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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Station. It's seven thirty two on a Friday. Even a
happy one to you, Brian Thomas here and please to
have in the studio Judge le din co Locker. The
name sounds familiar. Gee, where have I heard the word
dink Locker before? Judge dink Locker. A pleasure to have
you in the studio.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Thank you so much for having me here today. I'm
honored to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
And I've known your father, Judge Patt dink Locker, a
long long time. I don't recall ever being in front
of him in court, but he, I mean widely accepted
across political lines as an outstanding jurist. So you come
from great lineage. Let me just applaud you on your
dad being who your dad is.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thank you. I've truly blessed.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
And I'm probably inspiring to you as well.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
So absolutely yes.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Did you aspire to be a judge when you went
to law school?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
So a lot of people ask me that obviously with
my dad, you know what I always said, you know,
I'll just keep my opportunities open and see what happens.
I knew I wanted to be a prosecutor, and that's
what I was for almost thirteen years before I took
the bench. But it's pretty cool to follow on your dan's.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Footstets, I imagine. So it's interesting you say that because
when I went to law school, I initially I wanted
to be a litigation attorney of some sort. And I
initially thought, hey, I want to work in the prosecutor's
office because I worked in the courthouse for a Judge
Panioto back when the when Domestic was on the fourth
floor of the Hamler County Courthouse. I go way back,
but I was around them all the time, and I

(01:29):
got to do what they called an externship when I
was in law school and I worked for Melbourne Marsh Prosecute. Yeah, okay,
love her, Yeah yeah, she is outstanding. So a great
collection of folks there. So I'm glad you spent time
in the prosecutor's office, which obviously really prepares you to
be on the on the bench. You were appointed last

(01:50):
is it March? Last March by the Governor de Wine, Yes,
replacing Judge Megan Shanahan. Yes. Yes, did you apply for that?
I mean, was your name submitted?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah? Sure, so obviously when Justice Shanahan was elected to
the Supreme Court, that spot was open, so I interviewed
in front of the Judicial selection committee. The party then
you know, made their recommendations to the governor. Then I
went up to the Governor's office and I interviewed, and
then several months later I got the appointment in March.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
That is outstanding. Obviously a lot of competition out there,
and it's very politically charged, I imagine and process. Even
though it just should be built on your resume and
your background, there's still politics involved, right clearly. I mean,
Governor de Wines, whatever we might say about him, isn't
going to appoint a Democrat to the bench, I would say,

(02:44):
But you don't run it. You don't run under a
party affiliation when you're running for judge. And that's one
of the complicating factors because you and I both know
and fully understand how important the bench is. We've had
such a problem with crime in the Hamilton County generally speaking,
and part of the downfall of the criminal justice system is,
you know, the prosecutors might do their work. The police
have certainly done their work to bring someone to justice,

(03:05):
otherwise they wouldn't be, you know, in front of a
judge with the prosecutor's office prosecuting the case. But if
you have a weak judge or someone who isn't tough
on crime, they let them go low bond or a
very very low sentence on and once convicted beyond a
reasonable doubt. That's a huge, huge, huge problem we face
in Hamilton County.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, and you know, I can only control what goes
on in my courtroom. You know, the safety of the
community is a top priority in my courtroom, as it
is under the law. You know, I took an oath
to follow the law. I take that seriously. I believe
in law and order. I believe in the rule of law,
and I believe in protecting this community. In my courtroom.

(03:45):
I do set my bonds on serious felonies, felonies of
the first and second degree, because I think it's important.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, I know people have in the community appreciate that.
We'll pause, We'll bring Judge denk Locker back for a
few more conversations coming seven thirty seven right now fifty
five KRCD talk station or more conversation more properly stated.
But first I gotta mention Susane Low's camp with Cross
Country Morriage. She's great at talk station seven forty one
here fifty five KRCD talk station, right Thomas with Judge

(04:15):
dink Locker, not the one you may remember, historical and
prominent judge, Judge Patrick Dinklocker. This is his daughter, but
appointed by Judge or by Governor Mike DeWine last March
to sit on the Hamlin County Common Police Court. Doing
a wonderful job so far, and we'll be running for
reelection this November. I've always found the judicial elections rather frustrating,
Judge dink Locker, because if you're outside of the law,

