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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The talk station.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Fifty five KRCD Talk Stations five oh five. Wednesday morning,
June the seventeenth, Allred, another year is flying by. Good morning.
I'm damn Carol. Brian Thomas has the day off, thanks

(00:34):
to Joe Strecker for letting me come back to the
big chair. Brian Thomas just one day off. He will
be back tomorrow, so we are all looking forward to that.
I sit down in the chair today and I see
Joe Strecker has put before me. Joe, this is the
entire report from Campaign zero. Okay, page one. It's going

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to take me the whole show to read this whole report, Joe.
I haven't ai to it to get an encapsulation yet,
but look, I think we pretty much know. And I
was listening yesterday and am I right? Signal nine was
here for an hour. Half an hour felt like an hour.
But Signal ninety nine has a pretty good, I think,

(01:25):
pretty good take on the organization that put this out,
and I read where they were standing behind their methodology
and standing behind Look, this is campaign zero and the
tagline that's on the front page of their report. Joe,

(01:46):
I think this tells you a lot about what Campaign
zero is. Here's their tagline, we can live in a
world beyond policing. We can live world beyond police. So
I think that tells you a lot about what Campaign
zero is about. And if I've got to, I'm gonna

(02:08):
I'm gonna get into this a little bit heavier, a
little bit late. We've got Ken Kober on the show today.
I texted Ken the other day. I guess it was
yesterday or the day before. I don't know when I
knew I was going to be on today and Joe,
to my understanding, Kenkober has not yet been on to
address this and give his feelings on this. Is that correct?
So we will hear from here on the on this audience,

(02:29):
the fifty five k SEE Morning Show audience will hear
from Ken Kober. That is going to happen at what
time I've got him from seven thirty today. Jack Atherton
will be here with the Big Picture, as Jack always
does on Wednesdays, so it's always great to hear from Jack.
Apparently he'll be talking about the is it the founders

(02:52):
of the Democrat Party, Democrat founding fathers? Okay, and it'll
be great to get Jack's take on that State rep
Adam Byrd will be here at eight oh five, and
a couple of things I want to ask him about.
One is that Mike the Wine is abandon abandoning any

(03:17):
support that he had for the death penalty. I never
really had a sense that Mike the Wine was a
huge proponent of the death penalty, although he apparently did
help or did had a big hand. I guess in
Ohio's current policy as it relates to the death penalty,

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but it's been what has it been fourteen years something
like that since the death penalty has been used in Ohio.
And now, of course we have Connie Pillach who has
stepped up her efforts to make sure that no one

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or I guess the people on death row get let
out of death row. She's hired the head lawyer from
the Innocence Project to lead her her team that is
going to review Hamilton County convictions. Cincinnati lawyer Donald Caster
spent the past two decades taking on Hamilton County prosecutors

(04:25):
and court challenging convictions he considered to be wrongful, fighting
the free people that had spent years in prison. Now
he gets to do that work. I guess he'll have
an office inside the Prosecutor's office. Her conviction Integrity Unit
is up and running, and Connie Pilach is going to
ride to the rescue of many who have been wrongly convicted.

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So I think Darcher's frantistic. Let's see, yeah, yeah. Here's
the group that spoke about their findings. The Campaign Zero
Defense did its report on Cincinnati police stops. Sixty seven
page report examines racial disparities and police stops. Also stated
that black individuals were more likely to be searched arrested subjectively.

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And I thought Chris Smithmon was great on this when
he was on with the Smither event the other day
and he said, look, I mean these communities where these
stops are happening, the people from these communities have come
and said, please come and police our communities. The vast

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majority of people in Cincinnati, the vast majority of people everywhere,
do not want to live in a crime ridden area.
That's it. The vast majority of people want to be
able to walk down the streets without having to look
over their shoulder. The vast majority of people would love

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to live in an area where there's not bars on
the windows. Vast majority of people want to be able
to go to bed at night and not worry about
someone breaking into their house or kicking the door down,
or having bullets come through their walls and windows. The vast,
vast majority of people simply want peace and quiet and

(06:19):
to have a neighborhood where they can live and not
worry about their kids playing outside. So and Chrismytham and
made the great point the other day that these communities
where you have largely black populations have come in and said,

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please have more patrols in our neighborhood, please come in,
crack down on crime. So what happens. We acquiesced those requests,
and then he comes here comes Campaign zero saying, oh,

(07:02):
look at these disparities. So, oh my god, look at this.
And and to the credit of and I was very
impressed with it all. Going to talk to Ken again,
Ken Kobert is. I'm not going to get into a
big long thing on this right now, but I was
very impressed with the letter the Chief Handy put out
to the men and women who wear the uniform every day.

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And he and he simply said that the you know,
this notion of pointing the racial finger at the men
and women who put on the uniform every day and
go out on the streets and put their well being
and their lives on the line every single day, that

(07:44):
he is going to stand with them. So I appreciate that.
I also appreciate the fact that he said that the
city manager is in agreement with him. Let's see Campaign
zero welcome the city man's decision to conduct an independent review.
During the press conference, the organizations organization revealed it had

(08:07):
held two community Leader information centers. Let's see. I thought
I read where in one of these stories, and I'm
going now, I'm now, I don't have it in front
of me right now, but I thought I read where
they also, I guess offered to come in and this

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is where that I guess where they want to get paid.
They want to come in and I guess get paid
by the city to to help fix these things, to
help correct you know. Now, I guess, I guess now
they have you know, whatever the fix is that needed
for this, and I guess that's where they want to
get paid. So we'll see what ken Komer has to
say about it. And that's coming up a little bit

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later on. Also, I was looking at Joe, did you
watch over the weekend the UFC fight at the White House.
I know you had to come in early Monday morning,
so I guess they got started a little bit late.
The dagone thing ran till one o'clock in the morning,

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but it was absolutely fantastic. And I just love all
the Democrats and the leftists who are bent out of
shape because we had this spectacle at the White House,
but for TV purposes, for the show that was put on,
the talent that was on display, the flyover, the patriotism,

(09:40):
all the rest of it just absolutely fantastic. And then
of course we come to find out that there was
a terror plot that was associated with this as well,
and the FBI broke it up. And I love the
headline that the New York Post put on this heavily armed,
ticked plotted to attack UFC Freedom two fifty White House

(10:04):
event after railing against Trump, billionaire and Israel is what
the FEDS had to say. And of course the initial
reporting said the first arrest that was made in this
happened where do you know where, Joe right here in Cincinnati.
Now I think that's been changed since the initial reporting

(10:27):
came out on that, but it turned out it's someone
in Ohio. Charges happened in at least four states, California, Missouri, Ohio,
and Nebraska. So we'll get into some details on that
as well. So a whole lot of stuff to get
to today and including our great guests. So it's going

(10:51):
to be a big day and we hope you can
stick around for it. On fifty five, KRCP talks to Strong,
I could listen to the whole thing. Love me a
little heart now, but you gotta love the New York

(11:15):
Post Only The New York Post writes headlines like this,
TikTokers heavily armed TikTokers plotted to attack the USC Freedom
to fifty. Fanatical TikTokers armed with assault rifles plotted to
attack UFC Freedom Too fifty at the White House Sunday
night after revving each other up over Jeffrey Epstein, billionaires, Israel,

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and a hatred for President Trump. According to court papers
and sources who spoke with The Post, the multi phaced
plot called for explosive drones to strike the South lawn
during the event, forcing attendees to flee outside the White House,
where a sniper team could pick them off. The FBI

(12:03):
foiled the plans by infiltrating signal chat groups where they
were planning a coordinated attack to kill President Trump and
other government officials. According to federal crime complaints and affidavits
unsealed Tuesday, at least five's suspects were arrested and up

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to ten others wanted in connection with the plot, law
enforcement officers said, and ten others are wanted, I should
say the sucks best face life in prison for the
murder charge and up to five years for conspiring to
commit an act of violence at the White House. You
only get five years for that. So just me, Joe,

(12:48):
does it seem like if you conspire to commit an
act of violence at the White House, this five years
seem like the right? Seems like you should be a
little little stiffer than that. Yeah, Judge Samantha Silverstein, we'll
take issue with that, right.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
The ultra religious Gorillas espoused anti government or anti Israel
views and had initially started plotting in a tik top
group called Vanguard of the Old. So just let me look,
I'm not on TikTok and maybe if you are, you
can help. Maybe Jack Atherton's on TikTok is Jack Atherton

(13:29):
on TikTok, is he I'll have to ask Jack about this.
If you're going to plot an attack on the White
House and a terrorist style attack with drones and snipers
and all the rest of it, is it a good
idea to go on TikTok and discuss those plans? Just

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asking you if you have any intention of actually carrying
those plans out and keeping these things under wraps? Is
that Is it a good idea to do that on
TikTok or any social media? You know? Dave Hatter could
probably answer that question. I don't. I don't think it's
a good idea. But they had a TikTok group called

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a group called Vanguard of the Old. This was going
on in March before they moved conversations to a private
signal group called Hunters. So if if they knew all
about it, the FEDS did, I'm not sure how private
it really was. The quintent was charged in at least

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four states, California, Ohio, Missouri, Nebraska with conspiring to murder
members of the government and others after the parent of
one of one of them alerted local police. President Trump,
Vice President A. JD. Vance Elon Musk, Prime Minister Benjamin,
and Yahoo were all named as potential targetsition to members

(15:00):
of Congress and a West Virginia state lawmaker. According to
court documents, as many and as deadly as we can get,
said suspected ringleader Abraham her most Sillo Alvarez said in
one of the messages. Another tyson, Proper, was arrested June

(15:23):
tenth after his mom notified the Danville, Ohio Police Department
and Knox County Sheriff's Office. So good for you, mom,
dropping dime on your own son. That is outstanding. You
see something, say something, and in this case it worked.
How many times have we seen people frustrated that they

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actually saw something, they actually said something, and then nothing
gets done. Well, in this case, it apparently did. She
was concerned about her son's recent firearms purchases and communicating
with certain individuals online. According to the affidavit, those persons
claim to be ex military and Christian based. The mother

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later said in a phone interview with an FBI Task
Force officer their grievances included government corruption, the handling of
the Jeffrey Epstein files, data centers, taking up all the
water in the communities, and other government actions as well
as billionaires and capitalist elitist. That sounds like the Bernie

(16:34):
Sanders agenda right there, doesn't It doesn't that sound like
all the kind of stuff that Bernie Sanders talks about.
And maybe AO a little bit AOC right there. Maybe
they should be questioned about this, Maybe their rhetoric needs
to be examined. Maybe maybe you know, they should be
questioned because it seems like this plot and the kind

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of things that these folks were upset about comes right
out of the dnc TO talking points. So I don't know,
maybe someone will be asking those questions, but we will see.
We got to get to a quick break, but uh,
way to go mom. One call from mom, and the

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whole thing just unraveled like a chief suit. But good
work by the FEDS and good work by the FBI.
The terror plot did not happen. God Bless America five
twenty six fifty five, KRCV Talk States America two fifty
His Story five twenty nine fifty five KRC Dan Carroll

(17:45):
and for Brian Thomas. And usually around this time in
the morning we hear from Tom and Tom is back
on the line again this morning, and Tom, how are
you this morning?

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Oh? I'm all right, Dan, How are.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
You doing all right? What you got out for me today?

