April 15, 2025 • 17 mins
Dan Carroll talks with Steve Goreham to talk climate issues.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Fifty five KRC DE Talk Station eight thirty on this
Tuesday morning, Tax Day twenty twenty five, Dan Carroll hanging
out for Brian Thomas and get to welcome in another
great guest. Steve Gorm is the executive director of the
Climate Science Coalition of America. He is the author of
four books on energy, climate change, and sustainable development. He's
(00:27):
got over one hundred thousand copies in print. His latest
book is The Green Breakdown Becoming Renewable Energy Failure and
Steve Gorm, it is great once again to welcome you
to the radio and fifty five KRC. How are you today, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hey, Dan, I'm doing great. Great to join you on
this text day.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, tax Day. I hope you've got all your I'm sure.
I'm sure you've got everything squared away and you're ready
to Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I did way too much. But while we have huge,
huge changes going on in climate policy and energy right now,
just big, big things, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I mean, before we get to that, let me ask
you a question. You know, we live in historic time, sure,
and of course we had the spectacle yesterday of the
Blue Origin rocketing into space and the six women up
there doing God knows what they were, and we've got
the audio of what they were doing up there. But uh,
before the before the rocket took off, CBS was doing
(01:24):
an interview with former astronaut doctor May Jamison, and one
of the comments she made talking about the importance of
this historic space flight was that that she claimed, and
I don't know how the spaceflight figures into this, but
she claimed that the Earth already no longer has an
atmosphere that supports our life form. And I'm looking at
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that and I'm thinking about that, Well, if the Earth
is not supporting our life form, how is it that
you and I are here in order to have this
this discussion today, and that that she's out there still
drawing bread.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, I'm not sure what she meant what she meant
about that, that's uh, I mean, did she mention climate
at all? Is that what she was alluding to?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Because but again, while she was talking about how, you know,
we're all humans and we're all connected to the Earth,
and you know, when you go up and view the
Earth from you know, wherever they were re viewing it from,
you know, makes it makes you realize how fragile the
Earth is and that the you know, that somehow we
you know, we just don't aren't able to support life
here on Earth anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Humans certainly have had a big, a big impact on
the surface of the Earth. Of course, we've we have
farmed it, and we have cut down forest. We've done
a lot of things to transform the surface of the Earth.
I don't know if the atmosphere has changed that much. So,
you know, even the amounts that that humans emit in
terms of carbon dioxide is only about one or two
percent of well it's it's less than five percent of
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the CO two that nature puts into the atmosphere by itself.
So we're pretty small in terms of what's going on
with the atmosphere. So I don't really understand her comments there.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, as CBS was also making the point that
scientific experiments were being conducted on this flight. You know,
the whole thing lasted eleven minutes. I don't know how
to are you aware of any scientific experiments that can
be conducted in that spent a time?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's a short one. Well, they probably had some electronic
sensors that were sensing something. But you know, one of
the things mister Trump has said is that in his
administration is that NASA now and this wasn't a NASA thing.
I think it was a private thing. But NASA must
stick to space and flights into space, and they're no
longer able to do climate anymore. Really a tremendous change.
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And they're cutting about two thirds of the budget that's
associated anyway with climate change at NASA. So there's just
some huge, huge policy changes in process.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, And speaking of Trump, Trump put out a and
executive order that deals with American energy and it talks
about overreach and things like that. How does that play
into the whole scope of climate policy in the United States.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, this just happened last week, and this is a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The President.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Issued an executive order called Protecting American Energy from State Overreach,
and he said that state laws were seeking to regulate
energy beyond their constitutional statutory authorities, and he actually called
them extortion laws. And he mentioned New York, in Vermont,
(04:40):
and California, and he directed the US Attorney General of
Pam Bondi to identify these laws that were burdening domestic
energy resources or may or may not be unconstitutional, preempted
by federal law, or otherwise unenforceable. Within sixty days and
to recommend actions to change this. So we're actually going
to we have the federal government that are suing the
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states for their climate laws. This has not happened to
my knowledge, to any extent over the last years. Really
a huge change, and we haven't heard much about it
in the press.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah. Well, if the press has their way, anything that
doesn't fit their particular climate narrative, we won't hear much
about it at all. I want to ask you about
solar panels and windmills, but we got to get to
a quick break here, So Steve Gorham, if you would
just hang on and we'll get right back to you
as we roll on on fifty five KRC, the Talk Station.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio Station.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
The Talk station, continuing our conversation with Steve Gorham, executive
director of the Climate Science Coalition of America. And Steve Gorham.
