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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Heytato six fifty five KRCD Talk station. Hope everyone's telling
a happy Friday, please to Welcome to the fifty five
KRC Morning Show. Bill Potts as background motivational speaker, business leader,
community builder. He's held executive roles at Ironman Group and
Clearwater Marine Aquarium, co founder and managing director of marketing
agency Remedy, three sixty five lecturer at Tulane University. In

(00:24):
addition to being an Ironman triathlete, he is also a
five time cancer survivor and author of the book We're
talking about Today, Up for the Fight. How you to
advocate for yourself as you battle cancer from a five
time survivor. Bill Potts, Welcome to the fifty five KRC
Morning Show. It's a real pleasure to have you on
this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Oh Brian, it's a pleasure to be on your show.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
And according to my producer, you and I have something
in common and that's lymphoma.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah we do, we do.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, mine, I had stage three lymphalma in two thousand
and eight and then came back in twenty fourteen, twenty nineteen,
and twenty and twenty, so we do have that in common.
And by the way, congrats on your success with that.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, and I just recently had a CT scan, actually
two back to back. There were several months apart. My
lymph nodes did start growing back. I had retuction treatment
and I was able to keep it at bay for
about three three and a half years. But the scan
revealed that the nodes were growing a little bit. But
I've been given the option of just sort of taking
a weight and see approach, and that's currently where I am.

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So I engaged in some dietary changes. I removed all
the sugar from my diet. I've reduced a lot of
the carbs for my diet, lost some weight, So I'm
not sure that's going to keep it at bay. But
I know there's a correlation between sugar and cancer. Whether
it's lymphoma related, I don't know, but I was willing to
try that out and I feel a lot healthier for it.
So next scan taking place in June, and I'm hoping

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that we don't see any more growth. But I know
there's treatment options out there for me. And you've obviously
been through that, which particular respective you said stage three.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, I had stage three non Hodgkin's lymphoma.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Uh so that's yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I went through retuction as well, and there was recently
as four years ago, I went through a more harsh
treatment of chemotherapy treatment. So yeah, it's it's been interesting.
My wife jokes that it took me getting cancer five
times before I finally cleaned up my diet, but that
that does make a difference. So I am very very
strict on you know, fruits and vegetables. I limitedairy, red meat,

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alcohols limited, and so I lean into as healthy a
diet as I can, like you do. And also I
lean into exercise because for me, I'm trying always to
be ready for when it comes back and also do
everything I can to lengthen the amount of time before
that happens.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, you got to be physically fit to do compete
in Iron Man. Come on, Bill, Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
That was trying to prove to my three kids that
no matter what happens to you in life, if you
get focused and put your mind to it, you can
accomplish anything. And so yeah, I taught them that lesson. Well,
and a couple of my kids followed in my footsteps
on the triathlon stuff, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Well, what motivated you to be so open and share
your cancer journey with and I, of course write the
book up for the fight.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, it wasn't my idea. I actually was going through
a chemoth er B treatment in September of twenty twenty,
and before that treatment, I'd had surgery to remove a
tumor below my right hip, and when I woke up
from the surgery, Brian, I had an emotional breakdown and
told the nurse that I was done. I wasn't up
for the fight anymore, that I knew what was coming,

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and I'd had a great life and a great career
and a great family, and I was throwing into towel.
So she called in the pastor at Mayo and we
came and talked about it for a while, about an
hour and a half, and she said, hey, Bill, let's
reconnect with the reasons why you should fight. And I
did fight for my family, fight for my friends, fight
for my meeting, for work, and also to fight to

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make God proud. So I'd reset my mindset and was
really up for the fight. At the end of this conversation, Brian,
she leans into me and goes nos to nos and says,
I got one more thing for you, Bill, like what
she goes. I want you to turn your pain into
purpose and write a book to help others. So I

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thought about it for a few seconds and said yes,
reached out to a publisher who the CEO called and said,
do we want to do this book? I'm like, why
she goes. I lost one of my best friends to
breast cancer recently, and this is the book I wish
somebody had written for her. So we want to write
a book like What to Expect when You're Expecting, but
for cancer patients, with some stuff thrown in for the

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friends and family of cancer patients as well, because it
will be meaningful and it will change lives and hopefully
save some lives. And so I wrote it while I
was going through treatment and was really thankful to get
that done and get it out.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, you mentioned the loss of hope and thrown in
the towel. How does one you know after you get
a cancer diagnosis? And of course some cancers are far
more aggressive than others. Some are caught far later after metastasization,
you know, stage four cancers and things like that, and
people only learn late in the process that they have
this progressive disease. Obviously there's going to be a problem

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finding some hope amid all that gloom and doom? How
does one advocate for oneself? And and you know, I've
always turned on I have great family support. You know,
I'm I married out. I can't kicked my coverage with marriage,
and I get inspiration from my wife and for my
family and from my mom, and I try not to
even think about it. I just ignore it like it's

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no big deal. It's like just part of my life.
But see, I've got I'm surrounded, and I also have
good doctors. So what does one do to advocate for
themselves amid all this?

Speaker 5 (06:00):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
That's by the way, I tick my coverage too with
my wife, and I've got the same family support.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
For me, it's about treating it. Advocating for myself is
that I have to own my own journey, meaning I
have to be involved and my family has to be
involved in all these decisions from where to go, to
getting second opinions, to doing things like you're doing, managing
your diet and exercise all those things. So the way
I deal with it is I deal with it a
little bit like it's my job. So it's my job

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when I'm going through it to get better. Now, my
job is to prevent it from coming back and make
sure I'm in good shape when it comes back. And
so a lot of folks look at the healthcare journey
as the doctors own it, and it's really not the case.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
It's you own it.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's your life, and so you have to be really
involved in all those decisions and understand what's happening and
surround yourself with the right team of doctors and the
support that you need, and then it's your journey, not
somebody else's.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Well, how a practical stuff that folks can take to
make their treatment days more comfortable. Now, Fortunately, as you
probably know, retuction doesn't really come with a whole lot
of side effects, unlike chemo therapy, which has some profoundly
negative side effects. So along the lines is something more
aggressive in terms of treatment and more profound in terms
of side effects chemo therapy. What what can folks do

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to make that make it more comfortable or less painful
in their life?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I think first of all, you've got the emotional
and mental piece, which, as you know, even walking into
a retucentreatment, the emotional side of it. Oh and sou
and I actually actually had an antiflexis reaction to to
retuction time, so that, yeah, you know how scary that is.
You're talking about waking up at what's going on.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
Until that happened.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, they had to slow the drip down. They're trying
to get me in and out a little bit faster,
so they up the drip level. And man, I am
telling you, that is the weirdest and almost awful sensation ever.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Yeah, it was. Yeah, it's pretty tough.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
So the way it works for me is, yeah, a
couple of days before treatment, I'm kind of a mess
and I don't talk to anybody and just people just
leave me along. But when I get outside the doors
of the cancer center, my mind switches and now it's
my job to get this done. This is one step
and healing. I also always make sure I have somebody
with me. I also, as you know, it gets cold

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in there, make sure I got a sweatshirt, ski caf
baseball calf, got some water to drink. I don't The
first time I went in, Brian, I was so ignorant.
I took my laptop. I was planning to work and
so now I know if I'm going in there, just
plan to relax the best I can, and I get
through it, and I count up to the halfway point

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I went through. Generally I'm somewhere around twelve to fourteen treatments.
I'll count up and then when I get to the
halfway point, I start counting down. That helps me from
mental side, you know how much progress that I'm making.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Oh, that's an interesting way of looking at it. And
there are a lot of support organizations out there. I
think of the I feel so so terribly for someone
who's dealing with this problem. This is cancer diagnosis and
being alone in the world in that regard. I'm blessed
to have a family in support, you know, in my
own home, to help me deal with the problems associated
with cancer, mental and otherwise. But there are some great

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support groups out there that can help out and have
resources for you and to interact with folks who are
also struggling like you.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, it's been remarkable for me. I leaned into the
Leukemia and Phoma Society. I guide people to whatever cancer
it is. There's a national cancer nonprofit in the US
that can provide you support. I leaned into some Facebook
groups for support. I recommend professional therapy if you can
get it, somebody listen to you. You do want to

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lean on your family and friends, but you also need
to lean on outside support because there are things that
you can share with them that you might not feel
comfortable with sharing with your family. And you also, as
you did too, Brian, you've got to keep an eye
on the family and make sure that they they're okay.
So part of my job and my life job was
to keep an eye on the three kids and to
make sure that they were handling it well and to

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make sure they had the support and resources they need
to go through it too, because the family goes through
it and the friends go through it, not just the patient.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, there's a certain degree of that. I can understand that.
And well to the family and others that are struggling
with a loved one's cancer diagnosis, how do they help
and support that love them with maybe how without overwhelming them?
I mean some people are like, oh my god, they
funnel over people and like, oh my god, anything I
can do for you, And sometimes that can be a

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little bit troubling for the person who's dealing with the
cancer diagnosis.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, it's It's true. Sometimes your friends disappear. Sometimes they
lean in a little bit too much, and so there's
really a few things. Is number one, to be present
when you're with them. Number two is ask them if
there's anything you can do for them, But not only that,
maybe suggest something that you can do for them and

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see what they say. I don't know how you were
with people coming over to visit and food and things
like that, but that wasn't really working well for me.
I don't My sense of taste was kind of a mess,
and my sense of smell was kind of a mess,
and so you know, food tasted differently. And the best
thing that my friends have done for me, I'm sure
for you is to say, hey, can I come see

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you and then just sit there and talk about anything
but the cancer. Let's talk about Let's talk about basketball
or football or baseball, some of my passions. Let's talk
about your family, Let's talk about my family. But let's
give me a break from all the cancer talk, because
I get that enough.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, And everybody's curious because they love you. They just
want to know if everything's okay. And I get to
ask that question from time to time, and I don't
mind hearing the question. To me, that's just a sign
of love, concern, and support, and that's what do you
expect from friends. But I guess my symptoms and my
treatments weren't ever as bad as yours in terms of
my body's reaction to it. And I just really don't

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even talk about it. Like I said, Bill, It's just
part of my life and I just accept it for
what it is. It's the hand that the cards that
God dealt me, and I'm happy to play with them.
So that's where I sort of get my optimism. You know,
it's kind of out of my hands. I just go
with the treatments and just enjoy and embrace the support
that's provided, and of course get a copy of the
book Up for the fight. How do you advocate for

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yourself as you battle cancer? From a five time survivor, Bill,
I can't thank you enough for writing the book for
all of us out here who needs some resources and
guidance to help. And you obviously have been down this
road as a five time cancer survivor. That's truly amazing, Bill,
and congratulations on that, and I wish you all the
health and the best in the world.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, yeah, back at you. And this book has changed
my life in so many profound ways because now I
hear from cancer patients all the time, and I'm able
to mentor them and coach them through their journey. So
I've accidentally become an expert in a lot of other
different types of cancer other than the ones I've had.
So if you need it, if you have anybody that
needs some coaching.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
Or whatever, Brian, just reach out, Just reach out.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Bill's been a pleasure, and congratulations. Obviously a very well
rated book on Amazon. You're almost at a full five
stars across the board and some really positive reviews from
folks in the medical profession. So well done, and thanks
for your time this morning. Bill, It's been a real pleasure.
Heaving on the program coming up on eight oh five
and fifty five care CD talk station. I am very

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happy Friday Eve to you. Been looking forward to this
conversation all morning. My next guest, Brian Reisinger. He grew
up on a family farm in Sault County, Wisconsin, and
loves to talk about the hidden stories of rural America.
Like most children of farmers, he worked with his father
from the time he could walk, before he ultimately entered
the world of business and business journalism, and public policy.
He has been published in like every single publication you

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can think of, USA Today, Newsweek, Yahoo News, Wisconsin Public Radios,
Wisconsin Life. I could go on Real Clear Politics and
go to that site all the time. He also is
an award winner National Society of Newspaper Calmness, first place
in Seven Hills Literary Contrast Contest, and the Saul Sword
And I could go on, but today we're going to
talk about his very first book, Land Rich, Cash Poor,

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My Family's Hope and the Untold History of the Disappearing
American farmer. Brian, Welcome to the Morning Show. It's a
real pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Hey, good morning, it's good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I feel like I have some at least connection with you.
I am I'll kicked my coverage when I married my wife.
She grew up on a rural dairy farm out in Pennsylvania,
a little town no one's ever heard of called Avella.
Her dad literally worked his entire life every single day.
If you don't milk the cows twice a day, you
don't get paid. So it was a small farm, a

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house he built himself. They all grew up, they all
worked the farm, never had really much money at all,
but it was just it's just it's an amazing life.
When you hear the stories and the hardships that go
along with it, it's not an easy life at all.
Something I know that I'm telling you that you know
about and so quite often, you know, multiple generations. You know,

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kids want to move away, they want to go to
the city. They don't want to follow in their fathers
or mother's footsteps. And I suppose that's part of this
disappearing American farmer concept. But it's beyond that, isn't it,
Because it's expensive to be a small farmer these days.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
You're absolutely right. I'm so glad we share that history.
And it sounds like your wife's probably a hard working
person in all the values and had a great child.
And you know, you're absolutely right in terms of the
way you describe the way of life. And here's the issue.
It goes so deep. It does have to do with
what's our next generation doing, but it has to do
with economic factors, governmental factors, technological factors, all kinds of

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ways that we've been leaving our family farmers behind.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
That's what we do in the book.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
We dive into the hidden airs of history that are
driving that disappearance, Why is it happening, and what's the
consequence to all of us? And then we leave that
with my family's story, and those are stories that are
probably like the ones you heard from your wife's family stories.
Is survival of know.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
Weather farm accident.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Second, I a cup people from the depression to today,
and you know, it's definitely a unique thing. It's a
life filled with with both beauty and hardship that goes
hand in hand.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Well growing up, you know, I not not fully appreciating
the concept of the small, the family farm by contrast
to the corporate farm. And of course, if you're a
corporate farm, you can afford to buy the what I
don't know how much one of those massive tractors costs.
There are hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I just
I can't imagine a situation where my my now late

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father in law, he lived in ninety three, I think
years old, the idea that he could ever afford something
that costs so much in order to just sort of
just try to keep up in terms of competing. I mean,
it it's just it represents such a colossal challenge for
small farmers to compete with, you know, somebody who's got

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tens of millions of dollars because they're backed up by
major corporations.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
You know, it does. And here's what's going on.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
We've got that kind of force going on all across
our economy. So the food companies are working to keep
up with the rest of the American economy by getting
bigger and bigger. The agribusiness companies work and keep with
food companies, and the farmers are left trying to keep
up with the Agga business food company several are trying
to keep up with the Joneses.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
So you get farms, whether they're a big.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Small, or medium, they are all trying to keep up
with the Jones And everybody has that pressure to get
bigger or get out. A lot of our bigger farmers
got that way trying to survive a lot of our
medium and smaller farms. You ended up not making it
because that we do still have a lot of family
farms left in this country.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
But it's truly against the odds.

Speaker 7 (17:31):
It's people like your father and long work continue to
work trying to figure a way to be competitive, to
be efficient, to be resourceful, even though the economic crises
and government policies you hit them in unique ways that
people don't understand. And even though so much of our technology,
to your point, has been leaving family farms behind. It
doesn't have to be this way, but it certainly is
this way. With the deck stacked against our family farmer,

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who's whatever their type or size, fighting to keep going well.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And it almost seems like they're intentionally trying to put
the small farm out of business. And I don't know
if you've ever seen it, and I know it's Britain
or the United Kingdom, but Clarkson's farm, you know, Jeremy
Clarkson has this farm and every show really illustrates the
insanity of the micro management of government authorities over You

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know the types of crops that are grown, where they
can be grown, you know the amount of moisture contact
content in a rape seed, and it's almost as if
they want to drive them out of business with rules
and regulations. Then you keep on the whole idea of
this climate change, religion, col flatulence. We need to regulate that,
we need to regulate how much space your chickens have

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or your pork has. I mean, it just adds so
much additional cost burden and I guess paperwork on the
small farmer.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah, you know, you're so right.

Speaker 7 (18:46):
Every single day, government requirements, regulations, taxes, different things are
really waging war on the American family farmer and you know,
the people who care about our environment. The irony is
that there's nobody who cares as much about our health
and abundant water, clean water as our farmers. So there's
a lot of room for people who care about environment
and farmers to work together. But the problem is our

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political debate's divide everybody, and we've got government that's really
stamping out family farms. I give you one brief, perfect example.
This happens. This stuff happens every single day. But there's
really really curious times in our history were escalated in
the farm crisis. The government was pushing more debt on
farms to make them get bigger, and then within a
few years they raised interest rates because they were trying
to deal with inflation. You can argue for or against

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the government trying to encourage farmers to expand you can
argue for or against changing interest rates, but when you
push debt on them with the government, and then you
use that same government to make that debt more expensive,
you wipe out tens of thousands of farms. My parents,
we tell the story.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
In the book.

Speaker 7 (19:43):
They just barely survived that they had been dealing with
a drought and almost had to take out a bunch
of debt right before the farm crisis hit. They didn't
have to do that because they've banded together with neighbors
to get through that drought year, and they avoided taken
on debt which would have wiped them out in the
nineteen eighties, just like happened to tens of thousands farms,
all at the hand of our governm.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
And I'm so glad you brought that up, that you
banded together, because I've also gotten stories from my wife,
you know, anecdotes, and it's like, I shouldn't I should
give credit to my dad's side of the family too,
because they were all what I call dirt farmers in Tennessee.
So I got farm stock on both sides. But the
idea of community, and this is one of the more
positive things and one of the realities of you know,

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when you ask yourself, when you hear about you and
I talking about all this crisis and the problems and
the difficulties of being a farmer. There are so many
rewards to being a small farmer, and part of it
is that sense of community because the entire region where
my wife grew up, they're all farmers. They're all engaged
in the dairy business or you know, or or at
least some aspect of farming. And when the hard times hit,

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when people you know, struggle with difficulties, they all step
up to the plate and help each other out. It's
a beautiful thing to behold.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
That's absolutely right.