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Well, you know, I'm listening to the stuff you're talking about, Yeah,
and uh, scratching my head and wondering how anyone could
possibly believe that we do not need policing. I mean,
your your story you ended the last segment with, is
is more proof that See mom is policing her children,

(18:22):
right My mom is walking over mom? Is mom is
keeping an eye on things to make sure that the
the young wings are on the straight and narrow, see
something that's that's not correct, and then does what you
supposed to do well, and then you know the rest. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
I read the tagline that's right on the Campaign zero
report and it says right here, we can live in
a world beyond policing.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
So no, we can't. We can't because according to.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Them, according to them, we can. And I know, I know,
I know, you know our public office is relying on
their expertise to point out the racial disparities that that
exists in the in the Cincinnati Police Department.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Well, if there are racial disparities in the number of arrests,
the number of stops, or whatever, maybe it's may it
may not be due to the police going after a
certain race and not going after others. It may be
due to who's actually doing the things that are causing

(19:26):
to get pulled over or searched or whatever. I mean,
that's you know, that might have something to do with it.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
You know, Tom, that way of thinking, that way of
thinking when it comes to arresting people who commit crimes,
or actually knowing who commits crimes, that is so nineteen seventies.
That think you so outdated. You just really are not
very progressive in your thinking at all.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
My friend, what do they want tos to do? Sit
there and look sit there and look at somebody doing
something suspicious and go, oh, wait a minute, black, I've
already searched two black people tonight. I'm going to leave
that one go. Isn't that racism?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Well, apparently apparently this group has the answers for these problems,
but you know, uh, the money, the money is going
to have to flow before those answers are right, right. Yeah,
So that's a great point.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's actually probably the best point of that whole story
is if somebody wants to get paid, And isn't that
pretty much the story of how everything goes, somebody just
wants to get paid. I want to get paid, Well,
you go ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah. They were talking to local media. They were talking
to local media yesterday, and and what I glean from
that is that, hey, we've pointed out the issues. We
can come in now and we can uh, you know,
get things squared away here. But of course there's going
to be you know, a contract with probably uh you know,
seven or eight figures attached to it.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Huh at least, yeah, at least. So I want to
get paid. So but I'm on the thinking that I'm
gonna go ahead and sit in this line of traffic
to get into my job site today, and I'm gonna
work ten hours and do the things that I gotta
do that my boss has asked me to do so
I can get a paycheck. And that's how I'm gonna
get paid. I'm not gonna get paid by making up

(21:15):
some BS crap and and then trying to trying to
pilfer off of the off the taxpayer. And that's I'm
not gonna do that because I got a bit of
a conscience and I realized that I need to work
for what I get, just like most everybody else does.
The vast majority of people do. And I know that
probably one hundred percent of his listening audience believes that

(21:35):
you want something, you got to get up and go
earn it and then you'll get it.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
That's a very nineteen sixties or seventies.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Should I should I apologize? Should I should able apology?
Out there? At the bottom of my apology, it's gonna say,
don't vote Democrat, have a great day.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, Tom's not really what the program Tom, that's just
his uh doesn't really have his progressive bona fides going
on there. Three shot. I'm waiting. Let me let me
try this again. Oh yeah, shopping center shooting Injures three. Okay,
so three shot in Corain Township. This is under investigation.

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Joe has put some local news in front of me
this morning. Three men injured in the shooting. Happened around
one pm Tuesday and the shopping center on Compton Road,
Compton and Pippin. The men were taken to the University
of Cincinnati, conditions unknown. A photo from the scene shows
evidence markers, including one next to what appears to be

(22:36):
a clothing and shoes Crome Coraine Township Police or crime
Stoppers five three two one, cops, if you have any information,
cops that thirty forty. Yeah, Joe, what happened? We haven't

(22:56):
done a crime stoppers, sec. We didn't do one last
week on Friday. Just on Fridays. Now, Okay, let's see.
Person hospitalized after shooting in Cleeves inmont County. Sheriff's Office
is investigating. Deputies responded to the US fifty and Mountain
Nebo Road for the report of the shooting. One person

(23:18):
in custody. According to deputies, westbound US fifty and Mountain
Nebo and Harrison are both closed temporarily. That was yesterday,
so I'm sure they're open now. The Bethel police chief
has waived extradition from Florida on the sex abuse charges. Joe,
did you see the picture of the chief and then

(23:39):
the shirt he was wearing when he got arrested. What
that shirt say day drinking with Lincoln. I mean he
was in Florida, so I guess he was having a
good time. But oh man, this whole thing with the
police chief out there in Bethel, Chad assert does not
look good, does not look good or all. So that

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is extremely unfortunate. So we will see what comes of that.
But sorry to see that happen. Five thirty six, fifty
five KRCV talk station.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Friday, June nineteenth, Nashville becomes.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
The talk station fifty five KRCD talk station fifty five.
I just said fifty five krc but it's it's Dan
Carrolyn for Brian Thomas. Here's the way WCPO wrote it up.

(24:39):
Nonprofit behind the report detailing a worsening racial disparity in
Cincinnati police stops stood by their methodology. D Ray McKesson,
executive director of Campaign Zero, which researches policing practices and
proposes policies for reform, said the nonprofit did an independent

(25:00):
review of the city's data on traffic stops and pedestrian stops,
not speaking with any outside groups like public defenders, community leaders,
or officials until it finished its analysis. What is true
is that this is an independent report. There is no
contractor employee of the city or elected official who has

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had a decision making authority about the content of this report.
McKesson said they met with the community and city leaders,
including city Manager Shareah Long and interim Police Chief Adam Henny,
to discuss their findings. During the meeting with the city.
The city offered to give them data that is not
publicly available to provide further context, resulting in the nonprofit

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withholding their release until further analysis was completed. However, before
that data could be released, both Long and Heney had
released memos questioning the nonprofits methodology. Despite McKesson saying Henny
was silent in their private meeting discussing the analysis, asking
no questions nor providing any feedback, Campaign Zero was given

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the additional data provided by the city the details when
nine to one one calls dictate officer movements. However, McKesson
said they believe that data does not suggest that the
majority of police stops were due to nine to one
one calls. The city's argument is that nine one one

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calls in the data called calls for service dictate movement
of police across the city, and that it is not
one cause that determines and that it is not one
cause that determines who the police stopped. McKesson said, we
think that is an interesting way to think about it,

(26:50):
though we think that that does not reflect reality. We
reached out to it a Cities First a spokesperson asking
the city's Officer on office. The city manager's office had
any statement to share. In response, the spokesperson wrote back,
the city has been clear on next steps, so that

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we're moving forward. So the city has been clear on
the next steps, so that's what we're moving forward on
the Mayor's comments from last week's stands, he expects a
four review of the report and supports the administration's outlined
next steps. Mayor Pervol's chief of staff said in a statement,

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resources will be there to implement any necessary studies, problem
solving projects and recommendations. Again, if the finding show a
racial bias, it has to be fixed. McKesson and other
members of Campaigns Here then provided their full, complete report,
which shows that while stops have fallen dramatically since two

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thousand and nine, there remains a racial disparity in traffic
and pedestrian stops within the city limits. And that was
the initial thing when I first saw this report that
jumped out at me about the way the overall number
of stops has dropped off dramatically. Is there a correlation

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there between the number of stops? And again, this goes
back to the whole notion of proactive policing. Since we
have gotten away from that, is there a direct correlation
between that and at least the perception of crime that
goes up on the rise and how many, how many

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stops don't happen, how many crimes don't get reported. It's
a it's a complex it's a complex picture. And just
to to chalk this up as simply racial disparity, I
think doesn't serve anyone. Well, let's see and then then

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they get into more details of the of the alleged
racial disparity. Cincinnati Council member of former Cincinnati police officer
Scotti Johnson was among the multiple city leaders to question
the findings. He pointed to patrol geography as a potential factor.
What part of town of these officers patrolling it. If

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you think about a community like wint And Terrorists, probably
ninety five percent plus black. If an officer is showing
that he or she is stopping more black people than
white people and they patrol wint And Terrorists, the fact
that the populations ninety five percent black would tell you
would tell that story. The city is planned said that
it's planning for a separate review with an additional context

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to provide a thoroughfare and full picture of policing in Cincinnati.
So again, Ken Kober is going to be here at
seven point thirty this morning, and we will run all
this stuff by him and get his take on all
of this. Five fifty five KRCV talk.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Station years of early mornings every weekend the talk station.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
One of the headlines said, came out of the big
UFC fighting event, the UFC two fifty at the White
House over the weekend. And by the way, I did
stay up and watch the entire thing, and that last
fight was unbelievably brutal. But one of the headlines that
came out of there was Josh Hockett, who won his fight.
I don't know. I guess he was the third or

(30:43):
fourth fight of the night. And then after the Joe
do we do we have the audio of that around?
I know I didn't. I didn't send it to you, Okay,
I guess he said, Mochelle Michelle Obama is a man.
Am I right, America? I guess. I guess there was laughter.
I don't know if there was huge applause after that.
But Dana White has come out and finally spoken about that,

(31:09):
and here's what he said. He said, I understand that
the Obamas or public figures. But I'm completely against saying
nasty and false things about people's families. Everyone knows my
position on free speech, but I hate that kind of nonsense.
Let's see, I guess. In January, during comments in the Octagon,

(31:29):
hockets similarly target Britney Griner, saying the basketball star as
a man. White said he heard about the comment but
had not seen it. He said, I don't love it,
he said. And that's why. One thing I love about
Dana White is he gives his fighters their freedom of

(31:50):
speech and he lets them say what they want to say.
They of course have to own what they say, so
it's not to my way of thinking, it's not really
on him. Here's another thing I love about this. Joe Rogan,
who was interviewing this guy, Well, I guess when the
guy said that, and I missed that. I must have
been out of the room when this guy said what

(32:10):
he said, because I didn't hear about this this dust
up until the next day. But after Hockett said what
he said about Michelle Obama, all Joe Rogan said was
ladies and gentlemen Josh Hockett. So Hackett has received a
ton of criticism for his comments. Many feel that Joe

(32:34):
Rogan did not condemn the comment the comments quickly enough.
I don't know if he's spoken about it since then.
Former ESPN host Jammel Hill is among those calling out
Joe Rogan. He said he should apologize too. So, Joe,
I'm sure that maybe you'll agree with me that Joe
Rogan is fretting now that Jamel Hill has called for

(32:58):
him to apologize. I don't think, Jue. I don't think
Joe Rogan is going to give Jamil Hill the time
of day. And by the way, did you know that
there was counter programming led by Hanoi Jane uh and
and so she had she had a show on that
apparently was not very well not very well viewed. And

(33:21):
what was this thing called? Let me see? It was
called something about Stanton, Rise Up and sing Out concert
all about the First Amendment. I guess Hillary Clinton made
an appearance or maybe did a videotaped appearance, but there
was singing and uh, look, I'm sorry to do this
to you, but here's a little taste of some of
the entertainment that they enjoyed. Joe, let's hear cutting them

(33:43):
a four please.

Speaker 5 (33:46):
No line is getting left behind this time, no line,
not this time. No one is getting left behind.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
It's time.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
How do we get there together?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Orgever cut there right all?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yes, indeed, so Jane Fonda and her friends. That is
some of the entertainment that they put on. There's actually
a cut from Bett Midler too, and trust me, it
wasn't much better. I would have played it in this segment,
but we are up against the clock so that we
gotta go. Sorry about your luck there, Hanoy Jane five
fifty five on fifty five KRC, the talk station at

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the top of the hour. Here the top story talk Station,

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fifty five KRC, the talk station rolling out the Van
Haalen as we we always do, top of every hour
thanks to Joe Strecker. Six oh six on this Wednesday morning,
Dan Carroll in for Brian Thomas as Brian enjoys a
day off after a big, big night for him last night.