One of the things that Donald Trump has done is
imposed tariffs on China, and this is going to have
a pretty major effect on China because they send us
so many solar panels and so many elements that are
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involved in the construction of an operating of the windmills
and the turbines and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, this is going to be the biggest impact. He
has kept ten percent tariffs on every nation. He also
has twenty five percent on steel, aluminum, and automobiles. He's
pretty much backed off on everything else. I think he's negotiating.
They're negotiating with more than one hundred countries now over
the next ninety days. But China has not said they
want to negotiate. They've just retaliated with terraffs, and so
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now China and the US both have terrors over one
hundred percent on imports and exports, I think. And this
is really, as you say, this is going to hammer
a renewable energy equipment. Eighty percent of the world's solar
cells and panels are made by China or they are
using components from China. Also, these big grid scale batteries
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that California and New York and some other states want
to put in place to back up wind and solar,
most of those batteries, or at least the metals for
the batteries come from China. And so these prices are
going to skyrocket. It's going to have a huge impact
and just another another problem with green equipment, green Energy,
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it's just going to stop stop by green Energy and
its tracks.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and with and with all the subsidies that are
being cut off as well. We are seeing and the
reports still come in almost daily of this wind farm
that is shutting down, this solar panel project that is
that has run out of money. And I don't know
if I've had a chance to ask you about this,
but I know I read an article not that long
ago talking about once these solar panels come to the
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end of their life, that we really don't have a
good way to dispose of these solar panels because I
guess they're necessarily going to have to go into a landfill.
But there's so many toxic chemicals that are involved in
producing these solar panels that eventually these things leach out
into the ground and calls all sorts of other problems
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as well.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well. I think I think most of our landfills now
have canvas and other things to prevent stuff from leaching.
But the amount of waste really is huge. You know.
It's when you're using hydrocarbons, you're basically burning up the
fuel and there's nothing left except the water, vapor and
the carbon acid that goes in the atmosphere. And you
don't replace power plants, you know, maybe once every fifty
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sixty years, but if you're replacing the solar panels every
twenty years. Now in California, for example, our federal agencies
have said it costs about twenty to twenty five dollars
to try and recycle materials from a solar panel, but
you only get about four dollars worth of useful metals
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out of it. And if you were to send it
to the landfill and only costs one or two dollars.
So nobody's going to recycle these things unless there's huge
state or federal subsidies to do so, they're going to
send them to landfills. And so as we put more
and more of these in, we send them to landfills.
And you know, I sent you a little image of
this picture in New York, which is also in my
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last book, Green Breakdown. There's a congressman standing next to
this huge pile of wind turbine blades, which which is
thirty forty feet high in New York. And when the
wind turbines blades we're out, they have to they have
to chop them up or burn them, they're too big
for landfills. It's it's really a significant problem that is
getting bigger and bigger as we put more of these
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things in.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, I'm looking I'm looking at it right now. It
is it is an astonishing photograph, and I think, really
it gets to the point of just the absolute mountain
of waste that these things create. All right, have you
been surprised at all by the amount of waste frawden
abuse that Lee Zelden has uncovered at the EPA.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, I you know, it really is amazing. And you know,
mister Musk and his Doage group has gone through a
lot of those and I just I just wrote an
article about the Department of Defense. Pete Haigseth has said,
we do not do climate change crap, and he's cutting
out all the climate programs. But listen to some of
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these programs. They published a paper in twenty twenty two
lauding the things they did in they did in climate.
