Empower U - March 6th - Peter Bronson

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
It's seven six fifty five KCD talk station. A very
abby Tuesday, made extra special because I have in studio
right across from me, the legendary Peter Bronson, author of
multiple just outstanding books. Also, he was the the the
editor and calmness the sins An Inquiry. You got to

(00:33):
go back quite a few years. This is when they
actually did a lot of reporting on The Inquirer and
under his leadership, the Inquirer was judge the best editorial
page in Ohio for four years in a row. So
that's a real accomplishment. Peter Bronson, It's good to have
you in studio. I know you're doing an empower You
summinar this Thursday to talk about your most recent book,
Promised Land. How the Midwest was One. Welcome back man.

(00:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Always fun to be here with you.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Brian, Oh, it's great. I just I enjoy our conversations
me too. Let us again. I got to ask you
before we get to the book, before we get to
the seminar, empower Youamerica dot org. You can get the
details registered to either you know, come show up in
person or log in from the comfort of your own home.
And thanks. There's always the Dan Reaganell for the entire
power of concept. Oh in the lineup of classes, prestic, Yeah, fantastic,

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Most notably tonight, here's why I'll put a plug in
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program And it's going to be an outstanding seminar tonight
for those folks who are concerned about COVID. You're gonna
learn a lot tonight. Oh amazing eye opener. We're going

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to be reflecting and people will be writing about that
experience in our history for a long long time.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Now that we're allowed to. Yeah, we're questions.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, all those conspiracy theories has actually turned out to
be the truth. Yes, scary anyway. But before we get
to the book and get to your seminar or another,
I have to ask you what your assessment of the
state of journalism, particularly local journalism right now, since you're
with the Inquire Back in its heyday, well, that was
the go to place for all things local.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
You had a multitude, it was the gold standard. It was,
I mean for media in this town and in this region.
It was if it was in the inquiry, you could
trust it. Yeah, I mean if it said the sun
would rise in the west, people would changed the they
pull the shades down, you know. I mean it was
that good it was. We had when I got here
in ninety two, we had three hundred and sixty five

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thousand circulation. I don't know exactly what it is today,
but it's less than that very much. So I have magnitude.
But you know, newspapers, when you were talking about them earlier,
those are the glory days when newspapers, as they would
say today, were a thing. I mean, everybody had a paper,
you always. It was the hard copy paper. You read

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it in the morning and it got you off to
your start, and then you come home in the evening
and still be waiting there with great stories, a lot
of context, a lot of in depth. And the really
sad thing I think is that what people really don't notice,
and they don't miss it because they don't notice, is
that nobody's watching. We used to staff all the meetings

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exactly everything, city, county, state, just over the entire region,
and we were there watching, and so we kept the
public officials honest to a great extent.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Now, look, what's happened.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Since that has receded, there's just a scandal after scandal,
reckless overspending and waste and abuse and fraud, and this
is all at all levels.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's distressing.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, journalists used to hold them accountable exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
That was our job.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
And you'd investigate and dig in and and ask the
hard questions and report when people didn't answer, and report
the answers when they gave them. Now there's no one
in the room.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
And you know, the other thing is that it got
to be in the final years while I was still
at the paper before I left in two thousand and nine,
that more and more there was an agenda in the
newsroom and it just got out of control until pretty
soon the agenda was running the newsroom. So it would be, yeah,
we're going to hold Republicans accountable. Yeah, Democrats, Nats not

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so much. We don't care. They're okay, they're on our side.
It was a clear our side their side thing. And
it became harder and harder to have opinions that were
conservative or dissented from the liberal orthodoxy to be published.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
In the paper.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
And I mean it really it was crazy that people
forgot what journalism.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Is all about supposed to be objective reporting exactly, and
then the editorial page was where you offered your politically
biased comments. Yerhaps or man perhaps not, but you know,
a reporter would go out into the field and just
report the facts and then you would draw your own
conclusions and opinions based upon what you read. Now it's
all built in this direction, this this this lean and

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and of course, as you observe, very left leaning these days,
but it reduces the credibility of the paper.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Maybe if you don't have trust, what do you have nothing?
That's the only thing you're selling in the media. Yeah,
it is trust well, and it's a recipe for obvious disaster.
As you note the number of people subscribing to it,
even online subscriptions has dropped. Yes, you got to pay
for it, and you know you're paying to support sort

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of left wing journalism and left wing op ed pieces
and left bias quote unquote factory reporting. And it's just
not so that's how you lose you lose readership. It's
just it's again a recipe for failure. I don't understand it.
The great scandals that's been uncovered in this dosee investigations
is how n s A I D was paying our

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media to Really they're they're pouring millions of dollars into
our media. I mean we're talking about New York Times.
We're talking about big platforms Politico, Politico that are on
the take from the government they are supposed to cover. Now,
how do you do that? That's that's that's just corruption.

