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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey thirty on a Friday, and a happy one to you,
Brian Thomas. Always looking forward to this time of the week.
We get Jack Windsor from the hot Press Network find
him online obviously the Ohio presnetwork dot com, where he
writes about state issues and other topics related national issues
as well. Of course, does some great investigative reporting himself,
and is willing to come onto the program and talk
about all these things, including we're going to get in
(00:22):
the next segment medicaid fraud. But welcome back, Jack Windsor.
Appreciate you coming on the show. Happy Friday, you sir.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Happy Friday. Great to be here with you and Joe
and the listeners. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I see you got the same poll that I did,
the Fox News survey, which says we got a little
concern Canary and the coal mine kind of stuff going
on here in the state of Ohio. The most concerning
element of the poll from Fox News was the VvE
Gramaswammy and Amy acton or Neck and Neck Amy lockdown
(00:54):
acting actually has fans out there in the world. Why
Jack Windsor, let's break this down.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, So I don't have any great answers on that,
but I've been talking about it a lot and thinking
about it a lot. I had a good conversation yesterday
with a man in Columbus. His name's Bob Clegig. He's
a long time GOP strategist, and he is curious about
the poll. He said, Yeah, I need to see the
cross tabs. I'm not sure who they surveyed. But look,
(01:23):
I'm gonna make no bones about it. It's going to
be a tighter race than Republicans want it to be.
But acting is up fifty to forty nine, so basically
a statistical tie within the margin of error. But man,
the thing that baffles me, Brian just probably the same
thing that baffles you. The woman was wrong on everything
(01:44):
with respect to COVID. But here's what concerns me. You
probably get this on your program. There are still people
who believe that masking works and six feet of social
distance was scientific, and so you know, I attribute a
little bit of that to ignorant, full brainwashing. Yeah, pearance, yeah, yeah,
the press and whatnot. But here's the thing. The other
(02:04):
thing that's interesting to me that Bob mentioned yesterday that
kind of set my sights in a different direction. He said,
think about what you're doing right now. You know a
lot of families are getting kids out of school, They're
worried about summer camps. He goes, I don't think a
lot of people are really thinking that much about this race.
I'm curious who they sampled. Nonetheless, I think it should
still be a red flag and alarm for the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, and the other thing that really concerns me, and
I am praying to God that this is not true,
that vivig Ramaswami being Hindu is a problem for people.
And every time someone suggests that, and I have heard
that out loud, my response is, we don't live in
a theocracy. He can't make you worship any religion. And
what is the fact he's Hindu have anything to do
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with it. Look at his demonstrable success as a businessman,
an employer of thousands of people, a giver back of
his intellect to the entire world, let alone Ohio and
the greater Cincinnati community. He went to Xavier University where
he got a quality education. He's all about school choice,
He's all about the right things, every single top ten
Republican issue that everyone's clamoring for. He is right there
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on board. So what's wrong with the man?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, it's interesting there is not as much unity
in the Republican Party, whether it's around Houston or around
Ramaswami as there is in the Democrat Party. And so
that's part of the issue. You know, the other part
of the issue too. I think we've talked about this,
but it's important to mention again. You know, there was
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a competitor that he had in that primary, Casey Putsch,
and you know, you only got about twelve percent of
the vote, but that's twelve percent of the vote. And
what he's also done since then, as he's maintained an audience,
this this Puitsch candidate, and many of the people I
pay attention to what they're saying online. Lots of them say, eh,
I don't like acting, but I'm not voting for Ramaswami.
(03:58):
And I think therein is the concern. These races are
gonna come down to turnout, turnout, and you know, if
a hefty portion, say ten percent of the Republican electorate
decides to sit on their hands, man, that's a tough
thing to overcome. Even if you even you know, in
an R plus five or six state and by the way,
what Fox wants us to believe is that Trump is
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dragging both of these candidates down. They're citing an unbelievable
twenty point turnaround from twenty twenty four in Trump's favorability.
I don't know that I believe that maybe a little bit.
But when push comes to shove, I'm curious what you think, Brian,
when a voter goes to the polls in November, I
have a hard time believing they're going to vote for
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the incompetence of Amy Acting over Vivek Ramaswami or stay home.
