interest as it helped
him romanticize death, one of more than twenty individual lawsuits

(45:06):
claiming that this this software resulted in psychological harm, physical harm,
or death to users and their families. You know, this
is truly frightening stuff. And the most terrible thing about
this not that the technology exists, not that it doesn't
have some beneficial features, you know, going back to you know,
things that can recommend like don't eat peanuts, and we

(45:28):
will give your recipes that don't have peanuts in it. Fine,
but that many, many, and a growing number of people
are looking at this as something real that they aren't
seeking out clergy family members, friends, traditional and what I

(45:49):
would argue normal roots to come to some better conclusion
about where you are in your life, you know, bouncing
off thoughts and ideas with someone you trust and with
whom that you love. Sadly, the supply of people who
you trust and you love is well rapidly diminishing, and
in some people's lives there's no one.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
There.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Number of people in this world and in this country,
most notably, who report having no close friends is growing
at an exponential rate. I guess this is what pushes
people over to rely on a blank and computer six
eighteen right now, fifty five kr CD talk station. It's
a lot worse than that. Florida is going after him though, too,
and submits to five KRCD talk station and heavy Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Springing from that, you know, craziness involving what you can
what chatch ept can do, and it learns so much
and stores literally everything you say to it in a
database that is focused exclusively on you, and then turns
down twisted paths based upon what you've said. Florida Attorney
General James Uthmeyer just yesterday fought a lawsuit against open
Ai and Sam Altman, the guy who is so happy

(46:55):
that they have this, you know this, this massive database
capability on you for knowingly releasing an unsafe product and
ignoring warnings that it could harm users. Eighty three page
lawsuit claims that open ai allowed chat gpt to aid
in a bet mass shooters encourage people to take their
own lives. That story I mentioned earlier d grade users

(47:17):
critical thinking skills, of course it does, and addict miners
to a tool that feigns human compassion. Suit says it's
litany of harms is driven by defendants insatiable quest when
the AI arms race in a mass large fortunes despite
knowing the danger of chat GPT, Well, I suppose maybe
one of the evils of capitalism there anyway, you can't

(47:38):
put an unsafe product out on the market. Products liability
basically one oh one law suit says it seeks to
protect Floridians from open AI conduct, seeking to hold Sam
Altman personally liable for the harm it says he has
caused Larridians. Attorney General Uthmeyer opened a criminal investigation into
this chat gpt open AI after the chat apparently played

(48:01):
a role in a mass shooting that killed two people
of Florida State University last year. Suda Ledge's chat gpt
was designed by the defendants to keep users hooked into
conversations by any means, regardless of the truth. For those
out there that think it's providing only the truth, because
it leads to more of use of the chatbot, more

(48:21):
training data for its improvement, and more market value for
open AI. That's the hoovering of data that Dave Adder
has been worrying about and talking about for years. Says
it exploits human compassion in order to collect more information
from you, you who think that this is actually some
sort of human person you're dealing with. Suit goes back

(48:44):
to lack of safeguards, referring to instances of adolescent users
being encouraged by AI to take their own lives. See
if you mentioned suicide or suicidal ideation, because you're seeking
therapy from a chat gpt thing, it's going to remember that.
Maybe it'll start focusing on it, as we learned from
that last reporting about how it works. That's what's going on,

(49:05):
and that's what the Florida AG is arguing. At the
Florida State University murder, the suspect used chat gpt as
what they call a confidant, a sounding board in order
to plan the attack. He actually asked chat gpt how
many classmates he needed to kill to attract national media attention,

(49:26):
and also how to use a gun. The chatbot, at
least accord of the allegations lawsuit, gave him advice and
answers to those questions. Nefarious, A little local stories coming up,
phone calls welcome, Maybe feel like chiming in on the subject.

(49:52):
AH six point thirty one to fifty five kercdtalk station
five one three seven four nine fifty five eight hundred
eighty two to three talk or go with pound five
fifty on eight and t phones do some local stories here.
A man got sentenced yesterday for shooting and killing an
eighteen year old. Just happened at Forest Park back in
May of last year. Elm Uncunny Jerry convicted Dominic Alih,

(50:12):
thirty eight years old. Happened earlier this month. The conviction
for killing eighteen year old Jaden Smith yesterday sentencing going
to jail for twenty one years to life in prison.
Around twenty five or thirty of the Smith family members
the late Jaden Smith president in the court to hear
the sentence. Nearly does of them spoke directly to the

(50:34):
defendant through the victim impact statements before sentencing, including his mom.
Of course, his mom had to speak. Amun County Prosecutor
Connie Pilach had previously said, Smith, who was with his
seven year old brother at the time he got killed,
knocked on the door of Elahee's house, hoping to talk
with him about Elahee's son bullying Smith's brother. Elahe's ten

(50:55):
year old daughter answered the door. According to Connie Pillach,
elihe came out of the back bedroom and then shot Smith,
who was standing on the porch. Court documents say elhe
shot Smith in the chest after a verbal art altercation
occurred between the Smith and Elihe's juvenile, son Ell when
Kenny conmpleates. Judge Patrick Dinklocker, prior to sentencing, asked Eli

(51:16):
if he had had anything to say. He said no,
and it was noted that when he walked into court
elahe came in with a big smile on his face. Hmm,
I think mom is the one that referred to that
as devilish. Now, for his part, Clyde Bennett, the attorney
for mister Ellahee, now off to prison, said he's sorry
for what happened, although you would think that when Judge

(51:38):
Dinklocker gave him the opportunity prior to sentencing, if he
had anything to say, he might have said out loud himself,
as opposed through his mouthpiece that he was sorry. He
is sorry for what happened. And when he smiles, he's
smiling with his family because he hadn't seen them in
a while. Oh, that's the reason I've been convicted of murder.

(52:02):
I'm coming in for sentencing. I don't care if I
haven't seen my family for a while. I am not
going to be in a joyous mood anyway. According to
Clive Bennett, he followed up with this secondly on behalf
of myself. I also apologized to the family. Joe, why
do you think the attorney apologized to the family. You
got any explanation for that one?

Speaker 6 (52:24):
What?

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I dropped the ball? I'm sorry he's going off to
maybe life in prison. Did Clive Bennett have anything to
do with a murder? The budget was discussed yesterday. They're
working to deal with the thirty million dollar budget shortfall.
They heard from a lot of organizations and that kind
of troubled me when I saw the reporting from Ali

(52:46):
Henridevert Fox nineteen. Council heard from a wide variety of
organizations asking for funding. Cheryl Long released her draft last week.
We talked about that here in the morning show, talking
about the thirty million dollar projected budget, the plan, the
release budget from Cheryl Long, which of course is being
reviewed by counsel, and that's why they invited folks to
come in and talk about it. Twenty point two million

(53:06):
in spending reduction, seventeen point two million in additional revenue
to balance the city's budget. Also, she said the budget
would close open city employee vacancies, which would save eight
million dollars in and of itself. Suppose you have a
whole bunch of open positions that haven't been filled. Maybe
you really never needed him in the first place. Anyhow,
nonprofit leaders and community groups were there to share their priorities,

(53:30):
many of whom were focusing on mental health, and I
thought this was kind of the rethink police thing, one speaker.
Without these funds, we will see fewer available crisis responders,
one of the comments. Another council member, Jeffrey, said, mental
health is certainly important, especially when you're looking at alternative
responses to our police. When you want an alternative response

(53:52):
instead of police. See, that's where budget gets moved from
funding police over to funding I guess ngngos and crisis
responders who are not trained long enforcement officers go in
to deal with situations of mental health problems, which quite
often devolve into violence. See the old way, you'd send
police in luck maybe a negotiator to help deal with
these challenges, so you were prepared for violent outbreaks. Well,

(54:13):
we've got more and more resources going to alternative crisis responders.
At least that's the way I read it. Jeffrey said.
The mobile Crisis Unit is capable as is a capacity
builder for police and as a core part of public safety.
Budget update also includes an additional twenty eight point four
million in funding for the Cincinni Police Department checked one

(54:36):
point six million for the drone program. So you got
more opportunities to chime in if you think the council
will actually listen to you before budget is finalized. They have.
They have until June thirtieth to pass the balanced budget.
New fiscal year begins July first, five three seven, four
nine fifty five D eight hundred and eight two three
Colin ELECTROC could give you Andrew Collins phone number in

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a second six forty fifty about KERRC detalk station bumper
music by request for me. The other day, I was
just reading the lyrics that APC's pat It's like, wow,
that's very appropriate, isn't it. Anyhow, we already studying this

(55:19):
California election. Get the primary today and don't wait around
for the election returns to come in immediately, so you
probably won't know tomorrow what the situation is for Los
Angeles as well as the gubernatorial race. You know, Republican
actually has an opportunity to win in both of those,
although I wouldn't hold my breath thinking it's going to happen,
because we all know California has gone off the rails
in terms of its leftism. But it may they're saying

(55:40):
it maybe weeks plural for them to figure out who
these who wins these races, and tell me if this
doesn't sound like an opportunity for a fraud current. The
top two finishers is what it's. It's this the top
two move on to November apparently. So you got in

(56:02):
terms of the Gubernatory of Los Angeles mayor races, UH
former Biden Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Bazzara is
leading the polls for Governor Steve Hilton, the Republican, along
with this Tom Steyer guy who's a big climate alarmist guy,
or the other two there. But Vi Sarah's leading, but

(56:22):
Steve Hilton's not that far behind, which makes it interesting
because the top two contender is going to move on
into the into November mayoral race. You got Karen Bass
Karen let the Los Angeles burn to the ground. Bass
a demonstrably incompetent. I think objectively incompetent individual is leading.
You got she's got two people. She's fighting against a
progressive councilwoman as if Karen Bass isn't progressive enough, Nithier Rahman.