(35:15):
I'm told he went to a very nice concert last night,
so I'm sure he can tell you all about it
tomorrow when he is back in the big chair. But
today you got me and Jack Atherton coming up in
one hour from now. Big day for jd Vance yesterday,
Yes he was he I guess he started his day
at Fox News on the Curvy Couch with Fox and

(35:36):
Friends there and then he made his rounds at Fox.
I believe he also did a segment with CNN during
the day, and then it was a trip to visit
with the Ladies of the View and look. I from
time to time I talk about what goes on at

(35:58):
the View. I decided a long long time ago, and
I've mentioned this before on this show, that I decided
a long time ago that I simply am not going
to roll audio clips from the Ladies on the View.
It is just it is just such a stupid show,
such stupid commentary, really not overloaded with serious content, and

(36:30):
they're so predictable that they're going to say something that
is just as dumb as can be. And so it
makes it easy pickings for a radio talk show, because
every day you could pick out something that Anna Navarro
or Joy Baha or Whoopee or any of the other

(36:53):
ladies on the View. You can pick out something almost
every single day that they say, it's, oh my god,
how stupid. And I thought to myself alone, and this
goes back I don't know four or five years. I
just said, you know, what, I'm going to leave the
View alone. I mean, every once in a while they'll
say something beyond ridiculous and I'll talk about it, but

(37:14):
I usually do not play audio cuts from the View.
But in this case, I'm making an exception. Why because J. D.
Vance was on with the Ladies of the View, and
I want you to hear what he had to say.
And it is I think unusual in the extreme for
the Ladies of the View to have a guest on

(37:36):
that disagrees with them, meaning a guest on that has
conservative views on almost a legitimate conservative views on almost anything.
I know they've had. I think years ago, Sean Hannity
was on the View. I don't know if they asked
him to come back on a regular basis. But here's
what will be, Goldberg said yesterday when she was interviewed

(38:01):
or introducing the Vice President. For twenty nine seasons, this
show has invited thousands of guests with all kinds of
diverse viewpoints on the View. I guess technically that's true,
but generally speaking, the viewpoints that are shared on the
View are usually right in line with what the hosts

(38:23):
of that show think and the audience too, and that's
one of the things that gets me on that. And look,
I see clips so that when I'm getting ready for
the shows that I do, either here or down the hall,
I see clips of the view all the time, and
they say these just insipidly stupid things, and the audience

(38:44):
is like, oh, and then they're clapping, and I guess
I get you know, the applause light is going on,
so they have to applaud. They're like train seals. But
here's what Goldberg said, for twenty nine seasons, they've invited
thousands of guests with all kinds the verse view points,
and we have been asking our next guest to join

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us for a while.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I'm a little bit dubious on that part of the statement.
I don't think they've been asking JD Vance to join
them for a while now, she says, So we're glad
he's taken us up on our offer today. So there
was a plight applause as JD walked out, went to
the hand, went to the table, shook hands with Joy Behar,

(39:29):
Alissa Fara Griffin, Sarah Haynes, Sonny Hasten, Annonavarro, and of
course Whoopee was out there. So you know they asked
a couple of questions, and look, I'm actually one thing
I do do is I give credit where credit is due,
and I'm going to give credit to the Ladies on

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the View because at least they did enough homework to
know that JD. Vance is a smart guy. They know
that attacks on him are not going to work. They
know that they're not going to be able to throw
him off his game, that he is very well equipped

(40:13):
to handle himself from the attacks, that he is likely
going to get it from the Ladies on the View,
and I think they understood that going in, so they
didn't really have the claws out. Although Whoopee thought she
could get at JD. Vans on the angle of race
and it didn't work out that well. And here's a

(40:34):
little bit of what that sounded like. And this is
the short version of this. You can go and find
there's a version of this. It's like four minutes long.
This one's just about a minute long. But you get
the sense of how JD. Vans handled this question from
Whoopee as it relates to race. Joe, that's your cut
number two.

Speaker 8 (40:52):
Please, yes, I do, because you're talking you were talking
about people. What did black people do to this administration
that has allowed it to really stigmatize folks of color.
And you know how hard it is you have you

(41:13):
have folks of color in your family. So when you see,
you know, things the matil stuff coming down, or them
doing all kinds of removal of information of black heroes,
how do you how do you? How does that sit
with you?

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Well?

Speaker 9 (41:33):
What do you what exactly are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
What?

Speaker 10 (41:36):
Because you're talking about no, you don't know what it's
talking So in a lot of the museums just there's
so many I just you know, where they're taking down
the actual history that happened in this country, slavery.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Because Joe chimed into my ear washingle whoope was forming
that question and he says, what the hell is she
talking about? And that's exactly what JD Van said, what
are you talking about? And she well, there are so
many I mean, come on, whoopee. I tried to give
her a little bit of credit for not going trying

(42:21):
to go in for the kill on JD. Van's and
then of course when he challenged the slightest little back
of pushback, what are you talking about? She cannot answer.
She's stumbling bumbling, fumbling all around, and that shows on
her part at least exceedingly poor preparation. She should have
been aware that if she was going to take an

(42:43):
angle like that, she should have had Well, let me
give you an example. Boom boom boom, How about this, this,
and this. The notion that the Trump administration is trying,
to her words, stigmatize black people is beyond ridiculous. It's
ridiculous on its face. And the moment he says, what

(43:05):
are you talking about, she's got nothing in response, and
it was I think it was Joy Behar or one
of the other girls said well, museums, Oh yeah, museums,
and she just repeated out the first thing that went
in her ear. I guess she was relying on a
producer to give her a stream of information that she

(43:25):
could regurgitate back to him, but apparently that didn't happen.
So I could only imagine that when that show was
over there was a strongly worded session between Whoopie and
her producers because they made her, you know, let her
look and look. She did it to herself. She made

(43:48):
herself look like an absolute fool on that question. So
very good for Jade Vance and he wasn't done to
some more of his cuts after this, but we got
to check the weather and take a little what did
what did? Rush Limbo used to call them a profit
center timeout. We'll do that on fifty five KRC, the

(44:13):
talk station.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
I heart radio music festivals.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
See the talk station.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
And I just want to go on record as saying
that I did not watch the View yesterday. I do
not watch the View. Back in my Channel nine days,
when I was flying around in the helicopter, there were
times when we would be up covering new stories or
getting some footage of certain things from Chopper nine. And

(44:45):
so when you have your head and I was in
the in the back of the helicopter, I was not
a lot of people think I was a pilot flying
the helicopter around.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I was not.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I sat in the I was the reporter. I sat
in the back around the camera, communicated with station, reported
on traffic and breaking news and those sorts of things.
So there were times when we flew and the view,
I guess it's still on Channel nine. I don't know.
I've not watched it never. I've never watched the show,

(45:15):
but the view was on. And when you have the
headsets on and you have to communicate with the station.
You're getting a constant stream in your ear of what
is on the air. And there were times when the view,
the view was on the air and it was getting
pumped into my head. That's that's like a torture, that Joe.
That's like, I mean, imagine that that can be if

(45:39):
you were if you want to, I mean, you know,
you really want to torture someone, You force them to
wear headsets and you just constantly stream the view into
their head, and it's a terrible thing. It's a terrible fate,
worse than death. But again, and so I'm just reading

(45:59):
the re cap from USA today on this. But again,
it was a long day for jd Vance because he
did the rounds at Fox News in the morning, then
he went to CNN, then he went to visit with
the ladies on the View, then he came back to
Fox and sat in on the five. I've got a
cut from that too. But back to the View. Here
he is with Anna Navarro and of course she is there.

(46:20):
I guess they're resident expert on immigration and DACA, you know,
and the Dreamers and all that kind of stuff. And
she thought she might be able to get under JD's
skin with a very tough question about illegal immigration in
this country. And here's how JD. Vans handled that cut one.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
And I believe as a Christian, I can tell my
kids why it's important to have borders. I get that
there are laws, there are resources. I get all that things.
It's much harder to explain when I see someone dragged
out of a house or wrongly take into a thing
that isn't a violent cinio. That is, it's a little
more nuanced as a parent to try to say when
someone's referred to as vermin ors come when I teach

(47:03):
them in school about people that have done that before,
but this is different. It's very hard as a parent
and a Christian to say both things.

Speaker 11 (47:10):
And you actually say in the book, you talk about this,
you talk about this struggle, this internal struggle in the book,
and you talk about moral trade offs that result in
favoring a strict migration policy without dehumanizing anyone. But listen,
over fifty people have died in ice custody. There are
thousands of children, sixty two hundred that are being held

(47:31):
in places like Dailly Detention Center. The people that have
visited those detention centers. I don't know if you have
talk about the sub human infrahuman conditions, the lack of
clean water, the lack of medical attention, the lack of education.
I would urge you, as a Christian and as a
father to visit those detention centers where the children are
being held and make sure that the conditions relate to

(47:54):
the values that we hold in this country.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
So you guys have thrown a lot at me, and
I say, we've got thirty seconds left here, But let
me say number one. I'd like to pick up on
this theme because I think it's really important. We do
have to strike a balance, of course, between enforcing our laws.
We don't want to humanize people. That is the balance
that look law enforcement. What I'd say about this, law
enforcement is always inherently not a very pretty process, especially

(48:18):
when you're dealing sometimes with violent people, with people who
are resisting arrest. Some of the people that I've been
told by the media were completely peaceful, had never violated
any laws. You actually look into the record and you
find out that those people were actually being violent, or
they did have a criminal record.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
They had a sex.

Speaker 12 (48:35):
Traft conviction, you have criminal records so the majority of
people that ICE is rounding up and taking taking out
of their homes from their families. They're separating families, they're
using children as bab but not criminal.

Speaker 9 (48:48):
But can I respond to that, Guys, let me just
say this. Okay, so you talk about the children, Here's
what I'd say. Do we know that during the last
administration we had tens of thousands of children who were
sex trafficked by the cartels, who are brought into our
country in profoundly dangerous and predatory conditions. But here's the point,

(49:10):
unless you enforce the border, you invite that kind of conduct.
You think that our immigration policies are inhumane based on
the reporting of one person with a political bias. What
I'm telling you is that it's inhumane to allow cartels
to sex traffic people across from the And by the way, John,
I appreciate that.