I don't know. I could be wrong on that.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, I am hoping the same thing, and I personally
could never imagine that, because that's not a thought that
even enter my mind. Jack windsor We're gonna continue with
Jack because I want to address the I don't like
Amy Acting, but I don't like Vivi Ramaswami. Plus will
deal a little bit more with the Trump effect, because
that seems to have dominated that particular poll. In a
lot of other areas that are little concerning, we can
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see some of the ones that Jack has concerns about
as well. That's eight thirty five, right, now don't go away,
be right back. Fifty five KRC.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
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Speaker 1 (05:18):
A thirty eight fifty five KRCD talk station. Find him online,
book Mark the site the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. You
get the collection of articles and information so important they
are from Jack Winsor plus the stuff Jack has taken
care of and the Ohio Press Network staff and props
to them sticking with the Fox poll. And you know, honestly, Jack,
I do appreciate you're putting a little bit of sensibility
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about how we should really take it, because a lot
of my listening audience is lust faith in faith in
literally every poll, they don't believe any of them. So
it's nice to get like a real clear politics average
of all the polls. So anyhow, we're all on the
same page on that jaundice. I have suspicion always, but
I have to first ask you on this Trump effect
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that filtered through all these The answer to the question
when you say something like I don't like online, I
don't like Amy Actin, but I don't like vivig Ramaswami,
so I'm not going to vote for him. Does anybody
explain why they don't like Vivi Ramaswami. If they're I'm
presuming these people are otherwise conservative or maybe little el
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libertarian guys like me.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But why Yeah, great question. So I do want to
point out as part of my answer to this question,
acting support is double what Ramaswami's support is with that factor,
meaning twice as many people, almost a full forty percent
said they supported Acting because they didn't like Ramaswami. And
I think Ramaswami's votes twenty one percent of them where
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I don't like Acting. So there is something there. You know,
It's really intriguing to me. I've heard everything from look
at how he talks. He talks just like Obama, to well,
you know he's a billionaire, but he created this pump
and dump scheme where he created value in a company
or got a high IPO and then sold his shares.
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Did he really bring value to the marketplace? And it's
a lot of it. Frankly, I get tired of it.
It's a lot of nitpicking. And I've started throwing the
example out there of well, explain to me the difference then,
between say a Warren Buffett and if Avike Ramaswami. Because
we praise Warren Buffett like the greatest value investor of
all time. But if a viake Ramaswami buys something low
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and sells it high somehow, it's a pump and dump scheme.
It's really kind of a class warfare thing that has
seeped into maybe the moderate wing of the Republican Party.
I'll never get that. I just assume that if somebody
has made billions of dollars, there's probably a lot of
wisdom there and we might be able to learn something
from them, and they might be qualified to run a
state if they've run companies. But look, let's make no
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mistake about it. I'm going to say it again. You
hinted at it earlier. There's just some bigotry attached to it.
Brown skin, funny last name, not a Christian. And I
think the left is probably going to do their level
best to make sure that the Republican voters and the
independents who might lean conservative really understand those points. And
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to me, that's a little bit disturbing and disgusting, but
I think it factors in well.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And see that's exactly why I bring it up, because
I've talked about that quite a few times since vig Romson.
He got the nomination even before because he is so
impressive and so successful. He's made billions of dollars because
he made sound business decisions. And sometimes those might run
contrary to someone's personal belief about any given subset of
(08:35):
Oh that's not right, outsource this or whatever. But the
point is the point of being in business is to
maximize your own personal value and hopefully, if you make it,
make it to that level, you create jobs and opportunities
for other people. I'm a W two employee. Thank god
for folks like that. Jack or I would never had
a job he's given by you.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Would You would think people would would wake up to
that number one. Successful people create jobs and number two.
I used to say this all the time in a
past life when I would coach businesses as a strategist.
You know, I would say, show me your browsing history,
show me your refrigerator, and show me your checkbook. I'll
tell you what you value. I don't care what you
tell me. And that's the bottom line. Like some of
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these people are like, well he outsources or he does this? Really?
Do you buy from Timu? Do you buy the products
of China? Dumps On the market at the dollar store,
and the reality is sometimes we try to accuse other
people for the habits that we hide.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well, the whole racial thing really is concerning to me,
since everybody runs around and they accuse us everyone of
being racist. And then you know, this might add some
fuel to the fire. Oh, you don't like vv. Ramaswam
because the color of his skin proving what we over
here on the left have been saying for years and years.
But that doesn't translate for the left pushing for you
to vote REVV. Ramaswam because he stands in polar opposition
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to everything that they're wanting.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So any other.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Statistics in that Fox poll, despite what we've got by
way of qualifier, that jump that jumped out at you, Jack.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, the eight point lead for Shared Brown over John
Hustead was stunning. Yep. To me, I don't know that
Shared Brown's ever been over fifty percent. The way I've
viewed him for the past elect a few election cycles,
his brand is known, he's a known entity, his name
recognition is through the roof, and his favorability is usually
a little bit negative. But it turns out his favorability
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is better than Housteed's is what the poll says, and
that he's up eight. Now part of that is and
you go, well, why is he up eight and why
is Vivik only down one? Because there's crossover. There are
people who are saying they're going to support Ramaswami but
then gonna vote for Shared Brown. And then you go, okay,
is that that Mahoning Valley area where sometimes Trump carries
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the vote but other people like a Shared Brown end
up getting the vote. But what's curious about that? To me?