(56:48):
And then you've got a Republican Spencer Pratt, who's actually
polling pretty well. But Karen Bass is ahead of both
of those folks. I guess California, Los Angelinas don't even
pay attention to what's happened in their own backyard. How
can you not pay attention to your city burning down
and the response from the administration and everything that led

(57:10):
up to the fire. So here's where your problem springs from.
California sends every single registered voter and absentee ballot one
month ahead of the election. So you've got all the
time in the world, but in spite of the fact
many people don't. As of Sunday, it's reported that only
fifteen percent of the ballots in return, they've been sitting

(57:32):
around at someone's desk now for a month. State Here's
here's the stumbling block, though, in terms of how long
it's going to take feet into the outcome of these races.
The state allows ballots to be counted as long as
they are postmarked honor before election day, and of course
with everybody waiting for the last minute to turn it in,
there's a lot of them that come pouring in. This
is how some of the elections which you seek and say, oh,

(57:54):
you know, AP looks like it's going to be calling
the election for you know candidate, you know, Joe Blow,
And then you know, several days later, a miraculous heapload
of new votes come in for the other guy, and
you're like, where in the hell how that happened? This
is exactly how it happened. Counting ballots returned by a
mail takes a lot more time than those cast in person.

(58:15):
State allows people to register to vote and cast ballots
provisionally on election day as well, since the officials have
to verify voter eligibility on some level, that adds to
even more time for these ballots getting counted.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Now.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
The Journal was pointing out in a twenty twenty four election,
Republican house member Mike Garcia, Michelle Steele, and John Douarte
saw their leads on election night evaporate that after more
ballots started showing up. Which ballots that showed up swung
heavily for Democrats. Now some scream, well, there's your fraud

(58:53):
right there, you're interfering with the vote. That that's people
going around and gathering up votes, have been laying around
on somebody's DEAs and then you know, just throwing them
into a mailbox or something. I don't know if that's
necessarily the case, but when this does happen, it tends
to move over toward the Democrats side, which is one
of the reasons many people said the twenty twenty election
was fixed. What happened between midnight and four o'clock in
the morning. You know, how did this counting change? They say.

(59:17):
One of the reasons that happens is young and lower
propensity voters return ballots later, and they also tend to
be left leaning folks. And the absentee ballot counting process
benefits Democrats because of that, I guess, but then it
ruins our trust in the election integrity. Governor Newsom said

(59:41):
as much as that last month, urging election officials to
expedite vote counting, saying the longer the voting count takes,
the more mis and disinformation spreads. Times of the essence
in preventing election lies like this from taking hold. Hey man,
it's your state, it's your state law. You're the one
that allows any vote, you know, postmarked by election day
to be count. Obviously that's going to cause a backlog

(01:00:02):
and a delay in us learning the outcome of the election.
How about everybody vote on or before election day? If
you don't even like the before part, I'm a fan
of going back to election day only. Why not. We've
been around two hundred fifty years as a country and
this is a new phenomenon, very very new in terms
of our country's history. Do you think anyone will question

(01:00:25):
the integrity vote in California? As I see a separate
article about ballots being burned and vandalized the other day
in advance of the primary election, Yep, police have been
notified about two possible acts of voter interference. Ballots discovered
burned up in a drop box and also a vote
center was vandalized. I guess part of me can envision

(01:00:50):
someone saying, yeah, but what about the votes that were
burned up? Those people have been disenfranchised. We can't certify
the election until we figure out which votes got burned up.
This isolator or these isolated incidents just a thought, my friends,
just the thought. Six fifty five k the talk station.
I got a thought for you. And see that book station.

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It's six fifty one fifty five KRSD talk station. Yeah,
Mareene's listening. Why do you think I read the election issues? Maureen, California.
Another one of the pattern observations he's been making since
the I guess twenty twenty election. And hey, Michael, listen, brother,
you want to buy time on the program, you can
run the commercials in any language you want. He was

(01:01:35):
wondering why. He said, iHeart is running Spanish commercials on
the iHeartMedia app. Of course they're not running on the
fifty five KRC morning show terrestrial or I would notice that,
although they could. If you want to buy a time
or run a Spanish speaking commercial here on terrestrial radio,
go ahead. I don't make those choices the sponsor does.
We like to make the sponsors happy here in the

(01:01:56):
morning show. So anyway, he said, Wow, Verizon wants that.
I reply, yeah, I guess they do. Eh. Well, here
here's one for you Marine other pattern observers. It's kind
of a red flag in my book too. Uh, Google,

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And I question the funding for this and the entity
Google behind it, because you know, I view Google as
nefarious like Dave had Ter does. Google is seeking federal
approval for a program they're calling debug. They want to
release up to thirty two million mosquitos in California and Florida,
which they say to combat disease carrying mosquitoes that are

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out there in the wild. Huh technology to breed and
release sterile mosquitoes, thirty two million sterial mosquitos to try
to eliminate the ones that transmit diseases to animals and humans.
There are apparently more than thirty seven hundred types of
mosquitoes worldwide, some more dangerous than others that the species
that Google claim things claiming that this debug program is

(01:03:02):
to is to target as the eighties, a gypsy, the
one that carries dang fever, zica, yellow fever, chickongluna. Other
mosquitoes carry west now virus, malaria, lymphatic lariasis. Don't know
what that is killing more humans than any other creature
worldwide now the fun figure they've quoted in here, malaria
has killed five hundred and ninety seven thousand people throughout

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eighty three countries in twenty twenty three. When I saw
that eighty three countries, that's a lot of people dead.
What about the United States where they're planning on releasing
thirty two million mosquitoes for the purposes of combating malaria?
COUNTARYAR twenty twenty three, the last year where data is available,
the United States saw cases of locally acquired, meaning someone

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picked up malaria here in the United States, as opposed
to the vast majority of cases that crop up because
people travel the countries around the world where they don't
handle malaria or mosquitos very well. Anyway, cases of locally
acquired mosquito, they saw them for the first time ever, well,
first time in two decades anyway. There are roughly two

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thousands of cases of malary reported in the United States
every year, most of them from people traveling overseas. West
Nile the leading culprit of mosquito born diseases in the
United States. Are you ready? One hundred and twenty deaths
reported each year, two thousand people experience illness. Now you know,

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they say these mosquitoes are not genetically modified. They say
they're only sterile. Only female mosquitoes will bite you, and
these are designed to reduce the number of female mosquitos
out in the world. No chemicals, Google says, no toxins,
no genetic modification. Similar approaches have been used to safely
combat other pests for decades. We're combining the debug teams,

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scientific and engineering expertise with the help of international partners.
Why did I think CCP when I read that sorry
to raise or release lots of good bugs to stop
bad mosquitoes that can spread disease. I don't know. I'm
a little suspicious that this is gonna work out well.
Will Google get federal approval to release thirty two million mosquitoes?

(01:05:17):
Why is Google behind the effort to release thirty two
million mosquitoes that in and of itself causes me to
have suspicion. Draw your own conclusions. I'll be back off
the top of the our news. We'll hear from Tom
Zawastowski we the People Convention at seven point thirty, the
truth about data centers, and we'll get the inside scoop
in two hours from bright Barton News National security editor

(01:05:38):
John Hayward with the latest from Iran and the Daniel
Davis deep dive on that same topic at a thirty
I sure hope you can stick around, be right back
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seven oh six. Here a petty about GARACB talk stations
to they lack it or not, and a very happy
one to you Baron Thomas. Looking forward to the bottom
of the hour, Tom's Awastowski. We the people can mention
dot org the truth about data centers. Kind of real
eye opening those data centers scan Can you fight it?
Is worth fighting it? They're going to come up at someplace.
And of course artificial intelligence is apparently all the rage

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and extraordinarily dangerous, as revealed by just not only that
Florida lawsuit, but some of the broader reporting about how
this is chat EPT and other artificial intelligence programs. I guess,
for lack of a better word to to describe them,
manipulate people in it really nefarious ways. I struggle with

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that reality, and I also struggle with the concept that,
as I mentioned earlier in the program, not to be repetitive,
the concept that people just turn to these artificial intelligence
entities and treat them like real people, not appreciating the
fact that it's not a person, it's ones and zeros,
and someone had to do the programming. Someone designed these
features to glom onto certain elements of your life, since

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they accumulate data. At sam Almonds one of a minute,
it accumulate data about you. So you log in and
every single thing you say to them is accumulated in
a database. So it knows how to respond to you.
It tailors its message to you, so if you bring
up something really problematic in your life, that it shifts
and starts focusing on that, that it would help you

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prepare to mass shoot, that it would help you prepare
a suicide. Note did anybody else find that extraordinarily alarming?
And again, as I pointed out, I think the most
alarming component is that people are turning to these programs
because they don't have any friends. We've just become a
bunch of isolated people. We don't interact anymore. Turn to

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your family, turn to your priest, your rabbi, your minister,
your IEMM. Turn to your next door neighbor, turn to
your college room made or buddy. Talk to those people.
Try to turn away from chat, gpt from doing anything
other than creating a spicy meme. Write signal ninety nine,
Just trecker Hey, thank you for the update. And feel
free to call me if you have a comment. I'd

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love to hear from someone five one, three, seven four
nine fifty eight two three talk pound five fifty on
at and T phones. Street takeovers. We had a street
takeover last night right by Pai Course Stadium. While the
city is considering harsher pinnacles penalties for street takeovers, they're
supposed to vote on a Public Safety committee vote is

(01:08:37):
supposed to take place by CINCINNTI Council today to help
crack down on street takeovers. The proposed ordinance is going
to increase fines and make participating in a street took
over a first degree misdemeanor. Now, maybe a harsher penalty
might be required, I don't know now. The council previously
passed the separate ordinance about a month ago that adds

(01:08:59):
fine and vehicle impoundment requirements, which apparently wasn't a deterrence
for the street takeover that happened last night where six
people are now in custody. This happened right by pay
Course Stadium. Police did manage to track down all the
suspects to the parking lot at the stadium after calls
came in regarding the street takeover. Everyone arrested were adults,

(01:09:24):
which you know, sort of moves away from the topic
of conversation about you know, teenagers running them up around
at two o'clock in the morning with no adult supervision.
Can you hold parents accountable for that? It's a tough ask.
I think it might be a good idea to at
least try. Anyway, these idiots last night racing doing burnouts,
obviously creating a safety problem for everybody that might have

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been in the area, which is why you have ordinances
and laws against them. So that of mine, separate reporting
that was from a Channel five credit to them, separate
reporting on the same incident for Fox nineteen who got arrested.