(04:38):
and hopefully the vast majority of people are who wants
to be even embroiled in a civil litigation because you
know that equals a lot of money. Right, lawyers are expensive.
I know because I was one. I guess they still am.
But I'm a recovering lawyer so they don't practice anymore.
But you know, criminal matters as well. I was kind
of curious to know, given the state of the world

(05:02):
these days, how difficult it is to be a judge.
I mean, you're responsible for convicting people and are rather
sentencing people in criminal trials, assuming a jury or you,
if you're doing a bench trial, decide that the person
is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. A lot of it's
focus on you, a lot of attention. Family members quite
often get vocal and angry, and I imagine there's this
online social media banter, maybe even having a misunderstanding of

(05:28):
what actually happened in your courtroom. How do you how
are you able to rise above that and continue to
do your job in the face of this sort of
what I will, you know, lightly call a threat?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
No, sure, well, you know, I just always keep my composure.
That's my job. My job is to be fair and impartial,
and I just you know, I let everyone have their
day in court. I let everyone tell me what they
want to tell me, even though sometimes it can be
out a line or whatever. I just still keep my

(06:01):
composure and I'll take a break if I need to
step off and just take a deep breath. That's what
I do. But yeah, I mean, I know it sounds
silly to say this, but you know, one of the
hardest part, the hardest part of the job is some
of the decisions I have to make. They are they
can be really tough. Some are easier than others. Because

(06:22):
every decision that I make is affecting somebody's life, whether
it's a criminal case or a civil case. And that's
that's huge, you know. So that's why I take every
decision I make very seriously. I put thought into it,
and you know, and follow the oath that I took.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, the repercussions are profound. The individual who may or
may not be going to jail, the family members that
love that individual, regardless of what they may have done.
You know, they may have anger. We've seen that most
recently with the whole Hinting situation. Some people come completely unglued.
So there's that tragedy. There's a tragedy surrounding the victim
and their families, and they need for accountability and justice

(07:01):
for them. And then there's society at large, and most
notably when it comes to bond hearing, this has to
be rather difficult. The person has yet to be convicted,
and this is the argument you get from the left.
Wait a second, we're innocent until proven guilty. And yet
you're going to hold this person in jail unless they
can cough up whatever amount of money or no bond

(07:22):
at all, because they represent such a profound threat to society.
That's the judgment you have to make as a judge,
and that cannot be easy.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I agree, I think setting bond is really hard. But
you know, I know the law. There are certain factors
that we are to consider, and I consider those each time.
And one of those factors is the safety of the punity,
the history of the defendant, the serious nature of the charges,
and among other things, and I consider all those when
I make my decision.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
And making that decision, notably, you'll have let's say, a
recidivous they got a long record, including maybe some violence
and things of that, and okay, that's an easy one.
The crime that they're charged with in the court again
not yet proving guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But do
you look at the evidence that's been presented to you, like,
for example, the grand jury conclusions, or what the officers

(08:10):
have by way, or what the prosecutors have by way
of the evidence they plan on presenting at the criminal trial.
Does that have a bearing on that bond decision.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, so, I think the strength of the evidence is
one of the factors. And you know, at every bond hearing,
the state is there, the prosecutor, so obviously I listen
to what the state has offered, what the defendant has offer,
if there is a victim present, I listen to what
they have to say, if there's a police officer, and
then I just ticket all under consideration and do what

(08:41):
I think is the right thing.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Do what you think is the right thing. And if
you're springing from you know, concern about the population generally,
and that the you know, the the the legs of
the criminal justice system are all there, and if you're
working off of the right set of principles, it just
I get the impression, and I'm not asking you to
see if you a similar impression, that some judges are
so politically charged in their decision making they walk in

(09:07):
with this general presumption, not treating every case individually, but
general presumption that society is the fault or the reason
that this defendant is at front of me, and I
can't get a high bond on them, or I can't
charge them heavily after conviction beyond a reasonable doubt because
this poor individual is a victim of society. Ignore the

(09:28):
victim of the crime that this person committed, but society
generally speaking being as corrupt as it is, so I'm
going to treat them lightly. That to me corrupts the
criminal justice system.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah, and like I said before, I can only control
what goes on in my courtroom. And I, like I said,
I took an oath fall law and that's.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
What I do. Forty six will continue one more with
Judge Leah Denka Locker, who you can stick around. Plus
after the top of the air news have some time
to talk. Phone calls included in Jay Reach seven fifty
one if you five k se the talk station. Brian
Thomas enjoying my conversation an opportunity to meet Judge Leah