I have to point this out. I don't ever envision
somebody saying, yeah, I'm gonna vote for Vivike Ramaswami, who's
a guy that's a billionaires, has carved his way in life,
and then turn around and say, well, I'm gonna vote
for Shared Brown, who's further working man and hates rich people.
(11:04):
You know, Like, that's a weird combination to me. So
something in that number is just off.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, and I gain I got a sense that off
feeling that you got from reading the polling number as
well going through all of it, scratching my head. In
a really a strong red state, one that went overwhelmingly
in favor of Trump, and I can acknowledge Trump's support
has been eroded a little bit. He's done some things
that haven't been too helpful to his self and other
(11:32):
Republican campaigns, but he is kind of who he is.
But that that really would rub off what your feeling
is about Donald Trump would run awe or rub into
anything with regard to a state election, a state issue.
I just don't really quite believe that, as you pointed
out earlier, Jack can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, it's hard to believe. But you know, here's the thing.
Iran is unpopular, yes, as we see by what the
US House did, and let's face it, I think many
people thought Trump's going to fix the economy right wrong
or indifferent, And inflation is still a little bit of
an issue. It's not where it was under Biden. But
people pull to the gas pump and whether it's four
dollars and ten cents or four dollars and ninety five cents,
they go, that's a lot. And groceries are kind of high.
(12:12):
And so I think that's the other part that both
candidates are carrying. And make no mistake about it, midterm
elections oftentimes are a referendum against the party in power
at the White House. And so you know, the Republican
candidates here in Ohio are carrying all of that right now,
and I think that certainly does drag down whether it
be their favorability or support this far out.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well on the gas prices. I always have to point
this out, Jack windsor at least the gas prices might
be up because of the closure of the straight aboard
moves as as a result of military action that will
stop at some point. I think we can all rest
assured no one in the globe is going to keep
that shut down, most notably the Iranian So someday it's
going to flow and the gas price will go down. Accordingly,
if you vote for the other side because of the
(12:53):
current gas prices, you are voting for global warming. And
where they say the price of gasoline will necessarily go up,
not because of market factors, but because their legislation and
their edicts and mandates deprive us of something that could
otherwise be cheaper. Check out what the gas prices used
to be. Thank you to Obama and Biden himself, right.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Hey, you know they Joe Biden sent a very clear
signal to the oil and gas industry. If you remember
his first week, what did he do? They stopped construction
of the Keystone pipeline and they announced that they were
not going to harvest oil or on a federal land.
I mean that tells the market right there, we're not
interested in what they call the fossil fuels. That's exactly
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what you'd go back to. And I go to your point.
If you think it's bad, now, imagine you know, a
pissed off Iran and having to deal with an administration
that does not want oil and gas. They want electricity.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Enshrined in law those policies. That is frightening Jack Windsor,
which is to me the wake up call, the sort
of b slap on the face to anybody who might
cross party lines because they're angry about the price of
the pump. More with Jack wins are going to pivot
over Ohio's on the map, and for all the wrong reasons.
Hey let's join Minnesota. We got fraud here. Could anything
have been done about it? We got medicaid fraud to
talk about with the Ohio press networks. Jack Winsor Okaway
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fifty five KRC, the Great American ner from my the
talk station Ay forty nine and fifty five KRC detalk station.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's Friday off.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Next week you recover from my chemo. Thank you to
Dan Carroll Monday through Wednesday and Gary Jeff Walker Thursday
and Friday. In the meantime, the ahigh pressnetwork dot Com
where you find Jack winsor and all the reporting there.
Jack wins are pivoting back over to a really really
dark staying on the state of Ohio our failure to
follow up on these medicaid dollars. It seems to me
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to be we had plenty of evidence. There was like
I will call it Shenanigans going on, Like when you
have forty seven medicare related providers in one at one address,
You've got envelopes that are dusty from having been sat
outside the office doors of these places. It just seems
to me, in terms of that one fact that someone
should have looked into it when all of these providers
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purported providers showed up at one address. But there's so
much more than that. Jack, Where are we on this?
I guess we're seeing more and more prosecutions or at
least plans to prosecute.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, so the heavy hitters were in town yesterday Brian
Acting AG, Todd Blanche, FBI Director Cash Pateel, CMS Boss
mem and Oz and then of course the statewides AG Daveost,
Auditor Faber, Secretary of State La Rose, Treasurer Sprague, and
they announced it a major initiative positioning Ohio as a
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national model for their anti fraud efforts and three big things,
and then we might be able to discuss how we
got here. But they announced indictments and charges, fourteen defendants
being charged in schemes totally about fifty million dollars focused
on Medicaid and healthcare fraud, home health, behavioral health, autism programs.