(06:17):
You're in simple you don't bite the hand that feed you.
So over at that left wing rag Politico Online, Politico
dot com. I check it out almost every day because
I want to see what their side of the of
the story is. To provide me with that liberal talking point.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
How do you trust it? But you can't.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
No, And look at NPR National Public Radio. I mean
seventy percent of their stories lean way left. Yeah, and
what do you know, they're also on the take from
our tax dollars.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Well, I pint. I think the Trump administration is going
to be doing something about that. PBS and NPR. I
saw an article I guess this morning. I can't remember
which source, but it sounded like it was legitimate because
of course, the Trump administration isn't interested in funding left
wing organization. So, uh, PBS and NPR, maybe your your
your your time is due, and you may want to
try to swim on your own rather than using the

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government or the federal taxpayer dollars.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Well floats, they'll find enough contributions from the private sector
and from their supporters who will keep it going.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah. I firmly believe that, because there are enough people
out there that you know, get their news from them,
as biased as it might be, but want them to
still hang around. But that's how it's supposed to work.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Absolutely, I just always has beneficed.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's offensive to me and has been for I don't know,
going way way back when I was writing editorials and
columns about it, that we would that I would be
paying my tax dollars to a government supported media to
lie to me. Yeah, and and tell me the government
line and the and the left wing Democratic party line
of talking points.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, I mean looking at how the changes occurred. Let's
again look at the enquire for example. And I hate
to be critical of them. I mean, Sharon Coolidg, you
come on the program and talk about you know, city Hall.
She's one of the few people that ever shows up.
But they don't have all creature. There's not enough Sharon
Coolg just hired by the inquire to be around everywhere
like the old days when you had a whole bunch
of reporters. But that's right. Do you think it was

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colleges that caused this shift? That the left wing ideology
and incorporation of that left leaning mentality in college curriculum
is what caused journalism to turn into this.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
And I think there was a cohort of my generation
that went through the whole Watergate era. That's when you
had this big bulge in journalism school enrollment and graduation,
which was the one that went into the newsrooms and
began to push an agenda. The older editors who had
been there for a long time resisted, but they were

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quickly outnumbered, and the newsroom became more and more assertive
of its quote unquote rights and privileges to direct news.
The publishers became weaker, just like as you saw on
college campuses, where the administrations became more and more spineless.
The more the protests that they faced, the more they

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would just cave because it was taking the path of
least resistance, And that happened in newsrooms to a lot
great extent. I watched it happen, and that Cohort began
to enforce an orthodoxy as they rose up from reporters
to become editors and managing editors, and they were the bosses,
and they would be the ones that would say, hey,

(09:35):
I want you to shape the story this way, or
this story is not acceptable that one is. So there
you have the gatekeepers, right, and once the gatekeepers have
chosen a side, you really lose credibility in the community
because people know it and they can see it.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah. Well, you know, of course the fifty five Carse
Morning Show tainted with a little ill libertarian bias. As
you said, you can see my stack that I'm surrounded with,
and I've pointed out many times over the years I've
been in radio, and this is nineteenth year for me.
At the end of the week, I'll have more than
a full ream of stories paper sitting next to me

(10:11):
that I never got to. Yeah, and I have to
exercise some sort of editorial discretion. Shared's topic I want
to go to. And some people may disappointed I didn't
talk about this story or that story. But it's up
to me, you know, like it was up to Walter
Cronkite when you watched him. He's got a million different
stories he could cover. He picked that one or this one.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
And it comes down to the sources you interview. Exactly
who do you choose to interview. I mean, we all
knew in the j profession, in the newspaper business that
you could choose, pick and choose experts quote unquote experts
who would tell it, would say whatever you want. You
just call up and say what do you think? Do
you think that this DOS thing is out of control?