This was the US Navy lauding the different different things
they did for the climates, and one of them was
studying climate change in the Mekong Delta of Vietnam with
the government of Vietnam. This is a Navy project. Another
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one was a California organic recycling and composting Another one
was a partnership with the Armed Forces of Ghana to
combat vector born diseases. This is the United States Navy
putting money out for these things. None of these things
improved Navy military readiness in any way. And this is
just and you know, I just found this look at online.
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It's off that the Navy was publishing. There's this, there's
this analyst amounts of this government money that's going into
stuff that doesn't do anything really useful as far as
military purposes.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh you know, it wasn't that long ago. We had
a commander in chief and a chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff tell our graduating cadets at the Army
and our midshipman at the Navy that the number one
threat to America was climate change. You know that, Never
mind Russia, never mind North Korea, never mind China, it's
climate change. And I love this chart you put out
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of US military emissions by service and equipment type. And
you know, you've got the Air Force has got fifty
six percent of emissions. And then you know, different aircraft
than the Navy and then you got a little small
sliver down there with the Marine Corps only puts out
five percent of our emissions. That would figure that. You know,
they're probably the most efficient out of all the military services.
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And they've got, you know, the I guess, the smallest
carbon footprint you can possibly have.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That came from the Department of Defense, and President Biden
hit them all marching down this, we're going to do
climate stuff. I mean, the Army even was going to
take all of its field technical vehicles, including the heavy ones,
including tanks, and run them on electric engines. And they
also they were developing battlefield chargers. If you can imagine,
they're going to drive chargers out, sit them somewhere and
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have these tanks sitting next to them for an hour
or two at a time. I mean, this stuff is fantasy.
It does nothing for our military capability. It's just there
for climates. And Pete higgsuff is cutting all this stuff out.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, well, thank god. I don't know how anyone in
their right mind could look at that and in a
practical sense think that that is a good idea. And
you know, Steve Gorham, I mean that's the thing to me,
was so much of this stuff that in a practical
sense and when you you know, when you talk about
the economics of it, and you know, and everything else
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that goes into all the you know, the different wind
turbines and the solar panels and green energy this and
the biofuels and everything else that and on economic sense,
you know, none of this stuff exists but for government subsidies.
And once you wipe those out, well, these are these
things they fold like a chief suit.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, we're gonna have a lot of bankruptcies too with
all this stuff. As you say, cutting funding across all
these different industries, we're also they're also laying off a
lot of headcount. I mentioned NASA and Noah, but they're
they're cutting headcount. The Environmental Protection Agency, they just shut
down a museum at the Environmental Protection Agency. They had
their own museum, but it costs per visitor. It was
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costing them over three hundred dollars because they didn't have
any visitors. The museum was expensive. Well, anyway, lies all
them to shuttle it down. The Federal Energy Management Agency
is shutting down their climate programs as well. And if
you have anything any research project that says climate on it,
that is going away in the federal government. Mister Trump
is completely transforming it top to bottom.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
So with your book, is green breakdown the coming renewable
energy failure? Are we already here? Have we reached that
stage already with the renewable energy failure? Is that upon
us right now?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Now? This is quicker than I expected. I thought this
would take several decades, and it probably will around the world.
But mister Trump is accelerating this green breakdown. It's a
very readable book. It has the science economics, and it
also got one hundred and fifty color side bars. One
of those is this headline Britain's advice to stop showering
to conserve energy, And there was also a minister in
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Switzerland who said that people should shower with a friend
to conserve energy. But you know, these are the crazy
things that are going on. But the book captures all
this funny stuff and gives people the real background they
need to see the crazy state the world is in
and how it's going to change.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, you know, you and I always talk when these
world climate gatherings take place, you know, under the auspices
of the United Nations or whatever organization it is. If
the United States no longer is going to participate in
these sort of events. Do they have any impact, any
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meaning at all if the United States isn't there.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, right off the bat, there's about eight billion dollars
a year that comes out of it. Mister Trump has
shut that off. As part of the USA they were
giving money, and then the US federal government was giving money.