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There's still some COVID relief scams that they've uncovered, something
they've called Operation Playground Therapy. Now, there were two state
employees that were implicated. We're doing our research on that.
My understanding is that they were with the Ohio Department
of Job and Family Services, which is, you know, the
apparatus that helps dole out those Medicaid dollars. So I'll
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have more on that later. They've stood up some new structures.
There's a new fraud division, the State Partnership round Table,
a formalized Southern District of Ohio Fraud Task Force. Now
the data sharing agreement, this makes sense to me. Don't
know why we didn't do it before. Frank LeRose is
providing corporate registrant data to link shell companies, clinics, labs, billers,
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the whole nine yards. They suspended forty nine high risk
home health care providers and ongoing payment suspensions. Of course,
regarding that prior state moratorium on new providers, that's caused
a little bit of backlash. I don't know if you've
heard any of that from your listeners, Brian, but some
folks are concerned that this whole health moratorium might cause
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a say, a parent who's taking care of a child
with als, to not get the financial support that they
otherwise got. So we're we're going to be on top
of that today. We're looking into that. But you know,
we probably should continue the conversation either now or at
some point about how the hell did we get here
at Ohio's a red state, and that's what the mainstream
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press is satisfied with. They stop at, Oh, there's really
no fraud. Oh there's fraud. Well, Republicans were in control.
Republican problem and it's way more complex than that.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, the shutting down the electronic verification system to make
sure people actually are where they say they were, and
getting reimbursements for the alleged services that apparently weren't being performed.
Who's the idiot who shut that off? Jack Windsor, I
had so I crazy day yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I talked with Faber, I talked with Yost, I talked
with Mike de Villa, who has done God's work on
this at the state House as a representative. And I
talked to doctor Memdoz yesterday. And one of the things
that stood out to me was my conversation with Dave Jos.
We talked exactly about EVV I said, how the hell
did that happen? And he said, you know, we uncovered
that years ago, he said, when I was auditor. We
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thought we fixed it. He goes, the interesting part that
you need to look at now is there's nobody stepping
forward going yeah, I decided that we were going to
make sure that was turned off. He said, that's not
what's happening. Everybody has a hand over the mouth looking
around so they know that it's wrong. And he goes,
I want to know who did it. I'm really not
happy about it. So there's that question. The other part
that's interesting. We have to remember is that this is
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a federal and state program. Medicare or Medicaid. Dollars that
flow through Ohio sixty five percent are federal, Yeah, thirty
five percent or Ohio. And so when you want oversight,
when you want prosecution, when you want to do something differently,
you have to get a waiver at the federal level,
and then you got to make sure people at the
state level are carrying out whatever that waiver, you know, waived.
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And so the problem that nobody's really talking about other
than you and me is that this is a bureaucracy
issue more than it is a red state or blue
date issue. Now, the red states seem more intent on
fixing the loopholes and solving the problems and prosecuting the fraudsters,
where blue states like California in New York would rather
prosecute the people that are uncovering the fraud than the fraudsters.
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And so it's a huge bureaucratic issue that they're going
to have to get their arms around and change.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well, you know what I'm going to say, I'm going
to cry foul on this idea that well, we looked
at it and we didn't know that it had been
turned off or whatever. Wait a minute, the electronic verification
information wasn't coming in the absence of that document, and
supporting information wasn't there. So how could you have going
gone along with this blind belief that the system was
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still working as it was required by federal law.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, and here's the kicker to that. Faber and I
have talked previously. He sought more information to do deeper
audits and he hit a roadblock with the Department of Medicaid.
In fact, right now, your listeners need to the state
Representative Josh Williams has been trying to investigate the Department
of Children in Youth. There are about one hundred, I
(20:06):
want to say one hundred and sixty seven instances where
things were flagged. He's sent a record get this a
Lawmaker Center record request to the Department of Children in
Youth and said I need to see those cases. They
won't give them to him. That's what you're up against.
So when I look at that and I go, what
are we doing? You have one hand not talking to
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the other where tax dollars are involved, and that's a
huge issue. They're going to have to solve it. Well.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We will definitely readdress that issue down the road, Jack
Windsor again. Next Friday, I will not be here to
have our conversation. I'll miss it. We'll look. I will
look to talk to you in two weeks when I'm
back from my recovery and I keep I thank you
for all the work you're doing, Jack, And it's a
real pleasure talking with you and breaking these issues down
in the morning show for my listeners and me.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Hey, I love it. It's an honor. It's a pleasure.
Always great to talk with you, Joe and the listeners.
Hey be well, okay, thanks well man, I appreciate
Hey thirty on a Friday, and a happy one to you,
Brian Thomas. Always looking forward to this time of the week.