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And they get the hint, yes, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, we used to hire experts when I was a
litigation attorney, and quite often in the legal profession, the
experts can find what you want them too. Fine, it's amazing, that's.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
What they're really expert at.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, and make a credible case for it.
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Speaker 1 (13:56):
Seven twenty two to fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brian
Thomas with Peter Bronson and Studio. In addition to being
an author, he's also a publisher Chili Dog Press dot
com where you find Peter's publishing company. And if you
are a budding writer and he aspired to be a writer,
he's a good man to know. He's written so many
wonderful books and the subject matter of his seminar this Thursday,
he Empower You seminar The Promised Land How the Midwest

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was one that's a that's a kind of a deep
dive into the region's history. You go pretty far back,
including the mound builders. Yeah, the Native America thirteen thousand
years ago. Yeah, really amazing. I remember as a student
in K through twelve I cameraber what grade I was in,
but K through sixth grade we went out and saw
the mounds up in Serpent momb Serpent Mountains, Yeah, up

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near Chili Coffee, And that was an amazing experience.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
It is.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
That's an amazing thing because really, if you're on ground level,
you really can't even make.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
It out right, I know.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
So how did they know to make the snake that
can really only be seen as an entire snake including
ahead and tail, And you can only tell it when
you're like three four hundred feet in.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
The air and there's no elevation that right. It's really amazing,
it really is.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
And there are mounds like that all up and down
the Ohio River right here in our community.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
And some of them miner standing is haven't been really
discovered to be mountains.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
So there's still mounds out there that have the remains
of Native Americans and trinkets and artifacts in them, but
there are trees growing on top of them. Mouth they've
been incorporated into the landscape. They haven't been excavated or explored.
And some of them had amazing again engineering that was
defied anything we understand about these cultures, because how did

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you make a circle that's a perfect circle that's a
half mile across without any tools of surveyoring like transit
or any of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
So how did they do this?

Speaker 3 (15:48):
And they moved all that earth with baskets, Yeah, tons
of earth for.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
No caterpillar trucks involved in the building of the mounds.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Really just amazing stuff.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
It is them into their ingenuity and still a mystery
I suppose the reason why, Yeah, everybody needs to bury
their dead. But the idea of where this concept came
to make these real interesting mounds is, I guess, remains unknown.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Some of them are parallel what we would see in
the Aztec and Inca cultures, almost pyramidal, and that some
of them have a lot of burials, like even groups
of young women buried at the same time, meaning human
sacrifice we see evidence of in some of these mounds.
They've seen evidence of cannibalism, no kid, Yeah, very dark stuff.

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Serpent worship, human sacrifice, cannibalism. That parallels again the Incas
and the Aztecs and the Mayans. So this was a
pretty dark culture. But it was also very sophisticated in trading,
because you'll find minerals that can only be found in
the Rocky mountains right here in Ohio. You'll find shark's

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teeth from the Gulf of Mexico. They that are found
in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Copper from the Northern Peninsula in Michigan right here on
the Ohio River.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
So they suggest trading doesn't believable.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Trading network, distant trading thousands of miles away, and coral
and beads that you know you don't have turquoise and
coral here in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Well, read all about it in Promised Land, and it's
just one little tiny sliver what's contained in there. Coming up,
we're going to find out about the Twin Sisters that
save Texas. That's a locally related story. And you'll find
in the Promised Land how the Midwest was one more.
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Speaker 1 (19:42):
Seven thirty Here fifty five krs you talk station Bright
Thomas with Peter Bronson in studio talking about his seminar,
at least in part. We have multitude of topics to
talk about with Peter, and I've invited him to stay
after the top of the our news because brightbart inside
scoop not happened today. Their PR person is out six,
so we didn't get in a bite Bright part person
lined up. But Peter, just a racon tour jack of

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all trades and master of many will have lots of
subjects to talk about. Let's move over to the book
Promised Land, which is the subject matter of your Your
Empower Youth Seminar and Promised Land. How the Midwest was one?
Tell my listeners a little bit about the twin sisters
who saved Texas Cincinnati's Twin Sisters.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, it's an amazing story. I just love finding these
stories and then doing the research to put flesh on
the bones and find out. For example, you hear these
stories and you go that can't be true, and then
you start doing the research and you go, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
It is. Well, okay for budding writers out there, okay,
how did you come across this? The general subject matter,
it has to start at some point and you apparently
heard about this or came across it somewhere and then
developed it as a topic for research.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
So what happens a lot of times is when you're
doing research, you'll just run across little like markers or cookies,
let crumbs left behind from somebody else's research, or they'll
just refer to something and you'll go, well, that's really interesting,
and then you start diving in and pretty soon half
a day later, you know you're following these threads. And

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this really is the golden age for research because everything
is right at your fingertips on that keyboard.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
And if you know how to verify and support, like
from three different sources or so by the time I
was done, I was going I was signing up for
subscriptions to some academic research sites where people publish their papers,
so I'm getting all this academic research, and it was
really amazing. It's just a great story. Up until even

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the nineteen thirties probably or forties when since when Texas
celebrated their independence, they always made a point of expressing
their gratitude to Cincinnati, to the city of Cincinnati for
saving their independence at the Battle of San Jacinto in
eighteen thirty thirty six. And if not for Cincinnati, they