Speaker 7 (20:50):
By the way, I'm glad that they put a microphone
in front of somebody who's got farming on both sides
your family.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
That's outstanding.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, well, you see, I do you following the footsteps.
I practiced law for sixteen years and I've been on
the radio now for this is my nineteenth year. I
think I was frightened away by the hardships that I
saw when I was exposed to it.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
Brian, Well, I'll tell you we struggled with those same
things in our family. My sister's work and take over
the farm from my dad. I worked with my dad
the time like a walk. I love my roots, but
I didn't have their talent for cattle and crops. So
although I still worked with them on the business side
and they throw me a track from my dad, but
you know, I pursued my writing career. I'm just honored
to be able to tell the story. So you and
I have come to some of the same things, but

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you know your point on neighbors banning together.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 7 (21:29):
That neighbor that I mentioned that helped my parents get
through the farm crisis in nineteen eighty is what happened.
Is he was an elderly man didn't need all the
crops in his field. My dad was a young man
starting out and had fields that were barely putting up
the crops. He needed to feed his animals. So they
went what they call halves, and you might know this
from your own family background. When you go half one
guy does the work and then they split the crop right. Well,

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the old man the name was Leo, and he refused
to take his fair share. He gave my dad more
of the crop than he ought to have, and my
dad kept on going down there trying to pay him money.
And you walked into the guy's cigarette, you know, filled
living and trying to hand him money there after day timing.
The guy said, you just got married, you don't know
me nothing, to take it and go, And we get
emotional just thinking about what he's been gone for a

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number of years now. But if he hadn't done that,
my parents would have taken out a load of debt
potentially just before the farm crisis hit. And it was
that working together and that sense of local community that
really got people through. And by the way, you know,
my dad was able to help this guy, but he
put in extra hours working around the clock to get
the crops off this guy's feel So it was people
helping people.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, And the other sense I always get is in
another story back in from my wife. Back in the seventies,
we went through stagflation and the economy went down the toilet,
and I'm sure it happened in multiple different times over
the life of that particular farm and my father in law.
But because they were realistic and not materialistic, they pretty

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much were self sufficient. They didn't you know, want more.
They didn't think that, oh my god, I wish I
had a better this, or that they had everything. They needed,
and so when hard times hit the general population and
people then had to do without something, they became used
to like, oh, we're going to have to cut back
on this, or we need to drop the country club membership.
Because of the you know, the economic thing, their life

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remained static. They continued to live at the same level,
which was enough to feed them and satisfy them and
pay the bills, and they it was sort of if
they didn't have a newspaper, they didn't even realize the
rest of the world was going through this turmoil.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Yeah, that's absolutely right.

Speaker 7 (23:31):
You know, it's one of the things that I encountered
so much when I was working on the book because
I knew these family stories, I knew bits and pieces
of them, and I wanted to reconstruct and be able
to tell the survival stories. But then I started researching
what was going on around us at that time. What
was happening to my great grandparents in the early nineteen
nine so what was happening to my grandparents and the depression?
What were the bigger forces at play? And it's so

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true that you know, when you're on the ground and
the farm, you don't necessarily have a way to see
the bigger forces affecting you and then vice versa. Right
the rest of the country that's living out some of
those forces doesn't necessarily get a chance to see what's.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
On the farm.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
And that's really the challenge. That's the core reason that
our farms are disappearance because that disconnects. And here's the thing.
It impacts not only our rural communities like where I'm
from and like where your family has roots that are
getting hollowed out, but it impacts every single American dinner
table because when we're losing our farms, we're impacting the price,
the health, the security of the food supply for every
single American.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Brian Rising or the author of the book we're talking
about today, land Ridge Cash Poor, my Family's hope and
the untold history of the disappearing American farmer, Brian, if
you could fix something, and I mean, I guess for
an initial question of the answer, can the small farm,
can the the the American small farmer be saved? Can
they continue, assuming they desire to continue farming as opposed

(24:47):
to corporate sized farms, can they survive? And if there's
something if the answer may be leaning toward no because
of all the things that we sort of scratch the
surface of that you dive deep to deep two in
your book, what would you change that might lead to
a better life for them or a more successful, lasting
farm life.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
Absolutely, you know there is reason for hope. We've lost
seventy percent of our farms in the past century, which
is devastating, but we still got nearly two million left.
And here's the incredible thing. Ninety six percent of our
family farms and it's because people have farms that they're
working part time will also pull them two to three
jobs to keep things going. So these are families, nearly
two million families that are you know, continuing to fight

(25:28):
forward even though we haven't you know, made the economics
work in this country. Imagine if we made the economics
work again. And so we do need to change things,
and there's moves we can make that can inject new
entrepreneur opportunity out there for our farmers. We need to
research and development revolution so that all of our technology
is bringing farms of all sizes, medium and small as
well as large along. We need to change our policies

(25:48):
to make sure we've got fair markets for small businesses
in this country. And we need to make sure the
consumers who care about where their food comes from take
steps toward buying from local farmers. Buy from a farmer
down the road, you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, I imagine that that was an injection of positivity
the whole. Buy local, buy from your local farmers, the
you know, eat and consume local. What's available fresh from
the farm, you know, grass raised, be a grass fed
beef raised from your local farmer. It should be easier
for I suppose farmers to slaughter their own beef and
sell it locally. Maybe I knew Congressman Thomas Massey's on

(26:21):
my program a lot. I'm a huge fan of his.
He has his own farm, and you know he is
a big fan of you know, raw milk or some
health benefits of that. My wife grew up drinking it,
you know, straight from the Couch's as healthy as she
could possibly be. So, you know, but maybe this RFK
junior emphasis towards health might give that much needed infusion
for the local farmer.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
Yeah, you know, that's the whole. There's always opportunity in
peril and for the farmer, and you know, people caring
about where the food comes from en us shifting toward
farmers able to meet the markets and meet now, but
also meet new markets from people who care about local,
regional fresh food, who care about specialty foods. Being able
to shift our farm economy in that direction. That creates
the entrepreneur opportunity for our farmers. It also creates more

(27:04):
options for consumers. We've got to make sure that we
make those transitions. Understand that farms are small businesses. Then
I have a whole lot of money sitting around to
invest in new things, but they can make change over time.
And if we can get focused on that and every
consumer takes a step toward the farmer, I know the
farmers are ready to take more steps toward the consumer.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
And knowing the farmers the way I do, I know
you are right on that. Brian Rising, your author of
land Ridge Cash Poor, My Family's Hope and the Untold
History of the Disappearing American Farmer, Hopefully we can reverse
that process. Brian, it's been a real pleasure talking with
you today. I appreciate you spending time with my listeners
of me and for writing the book which is now
available on my blog page at fifty five KRC dot
com so people can easily get a copy of it,

(27:39):
and I strongly encourage them to do that, because you
will have a much more profound appreciation for the hard
work that these men and women put in every single day. Brian,
you take great care of yourself. In a very happy Tuesday, Pea,
it's time for military badassery and a book to talk
about my next guys. William Dunn, President's Strategic Resilience Group LC,
started the company sixteen after retirement from a thirty three

(28:02):
year career in the United States Military, during which he
rose to the ranks of private through sergeant, second lieutenant
through colonel Tenant Old Dominion University, got a BA from
then Boston University, where he got a master's and a
in business as well as strategic studies. Wants to complete
the Military Basic School in the Infantry Officers Course in Quantico.
He reported to any As Pensacola for flight training. Getting

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to the subject of the book, The sign is a
Marine Cobra pilot and complete of multiple deployments and a
seven month deployment to Iraq as commander of HMLA three
sixty nine. The gun fighters and support of Operation of
Rocky Freedom. Welcome to the program to talk about your
book Gunfighters Rule, and thank you for your service. Retired
Colonel William Bernard Dunn.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Well, hey, Bryan, thanks for having me and I really
appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Update there. So that sounded great.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
It's you man, it's you you lived in I appreciate it,
all right. I gotta ask it before we get to
talking about Gunfighters Rule and the story you've got there.
Where did you get Berner from? Is the as the nickname?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Well, let's let's let's just put it.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
This here we go.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
That's gonna that's gonna cost you a beer to get
that hole.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
All right, I got a check. I got a stack
of challenge coins, colonel, so I'll I'll be sure and
have one in my pocket next time we sit down.
Catch you off guard maybe, all right, I appreciate that. Now,
Gunfighters Rule, obviously you lived a life, you were in combat.
You flew. What kind of helicopter did you to fly?
Was it a viper or a venom?

Speaker 8 (29:33):
Or it was a whiskey cobra, whisky cobra, the venom
and the vipers. I got some time in the Huey's
and uh, the four bladed cobra came out right as
I was getting ready to retire. I got a bunch
of simulator time, but I never actually got to fly to.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
The four Blady Cobra.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Okay, so you you obviously, or at least I presumably you
saw combat.

Speaker 8 (29:57):
Oh yeah, yeah, I saw combat uh many times, primarily
as a Ford air controller during O A F one
and then as a squadron commander of the Gunfighters in
O F six eight.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
So I've got got quite a bit of.

Speaker 8 (30:12):
Time on the ground over in Iraq for four combat
deployments to Iraq, and I did a combat deployment to Mogadishu,
but I didn't I didn't return fire. They shot at us.
We never saw whatever it's coming from.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
So a little bit of combat all over.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
But uh, you know, a lot of a lot of
my brothers and sister did a lot more than me.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
So well, I understand you. Most folks that serve their
country honorably always tell the story of the other guys
and how much more of the other people did. And
I'm certain that's a bit of being humble on your part.
So is this is the gunfighters rule? Is it your
story or is it a work of of Is it

(30:51):
fictional account? Because you know, as I read the notes.
It tells the story of a boy destined to become
the United States Marine, which sounds like it could be
either fact or fixed. Is this your story?

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Oh, it's my story for sure, all right, Well, Sue.

Speaker 8 (31:06):
Now, I started out a young, young lad with my
father and mother were Air Force veterans, and my dad
was in the Air Force. And when I was a
young kid, my dad started talking about how awesome these
marines were. Even though he was in the Air Force,
he loved it. And our neighbor was a marine. I
had a cousin was a marine, and uh, well, you know,
long story short. My dad passed away when I was

(31:27):
very young, and I talk about that in the book
with some strange things happened during that time. And then
when I turned seventeen, I joined the Marine Corps.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
That's amazing to get my mom to sign off.

Speaker 8 (31:41):
And there's a story about that in there too, because
at first she said, she said, no.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Marines are crazy. You're never going to the Marine Corps.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's great. Now I have to ask you you you
mentioned you were shot at, and of course if you're
in combat in a helicopter, I've always wondered because to me,
that would be a pants soiling experience because you're in
this this obviously visible aircraft overhead. And since we live
in times with modern warfare and heat seeking rockets and

(32:13):
shoulder fire missiles and things like that, how do you
cope with that situation? And what do you do to
avoid getting hit?

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Well, you just fly your tactics. And it's interesting.

Speaker 8 (32:27):
And I'll say this for myself and most of the
Cobra plots I've talked to, no one's worried about themself
getting shot down. You're worried about your women getting shot
down or the guys on the ground. And that's the stress.
And I remember we used to we used to escort
trucks and you're driving, you know, you're flying covers overhead,
and you're escorting trucks and one time a truck hit

(32:48):
an ID and blew up.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Oh my god.

Speaker 8 (32:51):
The feeling of that is insurmountable because you're helpless. And
so one day, and we talk about this in the book,
a truck hits.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
An I D.

Speaker 8 (33:02):
And we find a guy that we call him the
trigger man, and we find him and I'm rolling in
to shoot him and I can see him plain this
day from a code bore about three hundred feet. He
surrounds himself with the women and children literally so we
don't shoot. That was a tough day, and we talk
a little bit. It's called uh, it's called Gunfighter Village

(33:22):
in the book. That is uh. You know, if I
talked the Marines that that were with me on that day,
we still get stressed out about it. But but we
got everybody out. Uh nobody, Well, I shouldn't say that.
Nobody on our side. There's two sides of this river.
Nobody on our side of the river got killed. But

(33:43):
on the other side of the our army brothers, they
took a beating and lost lost some soldiers pretty pretty terribly.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh it's a shame, and you got to live with
that the rest of your life. Now I hear, I'm
reading that you mentioned a family destroyed by tragedies as
well as disillusionment, disillusionment by the institution. Can you put
a little flesh on the bones of that without revealing
too much. It's in the book because I know my
listen is gonna just eat this up.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Well, so you know, think I'm eleven years old. My
dad dies right the following year, our house burns down.
Oh my god, not all the way down, but it
burns up so bad we had to move That was
coming off my mother, who early on in her life
had had a stroke, a very terrible stroke.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
So she had a stroke, my dad died, house burns up, we.

Speaker 8 (34:39):
Got to move out, and then my mother ultimately we
end up moving into a great house. We end up
losing that house because she she couldn't afford it. So
a bunch of tragedy there, and you know, some stuff
growing up that we learned.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
And then you know, I love the Marine Corps. I
love the Marine Corps.

Speaker 8 (34:58):
When you read the book, people want to seeing exactly
what I'm talking about. There are some things that happen
within our beautiful corps that are not great. And like
when I joined the Marine Corps when I was seventeen,
I was going to be a marine recon.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
That's what I was promised.

Speaker 8 (35:15):
And when I'm at boot camp and I talk about
this in the book, they call out done supply.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
I said, well hold on, hold on, there's a mistake.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
And my start instructor, he looks at me in the eyes,
was a great, great Savanni goes your recruiter lied to
you and and he did.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
He did.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
I came back, I went to see him. He goes,
I lied to you, you're a marine who cares. And
he was right. And so that's the weird thing. But
I love the Marine Corps.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
You know.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
It's like, I won't allow anyone that's not a marine
to talk bad about the Marine Corps. But the Marines
know what I'm talking about. We are we are a cult,
and we are a tribe. But not everybody in the
tribe is uh perfect, if you will, and I'm not perfect.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
We all all of us.

Speaker 8 (36:03):
I don't know a single marine that hasn't made a
mistake to where they could have been, you know, their
career could have ended. I don't know one, including some
of my friends that have risen to very high general
officer ranks. Every one of us have made a mistake
that we could have been fired relieved. You know, you
just never know. And I guess from what I've talked.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I've talked to many, many folks who've served or actually
currently served, and I have a lot of listeners in
my audience who are part of the broader military family,
if I can characterize it that way. And one of
the things that's come through regularly. Is that after being
discharged from the military, you go into civilian life and
one of the problems that retired military face they missed

(36:44):
the camaraderie. It sounds me like you thoroughly enjoyed the
camaraderie of the Marines. And how did you adjust to
post military life in the absence of, you know, your
your brothers, if I may put it that way.

Speaker 8 (36:56):
Well, that's a great question. So I opened a company
with two other retire Marines and we support Davy, Marine Corps,
Army Air Force.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
All over the world. That's how I cope with it.

Speaker 8 (37:08):
But yeah, so I get to spend some time with Marines,
not every week, but definitely a couple of times a month.
And I will tell you this, here's the big difference
when you transition in for any veterans out there, you
probably will agree anyone getting ready to retire or get
out think about this is that you know, when you're
a sergeant in the Marine Corps or a colonel in

(37:30):
the Marine Corps and you tell us abordinate to do something,
they're gonna do it.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Period.

Speaker 8 (37:37):
They may blow up a truck to get it done.
They may, you know, whatever it takes. They will get
it done. It's not necessarily always that way in the
Savellian world.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Really, yeah, right, oh, if it were only that way,
if it.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
Were only that way. You know, it's like, you know,
I'll ask somebody to do something right, which is a
big difference. Right in the Marine Corps. You don't ask.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
You tell, hey, devil dog, I need you to go
take care of this, and they do it.

Speaker 8 (38:11):
And one of the things I talk about that in
the book, And I asked the Marine lieutenant to go
blow something up one day and he's sure as he
did it. Not the way I was thinking he was
going to do it, but he did it. And I
it's funny because I talk about that. I did a
brief one day to a one hundred and sixty north

(38:31):
from Grumman executives on how military leadership applies in the
civilian world. And what's interesting about that is what you
know in the civilian world, you may hear this phrase
do whatever it takes, right, you do never never want
to tell a marine that. If you tell a marine
do whatever it takes, they will do whatever it takes.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
So you got to define parameters, You.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
Got to put some forevers on it, because you know,
and I look back when I was a young Marine
lance corporal that was carte blanche, do whatever it takes,
devil dog. I'd be like, yes, sir, I get a
big happy smile on my face, and I'd go blow
up the world to get something done. And I tell
you what, those my brothers and sisters that are still
in will do that. They chomp at the bit when

(39:23):
you say do whatever it takes.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
That's great, well, and that's what creates the sort of
the out of the box thinking that military members of
the military are known for. That's why I think that's
one of the reasons why they're fully appreciated and recognized
by many employers as great employees. They take charge, they
figure things out, and they do what they're told. You know,
maybe within some defined parameters out here in the civilian world,

(39:48):
but they're great at getting things.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Done well they are.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
And the other thing that is beneficial is that I
was a Marine Cobra pilot. My first job, but my
squadron as a lieutenant was the legal officer. I have
no legal background, but my job was to advise my
commander on legal issues in our squadron. As a brand
new first lieutenant, coverpilot. One of my next jobs was

(40:15):
ordnance officer. I had to learn about all the not
I knew all the ordinance on the aircraft. I had
to learn and be with my marines and they showed
me how to load it and all the rules and regulations.
And then you know that's so whatever job you get,
it doesn't matter. The CEO says, hey, you are now
the logistics officer. That's what you go do. And so

(40:38):
it makes military men and women very, very diverse, and
they have to learn quickly how to be an expert.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Retired Marine Colonel William Bernard donn get a copy of
the book Gunfighter's Rule. Retired Colonel will you put this
your book on my blog page? But five cars dot
com and my listener is going to love to get
a copy of it. Thank you and God bless you
for your service to our country. My friend, it's been
wonderful having a conversation with you. Let's turn to our health.