We get Jack Windsor from the hot Press Network find
him online obviously the Ohio presnetwork dot com, where he
writes about state issues and other topics related national issues
as well. Of course, does some great investigative reporting himself,
and is willing to come onto the program and talk
about all these things, including we're going to get in
(00:22):
the next segment medicaid fraud. But welcome back, Jack Windsor.
Appreciate you coming on the show. Happy Friday, you sir.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Happy Friday. Great to be here with you and Joe
and the listeners. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Well, I see you got the same poll that I did,
the Fox News survey, which says we got a little
concern Canary and the coal mine kind of stuff going
on here in the state of Ohio. The most concerning
element of the poll from Fox News was the VvE
Gramaswammy and Amy acton or Neck and Neck Amy lockdown
(00:54):
acting actually has fans out there in the world. Why
Jack Windsor, let's break this down.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, So I don't have any great answers on that,
but I've been talking about it a lot and thinking
about it a lot. I had a good conversation yesterday
with a man in Columbus. His name's Bob Clegig. He's
a long time GOP strategist, and he is curious about
the poll. He said, Yeah, I need to see the
cross tabs. I'm not sure who they surveyed. But look,
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I'm gonna make no bones about it. It's going to
be a tighter race than Republicans want it to be.
But acting is up fifty to forty nine, so basically
a statistical tie within the margin of error. But man,
the thing that baffles me, Brian just probably the same
thing that baffles you. The woman was wrong on everything
(01:44):
with respect to COVID. But here's what concerns me. You
probably get this on your program. There are still people
who believe that masking works and six feet of social
distance was scientific, and so you know, I attribute a
little bit of that to ignorant, full brainwashing. Yeah, pearance, yeah, yeah,
the press and whatnot. But here's the thing. The other
(02:04):
thing that's interesting to me that Bob mentioned yesterday that
kind of set my sights in a different direction. He said,
think about what you're doing right now. You know a
lot of families are getting kids out of school, They're
worried about summer camps. He goes, I don't think a
lot of people are really thinking that much about this race.
I'm curious who they sampled. Nonetheless, I think it should
still be a red flag and alarm for the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, and the other thing that really concerns me, and
I am praying to God that this is not true,
that vivig Ramaswami being Hindu is a problem for people.
And every time someone suggests that, and I have heard
that out loud, my response is, we don't live in
a theocracy. He can't make you worship any religion. And
what is the fact he's Hindu have anything to do
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with it. Look at his demonstrable success as a businessman,
an employer of thousands of people, a giver back of
his intellect to the entire world, let alone Ohio and
the greater Cincinnati community. He went to Xavier University where
he got a quality education. He's all about school choice,
He's all about the right things, every single top ten
Republican issue that everyone's clamoring for. He is right there
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on board. So what's wrong with the man?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, it's interesting there is not as much unity
in the Republican Party, whether it's around Houston or around
Ramaswami as there is in the Democrat Party. And so
that's part of the issue. You know, the other part
of the issue too. I think we've talked about this,
but it's important to mention again. You know, there was
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a competitor that he had in that primary, Casey Putsch,
and you know, you only got about twelve percent of
the vote, but that's twelve percent of the vote. And
what he's also done since then, as he's maintained an audience,
this this Puitsch candidate, and many of the people I
pay attention to what they're saying online. Lots of them say, eh,
I don't like acting, but I'm not voting for Ramaswami.
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And I think therein is the concern. These races are
gonna come down to turnout, turnout, and you know, if
a hefty portion, say ten percent of the Republican electorate
decides to sit on their hands, man, that's a tough
thing to overcome. Even if you even you know, in
an R plus five or six state and by the way,
what Fox wants us to believe is that Trump is
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dragging both of these candidates down. They're citing an unbelievable
twenty point turnaround from twenty twenty four in Trump's favorability.
I don't know that I believe that maybe a little bit.
But when push comes to shove, I'm curious what you think, Brian,
when a voter goes to the polls in November, I
have a hard time believing they're going to vote for
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the incompetence of Amy Acting over Vivek Ramaswami or stay home.