Speaker 13 (49:32):
And jd.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Vance of course is one hundred percent right. And it's
not tens of thousands, it's hundreds of thousands. We have
the news conference the other day from the Department of
Homeland Security, from the Attorney General's office about the number
of I believe the number is fifteen hundred people indicted

(49:57):
for falsely bringing these kids and falsely claiming they were
going to sponsor these kids, when in fact they were
trafficking these kids into some of just the absolute worst
situations imaginable, and then sell you that. That was Sonny Hostin
you heard there saying, let's talk about this administration. Fine,

(50:19):
let's talk about this administration because this administration is seeking
to rescue these kids and seeking to prosecute those who
committed the crimes against them. That's what this administration is doing.
The other administration, the Joe Biden administration, is the one

(50:40):
that allowed these kids to come into the country illegally,
go to sponsors who did not have their best interest
at heart, that sought to get these kids in the
child pornography, pimping them out to the sex trade, slave labor,
and possibly even worse, if that's even imaginable. And then

(51:04):
we've got over three hundred thousand kids who they have
no idea where they are. Over one hundred thousand have
already been rescued, but there's about three hundred thousand to go.
That's the past it that's the administration that they want
to talk about. And these ladies idiotically want to claim
of well, they're being separated from their families. You know,

(51:26):
look at the facts, ladies. And again just another reason
why if you spend time watching the View, you're going
to be dumber for it. Six twenty seven, fifty five
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Speaker 6 (51:37):
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Speaker 2 (51:45):
So JD Vance on the View yesterday, I give him
great credit because Joe, I think you'll agree with me.
He could easily go in there and just eviscerate these ladies,
but he took he takes it easy on them to
a degree. He's stands his ground, but he does it
in a way that I that I say is highly respectful,
never gets bent out of shape, never gets flustered. And

(52:08):
so to my way of thinking, that makes JD. Vance
and Marco Rubio two of the real superstars. And I
think Scott Pissent could have gone and I think really
almost any member of the Trump cabinet could have gone
in there and done maybe I don't want to say
an equally good job, but maybe very close to a

(52:30):
good job, as JD. Vans did yesterday. One of the
things that JD Vance did was he started out of
Fox News, went back to Fox News for the five
and he was a co host on the Five yesterday,
sitting right next to Jessica Tarlov, and so they got
on the subject of the Iran deal, and Jessica Tarlov
tried to throw out the canard that saw you know,

(52:53):
part of the deal includes all these I guess millions
or billions of dollars going to the Iranian regime. And
that didn't work that well with JD either. And here's
how that went down. Cut number three, Joe.

Speaker 9 (53:07):
They talk about the benefits to the Iranians without any
of the things the Iranians would have to give up
and have to change in order to get those benefits.
So you mentioned a three hundred million dollar fund. I
got to be very clear about this. Not a single
cent of American money, under any circumstance, no matter what
the Iranians do, goes to Iran. Not a single scent
of American money.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Here's what this says. This says for example, let's say
that the.

Speaker 9 (53:29):
United Air Memorirates, who have been a great ally. Let's
say they want to invest in a power plant in Iran.
What this deal provides is that if the Iranians have
done everything we require them to do, then we will
allow the United Air memborates to do that, because they
can't do that right now without American approval. So we're
fundamentally saying, if the Iranians transform how they interact with

(53:49):
the world, we will transform how the world economy interacts
with Iran. But if they don't do any of that stuff,
they don't get any of these benefits. So I think
all the Democrats who are saying, well, the Iranians get
all these things, they don't get anything unless the total
and there's been a complete transformation of how our interacts
with the world. That would be a huge win for America.

(54:09):
And at Jesse's point, if they don't do any of
these things, we don't give them anything. They don't receive anything.
Their nuclear program is still destroyed, their military is still destroyed,
their missile program, an industrial base is still destroyed. We
fundamentally have transformed the Middle East. Whether they comply or not,
this is just icing on the cake, assuming they do
all the right things.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
So JD. Vans again making some excellent points there, and
you can go back and this cut initially was about
four and a half minutes long, and we only hear
her just a little bit of a more than a
minute right there. But jd Vance apparently it sounds to
me at least like he knows this deal inside and out.
And by the way, Reuters has obtained what they claim

(54:52):
is the fourteen point draft memorandum of I'm not Reuters,
but on Bloomberg News has obtained this and on the
next segment, I'm going to go through the points that
are in the memo here. So if this is actually
the memo that Iran has, I think it reinforces exactly

(55:14):
what jd Vance is saying, although there is a lot
of details that need to be worked out in the
future according to what's in this memo, So we will
talk about that coming up. But a great day for
jd Vance, I think yesterday. Of course, he has a
book out called is it called Communion? I'm going to
have to look up the title of the book, but

(55:35):
it talks about his journey to become a Catholic and
his conversion to Catholicism, and so it's I guess it's
personal memoir. But that's the reason he was making the
rounds yesterday and appeared on the View. So I give
credit to the ladies of the View for having him on.
They tried to vector in and attack him, but it

(55:58):
did not work. And great credit to JD Vance for
taking it a little bit easy on the ladies of
the view. He could have lowered the hammer, but he
chose not to, and again that's to his credit. I
don't know if I could have been as uh as
contained as he was, but great job by JD. Six

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The meantime six forty on this Wednesday morning, Dan Carroll
and for Brian Thomas, Jack Atherton and the Big Picture
coming up the top of the hour. So we're all
looking forward to that. So Bloomberg News says it has
a copy of the memorandum of untanding. It's amazing to me, Joe. Look,

(57:03):
these memorandums of understanding happen all the time, but it's
amazing to me how many people in the media acted
as if they've never heard of a memorandum of understanding
before you did you get any of that from the
news coverage, Joe, that they they're acting like, well, what
is this memorandum? It happens all the time. I mean,

(57:28):
this is just look, look, we're going to negotiate for
sixty days, and this is the framework under which we're
going to negotiate. That's all this is. This is not
a finalized deal, but this is how things are going
to move forward under this framework. And they're going to
sign this deal on Friday, and then then you know,

(57:49):
the hard work, the heavy lifting of the negotiations continues
under these provisions. So this is Bloomberg News. I put
this out yesterday and they claim they have seen the
random of understanding. And Number one, the Islamic Republic of
Iran and the United States, together with their allies in
the current war, declare upon the signing of this memorandum

(58:11):
and immediate and permanent end to the war on off
fronts including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they
will not launch any hostile actions against each other and
will refrain from the threat of use of force against
each other. So the final agreement will confirm the provisions
of this article. Number two, the Islamic Republic of Iran

(58:31):
the United States undertake to respect each other's sovereignty and
territory integrity, and refrain from interfering in each other's internal affairs.
Number three, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the United States
undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a
maximum period of sixty days, extendable by mutual consent. Number four.

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Immediately upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States
lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction
against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within
a maximum of thirty days to its full capacity. The
traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre war

(59:14):
volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic
of Iran. The United States also takes to withdraw its
forces from the surrounding areas within thirty days after the
final agreement. So read what that says, er look at
what it says. The United States undertakes to withdraw its

(59:37):
forces from the surrounding areas within thirty days until after
the final agreement. So American forces will remain in the
area until the final agreement is signed, sealed, and delivered.
Upon signing the MoU the Islamic Republic of Iran will
immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant

(59:58):
ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Aman
and vice versa is resumed within thirty days to pre
war volume, taking into account the need for the removal
of technical obstacles and the neutralization of minds by Iran.
So that is the Strait of Hormuz opening again. The

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United States undertakes together with its regional partners to create
a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the
rehabilitation and economic development to the Islamic Republic of Iran.
So there's been a ton of damage to the infrastructure,
there's been a ton of damage to the military capabilities,

(01:00:44):
there's been a ton of damage to their industrial capabilities,
and all the rest of that. So they're talking about
a three hundred billion dollar plan with their partners in
the region. So as JD you just heard JD Events
talk about. And this goes back to the Abraham Accords

(01:01:06):
in which and which under the there can be regional
cooperation in that area. And so if this comes to pass,
I think this is going to be a tremendous thing.
And I heard I think believe it was Kat MacFarland
providing some analysis on this last night. And if you
get if you get involvement from other nations in that

(01:01:31):
region in Iran, they are going to be very highly
interested in seeing to it that Iran lives up to
its end of the deal that they signed with the
United States. And so that creates a natural, natural enforcement
mechanism that that was not there before. And so this

(01:01:55):
could lead to long term changes within the region and
that could be a hugely beneficial part of this deal. Again,
if it gets done within sixty days, we shall see
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preplane your final arrangements. Gate of Talks Station. Dan carrollin
for Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas back tomorrow. Continuing on the
fourteen point memo that is the framework for negotiations for

(01:02:37):
the next sixty days between the United States and Iran.
Point number seven, the United States commits to ending on
a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the
final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic
Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United United Nations

(01:02:57):
Security Council and Board of Governor of the International Atomic
Energy Agency, and all unilateral US sanctions, both primary and secondary.
So that talks about the sanctions coming to an end.
The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates it will never produce

(01:03:20):
nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United
States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and
the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear related issues,
including Iran's nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in the
final agreement. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of

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this article. So what did I say at the beginning.
There's a lot of heavy lifting that needs to be done.
This is only the framework under which these negotiations are
going to proceed. Let's see. Let's see point number nine.
The Islamic Republic of Iran in the United States agree that,

(01:04:06):
pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo.
Iran will maintain the status quo of its nuclear program.
So what does that mean? By all indications, their nuclear
program has been decimated is in very bad shape right now.
They are not able to produce any nuclear weapons or

(01:04:26):
enriched material. So if that is the current status quo
of the nuclear program, it is not going to progress
from this point, which would mean that they are not
able to produce a nuclear weapon. Again. I think that
is going to be some very tricky negotiating, some very

(01:04:47):
rough waters right there, but we will see what happens
over the next sixty days. The United States undertakes immediately
that after the signing of the memorandum and until the
date of the lifting of sanctions, United States Treasury Department
will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crewd oil, petrochemical
products and they're derivatives, and all related services including banking, insurance,

(01:05:11):
transportation in the like. So this is obviously a benefit
to Iran to get its economy up and running again,
which of course has been decimated. Things are not good
economically speaking in Iran right now. And part of the
way you get a deal done like this is to say, look,
here's a chance to at least economically to get back

(01:05:33):
on your feet. So that's got to be part of
the deal. Point number eleven, the United States undertakes that
in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement,
frozen are restricted funds and assets of Iran will be
released and made fully available. And this is the point
that I guess Jessica Tarlov was trying to say, Well,

(01:05:58):
we're just going to give them a bunch of money.
We're going to ship a bunch of money over there. Well,
these are Iranian assets that have been frozen or restricted
and if they again, like JD Van said, this is
going to be performance based. Look, there's a lot of
there's a lot of promises being laid out here, and

(01:06:21):
this is this is a key moment for Trump and
his administration. They cannot come out and make promises like
this and talk about how things are going to be beneficial,
mutually beneficial to the United States, to Iran, to the Midiast, reason,
to Israel, that all these things are going to be beneficial,

(01:06:45):
and then not get it done. So Trump is, in
my estimation, putting out a lot of political capital on this.
He is really sticking his neck out, I think, letting
us all know that this deal is going to get
done and saying that it's going to get done and
it's going to in the end be something that has

(01:07:08):
staying power and something that is going to lead to
a more stable situation in the Middle East. That happens,
I think it's going to be great. If it doesn't happen,
then politically the fallout is going to be disastrous. So

(01:07:28):
I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, But
I mean, there's a there's a lot being laid out
on the line right here, and it's it's it's gonna
it's a it's a high wire act and we will
see what happens. So uh again, that's the the fourteen
point memo. I haven't seen anything from the Trump administration

(01:07:49):
saying this is fake news or false or not accurate.
But I think there there's a lot to a lot
to look at and a lot to work with in
that memo that could be mutually beneficial. Six fifty five.
We got to get to a break. Jack Atherton on
the other side, and we'll see what his big picture
is about. As we roll on till nine o'clock this morning,
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a memorable day, in part because we get to have
our weekly conversation with our old buddy, Jack Athtack. How
are you this morning.

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
It's great to be back with your old friend. Are
you getting excited about Father's Day coming up? Fans the family.