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would have lost that battle, and that was the key
turning point that won independence and defeated Santa Anna.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
No kidding, true, well, who are these sisters? In what
connection did they have to Texas?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
The twin sisters was a pair of six pounder cannons.
Now until when Cincinnati, when Texas was defeated at the
Alamo and a terrible massacre, and it outraged the nation
because Santa Anna butchered all the prisoners who were surrendered
at that battle and just mutilated their bodies. It was

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just beyond barbaric and the nation was outraged. And Texas
sent a secret agent to Cincinnati, which was the nearest
big city the queen City of the West, and Texas
was at that time part of Mexico. They were fighting
for desperately for their independence, and they sent this secret agent.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
His name was Picky Ewn Smith, Great.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Texas, no kidding, and he came to Cincinnati, and all
the leading citizens of this city, judges, congressman, newspaper publishers,
the mayor, all the elected officials gathered and they heard
this guy beg them and plead for help, and they agreed.
They formed a committee called the Friends of Texas Committee,

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and they risked their freedom and their fortunes and their
everything by violating the Federal Neutrality Act to send aid
to Texas. And so they smelted these two cannons, and
they found us a shipping, a ship's captain who would
smuggle him down to Texas. And they shipped it down there,

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complete with ammunition and the caissons and the carriage, all
made right here in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
That is cool. I think the part about the defiance
of federal law. Something there knows that this neutrality law
and say, now we're going to do something right and
help them out.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Exactly they knew because they had bought the battle to
win Ohio from the British and the Indian Confederation. They
knew what it meant to be in a desperate fight
for freedom and for your land and for independence in
this new country. And so they were just the same generation,
just one removed from their fathers who had fought the

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battles to win Ohio.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's recent in their recollection, early
eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, all the same names, all these men, and they
risked everything, they saved Texas. The cannons arrived, as it
turned out, in the decisive battle, precisely in time to
help Sam Houston put those in the middle of his
line at the Battle of San Jacinto, where San Annam
was not aware that he ever had cannons, because he
didn't until that point. And when the Mexicans attacked and

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he opened up with those cannons, it completely turned the battle.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
That just two cannons, just two cannons, that's all it took.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's that's what's wild, along.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
With a lot of very brave Texas well.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Of course you didn't have an army there, but just
the idea that a couple of cannons can turn the
tide of war.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
They were outnumbered and they still managed to. Not only
did they defeat him, they captured him, took him prisoner,
and they stripped him of his sword and his weapons,
and his dagger, which was about a foot and a
half long, probably in a gold scabbard be crusted with jewels,
was taken from him and was gifted to the City

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of Cincinnati in gratitude for those cannons that's still around. No, Unfortunately,
it seems to have gone missing. Okay. Curator of some
museum walk office see him for a long long time,
we believe, And when I asked him to track it down,
they said, we have it in our catalog, but we
cannot find it.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So what's right there next to the arc of the
Covenant in a box?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Somewhere?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
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Speaker 1 (28:26):
Seven forty one at a five KRCB talks station, Happy Tuesday,
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And then of course Peter Bronson talking about Promised Land,
how the Midwest was won, some just fantastic stories that
nobody's ever heard about. I'm glad he's he did all
the research to let us know about our regional history.
The last time you were here right after you released
the book, and I was pretty blown away by it.

(29:10):
The description of Ohio versus Kentucky. Kentucky was what you
described as a safe place to be yes by comparison,
whereas Ohio, I mean you lived on the edge of
danger literally every day your life because of the confrontations
with the Native American trucks were in our area, and
that everyone, you know, risked eminent death when they walked

(29:32):
out the front door.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Absolutely, you had to stay in these little what they
called stations today we'd call them stockades. A lot of
those stations were barely bigger than the footprint of some
of the bigger homes in Indian Hill, for example, So
you'd have all these families crowded in here. In some cases,
the women did not leave the walls of that stockade
for eight or nine months at a time because the

(29:53):
Indian depredations were so terrible. During one four year period,
fifteen hundred these settlers were taken.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
By the Indians.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Now you have to put that in perspective and say
they probably weren't fifteen thousand people settled on the Ohio
side of the.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
River at the time.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Sizeable percentage.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yes, So your wife, your children, your husband, your brother,
your daughter, your uncle, all your family could be taken,
or maybe three or four of them at a time.
They would be if they were too much to handle,
if they were difficult, they would be tortured for days
at a time for the entertainment of the tribe. They

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would be scalped in many cases and left to die,
murdered and mutilated. Or if they decided to sell them
to the British, they could get one hundred dollars for
live hostages and fifty dollars for a scalp. So they
would march them from Cincinnati what would then be known
as the early days of Fort Washington. They'd march them