(41:10):
I am pleased to welcome to the fifty five Cars
Morning Show doctor Catherine aka Katie Reed. She's the founder
of Unblind My Mind Inco, nonprofit dedicated to improving health
through informed food choices. It's got a background of biotech,
cancer pharmaceuticals and brings a wealth of scientific knowledge to
her work on chronic inflammatory disease. Joining the fifty five
CARSSY Morning Show to talk about a book she co

(41:30):
wrote along with Barbara Peice, PhD. It is Fat, Stressed
and Sick MSG. Process food in America's health Crisis. Doctor Reid,
is a real pleasure to have you on the program
this morning.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
Oh thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
And I don't know how you feel about I honestly
very excited about RFK Junior and hopefully his ability through
raising our awareness so kind of the things you're talking
about in your book, so we can make informed choices
about our diets, because I think a lot of people
are really uninformed processed foods and what are what's in them,
including as you illustrate and number one out of the

(42:05):
gate and the title of your book MSG. I remember
all the raide was getting Chinese restaurants to drop MSG
from there, from from from the foods, And we're going
back a couple of decades at least on that one,
and a lot of them advertised no MSG added good. Well,
apparently it's all over the place.

Speaker 9 (42:24):
It is it's all over the place.

Speaker 10 (42:26):
And yeah, you know, I'm excited about RFK Junior making
some changes about you know, being aware and having a
yeah back to real whole foods, not such the process
but the Yeah, it's the processed foods. The MSG is
hidden in the ingredient with and so even foods that
will say no MSG added, what it's implying it's not

(42:49):
pure MSG, not including MG that's created from the processing
of proteins.

Speaker 9 (42:56):
Okay, it's a bit of a yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, so it's not on the label as contains MSG.
But MSG is in the foods that we buy, the
process foods we buy because of how it's how the
food is made.

Speaker 9 (43:11):
How it's processed.

Speaker 10 (43:12):
And if you think about ingredient labels, they're not required
to put the manufacturing process on there and then the
end product resulting from that processing. So if you take
a protein and you process it with a bunch of
you know, pasteurization, acid, hydrolysis, fermentation, it'll degrade the protein

(43:34):
into its component parts, the amino acids, and glutamate.

Speaker 9 (43:39):
Is an amino acid, and they know that.

Speaker 10 (43:41):
I mean, that's how MSG used to be processed, is
using wheat, gluten and.

Speaker 9 (43:47):
Doing an acid hydrolysis on the wheat gluten.

Speaker 10 (43:51):
But now there's cheaper processes to making MSG, so they're
very well aware that processing these proteins makes MSG. It's
a very addicting compone, so we keep going for more.
It hijacks our taste receptors and our brain things. It's wonderful,
and so it's like rigged against us trying to find
a healthier, more quality of life.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, isn't that the point of MSG being an additive
or as a byproduct of processing to make the food
taste better, like salt makes food taste better.

Speaker 9 (44:22):
Exactly?

Speaker 10 (44:22):
It's it is the underlying mechanism of all addictions. But
so they're putting it in there too for you know,
increasing profits, increasing you know, consumption.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Okay, Now, I think most people know that as a
just a giant a dietary recommendation. We all hear it,
stay away from processed foods. How do you define processed foods?
Is like if I go out to the Indian restaurant,
I get carry out, I don't think of that as
processed food. They're using spinach, they're using a specific kind
of cheese, or they're using whole chunks of meat, and

(44:54):
if I did that at home, it wouldn't be defined
as process. So how does that, you know, homemade prepar
type thing differ from a process food as we know it.

Speaker 10 (45:05):
Yeah, and there's different categories on the degrees of processing.
So it's the ultra processed foods that they discussed in
the book you know, Fat, Stressed and Sick MSG processed
foods in America's Health Crisis, you know that.

Speaker 9 (45:16):
Can be purchased on Amazon. That it really is the
ultra processed foods that.

Speaker 10 (45:22):
Contains the largest amount of the MSG because of the
processing of the proteins.

Speaker 9 (45:29):
So you just mentioned cheese.

Speaker 10 (45:30):
And a lot of people won't consider that process, but
that is process you're taking. Yeah, you're taking milk, you're
fermenting it, you're you know having it. You know, cultures
that are added to it to degrade the proteins, and caseine,
the major protein in milk or dairy products, is then

(45:50):
degraded and so you get glutamate as a byproduct of
the fermentation of that milk. The more age the cheese,
the more the higher the MSG. And so you know,
even the breads the way they're making them, they're fortifying
it with gluten, they're fermenting it, they're adding you know,

(46:10):
a bunch of different ingredients that will degrade that protein.
So if you think about cheese and bread, well wow,
you know that's like a big staple in Americans. But
then like you know, the the Americans craze on protein,
you know, the protein powders collagen seems to be a
big fad lately, but they're using hydrolyzed collagen. They're using

(46:32):
an acid hydrolysis process on that collagen that will degrade
that protein and break it up into its subunits of
amino acids, Glutamate, you know, being a significant part of
that degradation. Whigh protein is a it's actually a cheese byproduct,
waste product from you know, making cheese, and so they

(46:53):
wanted to use whey because they didn't want to have
a bunch of waste from the cheese manufacturing. So now
it's all over our you know, different.

Speaker 9 (47:02):
Protein enriched products.

Speaker 10 (47:05):
But like wave protein isolate or soy protein isolate, these
are code words of it.

Speaker 9 (47:10):
Went through an extreme amount of processing.

Speaker 10 (47:13):
So what is not processed would be eating you know,
like you said, your vegetables, your whole grains, like you know, brown.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
Rice or quene waw.

Speaker 10 (47:23):
Starchy vegetables could be used as a carbohydrate source, like
potatoes or sweet potatoes, root of bega, having you know,
good whole quality uncured or unprocessed meat like pasture raised chicken,
grass fed beef, wild caught seafood, and then fruits, organic,

(47:44):
raw nuts, seeds. You know, again, the glycis shape or
the round up that they're putting in some of these
products also kind of contribute to inflammation and some of
that glutamate signaling even in the body. So those are
some of the things that would be considered unprocessed.

Speaker 9 (47:59):
You know, you're literally just you know, so.

Speaker 10 (48:02):
When you talk about Indian food, you know they're obviously
putting a lot of you know, cheese in there, or
dairy or a lot of these cream things and sauces.
And even though it's got spinach.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
You're going after my pillock panier.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, Well, we don't do it all the time, but
are we doing our souls? In the Thomas household, my
wife makes sour dough bread every week and uses it
from sour dough starter. There's no additives, there's none of
the multi gazillion labels that you're you know, the components
that are in a store bought loaf of bread which
will lasts like three or four weeks, if not months,
on your shelf. Is that a healthful thing to do?

(48:44):
By contrast? Or are we sort of spin in our
wheels thinking it's better for us?

Speaker 10 (48:49):
Well, I mean it is better for you than like
the like you said, like the wonderbread that are like
you able.

Speaker 9 (48:54):
To be in your house for weeks and weeks without molding.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Half life of patrol plutonium.

Speaker 10 (49:01):
Yeah, exactly, But you know it's using cultures, as you
suggest that the sourrow fermentation is using lacto bacillis bacteria
to ferment the wheat, and that's how they used to
make msg is fermenting wheat.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Well, your bursts and all kinds of bubbles this morning, doctor.

Speaker 10 (49:19):
I know, I know, you know, but it is a
happy Monday, like you said, and you know.

Speaker 9 (49:24):
It's it's awareness.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
And so even if people start moving the needle like okay,
I'm going to have you know, less cheese in my
diet or I'm going to have more newer, you know
cheese as opposed to like older age cheese like mozzarella
or cottage cheese, and you're kind of just making more
mindful choices to improve the help, especially if you're afflicted
with a chronic inflammatory condition, which most of us are, like,

(49:48):
I mean, I think there's like seventy percent of the
population that has at least one chronic inflammatory condition.

Speaker 9 (49:53):
Most have two. So we're dealing with a you know,
a health crisis.

Speaker 10 (49:57):
And so this is all about getting the word out there,
making more informed health choices.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Well, and looping back to MSG that apparently is everywhere.
Is that the problem with MSG is this inflammatory issues
that most of us are dealing with.

Speaker 11 (50:12):
Yeah, and so you know, it is.

Speaker 10 (50:16):
Very highly inflammatory, but it's a neurotransmitter, so it's activating
our nervous system, but it can trigger the inflammatory response
where we're almost neurologically wired to the inflammatory you know condition,
and so we make all the glutamate we need where
we need it, when we need it for the neurological

(50:36):
activation or a variety of other functions. It serves in
the body metabolics you know, energy production, insulin release. I mean,
it's signaling a variety of different functions. So when it's
at high levels, it's signaling stress. It is the stress
response in our body at high levels. So if you
think about like anxiety for example, or people who are

(50:58):
experiencing like panic attack, it is typically excessive glue.

Speaker 9 (51:02):
Tomate signaling that is triggering. Yes, and so if you are.

Speaker 10 (51:07):
Constantly in that you know, fight, flight, fear, fawn response,
it is an excess of glutamate signaling going.

Speaker 9 (51:15):
On in your nervous system.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
How about that?

Speaker 10 (51:17):
So yeah, and so it is. It's fascinating how this
is absolutely wired to our survival response. And some people
are wired to thinking that cheetah is around the corner
constantly even though there's no cheetah.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah, I get so it is. Yeah, well okay, Now
other than that, you know, anxiety feeling, you know so
many people have it. I was just ready to ask
you, you know, if if so many people are dealing with this,
this inflammatory disease will call it, how do they know
the signs and symptoms of it? Because you know, I
think of inflammation. I think of inflammation. You know, it's
like you know your your your fingers roll and or

(51:53):
you got arthritis or something like that. But you know
that the telltale signs of it, So anxiety being one
of them, are there any others that someone might be
suffering from this perhaps MSG connected problem.

Speaker 10 (52:05):
Yeah, and that's where I kind of have a whole
chapter in the book, you know, fat, stress, and sick
MSG processed foods in America's health crisis, I have a
whole chapter dedicated to all the various conditions or you
know what we call these states that are associated with
high levels of glutamate. So obesity we wouldn't think as
an inflammatory condition, but it is. It's an energy and

(52:26):
balance glue tomate signaling is absolutely at the basis of that.
There's an entire category of depression labeled glutamate based depression.
So there's depression, anxiety. My whole journey started with my
youngest being on the.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
Spectrum with autism.

Speaker 10 (52:43):
And for those parents or anybody who's afflicted with autism,
you can understand that many are it trapped in a
fight like fear fawn response, or they're very vulnerable to
a stress response.

Speaker 9 (52:55):
It doesn't take much.

Speaker 10 (52:56):
From their environment to be like, okay, they want to
shut down, right, And that she was very sensitive to glutamate.
Had no idea that this was really going to help
you know her condition and have a much better quality
of life by really being aware where the glutamate is
in the food supply. So cancer and I go through

(53:18):
a lot of that with cancer. Is if you think
about cancer cells is a metabolic cellular abnormality. Glue tomate
signaling will cause a lot of that abnormality because it's
a stress response, and cancer can sometimes be what the
body thinks is a cure to that stress response.

Speaker 9 (53:38):
Yeah, and so it's it is.

Speaker 10 (53:39):
It's you know, we're getting like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, you know,
even migraine headaches are typically attributed to the successive glutamate signaling. So,
like you said, the swelling could be, you know, one
of these signs of you know, but pain response is
a glutamate signaling response often. I mean, there's a lot
of other signals going on too, but glutamate.

Speaker 9 (53:59):
Is often the base of some of these pain responses.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I understand.

Speaker 9 (54:04):
Yeah, we're talking like the mother load here.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah. Well, I understand sugar is not good for you either,
So I just by cutting sugar out of my diet,
I've been able to lose like seventeen pounds over the
past six months. I just stay the hell away from
all added sugar. So maybe by doing that, I'm also
getting a lot of the MSG out of my diet
because everything's got added sugar, and it's a product with
added sugar. I'm not going to eat it exactly.

Speaker 9 (54:27):
Now, It's true.

Speaker 10 (54:27):
It's like so once you start getting rid of refined sugars,
you are eliminating a lot of process foods, and that
is where you know, you start to get rid of
a lot of the MSG sources.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Now I've learned a lot today, doctor read. This has
been a fascinating conversation. Your book Fat, Stressed and Sick
MSG Processed Food at America's Health Crisis is on my
blog page fifty five cars dot com and the link
so everybody can get it. And I appreciate what you're
doing raising America's awareness to where the problems come from.
And I hope you keep up the great We have
a brilliant, demonstrably brilliant genius man who wrote the book

(55:01):
we talked about last time. He's on the program Lies.
My government told me doctor Robert Malone, we're going to
talk about his new book today, cy War Enforcing the
New War Order. Internationally recognized virologists and immunologists, Clinical research
and regulatory affairs expert, US Federal contract proposal and project
manager and the original inventor of the mr NA delivery
vaccination as a technology, also DNA vaccination, multiple non viral

(55:25):
DNA and r N a mr NA platform delivery technologies.
And he has got a just wonderful background, but he
stepped and he got in trouble for speaking truth to power.
Welcome back, doctor Malone. It's a distinct pleasure to have
you on today.

Speaker 12 (55:40):
Thanks for the honor to be here and to talk
to your audience.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Well, in your last book, you know, the idea that
you actually told the truth about what was going on
with COVID and the the the vaccine got you into
a bit of trouble. Remind my audience what happened in
the aftermath of speaking out loud.

Speaker 12 (56:00):
Well, I was deep platformed from LinkedIn and Twitter a
day before I went on Joe Rogan. It was the
Joe Rogan hit that really kind of broke everything open,
and that set off a cascade of attacks. They were
already in progress, really with The Atlantic Monthly, Business Insider,

(56:20):
New York Times, Washington Boast, Rolling Stone goes on and on,
you know, all coordinated and of course in Wikipedia that
I'm still labeled as a spreader of misinformation. But thank
you Joe Rogan and Woody Harrelson for the recent hit
in which Joe said that surprisingly everything that Malone said

(56:45):
in that infamous podcast turned out to be true.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Confirming all of the previously called conspiracy theories. They're all
actually true. Masks social distancing, the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine,
the idea that children shouldn't get an only people in
the most critically unstable, you know, the situations, you know,
comorbid conditions, The elderly were the ones that it should
have been given to, and perhaps no one else. The

(57:10):
firing of people for not getting the vaccine. Anybody who
uttered a syllable against that was deemed some kind of
nutcase and conspiracy theorist. And as it turns out, they
were all right all along, including you, sir. And that's
kind of the gist on one topic level of what
cy war excuse me enforcing the New World Order, addresses.

Speaker 13 (57:28):
Is it not?

Speaker 12 (57:31):
Yeah, so very much. Cy War was a product of
what I'd experienced in many physicians and others around me.
It wasn't just me. And as I was trying to
make sense of what I was experiencing, which was unlike
I've been through multiple outbreaks at the front edge of things,

(57:52):
never seen anything like this in my life, and so
trying to make sense out of it. And then once
I'd kind of process that, the book it was an
intent intended to be a little bit of a wake
up guide. You can almost say, a vaccination for people
that were aware that things weren't right, but they weren't

(58:15):
able to kind of make sense out of it all
to help them see the underlying structure and hopefully to
help them to become a lot more resistant to this
kind of technology. Here's the key point, if you if
you'll let me continue to rate that I posted today
on x it's getting a lot of traction. I'm sincerely

(58:39):
convinced that pharma has learned to use psychological warfare methods
developed by our militaries for use against the likes of
al Qaeda and the Tealiban. They've learned to use this
as part of their marketing approach. They've used They've learned
to use propaganda in this way with the whole suite

(59:01):
of modern sy ups as a way to influence governments
by ginning up fear in the general population to make
purchasing decisions and other administrative decisions that favored the interests
of pharma. I think that behind all of this we've

(59:21):
got the hand of big Pharma that's learned to manipulate
the public to generate fear of death as a way
to influence decisions from government leaders.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Well that says a mouthful right there. They're that capable
of doing it, that they could get people to do
really stupid things. You know, it was sort of revealing
you knew, and I think we all collectively knew that
during COVID, when they were shoving these vaccines down our
throats or at least forcing everyone to get one, that
something was wrong with the edicts from various governors, including

(59:55):
here in the state of Ohio. Governor wine. You could
drink at a bar, but not after ten pm. You
could buy things in an aisle on a store, but
not things on the other aisle, unnecessary items or whatever.
That just doesn't make sense, and it doesn't process from
a logic and reason standpoint. You don't need to be
a renowned physician like yourself to realize something is wrong here.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Amen.

Speaker 12 (01:00:18):
And it's that kind of intuitive sense or some people
might call it a spidey sense. That really triggered a
lot of folks to start asking questions and digging into
the details. And now, thanks to Doge, we have these
amazing reveals about USAID and its manipulation of media all

(01:00:42):
over the world, which was one of the conundrums for
me as I traveled, particularly to Europe during the COVID crisis.
I saw the same words, the same strategies and tactics,
the same language being used over there is over here,
and it didn't make sense. How is all of this core?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
And now we know, well, it seems to be the
assertion that someone gets to be named as an export
or like expert rather or like doctor Fauci. The expert
as if you know, it's God speaking and there's no
way you can resist or save anything in opposition to it.

Speaker 12 (01:01:17):
This is a core tenet of scientism. Which is another
one of the kind of topic carries in the book
is this development of a new religion in the face
of the separation of church and state. The federal government
has veered towards substituting this new thing in place of
you know, core tenants that used to come from the

(01:01:40):
Judeo Christian ethic, and this new thing that's been substituted
is it's not science. It's a pseudo religion that you know,
Scientism is the word, and it has anointed high priests.
And Tony Fauci is one. In the vaccine world, Paul
Offitt is another one. And there are many of these

(01:02:05):
that are basically vested and then appointed to these various
federal commissions, like the Advisory Committee on Ammunisation Practices at
the CDC and the FDA advisory committees. And that's one
of the things that the new HHS under Bobby Kennedy

(01:02:28):
is looking at, is really getting rid of these individuals
that are so industry biased in these advisory committees, so
we can get back to more objectivity in terms of
analyzing what the data are and helping the government make decisions.
Another thing I've been arguing is that the government is

(01:02:49):
allocating public health resources in a biased fashion. The money
that we spend should reflect the degree of actual demonstrable
need in the populace. Where is the real disease. If
we were going to allocate money based on public health urgency,

(01:03:10):
we would be spending billions on fentanyl and we're not.
We're spending it on chasing H five N one because
it's infecting cows right now, and even the CDC says
it's not a major public health threat. H five N
one has been out there for a long time. But
this is another thing that has had up fear of

(01:03:34):
death because in nineteen eighteen, the story goes, we lost
a huge number of people to swine flu, but that
turns out to be a false narrative. The thing that
really killed people was the subsequent pneumonia, bacterial pneumonia, and
now we have antibiotics, so people don't die of bacterial
pneumonia unless they've got major other problems, so they forgot

(01:03:57):
to get medical care. The other thing that killed people
during nineteen eighteen was the overuse of a hot new
drug that had just been discovered. Overdosing of aspirin to
control fever killed a lot of people. But that's all
been transformed into this narrative that flu is an enormous
boogeyman and we all have to be afraid of it,

(01:04:18):
and therefore we have to spend stupid amounts of money
on that as opposed to you know, it's a limbit
in theory it's a limited federal budget, and we ought
to be spending money based on what the true public
health need is. You get my point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
I absolutely get your point. And I was thinking about
this in the context of something you write about in
the book We're speaking of today, cy war enforcing the
new world or order by my guest today, doctor Malone,
deep state censorship. Now, there are, as you noted, during
the period of time you were speaking out loud in
opposition to the deep state narrative, this propaganda campaign about COVID,

(01:04:56):
there were many peer review studies out there which well
flew in the face of what the narrative was, and
yet they were suppressed and they were suggested to be,
you know, erroneous or wrong. There are so many parallels
you can draw between that and what we're going through
with this carbon dioxide is bad thing, with this solutely
plant food man.