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Have, Yeah, of a big weekend on Father's Day. I
think there will be some some grilling to be had,
and you know, kids running around the house, that sort
of thing. So I always look forward to Father's Day,
and I hope you do too.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
Hi too, I too. How about combining a Father's Day
and America two fifty message today?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Okay, I'm all about it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:33):
If Democrats seem less jubilant than we are about the
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our independence, maybe that's
because they're founding fathers are not Washington and Jefferson, but
instead Karl Marx and Jean Jacques Rousseau. We talked about
last week. We can get back to him. They were

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terrible father's dead in every sense. We all talk about Marx.
Let's focus on his mentor Rousseau. A century before Karl
Marx took game at private property in des Capital, Rousseau
had already written that the state, the big state, has

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the right to seize all property for the common good.
While America's founders insisted that God given individual rights, including
the rights to life, liberty, and property. That's what Jefferson
wanted to insist on, that they precede government, and that
legitimate government exists to protect individual rights, which was a

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revolutionary idea in seventeen seventy six. Rousseau and Marx and
today's social democrats want to scramp all that, at least
for ordinary folks like you and me. Now for their
own elites, you remember, or well, all animals are equal,
but some are more equal than others, including Democrat elites.

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Jean Jacques Rousseau was born in Switzerland. He spent a
lot of his time in France. He and his mistress
had five children, put only for a few days. Dan
Jean Jaques insisted that he could have been a great father,
just as Marlon Brando could have been a contender, but
the philosopher explained that working to support a family would

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have cut into his time as a social reformer. So
Rousseau abandoned his newborn babies, one after another, to an
orphanage where seventy percent of all children had a life
expectancy of one year or less. Most survivors at that
orphanage grew up to be beggars or thieves by Charles Dickens'

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Oliver Twist. Not coincidentally, Karl Marx, a German immigrant in England,
spent all of his time writing about how to destroy
the country that had welcomed him. In kind of like
today's elan Omar. Karl Marx kept his seven children good
for him, but he let them starve. Only the charity

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of family and friends kept them alive. Like Hillary Clinton,
Marx believed it takes a village to care for your children.
Rousseau and later Karl Marx also believed the children of
all ages, both the youngsters and adults who never become
responsible adults, everybody has to submit to the collective will

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of the totalitarian state. At some unspecified time, Marx and
his partner Fridi Engels believed their big state would wither away.
Thank goodness. Meantime, though from each according to his ability,
to each according to his needs. The mayor of our
biggest city, Kami Mamdani adheres to that Marxist creed, and

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it's driving people who can afford to leave out of
New York by the hundreds of thousands. They're emigrating the
estates where ability is incentivized, low tax, business friendly, job
creating states Florida, Texas, Tennessee. And we can only hope
dan Ohio if we elect a Republican governor Vivek Ramaswami, who,

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unlike today's rhinos, values makers, not takers, not the descendants
of Jean Jacques Rousseau and Karl Marx. Because socialism ruins character.
That's my theme almost every week. It keeps adherents in
a state of arrested adolescence. The state will bring up
my kids, or better yet, I won't bother to keep

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my kids or even give them to an orphanage. I'll
just abort them. During this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
of America's independence, which we declared just before Jean Jacques
Rousseau died, let's celebrate the parents, the entrepreneurs, the skilled workers,
the service members like you, Dan, firefight police. The adults

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who have made this country the greatest in the history
of the world. The adults who came here seeking opportunity,
not handouts, much less Minnesota style fraud, who learned a
new language, learned American history and Civics. They used to
teach that so they could assimilate, not to surrender their
religion and cultural backgrounds. Nobody is asking that America's melting

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pot makes us all the richer for being exposed to
different cultures, but to embrace the American ethos that each
of us has God given rights, including freedom of religion,
free speech, and freedom from totalitarian communist government. As we
honor our founders, Dan for all their flaws, because great

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leaders usually have flaws that are easier to criticize than
to weigh against their achievements. And yes, I am thinking
of Donald John Trump as we honor our founders brought
let's give thanks that the fathers of our country were
not Jean Jacques Rousseau and Karl Marx, two of the
worst fathers in history. So what do you say, Dad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Well, Jack, it's amazing how the common thread of what
these individuals believed. When you talk about Marx, when you
talk about Rousseau, It's amazing how much of the common
thread is still prevalent today in much of what you
hear from the left and from the Democrat Party, the

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idea that there can be this reliance on socialism, that
there can be this reliance on big government to do
everything for the individual from womb to tomb. It reminded
me of the if you remember, when Obama was president,
they put out this animated cartoon showing how this girl

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is born, and from the moment of her birth, all
the way through her educational period, all the way through
through her working life, all the way through her retirement,
all the way up until her final breath, there was
government involvement in her life, in every single stage of
her life. And I think that is the ultimate goal

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of people like Bernie Sanders, of people like AOC of
people like that who populate the Democrats by and large,
and much of what we I think Amy Acton is
thinks along those exact same lines, and we need to
get away.

Speaker 6 (01:16:30):
Obama cartoon was called the Life of Julia, Yes, and
that's what he aspired for everybody. Now for himself, he
wanted to be able to build the big houses in Hawaii,
and he wanted the huge library that's now opening up.
But for all the rest of us, it was enough
that government gave us crumbs. It's human nature, But there
are different ways of looking at human nature. Rousseau and Marx,

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but especially Russell, believed, Oh, people are naturally good, they're wonderful.
Just leave them alone, give them a little bit that
they need to be able to get by. Other people said, no,
human nature involves backsliding unless people are challenged to be
their best, to aspire to something better, to take care
of others, starting with their children. But as we've said,

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those two guys whore So and Marks didn't want to today.
Getting back to ilan Omar, who certainly aspires for a
life of Julia for all of us, again, not for herself.
She's now a multimillionaire today. Too many illegal immigrants forget
that they are fleeing from tyranny and are instead they're

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taught as soon as they arrived that America is the
land of tyranny, and always has been that immigrants, legal
and especially illegal, are entitled to reparations for America's original
fundamental sinfulness, and of course America's own people are taught
this too by schools, left wing media, and especially pop culture. Elections,

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even if they're elections, won't change this. Instead, each of
us has to offer our children the truth about America.
One great place to start is to see before it
leaves theaters, Amesley and I just did Hillsdale College's new
film called Revolutionary America. It's the story of our rebellion

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against Britain's big government and the fight for individual rights.
I heartily recommend it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Well, that sounds good and Jack will continue the conversation
right after this on fifty five KRC Station seven nineteen.
Dan Carroll four Brian Thomas. We continue on now with
Jack Aveton and the Big Picture and Jack, I always
find it interesting when you have individuals who want to

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call for the implementation of a socialist style government, of
a communist style government, that when they call for this
and they say this is the way to go, the
people who do that always want to put themselves at
the top of that food chain and really don't want
to live under all the accoutrement that comes with a

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socialist or a communist style government. So on one hand,
it's good enough for the rest of us, but for them,
you know, they need to be the ones calling the shots,
and they need to be the ones who benefit in
a large way from what it provides those at the top.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
My fame, as I said, is that socialism ruins character.
And that's because the even bigger theme is that power corrupts,
and absolute power corrupts absolutely even for the people who
are most idealistic and seek to go into political office,
they may compromises, they have to build coalitions with the

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best of intentions, they start to give up their ideals
and eventually they just become power hungry. That's all it is.
And as far as the rest of us go, you know,
they'll use us as long as they can. And when
we get wise to their game and start electing conservatives, populists,
maga people, what do they do. They have to bring

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in a new population, and of course they try to
make us feel bad for being worried about that. They say, oh,
you know, you're a racist if you criticize the fact
that we're letting in ten million or more people completely unvetted,
many of them criminals, immediately receiving benefits from the state,
not like you know, the people who came here generations ago.

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But you can't feel bad about it. You have to
say no, you know, we have to have an orderly
process for allowing people the privilege that you and I
were born with. But we should never forget of being Americans,
and we can't allow the country to be taken over
wholesale just so the Democrats socialists can have a new
voting base.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
You know, Jack, When I saw when I was watching
the process of Zorhan Mondani in New York City and
how how he was accepted, how his voting base was
largely younger Americans, I saw this as a complete failure
of the educational system that we have in the United States.
When I was younger, and I'm sure you too, when

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you were in your formative years, we were constantly told
about why capitalism is so beneficial, what living under at
that time, the Soviet Union and China was really like
under the idea of communism, And those things were talked
about repeatedly as I was growing up, and I came

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out with an understanding of why the United States is
the greatest country on the face of the planet, why
capitalism works, why we have the the political system that
we do. Ideas about freedom of speech, free will, natural law,
all the rest of that. But I think those types
of teachings have been largely abandoned, and I don't I

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just don't think that much of the education base that
we have in this country right now, especially with young
people coming through the educational system, have a clear understanding
of that. And that's why ideas like socialism gain the
popularity that they do.

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
Left has been trying to make us feel guilty for
opposing communism ever since the days of Joe McCarthy. Joe
McCarthy in the fifties was a creep, there's no doubt
about it. Should we have been worried about the Soviet Union, absolutely,
especially after they got atomic weapons. We had to put
up a fight. We had to be worried about mutually

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assured destruction, just as we have to be worried now
about Iran. And we should not have felt the least
bit guilty about opposing communism because we only had to
look at what Stalin and his successors were doing there,
and the great achievement, of course of Ronald Reagan was
bringing down that regime. No, we can't feel guilty. We

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have to be willing to uphold our values the greatest
in the history of the world. The reason that we
talk about history every week during this section the session
that we have is that people have to put that
into perspective. You only realize what you have when you
look around the rest of the world now, and especially

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when you look back on history.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Okay, tell me one more time. The name of the
movie that you saw that came out from Hillsdale, because
I'm interested in this now.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
Yeah, this is much more important than listening to me.
It's called Revolutionary America. It's not a fictional film. It's
Larry arn the president of Hillsdale, and a bunch of
other really compelling, wonderful speakers. The thing is beautifully produced,
and you can only see it at a few theaters,
I think once a day. At this point, I hope

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they're going to hold it through July fourth. But you know,
there's another movie that's coming out for July fourth called
Young Washington. He's my hero. We have a bust of
him and a painting of him here in the house,
and yeah, I would see them, both Revolutionary America and
Young Washington. I haven't seen Young Washington yet, but you
can't kill that story. It's one of the best.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
Well maybe that'll be what next week's A Big Picture
is all about. Jack Atherton. Is always so great to
have your thought provoking commentary, and we'll certainly look forward
to next week when you join us again for the
Big Picture with Jack Atherton. Jack, thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
Happy Father's Day, Dan and everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
The talk station seven thirty on this Wednesday morning. I
sent a text message to Ken Kober the other day
and I said, have you been on fifty five KRC
to respond to this? I don't. I guess it's not

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a report. They call it a review of racial bias
in police stops that came out from Campaign zero. I said,
have you been on fifty five k respond to that?
And he said no, he has not, So I said, well,
you know what, I'm doing the show Wednesday and I
would like to have you on to respond to that.
So lo and behold, here's Ken Coober, the main man

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at the Cincinnati FOP, and Ken, great to have you
on this morning. How are you.

Speaker 7 (01:25:15):
I'm doing good, Dan, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Thank you so much for being here. All right, complete
this sentence. For me, the purpose of a review like
this is to blank. Fill in the blank, is to
what's the purpose of a review like this?