That's been shut off. And it is a big thing.
And I do think that this is different than his
first term. I think the world is ready. By the way,
a friend of mine, doctor Benny Piyser in Europe, says
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that people are just jaded with his climate stuff. He
thinks more than half the population over there doesn't believe
what leaders is telling him anymore. So I think we're
about to see a big revolution. People are going to
get out of the climate business. We're going to get
back to sensible energy policy. But it is going to
take quite a bit more for this to occur.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, you know, and I don't know if you want
to answer this question or not, but with all this
money that was changing hands, what percentage of that was
finding its way into the pockets of a lot of
these people who promote this sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, there is a bunch of that, I think Leezeldon
and the EPA has pointed out that there was something
like twenty billion dollars that the EPA granted in the
last couple months of the Trump administration to a number
of non governmental organizations to do climate stuff. It went
to I think the City Bank or somebody. There really
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wasn't a lot of audit on it or tracking, just
a big shoveling of money. So you know, I've always
said the biggest the bigger government gets, the more waste
you have. And we really need the lean government. We
need to get back to the markets and let companies
do their sorts of thing, and these programs that forced
everybody to do certain things to try and save the
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climate are really very foolish.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
All right, Well, Steve Gorham, with that, we will let
you go. If people want to find out more about
you and the Climate Science Coalition of America, how do
they do that?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Go to my website Steve Goorham dot com. G O
R E H A M. I'll send them a sign
copy of any of my four books they can order.
They can also get them on Amazon and there are
e books available as well.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Steve Gorham always appreciate the time, Thank you, sir, and
we'll do it again before too long.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Thank you Dan.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
All Right, there you go, Steve Gorham of the client,
the Climate Science Coalition of America. A little late for
a break here on fifty five KRC DE talk Station
fifty five KRC
Fifty five KRC DE Talk Station eight thirty on this
Tuesday morning, Tax Day twenty twenty five, Dan Carroll hanging
out for Brian Thomas and get to welcome in another
great guest. Steve Gorm is the executive director of the
Climate Science Coalition of America. He is the author of
four books on energy, climate change, and sustainable development. He's
(00:27):
got over one hundred thousand copies in print. His latest
book is The Green Breakdown Becoming Renewable Energy Failure and
Steve Gorm, it is great once again to welcome you
to the radio and fifty five KRC. How are you today, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hey, Dan, I'm doing great. Great to join you on
this text day.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, tax Day. I hope you've got all your I'm sure.
I'm sure you've got everything squared away and you're ready
to Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I did way too much. But while we have huge,
huge changes going on in climate policy and energy right now,
just big, big things, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I mean, before we get to that, let me ask
you a question. You know, we live in historic time, sure,
and of course we had the spectacle yesterday of the
Blue Origin rocketing into space and the six women up
there doing God knows what they were, and we've got
the audio of what they were doing up there. But uh,
before the before the rocket took off, CBS was doing
(01:24):
an interview with former astronaut doctor May Jamison, and one
of the comments she made talking about the importance of
this historic space flight was that that she claimed, and
I don't know how the spaceflight figures into this, but
she claimed that the Earth already no longer has an
atmosphere that supports our life form. And I'm looking at
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that and I'm thinking about that, Well, if the Earth
is not supporting our life form, how is it that
you and I are here in order to have this
this discussion today, and that that she's out there still
drawing bread.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, I'm not sure what she meant what she meant
about that, that's uh, I mean, did she mention climate
at all? Is that what she was alluding to?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Because but again, while she was talking about how, you know,
we're all humans and we're all connected to the Earth,
and you know, when you go up and view the
Earth from you know, wherever they were re viewing it from,
you know, makes it makes you realize how fragile the
Earth is and that the you know, that somehow we
you know, we just don't aren't able to support life
here on Earth anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Humans certainly have had a big, a big impact on
the surface of the Earth. Of course, we've we have
farmed it, and we have cut down forest. We've done
a lot of things to transform the surface of the Earth.