I don't know. I could be wrong on that.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, I am hoping the same thing, and I personally
could never imagine that, because that's not a thought that
even enter my mind. Jack windsor We're gonna continue with
Jack because I want to address the I don't like
Amy Acting, but I don't like Vivi Ramaswami. Plus will
deal a little bit more with the Trump effect, because
that seems to have dominated that particular poll. In a
lot of other areas that are little concerning, we can
(05:07):
see some of the ones that Jack has concerns about
as well. That's eight thirty five, right, now don't go away,
be right back. Fifty five KRC.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Voters KRC the talk station.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
A thirty eight fifty five KRCD talk station. Find him online,
book Mark the site the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. You
get the collection of articles and information so important they
are from Jack Winsor plus the stuff Jack has taken
care of and the Ohio Press Network staff and props
to them sticking with the Fox poll. And you know, honestly, Jack,
I do appreciate you're putting a little bit of sensibility
(05:39):
about how we should really take it, because a lot
of my listening audience is lust faith in faith in
literally every poll, they don't believe any of them. So
it's nice to get like a real clear politics average
of all the polls. So anyhow, we're all on the
same page on that jaundice. I have suspicion always, but
I have to first ask you on this Trump effect
(06:00):
that filtered through all these The answer to the question
when you say something like I don't like online, I
don't like Amy Actin, but I don't like vivig Ramaswami,
so I'm not going to vote for him. Does anybody
explain why they don't like Vivi Ramaswami. If they're I'm
presuming these people are otherwise conservative or maybe little el
(06:22):
libertarian guys like me.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
But why Yeah, great question. So I do want to
point out as part of my answer to this question,
acting support is double what Ramaswami's support is with that factor,
meaning twice as many people, almost a full forty percent
said they supported Acting because they didn't like Ramaswami. And
I think Ramaswami's votes twenty one percent of them where
(06:45):
I don't like Acting. So there is something there. You know,
It's really intriguing to me. I've heard everything from look
at how he talks. He talks just like Obama, to well,
you know he's a billionaire, but he created this pump
and dump scheme where he created value in a company
or got a high IPO and then sold his shares.
(07:06):
Did he really bring value to the marketplace? And it's
a lot of it. Frankly, I get tired of it.
It's a lot of nitpicking. And I've started throwing the
example out there of well, explain to me the difference then,
between say a Warren Buffett and if Avike Ramaswami. Because
we praise Warren Buffett like the greatest value investor of
all time. But if a viake Ramaswami buys something low
(07:28):
and sells it high somehow, it's a pump and dump scheme.
It's really kind of a class warfare thing that has
seeped into maybe the moderate wing of the Republican Party.
I'll never get that. I just assume that if somebody
has made billions of dollars, there's probably a lot of
wisdom there and we might be able to learn something
from them, and they might be qualified to run a
state if they've run companies. But look, let's make no
(07:50):
mistake about it. I'm going to say it again. You
hinted at it earlier. There's just some bigotry attached to it.
Brown skin, funny last name, not a Christian. And I
think the left is probably going to do their level
best to make sure that the Republican voters and the
independents who might lean conservative really understand those points. And
(08:11):
to me, that's a little bit disturbing and disgusting, but
I think it factors in well.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And see that's exactly why I bring it up, because
I've talked about that quite a few times since vig Romson.
He got the nomination even before because he is so
impressive and so successful. He's made billions of dollars because
he made sound business decisions. And sometimes those might run
contrary to someone's personal belief about any given subset of
(08:35):
Oh that's not right, outsource this or whatever. But the
point is the point of being in business is to
maximize your own personal value and hopefully, if you make it,
make it to that level, you create jobs and opportunities
for other people. I'm a W two employee. Thank god
for folks like that. Jack or I would never had
a job he's given by you.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Would You would think people would would wake up to
that number one. Successful people create jobs and number two.
I used to say this all the time in a
past life when I would coach businesses as a strategist.
You know, I would say, show me your browsing history,
show me your refrigerator, and show me your checkbook. I'll
tell you what you value. I don't care what you
tell me. And that's the bottom line. Like some of
(09:14):
these people are like, well he outsources or he does this? Really?
Do you buy from Timu? Do you buy the products
of China? Dumps On the market at the dollar store,
and the reality is sometimes we try to accuse other
people for the habits that we hide.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well, the whole racial thing really is concerning to me,
since everybody runs around and they accuse us everyone of
being racist. And then you know, this might add some
fuel to the fire. Oh, you don't like vv. Ramaswam
because the color of his skin proving what we over
here on the left have been saying for years and years.
But that doesn't translate for the left pushing for you
to vote REVV. Ramaswam because he stands in polar opposition
(09:49):
to everything that they're wanting.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So any other.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Statistics in that Fox poll, despite what we've got by
way of qualifier, that jump that jumped out at you, Jack.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, the eight point lead for Shared Brown over John
Hustead was stunning. Yep. To me, I don't know that
Shared Brown's ever been over fifty percent. The way I've
viewed him for the past elect a few election cycles,
his brand is known, he's a known entity, his name
recognition is through the roof, and his favorability is usually
a little bit negative. But it turns out his favorability
(10:22):
is better than Housteed's is what the poll says, and
that he's up eight. Now part of that is and
you go, well, why is he up eight and why
is Vivik only down one? Because there's crossover. There are
people who are saying they're going to support Ramaswami but
then gonna vote for Shared Brown. And then you go, okay,
is that that Mahoning Valley area where sometimes Trump carries
(10:43):
the vote but other people like a Shared Brown end
up getting the vote. But what's curious about that? To me?