(30:57):
from here all the way to Detroit on foot, and
if they survived that, then they'd be sold to the
British for.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
One hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
What did the British do with them.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
They used them as slaves, indentured servants, domestic servants working
in their fields in Canada, whatever they wanted. The British
were ensconced in Canada, and they were paying the Indians
to do this terrorism on the settlers to keep us
from expanding into Ohio, which they were there planning to

(31:25):
take all this land for Canada. The British were trying
to make sure that the settlers didn't come west.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
So the Native American culture tribes in our area worked
with and cooperated with the British so that the British
could ultimately take over Ohio. Did they do the next
step in that process, which meant that the British would
probably then turn against the Native Americans.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Well, as it turned out, they did turn against the
Native Americans at the Battle of Fallen Timbers because it
took us three campaigns, military case campaigns that George Washington organized.
George Washing Washington is really an unbelievable hero in so
many ways, but in the history of Ohio he is
a key player. He was back in those days, if

(32:13):
you were a surveyor, you were kind of like the
Indiana Jones of that day. Oh yeah, that was like
the boldest, craziest, most courageous thing and adventurous thing you
could do. And George Clark, yeah, And George Washington was
a surveyor in the Ohio Country, so.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
He knew this land.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
He knew what it meant, how beautiful it was, clean water,
great soil, timber, abundant wildlife for hunting. And he was
determined to make sure this became part of the Young country.
And he knew the British were paying the Indians to
terrorize the settlers, so he organized these military expeditions to

(32:52):
defeat the Indian Indian Confederation of mainly Miami and Shawnee tribes,
and the first two ended in complete disaster massacre, Uh,
just despair, demoralizing defeats where and one battle was the
second one was called the Battle of the Thousand Slain
because that's how many people were massacred by the Indians.

(33:15):
And that all discouraged the people in Ohio so bad
they almost packed it in and left.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm thinking about being stuck in
one of these these these forts or stations did you
call them?

Speaker 2 (33:29):
What kind of life is that? It was horrible.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It had to be.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It was in the winter.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
You could starve, yes, because it was so difficult to
get out of there and hunt, because every time you
go out and hunt you might lose somebody in your
party to the Indians who take, you know, take their gun,
take the guy and torture him or sell them. And
it was just it was terrible what these people went through.
Uh should make us all very proud of the stock

(33:55):
we come from. Yeah, these are some courageous people.

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Speaker 1 (36:25):
Seven fifty one at fifty five kr CD talk station
Very Happy Tuesday Extra Special. Got Peter Bronson in the
studio kind of getting a little history lesson here for
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(37:06):
You you mentioned on air that when these local tribes
would capture the settlers. Yeah, that I think. The worst
thing you said out loud was that they sometimes would
scalp them but using and take them up to the
British and sell them off as slaves. That wasn't bad enough,
but off air you mentioned they also are rather ingenious

(37:28):
at at torturing them.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Absolutely, And and the thing is it was creative brutality, cruelty,
whatever you want to call it. But the thing that
there was brutality on both sides because as anybody can imagine,
if you lose your wife, your daughter, your children to
uh people who capture them and butcher them or kill
them or sell them, that make you pretty in the

(37:53):
mood for revenge. Yes, So the brutality is goes both ways.
Let's not underestimate that. However, the the thing that really
that I found that separated what the Indian tribes did
and the white settlers did is that the Indian tribes
would torture people for days at a.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Time for the entertainment of their entire tribe.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Everybody would get in on it, the the women, the children.
They would they put somebody at a stake and burn
them slowly to death and torture them constantly through the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It was.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
It's just beyond belief. How what agony those poor people
went through. And this was entertainment. Now, the settlers certainly
did their share of scalping and murder and brutality and
weapons and war, but they did not torture.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
That way and prolonged agony.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, that you have to go farther back into European culture, like.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
You the Inquisition.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Yeah, then you find the same kinds of torture going on,
but not not in this country, not with the settlers.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
So did the native tribes cooperate together. You mentioned the
two the Shawnee and the.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Shawnee and the Miami, and then you had the Ottawas
from Michigan. You had all kinds of tribes all over
the Pottawatamie, they all of the over the Midwest. They
formed a giant confederation.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Because oftentimes they fought amongst themselves.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Right and these confederations were hard to keep together. But
the British were behind the scenes engineering all this. They're
providing the knives and the muskets and the and the encouragement,
the promises that if you if you can keep torturing
and capturing and killing these settlers, then you're going to
keep this land. Well actual, the British always planned to

(39:43):
take the land for themselves.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, so at one point.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Or another they would have turned on the Indian tribes anyway.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Sounds a little bit like we were trying to do
in Afghanistan on the various sheiks and local tribal leaders,
getting them to you know, cooperate with us and trying
to get them to cooperate with each other. Yeah, that
didn't work out too well.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
And what's going on in Israel today with Iran using
Hamas as their proxy. That's the way the British used
these tribes. These tribes were already motivated to kill. This
was their land. They considered Ohio as their sacred land.
So it was that's why it was more dangerous than Kentucky,
which was kind of an open hunting ground for all tribes.