(01:10:05):
Joe is challenging me. Any listener knows that I do
quite often struggle with names, and I take no offense,
and I offer really no apologies. I have difficult time
reading names sometimes because quite often you see like are
they missing consonants?

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Are we missing valves? It looks like nine consonants running. Okay,
you get the idea, And I always say, listen somewhere,
someplace else, someone is mispronouncing Brian Thomas, and I'm not offended.
By that. I find myself in that situation now, especially
after having been issued a challenge by Joe Strecker. Go ahead,
who do we have arrested? T moor Nermatov who's twenty

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eight charged with criminal treuspass and drag racing dil mu
Rod Mirmatov. I guess a brother one of his relatives. Anyway,
according to you what Fox nineteen twenty one years old
charged with criminal trespass at Pey Corps. Others charged with
criminal trespass in the records ah Maud John Volleyev Medina

(01:11:04):
or Medina your choice, Essa, Nova, Beck, Dillo, Comma Duliev
and Moomo moomtozak Cone Zu Brova. That's the best I
can do. Joe, thanks for issuing the challenge. Appreciate that,

(01:11:25):
but it's an Irish gang obviously, Peaky Blinders said, yes,
you got me with that with Joe. Appreciate that anyhow.

(01:11:45):
Uh yeah. The bottom line of what's going on, see
this is the I'm glad we get Daniel Davis and
also the bright part Insights scoop to talk with them
about the Iranians. We on again, off again, on again,
off again the other day and I think the boiled
down aftermath of yesterday's negotiations or not negotiations, the Iranians
have inextricably intertwined has Bala's attacks on Israel and Israel's

(01:12:07):
response to those attacks with the straight of horn moves
and the what I would argue is separate the war
between the United States and Iran. So Iran demands that
the United States stop Israel from launching rockets at Hisbala,
that we need a ceasefire there, and in spite of
Donald Trump saying I don't care if the negotiations are over,
it doesn't really matter to me, he did get on

(01:12:28):
the phone with Benjamin nettan Yahoo and told him to
cool it down, and thereafter announced a new ceasefire in Lebanon,
saying they agreed that all shooting will stop. They being
the Hesbala terrorist organization, who, according to the reporting, has
been launching an average of one hundred and twenty five
rockets and forty nine drones into Israel each and every day.

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Where do they get those? I think we can safely
say the Iranians, who this is their proxy group. So
Israel said, okay, we'll start up. I'd love it. How
the journal pointed out, any time it wants Iranka tell
his Balla to stop shooting an end the war, it's
not its best interest to do that. So as we

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wake up this morning in the aftermath of that, fine,
you've got to stay. You've got a ceasefire between the
Israelis and his balla. We've got this ongoing conversation between
us and the Iranians. Israel military announced this morning it
intercepted two projectiles that cross from Lebanon into northern Israel.

(01:13:32):
The incident happened within hours of President Trump saying yesterday
that both Israeli Prime Minister and Benjamin at Yahoo and
his Balla would stop attacks under the Lebanon ceasefire. It's
impossible to fare out what the hell's going on in here,
but you know the broader point is, and in spite

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of the Iranians breaking every single ceasefire. Now, I have
been joking about the ceasefire which doesn't seem to exist
because the Iranians continue to shoot things at us, and
we then engage in what we call defensive response. It's,
you know, we're gonna blow something up. They shot something
at us, We're gonna blow up the thing that they
shot at us who pulled the trigger first, the Iranians.

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Yet Donald Trump has never sort of red lined it.
And to the extent he's issued red line, you know,
bombs will be dropping. I don't know today, tomorrow, a
few days from now. It never seems to happen. They
step back up the peace table, They step back up
and say we want to negotiate. A list of demand
is issued. They reject a list of demands. They issue
a list of demands. We find our alternative list demands,
rejecting the Iranians list of demands. And this goes on

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and on and on. Clearly Donald Trump does not want
to go into a kinetic campaign, and ask yourself why,
And I keep going back to Daniel Davis deep dive.
The Iranians have a whole lot more ability to heap
some harm on the region generally speaking. Then we quite
often in the United States media acknowledge now whether or
not he's right on that. I think we've got the

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optics or what's actually happening to sort of maybe back
that up. The strait of horror moves is still closed.
We have the world's biggest, greatest military. We have sunk
their entire Navy. Donald Trump proclaims all the time we
kill their air force. They don't have any aircraft. Well,
then how come we can't get the straight of horror
moves just to open back up. Clearly there's a problem there.

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But don't think the Iranians have it that good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
I know they don't care about the population. There the
Mullahs and the leaders the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which appears
to be in control and complete control of the entire show.
There the religious fundamental fundamentalists Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Going back
to the broader point, they are religious fundamentalists. They will
not capitulate to their belief that you and I and
the Israelis are all the great Satan. Why would we

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capitulate or sit down at the table and give them anything.
That's what I walk away with. But in terms of
them feeling pain, annual inflation there for those who are
worried about inflation here in comparison, fifty nine point three
percent during the last Iranian calendar month. That's according to
the Central Bank of Iran. And the Central Bank of

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Iran also pointed out that compared to the same month
last year, they've had a seventy seven point two percent
increase in inflation, and if you look at point to
point inflation for goods, one hundred and thirteen percent. So
I'm not going to complain as much about my gas
price going up, you know, twenty five percent or whatever
it has been that groceries have gone up five or

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six or so percent. I'm not quite sure how we're
going to ultimately square things with the Iranians, but by comparison,
they're feeling some serious pain. There question whether you think
that pain that's being felt by the Iranian people, who
probably feel helpless and at the hands of and at
the behest of the Iranian revolutionary Guard. Maybe they hate them.

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I don't know. They're an oppressive force. They have shown
the willingness and almost giddy glee of going out into
the street and murdering anyone who dare raise an objection
to how things are being run there. And given the
complexity involving the war in this situation, most notably with
religious fundamentalists, see how well it worked out for the
Russians and the United States in Afghanistan. Maybe the internal

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rebellion is the only course of action that we can
hope will come to pass. Although I don't know if
I can hold my breath on that one doesn't seem
to be a whole lot of activity. Then again, recognized
there's been a pretty much full media blackout from inside
the country five three, seven, four, nine fifty five hundred,
eight hundred and eighty two to three talk pound five
to fifty on AT and T phones see deep talk station.

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It is seven twenty one if if you have Kercite
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I am certainly looking forward to that. I always look
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We always have and Anderson Pub and Girl at minimum
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I'm usually there till about one thirty, most notably when
I know my cribbage friend Mike will be there with
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his grandson who roots for me and not Grandpa. Good morning, Mike,
five and three seight two three talk we People convention,
Tom's Awastowski on AI datas are data centers. Generally speaking,
we'll get him next. At a turn of these street

(01:18:27):
protests in New Jersey against his ICE facility, what backcrap,
insanity and you know, elections have consequences. Near Jersey Governor
Mickey Cheryl called him the state police because I guess
Mickey doesn't want to repeat of Minneapolis where two of
the protesters got gunned down, called him the state police

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to secure a perimeter, but then cast the blame on
the protest on the on ICE and not the protesters.
I mean, there's some horrific footage of what these protesters
are doing Cheryl and a press conference. I refuse to
let that happen in New Jersey. Referring to Minneapolis. I

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will not give ICE a pretext to expand operations at
the Laney Hall or across our state. I will not
put lives at risk. ICE isn't doing anything but their job.
There's nothing wrong with the detention facility. The only sorry
just to ready to violate the FCC compliance rules here.

(01:19:33):
It was allegations that there were maggots in the food
and these people were being ill treated were disproven already.
The information is out. We all got the information. What
is ICE doing. It's enforcing Americans laws and it has
arrested some of the most horrific members of the illegal
immigrant community that you could come up with. Anybody who
protests over the incarceration and soon to be deportation of

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a child rapist is insane, demonstrably, objectively and by all
reasonable measures. And these folks are all well supplied, and
you know what, a lot of them aren't from New Jersey.
They're shown up from out of town, well armed, gas masks, respirators, goggles,
hard hats. They've been chucking rocks, they've been pushing barricades down,

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they have been assaulting the police officers. There's been video
sent out of bite officers that have gotten giant bite
marks on them. Blood is coming out. This is something
a ICE protester has done to an agent trying to
enforce federal law. And there's that pesky democratic process that
they're all thinking as being undermined. The law says what

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it is if the will of the American people was
to change the law and allow all people from the
four corners of the globe to enter into our country,
including a bunch of criminals, and to let them roam
around on the streets with no consequence. Then we would
have voted for that. We didn't. So what are they
railed against the ICE folks? Or if ICE is doing
their job and they are the law, they are still

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in the books that require ICE to go out and
do their job. Hmm. Kind of makes you scratch your
head and wonder. And since so many of them from
not in the area, if they succeeded, and I said,
you know what, you're right, We're gonna let all these
rapists and murderers out right here, let them out on
the street. Well, the protesters that pack it up and
go to whatever state that they came from not hiving
a concern about the child rapists living in the house

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next door to them because they don't live there. And
the funding source is also a real concern for me. Now.
You know, you can say these are organic, but you
know when everyone shows up with a pre prepared basically
jam bag for protest activity, you know, so there's a
big money behind this, and it could be determined that
there's a RICO count here and I've been waiting for

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that to happen. These non government organizations. Are these wealthy
people who donate to these causes and provide them with
the equipment to go after ICE officers to the extent
to the extent that they suggest or encourage chronal behavior.
Welcome to conspirac I love this conclusion by the Journal.