I have to point this out. I don't ever envision
somebody saying, yeah, I'm gonna vote for Vivike Ramaswami, who's
a guy that's a billionaires, has carved his way in life,
and then turn around and say, well, I'm gonna vote
for Shared Brown, who's further working man and hates rich people.
(11:04):
You know, Like, that's a weird combination to me. So
something in that number is just off.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, and I gain I got a sense that off
feeling that you got from reading the polling number as
well going through all of it, scratching my head. In
a really a strong red state, one that went overwhelmingly
in favor of Trump, and I can acknowledge Trump's support
has been eroded a little bit. He's done some things
that haven't been too helpful to his self and other
(11:32):
Republican campaigns, but he is kind of who he is.
But that that really would rub off what your feeling
is about Donald Trump would run awe or rub into
anything with regard to a state election, a state issue.
I just don't really quite believe that, as you pointed
out earlier, Jack can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Well, it's hard to believe. But you know, here's the thing.
Iran is unpopular, yes, as we see by what the
US House did, and let's face it, I think many
people thought Trump's going to fix the economy right wrong
or indifferent, And inflation is still a little bit of
an issue. It's not where it was under Biden. But
people pull to the gas pump and whether it's four
dollars and ten cents or four dollars and ninety five cents,
they go, that's a lot. And groceries are kind of high.
(12:12):
And so I think that's the other part that both
candidates are carrying. And make no mistake about it, midterm
elections oftentimes are a referendum against the party in power
at the White House. And so you know, the Republican
candidates here in Ohio are carrying all of that right now,
and I think that certainly does drag down whether it
be their favorability or support this far out.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well on the gas prices. I always have to point
this out, Jack windsor at least the gas prices might
be up because of the closure of the straight aboard
moves as as a result of military action that will
stop at some point. I think we can all rest
assured no one in the globe is going to keep
that shut down, most notably the Iranian So someday it's
going to flow and the gas price will go down. Accordingly,
if you vote for the other side because of the
(12:53):
current gas prices, you are voting for global warming. And
where they say the price of gasoline will necessarily go up,
not because of market factors, but because their legislation and
their edicts and mandates deprive us of something that could
otherwise be cheaper. Check out what the gas prices used
to be. Thank you to Obama and Biden himself, right.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Hey, you know they Joe Biden sent a very clear
signal to the oil and gas industry. If you remember
his first week, what did he do? They stopped construction
of the Keystone pipeline and they announced that they were
not going to harvest oil or on a federal land.
I mean that tells the market right there, we're not
interested in what they call the fossil fuels. That's exactly
(13:35):
what you'd go back to. And I go to your point.
If you think it's bad, now, imagine you know, a
pissed off Iran and having to deal with an administration
that does not want oil and gas. They want electricity.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Enshrined in law those policies. That is frightening Jack Windsor,
which is to me the wake up call, the sort
of b slap on the face to anybody who might
cross party lines because they're angry about the price of
the pump. More with Jack wins are going to pivot
over Ohio's on the map, and for all the wrong reasons.
Hey let's join Minnesota. We got fraud here. Could anything
have been done about it? We got medicaid fraud to
talk about with the Ohio press networks. Jack Winsor Okaway
(14:09):
fifty five KRC, the Great American ner from my the
talk station Ay forty nine and fifty five KRC detalk station.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It's Friday off.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Next week you recover from my chemo. Thank you to
Dan Carroll Monday through Wednesday and Gary Jeff Walker Thursday
and Friday. In the meantime, the ahigh pressnetwork dot Com
where you find Jack winsor and all the reporting there.
Jack wins are pivoting back over to a really really
dark staying on the state of Ohio our failure to
follow up on these medicaid dollars. It seems to me
(14:40):
to be we had plenty of evidence. There was like
I will call it Shenanigans going on, Like when you
have forty seven medicare related providers in one at one address,
You've got envelopes that are dusty from having been sat
outside the office doors of these places. It just seems
to me, in terms of that one fact that someone
should have looked into it when all of these providers
(15:02):
purported providers showed up at one address. But there's so
much more than that. Jack, Where are we on this?
I guess we're seeing more and more prosecutions or at
least plans to prosecute.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, so the heavy hitters were in town yesterday Brian
Acting AG, Todd Blanche, FBI Director Cash Pateel, CMS Boss
mem and Oz and then of course the statewides AG Daveost,
Auditor Faber, Secretary of State La Rose, Treasurer Sprague, and
they announced it a major initiative positioning Ohio as a
(15:34):
national model for their anti fraud efforts and three big things,
and then we might be able to discuss how we
got here. But they announced indictments and charges, fourteen defendants
being charged in schemes totally about fifty million dollars focused
on Medicaid and healthcare fraud, home health, behavioral health, autism programs.