(40:20):
Now there are a lot of depredations in Kentucky. Don't
get me wrong, it was a very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Place to be.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
But by by going into Ohio that was like the
line you shall not cross. And when we did move
into Ohio, and the funny thing about that is to
get that area settled. They told the veterans of the
Revolutionary War who had defeated Great Britain, we can't pay you.
The Treasury's broke, but we will give you land in

(40:49):
Ohio and good luck settling it. Yeah, be careful, build
a fort. First, you fought a war.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Now you're in for the battle of your lives.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Let's take a break. We'll do the top of our news.
We'll bring Peter Bronson back since Brake part is not
on today, but we will hear from Daniel Davis for
the deep dive at eight thirty Ukraine, Russia and what
was a little bit of a breakdown at the Oval Office.
Daniel Davis take on that at eight thirty be right back.

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happy toesday Tea about on the hour Daniel Davis deep
dive on the well spiraling out of control situation with
Ukraine Russia and the Oval Office which is cut off
funding to Ukraine. I guess most recent development couldn't see
that common given the seemingly callous attitude of the President
vladimirl Zelenski when he was in the Oval Office, maybe

(42:03):
predicated by some suggestions from Democrats going on ahead of
the meeting that he present a hard line and in
front of Donald Trump and JD. Vance and maybe for
a comment, a useful comment or thought on that. The
incomparable brilliant Peter Bronson remains in the studio and we
were talking about this off air, and I thought, you
know what, why not just go ahead and engage in

(42:24):
this conversation on air. Sure, sure they can't you created,
I think no one believes they can win, No nobody
with any credibility.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
No even the State Department, although they covered it up
and concealed it.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
From us.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
They had way back at the beginning of this whole,
this whole battle, they had a report that they did
that said, quote, this situation in Ukraine is a catastrophe
that can only result in a prolonged, unwinnable.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
War, and we are prolonging it. And the consequence of
our prolonging it by fighting this proxy war by arming
them is the casualty count has just gone through the roof,
and ye don't have enough young people to go and
fight the wars anymore.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
And for what for what?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
What is you have to really ask what is the
motive of these administrations like Biden to go on telling
us that this is going to be when we're going
to win, that we're going to be there as long
as it takes. Why what is the possible reason for
us to keep pouring all this this money and treasure
and weapons that are in turn being sold on the

(43:33):
black market back to our enemies in Central America? What
the heck is going on? We've been lied to so
much it's it's really hard to unravel at.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
All it is. And then one of the fun facts
you pointed out, and something that fell was not on
my radar, And I know a lot of the things
that are coming out with DOJE and USAID and all
the ridiculous millions and billions of dollars that they threw
at every stupid cause out there. You said that they
were funding Ukrainian media.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Absolutely, like ninety percent of Ukrainian media was taken money
from USAID, which was a covert arm of our State
Department under the Biden administration. Yes, CIA, if if you
say you're from the State Department, you really mean you
with the CIA exactly. Only the difference is the CIA

(44:21):
has to get a presidential finding to do something really ugly,
and at least the president knows USAID didn't require that.
They can do whatever the CIA wants to do but
can't do. And they were manipulating the news in the
media in Ukraine, coming up with these really ridiculous hoax
stories about the ghost ace that was downing all these

(44:43):
Russian meigs and it turned out to be a bunch
of video from a flight simulator. I mean it was,
It's just crazy stuff. And this was funded by our
State Department to send these lives through you can launder
them through Ukrainian media and then funnel them back into
our media, which just swallows the hook line and sinker
because they're all on board for this unwinnable war.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well, and I guess part of me really is has
been I've been asking this question out loud for a
long time once and I understand the the seemingly existential
threat that the Soviet Union we faced. The Soviet Union,
obviously they had a lot of nuclear weapons. Obviously they
had aspirations and designs to spread their communist philosophy around

(45:26):
the World's the reason we got into Vietnam, which of
course we all know how that worked out. And of
course the East German countries after FDR sold them out
at Yalta, they were right up against our partners in Europe.
So I understand that that sort of again existential threat.
Oh my god, the Russians are going to roll in
and take over Europe. So but with the fall of