Speaker 12 (01:05:17):
The green energy narrative is another cywar narrative that's been
promoted globally very effectively to advance financial interests of selected
third parties. And here's the irony. Who is it that's
benefiting most from selling windmills and electric cars?

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
The Chinese? The Chinese?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Isn't that crazy. I say this all the time. I
do not believe that plant food is bad. I do
not believe in carbon capture. I think it's a foolish
exercise in pursuit to think that a windmill can substitute
for something we're not allowed to have, apparently, the nuclear
power plant.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
Amen.

Speaker 12 (01:05:58):
And the only you know, you know who's going to
break this is the tech bros. Because they want to
have these great, big AI facilities, and you can't run
an AI facility on green energy. And that's what's driving
the development of these little kind of local nuclear reactor

(01:06:18):
technology plants so that you're data center. I mean, they're
building these things out here in Virginia and they are massive,
and they suck up power the new here's the fun fact,
the envisioned stargate, remember Larry Ellison on day two of
Trump's presidency and that little fiasco press conference, That data

(01:06:42):
center will have power demands equivalent to all the natural
gas consumption on an annual basis in the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
State of Texas, Louise. You need nuclear plants for that,
and people don't get it. These modern modular nuclear plants,
you know, really are efficient. They have a small footprint.
We don't have these problems and issues that a three
mile island design how many decades old? Is that by
now we do advanced technologically, we do solve problems, we
do create better efficiency. So what's the fear? And really,

(01:07:12):
largely doctor, why is this happening? Why do we still
fear nuclear power? I mean, that's part of this propaganda campaign.
What's the point behind narratives?

Speaker 12 (01:07:25):
Exactly promoted narratives? And you know, you got to I
think you really have to ask the question, you know,
follow the money and who benefits from these policies. And
this plays out on a geopolitical stage in terms of
the interests of nation states and frankly empires as they

(01:07:48):
battle with each other, and the use of psychological warfare methods,
which is, you know, the modern embodiment of propaganda is
highly developed in all these competing nations. You know, we
hear about Russian bot farms. I'll come on, there's British
bought farms, There's Chinese bought farmers. You know, American bot

(01:08:11):
farms are huge, and I'm sure there are Ukrainian bought
farms and Romanian bought farms and Polish bot farms. I
mean every nation state is doing this now, it's it's
the way you play the game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Doctor, real quick here, before we passed, before we had
the part company. I wish we could talk for hours literally,
what can we do to see through the fog of
the lies that are being fed us?

Speaker 12 (01:08:37):
Thanks for that question, I get it all the time.
Part of that's part of the logic of the book
is helping people to understand the tech and how it's
deployed and who's deploying it really helps to kind of
immunize you against that kind of propaganda. But the other
one is in a practical way, you've got to seek
out multiple sources of information and don't just select the ones.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
That agree with you. Amen.

Speaker 12 (01:09:02):
It's it's hard to do, and sometimes you don't want
to read what is coming down in Atlantic Monthly or
Huffington Post, let alone real Clare politics. But you need
to read that other stuff to understand, if nothing else,
the strategies and tactics and what the agendas are of

(01:09:23):
those that are in opposition to your own political framework.
And this we seek out media from India, from uh,
South Korea, Europe. Of course, you know you need you
need to look at not just at mainstream media. But
you need to look at alternative media coming from offshore

(01:09:47):
to the extents you can, because a lot of times
your browser won't let you get there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah, I'll tell you what, doctor Malone. You just echoed
my theory on the Morning show. I am being trained
as an attorney. That's what we always had to do.
You had a look at alternative cases, alternative opinions. It's
how you formulate and find the truth, Doctor Robert Malone.
God bless you, sir, cywar enforcing the new World order,
exposed in the history and tactics of modern psychological warfare

(01:10:12):
on the American people, and a way forward for you
to resist this totalitarian control. My listeners will be buying
the hell out of this book, doctor. It's on my
blog page fifty five KRC dot com of the link
to where they can buy it. I'll encourage them to
do so and share the information and book with their
friends that spread this information. Keep up the great work, doctor,
I really do appreciate what you're doing. Hey Bob here

(01:10:35):
at fifty five car CD talk station. By the time
I was wishing everyone at very very happy Friday and
please as I can be, and I'm sure my listening
audience is happy that I have him on right now.
Thanks to Joe Jaker for lining up Doctor Colonel Josh McConkie.
He is an award winning bestselling author and HISS Deemed
emergency physician with more than two decades a clinical experience.
Sir also as a professor at Duke University and maintains

(01:10:57):
Board certification and emergency Medicine. With twenty two years of
military service, Doctor McConkie now commands the four hundred and
fifty ninth Aero Medical Staging Squadron in the US Air
Force Reserves. He also has a military service which includes
providing critical medical support in both wartime and peace time operations,
more than three hundred and forty hours as a flight
surgeon and ninety combat hours in rotor wing medical evaluation

(01:11:22):
and air assault missions in the Middle East. He's an
Air Medal and Army Commendation Medal recipient for exemplary service
during Operation Iraqi Freedom. I mentioned he's a best selling
author or here to have doctor Conkie, Doctor Colonel McConkie
talk about his best selling book, Be The Weight Behind
the Spear, Doctor Colonel McConkie, it's a pleasure to have
you on the fifty five Carosee Morning Show and thank
you for your service to our country.

Speaker 14 (01:11:44):
Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be with
you this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Now, you actually perform surgeries in helicopters, so you can.

Speaker 14 (01:11:54):
Yes, a lot of it is just trauma, trauma and
life support, but yes, it's it's not ideal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
But if you have to yes, oh my word, and
so you were in the thick of it, if you
were flying wounded individuals in combat, that's a that's I
would obviously say, that's a very dangerous proposition.

Speaker 14 (01:12:13):
Yeah, that was before my before marriage and children, So
I would probably, uh, it would have to be a
World War three level scenario for me to put myself
in a situation like that for a Now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
You can get a young person to do anything, doctor anyway,
be the weight behind the sphere. I obviously from the notes,
I think anybody can observe we are not exactly a
very unified country or quietly divided country. And I absolutely
think I've noted on the air and observed many times
over I think that there are some you know, evil

(01:12:45):
forces out in the world that intentionally stir the pot
of division in this country. Obviously, we being the most
successful country that has ever been, Thank God for that.
We're the source of envy and green And of course
we've got enemies in the world, and it does them
a lot of benefit to divide America. I used to
look at the American flag and view it as a
symbol of unification. It stood for freedom under which anybody

(01:13:07):
can stand and enjoy their own life pursuits. But at
every turn we seem to be yelling each other about
every minuscule problem in the world. I guess is that
concept as at least I observe it One of the
reasons you wrote this book.

Speaker 14 (01:13:22):
That as a major part to play. You know, it's
the most divided politically and generationally in this country that
I've seen in my lifetime. You know, I'm forty seven
years old, and you know, I'm hoping that we can
find something in common to focus on. And if people
would just focus on developing our future leaders and engaging
their communities, America would be a much better place and

(01:13:45):
try to bring us back together.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
And you would think, because future leaders are going to
be running the show, we want the best and brightest,
that we would all work collectively for the benefit of everyone,
regardless of stripes standing beneath that flag, to advance these
people and help them out along the way. But in
this society, part of the reasons we have so much divisions,
these so called current leaders actually foster and encourage the

(01:14:08):
division that we're talking about.

Speaker 14 (01:14:11):
It really is detrimental to our future. The best resource
that we have in this country is our people. It's coaches,
it's teachers, it's volunteers and mentors. That needs to be
the focus instead of the political division. And you know,
right now you feel like you have half the country
that's just missing the plot completely.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Yes, you do well, I wrote as I was, you know,
think preparing for this interview, I wrote down the three
profound you know, the type of folks that were most
profound in having an impact on my life. My parents,
first and foremost, they gave me the gift of education,
and they really encouraged and insisted that I get a
good education. So I and they helped me to get

(01:14:51):
through college and law school and I went on to
practice law for sixteen years. They able to build a
family and take care of them thanks to the education.
But also education included certain of my educators, my teachers
in K through twelve and of course college. Some of
them stood out and were truly inspirational. Thank you, Chuck Barkoltz,
you're out there listening. He was a brilliant man and

(01:15:12):
one of the most influential teachers of my life. And
then my mentors, the people that I work for, the
partners at the law firm, who taught and trained me
and gave me all the tools of the trade I
needed to be successful. That's the kind of thing we're
talking about. But moving aside from my personal experience, everyone
I think is an expert at something and can pass
that along to the next generation of people. If we're

(01:15:34):
all thinking about, you know, building these future leaders.

Speaker 14 (01:15:39):
Everybody has a unique skill. Everybody has something different to give,
and what they do every single day matters. They need
to realize that and they need to get out in
their community. It can be something different for everyone by
coaching Little league or soccer, or volunteering in your church
or your school. And some people sti't like working with people,
That's fine. Get out out there in your community. There's

(01:16:01):
plenty of organizations, animal shelters that become emotional support animals
for somebody. There's this is a team sport America, and
life is a team sport.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
So in writing this book, how do you how do
you frame it in the sense that to get like
people to answer your call to action along these lines,
because again with all the division unity people, I think
people just some like outa hell with it. I just
give it up.

Speaker 14 (01:16:29):
You know, unless you recognize the problem, you can't fix it.
So our bad policy decisions over the past four or
five years are now coming to roost. As an emergency physician,
I see this generation. They're coming in with a huge
mental health crisis. I see anxiety, depression, and very sadly suicides,

(01:16:50):
and it rips your heart out every single time. These
kids are so young. The mental health health crisis is
very real. And then as a military commander, I see
the same general. They lack the simple resiliency skills. They
fold at the very smallest of obstacles. And I was
so concerned that I sat down and I wrote this book.

(01:17:10):
I need Americans to get engaged and this is the
call to action.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Well, it sounds like you speak Pete Hegseth's Language Defense
Secretary Pete Tegzeth, Because I worry as much I do
anything I can, by the way, sir, to help and
support the American veterans because I have so much respect
for them. But I saw the recruit numbers declining dramatically,
and now, of course you have physical fitness problems in
this country with hopefully RFK Junior may help to deal

(01:17:37):
with but we'll keep our fingers crossed. But also the
American military becoming this woke entity. There was nothing but
an extension of the k K through twelve and college education, identity, politics,
vehicle and in doctrination camp. What does that have to
do with killing people and breaking things? Which is always
my boiled down look on what the military should be.

Speaker 14 (01:18:00):
You know, it is a terrible and horrific job. I
have been on the front lines. I have flown metavac,
I did one aerossault, scariest thing I've ever done. And
that's our job. Nobody wants to do that job, but
when you're called upon, you have to be able to
execute that job and deliver that lethality with no questions asked.
So if what your government, if what they're asking you

(01:18:22):
to do, does not help you do that, then you're
wasting our time. You're literally deteriorating our capabilities, and I
am so thankful that we have this current leadership in
office that is getting us pointed back in the right direction,
because the last four years have been very, very hard.
As a military commander, it's been very difficult. I follow commands.

(01:18:43):
We have civilian led you know, leadership for our military,
and you know, I'm proud to follow, you know, our
civilian elected leaders. I just disagreed with a lot of
the policy decisions, and I'm very thankful that we have
p tag Seff at the Helm.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
So you saw this firsthand because you're still in an
active role, I guess can you explain my listening audience,
did it really Was it really pervasive? These DEI woke policies,
if I can call them woke policies and get away
with it, I mean, was it that pervasive?

Speaker 14 (01:19:13):
It was very pervasive. It almost became a singular focus,
and they were dividing people. They were dividing like my airmen.
So when you would sit down, you know, with the
quotas and the DEI, and they were literally different awards
that you would submit members for some of you know,
at a wing or air force wide level, and meetings alone,

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they were separating here's the African American contingent, and here's
the Asian contingent, and here's the LGBTQ. It defeated the
entire purpose of building unity in the military. It was separating.
And when you try to build your morale and you're
a spree to corps and then you look at people
that were willing to join the military, those numbers were deteriorating.

(01:19:58):
That's a direct reflection of those bad policies you saw
immediately in December, with one election in less than thirty days,
those December recruiting numbers ramped up exponentially because the men
and women that you asked to serve this country and
lay their lives on the line, they just want to
be able to do their job and execute. The DEI

(01:20:19):
initiatives were degrading that capability.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
So you're answering your question. I was going to ask you,
there are still patriotic young Americans out there that still
believe in the message of freedom and liberty that our
country stands for, that probably would have signed up for
military service maybe in earlier times, but under this woke
governance and this woke ideological concept that was going on,
they wouldn't do that, but they're still out there.

Speaker 14 (01:20:46):
They are still there. I am proud to serve with
many of them. I have one hundred men and women
under my command, best war fighting medics in the United
States Air Force, and I'm glad we are back on
the right track because the world needs a strong maria
and military. The American people demand one, and we are
now heading back in that direction.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
One subset of this, and I know you're outspoken on
this whole renaming of Fort Bragg Fort Liberty. Can you
address that and tell me what an impact that had,
just specifically.

Speaker 14 (01:21:16):
So that right there, it is always going to be
Fort Bragg. It has always been Fort Bragg. Everyone in
the world knows of that name. That there's in pop culture,
movie references, Rambo. Everybody knows what Brag stands for, and
it's the men and women that have served. It had
nothing to do with a World War II general over

(01:21:37):
one hundred and fifty years ago. That has to do
with the men and women and the mission that is
going on at Fort Bragg, you know, the heart of
airborne operations, of special operations, the JFK Special Warfare Center.
I was not happy with that name changed to Fort Liberty,
nobody in Fayetteville. I live in North Carolina. Nobody called

(01:21:57):
it Fort Liberty. It was always Fort Bragg, and we're
very happy that it's back to being Fort Bragg officially,
and in doing so, they've actually needed it after a
World War Two veteran from the greatest generation, Roland Brag
So it's a win on both fronts.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
The name of the book, The Weight behind the Spear,
written by my guest today, impressive. He is doctor Colonel Mconkey.
Who did you write this book for? Is it literally
for anyone, anybody in any capacity to pass along their
own knowledge and experience from life or career to young people.
I suppose the audience for this book is far and wide.

Speaker 14 (01:22:34):
It's far and wide anybody that deals with this younger generation, teachers, coaches, parents,
business leaders, business leaders don't realize that this is still
their problem. These kids are coming to you looking for jobs,
and if they lack these skills, your business will not
be successful.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
So really, everybody, it's been a real pleasure having on
the Morning show again on behalf of all of my
listening audience, my family me thank you for your service
to our country and for writing this inspiring book. Be
the weight behind the sphere. What we've done for everyone's benefit.
As my producer has put your book on my blog
page of fifty five care se dot com with a

(01:23:12):
link to get a copy, and it will strongly encourage
them to do that and then share the book with
a friend who you think might help out as well. Doctor,
it has been a Colonel, I don't know what you prefer,
but doctor, Colonel Josh McCaughey, it's been a real distinct
pleasure to having in the program. And thanks again for
spending time with my listeners in me this morning. Brian Thomas,
please to welcome my next guest, Mark Beckman. Tech out

(01:23:33):
his resume. I can't read it all. We wouldn't have
any time to talk about his new books Some Future Day,
how Ai is going to change Everything. He is the
CEO of an award winning advertising agency, DMA United, and
he has well worked on campaigns for literally every major
company in the country embraces and emerging technology and effort
to augment campaigns, including We're going to be talking about

(01:23:54):
it artificial intelligence, and he's used that a variety of
wastes for his advertising campaign is show Some Future Day
examines technology culture, in the law, all kinds of really
notable guests. He's also of the best selling Comprehensive Guide
NFTs Digital Artwork Blockchain Technology, a highly a claim book

(01:24:16):
that is Welcome to the show, Mark Beckman, Let's talk
about your book some future day, how AI is going
to change everything. It's good to have you on the
Morning show.

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
Good morning.

Speaker 15 (01:24:25):
Thank you so much for having me, and thank you
for that very very nice introduction.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
I appreciate it well. And you know, based on your resume,
it was quite abbreviated. I tried to get the key
elements in, but it is impressive what you've been able
to do. Let's talk about AI. You know, I'm old
enough to remember when it was a big thing that
IBM invented Big Blue, which actually beat a human being
in the game of chess. That's peanuts compared to what
this stuff can do today. And I think, and I
know your book presents I think in an optimistic way,

(01:24:55):
how this is going to benefit, you know, the masses,
But I think most people are afraid of like I'm
going to be out of a job, kind of afraid.