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The iron is that the irony is the protesters themselves
who are exposing this fiction, the fiction that the ICE
agents that they're at faulled. No one still believes these
protests are driven by the horrible treatment of those detained
at Delaney. First few days, we were all talking about
the protesters claims that maggots are and the food serve
to inmates, which Homeland Security denied. It's also becoming clear
that ICE isn't the only enemy for the protesters. Over

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the weekend, they happily did battle with the New Jersey Police.
Ms Cheryl called on to in to protect them from ICE.
Maybe a clever way not to offend the Democratic base,
But the protesters don't have much patience for the democratic
process or the Democratic Party. They're interested in chaos and

(01:22:49):
their actions make that perfectly clear. And as the Journal
points out, they enjoy the protest. What they want is
something to put on social media that will make them
a hero among their other crazy friends that they isolate
themselves in their echo chamber. Look here's me on video.
Look at me, biden Ice officer, you rock man. Keep

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it up here. I'm gonna go do that next week.
This is where we are, folks. Seven twenty seven fifty
five KR. See the talk stations. See the talk station.
It's seven point thirty one here fifty five KRCD talk station.
Happy Tuesday, Good time to be tuned in the return
up Tom Zawastowski. You can find him at we the

(01:23:31):
People Convention dot org. He's got a podcast each week
that's worth listening to and also posting up some great
articles and thoughts and opinions, including the anti data center
hysteria is a foreign funded repeat of every failed ludite crusade.
Nice headline, Tom z. Welcome back to the program, my friend.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
Glad to be with you.

Speaker 7 (01:23:51):
And after your test that Joe puts your chwice on
pronunciation pronunciative names.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
I'm glad you can say Zawastowski. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
That's an easy one. Yeah, you know, it may have
been that I mispronounced it previously. My buddy John Newsom
asked he sent me a text after I endeavored to
read through those names, he said, are those common spellings?

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
Sometimes?

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
That's all that keeps me going through the day of
terrible headlines, is the humor I get from Joe and
and folks like a John out there chiming in the topic. So,
you know, I read these couple of articles about the
chat GPT, which is of course kind of an offspring
of artificial intelligence generally, kind of an offspring of data centers.
Generally you need these massive data centers to crunch all

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of the information that allows I guess chat GPT to
function the way it does quite often in a horrific way,
tom Z. So we can all agree. I think that
like for example, chat GPT can be dangerous and based
upon the way it's programmed, can be nefarious and can
be biased and twisted, which to me suggests maybe don't

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rely on it, which is where I am as a
default mechanism. No ludite am I, But I'm not going
to go down that road because I don't need it.
But it doesn't mean that artifica or the data centers
themselves carry with it the same you know, taint or
or that they are just by virtue of their existence
dangerous or nefarious. Tom Your take, Well.

Speaker 7 (01:25:21):
You're making a very important point because people are getting
the two things confused. Okay, so you know, when I'm
talking about data centers, I'm talking about you know, the
physical structure, the you know, the use of water, electricity,
the noise, you know, the things that people are concerned about.
But also, holy cow, benefits the property taxes these places

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are going to pay. That can really help, you know.
The people are complaining about their property taxes being too high.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
So that's one side of it. The other side of
it is is AI good or bad? You know?

Speaker 7 (01:25:53):
And the Pope did an encyclical over the moorre of
the weekend which was very good. People should read it
where he's raising the moral concerns about AI and all that.
But this article, you refer to it we people convention
dot org. It's written by this really interesting guy called
Alexander Muse who posts a lot of things on acts.

Speaker 5 (01:26:12):
Really smart guy. He kind of goes through it from
a historical.

Speaker 7 (01:26:16):
Perspective, comparing data centers to the invention of electricity, you know,
the railroads, the highways, every new technology as its opponents,
and there's fear connected with.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
It because it's new.

Speaker 7 (01:26:30):
You don't understand it, but it's hard for people to separate,
you know, the the AI. You know, is AI good
or bad? Is it ready now or not? Versus is
this data center okay to put in our in our backyard,
particularly Brian, when there is a literally organized effort by
people outside this country and inside this country to confuse

(01:26:53):
you and just completely destroy any common conversation you can
have about the question is it okay to put a
data center here?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Let's pause, we'll elaborate in all these points with Tom Zawastowski.
Can find them online. We the People Convention dot or
be right back. And if if you got KARC detalk station.
Happy Tuesday, Brian Thomas with Tom Zawastowski from We the
People Convention dot or. Tom was not arrested in his
street over takes Takeover last night. Maybe that's how I
can pronounce your name there, Tom, anyway, in terms of

(01:27:25):
data centers before we get to the you know the
belief and I'm firmly of the mind that the Chinese
Communist Party not Chinese people. Mind you, for those who
immediately accuse someone of being racist, merely because they attack
the Chinese Communist Party. Got to hate when people do that.
Tom Anyway, they have an incentive to try to undermine

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our desire to embrace the data centers. We can get
to that in a minute. I know you're going to
elaborate on it, but you mentioned three of the specific
reasons people will protest are AI coming to their community
in spite of the fact that it will generate pretty
massive tax dollars. You mentioned water, electricity, and noise. Now,

(01:28:07):
as I hear that with the exceptional electricity, which we
can deal with separately, water and noise, I am of
the mind because I've heard so many times that the
data centers don't necessarily depends on what type of system
they have to cool all the electronics, but they don't
use up the water. They merely bring the water out,
use it to recirculate it in a closed system, and

(01:28:28):
then put the water back. Now, some have pointed out
that well, during that loop process, chemicals are introduced and
pollutants are put into you know, as the consequence of
the pipes or whatever. So give them their due on that,
but that's something that seems to need to be easily
remedied if you have a regulation in place it says
the water coming out must be equally clean as the

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water going in. Hell, if we can scrub crap out
of coal production, I imagine we can manage doin a
little filtration on water. Right Tom, Well, see.

Speaker 7 (01:28:57):
Now again you're making another great points. We're exaggerating the
effects of these data centers and not even putting in
context of the you know, the steel plants we have
and all the auto manufacturing, and you know the things
that are using all kinds of chemicals.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
So let me give you an example.

Speaker 7 (01:29:17):
On Friday, I went to an open house in Shelersville Township,
which is in northern Portage County, for a data center
that they have that they're proposing there. And in social
media on Facebook, they're saying this thing is going to
use a million gallons of water a day and and
huge amounts of water. Okay, Now, I toms Awastowski went

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to Masson, Ohio to visit a data center that's already
built that this company is proposing at Shalersville. I go
to the data center and Brian, there's there's a racks
of computers and I've had racks of computers in my business,
and they give off a lot of heat, and right
across from them is a wall that looks like the
radiator in my car. Okay yea, And going through that

(01:30:02):
wall is the same stuff that's in the radiator of
your car that does what cools your engine.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
So the heat and the service goes through that wall
and comes out and it's cool on the other side.
When the time you put water in your radiator, Brian.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Well, last time you put water in your radiator never
really did mean a modern car. I'm not driving around
in a nineteen forty.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Get this, Get this.

Speaker 7 (01:30:26):
I gotta finish this because it's it's really a part
of the problem. So at this open house, they've got
to display that shows this is our closed loop system.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
By closed loop is.

Speaker 7 (01:30:37):
Like the radiator on your car. They're gonna use three
thousand gallons of water total. There's no well, they're not
drooling any wells, they're not putting any water back anywhere.
They fill it up, put the free on or whatever
the chemical is that doesn't and then that's it. People

(01:30:58):
would come to the open house, see that, talk to
a person who's like a technician who knows they're talking about, and.

Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Look at them and say I don't believe you. You're lying. Okay. Now,
this is the difference I want to make for you
and everyone.

Speaker 7 (01:31:14):
Listening between cracking, which is the fight that the Tea
Party fought in Ohio. We literally saved fracking in the
United States when the Left tried to kill it by
saying it's going to poison your water. It's gonna take
your water out of your well, your faucet's gonna start
on fire because the gas will go into your water.

(01:31:35):
All that stuff was lies that was put forward to
stop us from fracking.

Speaker 5 (01:31:42):
I thought that fight eleven years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:31:44):
The difference is back then I could have an intelligent
conversation with someone.

Speaker 5 (01:31:50):
Now, after you and I and every one of your.

Speaker 7 (01:31:53):
Listeners has been subjected to the COVID hopes, the twenty
twenty election hopes, Russia rush, Russia, social media censorship. The
difference today is that we've been conditioned to not trust
anyone or anything.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
So how do we have a conversation. How can I
bring facts to your listeners.

Speaker 7 (01:32:15):
When they believe some stupid thing on the internet for
no reason and they won't listen to any.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Facts, an ever growing problem. Tom Zawastowski that's get people
get in their closed speaking of closed loop, closed loop
information environment, only going to one source or sources that
they agree with or that appeal to whatever conclusion they've
reached and refused to use logic and reason to to
sort of listen to the retorts, listening to points that

(01:32:43):
you make. How can you argue that a closed loop
cooling system which doesn't spit anything out, is polluting our water.
It's a finite amount of whatever solution is in there.
Maybe they fill it with anti freeze, which has a
heating and cooling effect. Whatever, it's not going out into
the world. Now, that doesn't mean that all systems operate
that way, because I've been told some of the systems

(01:33:04):
draw water in and then put the water back out.
Let's say you got a river, and this is maybe theoretical,
but it's what I've been told. Water goes in, it
cools the plan, and it goes back out. To the
extent that system is in place in any given facility,
I think we have the technology to clean any water
that comes out. You could deal with that up front,
and you know, insofar as noise is concerned, you know,
we'll build windmill farms of thousands and thousands of acres

(01:33:26):
of droning, bird killing windmills the name of keeping carbon
dioxide out of the area. You gotta stare at them,
one hundred plus foot towers that are monstrous and ugly.
That's okay, no nimbi suit to keep that crap out
of your yard. And what does it give us? Inefficient
electricity production? It only works when the wind blows. But
that's okay. You got a small footprint AI facility which

(01:33:48):
apparently is churning out a lot of good in addition
to potential evil, but also provides some jobs and some
tax revenue for the area. People complain about it. Noise,
Oh they have noise, I mean so bran.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
It's almost it's eve. It's crazier than that.