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
Well, when you have Campaign zero and with their headlines
are there review the purpose of it is to try
to stoke flames between the community and the police. And
that's nothing more. They have no interest in changing anything,
They have no interest and actually working collaboratively. It's nothing
more than to try to try to drive a wedge
between the police and the community.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Yeah, individuals from Campaign zero apparently spoke to the media
yesterday or the day before, and what I glean from
that is that they want to put themselves in a
position to where they I guess they come in and
provide solutions for this or offer alternative whatever the case
may be. But it seems to me that they are

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trying to get themselves in line for a nice contract
and maybe a nice payday from the City of Cincinnati.

Speaker 7 (01:26:23):
If you look at the history of the city, it
doesn't surprise me that that's what they're trying. But I
do appreciate and the rank and file appreciates that the
city administration has come out pretty strongly and said listen,
we don't agree with this. This is flawed, this is wrong.
We don't need this nonsense in our city.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Is that refreshing that there doesn't really seem to be
And I was thinking about this the last couple of days.
There doesn't really seem to be much of an appetite
on part of city council and even the city manager
to bite on this thing and to just sort of
run wild with this and wave it around and say, oh,
look we've got problems in the police department. We need

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to do something about that. Doesn't seem like that is
the angle that at least the majority of council is
taking on this.

Speaker 7 (01:27:07):
No, I agree, not only council, but the community as
a whole. I said, community members reach out to me.
I've had city council members reach out and say, listen,
this is nonsense. We don't buy this. We don't have
these problems in our city, and we're not going to
just we're not going to just lay down and take this.
You know, we'll do our own independent investigation and we'll
see what it shows, which they believe. What I believe

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is it's going to show that the police go out
and what they do is they look for criminals. They
don't look for people of any particular race. They look
for criminals that are committing crime. And if you look
at the some of the names that they published, eighty
percent of the quote unquote top ten are either officers
or supervisors that are in violent crime squads, that are

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in our Crime Gun Intelligence Center, whose sole responsibility is
to reduce crime in this city. And that's exactly what
they're doing, regardless of what these folks look like. They're
taking bad people off the streets. And you have this
anti police defund the police group that wants to come
in and try to make some big deal about it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Well, I don't think there's any question that this group,
Campaign zero, comes with an agenda and brings that agenda
to the table. So when the Hamilton County Public Defender's
Office requests this group to come in and do this
review again, what's what's their endgame here? What is the
benefit to the Public Defender's Office and Campaign zero as

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you see.

Speaker 7 (01:28:31):
It, Well, the Public Defender's Office has already been trying this.
They'll bring up officer at work. You know one officer
in particular who works in Avondale that's eighty nine percent
African American and you know, they tried to throw this
during a trial and say, oh, this officer, he's just
a racist. That's why my client was arrested. It's because
its officers are racist. But in fact their client was

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arrested because of their criminal behavior. But this is just
smoking mirrors to try to convince a I'd said, maybe
there's some doubt that this person wasn't stop legitimately, And
it's alte nonsense. In the day of body cameras, you know,
in Parcas, all of these things, it's just nonsense that's
been trying this. They're trying to destroy the last twenty

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five years of collaboration, and it's the citizens. Thankfully, they're
just not falling for it. They're seeing it for what
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yeah. I was impressed with the letter that Chief Henny
put out immediately after this, and he wrote it to
the men and women who wear the uniform every day,
and in part he writes, based on the information available
to me, I believe the mythology employed is flawed and
the conclusions drawn are misleading and failed to provide important context.
The city manager shares these concerns and is committed in

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supporting the men and women of the Cincinnati Police Department.
So with that line in there, the city manager shares
these concerns. That seems to me that at least from
the chiefs perspective, and I don't want to put words
in your mouth, but from your perspective, that that you
and and the city manager appear to be on the
same page when you look at this without a doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:30:09):
Actually had a meeting with the assistant city manager on
Monday and we discussed this, and you know, he wanted
to reiterate his full support, the city manager's full support
for the rank and file, and that they're they're not
going to just, you know, you'll wash this away. They're
going to take a look at it, because these allegations
are serious. However, when you even.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
All right, Joe, I'll tell you what, Let's put Ken
on hold and we'll let's see if we can reconnect
with him and maybe get a better connection. We'll get
to a quick break here and then continue on with
Ken Kober on the other side. Talkstation seven Carol for
Brian Thomas. Continue our conversation with Ken Kober, Cincinnati FOP

(01:30:57):
and Ken. Your phone was breaking up on that last
that last segment, but let me ask you to recap
your thought on that when I talked about you and
the chief and apparently the city manager all on the
same page when it comes to the way you're looking
at this review done by Campaign zero.

Speaker 7 (01:31:13):
Sure, you know, it's refreshing to see that we're all
on the same page. But we're taking these allegations seriously,
but they're they're baseless allegations. That the city's going to
do an independent review. I mean, we have a wonderful
crime analyst in our police department that even said that
this is wrong. It's going to take a look at it,
and you'll provide some context to what's actually going on

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instead of you know, just you know, insinuating that the
police are racist and there's a problem in Cincinnati when
there clearly isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
Yeah, I think if there's anything legitimate to this report,
the one thing that jumped out at me as I
read about this was the overall number of stops. And
if you go back to two thousand and nine, which
this report did, you're looking at a total of about
black and white combined of about sixty thousand total stops

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there for the year, maybe sixty five thousand, and then
you get down to twenty twenty five, and then you've
got less than less than twenty five thousand stops, so
the total number of stops, and I guess the proactive
policing has dropped off significantly from twenty twenty nine to
twenty twenty five. That to me may be a legitimate

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basis for review and ask why we have so many
fewer stops now in total. And then on the other hand,
it seems that you have a corresponding number of crime
related issues that are happening in the city.

Speaker 7 (01:32:45):
No, no, without a doubt, and I think there's a
couple of reasons I think that will explain why there's
been so less police stops. Number one is you look
at what staffing was in two thousand and nine compared
to twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
I mean, we have.

Speaker 7 (01:33:01):
Consistently been down between one hundred and two hundred officers
for a long time. From two thousand and nine to
twenty fifteen, we never hired anybody. So that number one,
and then you look at okay, well we're short staff.
We're still one hundred officers short. These these officers are
going from radio run to radio run to radio run.
When they actually do get a moment, you know, to

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be able to take take a break, you know, do
they want to go do proactive work? And I think
what a lot of them are saying is no, absolutely not.
I'm getting, you know, drug through the mud for ten
hours a day and when I do get a break,
I want to take a break, maybe get a bite
to eat, use the restroom. But then the other thing
that you have to look at too is what's going
on in society villainizing the police. You know, politicians villainizing

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the police. You have these anti police groups. You know,
officers are only going to take being called a racist
for so long before they decide, you know what the
heck with this? This is going to affect retention. It's
going to affect recruitment. Is those that have twenty five
years on are just They're just going to walk out
the door and go, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I've had enough.

Speaker 7 (01:34:02):
I'm not dealing with this nonsense. And then you look
at the eighteen, eighteen, twenty year old kid that's going
to go, man, these headlines look terrible, but then they
see that, oh, well, this is a bunch of nonsense.
This is just people that hate the police. Is this
a profession? I want to join, and I think what
a lot of young people are saying is absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Not Yeah, when you put out a report like this,
it doesn't really I don't think it really serves anyone well,
especially when you don't have the complete context and look
at this from a perspective of what is really going on.
And Chris Smithman was on this radio station on Monday

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and he was talking about this, and he was talking
about if you look at the communities that are talked
about in this report, he said, these communities have repeatedly
come to Cincinnati Council, come to the mayor, come to
the police department and said, we want more policing in
our neighborhoods. We want more policing in these areas because

(01:35:01):
we don't want to live in crime ridden areas. When
Chris Mitheman says something like that, does that ring true
to the experience that you've been.

Speaker 7 (01:35:11):
Sure? There was a survey that the city just did
about all city services a couple of months ago, and
one of the big takeaways is from the police perspective
is they want more police in their neighborhoods and out
on walking patrols. So they've made an effort to do that.
And in response to that, we went from May of twenty
twenty five, we had like one hundred and twenty walking
patrols where officers get out, you know, they got some

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spare time, they're on a radio run, they'll go walk
around the community, engage the community. May of twenty twenty
six we had eight hundred and fifty six walking patrols.
That is the direct result of what the community is
asking this police department to do, which certainly is the
opposite of what this Campaign zero is is alleging. And
it's because none of these people are actually from Cincinnati.

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You know, the people in this community have asked for
a service, and that's exactly what we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
None of these people are from the city of Cincinnati.
How many times, I mean, how many times have we
seen that in the past, where people come in from
outside and then seek to tell us how how we
ought to conduct business here?

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:36:15):
And you look at the response from like the Cincinnati NAACP.
Absolutely I thought it was a fantastic response. It's like, hey,
these these allegations are serious. The city's going to take
a look at it. Let's look at it. They didn't
come out and go, ah, the police are racist. We
knew it. They took a very very level headed stance
of this, which shows you exactly the temperature of this
of the city going on, which is these perceived race

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problems that we have, they're just that they're they're made
up nonsense. That the city's not falling.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Yeah, and don't we don't We have layers of oversight
in place right now to do self policing on this,
to keep an eye on this sort of thing in
real time. Are we looking at this kind of stuff
all the time?

Speaker 7 (01:36:57):
Well, yeah, I mean you have Irish ROLLI who you know,
you're controversial or not. She's been hired by the city
for the collaborative agreement. Do you have the citizens complain
Authority that is tasked with looking at these things? And
if they're not coming out saying hey, this is a problem,
that's very telling of what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
All right, ken Kber, I know you've got a lot
going on today. I appreciate the time as always, Keep
up the great work, my friends, Stay safe out there,
and all the best to you and all the men
and women who wear the uniform doing their best to
keep us safe every day. Thank you so much for
the time today. I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:37:35):
Sure, thanks for having me. Dan take here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
All right, there you go. Ken Cober from the FOP
and his response to Campaign Zero. I thought I was
pretty good. Seven forty seven fifty five KRCP talk station
a U line the the talk station seven fifty one

(01:37:59):
on this Wednesday morning, Dan Peril and for Brian Thomas.
We've got State Representative Adam Byrd coming up the top
of the hour. Mike de Wine yesterday saying that he
is no longer in favor of the death penalty. We'll
ask him about that and a number of other issues happening.
Campaign zero. Just a quick Google AI for Campaign zero.

(01:38:26):
It talks about Campaign zero comprehensive policy platform and research
based organization that aims to ultimately end police violence. How
do you ultimately end police violence? Are police? Don't they
deal with violent criminals all the time. Don't they deal

(01:38:48):
with individuals who want to inflict violence on others in
order to get what they want? Drugs, money, cars, your
personal belongings, your property. So they want to end police violence.