I don't know if the atmosphere has changed that much. So,
you know, even the amounts that that humans emit in
terms of carbon dioxide is only about one or two
percent of well it's it's less than five percent of
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the CO two that nature puts into the atmosphere by itself.
So we're pretty small in terms of what's going on
with the atmosphere. So I don't really understand her comments there.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, as CBS was also making the point that
scientific experiments were being conducted on this flight. You know,
the whole thing lasted eleven minutes. I don't know how
to are you aware of any scientific experiments that can
be conducted in that spent a time?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That's a short one. Well, they probably had some electronic
sensors that were sensing something. But you know, one of
the things mister Trump has said is that in his
administration is that NASA now and this wasn't a NASA thing.
I think it was a private thing. But NASA must
stick to space and flights into space, and they're no
longer able to do climate anymore. Really a tremendous change.
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And they're cutting about two thirds of the budget that's
associated anyway with climate change at NASA. So there's just
some huge, huge policy changes in process.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, And speaking of Trump, Trump put out a and
executive order that deals with American energy and it talks
about overreach and things like that. How does that play
into the whole scope of climate policy in the United States.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, this just happened last week, and this is a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The President.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Issued an executive order called Protecting American Energy from State Overreach,
and he said that state laws were seeking to regulate
energy beyond their constitutional statutory authorities, and he actually called
them extortion laws. And he mentioned New York, in Vermont,
(04:40):
and California, and he directed the US Attorney General of
Pam Bondi to identify these laws that were burdening domestic
energy resources or may or may not be unconstitutional, preempted
by federal law, or otherwise unenforceable. Within sixty days and
to recommend actions to change this. So we're actually going
to we have the federal government that are suing the
(05:02):
states for their climate laws. This has not happened to
my knowledge, to any extent over the last years. Really
a huge change, and we haven't heard much about it
in the press.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah. Well, if the press has their way, anything that
doesn't fit their particular climate narrative, we won't hear much
about it at all. I want to ask you about
solar panels and windmills, but we got to get to
a quick break here, So Steve Gorham, if you would
just hang on and we'll get right back to you
as we roll on on fifty five KRC, the Talk Station.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio Station.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
The Talk station, continuing our conversation with Steve Gorham, executive
director of the Climate Science Coalition of America. And Steve Gorham.
One of the things that Donald Trump has done is
imposed tariffs on China, and this is going to have
a pretty major effect on China because they send us
so many solar panels and so many elements that are
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involved in the construction of an operating of the windmills
and the turbines and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, this is going to be the biggest impact. He
has kept ten percent tariffs on every nation. He also
has twenty five percent on steel, aluminum, and automobiles. He's
pretty much backed off on everything else. I think he's negotiating.
They're negotiating with more than one hundred countries now over
the next ninety days. But China has not said they
want to negotiate. They've just retaliated with terraffs, and so
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now China and the US both have terrors over one
hundred percent on imports and exports, I think. And this
is really, as you say, this is going to hammer
a renewable energy equipment. Eighty percent of the world's solar
cells and panels are made by China or they are
using components from China. Also, these big grid scale batteries
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that California and New York and some other states want
to put in place to back up wind and solar,
most of those batteries, or at least the metals for
the batteries come from China. And so these prices are
going to skyrocket. It's going to have a huge impact
and just another another problem with green equipment, green Energy,
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it's just going to stop stop by green Energy and
its tracks.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and with and with all the subsidies that are
being cut off as well. We are seeing and the
reports still come in almost daily of this wind farm
that is shutting down, this solar panel project that is
that has run out of money. And I don't know
if I've had a chance to ask you about this,
but I know I read an article not that long
ago talking about once these solar panels come to the
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end of their life, that we really don't have a
good way to dispose of these solar panels because I
guess they're necessarily going to have to go into a landfill.