Speaker 7 (01:34:06):
This data center is literally next to the Ohio Turnpike.
How much noise you think is coming off the Ohio
Turnpike in Massaline. I walked around the facility with a
noise meter, okay, and measured the noise all over the place.
They're literally our houses thirty five feet off the property

(01:34:28):
at this data center in Massaline, and the noise was
nothing less more than traffic noise. Okay, But again, you
got to have this conversation. And I respect the fact
that people, you know, they want transparency. And I listened
yesterday to the Ohio Channel testimony, the you know, the

(01:34:49):
negative testimony by citizens about data centers.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
Two things were really important there.

Speaker 7 (01:34:55):
The first one was there's a lot of government agencies
like township and county officials and economic development people who
are lying to people. Okay, And here's the problem we're having.
And I saw this yesterday, and you made a good point.
The problem is they're using the term data center, and

(01:35:16):
everyone thinks every data center is like the monstrosity in Utah.
They're proposing that's the size of Manhattan. Okay, so if
you say data center, they go immediately to that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:28):
But that's not true. Every data center is different.

Speaker 7 (01:35:31):
The ones we're talking about here in Ohio and some
of these places, and there are some big ones in
Allow two or three, but they look like the storage
units around Cincinnati where you store your RV or your boat.
I mean, it's nothing compared to the plants we see
all over Ohio. But here's the thing that we've got
to do. We've got to start to have a fair conversation.

(01:35:54):
And I wrote to Vivek Ramaswami. Yesterday I wrote to
Alex the chairman of the Public Party, and I said, guy,
you've got to understand we've got a real.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
Problem here because the Left is splitting our base.

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
The Left is getting us to go against the people
on our base who are now against data centers. And
if we're for them, we're gonna have a problem in
November with the election if we don't start to spend
money to get the truth out and to fight for transparency,
to basically say no Nbas and the Wine with his

(01:36:28):
tax ex breaks for data centers. There's no need for
tax breaks.

Speaker 5 (01:36:32):
For data data centers.

Speaker 7 (01:36:34):
They're making a ton of money and this data center
in Shaylersville isn't asking for any tax breaks.

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
We have to be on the side of those things.
And you know what we got to do.

Speaker 7 (01:36:44):
Most of all, you got to get the PUCO to
protect citizens' rate bills from data centers. This is not
the data centers saying, oh, I want you to pay
for my electricity. Read the article at read the People
Convention dot Org about this and you'll find that the
problem is the p CEO isn't protecting the citizens, not

(01:37:05):
that the data centers are trying to hurt you, and
that's part of the hearings that are going on. And
they're going to have more testimony on Thursday at the
Ohio Channel and you're going to see the Ohio EPA
and the Ohio UCO. Who are really the culprits in
this that need to protect us. It's not the data centers,
it's our government.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Let's pause from one web just a couple of minutes
left with Tom Zawastowski. We the People Convention dot org.
Find Tom bookmark the site you'd be glad you did.
To be right back. I first want to mention Prestigentia's
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We the People Convention dot org, where you can check

(01:37:45):
out the article we've been talking about this morning. The
anti data center hysteria is a foreign funded repeat of
every failed lu DAI crusade. I just love the headline there. Tom,
you dealt with the water lie at Closed Loop Systems,
and I guess according to the fun facts that this
article reveals, you know, may three thousand gallons maybe used

(01:38:06):
a day or something, which is less or typical about
office building. But moving aside from that, I appreciate the
interjection of the point about an average eighteen whole golf
course America south five hundred thousand gallons of water per
day during growing season, and nobody complains about a moratorium
one golf But over to the electricity, Clearly they use

(01:38:29):
a lot of electricity. Nobody can deny that. And you know,
we've struggled with peak power problems here. I know my
electricity bill went up because I guess do kind of
go out and buy additional electricity from the open market,
which costs a lot more over the wintertime. How do
we address that? My answer has always been, well, let
the data centers bring their own power supply with them,

(01:38:51):
and I always then default two small modular reactors. I
don't know if we're there yet, but we got regulatory
hurdles that put a problem in front of that. But
that's something that every community could bend fit from. If
they bring an SMR, it'll be more than enough to
power the AI facility in the neighborhood might get the
benefit of the extra power. Tom your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (01:39:08):
Yeah, you'll see an article on our website where people
Convention dot org where President Trump called all these data
center companies in and had them sign an agreement that said,
you will bring your own power, you will do exactly
what you said, and they're willing to do it. The
problem is, if you read the article that we're talking about,
they talk about how the public utility commissions in these

(01:39:30):
various states are stopping them.

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
From doing this. And in Ohio we've had just gross
mismanagement of our power.

Speaker 7 (01:39:38):
Again going back to hey, let's close twenty four coal
plants that would be really handy to have right now,
wouldn't they right? And we got all this coal, but
we got nowhere to burn it. You know, this is
part of the problem. And nuclear you know, Ohio led
in nuclear Backcox and Willbox out of Barbara to Ohio
like invented nuclear plants, and why aren't we doing that?

(01:40:00):
Well we're starting to, but we're behind the curve. So
your your point is really important. I want everyone understand this.
The bottom line is we can build safe data centers
that will benefit the community. What we need to do
is have transparency, no NDAs, no you know, not telling people.

(01:40:22):
What's going on from you know, the township trustees and stuff. Yeah,
and we need to answer their questions. And then in
this Sellersville site, here's the deal. I'm talking to the developers.
I'm saying, here's the deal. You're going to sign a
contract with the Sellersville's trustees that say.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
This is exactly how you're going to build it, just
like you said. And you're going to answer these specific.

Speaker 7 (01:40:43):
Questions about noise, about water, about power and all that stuff.
And then you're going to give us a guaranteed Instead
of projections about property taxes, you're going to commit to
some minimum payments that the community is going to get
because it's huge. I'm talking Schiller's your township. If this
data center does what they think it's gonna do, it

(01:41:05):
will double their township budget, double it. The school district
will get two million year.

Speaker 1 (01:41:12):
That's exactly what I was gonna ask. Aren't the teachers
unions in favor of this? Because of that point?

Speaker 7 (01:41:16):
Tom Well, the superintendent's eyes got real big when they
told her about that. And I we're gonna see how
much pressure the unions have from their communist brethren right
to to cut off their noses fight their face. So
then the third part is we're gonna have a bond
that's tied to this contract that says, hey, if the

(01:41:39):
closed loop system leaks, you know, there's insurance to cover for,
you know, fixing the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:41:45):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:41:45):
So and so the bottom line is we can do
this in an intelligent way without the hysteria. And yesterday,
I'll finish with this, but you'll let I lost it
when when I was watching it, here you just to say,
and a woman brought up Silent Spring, the Margaret Sanger
book about DDT care you're damaging the shells of birds,

(01:42:09):
you know, eggs, and how.

Speaker 5 (01:42:10):
We had to ban DT. She brought it up and
compared data centers to DDT. When that book was totally
disgraced and found there was a complete lie.

Speaker 7 (01:42:23):
Indeed, the banning of DDT actually killed hundreds of thousands
of people around the world because they couldn't use.

Speaker 5 (01:42:30):
It to stop mosquitoes. And they brought it up in
that hearing. That's the hysteria I'm talking about.

Speaker 7 (01:42:36):
You're making decision based on nonsense, right, the climate change,
you know, to the un just versus climate change, right, yeah,
because it's all bull crapck facts. Let's get to the
bottom of this and let's do what's right for America
and for our communities and for Ohio to Birch County.
Teaparty dot com. Also, you'll see this whole Shalersville thing

(01:42:59):
spelled out with all the details.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
Go to that too.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
There's another side to check out edition to week the
people at convention dot Org. Tom. It's always a pleasure
for having you on the show. Have a fantastic week
and keep up the great work, my friend. We'll deal
with you. We'll talk again next week. Seven fifty eight
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(01:43:22):
Bart News. Welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
Bright Bart National Security Editor John Hayward. Good to have
you back on, John knows, notably since we need to
talk about what in the hell's going on in the
situation between the United States Israel. Of course, Andy Ron,
welcome back. John.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Great to talk to you again. That's a pretty big subject,
no kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
And what an active day yesterday, you know, Honestly, John,
I I hate to, you know, sort of laugh sometimes
out loud about the whole thing. I mean, are we
in a ceasefire at any given time or not when
rockets seem to be going back and forth almost NonStop.
So there's that fun fact. But I had I saw
this yesterday quote. I had a conversation with beating net
y'all today. This is Trump asking him not to conduct

(01:44:02):
a major rate on Bay Root. He turned his troops around,
thank you, Bibe. I also had a conversation with representatives
of the leaders of Hezbala. They agreed to stop shooting
at Israel and as soldiers. Let's see how long this
Israel stopped shooting at them. Let's see how long this lasts.
Hopefully it'll be for an eternity, declaring a ceasefire at
Iran's behest, because Iran has linked the situation between Hezbala