Speaker 15 (01:25:04):
Well, you know, it's for sure. People are concerned, as
they are with every technology and what my book does,
and I think your audience would appreciate it. I'm sure
there are tons of people in your audience who are
smart and curious and beginners. And for those beginners who
are interested in learning how they can enhance their career,

(01:25:26):
make more money, improve their family life, improve their communities.
My book brings those beginners into the world of artificial intelligence.
And after every chapter, I actually provide the reader with
tools that they can use today to start implementing. Whether
that means they want to learn how to create new

(01:25:46):
art work or write a song, or how to you know,
create more efficiencies at work with emails and writing even business.
You know, so many of us struggle. We have a
new business idea, but we don't want to write the
business plan. I mean now, literally, with these new tools,
we can write a business plan in a matter of minutes.
It's incredible. So I lay that all out in my

(01:26:10):
new book some future day, how AI is going to
change everything? And you know, obviously it's on Amazon, Barnes,
and Noble, target all the big booksellers. But it's pretty straightforward,
and that's why I'm very optimistic about it. I think
that this will have very very positive implications to everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Hey, and your book also is available on my blog
page at fifty five cares dot com. Always put the book,
author's books and a link to buy them on my
blog page. So that's one more mechanism so my listeners
can always remember that. Now, I guess my concern on this.
And you know, I practiced law for a long time,
sixteen years. I've been on the radio for nineteen, but
prior to that, sixteen years of practicing law, and I
know they're using AI to create legal briefs. Part of

(01:26:52):
the thing about you know, a lawyer was it required
critical thinking analysis. You had to do the work yourself,
which help you improve the case, manage the the the
direction of the arguments and articulating them. It helped the
juices in the brain flow and I think that benefit
of the client. And when you talk about like having
it write a business plan, if you're got a great

(01:27:12):
idea for a business, isn't part of developing the business itself,
sitting down and contemplating as you write a business plan
to help you, you know, steer the direction of the
business model. I mean it forces you to think, I
just worry about AI. Maybe dumbing us down. It doesn't
require It takes away the logic and the and the

(01:27:32):
creative component that your brain works on, and I think
that part benefits you and helps you develop as a person.

Speaker 15 (01:27:40):
So it's a it's a great question, particularly from me
because my background is law as well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Oh okay, yeah, and yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:27:48):
So I'll tell you something cool on one of my episodes.
I'd love to send it to you somehow. But on
one of my episodes on my show Some Future Day
on YouTube, I intro I introduced to my audience the
first political figure who uses artificial intelligence to draft a bill.
And you can imagine. His name is Clyde Vanelle. He's

(01:28:10):
here in New York City and you can imagine Assemblyman
Clyde got into a lot of trouble. His constituency went
ballistic on him. But what he admitted was that he
had to go and apply that personal touch that you're
talking about. Your concern his creativity. At the end of
the day, and I write about this in my book too.

(01:28:32):
If you look at machine versus man, man still wins
that creative element. You're right, we could be creative with
artificial intelligence, but it's not going to get that emotional connection.
You can't break through the way Bob Dylan does, you
can't break through the way Pablo Picasso does. So for
sure humans will beat the machines every single time. And

(01:28:54):
I get into like some fun stories. The book isn't
just technical with regards to use this tool if you
want to create a paint, and use this tool if
you want to create a photograph. But I get into
like these types of stories and issues too, And I
get and I go deep into the idea of like
the human spirit, our ability as creators to touch emotion
is far superior than algebra. And at the end of

(01:29:15):
the day, AI is literally algebra. It's predicting. So I'm
with you on that humans are going to beat machines
all day long.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Well, and you know, in terms of drafting a bill,
I you know and understand how legislative drafting is done.
You take the Code of Federal Regulations for example, you
see a bill out of Congress, you have to refer
back to the original Code of Fedal Regulations to see
what the original REGs stated. They never incorporate that language
into a new builder work and on. They just change
things within it. So artificial intelligence can go a long

(01:29:45):
way because it can easily digest thousands and thousands of
pages of rags and make sure what you're writing now
you know, it goes, you know, falls in line with
what's already on the book. So that is a great advance.
It takes out the human error component of that and
a lot of a man hours or hours of work.
But you know, I guess I wonder in terms of

(01:30:08):
other things like, well, maybe human error we have to
worry about that, and it takes out that element of
human error. But these artificial intelligence platforms are programmed by humans.
So you got that whole garbage in, garbage out kind
of concern, and we've seen some of that pop up
with artificial intelligence being rolled out, Like how come there's

(01:30:28):
so much bias in one direction with everything this system
turns out, like chat GPT for example.

Speaker 15 (01:30:34):
That's a great question. So my book gets into this issue.
It's a real issue, the idea of racism, sexism, and bias.
And what you're talking about is the way that these lllms,
these large language models are trained and when they're trained effectively,
what's happening is for your audience. The tech companies like

(01:30:56):
open ai and Microsoft that are building the llms, they're
taking a corpus of information and data from humanity and
feeding them into the computer to give the effectively the
intelligence the artificial intelligence life. But let's face it, a
lot of that information is not just faulty in the

(01:31:16):
way that you spoke about garbage in garbage out, but
it's also missing huge blocks of data. So think in
terms of like the mid century, nineteen fifties, when certain
parts of our population weren't included, weren't even able to
draft certain research papers and research studies. So if you

(01:31:36):
look at, for example, the Nobel Prize winners going through
the forties and the fifties, they're typically just representative of
one gender, of one skin color, and we're missing out
a ton of points of view. There are no women
winners in the Noble Award arena in the nineteen fifties
because they weren't allowed to participate. So the other issue

(01:31:59):
that's never going to be fixable, it will always be
biased to your point, is the fact that those points
of view are not included from that time period when
these lms were trained. So it really is an issue,
but it is getting better. So there's the issue of
let's say, explicit bias, which I think is what you
were focused on. But then there's this implicit bias which

(01:32:21):
is going to stay forever.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
I'm talking with Mark Beckman offered the book some future day,
how AI is going to change everything? And any book
you suggest that artificial intelligence might have the ability to
strengthen family bonds and improve the quality of our home
lives along how might that work out? And still, what
are you referring to?

Speaker 15 (01:32:42):
Okay, I love that you bring it up, And I'm
going to give you an example of something that came
my way. As you can imagine, because of the book,
all I'm doing is meeting people who are coming at
me and talking about artificial intelligence.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
All day every day.

Speaker 15 (01:32:54):
And this is a crazy story, but it's true, and
you know, maybe it's good. So there's a couple, a
young couple probably in their thirties living in Texas that
came to me and they were like, we want to
tell you the story. We've been fighting like crazy, and
I guess the husband has a lack of desire to
be cooperative with his wife and go to a marriage

(01:33:16):
counselor so they negotiated and the deal is, believe it
or not, It's nuts. Is that chat GPT is the
marriage counselor and every time they have an argument, they
enter their arguments into chatch Ept to find a resolution.
And as weird as the sounds, it's true and it's
been helping their marriage. So this is like one of

(01:33:39):
the most bizarre, Like I definitely didn't write about this
in the book, Like this wasn't something I expected. But
people are becoming creative and now they're using chatch Ept
to have a better married life.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
That's unusual, you know, taking the place of a therapist,
and I can hear people in the therapy community going,
oh my god, AI is going to put me out
of business. But that takes out that human element.

Speaker 13 (01:34:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
If I meet you in person, we sit down and
we talk, I can gauge the type of person you are.
I can see how you react to different situations. I
can understand your emotions and how you know maybe maybe
you're you fly off the handle quickly or you react
differently different based on different subject matters. And I don't
understand how artificial intelligence can can can grasp that human element.
You type of question in my wife and I are

(01:34:22):
fighting about this, that doesn't really fully appreciate the whole
situation that's going on.

Speaker 7 (01:34:27):
I want to take you a little further down this path.

Speaker 15 (01:34:30):
Sure, so I think in terms of a well, first
of all, I want to tell you there will inevitably
be a whole You keep referring to job loss, and
there will definitely be a huge elimination of jobs, white
collar jobs, professionals, lawyers, and the like. And there have

(01:34:50):
already been great advances, and I talk about this in
the book. I break out different business sectors in the
book finance, medicine, the creative industries fashion, art, music, Hollywood,
and there have been tremendous advances in the medical industry.
For example. Think in terms of discovering diagnosing illnesses. Google

(01:35:12):
created a vertical called Amy. It's a type of artificial
intelligence that they've trained and almost with one hundred percent accuracy.
Now they could discover and diagnose rare diseases and old
diseases that have even been eliminated from society. So they're
doing great with that. But think about this. Imagine if
you have a child who is ten years old and

(01:35:34):
she's starting to struggle with some issues, and you use
artificial intelligence to diagnose what your child's mental illness might
be and then from there you can go.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
To a doctor and start working with a doctor.

Speaker 15 (01:35:46):
Well, the child will also have at you know, I
think eventually really soon, actually, like it's on us now,
an AI agent which could work with them in so
many different ways. And that AI agent that could serve
almost as like a technological like robotic type of therapists,
will also remember all of your child's issues. The child

(01:36:09):
might feel freer speaking to something that is just a robot,
let's say, versus an human, and that that artificial intelligence
will remember all of your child's fears and frailties and
issues and problems that take that along with her for
her entire life. They're going to see the same thing
change as it relates to education tutors, where you know, forever,

(01:36:32):
the artificial intelligence will build and work with your child
in different ways from an academic perspective, they'll build on
it through years and years and years of fostering a
relationship and training itself in a specialized way specific to
your child's needs. So again these are like foreign concepts,
but there could be benefits. And again my perspective is

(01:36:52):
AI is simply a tool. It's only math, and it
should be not it should not be replacing the professionals
and the humans. But if the if the professionals could
use them as a tool, it could provide our society
with tremendous benefits.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
Lots to take in here, get a copy of it
some future day. How AI is going to change everything.
It's been a pleasure talking with you. Mark Beckman. Really
appreciate the time he spit with my listeners to me,
and I am sure they're going to grab up a
copy of that book fifty five cares dot Com to
do so. Thanks for your time. Have a wonderful day,
my friend just shive eight o five. You're a fifty
five KRSD talk station. Happy Thursday. My next guest her

(01:37:31):
name Mary Greybar. She's a Resident Fellow of the Alexander
Hamilton Institute for the Study of Western Civilization and the
founder of I Love This Even the organization the Dissident
Profit Education Project, taught to college level for twenty years,
most recently at Emory University. Or work has been published
by the federalist town Hall, Front Page Magazine, City Journal,
American Greatness, and Academic Questions. And she's written a book.

(01:37:52):
We're talking about today debunking fd R, the Man and
the Myths. Welcome to the fifty five Cars Morning Show. Mary,
it's a pleasure to have you on this morning.

Speaker 11 (01:38:00):
Well, thank you, it's great to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
When I think of FDR, I first think of my grandfather,
who was a lifelong Democrat, because FDR gave him a
job when he was a teenager in the Civilian Conservation
Corps and that was enough to win over his long
lifelong support for the Democrat Party, even though he was
voting for the indefensible quite often. We used to get
in political arguments when I was younger. But God rest

(01:38:25):
his soul. But he also was the father of term limits.
We're bringing about the twenty second amendment.

Speaker 11 (01:38:34):
Yeah, well I've heard of others, you know, who had
warm failings for FDR. Because of the Civilian Conservation Corps.
People were very desperate, and so that was part of
his strategy, was to give things to people who were
suffering under the depression. I mean, it wasn't from his

(01:38:57):
personal fortune, it was from tech payers. And then to
seem like, you know, the magnificent leader. Yes, and so
you know, you have those emotional resonances and they still
exist and it's passed on, you know. I mean, some
people can understand while this was part of a strategy,

(01:39:19):
but others think, you know, well we need to continue
with that kind of program.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
Well, people easily refer to him in such awe was
this great or all? He was a great guy. He
got us we won World War Two. He got us
out of the Great Depression, and perhaps maybe we got
out of the Great Depression because of World War Two.
I've always kind of looked at it that way. It
put a lot of people to work in the defense industry,
and it put a lot of people overseas fighting wars,
and that in large parts help us. Helped us turn

(01:39:46):
around the country, didn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:39:48):
Well, yeah, and it's a little deceptive because you know,
you had, you know, millions of working age men who
were fighting overseas, so those unemployment figures were deceptive. It
wasn't really until after the war that the economy rebounded, so,
you know, and a lot of people at the time,

(01:40:12):
you know, leading up to the war, we're thinking, you know,
he's such a failure. I mean, the economy is still
so bad, you know, twenty percent unemployment, and hey, maybe
he's thinking of war to get us out of this mess.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Yeah, and Europe, of course, that's what there's go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:40:29):
I'm sorry, Oh yeah, I mean that's what a lot
of the critics were saying, you know at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Yes, and you know, the United States remained completely unscathed.
So the rest of the industrial complex around the world,
you pretty much bombed out mess of all of Europe
and in England. So we seem to be the recipients
of a lot of business potential and opportunity because the
rest of the world still needed goods.

Speaker 11 (01:40:53):
Yes, And it was the same thing, you know, after
World War One, so you had the industrialists, the manufacturers,
you know, rebuilding Europe. Yeah. And the thing was, you know,
the war could have been ended a couple of years sooner,
according to many historians. But uh, you know, Franklin Roosevelt,

(01:41:18):
this is one of the things I point out as
I go through his early history and his early political career.
He just had this hatred of Germans. And I'm not
talking just about Nazis, I'm talking about your you know,
your ethnic German and he would not consider uh, you know,
having an agreement and uh, you know, ceasing fighting even

(01:41:41):
though there were uh you know, Germans resisting Hitler at
the time, he insisted on unconditional surrender. He wanted to
make Germany completely pastoral, wipe out all industry, uh, divided
up into different segments, and make her completely powerless.

Speaker 1 (01:42:02):
My understanding he had he was in thrall of Stalin.
And I mostly remember uh FDR along the lines of
the guy that sold out Eastern Europe at Yalta. So
did I mean, did he not cave in or capitulate
the Stalin at Yalta in giving up the European of
the Eastern European countries and turning them into communist nations.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (01:42:27):
Absolutely, And that happened even before a Tehran. And you know,
he was infatuated with Stalin. Anything Stalin wanted, uh, you know,
uh FDR was like this defrauded lover, you know, appealing
to him. I mean, he had so many opportunities, you know, uh,

(01:42:49):
you know, with lens lease and supplying uh you know,
military equipment and food and everything else, uh to you know,
rein him in. But he ever did. I mean, he
was an absolutely awful negotiator, and he carved up Poland
and told him you know, but I can't announce this

(01:43:11):
until after the election in nineteen forty, because you know,
American polls were voters, and he wanted them to vote
for him, and they were you know, pretty solidly Democrats.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
Well, did he also have a hatred for Japan because
he is famous for rounding up Japanese American citizens. Most
only one of my dad's friends, who was a very
young child at the time, ended up in an internment camp.
They lost their house and we're we're in a camp.
I mean that that to me is like, I mean,
one of the bigger human rights abuses that have ever
been conducted by a president.

Speaker 11 (01:43:43):
Well, and he also did that to Germans, you know,
Germans who lived here in the United States. You know,
there was no due process. You know, if someone heard
a neighborhood someone speaking German or getting German public aid,
they were put under suspicion. I mean, there was no
due process. And they were also interns. But yes, Roosevelt

(01:44:08):
did hate the Japanese. He had a soft spot for
the Chinese because and he'd never been to China, although
he you know, claimed to be an expert on China.
But it was because his grandfather made his fortune by
pushing opium in China and he thought that Japanese. Yeah, yeah,
I go into that quite a bit, and he always

(01:44:30):
denied it in his story. A lot of historians have
downplayed it or outright denied it. But yeah, he was
an opium pusher.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
How about this is the first time I've ever heard that.
We always hear the stories about the Kennedy family making
money off prohibition, but I was not aware of that history.
That's that's frightening.

Speaker 11 (01:44:52):
Yes, and it's been suppressed for a long time. And
I go into quite a bit of detail about it
in my book. And you know, the point of the
Japanese even before he was inaugurated, he told you know,
his future cabinet members that you know, he foresaw war
with Japan. So this is you know, in nineteen early

(01:45:16):
nineteen thirty three. He was inaugurated in March, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Wow. But there have been rumors swirling for years that
maybe he even knew about the impending and bombing of
Pearl Harbor. Is there any truth to that notion?

Speaker 11 (01:45:32):
Well, I don't know if that will ever be proven
because a lot of the records have been destroyed and
he did not keep diaries, but he did tell Admiral
Richardson James L. Richardson that he would not remove the
fleet from Hawaii. Richardson said, you know, they're vulnerable. So

(01:45:54):
he said, I can't do this in an election year.
It's nineteen forty. So he, uh, you know, put Richardson
in a different spot and put in Kimmel, who was
more you know, agreeable, And so he was warned about that.
And he was trying to provoke war. I mean, you know,
as I point out in an article that I had

(01:46:17):
published recently. Also, you know, when he and Churchill met
at Placentia Bay, he said, you know, I am going
to provoke war. I want I want to have a provocation.
I want an incident. He was hoping that it would
be around the Philippines. You know, he didn't think that

(01:46:37):
the Japanese were smart enough to send such a bombing mission,
you know that you know, destroyed the fleet and killed
almost three thousand men. But they were you know, he
thought that the Japanese were sneaky and not very smart.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Well, I know he's perceived as this, you know, a
champion of the working crass and a class in the press. Obviously,
he had a great depression to camp pain On along
those lines. I suppose the failure of the Hoover administration
helped him, But what was his driving motivation? Is it
just simply a typical politician power struggle and wanting to
be a powerful, controlling man.

Speaker 11 (01:47:15):
Yes, he wanted to be a dictator. He was called
a dictator when he was first inaugurated. Some people said,
we need a dictator to get us out of the depression.
But his ambition from the time he was a boy,
or at least a freshman at Harvard, as he told
a girlfriend or he hoped would be his girlfriend, that

(01:47:37):
he thought he would be president. And he followed in
the footsteps of his cousin, his distant cousin, Theodore Roosevelt,
and you know, planned out his political path of you know,
one a seat to the New York State Senate, then
became assistant Secretary of the Navy, just like you know,

(01:47:57):
t R. Was ran for vice president with Knox, with
Cox I'm sorry, and you know then of course came
down with polio. And but he did, you know, when
the governorship served two terms and you know, he was
looking for an opportunity. A lot of people think he

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was just you know, floundering around. Well, meaning during the depression.
But as I point out.

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
From a speech that he gave at the People's.

Speaker 11 (01:48:27):
Forum in Troy, New York in March nineteen twelve, he
believed that the Founding Fathers had it a little wrong.
They wanted independence, but what they really wanted was cooperation
and interdependence. And he already was talking about the compulsory
programs that he would set up in the New Deal.