(01:39:09):
And this is the part that I did not know, Joe,
did you know? According to again, AI, AI claims that
project or Campaign Zero was created by activists associated with
the Black Lives Matter movement. Did we know that, Joe?
You heard that? The core categories are limit use of force,

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restricts when and how officers can use deadly and physical force,
including banning chokeholds and strangleholds. So again, this is this
is an anti police agenda driven organization, and I don't
think there's any question about it. They want to establish

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civilian oversight to independently investigate misconduct. We already and as
ken Kober talked about, we already have that in place
here in Cincinnati. Community representation requires police departments to fairly
represent the communities they serve. I think we already have
that in place here in Cincinnati. Body cams and transparency

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mandates the use of body worn cameras publicly accessible data
on police behavior. We already have that in place in Cincinnati.
So the notion that Campaign zero is going to come
in here and undoubtedly charge a fee to talk about

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solutions and the way out of this is preposterous. The
organization consistently analyzes local law enforcement data to find and
combat racial disparities in policing. So I think it really
when you look at what they talk about in the

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very beginning of this that this was an organization created
by activists associated with Black Lives Matter. I think that
tells you a lot of what you need to know.
They've got a priority state campaign already underway in California, Illinois, Georgia, Maryland,

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Washington aimed at ending harmful gang enhancement laws that lead
to disproportionately long and racially targeted prison sense. So if
you're a member of a gang and you get involved
in violence as part of a gang, they want sentencing
to go easy on you. They want to get rid

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of spots, a shot spotter, and it's just again, this
is an organization that has an agenda, and they've reared
an ugly head here in Cincinnati. Thankfully, though, as I'm
mentioned with Ken Kober, it doesn't seem like there is
much of an appetite to bite from on behalf of

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city council and the city manager's office. So we can
be thankful for that. Seven fifty five at fifty five
KRCV talkstation, we put the app in Happening station fifty

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five krc DE Talk Station eight oh six, Wednesday morning,
June seventeenth, Good morning, glad to have you here. Glad
to be here, Dan Carroll, and for Brian Thomas. Brian
Thomas is back tomorrow. Just taking one day off this
time and always a great when I get to welcome
in my next guest, state Rep. Adam Bird. And Adam

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Bird has been a little while. How you been, man,
What you been up to?

Speaker 13 (01:42:53):
I'm knowing. Well, you know, we had a really active
and busy week in Columbus last week and we got
a lot of bills passed and moved on to the
governor and hopefully for his signing before our summer break.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
Yeah, when when you're out talking to the people you
work for, do they talk about a lot about Hey,
you know, you guys need to get some legislation passed.
We need to we need to see some activity up there.
To do people bring that up to? Is that? Is
that a topic of conversation? You don't need to get
busy up there, get some laws passed.

Speaker 13 (01:43:30):
Uh, you know, sometimes it's that, damn, But sometimes it's
the other, you know. Uh, for some they may like
to see us do a little less, but uh, you
know it's just uh, you know, we we we got
a lot done last week. We got done some work
on Medicaid fraud. We got s j R. Ten, which
is going to put the issue of Photo I D
before the Ohio voters and whether to put that in

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the constitution or not. And we we spent some money
that we found. For some of the money that we found,
we're spending on homestead exemption credit, which is helping to
pay the property taxes for you know, people who are
sixty five and older and make less than forty one thousand.
So I thought we were very active in a positive

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way for Ohioans last week.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
All right, let's talk about the breaking news from yesterday.
Mike DeWine comes out talks about how he is now
opposed to the death penalty once to once Ohio lawmakers
to abolish the death penalty here in Ohio. Were you
taken by surprise at all that Mike the Wine would
come out and in the twilight of his time as

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governor make make an announcement like this.

Speaker 13 (01:44:43):
Was I surprised? I don't think so, because when you
see the kinds of the way that this governor has
continued to not faithfully execute the laws of our state
on the issue over the last his eight years, I
don't think anybody would be surprised. And Dan, I'll read
to you. Article three, section six of the Higher Constitution

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says that the governor shall see that the laws are
faithfully executed, which means that if he doesn't decide what
the laws are, the state legislature decides what those laws are,
and he has to faithfully And by the way, let
me remind you, Dan, he took an oath of office
that said he would see that the laws are faithfully executed,

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and so for him to not carry out certain parts
of the law that he disagrees with, I just that's
not that's not where we should be. We're a nation
of law, not a nation of men. And I think
it's a very dangerous path for a Republican conservative government

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to go down that path. We're used to seeing people
ignore the law sometimes in Democrat states, but we should
not be that way as Republicans.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Yeah, Ohio's last execution was in July of twenty eighteen,
So I think it's easy for de Wine to make
the case, or at least make the statement that he
doesn't see the death penalty as a deterrent in Ohio.
But when you don't use the death penalty when you
have it available to you and you don't use it,

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then I think it's it's easy in a crutch to
make that case that it doesn't serve as a deterrent.

Speaker 13 (01:46:28):
Well, I would agree with that. And you know he
cannot just decide what to enforce and what not to enforce.
He took an oath of office that said that he
will see that the laws are faithfully executed. And it
doesn't matter whether you think it has an effect or not.
It doesn't matter whether you, as a governor, thinks that

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this is a motivation motivating factor or not. You said
you would faithfully execute the laws, and you're not doing it.
And I will remind you I'm from Clermont County and
you may remember the case man a couple of years
ago of a father who executed his three young.

Speaker 14 (01:47:07):
Boys terrible and deserved the death penalty, and the Clermont
County prosecutor decided not to go for the death penalty
because he knew that the governor would.

Speaker 13 (01:47:21):
Not allow it to happen anyway. So answer me this, Dan.
You know, as as the governor, he's not judge jury,
he's not the prosecutor, he's not the law enforcement of
a county or a local government that decides to implement
capital punishment. This is a local decision made by a

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local judge, a jury, jury of their peers. And if
they decide that this man who executed his three sons
in his front yard deserves the death penalty, who is
he is the governor to stop that? Both of office
says that he shouldn't anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Yeah, but isn't it up to the governor to sign
off on all these executions though, if if they were
to happen on a regular basi, or if they were
to happen at all, is that doesn't the governor have
the final say so on.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
That he does?

Speaker 13 (01:48:15):
And I just I am very bothered that he would
decide not to implement that when the law says what
it says, and and a judge, a jury, a prosecutor,
and everybody here locally has followed the correct steps to
give someone the death penalty who deserves it before they're

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horrific act and a governor swoops in parachutes send at
the last minute and says, no, no, no, we're not
going to let you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
The fact that the wine has done this now, is
that going to make this an issue in the governor's race,
Amy Acton and the vike Ramaswami.

Speaker 13 (01:48:54):
I think how can it not. I think people want
to know where they stand on these issues, and I
think there will be more and more questions on that
and a variety of issues. And you know what, am
I a supporter of the A promise farming? Of course
I am. But I want to know whether he's going
to faithfully execute the laws of our land or is

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he going to pick and choose which wants to enforce.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Has he spoken on this issue? I can't. I've seen
a lot of his speech. I haven't been to a speech,
but I've seen a lot of his speeches, and I
do not recall him speaking on the issue of the
death penalty. But I guess he's going to have to now.

Speaker 13 (01:49:33):
Yeah, I haven't seen that either, Dan, And you know,
it's it's something that we deserve to know. And and
you know this, this goes for a lot of areas
of the law, including medicaid. You know, this is we
we've got to make sure that we are protecting the
Ohio tax payer. And and so if he decides, you know,

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not to not to protect the Ohio taxpayer, through the
medic CAD system. You know that's a problem too. I mean,
we we've got to we've got to act in all
ways the taxpayer when it comes to all of the
money that it's like forty nine percent of our total
budget is on medicaid, and we want to make sure

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that people are taking care of but we also want
to make sure there will be more money to take
care of people if we're making sure that others are
not frauding the system.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
Yeah, I want I want to I want to ask you.
I've got a couple of questions about the whole Medicaid
fraud issue, and I definitely, I definitely want to to
get to that. But as it relates to the upcoming
election between Acting and the vike Ramaswami, Brian Thomas has
been making the case repeatedly about and I guess he's

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seeing an increasing number of individuals who are saying they
are going to choose to stay home and not vote
in this upcoming election. And I just I just think
that is a horrible decision on the part of anyone
who would decide to stay home and not vote in
the upcoming election.

Speaker 13 (01:51:13):
Well, that's that's just so damaging to our constitutional republic
and it's damaging for the state of Ohio. And you
didn't say this, but but I'm sure what Brian Thomas
is talking about are typically conservative and or Republican voters
and when they yeah, so, if they're going to do that,
it's handing over the keys to liberals to democrats. And

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I mean, can you imagine if if the mayor of
Cincinnati who has has uh has turned Cincinnati upside down
in a in a bad way, you allow people like
that to become governor of our state. I mean that
that's uh. We cannot let that happen. And when you
see what's happened in a state like Virginia, where Abigail

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Svansberger campaigned as a acted like she wasn't going to
do do anything extreme or radical, and then within days
of entering the office, turns that stayed upside down with
a variety of laws that have dramatically impacted the life
of those people. I mean, we can't let that happen

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in Ohio. In and you know that is discouraging to
hear people say that, But let me remind you, Dan,
it's only June. We've got a long time and people
will get energized. People will realize that if we send
Shared Brown back to Washington, d C. That that's going
to be terrible for our country. And we need people

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to show up. And yes, we we as Republicans, have
got to show that people who trust us to faithfully
execute the laws of our land and to pass conservative laws,
that we're going to do what we said we were
going to do.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
All right, Adam Burg say right there, we got to
get to a quick break and then we'll continue on
fifty five KRCV talk station our.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Fifty five krc the talk station having a conversation with
State Representative Adam Bird. And Adam Bird, when you're up
in Columbus and we see the news that broke a
week or so ago about all the indictments and the
all the just the massive fraud that has been going

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on as it relates to medicaid medicare here in Ohio,
is there is there a sense in Columbus that someone
was asleep at the switch. We that that whatever oversight
we had in place really wasn't getting the job done
that allowed this to go on. And the notion that
we've had the governor come out and say during the

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initial reports about this that that it's racist to target
a certain community where this may be going on, and
essentially there was nothing to see here.

Speaker 13 (01:54:02):
Well, Dan, you asked me, is there a sense that
someone's sleep at the switch? No, the sense is frustration.
And let me tell you why there's frustration, because the
state legislature in twenty nineteen passed a bill that would
provide better and more oversight to medicaid in Ohio and

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the way our moneys are spent, and the governor vetoed
that in twenty nineteen. In twenty twenty two, we passed
another bill that would provide more oversight to the medicaid system.
The governor vetoed that bill as well, and so a
year ago, we passed a bill last summer that would

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require that the Director of Medicaid come to the state
legislature and report on what's going on regarding anti fraud measures.
To this point, the Director of Medicaid has not complied
with that law. And so it's it's not that we're asleep.
We're frustrated. And it's very frustrating when when those kinds

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of things happen and you know again, I point out,
I'm not against helping people in need with the Medicaid system,
but there's more money to spend in the system when
we're keeping fraudsters keeping their hands out of the system.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
I talked with Luke Rosiak, the investigative reporter from the
Daily Wire who did the major investigative, the really the
story that broke this thing wide open, and he talked
about and I think he's testified up in Columbus before
a committee there in Columbus, and he talked about how
he and how can it be Adam Bird that he

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was able to walk into an office building that is
largely abandoned, that is, with the smoke detectors constantly beeping,
that there are one empty office after another, that at
one single address there may be ninety or one hundred
or more home healthcare companies at one single address. And

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you go up to the door and there's nothing more
than a piece of paper taped to the door that
has a company name on it. You go in there,
there's no one there. The offices are empty, there's old
male that's sitting around. I mean, the place looks like
it's abandoned. There's no one there, but yet somehow these
companies are billing millions and millions and millions of dollars

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through the Medicare and medicaid system. How is it that
something like that And I'm sure people have asked you
that something like that can exist, And apparently if not
for investigative reporters like this, that this would still be
going on unabated.