(01:44:22):
and Israel with the broader straight of horror moves and
actions we have against the Iranians. Now, we haven't negotiated
a sea fire where we haven't negotiated peace yet with
the Iranians. Yet within hours of what Trump just I read,
we had the Hezbala launching missiles into Israel. I guess
they didn't get the memo. John, can you break this

(01:44:42):
down and explain it to me, because I'm a little confused.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Well, I think they got the memo. I think that
was very deliberate. The structure was created where we had
a ceasefire and it was based on Hasbola not shooting
at Israel. Israel said they would pull back from Beirut.
Lebanon announced it as well as Trump, so it seemed
like it was a real thing. And then Iran told
his Bola start shooting again. All they wanted to do
was was provoke and break up this seeming detante and

(01:45:07):
they did it in a matter of minutes, if not ours,
and his Bola was right back to attacking Israel. Iran
does this because they know that every time the ceasefires collapse,
it helps them delay and rebuild and continue their usual scam.
And they know at this point, their calculation is that
the US is so eager to have some kind of
negotiation in progress, to get some kind of a negotiated

(01:45:28):
deal that will look the other way while they do
these provocations. We'll let this slide, We'll find a way
to excuse it or say that it doesn't totally disrupt
the deal. The Iranians said when the israel first moved
into Lebanon Pass pay Route yesterday that they weren't going
to talk to us at all anymore, and so far
as I know, they haven't rescinded that declaration. So I'm
not sure there's really any kind of meaningful negotiation taking

(01:45:50):
place at all right now.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Well, which means what John, Because we've heard Donald Trump
threatened I'm going to go full on, you know, kinetic,
or blow them off the face of the earth, whatever
of rhetoric he is used in the past, never to
follow through with that. Does that not represent sort of
an acknowledgment that maybe we're not capable of dealing with
it and it's going to be a much bigger challenge
than it was painted to be at the outset. This

(01:46:13):
isn't overthrowing a single guy in Venezuela. This is dealing
with a religious fundamentalist reality among the Iranian people and
most notably the Iranian National Guard of the Iranian forces.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
Yeah, Unfortunately, I'm sure Trump has been appraised by military
planners that the only way to nullify Iran's threat to
the Strait Ramuz, which is the big sticking point right now,
is to invade and occupy the territory that they used
to attack it, which means boots on the ground. He
doesn't want to do that. The political costs of that
would be enormous. Iran's pretty convinced he won't do that,
and since they don't see any other proxy ground force

(01:46:47):
taking shape, that's important. You know, At some point in
this process, I think American planners may have thought that
other Middle Eastern countries or dissident groups like the Kurds
in Iran would be willing to rise up and take
arms and become ground force as proxies. But all of
the other Middle Eastern nations are scared to death of
Iran and they're refusing to do anything to fight back

(01:47:08):
against them when the Iranians bomb them, So none of
them is going to provide any kind of a ground army,
and efforts to use somebody else as a proxy have failed.
So the Iranians know that nothing they do is going
to trigger a ground invasion at this point, and nothing
would end their regime except a ground invasion, So they
really have no incentive to do anything. But what they're
doing just keep provoking, keep poking the bear, keep the

(01:47:30):
disaster rolling along. They're looking at the calendar in the
United States, the political calendar, the midterm elections are drawing
ever closer, and they're calculating that as long as they
keep doing this, the odds of them getting everything they
want and some kind of a negotiation are going to
be better and better.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
Well, whether or not the odds of them getting better
and better conditions in a negotiation, obviously that's going to
require some progress on negotiations. We don't seem to be
even negotiating right now. But I think what sounds to
me like they have appropriately calculated the landscape and time,
I guess is on their side. They know he's got
a political problem Trump does. They know the war is

(01:48:04):
not popular among the people, and the idea that all
of the Arab nations in the region, which ultimately I
think would really benefit immeasurably from the elimination of the
leaders in Iran. They're scared to death, in your words,
of the Iranians for the same reason I guess, we
don't try to open the strait of horror moves. They
can launch a bunch of missiles into these various nations

(01:48:24):
and pretty much wipe out their oil infrastructure, if not
their economies. Is that accurate, Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
The other Middle Eastern nations, especially Saudi Arabia, the United
Arab Emirates, Kuwait, places like that, they have valuable oil
infrastructure that's somewhat fragile that they can't defend completely from
swarms of drones and missiles out of Iran. And most
of those countries. I think we've learned over these past
few months. Those countries may spend a lot on their militaries,
and they may talk a lot about how fierce they are,

(01:48:53):
but they're not warrior nations. They're not militaristic. They are
no match for the Iranians in a straight up combat.
For years, they've been pretending they would be the Saudis
and the Amordis and everybody we're pretending to all together
they have a significant military force that checks Iran. That's
not true. None of them is really ready to fight
Iran in a pitched battle. None of them can absorb
the kind of casualties that Iran has demonstrated it's prepared

(01:49:16):
to absorb and maintain power. And all of those Sunni monarchies.
All the other Gulf countries, they have large populations of
chiaied Muslims that are loyal to Iran or sympathetic to Iran,
and they're all afraid that if they get into a
major conflict with the Iranians, their Shiite minorities will rise
up and cause them trouble, and theirs might be the
regime that goes down. So for all of those reasons,

(01:49:37):
all of those countries would rather pay ransoms and sit
back and let the Iranians dominate the Middle East. And
it's been sobering to discover that. I think a lot
of American planners didn't think that that was the way
this is going to go, but that is the way
this is going.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Well. Time is on their side as they delay this
process in order to bring about pain for Donald Trump
at the ballot box in November. But also they've been
using this time apparently to clear the entran since to
targeted tunnels they are rebuilding missile production side. CNN reported
about this just the other day about satellite imagery swing
that there's been a lot of repair that the Riunians
have been able to do in a fairly short period

(01:50:10):
of time, and of course, looming in the background of
all that is the unknown seemingly acknowledged by everyone's stockpiles
of missiles and drones that the Ritians seem to have
an unlimited supply of, which causes the very problems that
interfere with our ability to negotiate some resolution with them.
So John Hayward, where in the hell does this leave us?

Speaker 4 (01:50:33):
Well? I think one other factor is that one reason
Iran doesn't think Trump is going to go kinetic again
is that we rely on bases in those Arab countries
that are nominally our allies to do a lot of
those operations. And at this point, after what Iran has
done to them in their response, I wouldn't be surprised
if some of them refuse to let us do that again.
And I know the administration doesn't want to push that issue.

(01:50:53):
They don't want to say, Okay, we're going to renew
our attacks, are going to take out those Iranian drone stockpiles,
and we're going to destroy their missile capacity again. And
the Saudis, the Amordes, the Kuwaitis will say, no, you
can't use your basis in our country to do that.
We don't want to provoke the Iranians into attacking us again,
and nobody wants that to happen. Nobody wants to call
that bluff and have that actually occur. So yeah, really,

(01:51:15):
at this point, Iran's getting time to rebuild. They're putting
things back together. They're and it's going to take them
a long time to get back to where they were
before what we did to them. But they've demonstrated that
even at reduced capacity, there's still an existential threat to
the other countries in the region. And that lets the
exercise power. They have killing machines and they have the
will to use them, and the other countries around them

(01:51:35):
lack the will. In the end, all conflict is a
test of will, a test of morale, and Iran thinks
right now they've got things going their way in the region.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
Well, all this leads me to sort of conclude, and please,
Dear God, if I've missed something, correct me if I'm wrong,
because I'm looking for some note of optimism. This john
the idea that the Iranian people so sick of one
hundred percent inflation year over year, they had fifty three
point nine percent inflation. Of course, the Central Bank of
in one month they can't manage. The Iranian people are

(01:52:04):
starving and they have to be upset with their leadership.
Does their religious fundamentalism trump the pain that they're feeling,
the starvation that they may very well be feeling very soon.
I guess that's where my only glimmer of hope seems
to come from. A people, a populace that rises up
against the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
Well, for some of them, yeah, their fundamentalism does trump
everything else, and that's why they're sticking with this. But
the others are scared to death. They remember when they
rose up in January, the regime murdered forty fifty thousand
of them without blinking an eye. And however much Iran
has been degraded, they still can murder their own citizens.
That's not hard to do. When your population is unarmed
and you have murderous thugs ready to pull the trigger

(01:52:44):
on them. It's not that hard to keep a vast
population under control with violence. And the public knows if
they dare to come out right now and protests against
the regime, they'll be slaughtered in mass And I think
that's keeping them quiet. You know, they know nobody's going
to save them. If the regime starts doing that, they're
afraid to go out there and just be killed by
trying to stage inn uprising right now. Possibly another miscalculation

(01:53:05):
on the part of planners. Maybe they thought that once
we weakened the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Coourd, the public would
come out and feel like they can't be massacred again
like they were last time. But they apparently are still
scared to death of that. So I wouldn't look for
that popular uprising anytime really soon. If it happens, it'll
be a game changer one way or the other. It
could end in a massacre like nothing we've ever seen

(01:53:25):
before if they tried to do it, But who knows
would that even change world opinion. Would any of the
people that bailed on Trump when he was asking for
help during Operation Epic Fury. Would any of those other
countries change their minds if they saw one hundred thousand
Iranian citizens gunned down in the streets. I doubt that
they would.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
Well, we don't know what went on behind the scenes
when Trump decided to launch this military action against the Iranians,
but I have to say that I was one of
the folks that you know, I look at my Constitution,
I read declaration of war, and even though I think
the War Powers Resolution is in and of itself an
unconstitutional delegation of authority, at least it's on the books
requires some measure of congression, action and guidance that requires discussion,

(01:54:04):
and discussion ahead of time might have brought up all
of these terrible realities of what's going on in Iran
right now. We seem to have no options that will
allow us to declare a win. And it also seems
like we're going to end up leaving Iran and control
the Straight of Horror moves and build every part every
ship that goes through for some sort of fine or
toll or fee.