(45:48):
the Iron Curtain and the collapse of the Soviet Union's economy,
why didn't we use that as an opportunity to open
the channels and work cooperatively with them, and with them
they have things that we want. We know that we
have things that they want. Help curtain felt because they
wanted blue jeans for God's sake.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah, it's it's crazy, isn't it. You have to ask
these questions, why why are we being manipulated to choose
that Russia is now our major enemy when actually the
enemy that we face, the real exits, existential threat to
our power and freedom.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Is China. Absolutely clearly, there's no doubt.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
And yet we keep getting this bait and switched this Uh,
don't pay attention here, watch the squirrel over here, because
we got something going on with Russia. And it seems
to me, if I recall correctly, it was Hillary Clinton
that was pushing the reset button, wanted to cozy up.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
That's resurfaced of late. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, And and now all of a sudden, as soon
as we get a Republican an office, suddenly we had
to start this Russia hoax, which was to also it
had a dual purpose, which is to destroy and remove
a president that was the deep state didn't like and
also demonized RUSSI create a new enemy.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Right, so Putin becomes the bad guy, and with that
I acknowledge he is not, in any way, shape or
form a great guy. He has murdered people. He's a dictator, autocrat,
whatever you want to call him. Yeah, but we pick
and choose which sins to overlook, given whichever nation we're
talking about. Yeah, and we've been obviously trading heavily with

(47:22):
China since the Nixon administration.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah, talk about killing people, putting them in prison for
their religious beliefs or they're yeah, whatever reason. How about Zelenski,
he's a dictator. Yeah, he's not had a free election
in his country. He's suppressed the media, he's manipulated the media.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
He's he's had people arrested. He's he's a dictator.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
And he's also called off elections, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Called off elections.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
And the corruption over there, there's a reason Ukraine was
known widely as the most corrupt country on earth for
many years before any of this arose.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
So, I mean, just look at.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
That, and that did not evaporate when Russia invaded the territory.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
I think what we're going to find out eventually, if
we ever do unpeel this onion, is that this has
been a money laundering spot for powerful people in this
country for many, many years. They've been able to push
money through Ukraine that actually winds up.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Excuse me, back in Washington, DC.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
In fact, something like seventy percent of it, and even
it doesn't even go to Ukraine, it goes to DC lobbyists.
It's just crazy how this has been used to prop
up and make people fabulously wealthy and powerful, which is
supposedly our money that we're spending to help Ukraine well.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
And that's the other thing that sort of Doughe has uncovered,
moving away from just money that flowed into Ukraine in
the nefarious ways and mechanisms have been used to well
sort of fundline people's pockets when they issue one of
these grants or one of these funding studies or one
of these sesame street projects. Now here's a check. No

(49:00):
one follows that money to see if whatever ridiculous or
even arguably great cause that that work is being accomplished
or done.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
No accountability, none, no audit to see where the money went.
You got people in Ukraine running around with big bags money.
We don't know where that's going, but we know it's
not where we're going where we intended it to go.
What is I mean this is just basically a huge
money laundering scheme. You're enriching the defense contractors because they

(49:33):
can ship all these weapons over there and then we
have to make new ones, and you're enriching political people.
I think we're going to find what Elon Musk said
the other day that with his Doze research, he's seeing
that seventy five percent of the fraud money, the abuse money,
is going to Democrats. He said, twenty five percent is

(49:54):
going to Republicans, so that they'll keep their mouth shut.
But that's how bad it is.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
You know, in all of this and one of the
other conversations we had off air, when did the Democrats
become the party of war?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Isn't it strange? It's just because, I mean, the Republicans
seem to be largely against this. I know the Trump
administration is against this ongoing. He wants to end the conflict.
He wants the Blot lives. I get all that, the
motivations behind it, the futility of the process anyway, But
the Democrats are now embracing war. They fought against Bush
when he invaded Iraq. They fought against the Vieta for

(50:31):
oil Vietnam. They were against Reagan and his efforts visa
visa Central America, Central America.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Sandinista's all of that always anti war. Remember, since she
used to follow Bush around everywhere, and she was like
the media darling. She was on the front pages of
just about every paper in the country and on the
on the news constantly protesting the blood for oil war
in Iraq.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, I don't know what's happened. It's like bizarre world.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
It really in the Superman comics, because one day the
Democrats are the anti war party, and the next time
you turn around they are completely sold out in support
of this forever war. They're even I'm sure they spun
up Zelenski before he met with Trump and told him
to blow up the deal.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Well, a lot of people are suggesting that because he
did meet with a bunch of Democrats ahead of that
meeting on Friday, that kind of fell apart. Yeah, well,
one more with Peter Bronson before we get to Daniel
Davis at the bottom. And they are really enjoying this, Peter,
and I hope my listening on me too.