(01:48:49):
So this is nineteen twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Well, was he a fan of the Woodrow Wilson style government?
You know, dictatorial from top down and you know, the
the govern of experts dictating the terms of condition of
our lives. Is that his mold.

Speaker 14 (01:49:06):
A little bit.

Speaker 11 (01:49:06):
He was not a great reader or a student, you know,
he was, you know, living in that milieu of progressivism.
I don't think he consciously followed Woodrow Wilson's program, but
they coincidentally matched because Franklin Roosevelt, you know, grew up

(01:49:28):
in the Hudson Valley and the kind of feudalistic system
he thought of himself as, you know, being sort of
lord of the nation, and that top down system, you know,
aligns with progressivism. Yes, so he had these kind of
vague notions but and he, you know, he did see
himself as being powerful, more powerful than the other two

(01:49:52):
branches of government.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Well, and I guess I have to ask, because you know,
mister Fireside, Chad Fdr. Everybody's like sort of Grand Fi
figure offering us, you know, comfort and solace in our
in our difficult times. Excuse me, ma'am. What was he
really like behind the scenes? Was he that you know,
decent reasonable guy or was he kind of boil it
down as there was he kind of a jerk because

(01:50:14):
a lot of people's public persona is not the way
they really run the run the ship.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
That's right.

Speaker 11 (01:50:20):
Yes, he was a master of the radio. That was
a new medium. That was you know, and so was Mussolini.
But I quote extensively from a fellow Groten student, Francis Biddle,
who became his uh Attorney general ultimately, and he writes
about what he would do to the people closest to him.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:50:46):
He had a way of catching them when they were
most vulnerable and then sort of attacking them with something
that was very hurtful, and he had pleasure in doing that.
There's something sadistic about him, and even I don't know
if you know I'm not a psychologist, but when he

(01:51:08):
was a boy, he wrote this letter to one of
his governesses about how he liked to watch squirrels die
after he shot them or esque. I know it's there
was definitely a mean streak, and he really was impervious

(01:51:33):
to people's suffering. He was very callous. He's yeah, yeah,
he sent this maybe lieutenant on a He wanted to
send him on a suicide mission to provoke the Japanese.
And you know, given given what I've discovered about his
early life and his pre presidential career, that sounds, you know,

(01:52:00):
like it would be true. I mean, that was his character.

Speaker 1 (01:52:04):
Well, I'm sure there's a DSM diagnosis born somewhere in there,
without question. Name of the book, Debunking FDR The Man
in the Miss my guest today, Mary Grevart. Mary, we
put your book on my blog page fifty five cars
dot com so my listeners can easily get a copy
learn about the realities of FDR rather than the myths
and legends we've been fed all these years. Mary, It's
been an interesting conversation. It's a wonderful book, and I

(01:52:25):
know my listener is going to really enjoy reading it.
And I can't thank you enough for the time he
spoke my listeners today, just scratching the surface of the
man who is or was FDR.

Speaker 11 (01:52:34):
Well, thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
SAH had me thirty fifty five krc DE Talk Station.
A very happy Friday to you, bry Thomas. Please to
welcome to the five Carsey Morning Show. Offer of a
couple of books we're going to be talking about today.
My guest Richard Lyons, author of the two books we
will be speaking about today, as I mentioned, the DNA
of Democracy Volume one and Shadows of the Acropolis Volume two.
Born and raised in the Midwest, education took him through
Loyola Academy, University of North Caro, North Texas, and graduate

(01:53:00):
with career at Southern Methodist University. He's been a lifelong
admired of the written word, which has led him to
a literary pursuits as a poet, essays and so screenwriter,
also a third generation printer. Welcome to the program, mister Lyons.
It's a pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 16 (01:53:14):
Oh great to be with you, Brian.

Speaker 5 (01:53:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Now let's start with the DNA of Democracy. You do
a long history analysis of this from the Ten Commandments
all the way through modern times how democracy is formed,
you know, And I'm thinking about the Ten Commandments, and
I've always tried to contemplate this. I try to be
Switzerland in my approach to the Morning Show. I have
many in my audience who are very religious. I have agnostics,

(01:53:37):
I've got atheists. But I've always thought to myself, you
know what if you if you weren't religious, you're Moses
sitting on a mountain and you were the head of
the tribe, and you left to sort of contemplate life's problems,
you probably would have come up with the Ten Commandments
as you sit there and contemplate, why is it that
our neighbors are fighting amongst themselves? Why is it something? Well,
it's because you coveted your neighbor's wife, or but it's

(01:53:57):
because you cover your covetous and greedy generally, you know,
don't do that stuff and you'll live a happier life.

Speaker 16 (01:54:04):
No, that's great, Brian, and very true. It's common sense,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
It is?

Speaker 16 (01:54:08):
But it's also it's also the first And people don't
get this, and everybody should, even humanists, that the Ten
Commandments were the first common law. They were the first
law that entailed both kings and priests and had a
common law to which applied to the whole society, not

(01:54:28):
just some I like that. I look at that, and
that is that is a real foundation of British common
law and our common law. So that's where I see
it as a as a contributing element to our democracy.
And also there are rights entailed to that right if
you don't come it, you have a right to your
own property, right, thou shalt not steal. You have a

(01:54:52):
right to your own life, thou shalt not murder. These
are things that are also cornerstones of democracies.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Unalienable rights. And I always think of things, hey, I
derive from God. It derived from God because the greatest illustration.
And I talk to Judge Enata Palaton about this all
the time on my program, he's on every week. If
you were in the state of nature, if you were
plunked down in the field before there was organized police, religion,
a government, you have the right to defend yourself. You
have the right to own property, you have the right

(01:55:21):
to hunt and gather and eat, and all of these
things come built into the package, and only a government
institution or perhaps sometimes religious organization can take them away
from you. Yes, correct, that's right.

Speaker 16 (01:55:35):
But it's derived from God, as from the mount brought
down by Moses. No power on earth can take those
rights away. And that's the point. They're inalienable.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Why are we as a people so willing to want
to give those up? I understand we must interact and coexist,
but that's where a system of laws comes in that
are supposed to be designed to protect these unalienable rights.
And yet people are almost fearful of being free and
being able to have these choices, but being also responsible

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for these choices.

Speaker 16 (01:56:10):
Yeah, I think you know, there's an allure to big
government and we've been subject to that now, Brian for decades. Yes,
where the people look to big government and they say,
you know you can. And it comes from World War two,
the great success in World War Two. After that, people said, well,
the government can do no wrong, and we should look
to government to solve all of our problems because they

(01:56:31):
solve the problem of Hitler and Japan. And it became
a mindset in America that a centralized government in Washington,
DC can solve all of society's will was, and the
allure to people is, well, if they are solving my problem,
I don't have to think about it, I don't have
to deal with it. And so we fell prey to

(01:56:52):
that for decades and now we're just waking up to
the other side of that coin, and that is that
governments can all so oppress. They can also overtax you.
They can also spend your money really stupidly. So this
is a good mindset we're discovering now with Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
Indeed, and you know, it's interesting on the heels of
my conversation with doctor James Thorpe, who exposed how devastating
the COVID nineteen vae vaccine is and was for pregnant mothers.
That's that Woodrow Wilsonian, a government of experts kind of thing.
Just let us tell you how it is, and then
you just listen to us and just don't deny anything

(01:57:33):
we tell you. And we find out we're being lied
to all the time.

Speaker 16 (01:57:38):
And Fauci was the poster boy for that. Really, and
for a government, well think about this, Brian, for a
government to have the supposed right to inject something into
your body, I mean, there's nothing more invasive than that
and to give government the right to do that is

(01:57:59):
antidemocratic really, and when you don't question what they're doing,
that's very anti democratic.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
Well, I fascinating reality we're living with here. Do you
think we are all actually collectively waking up to this?
Do you think we're going to have some movement back
toward these fundamental liberties that we shouldn't take for granted,
that based upon all the lies that we now perceive,
and thanks in large part to the Internet, that these
alternative voices and these realities can actually be brought to

(01:58:27):
the American people, that there's going to be maybe a
renaissance of that type of attitude.

Speaker 16 (01:58:32):
No, and think about your show, think about what you know.
I attributed to Rush Limbaugh what he started as an
independent voice that became national and alternative.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
And proved to be right.

Speaker 16 (01:58:45):
And so this decentralization of power I hope continues. My
books illustrate how and why our government was created as
a diffused power base. So you have states, localities, and
then the fit government. Shadows of the Acropolis chronicles the
last hundred years, and how power from Woodrow Wilson very

(01:59:06):
true concentrated in Washington, d C. Contrary to our constitutional principles.
And so I'm hoping that after that century now we
look at government and and all these discoveries of Elon
Musk about how much money has been wasted, how it's
been how it all happens to end up, my gosh,
in Democrat hands.

Speaker 15 (01:59:27):
That's really funny, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:59:30):
How you know, this cronyism, this this grifter mentality that
you know, issued from the Clinton's on down when the
Democratic Party, I think when people see this and with
the vaccine and all these sorts of things, you know,
government can be wrong, and in fact, government can be dangerous.

(01:59:50):
And when people wake up to that, they'll wake up
to the idea we must shrink the size of the
federal government. We must, you know, put barriers to its
ability to invade our lives.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Amen to that make up just a bunch of intriguing
and wonderful observations and shadow of the shadows of the acropolis.
I guess I wonder you talk about division that exists.
You wonder why the nation feels so politically divided. There
is a constant stirring of the pot of division that
has just become so pronounced over the past fifteen twenty years.
At every turn, you can't have an opinion about someone

(02:00:23):
screaming at you that you are wrong. It doesn't matter
how infintestinally small any given subject matter is. You're not
entitled to speak your mind. The loudest voice in the room,
perhaps even the smallest group of people that abide by
some particular message like that a man can be a woman,
ends up becoming the dominant narrative in a conversation, which
is flies in the face of logic and reason.

Speaker 16 (02:00:45):
Yes, but they had such control Brian of the media
and used it and for decades again. And you know,
it's like someone on the mount preaching to you and
telling you that what is right is wrong and what
is wrong is right, and then demanding that you believe it.
And this is really where I think the Democrat Party

(02:01:08):
went too far. They think they can literally do this
in America, where you do have an alternative media, and
we're the first Bill of Rights, the first Amendment of
the Bill of Rights guarantees free speech. So you cannot
be un American and say you can't speak.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
And isn't that really what that whole anti disinformation campaign
was about. They only wanted one narrative, the one that
they said was the appropriate information. Again, going back to
Fauci or this nonsensical green religion that we've been it's
been forced down our throats in spite of the objective
information and scientific evidence that it's nonsense. You know, carbon
dioxide's plant food, for God's sake, Well it is.

Speaker 16 (02:01:49):
It's a large part of the atmosphere. But think about
the scheme. If the temperature is fifty one degrees, we
can tax you. If it's ninety two degrees, we can
tax you. It's a real engine for money making. And
where's all the money going the money? We have a
virtuous private economy right large, and it's private ownership and

(02:02:11):
it's private enterprise, and we've allowed this centralized government for
a century to grow up on top of it as
a parasitic organism that takes all the fruits of all
those labors into itself and distributes that money to its
friends and fellow politicians. And that's what you see when
you see the EPA giving out twenty billion dollars to

(02:02:35):
eight recipients, one of whom is giving five billion dollars
back to his former employer.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Well, who do you think that is?

Speaker 5 (02:02:43):
I think it's his friend, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (02:02:44):
Yes, We're giving two billion dollars to Stacy Abrams and
then she's funneling it through five other different entities in
this web of corruption. And I really applaud that Elon
Musk is going to go after this. I want the
Justice Department and the Treasury to find out where every
dime is going, Amen, and illustrate it on shows like

(02:03:06):
your own, so that people know, my god, they're taking
this money and doing what with it. They're giving it
to their friends and their kids and other Democrats.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
Yeah, the eight eight million or ten million or twenty
million dollars that went to Zimbabwe or whatever for male
circumcisions didn't actually, it didn't make it nobody right. It
ended up back in Washington with lobbying groups that ended
up put it back in the pockets of politicians for
their re election campaign. And isn't that part of the problem.
We as Americans tend to select some pretty awful people

(02:03:38):
as our representatives. We need to wake up to that
and find better people. Yeah, agreed, there ought to be.

Speaker 5 (02:03:46):
There ought to be.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
You know, the people are.

Speaker 5 (02:03:48):
Their own vetting.

Speaker 16 (02:03:49):
They are the vetting process, and they should really listen
to what politicians are saying and not just say, well,
they have a D by their name, so I'm voting
for them, an R by their name, so I'm voting
for them. You're right, some of these people are not
qualified and really don't think in the people's best interest.
They're looking for a job they can hold for thirty years, yeah,

(02:04:12):
and get paid.

Speaker 1 (02:04:13):
You know, Richly, guys like representatives who think Guam can
capsize if you put another building on it. I mean,
you know, Richard Richard Lions, the author of the two
books we're talking about today, The DNA of Democracy and
Shadows of the Acropulus, Volume two. It's been a great conversation.

(02:04:37):
I really enjoy it, Richard. I know my listeners are
going to love to get the books, and we'll make
it really easy for him by putting a link on
my blog page at fifty five KRC dot com. Keep
up the great work. It's been a real pleasure, man.
I wish we had more time to talk, but thanks
for spending time. They take thirty Here fifty five KRCD
Talk Station are very happy Monday to you. Continuing a
theme of late here in the fifty five KRC Morning Show.

(02:04:58):
We heard from doctor James as well as doctor Robert
Malone about their experiences speaking truth to power during COVID nineteen,
had their licenses pulled, they were attacked. Welcome to the
fifty five KCY Morning Show. Scott Miller, Doctor Scott Miller,
author of The Most Dangerous Man in Washington. That's Washington State, right, doctor, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 6 (02:05:18):
A position to thing. Yes, it was Washington State.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
Oh, okay, okay. Now, you watched this whole COVID thing
unfold and a lot of doctors being you know, diagnosticians
or medical practitioners being diagnosticians kind of saw through the
fog that we were presented. It was a one sided narrative.
You couldn't you couldn't say anything against what doctor Fauci uttered.
It was like God or something, the word of God.

(02:05:41):
So you can't dare question it. But a lot of
people did and they suffer the consequences. Can you explain
to my listening audiences, you know, obviously in brief because
they're gonna want to read the book in detail, but
what happened to you and what were you doing that
flew in the face of this this narrative that we
were being sold.

Speaker 6 (02:05:59):
Yeah, first of all, the thing is almost no ended
if you look at one point two million practitioners in
the United States. The fact that doctor Malone, uh pure core,
doctor Cory, doctor Merrick, doctor mccauff, doctor Cole. We we
know their names because there's so few. I was the

(02:06:20):
only one in the state of Washington that was speaking out,
like actively speaking out because the consequences of doing it
were so high. So there's there's so few of us
that we all know each other's names, which is which
is really sad. But yeah, I I had a a

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I was a single owner, single provider of a pediatric
medical practice. And you know, there are two things that
hit really early on when in March of twenty twenty,
when Fauci and when Anthony Fauci and doctor Deborah Burks
were saying there's no treatment that didn't make any sense,
there's or there's nothing you can do except for being afraid,

(02:07:03):
stay inside and don't have grandma. And then the whole
push when we were told that we can't you know,
we can't go to birthday parties or concerts until seven
billion people are vaccinated and then im mediate you know
that that should make all of us afraid of what

(02:07:25):
the agenda was. So what was happening for me was
I was seeing the initially the damage, the psychological and
emotional damage that was happening to children when schools shut
down and they were home and isolated, and this whole
inculcation of fear that they were rocking vectors of death.

(02:07:46):
And I started speaking out and I ended up being
asked to speak at at a rally at our state
capitol and in May of twenty twenty. And after that,
thing's the government, the state, you know, kind of put
a target on me, and so they started they started
coming after me.

Speaker 1 (02:08:07):
Now, were any of your patients harmed based upon your
alternative treatments? I understand you had some breathing therapies and others.
You know, your observations on the front line in treating
patients obviously brought to your attention that no, there are
ways around this, There are treatments available. The children are
not dropping dead as a consequence of getting COVID, right,
I mean, you can see this in your practice every

(02:08:29):
single day, which goes against the narrative being sold. Didn't
other I guess since other practitioners were following lockstep and
not providing alternative therapies as options. Maybe they didn't see
it well.

Speaker 6 (02:08:42):
They nobody was doing impatient. So on March nineteen, twenty twenty,
everything went to went to telemedicine. I just I never
closed my practice, so I was happy and kids were unaffected.
If a family, you know, mom and dad had COVID
and they were acutely ill, if the kids had very
mild symptoms, and if they were if they had pre

(02:09:04):
existing congitions, if they were asthmatic, I would use breathing treatments.
I'd give them a dose of ibermactin breathing treatments and
they were better in a day or two. I mean
it virtually unaffected children. But you know the problem is
if you're not if you're not seeing people in practice,
or if you're told there's no treatment, how are you
And so you just followed that that kind of like

(02:09:27):
lock steps followed that, How are you going to know
if you're not experimenting, if you're not you know, practicing medicine,
you're not going to know. You know, I would walk
in the homes of somebody that was sent you know,
like an elderly person sent homes in the hospital, and
I'd walk into their home and they were in acute
respiratory failure, and within thirty minutes I could get their

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oxygen from seventy five percent on room air up to
ninety ninety two percent with the therapies we were using,
which is incredible, right. I Mean, it's not like me,
it's the science. So I'm just following the science of
you know, how do we how do we mitigate the
inflammatory damage that's going on? And it was for on

(02:10:07):
ten purposes. It was pretty easy.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
So in these therapies, you didn't invent them as a
consequence of COVID nineteen. If you have a respiratory patient
part of COVID nineteen, these therapies were out there and
known to the medical community, were they not.

Speaker 6 (02:10:20):
Oh yeah, My father in law is an er doctor,
and I was talking to them, like, how come the
hospitals aren't using these? Yeah, and the primary things, especially
early on, this is the crazy thing. We don't want
to nebulize COVID. That was their thing with nebulizing. I'm like,
that doesn't make any sense. It's the dumbest thing I've
ever heard, Right, It's like, I don't want to nebulize influenza.