Speaker 13 (01:56:53):
Well, how can it happen? Yes, I agree with you.
The level of frustration is real. It's real with the
state legislature, it's real with my constituents. And people don't
want to hear about how the uh that the You
don't want to hear that the system is being frauded,
and and and you know, I point out Dan that

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that thank you, Luke, and to others, it would be
nice if we had more sediment, investigative journalism that would
attack issues from a fair, unbiased point of view. And
and instead what we get in Columbus, Dan is that
legacy media instead want to push back and say, well, Luke,

(01:57:37):
he's all right, he's far right, he is you know,
he's a conspiracy theorist, instead of saying, you know, we
should check into this ourselves. We don't have a legitimate
media who's willing to attack issues from a nonpartisan UH
point of view. And and so I again I point
out that that as a state legislature, we become frustrated

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because we tried to pass law, and we do pass law,
and but it's not our job to enforce the law.
And that's why it's so important that we electavak Ramaswami
because I do think that he will faithfully execute the
laws of Ohio and make sure that the system isn't
being depraveded.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
Yeah, and we were really short on time here, but
we had the indictments that came out from the Department
of Homeland Security, whether in the indictment's World War on
behalf of the Justice Department and the Attorney General of
the United States talking about just the huge amount of
child trafficking that has been going on in Ohio for

(01:58:40):
a long long time. How did how did that announcement
come out and how was that received amongst you and
your peers up in Columbus.

Speaker 13 (01:58:50):
Well, I think we've heard, we've heard that that that
human trafficking is an issue in Ohio just because we
are the convergence of ICE seventy one I seventy five
I seventy. We're in the heartland of America, and yes,
these kinds of things are going to be traveling through
our state. And we've passed bills on this, and I

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think the governor has supported our efforts in this area
by signing them into law. But we've got to be
good enforcers. We're passing law, and now we need the
enforcement of those laws to happen, and so we'll do
anything that we can to help in this area. Stile

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trafficking is an abomination and it's horrific and we must stop.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
It, all right, Adam Bird, so many more issues we
can talk about, but we're up against the clock, my friend.
I appreciate the time as always. Keep up the great
work out there in Claremont County and Adams County and
New Richmond and all the rest of it. Have a
great Father's Day and we'll talk to you again before
too long.

Speaker 13 (01:59:53):
Awesome, thank you so much. Standing to an honor to
be with you and appreciate the work that you're doing.
Help to expose and show people the need to have
conservative leadership in Columbus.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
Adam, thank you so much. Have a great day, my friend,
and with that we will get to a break eight
twenty seven fifty five KRCV Talk station eight thirty On
this Wednesday morning, Dan Carroll in for Brian Thomas. Brian
is back tomorrow. Glad to be here, Glad you are

(02:00:26):
here as well, and always glad when I get a
chance to talk with Corey Bowman, the man who would
have been mayor should have been mayor, and the man
I like to call the man in the arena, Corey Bowman.
How you doing today?

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Hey, good morning, Dan. Great to be on. I'm still
trying to be in the arena.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
You do what you can, my friend, and you're doing
You're doing great. How's everything at the church?

Speaker 3 (02:00:51):
It's going great. We are going to be celebrating our
Father's Day Sunday this week. We usually give a free
gift to all fathers coming in. And yes, it's gonna
be a great It's gonna be a great time.

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
That is fantastic. Let me let me get your take
on the report that came out about racial disparity. I mean,
and Joe's got Joe put the whole report in front
of me today and I've got all what forty five
pages right here and campaign zero that we can live
in a world beyond policing. What is that when you

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see that, that notion that we can live in a
world beyond policing, What does that say to you?

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
I believe it's just, you know, from my opinion, it
sounds like something my toddler would say if he didn't
if you want to play his video games all day.
You know, I've got an eight year old, a six
year old, a four year old, and a about one
year old, and you know they don't like the dad

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policing that happens in the house, But it doesn't matter.
It's got to happen to create some order in the house.
So the biggest thing I would probably say about this report,
we were actually at a roundtable yesterday with Thomas and
Warren Davidson and several other representatives from public safety, which
I mean it was people on both sides. We were

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just kind of talking and you know, there's there's a
lot of different things to consider when it comes of
public safety, but I think the ultimate thing is you
got to get criminals off the streets, and you've got
to support your local policing. Obviously, there's things that need
to happen to create accountability. That's why we have accrediting.
When it comes to the police force. The Ohio State

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Public Safety offers a free accrediting to all state law
enforcement officers or all agencies, and then nationally you've got
accreditation through KALIA and other organizations as well. This accreditation
helps keep accountability and transparency a lot of things that
are included in you know, things that in Cincinnati we

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say like the collaborative and other things that prevent racial
bias and things that are happening. This organization that came
in the first thing I did was look at the
background of it, because if somebody comes in and says, hey,
this is what's happening, is there going to be political
motives to it? And when I looked at it, it
says that they're tied in with Black Lives Matter, which

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we've seen in retrospect that the organizers of this organization
they've wasted donations on their own million dollar mansions and
they haven't put the money toward the community that they
said they represent. And I'll tell you this right now,
pastoring the inner city. Inner city residents are very frustrated
with organizations like this. But then also looking at the

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motives of the report, I mean, I would ask you
if the KKK came out with the report, and that
report said that all black people are criminals, how much
credibility would you give that report? And That's what I'm
seeing right now is there's a lot of bias, and
if they look for something, they're going to cherry pick

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a lot of things in order to find find whatever
results they want. I think that ultimately, the police, when
it comes to a creditation, when it comes to all
the third party accountability that they already have in place, obviously,
always look at those situations, Always look at those things
to make sure that your officers are adhering to that
and making it better. But I would be very hesitant

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to look at this report and see it as a
completely unbiased report.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
Yeah. I was talking to Ken Kober about this a
little while ago, and and he, like I, we're both
glad to see that. Apparently there doesn't seem much of
an appetite on behalf of city council to bite on
this report, to take this and run with it and
talk about, hey, we need to you know, we need

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to start to have meetings, We got to have reforms,
we got to start firing people. Nothing like that. Has happened,
so thankfully, it appears Corey Bowman that that there's not
an overreaction to this, which I quite frankly find a
little refreshing that that has that head really has not developed.

Speaker 3 (02:05:09):
Yeah, and I think that that all stems from where
the report came from. And if you go back to
the background of this organization, then you kind of realize, hey,
there's a lot of bias to this. Doesn't mean that
we don't need to be accountable, doesn't mean that we
don't need to keep officers accountable toward issues such as this.
But this report itself, I think it's just falling flat

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because of the background of where it's coming from.

Speaker 2 (02:05:33):
Very good. I love that response, Corey Bowman, stay right there.
We got to get to a quick break and we'll
have more with Corey Bowman, the man in the arena
on the other side of this. On fifty five KRC,
the talk station Father's Day Weekend, Dad's shoot Station fifty

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five KRC, the talk station eight forty on this Wednesday morning,
we are chatting with Corey Bowman, the man who would
have been mayor, and Corey Bowman, Cincinnati City Council is
going to take its final vote today on the budget
that includes two million dollars for the Farmer Music Center. So, uh,
I guess you're you're glad about that that we're we

(02:06:14):
found two million dollars to send to the new music
venue down there at Coney Island.

Speaker 3 (02:06:21):
Yeah, just trying to figure out where they found it from.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
Still, you know, there's a lot of drawers down there
at City Hall and people stuff money in them. You know,
they look they you know, they they look in a
dword and say, oh, look at what's in here. They
found some money. It's amazing how that word.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:06:40):
I mean, obviously, we ran a race for mayor of
Cincinnati and one of the biggest things that we had
to run on was the budget. And you know, I
I tell people that when it comes to whether it
be personal finances, business find finances, nonprofit finances, no budget
is perfect. It's about reworking and making sure that your
principles and your priorities are first. And you know, am

(02:07:03):
I extremely mad that there's a music center going in,
or that they're considering new stadiums, or they're considering all
this new improvement to the city. Absolutely not. We love Cincinnati.
It's our home. But when it comes to this city budget,
the more that we dived into we realized that the
principles and the priorities need to be readjusted. What I
mean by that is that when you look at your

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let's say, your family budget, and you're saying, hey, we
have the opportunity to go bungee jumping this Saturday, but
we don't we won't have food on the table for
the next three days. Well, yeah, it'd be nice to
go bungee jumping, but the kids need food for the
next three days. So your priorities is what keeps you
in line and making sure that you're not spending money

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in areas that you shouldn't before you reach things like
let's say infrastructure like roads, like when it comes to
making sure that the money is going to the right places.
With law enforcement and the fire department, we're still if
the numbers are still the same, we're at sixty four
percent of our fire trucks either need replaced or repaired.

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When it comes to a lot of different equipment issues.
When it comes to our tactical teams with Cincinnati Police,
we've seen that they get denied for a lot of requests.
So these are just things that I feel like the
priorities of the budget need to be there first, and
I don't believe a lot of people at city Hall
have those priorities. Their priorities kind of lie in a

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lot of other areas, whether it be with affordable housing
or whether it be with other things that I think
that your city services need to kind of be reprioritized.

Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
Yeah, and I believe there's about a thirty million dollars
shortfall that the city has as well, and I don't
see that really being addressed in a meaningful way here.

Speaker 3 (02:08:51):
Yeah, You've got a lot of things that from a
long term perspective, we need to figure out. You know,
let's look at the pension front, let's look at and
then also the way that the railroad funds are being spent.
There's a full never debacle there because the thing is
that everybody voted under the guise of, hey, we have
the capacity of using these funds through the trust which

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they're investing. We get dividends from that, We're going to
get payments from the interest on that to be able
to spend to fix our roads at a rapid pace.
This was never meant to be a shell game to
where we use those funds out instead of certain allocated
funds for the budget. And then also what we're seeing
is that we don't have the capacity to spend it.

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If you gave city council one hundred and fifty million
dollars a day in say Coades, they couldn't do it
because they don't have the capacity. They don't have the
right contracts in place, they don't have the right relationships
in place. If you're loing long term, you've got to
set stuff like that up to be able to be
ready to take care of your city properly. And that's
not what's happening.

Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
Yeah, it certainly seems that way. Corey Bowman. Tell me
again what events you have going on this weekend for
Father's Day.

Speaker 3 (02:10:01):
Well, we simply just have our Father's Day Sunday, which
at ten thirty we start. We're at five oh three
Clark Street, right in the shadow of TQL Stadium there,
and yeah, we have a gift for fathers and we started,
like I said, ten thirty. We go into prayer time
and worship and then go into the word. We usually
get out about twelve thirty one o'clock and gifts for

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every father. So we always always base it on the
word of God, based on community. You know, the more
and more that I dive into politics, the more I
realize the foundation of my life of Jesus is more
important than ever before. And you know, when you have
all these issues, a lot of people just want to
blame the government for everything, but you know, the foundation

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of our hope is a relationship with Jesus Christ. And
I would, you know, want to encourage anybody watching that
that is something that will dramatically improve your life in
every area.

Speaker 2 (02:10:56):
Corey Bowman, always great to have you on. Always appreciate
your message, and keep up the great work, my friend,
and we'll be talking again before too long. Corey Bowman,
thank you, Dan, thank you so much for having me
all right, Corey Bowman me. It's my way of thinking
the man who should have been mayor