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he's got a fascinating outlook and input and insight. Being
a retired lieutenant colonel, I have thoroughly enjoyed my time
here with Peter Bronson, author, former editor of The enquire
I mean, his resume is really long, but I like

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to focus on the books, and again the book that
he will be talking about coming up on Thursday at
the Empower You Seminar. Go to empower you America dot
org to get signed up. The excuse me, Peter promised
land how the Midwest was one just going back to that,
I wanted to just ask you about. I think another

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guy that you brought up last time you were here,
is this character Mad Anthony Wayne.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Oh yeah, talk about a superhero. That guy is something.
He was an amazing He got the nickname Mad Anthony
because he led a charge straight up a cliff and
he wouldn't even let his men load their their us gets.
He said, we're just gonna use bayonets because they're they're
so much more terrifying to the British. During the Revolutionary War,

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he led this charge at Stony Point in New York,
straight up a cliff side at midnight and took the
British position, cannons included, and turned the cannons on the British.
And this was he was like George Washington's go to
guy for the really toughest special ops like that one.

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And then in peacetime, the guy was just a total wreck.
He was a drunk, he was cheating on his wife publicly.
He was kicked out of Congress for voter fraud, he
was in debt.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
He was just a scoundrel, a total mess.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
And uh wartime, huh no, he could not handle peacetime
and when when Washington saw these first two expeditions against
the Indian Confederation failed so miserably, he finally turned to
mad Anthony and he persuaded Congress after many, many months
of expending his political capital to form a standing army

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to help him save the Northwest Territory. And if not
for that Washington doing what he did and selecting matt
Anthony Wayne, because Wayne was the guy who went up
through all the way through Ohio building forts to help
his supply chain and make sure he could get to
the Battle of Fallen Timbers with all the supplies and

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men and no desertions and tough and ready. And he did,
and he just just totally destroyed the Indian Confederation, made
them run back to a British fort. The British saw
them in retreat and closed the doors of the fort
after promising the Indians that they would let him in.
That destroyed the alliance with the British and Mad Anthony Wayne.

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Then he'd be in such a I mean, he was
just a tough guy. He gets on his horse then
and rides right under the stockade at the British fort
with all these rifles at his back, and dares them
just dares them to shoot me and start another war
with the colonies, and the commander yeah, and the commander
the British fort sos, well, Hey, that decision is way

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above my paid grade.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I can't do it. So guess what.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Within a matter of weeks, the British had packed up
and moved out of that fort and left the Northwest
Territory for good. And that's when the Northwest Territory became
free to settle.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
All about that? Now? Is this after his post revolutionary
war declined? Yes, he was by becoming again a leader
of a of troops and a combatant. Did that turn
his life around or something?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
It did?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Accept that he was then used as a peace emissary.
And there's a really interesting subplot in this story about
his number two commander who was a spy for Spain
and nobody knew it at the time, and this guy
was undermining Anthony Wayne and tried to kill him on
this campaign. He cut a tree down and had it

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fall on his tent and nearly killed him and did
cripple him for a while. And it's pretty clear from
the evidence, and there's a lot of people that will
support this that he was poisoned by this man, his
second in command, right after that battle at Fallen Timbers,
and that he was then died of poisoning what appears

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to be the symptoms of poisoning.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Hold on his way.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Back to Philadelphia to his home.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Just scratching the surface with author and friend Peter Bronson,
promised Land how the Midwest was one A strongly encourage
you folks that are going to show over the empower
You summonar on Thursday, get a copy of the book.
He's going to have him there signed copies. But then again,
I would encourage you to get any of the books
he's written. Just fantastic, well written and really well researched,
Our Town Forbidden Fruit, which I think you know, I

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don't have to play favorites, but I just those were
such easy reads. I just really couldn't put him down.
So it's all there. Fifty five KRC dot com is
linked to the Empower You sum on our page. You
can go on Amazon search for Peter Bronson, or better
go to his publishing site, which is chilidogpress dot COM's
You can get his books there. But also if you're
a budding writer and you're interested in maybe getting something published.

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He is the man to talk to. Peter Bronson, thank
you so much for your.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Time, pleasure, thank you for your kind words, and always
a pleasure to be here with you.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Brian. I feel the exact same way when you're around,
my friend. I'll look forward to having another conversation with you,
hopefully sooner rather than later. Folks, stick around Daniel Davis
Deep Dive coming up next. We'll talk about the state
of Ukraine, Russia and the relations with the Oval Office
which seem a bit strained. Right back after these brief words.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Fifty five KARC.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
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