(10:10):
dan Callocker appled by Governor of Wine last year in
March took it over Judge Megan Shanahan's seats since she
was elected the houh of Supreme Court. Doing an admirable
job thus far. She liked to retain the seat. She'll
be on the ballot this November. Get in touch with
you judicial elections. Find out who's on the ballot, find
out who's tough on crime and who understands the justice
system generally. And it sounds me from my early my

(10:30):
first conversation whether she's got a great handle on all
that every case treated individually and of course the community
is factored into the decision making when it comes to
both bonds, hearings and sentencing, we have to remember the victims' families,
but also taking into consideration the obvious ripple effect criminal
activity invites them on so many people and over to trends,

(10:54):
I asked you off air, judge, and I could have
guessed it, but it comes as no shit. Drugs seem
to be the big problem. The reason people end up
in the criminal justice system is some connection with drugs.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, I would say the majority of the cases on
my docket involved drugs, whether it's simple possession or because
of a drug problem. You then commit other crimes, and
then there is mental health you know, issues mixed in
with that as well.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah. I mean, I think anybody knows anything about drug
addiction and the use of drugs. A lot of people
are self medicating for an underlying mental health problem. I mean,
even if something is problematic or as minimal as general anxiety,
you know, people like to booze it up to deal
with that. Well, you got some people with big time
mental challenges, psychosis and things of that, and they're going

(11:45):
for fentanyl and a lot of other hard drugs to
sort of cope with their mental illness. Can you refer
someone in your courtroom over to the mental health court
because it's two separate courts downtown, correct.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
So there are some judges on our court that have
mental health court dockets, so they're still a common police
judge like me, but they do have a specialty docket.
So yeah, so sometimes they will be evaluated for mental
health court, and if it's appropriate, then we can refer
them to that judge and they'll be on that docket
and see their case through through mental health court, all right.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, and then of course the drugs, the property crimes
directly related to it. It even sometimes the violence, which
is I don't understand how anybody could drive by a
group of people and just unload their fully automatic glock
switch glock into a crowd. Is that I'm not sure
if you have any inside information on that, but that

(12:38):
happens so seemingly frequently. Is that gang related activity that
has a connection with drugs? Is that what we're seeing there?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't know, I think yeah, I you know, I
dealt with a lot of those cases as a prosecutor.
I don't I think the police would be able to
that more.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Sorry, that's okay, sponge Yah asking because I'm curious. I understand.
I'm curious a bunch of other people who are curious.
Are you getting the resources you need? As you have
sat on the bench now for coming up on a year,
you feel like that you have adequate resources?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
I do, Yeah, I do. You know, you go through
a lot of training through with the Supreme Court. I
also have colleagues, you know, on the bench, other judges
that have welcomed me, and people I can you know,
go to and ask questions. Uh. And you know I
am familiar with a lot of the attorneys, you know,

(13:35):
because I practiced in the court room for almost thirteen
years before taking the bench. So yeah, I do feel
like I have enough resources.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, we hope you stay on the bench. November is
the big election coming up, and it's going to be
here before you know it. Folks, take care of in
mind your judges. Gop judges dot com I believe was
one of the websites that used to do that. But
we'll have judged in clocker on now and it's several
times hopefully for the election of November. She'll have her
website up and running in short order. She's working on

(14:04):
solidifying that right now. So I figured in a matter
of a very short period of time, maybe within a
week or two, perhaps your site will be up and
we'll of course bring that up so you can check
out the resource and maybe help out a campaign a
little bit. Everybody to run for office, of course, needs
a little bit of assistance, so I think she's a
worthy person for that assistance. Judged ink Locker, it's been
a real pleasure having you in studio today. I appreciate

(14:26):
your efforts in coming down and I hope we will
talk between now November.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, thank you so much once again, thank you for
this opportunity. I really really appreciate it. I'm honored to
be here. Thanks for inviting me, and I do hope
I can come again in the future.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
You will listen up, Bert, the offer is going to
be extended. You a hear from her on this fifty
five Caresey Mornings show between now November. That's cause she refused.
I doubt that's going to happen. Can you give me
a favor and tell your dad high I will.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Thanks, thank you, I have a great day.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
After the top of the arready, it's kind a half
hour to talk before we get to Ihart media aviation
expert Jay rat Love, maybe something's in the back of
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