(02:10:41):
I don't want to nebulize pneumonia. You know, you need
to treat the lungs. And they didn't because part of
the problem was HHS. When when these patients would come
in and they were diagnosed with COVID pneumonia, they couldn't
for them to get full payout using remdesiders of monotherapy.
They couldn't treat with anything else, and they would get,

(02:11:02):
you know, like a twenty percent extra payout in using
Brendserbier's a monotherapy, and then they got it. I mean
I just went through hospital records of a woman last
night who had died and the shoes in the shoes
in the hospital for ten days, and it paid out
two hundred and ninety thousand dollars. I mean, that's a
great model. That's a great business model. You know, like
people living didn't pay out, people dying paid out. It

(02:11:26):
was shocking the billions and billions of dollars hospitals made
on people dying, and.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
So the hospital systems would pressure the doctors for this
one size fits all money making quote unquote therapy or
treatment methodology to the exclusion of other things which clearly
would have worked, thus forcing the doctors to violate their
hippocratic oath. I mean, this is they.

Speaker 6 (02:11:49):
Really don't I don't even know that they forced them.
The doctors. You know when you when you're indoctrinated into
double blind randomized trials and they run they were something
called the Recovery Study where they did different trials with
different steroids, and they came up with this steroid called

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dexonthi zone being the only thing that worked. Nothing else worked,
And so it was adopted in every hospital in every city,
in every state across the country. And every I did
hospital advocacy, I'd be asked to help get people out
of hoss, out of the ic you in all over
the country in every single phone call, and I probably

(02:12:30):
spent I've spent over fifteen hundred hours talking to hospitals
and getting getting getting people out of the ICU or
off ventilators. And it's really not It's sadly, it's really
not that hard if you can convince the doctors to move.

Speaker 4 (02:12:46):
Outside of that checklist.

Speaker 6 (02:12:47):
That they had from the CDC. But they were just
following orders. It wasn't even necessarily pressured. They were just
told this is what works, and they're like, okay, here's
the study, this is what we do it. It was
like every provider in the hostel it became Lemmings.

Speaker 4 (02:13:02):
It was.

Speaker 12 (02:13:03):
It was shocking.

Speaker 6 (02:13:04):
It was it was like the news where you see
the same thing disseminated across these different platforms. It was
the same exact thing. Every doctor I talked to regurgitated
the same exact line. Well, we just don't have enough data,
and we're using we're using the best you know, data
and best science that we had at this time. That
was it was almost verbata in every hospital.

Speaker 1 (02:13:26):
Were there not other studies out there which prove that
to be well contrary to the truth that know, there
are alternatives. I mean you mentioned i remett and that
was labeled as oh my god, a horse d wormer.
That's insane. You can't go using that. And in fact
I have been used for decades apparently zero side effects
and no harm. It is worthy of an effort to
try it out again. Going as a diagnostician looking for

(02:13:49):
the best possible outcome for your patients, you should have
been in a position to be able to at least
try that. Pharmacies were told they couldn't even issue a
prescription for it.

Speaker 6 (02:13:58):
Yeah, so It was July or August of twenty twenty
one where the pharmacy boards came down on the pharma.
They put out basically kind of like HHS with the hostels.
They put out this blanket statement that pharmacists are not
allowed to prescribe bybermectin if it's suspected to treat COVID,

(02:14:18):
which which I ended up buying the equivalent to the
small pharmacy so that I could give it out to
people in conjunction with other therapies, because you know, by
delta ibermectin alone, it wasn't a monotherapy to make it
go away. Once the shots rolled out, people got sicker
and sicker and sicker, and it became much more difficult

(02:14:40):
to treat. But yeah, it was. It's you know, I
go through it in the book, just my experience of
what I was seeing and how we were able to,
you know, anecdotal something that we used to we used
to care about, Like if you have five hundred patients
and you use these therapies and their symptoms went away,

(02:15:02):
you'd be like, hmm, maybe maybe that's the thing. Yeah,
maybe we're onto something. The hospitals it literally didn't matter.
They it was it was so difficult to move the
needle and getting doctors to modify their treatments. They would
they would put somebody that declined mechanical ventilation, they would
put them on comfort care. I mean they would they

(02:15:23):
would literally help assist in their death instead of trying
to literally I mean I had that happen. I mean
I was on the phone as a daughter is laying
over her mom as their administering meditations to kill her
mom instead of treating her.

Speaker 1 (02:15:38):
Oh my god. And ultimately, this is a money thing.
Ive remeced in generic. It's cheap, it doesn't cost much
manufacturer at least to pay for a pharmaceutical like a
brand new COVID vaccine is worth a lot of money
to the manufacturer. And certainly when you're when you're issuing
it under emergency use authorization and you're free from liability
associated with the dangers inherent in it, you're obviously going

(02:16:01):
to have an incentive to push it. So it really
is it to you? Does this boil down to money?
Is that what this was all about?

Speaker 4 (02:16:10):
Control?

Speaker 1 (02:16:12):
Money and control?

Speaker 6 (02:16:13):
There's money, but it's control. If you look at if
you look at how they were able to I mean
I looked at it as kind of a you know,
a phase one systems test to see how they could
manipulate an entire country to you know, moms and dads
that own small businesses that are told they're non essential,

(02:16:33):
like that word alone. Yet there's a liquor store that's open.
When you look at how they were able to manipulate
and control us, and they did it. I mean I
watched it happening in real time, and it's one of
the reasons I went and spoke at the Capital trying
to encourage people not just about the you know, the
bioweapon that was released, but like our fundamental freedoms and rights.

(02:16:57):
And it was like, don't stand up. I mean kids,
you know, kids not able to go to the park
or play with their friends. Well, we're told, you know,
we were told we're not able to.

Speaker 12 (02:17:07):
And my whole goal.

Speaker 6 (02:17:08):
Is to try and try and disseminate truth and you know,
wake up my community to aggressively resist this narrative that
was happening. And the problem is it's still happening in
every hospital. I was on the phone with the hospital
last night until two in the morning, and fortunately beyond

(02:17:28):
call doctor actually listened and we're able to adjust to
a number of therapies. But it's the same thing. Nothing's
changed in the hospitals, apart from now being able to
go in and be with your loved one, but they're
still doing the exact same things.

Speaker 1 (02:17:41):
Yes, right using Scott right here in the city Sincinnati,
very famous hospital, it's really well respected. Children since my
children's hospital refused a heart transplant because the child or
the parents of the child would not allow her to
get a COVID nineteen vaccine for religious reasons. And you
got to scratch your head in one since a COVID
nineteen vactor, since children really don't succumb to the disease anyway,

(02:18:03):
and COVID nineteen vaccine apparently causes heart problems at least,
it's been a lot of information demonstrating that it seems counterintuitive,
but there you have it, denying that patient a chance
at life because of one vaccine.

Speaker 6 (02:18:15):
Well, and the other thing, which is it's not just sad,
it's criminal, and the fact that they had to get
a religious exemption because they couldn't find the doctor to
give them a medical exemption, because if they granted them
a medical exemption, they would come under scrutiny of.

Speaker 1 (02:18:31):
The state well, and they didn't acknowledge the religious exemption.
As of right now, as it stands, she's not getting
the heart transplant unless there's information out there that I'm
not aware of. Scott Miller, the most dangerous man in Washington.
The name of the book, Scott. We got your book
on my blog page at fifty five cares dot com
with the link where people can get it, and I
will strongly encourage them to do so. Everybody loves it.

(02:18:53):
You've got five star rating across the board on Amazon,
so congratulations on that and thank you from the bottom
my heart and everyone else's your stroke. You spoke truth
to power. You suffered the consequences of it, but you've
been vindicated, my friend, and that's got to feel good. Scott.
It's been a real pleasure having you on the program
today and thanks for all that you have done and
continue to do. It is eight oh five right now,

(02:19:18):
fifty five CARSD Talk Station, A very happy Wednesday to you.
I've been looking forward to this all morning. I am
pleased to welcome to the fifty five Carsee Morning Show.
One of the January sixth defendant spent quite some time,
quite a bit of time in jail, and he's now
the executive director of two different groups we're going to
be learning about today, Stand the Gap and the Real
Jay six. Shane Jenkins, Welcome to the fifty five KRSEE

(02:19:38):
Morning Show. It's a real pleasure to have you on.

Speaker 13 (02:19:41):
Thank you so much. It's honor to be here with
you this morning.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
Well, and I'm bringing your biography. Man, You've got a
hell of a story to tell. You have lived a
rather transformative life and one of redemption as well. Just
give my listeners a little bit of background about your
early childhood and into the teenage years before you well
woke up and discovered a higher power.

Speaker 4 (02:20:02):
Yes, sir, When I was twelve or thirteen years old.

Speaker 13 (02:20:04):
I found out I was adopted, and I had a
really adverse reaction to that. I had what I would
call an identity crisis at a very young age, and
I set out to create what I thought the persona
of this man that I thought Saint Jenkins was a lie.
Honestly and so I said, as an immature young boy,
started to create what I thought a man was, which

(02:20:25):
was an angry, violent people, somebody that people feared or
respected in the wrong ways, which led me down a
very dark path. I turned away from school and sports
and my family, and you know, I began to look
at my biological family is like I wondered what was
so wrong with me that they didn't want me right
my own mom could throw me away, and so I

(02:20:47):
was a very wounded young man turned to the streets,
you know, and ended up in jail by the age
of sixteen till age nineteen. Watched my friends shoot and
kill a guy shoot two other people when I was
in the car with them, and so I went down
in Texas as a laws of accessory if I had

(02:21:07):
full the trigger, and so I did three years for
that got out when I was nineteen. My mom married
this violent and alcoholic, drug addic, abusive man, and he
went to jail twice.

Speaker 5 (02:21:17):
To beat my mom.

Speaker 13 (02:21:19):
At the age of twenty, I shot shot and killed
him in self defense. And so here I was sixteen,
whilst my friends killed, I got a few to other people,
and at the age of twenty killed my stepfather and
self defense was acquitted by a grand jury, no charges.

Speaker 5 (02:21:33):
But still I.

Speaker 13 (02:21:33):
Had in my mind, we had the blood of my
blood and blood of my stepfather's wife on my hands,
right and so and uh, well, and so that let
me down a very dark path. I had this guilt
and shame from killing my stepdad, even though it was
in self defense, even though it was in defense of
my mom and of myself, and it just really led

(02:21:54):
me down a dark path. Three tricks to prison as adults,
and after my adopted mom passed away my third trip
to adult prison, Jesus Christ met me there in a
prison cell, thank god, and then salvaged me from busting
the gates. The hill a lot open.

Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
So since you, you know, achieved this enlightenment and this
awakening through Christianity, obviously changed your life for the better,
and you've been running a straight and narrow path ever since,
I presume.

Speaker 4 (02:22:24):
Well, yeah, other than the buffer the road that we
called Anywuary six.

Speaker 1 (02:22:28):
We're going to get to that, and that, of course
is a nice segue to talk about that. So you're
in the Capitol.

Speaker 5 (02:22:33):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:22:34):
What what led you to be at the Capitol on
January sixth, ultimately leading to your arrest and imprisonment?

Speaker 13 (02:22:39):
All right, Well, like I had, like I said, I
had been in out of trouble a lot of my
life criminally and the twenty nineteen I got off roll,
had given my life to Christ in twenty sixteen, and
so my politics sprang from my faith. Right, I've started
the value life and all these things and gave my
life to Christ again in twenty sixteen. And this started
watching the persecuton and President Trump, and so I finally

(02:23:03):
wanted to vote in the twenty twenty election. Voted early
in Texas, then watched the election election night, which I
had a lot of questions about the twenty and twenty elections.
Still do manipulated the election at bess stolen at worst
is what I would say, you know. President Trump sent
out the tweet said come to d C, joined the
Stop of Steel rally will be wild in all caps.

(02:23:25):
And I had never been to d C, never been
to a Trump rally. Wanted to go protests and request
that they send the electors back to the states so
they could do an investigation in these states that were
won by very small margins. And so I went and
got and got drugged up into the crowd, and so
the melee was watching people be assaulted, was assaulted myself

(02:23:49):
found out actually about it. Was murdered inside the Capitol
while I was there on the lower West Airace.

Speaker 4 (02:23:54):
And.

Speaker 1 (02:23:56):
You know, it was a lot, and ultimately you were charged.
What led to the charges I see was eight phlonies
and one misdemeanor. And this in connection with your activities
in the Capitol on January sixth. What did they say
you did?

Speaker 13 (02:24:11):
They said, they said that I assaulted police officers, which
after watching people be assaulted for no reason, being assaulted
myself for taking no action against police officers finding out
they had shot and killed somebody inside the capital, on
top of feeling like they were stealing an election, covering
up the steel of an election, I finally lost my

(02:24:31):
tool and I did. I did throw sticks what you
would say like flag sticks, a broken piece of a crutch,
a death drawer. I did so those items at fully
riot geared, armored, helmeted shield police officers. And I'm accountable
for that.

Speaker 1 (02:24:48):
I understand, and I appreciate you but willingness to omit
your accountability, but you know, you have to observe, and
I observe, and I can't forgive violence against police officers,
and this is why they end up taking it to
But you know, this is really an illustration of selective
prosecution because a lot of those BLM and anti file
folks were out in the streets throwing bombs, fireworks that

(02:25:11):
exploded at police officers, throwing frozen water bottles and other
articles similar to what you threw at police officers. I
don't recall a mass round up and prosecution of any
of those folks. Do you recall them an each chain?

Speaker 5 (02:25:23):
No, not at all.

Speaker 4 (02:25:24):
And I will say this Rose another woman died fifteen
feet from me on the Lower West sair series Roseanne Boiling.
And then not only that, but when they came and
raided my house here in Houston, they sent the head
of the Joint Terrorism Task Force from the FBI to
raid my house along with Houston Squat. They also labeled
me a Tier one anti government extremists whenever at worst

(02:25:47):
I threw Dick's, got caught up in the heat of
the moment and threw sticks of police, but that they
determined that I wanted to overtow the government by those actions.

Speaker 13 (02:25:55):
And was a terrorist.

Speaker 5 (02:25:57):
Well, India is absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (02:25:59):
And based your your your prior criminal background, which you
obviously admitted and admit regularly in your in the context
of your your transformation and your enlightenment that was not
related to political activity.

Speaker 5 (02:26:10):
Was it. No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 1 (02:26:13):
So okay, So you go through the trial and of
course I'm sure there was a biased jury there given
the location of the venue your You're found guilty at trial,
so they sentence you to what was your sentence.

Speaker 13 (02:26:28):
Eighty six months, which is seven years?

Speaker 1 (02:26:31):
Seven years? Okay. It seems excessive in the light of
the modern criminal process we have today, where everyone gets
off for almost murder. That's more more time than people
that commit murder get And you were in not you
were in nine prisons as well as what they call
the DC gulog. How much time did you end up
spending in prison?

Speaker 13 (02:26:50):
I've spent forty six and a half months or fourteen
hundred and eighteen long days.

Speaker 1 (02:26:55):
Yeah, not like you were counting Shane in twenty four
of which were pre trial. So did they deny you
a bond hearing? Did they say no bond?

Speaker 15 (02:27:07):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:27:07):
Absolutely, they said no bonds.

Speaker 1 (02:27:10):
Now did they.

Speaker 13 (02:27:10):
Refer they were afraid that we were going to have
another rally and something else was going to happen, And like,
like I had never been in trouble for going to
political rally and getting out of control like I was
Antifa or something. They said, no, you're you're a threat
to society.

Speaker 1 (02:27:25):
Okay, And I'm sure they brought into evidence to your
criminal background absolutely of course unrelated to the to the
protest against the government. All right, So what was it
like in what we call the DC gulag Shane?

Speaker 13 (02:27:40):
That was absolutely horrific? I had I had, Like I said,
I've been to many different veils of Texas and prisons
and stuff. Never have I been denied visits with my
family for two years. Never have I been denied religious
services for two years. Never have I been denied haircuts
for a year. Never have I been denied your nail
clippers to nail clippers for a year, which is all

(02:28:02):
things that they did at the Dcjail, not to mention,
sent officers in to assault people, pepper stray people, throw
us in solitary confinement for no reason. And so it
was a you know, you throw us in this ninety
seven percent Biden district with well I call the Rainbow Brigade.
You had the black lesbian anybody above a regular officer

(02:28:23):
grade was a black lesbian woman. And they hated Donald
Trump and Trump supporters that they would spit on the
floor at his hearing his name, and so.

Speaker 1 (02:28:32):
Okay, it was that that's where that treatment comes from.
I can understand that. Yeah, bias within the prison system. Anyhow,
Shane Jenkins, you decided you were going to do something
about it and you were going to help out folks
in the future while you were in jail. Tell my
listeners about your sort of your idea behind the Real
J six and ultimately stand the gap.

Speaker 4 (02:28:54):
Yes, sir, we started a nonprofit. Well, we started the
LLC the Real j six first just to kind of
put out newslet to sell merchandise T shirts people that
want to support us, and to get guys' stories out.

Speaker 13 (02:29:06):
Then as the kind of evolved, we realized that we
were paying taxes on that money, so we started the
nonprofit because we also wanted to do justice reform in
the future. In the meantime, we wanted to help January
six ers.

Speaker 4 (02:29:16):
So we still sell merchandise on the Real Day six.

Speaker 13 (02:29:19):
But we are a nonprofit at standindegap dot Foundation and
we are currently helping January sixth.

Speaker 5 (02:29:26):
Guys right now.

Speaker 13 (02:29:27):
We're working on credit repair and for health care because
you know, we were kidnapped by the FBI, so everybody's
credit was shot all.

Speaker 1 (02:29:35):
To nothing, bad, all bad.

Speaker 13 (02:29:38):
And then health care in the prison system is terrific,
So we want to be able to fund guys going
to the doctors, going to the dentists. And then we're
also working on a thing called Mission Memory Maker, where
we're fully funding a three to five day vacation with
the January sixth defendant and their family and children, so
they can get away for three to five days, no
expense to them, paid for airfare, resort, paid for meals, everything.

(02:30:04):
Because you know, the pressure is on the man right
now for the most at I say man, and there's
women too, but for the most part, the men to
get back to work because the wife has been out
there typically raising the children on a single income where
it was typically two incomes for the last four years.
So the pressure is on the man to get back
to work typically. So we want to ease that burden

(02:30:25):
and that stress and just pay for their vacation so
they can get away and just have no worries and
love on each other and just get back to some
type of normalcy in their lives.