But there's so many toxic chemicals that are involved in
producing these solar panels that eventually these things leach out
into the ground and calls all sorts of other problems
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as well.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well. I think I think most of our landfills now
have canvas and other things to prevent stuff from leaching.
But the amount of waste really is huge. You know.
It's when you're using hydrocarbons, you're basically burning up the
fuel and there's nothing left except the water, vapor and
the carbon acid that goes in the atmosphere. And you
don't replace power plants, you know, maybe once every fifty
(08:30):
sixty years, but if you're replacing the solar panels every
twenty years. Now in California, for example, our federal agencies
have said it costs about twenty to twenty five dollars
to try and recycle materials from a solar panel, but
you only get about four dollars worth of useful metals
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out of it. And if you were to send it
to the landfill and only costs one or two dollars.
So nobody's going to recycle these things unless there's huge
state or federal subsidies to do so, they're going to
send them to landfills. And so as we put more
and more of these in, we send them to landfills.
And you know, I sent you a little image of
this picture in New York, which is also in my
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last book, Green Breakdown. There's a congressman standing next to
this huge pile of wind turbine blades, which which is
thirty forty feet high in New York. And when the
wind turbines blades we're out, they have to they have
to chop them up or burn them, they're too big
for landfills. It's it's really a significant problem that is
getting bigger and bigger as we put more of these
(09:34):
things in.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, I'm looking I'm looking at it right now. It
is it is an astonishing photograph, and I think, really
it gets to the point of just the absolute mountain
of waste that these things create. All right, have you
been surprised at all by the amount of waste frawden
abuse that Lee Zelden has uncovered at the EPA.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, I you know, it really is amazing. And you know,
mister Musk and his Doage group has gone through a
lot of those and I just I just wrote an
article about the Department of Defense. Pete Haigseth has said,
we do not do climate change crap, and he's cutting
out all the climate programs. But listen to some of
(10:17):
these programs. They published a paper in twenty twenty two
lauding the things they did in they did in climate.
This was the US Navy lauding the different different things
they did for the climates, and one of them was
studying climate change in the Mekong Delta of Vietnam with
the government of Vietnam. This is a Navy project. Another
(10:38):
one was a California organic recycling and composting Another one
was a partnership with the Armed Forces of Ghana to
combat vector born diseases. This is the United States Navy
putting money out for these things. None of these things
improved Navy military readiness in any way. And this is
just and you know, I just found this look at online.
(10:59):
It's off that the Navy was publishing. There's this, there's
this analyst amounts of this government money that's going into
stuff that doesn't do anything really useful as far as
military purposes.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh you know, it wasn't that long ago. We had
a commander in chief and a chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff tell our graduating cadets at the Army
and our midshipman at the Navy that the number one
threat to America was climate change. You know that, Never
mind Russia, never mind North Korea, never mind China, it's
climate change. And I love this chart you put out
(11:31):
of US military emissions by service and equipment type. And
you know, you've got the Air Force has got fifty
six percent of emissions. And then you know, different aircraft
than the Navy and then you got a little small
sliver down there with the Marine Corps only puts out
five percent of our emissions. That would figure that. You know,
they're probably the most efficient out of all the military services.
(11:54):
And they've got, you know, the I guess, the smallest
carbon footprint you can possibly have.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
That came from the Department of Defense, and President Biden
hit them all marching down this, we're going to do
climate stuff. I mean, the Army even was going to
take all of its field technical vehicles, including the heavy ones,
including tanks, and run them on electric engines. And they
also they were developing battlefield chargers. If you can imagine,
they're going to drive chargers out, sit them somewhere and
(12:21):
have these tanks sitting next to them for an hour
or two at a time. I mean, this stuff is fantasy.