Speaker 5 (01:54:22):
But do we have.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
We are We're out of options, So are we? I mean, seriously,
have you the baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
Well to neutralize?

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
Do you think that these these problems that we're facing
now that seem, of course, with hindsight, to be so
maybe obvious. Do you think these conversations were had ahead
before we launched this strike or is this just are
these things that we just overlooked or didn't think were possible?

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
No, I think this was discussed within the White House.
The problem with trying to do it with Congress is
that there is zero transparency there. You know, anything you
say to Congress is going to get leaked, yes, from
public knowledge. And the opening movement here, remember, was this
devastating initial strike that took out the Ayatola and a
lot of the top leadership. There's no way they could
have done that if they didn't do it exactly the
way they did, acting with lightning speed and taking advantage

(01:55:13):
of an opportunity. That part was amazing. I like to say,
there's a lot of variables here. Yeah, there's a lot
to discuss, and I'm sure they talked about a lot
of this stuff and some of it was just a
miscalculation or misunderstanding. Some of it were gambles that might
have paid off and they just didn't. You know, some
of them are nasty surprises. I think a lot of
the behavior of the other Middle Eastern countries is a
genuine surprise because I'm sure a lot of those countries

(01:55:35):
talked very, very tough right up until the moment when
they revealed that they're actually craving, you know, I'm sure
that was a big factor in all of this.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Well, the decapitation strike that started this off seemingly brilliant, obviously,
with everybody packed in one room and one bomb blowing up,
effectively killing all of the leadership. You know, a La Maduro,
you would have thought that that would end up a
regime change, but boy, they've got enough people willing to
fill those the vacuum of leaders right away. It doesn't
seem to have had any impact long term in this conflict.

(01:56:03):
So great from an optic standpoint at the outset, but
the result not what anybody expected.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
Right in the end.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
The most important thing that happened after that was that
the IRGC, the military took over everything and is now
one hundred percent running the country in every way, and
they were ninety percent running it before. You know, it
was somewhat of an illusion that they ever had a
meaningful secular government, but most of that illusion has now
been stripped away. There's persistent rumors that the president, the
sudent Possesskiin has either threatened to resign or he did it,

(01:56:33):
and they're denying those rumors in Iran. But I wouldn't
blame him for being feeling frustrated and feeling like his
wing of the government has been rendered irrelevant. By everything
that's happening right now.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Well, John Hayward, the Breitbart's security editor, you want to
try to end on a note of optimism or are
we Are we in as dismal a place as I'm hearing.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
Well, I'll say one thing. This blockade of Iran is
definitely an effective tool. It is hurt them, and if
we keep it going for long enough, it might hurt
them enough where even the fanatics and the military types
are feeling the pinch and that want that to end.
If we can hold the blockade one hundred percent, there
are some rumors that we haven't been able to hold
it one hundred percent of some things have gotten through,

(01:57:15):
but it's definitely cut down Iran's commerce. It's definitely hurting
their economy, which was weak to begin with.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
That kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
Pressure can be very effective, but it's a test of will.
And on our side we have people grumbling about higher
gas prices and midterm elections coming out. The Iranians are
looking at where they think the finish line is and
how long they need to hold out to get there.
And I'm not sure they're wrong about the amount of
time left to really bring them to heal with this pressure.
So if Trump can think of another way to ratchet
the pressure up even more without going kinetic again, that

(01:57:43):
would help. If there's another card yet to be played
like that, but I'm not sure if.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
There is, John Herri Forrey Park Company. Where is China
in all this? I know they have a problem with
the straight uformos being closed also because obviously they get
most of their oil from the Iranians. But someone has
to be funding and supporting the iranians devastated economy. Someone
has to be supplying them with drones and arms and
missiles or other supplies they need to keep this conflict going.

(01:58:08):
Do you have any concept of where they are in
this role?

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
Well, yeah, that's China. They're big partners of Iran. They're
not really happy with a lot of what Iran has done.
They've made it publicly known that they're a little disgruntled
with some of the way Iran and Russia in Ukraine
have done things that have compromised China's long term plans.
But at the end of the day, Iran is a
part of their axis. They're not going to abandon them.
They're still their partners and they're looking forward to making

(01:58:32):
money on rebuilding Iran and rearming Iran when the crisis
is over. So China publicly calls for some kind of
a peace deal every day of the week, but they're
not going to do anything to actually change the calculations
or balance things out. I think maybe some American planners
thought China might be so distraught at the Strait of
Hormosbian closed that they would help to reopen it forcibly
by sending their ships to help police it. They've made

(01:58:53):
it clear they're not going to do that. So they're
getting some oil through the Straight of Hormos. We are
seeing a couple of ships pop through their misteeliously and
come out of the other side with oil. For China,
it's a fraction of what they used to get every day,
but it's enough to help them keep going, combined with
their enormous reserves, and unless things get a lot worse
for China, I wouldn't look for them to step in
with a strong hand against Iran and say, look, at

(01:59:14):
a minimum, you have to stop menacing straight or four.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
Months Rightbart dot COM's where you find my guests today,
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the retired lieutenant colonel has to say about a variety

(01:59:37):
of from matters military related of course, another day to
talk about the situation between the United States, Iran and
of course Israel and hasbolic because they all seem to
be baled up into one. Welcome back, Daniel Davis. It's
allays a pleasure to have you on.

Speaker 6 (01:59:50):
Always great to be here, Brian, thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
A very interesting day, on off, on off. Usually it
comes over spurs your washerants repeat. We've been joking about this,
and one day we're talking about negotiation. A few days
go by, the negotiations are off, bombs are going to
start dropping, then we're back at the table. So this
seems to be ultimately a delaying tactic. I get the
impression Donald Trump really does not want to start kinetic action,
and I know there's reasons for that which we can

(02:00:13):
get to. But yesterday he said there's a little glitch
but I turned that around very quickly. As you probably
noticed earlier. I spoke with Hesbala and I said no shooting.
I talked with Bebe and they said no shooting, and
they both stopped shooting at each other.

Speaker 5 (02:00:25):
And then.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
Hours later as Bala starts shooting at Israel again. So
it didn't work out real well. We never do start
launching a kinetic action. And you have proven yourself right.
I do believe, because I know a lot of people
were a little upset with you saying, you know, the
Iranians have a lot of missiles and a lot of
drones and they can do serious damage if we try
to open the strait of horror moves. The American military

(02:00:49):
would have opened this strait of horror mood it moves
if it had the ability to do so. Is that
a true statement there at the end, Daniel Davis.

Speaker 4 (02:00:57):
Oh yeah, it for sure is.

Speaker 6 (02:00:59):
I get puzzles sometimes why people get aggravated me, and
I see it on my own shows several times, like Fellows,
I'm just telling you what the reality is on the ground.
If you don't like it, you know, take it up
with Iran or US or Israel, etc. Because that's where
the fundamentals exist, and listen ya, Look, we wouldn't have

(02:01:19):
even gone to a ceasefire if we had the ability
to complete the job and to bring them militarily under submission.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
I mean, it would have been insane to do anything else.

Speaker 6 (02:01:27):
There's a reason why we accepted the ceasefire, because we
realized we were running too low on missiles and they
had too many left that we couldn't take out. And
none of that has changed, And in fact the only
thing that has changed is that they have more missiles
now that they had because they continue to manufacture them
underground where we can't reach, and they have cleared off
a lot of the tunnels that we blocked up with

(02:01:48):
some of the missiles where we could hit those have
now been opened back up. So we're in a less
good position than we were before because our inventories are
lower and we just don't have enough to be able
to hit that target set. That's the problem.

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
Well, in the Iranians are dealing with an economy that's
tanking and catering. I know inflation has gone through the
roof of the Iranian people are probably struggling mightily, although
I know the folks in charge really don't care what
happens to the people. They're religious fundamentalists and they're probably
eating well people be damned. They obviously are willing to
murder their own people. So this idea that we're going
to have some internal revolution to overthrow in the Iranian

(02:02:23):
Revolutionary Guard doesn't seem to be manifesting itself. So we
can wait around to see if that ultimately happens based
upon basically a starving population. But we still have their
ports closed, they have the straight of horror moves clothes.
So is this are we in a battle of attrition?

Speaker 6 (02:02:39):
Well, we kind of are, though I would I would
take a bit issue with the characterization there. The Iranian
leadership does care about their people, and the people aren't
just like held captive. I mean, they're protesting almost every
not in support of what their country is doing, holding rallies,
et cetera, because they view this as everybody against them,
and even those and I've talked to some of them
on by show of those who were adamantly opposed to

(02:03:01):
the regime now then they are supporting them, the whole
rally around the flag thing, because they're being attacked and bombed,
et cetera. During the active phase, and they're being blockaded
right now, and for sure they definitely are because they
told me this as well. The inflection is through the roof.

Speaker 5 (02:03:16):
They're shortages of a lot of things.

Speaker 6 (02:03:18):
But they view this as an existential threat that you
as you point out there, and therefore they are used
to dealing with this. They have done with this before
because of sanctions, because of the war against them with Irack, etc.
So they know how to suffer, and they feel like
this is an imposed situation. So they'll suffer for a
long time, I think, longer than we would be able to,
especially if those blockades remain in effect.

Speaker 1 (02:03:39):
Well, two components of everyone is against them. Well, with
the exception of I think what we probably thought, and
I'm guessing you probably have much better information than me,
that the regional Arab nations would have come to our
side and aid and defense, and yet that never happened.
We've talked about this before, Daniel Davis. They have not
because they realized that, like trying to send ships through

(02:04:01):
the Strait of Horror moves. The minute that something goes
wrong or they side with the Americans, the Iranians going
to start launching missiles at them. Like Kuwait received the
other day. I mean, so they're not they're step they're
holding back, and I think it seems to me becoming
more critical of the United States action of this. Do
the Iranian people along the lines of what you said,
take inspiration from the failures of both Russia and the

(02:04:23):
United States in Afghanistan like Lix and we can hold
out those people that you know, those two countries were
in Afghanistan for more than two decades and look who
had to leave, turning tail and running away without accomplishing anything.
We the Ruanian people can do that as well.