Speaker 1 (02:30:36):
Oh, it's a nice thing for you to do. You've
been through the ring of yourself and you know what
it's all about. So it's nice that you'd step up
to the plate for the other Jay six fos. You know,
I see other component of this is and I think
about Ashley Babbitt, that that was not a justifiable use
of deadly force under any circumstances. You know, I'm a lawyer.
I know the law when it comes to use of
deadly force. She did not represent an eminent threat to anyone.

(02:31:00):
She was snaking through a window that had been broken out,
and they guned her down. And I think about that,
and it's like, how that that person has never been
held accountable. That person has never been hauled into the
view of social media, the person that shot her and
criticized and condemned for killing really what amounted to a
totally innocent, unarmed woman.

Speaker 13 (02:31:20):
No absolutely and somebody and shooting my stepdad and self defense.
I'm very familiar with self dist that self defense of
the third third party, and so she had no weapons
in her hand. There was nobody vulnerable and en danger
right there. It was an ambush. She ambushed her coming
through that window of a veteran of our Air force
wounded in combat. It's just a horrible, horrible It is.

Speaker 1 (02:31:46):
It is, And that's kind of why I emphasized the
Ashley Babbitt story because I think it's one of the
most egregious examples of, you know, the treatment of people there,
but also because you've been through down that road based
on your history and your life. As you just reminded folks,
you had to kill your stepfather because the threat that
he opposed to you, So you know the law too
in that realm, and of course the law allowed you
to escape having to go to prison for that, and

(02:32:07):
I hate to live with the reality of I fully
appreciate where you're coming from in terms of the stress
that that has left you with. Emotionally, no one would
ever want to take the life of another human being
and could ever forget it after it's done. But that's
the agree to sign in the law enforcement. But the
treatment of people that just engaged in innocuous behavior like
just strolling through the capital, that the idea that they

(02:32:29):
were rounded up and subject to the judicial system is
really mind boggling to me, particularly given the comparison to
how the left wing protesters were treated and not bothered
at all in terms of law enforcement.

Speaker 13 (02:32:40):
Well, yeaes, sir, well when to see Tom Tillis yesterday,
Senator Tom till Is saying that people that trespass on
Capitol grounds deserved between thirty days and three years in
prison is absolutely frustrating and ridiculous, especially when you had
groups of massed individuals taking down ski fencing, removing by
cracks next to the DC police, Capitol Police watching them,

(02:33:04):
giving them the thumbs up and allowing them to remove
those barriers and those trespassing signs, which any other day
other than January sixth would not be considered trespassing to
be on Capitol grounds. But he's calling for people to
be in jail and all. It's just so frustrating. Then
he doesn't want to confirm Ed Martin as the DC attorney,

(02:33:24):
and it's just super super frustrating.

Speaker 1 (02:33:26):
I imagine it's like it's like plating assault or vinegar
in your your your current lasting wound. Shane Jenkins the
real J six dot com is where you find Shane
in his organization there, And what's the website for the
Stand in.

Speaker 13 (02:33:42):
The Gap Stand in the Gap dot Foundation?

Speaker 1 (02:33:46):
Oh okay, I saw that. I'm used to seeing a
dot com or a dot org or a dot gov
or something. I never seen a dot foundation, but there
you have it, stand in the gap dot Foundation, and
my listeners really appreciate where you're co and from, Shane,
and as do I Sorry you got run through the ringer,
but you know, it's good that you're out there explaining
the injustice that was involved in what they call the

(02:34:09):
justice that was served there and your voice is fully appreciated.
And I know the other JA sixers who are similarly
treated certainly appreciate what you're doing in your efforts on
their behalf. Shane Jenkins, thank you for spending time with
my listeners of me today. It's been very enlightening. And
I'll have my executive producer put your organization's links on
my blog page at fifty five KRC dot com. So

(02:34:29):
please have this conversation and welcome to the fifty five
CARC Morning Show. Doctor Stanley ka Ridgeley. He's a clinical
full Professor of Strategic Management at Drectional University, holds a
doctor and master's in International International Relations and Security from
Duke University and an International MBA from Temple You Russian
language linguist and former military intelligence officer and author of

(02:34:51):
a book we're talking about today, d EI exposed how
the biggest con of the century almost toppled higher education.
Doctor Ridgeley from the fifty five carsy morning, So it's
a real pleasure to have you on this morning.

Speaker 4 (02:35:03):
Well, hey, the pleasure is all mine, Brian, I appreciate it.
Got a cup of job on my hand. I'm ready
to talk Todi.

Speaker 1 (02:35:08):
All right, we're both java equipped. Good thing to have
at this time of morning. Now, you know, part of
me wants to think that this DEI And just by
way of context, you know how old I am. I'm
fifty nine years old. So this didn't exist up until
almost you know, historically recently, and then all of a sudden,
everybody's created a DEI department. College, universities, corporations have had

(02:35:31):
this shoved down their throats. And part of me wants
to conclude, and maybe you can answer the question for me.
This is made of This is just like a whole
cloth creation designed to provide jobs for people who went
to college and got worthless degrees in social justice. I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:35:48):
Is that about?

Speaker 11 (02:35:50):
You know?

Speaker 4 (02:35:50):
I tell you what. That pretty much strips away the
facade of DEI. These are really skillless individuals who managed
to get onto the university campus and knows how they
managed to do that, but they did it through the
big con that I talk about in DEI exposed. These
are folks with indeed workless degrees and their work that
they like to say they're doing the work of justice

(02:36:11):
and that kind of thing. It's really basically just coercing
people to believe a kind of a make believe world
of the United States as a racist institution, you know,
a racist country, and the colleges and universities are somehow
riven with white supremacy culture. It's a fraud, it's uh,
and it's a real injustice to our students to have

(02:36:32):
admitted these people onto the campuses to perpetuate this nonsense.

Speaker 1 (02:36:36):
Well, and one of the beautiful things about the Trump administration.
Say what you might or will about Donald Trump's administration,
but the Department of Government Efficiency has revealed and shown
to the American people how many billions of dollars are
being shoved into college universities largely in support of DEI initiatives,
as the American tax payer money used to indoctor and
need college students.

Speaker 4 (02:36:57):
Well, that's why the left is so is screaming because
they're being pulled off the teet of government support for
these naxises that they have now have to deal with
accountability and transparency, the kinds of thing that you and
I have to deal with all the time with respect
to the work. These folks want no strings attached money
to perpetuate their ideology. They're being called out, and they're

(02:37:18):
being called out in a way that that universities understand.
You know, funding and bad publicity. These are the only
two things that can get a university to reform itself.
In university and higher education, they've been lacking oversight for
far too long. For instance, Harvard. You know, you've got Harvard,
which is you know, they've been calling for, uh, this
noble opposition to the Trump administration. But who runs Harvard? Well,

(02:37:41):
it's the billionaire Penny Pritsker at the head of the
Harvard Corporation with her fellow billionaire Biddy Madison and Betty Martin.
I'm sorry, and and these are the these are the oligarchs,
the billionaire oligarchs that the left is always talking about,
and they're in control of Harvard. And we don't we
don't ever hear that always see is the President Garber

(02:38:02):
standing up for academic freedom and freedom of speech. This
is absurd, It's just a fraud.

Speaker 1 (02:38:07):
Okay, So let's dive into motive. Now I can see.
I mean, the useful idiots in the world, they don't
do any thoughtful, logical, reasonable analysis of this. They don't
understand how damaging to the American economy the removal of
meritocracy is going to be. But if you're a billionaire,
billionaire like Pritzker, what what's your what interest in this
do you have? Why would you be pushing this and

(02:38:27):
pressing this into say Harvard University?

Speaker 4 (02:38:31):
Well, I think is this the fact of that that
it's a money machine when you look at it is
basically drafting taking taxpayer money. You've got a fifty three
billion dollar untaxed endowment. Aside from the one point one
point seven percent one point four percent of a tax,
which is the pittance, You've got this nine billion dollars
of investment slash grant money from the United States government

(02:38:53):
that is no strings attached, no oversight. And you've got
this this hubrist that attaches to the heart her name.
And so you've got these billionaires that are there's there's
thirteen members of the Harvard Corporation. Pritzker is the head
of this corporation, and they're they're basically by the way,
her brother is JB. Boss Pritzker, the governor of Illinois.

(02:39:14):
There's nothing that comes to they has said they got
their money through inheritance. They're the Hyatt Hotel uh errors
of that fortune and so so I can't really speak
to her motivation except to the idea of power and
the ability through their money to uh actuate their ideology.
And I'm going back to the whole idea of DEI.

(02:39:36):
It's not what people think it is. And this has
been the major strength of DEI. It's not creating a
level playing field for everyone. It's not catering to marginalized populations,
giving everyone a hand, a helping hand. It's not just
teaching about race and teaching about slavery. No, it's none
of those things. That those things happen, it's merely as
a byproduct. It is the acceptance and propounding of a noxious,

(02:39:59):
toxic doctor of racialism where everyone is slotted into one
of two categories, either villain or victim, either you know, white,
non white, oppressor or oppressed, and nothing else. In one's
history matters. Not your education, not your attitude, not your parents,
you know, not your way of Nothing matters except race.

(02:40:20):
And that is the dirty secret of DEI that is
now being exposed.

Speaker 1 (02:40:24):
But to accomplish what because that is divisive and ruinous
for society. It ruins the cohesiveness of the nation. I mean,
I'm a little ill libertarian kind of guy. Live and
let live. I trust you with your zipper and your wallet.
I don't want anything from you. I'll let you do
what you want to live your life as long as
it doesn't intrude into my decision making, to my choices.
We live under the banner of freedom. At least we

(02:40:45):
used to, you know, the flag would stand for this,
this this freedom concept where yes, in the United States
you can be yourself and choose your own pursuits. But
this is ruinous to that national cohesion. The flag is
then viewed as a symbol of races because of you know,
historic racism and this whole concept the were just evil
white supremacists. I mean, this is leading to the end

(02:41:07):
of our country. And maybe is that the nefarious element
that's going on behind all this. They don't want the
United States to continue its amazing success.

Speaker 4 (02:41:17):
I think you're right, You've hit the nail on the
head of the idea. It's a collectivist doctrum, the idea
that your membership in a particular identity group supersedes and
is far more important than your identity as an individual
with individual preferences, dreams, et cetera, et cetera. And I
think this is the latest social justice canard that has
basically achieved kind of a regnancy on the college campuses.

(02:41:41):
And it's it's just the old wine, old collectivist wine
in a new bottle. It's Marxism if you really take
it down to it. The idea of Marxist class consciousness
has been replaced with race consciousness, and the framework is
virtually unchanged. And so this is the idea that it's
somehow some sort of racial equity type of things is

(02:42:03):
really full. It's the old social justice crowd, collectivist crowd
trying to supersede and trying to argue and coerce people
into beleading this notion of collectivism that you're identity in
a group is far more important than your identity as
an individual.

Speaker 1 (02:42:20):
Well, and you're certainly not entitled to your own opinion.
One of the reasons I loved college and law school
so much, doctor is you know, the Socratic method, the
idea you could have an exchange of ideas. There was this,
you know, exchange of thoughts and concepts, and you weren't
told that there was one particular point of view that
you must follow or be ostracized or get an F

(02:42:41):
on your paper. The world's obviously different place since then,
and I think this is reflected in the in the
media's shift to a far left sort of uniformed lockstep
left wing reporting perception because they're victims of this one
sided view in college education and we've lost the media
to this. I mean, is this something that can be undone?

(02:43:01):
Can this bell be unwrong or is it too late
because colleges are filled with professors who have a uniform
ideology anymore. You can't be a conservative and teach college
of courses anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:43:13):
Well, you certainly can't be a conservative and be you know,
have unlimited success. But the fact is that to reform
and higher educations will be very tough because they have
had almost they succumb to ideological capture a long time ago.
But I do think the Trump administration Department of Education
is doing the right thing. The only the only thing
that universities understand is money and bad publicity. That's that's

(02:43:38):
a lot. That's one thing that we can count on
being true. So the Department of Education is utilizing funding
is leverage against the universities, and yes, it is against
the universities to become serious institutions again, become places where
that marketplace of ideas is a reality, where those different
ideas can contend in an open debate, rather than having

(02:44:01):
certain views suppressed, as we find right now. And that
is indeed the case. And I detail this, and I
chronicled this, and DEI exposed, do I exposed? DEI is
simply this latest bid for in perimature over the universities.
And they found it very useful because it sounds good,
doesn't it. Diversity, equity and inclusion, just like cults like

(02:44:22):
the Moonies utilize the terms peace and unity, that's their motto,
and the inclusion and belonging. It sounds very cult like well,
and that's because it is.

Speaker 1 (02:44:32):
Well. Anytime I see the word equity anymore, I get
I get very very concerned and worried. And the idea
that I feel concerned because I have, you know, lots
of Black friends and a lot of Jewish friends, and
you point out and DEI exposed that this is this
concept of DEI is actually fueled anti Semitism. And I

(02:44:55):
want to get I want to get your your explanation
for that, but also the removal of meritocracy. There are many,
many people of color that have reached lofty positions through
their merit, through their experience and their knowledge of any
given industry or position, they earned it. And this idea
that you're going to just fill in a check mark
that oh black check We're going to hire that person

(02:45:16):
merely because they're the right color, even though there are
more qualified Asians or pick a color, skin or nationality.
We're not going to hire those people. We're going to
put this person in because they meet this equity checkbox
or diversity checkbox. That waters down and negates those people
who've actually earned those positions, because people have this perception like, wow,

(02:45:37):
you're a diversity higher. I know you've heard that term before.

Speaker 5 (02:45:41):
Oh well yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:45:42):
And I think it's unfortunate because I deal with and
when students, I deal with a lot of intelligent, incredibly
talented black students. You know, Indian students, Russian students, students
of all racist creets and colors, as they say, and
there's no stigma attached to that. I mean, and who
wants the stigma of the question mark behind your name?
Did this person really earn something or did they just

(02:46:03):
were they just checking someone else's tech matrix box? Right?
And the idea that you're going to subvert someone's individual
achievement by labeling them something like this, because it's not
the conservative side or libertarian side or the Republican side
labeling people to EI hires. It is the folks on
the left. I think Joe Biden himself basically appointed a

(02:46:24):
DEI hire as his running mate. And I think that
this is stigma, is unfortunate, and it's completely unnecessary. I
think we're going to finally move beyond this. I should
point out that the latest executive order from last week
striking down disparate impact. The idea that if you can
show that there's some sort of statistical result that shows

(02:46:47):
that somehow one group is having a different outcome than
other groups, you can utilize this to prove individual discrimination
against you. And this has been an absurd notion that
is in our judicial system that is now being struck down.
Those of us and social sciences know this. It's a fraud,
it's a fallacy. You can't do this because it makes

(02:47:08):
it's not valid, and yet we find it. We've been
following this disparate impact for quite some time. That's no
longer to be the case.

Speaker 1 (02:47:15):
Doctor Stanley Ridge, originally author of dee I Expose and Doctor,
we put your book on my web page at fifty
five cares dot com so my listeners can easily obtain
a copy of it. And I'm going to go back
real quickly here because I do have quite a few
Jewish friends, you know, and not necessarily practicing Jews, they
just had to be Jewish in terms of their ancestry.
Some are in favor of Israel, some are in favor

(02:47:36):
of Palestinian two state solutions. They're just a mixed bag
of Jewish people. How has DEI fueled anti Semitism? And
I don't understand how it is that there's some what
their motivation is, and anger over that the Jewish people
is on college campuses as if the Nazis took over.

Speaker 4 (02:47:55):
Well, it's very similar in the sense that this it's
an ideology DEA is an ideology, and the ideology tells
them to behave in certain ways. That ideology says that
that Jews basically are white people and therefore undeserving of
protections afforded other minitized people. That's what they say. And
the fact is that the Jews, especially those from Israel,

(02:48:16):
are considered settler colonialists. As a result, they are by
definition oppressors. So it doesn't matter how many assaults or bullying,
or trespassing or vandalism, that kind of thing is perpetrated
against Jewish students, it doesn't matter. And that I have
an entire chapter on this of how DEI has perpetrated
this anti Semitic ethos on campus. That it's okay to

(02:48:40):
discriminate against Jewish students, it's okay to bully them and
to assault them because they deserve it, because they are
oppressors in this framework that I've described to you, that's
the core of DEI. That you and I are in
a particular racial category and are deserving of our faith,
the faith being determined by the DEI idiotology. It's the

(02:49:00):
thing that motivated Luikimanzione to kill Brian Thompson in New
York ideology for him.

Speaker 1 (02:49:06):
To do this, well, it's I wish they were familiar
with the concept of two wrongs don't make a right.
That we once had slavery in the United States, and
it was wrong, and we did right that wrong, and
many laws were put into place, and many laws were
struck from the books to remove that from our society.
And we've made huge strides toward that. You know, everybody's

(02:49:27):
equal kind of perception. They're destroying it. They're just they're
turning it on its head. It's just it's okay to
discriminate against someone on the color based on the color
of their skin. It's just got to be the right
color in their eyes.

Speaker 12 (02:49:40):
Yeah, I think it is.

Speaker 4 (02:49:41):
I'm really disturbed by a lot of students who buy
into the whole social justice mantra and this social justice
collectivist mantra. It has a whole host of ideologies under
its umbrella, and DEI is just one of them. But
it sounds very good for someone to say, well, I'm
supporting I'm working for social justice. And if you probe
beyond that cliche, you find there's not much there except

(02:50:05):
the fact of the idea of coercion. I'm going to
compel you to do something that I want you to
do that my ideology tills you do because I have
access to this hidden knowledge that the left has always
been claiming on the college campuses.

Speaker 5 (02:50:18):
Doctor.

Speaker 1 (02:50:18):
Originally, it's been a fantastic conversation this morning. I really
appreciate you spending time with my listeners and me to
talk about your book, Deegi. I exposed how the biggest
ecount of the century almost toppled higher education. I'll encourage
my copy my listeners to head on over to my web
page and get a copy of the book. Doctor. Thanks
again for your time today and keep up the great work.