It does nothing for our military capability. It's just there
for climates. And Pete higgsuff is cutting all this stuff out.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, well, thank god. I don't know how anyone in
their right mind could look at that and in a
practical sense think that that is a good idea. And
you know, Steve Gorham, I mean that's the thing to me,
was so much of this stuff that in a practical
sense and when you you know, when you talk about
the economics of it, and you know, and everything else
(12:58):
that goes into all the you know, the different wind
turbines and the solar panels and green energy this and
the biofuels and everything else that and on economic sense,
you know, none of this stuff exists but for government subsidies.
And once you wipe those out, well, these are these
things they fold like a chief suit.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, we're gonna have a lot of bankruptcies too with
all this stuff. As you say, cutting funding across all
these different industries, we're also they're also laying off a
lot of headcount. I mentioned NASA and Noah, but they're
they're cutting headcount. The Environmental Protection Agency, they just shut
down a museum at the Environmental Protection Agency. They had
their own museum, but it costs per visitor. It was
(13:43):
costing them over three hundred dollars because they didn't have
any visitors. The museum was expensive. Well, anyway, lies all
them to shuttle it down. The Federal Energy Management Agency
is shutting down their climate programs as well. And if
you have anything any research project that says climate on it,
that is going away in the federal government. Mister Trump
is completely transforming it top to bottom.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
So with your book, is green breakdown the coming renewable
energy failure? Are we already here? Have we reached that
stage already with the renewable energy failure? Is that upon
us right now?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Now? This is quicker than I expected. I thought this
would take several decades, and it probably will around the world.
But mister Trump is accelerating this green breakdown. It's a
very readable book. It has the science economics, and it
also got one hundred and fifty color side bars. One
of those is this headline Britain's advice to stop showering
to conserve energy, And there was also a minister in
(14:41):
Switzerland who said that people should shower with a friend
to conserve energy. But you know, these are the crazy
things that are going on. But the book captures all
this funny stuff and gives people the real background they
need to see the crazy state the world is in
and how it's going to change.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, you know, you and I always talk when these
world climate gatherings take place, you know, under the auspices
of the United Nations or whatever organization it is. If
the United States no longer is going to participate in
these sort of events. Do they have any impact, any
(15:17):
meaning at all if the United States isn't there.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, right off the bat, there's about eight billion dollars
a year that comes out of it. Mister Trump has
shut that off. As part of the USA they were
giving money, and then the US federal government was giving money.
That's been shut off. And it is a big thing.
And I do think that this is different than his
first term. I think the world is ready. By the way,
a friend of mine, doctor Benny Piyser in Europe, says
(15:44):
that people are just jaded with his climate stuff. He
thinks more than half the population over there doesn't believe
what leaders is telling him anymore. So I think we're
about to see a big revolution. People are going to
get out of the climate business. We're going to get
back to sensible energy policy. But it is going to
take quite a bit more for this to occur.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Well, you know, and I don't know if you want
to answer this question or not, but with all this
money that was changing hands, what percentage of that was
finding its way into the pockets of a lot of
these people who promote this sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, there is a bunch of that, I think Leezeldon
and the EPA has pointed out that there was something
like twenty billion dollars that the EPA granted in the
last couple months of the Trump administration to a number
of non governmental organizations to do climate stuff. It went
to I think the City Bank or somebody. There really
(16:37):
wasn't a lot of audit on it or tracking, just
a big shoveling of money. So you know, I've always
said the biggest the bigger government gets, the more waste
you have. And we really need the lean government. We
need to get back to the markets and let companies
do their sorts of thing, and these programs that forced
everybody to do certain things to try and save the
(16:58):
climate are really very foolish.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
All right, Well, Steve Gorham, with that, we will let
you go. If people want to find out more about
you and the Climate Science Coalition of America, how do
they do that?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Go to my website Steve Goorham dot com. G O
R E H A M. I'll send them a sign
copy of any of my four books they can order.
They can also get them on Amazon and there are
e books available as well.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Steve Gorham always appreciate the time, Thank you, sir, and
we'll do it again before too long.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Thank you Dan.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
All Right, there you go, Steve Gorham of the client,
the Climate Science Coalition of America. A little late for
a break here on fifty five KRC DE talk Station
fifty five KRC
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