(15:55):
There's still some COVID relief scams that they've uncovered, something
they've called Operation Playground Therapy. Now, there were two state
employees that were implicated. We're doing our research on that.
My understanding is that they were with the Ohio Department
of Job and Family Services, which is, you know, the
apparatus that helps dole out those Medicaid dollars. So I'll
(16:18):
have more on that later. They've stood up some new structures.
There's a new fraud division, the State Partnership round Table,
a formalized Southern District of Ohio Fraud Task Force. Now
the data sharing agreement, this makes sense to me. Don't
know why we didn't do it before. Frank LeRose is
providing corporate registrant data to link shell companies, clinics, labs, billers,
(16:39):
the whole nine yards. They suspended forty nine high risk
home health care providers and ongoing payment suspensions. Of course,
regarding that prior state moratorium on new providers, that's caused
a little bit of backlash. I don't know if you've
heard any of that from your listeners, Brian, but some
folks are concerned that this whole health moratorium might cause
(17:02):
a say, a parent who's taking care of a child
with als, to not get the financial support that they
otherwise got. So we're we're going to be on top
of that today. We're looking into that. But you know,
we probably should continue the conversation either now or at
some point about how the hell did we get here
at Ohio's a red state, and that's what the mainstream
(17:22):
press is satisfied with. They stop at, Oh, there's really
no fraud. Oh there's fraud. Well, Republicans were in control.
Republican problem and it's way more complex than that.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Well, the shutting down the electronic verification system to make
sure people actually are where they say they were, and
getting reimbursements for the alleged services that apparently weren't being performed.
Who's the idiot who shut that off? Jack Windsor, I
had so I crazy day yesterday.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I talked with Faber, I talked with Yost, I talked
with Mike de Villa, who has done God's work on
this at the state House as a representative. And I
talked to doctor Memdoz yesterday. And one of the things
that stood out to me was my conversation with Dave Jos.
We talked exactly about EVV I said, how the hell
did that happen? And he said, you know, we uncovered
that years ago, he said, when I was auditor. We
(18:09):
thought we fixed it. He goes, the interesting part that
you need to look at now is there's nobody stepping
forward going yeah, I decided that we were going to
make sure that was turned off. He said, that's not
what's happening. Everybody has a hand over the mouth looking
around so they know that it's wrong. And he goes,
I want to know who did it. I'm really not
happy about it. So there's that question. The other part
that's interesting. We have to remember is that this is
(18:31):
a federal and state program. Medicare or Medicaid. Dollars that
flow through Ohio sixty five percent are federal, Yeah, thirty
five percent or Ohio. And so when you want oversight,
when you want prosecution, when you want to do something differently,
you have to get a waiver at the federal level,
and then you got to make sure people at the
state level are carrying out whatever that waiver, you know, waived.
(18:52):
And so the problem that nobody's really talking about other
than you and me is that this is a bureaucracy
issue more than it is a red state or blue
date issue. Now, the red states seem more intent on
fixing the loopholes and solving the problems and prosecuting the fraudsters,
where blue states like California in New York would rather
prosecute the people that are uncovering the fraud than the fraudsters.
(19:15):
And so it's a huge bureaucratic issue that they're going
to have to get their arms around and change.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Well, you know what I'm going to say, I'm going
to cry foul on this idea that well, we looked
at it and we didn't know that it had been
turned off or whatever. Wait a minute, the electronic verification
information wasn't coming in the absence of that document, and
supporting information wasn't there. So how could you have going
gone along with this blind belief that the system was
(19:42):
still working as it was required by federal law.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, and here's the kicker to that. Faber and I
have talked previously. He sought more information to do deeper
audits and he hit a roadblock with the Department of Medicaid.
In fact, right now, your listeners need to the state
Representative Josh Williams has been trying to investigate the Department
of Children in Youth. There are about one hundred, I
(20:06):
want to say one hundred and sixty seven instances where
things were flagged. He's sent a record get this a
Lawmaker Center record request to the Department of Children in
Youth and said I need to see those cases. They
won't give them to him. That's what you're up against.
So when I look at that and I go, what
are we doing? You have one hand not talking to
(20:27):
the other where tax dollars are involved, and that's a
huge issue. They're going to have to solve it. Well.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
We will definitely readdress that issue down the road, Jack
Windsor again. Next Friday, I will not be here to
have our conversation. I'll miss it. We'll look. I will
look to talk to you in two weeks when I'm
back from my recovery and I keep I thank you
for all the work you're doing, Jack, And it's a
real pleasure talking with you and breaking these issues down
in the morning show for my listeners and me.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Hey, I love it. It's an honor. It's a pleasure.
Always great to talk with you, Joe and the listeners.
Hey be well, okay, thanks well man, I appreciate
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