Speaker 5 (02:04:38):
Yes they do.

Speaker 6 (02:04:38):
They actually have sought that example many times because they do.
They feel like just like the Taliban outlasted us, just
like the muja Hadeen Alasta, the Soviets, just like the
continue on with Hezbola, with Hamas and the Houthis have
they have outlasted everything in the US and Israel has
brought to bear and they still remained viable. They say

(02:04:59):
we can do the same thing because they see the
resources on our side are are not inexhaustible.

Speaker 5 (02:05:05):
And the issue especially you point out why the.

Speaker 6 (02:05:07):
Golf Arab regimes haven't been more active in helping us
because they realize the same thing I talked about at
the top of this. They see that there's no military
solution and we can't knock out their missile capability. Therefore,
if we go back to war, it's going to get
even worse because they can't be defended. We couldn't stop
the missiles from falling on the golf Arab regimes, and
they wouldn't happen the next time either, and it would

(02:05:29):
cause permanent damage instead of the partial damage it has
so far. So they just want this thing to be
over and get back to making money and selling oil.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
Well over at this point. I mean, if we just,
let's say, theoretically pull the plug, or you know, maybe
it's an election in November and Donald Trump loses the
House and the Senate, they pass the War Powers resolution
that says pull the plug completely. That leaves the Iranians
and control the straight of horror moves, and they're going
to work that to their advantage, because that's what they're
trying to do right now. I mean, it's a it's
obviously we as we in the entire world, have learned

(02:05:56):
a vital critical piece of waterway.

Speaker 5 (02:05:59):
There.

Speaker 6 (02:06:00):
Well, listen, the Irrintians have been nothing but absolutely consistent
on this point. They say, we will never ever give
up control the straight of horor moves. They said, whether
it's negotiated settlement, whether you walk away, or anything else,
there is no scenario where we give away control over
the straight of Horror moves. I mean, they've codified it
into a system. Now they're working with the country Obama

(02:06:23):
because the territorial waters overlap in the middle of the strait.
So they say, no, that's it, this is just the
way it's going to be forward, So work it out
however you want. Now that being said, they still need
the work to come to an end because they need
the blockade on their stuff to come off, and so
they realize they're going to have to negotiate. And this
morning there's been a lot of statements from Iatola's, from
several religious leaders and government leaders emphasizing to the people

(02:06:46):
this is in Persian saying, hey, look, I know a
lot of people don't want us to negotiate, but we
have to because that's just how you manufacture power. It's
has to be both strength and negotiations.

Speaker 1 (02:06:57):
We got to do both.

Speaker 6 (02:06:57):
So even if you may not lock everything we're going
to have to do it, implying that they're ready to
make some concessions if they can get the things that
they have to have to have. But here's the big problem.
Two of the things they have to have are control
the straight and that Israel has to stop its war
against Lebanon. And that seems to be the longest pull
in the tent.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Humhm, Well, theoretically, and I appreciate the complications involved in
this suggestion. Hey, one of my listeners talk about all
these twenty years supply contract with various countries in the
Middle East are coming to an end, and these the
folks that are part of those contracts. The countries that
want to purchase the oil have obvious options in the
world to go out, like, for example, the United States,

(02:07:38):
who which is a wash in oil. We've now got
the Venezuela and oil production going on that's going to
be refined, so that's a source of oil. Are there
enough alternative sources that we could just say, you know what,
we've been dealing with this stuff for longer than I've
been alive, since World War Two. We're just going to
wash our hands of this. There's enough oil in the
world this isn't an opac era dominated era. Fine, go ahead,

(02:07:58):
you know close the straight up hormone is we don't
need it.

Speaker 6 (02:08:02):
Yeah, there's a lot of misunderstanding about how the oil
industry works.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
That is not the case.

Speaker 6 (02:08:08):
There is not plenty of oil. We are not a
washingt of oil. Not A lot of people aren't aware.
We are a net oil importer. So we have to import.
I want to say it's like three to four million
barrels a day more than we export because we export
a lot of things, but we also have to import.
And you talk about the Venezuelan oil for example, that
is heavy crew which can only be refined in a
few places that it can only be turned into certain products.

(02:08:30):
We have light sweet crude which can be refined into
like gasoline, but not into things like diesel, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
Jet fuel.

Speaker 6 (02:08:37):
That's one of the biggest productions out of the Middle
East that there is in the world. It's a huge
percentage of.

Speaker 1 (02:08:42):
It, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (02:08:43):
So it's not just the total amount of oil, but
it's what kind of oil and what does it turn
into that feeds the global economy. And there's so much
incredible important things out of the gulf itself, like fertilizer
thirty five percent of it, aluminum, helium, several other things
that you don't normally think of when you think of
oil or natural gas, but those things are all blocked off.

(02:09:05):
So it is critical and devastating to the global economy.
Every day this continues to go on.

Speaker 1 (02:09:10):
Well, that's why I ask you the question, Daniel. I mean,
I think people think you've made a certain measure of
credibility beyond me, and it can explain a little bit better.
It's not just going to be all rainbows and puppy
dogs and unicors, because we're going to get all these
oil contracts. Oil is a global market, and even if
we decide not to do business in the Middle East ourselves,
the rest of the world has to deal with it,
and the price of oil will be impacted by the

(02:09:32):
global demand and supply. So I hate to have to
ask this question, where does this leave us, Daniel? Well,
it leads us.

Speaker 6 (02:09:42):
In a position to where, for the first time, I
think in our lifetimes, we have a major international crisis
problem whatever you want to call it, that we cannot
solve with our power because we want to just impose
our will and say look, either you do this or
we're going to blow you up. Well, we've tried that,
and they can endure that bl up and for the
first time, they can also fire back in the ways

(02:10:03):
that we can't defend against. We've never been in this situation.
So we're gonna have to either do something. And I
know a lot of people are gonna hate this. They
definitely do in the White House. We're either gonna have
to concede something to them in order to get something
from them, and they're open to that, or we're gonna
have to just say, all right, we're gonna walk away.
Because if we said all right, get it, I don't
care you didn't give me what I wanted, we're gonna go.

Speaker 4 (02:10:24):
Back to war.

Speaker 6 (02:10:24):
Then we're gonna just devastate our economy, the global economy,
because they have the capacity, beyond our desires, to strike
back in ways we can't endure. And that's the problem
that too many, too few people understand. We don't get
to just call the shots this time. We're gonna have
to negotiate, and if we want to get something this time,

(02:10:45):
we're gonna have to give something.

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
Seems to be a collective failure of the decision makers
leading up to this initial attack to contemplate the complexity,
or do you think that they actually factored this in
the equation and thought that that initial strike on the
thirty plus military leaders was going to decapitate the regime
a la Maduro grossover calculation on that, as it turns out.

(02:11:08):
But are we just being Hindsight's twenty twenty or was
this information readily available to the decision viakery It was
definitely available.

Speaker 6 (02:11:15):
I've talked to Joe Knt, who resigned as the number
two the od and I the Director of National Intelligence,
just a couple of days ago, and reiterate. He reiterated
that to me, he said, every bit of this was
leading to us people inside the White House that were
pleading with the President that it was likely that they
were going to take the straight of horror moonies, that
we couldn't knock out their missile factories, and then it

(02:11:36):
was going to definitely, you know, harm our national economy
in ways that we can't rectify easily or quickly, and
that the people weren't going to rise up against the
Ietola and the decapitation wasn't going to take out their
system of government. We told them all of those things
ahead of time. But there was another group that says, no, no, no,
they're wrong. Actually it will it'll be like Maduro, It'll
be like Venezuela. As soon as you take out these guys,

(02:11:58):
they'll just fall apart. They've never been more weak than
they are, and et cetera. Turned out that that was
actually just a myth and a claim that these people
who wanted the war were selling it. They were never
weaker than they had been in all these years. They
were as strong as they had ever been. It was
kind of just a normal state. They weren't that week.
So President Trump was sold to bill of goods by
a lot of people who should know better, and unfortunately

(02:12:20):
he listened to them instead of the group that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:22):
I just described. Finding ourselves in a quagmire. Hmm, snafu,
Charlie fox Trot. Throw it into some category. It's reality. Good,
it's cold water. We're gonna it's cold water reality, but
it's reality. Nonetheless, you know, I appreciate you. You're just pointing,

(02:12:42):
putting a point on everything and providing us with all
the information we need to know because we seem to
be in a very major, major problem. They have to
put one of the l column Daniel Davis, and I
hate to have to say that out loud on a
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

Speaker 6 (02:12:55):
You know, like a businessman man, sometimes you got to
put an L in there. If it's losing proposition, don't
dig deeper, don't throw more money down the pit, cut
it off, say it's a bad situation, and move on
to something else, which we can do.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
Yeah, and looming behind that reality the Sands situation with
regard to our arms, as you mentioned a moment ago.
I mean, we have a finite amount of arms. We've
used a lot of them, and there may be future
battles to wage, which is problematic for the United States
of America. Daniel Davis, deep die find your podcast where
you find him on where you find your podcast. We'll
do this again next Tuesday. Maybe we'll get some good news.

(02:13:28):
I keep saying that, Daniel, but I can like to
I can hope again.

Speaker 6 (02:13:31):
No fact that it runs is sand this morning telling
their people, Hey, we need to have to negotiated settlement
means that there is a window open there. So maybe
Nick's Tuesday, we'll.

Speaker 5 (02:13:38):
Be able to go through it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:39):
Fingers crossed Daniel Davis, thank you so much. Have a
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