January 21, 2026 • 14 mins
Jack Atherton explores the concept of meritocracy, tracing its historical roots to Confucius and examining its current state in America. The speakers discuss the challenges posed by affirmative action, the role of government workers, and the implications of recent Supreme Court decisions on educational admissions. The dialogue emphasizes the need for a competent bureaucracy and the dangers of a system that prioritizes identity over merit.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
So No.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Five fifty five care CIT Talk Station ain't very happy
Wednesday to you. Always made it extra special for me,
and I know somebody of my listening audience feels the
same way, considering the emails and the messages I get
about Jack Atherton. It's time for the Big Picture with
Jack Athden, taking place every Wednesday at seven oh five
here on the fifty five CARC Morning Show. Welcome back,
my friend. It is a distinct pleasure as always to
(00:23):
have you on the show, sir.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thanks pal and folks. If you didn't hear the beginning
of today's show, I would urge you to go back
and listen to the podcast because Brian, I agree with
everything you said about meritocracy and would like to continue
that conversation. You're the from a different angle.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You were the springboard man. I didn't have any idea
which direction you were going to go. It just said
history of meritocracy is your subject matter. But I thought
it kind of provided a springboard for the commentary. So
I appreciate that, and I guess I, based of all
you just said, I didn't interfere with your your analysis
on this way, So let's take it down your road.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Well, I'm never going to tell you my topics again
because you can't match what you said? Could we? This morning?
Give a shout out to folks who don't get no respect.
I'm talking about workers at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.
There's a punchline there for comedians like Rodney. They are lazy,
snarleaning competence. We wait an hour to call your number
(01:24):
and then refuse to renew your license without twenty forms
of ID. But Brian, that's not my experience. In Hamilton
and now Butler Counties, I've encountered nothing but helpful, smiling
faces as BMV clerks gently remind me not to drive
without my mister mcgoog glasses. I'm a big fan of
(01:45):
most government workers generally, but only when those workers are
doing necessary work and know what they're doing. This is
not always the case. Some government workers are so clueless
or so arrogant and even corron But you wonder how
they ever got hired. Actually, people have been wondering for
(02:05):
thousands of years. You know, we get into history takes
someone many of us know only from fortune cookies, Confucius.
He was a big booster, Brian of government meritocracy. In fact, merit,
not nepotism, not cronyism, affirmative action, or quota. His merit
(02:25):
was a cornerstone of his philosophy. Confucius lived about five
hundred years before christ. China at that time was torn
by invasions, civil wars, and social disorder. So Confucius for
most of his life tried teaching rulers how to be
virtuous even when they were. Confucius knew a state could
not rely on a single ruler, much less of rulers
(02:48):
kids and grandkids. Governments Confucius knew need a competent bureaucracy,
and to ensure that, he called for rigorous, standardized civil
service examination. That common sense requirement became the basis of
Chinese governments for more than two thousand years. Meritocracy ensured
(03:09):
good government and also paved the way for social mobility.
Unlike England and as you were talking about before France,
you didn't need to be an aristocrat to move up
in China. And that's still true. You may not want
to admit, but it's true. In communist China there is
social mobility. However, when Confucius made his pupils read classic
(03:31):
books and then think for themselves. Red China today requires
a slavish devotion to party orthodoxy, which explains why Beijing
is better at stealing technology than unleashing free market innovation. Still,
we in America are in no position to sneer as
Jijiunggping and his party hacks, because how good is America
(03:54):
today at fostering meritocracy much less virtue? Problems start at
are so called elite universities which don't so much educate
as credential. Washington's governing class, Harvard, Yale, and the rest
have always accepted legacy students whose parents or grandparents went there,
(04:14):
especially if they built a building, but to make sure
socially undesirable students did not outnumber legacy kids, these elite
schools began imposing negative quotas, limiting the acceptance of Asians, Jews,
and students from other high performing groups high performing Brian
not because of their race or ethnicity, but because their parents, mothers,
(04:38):
and fathers. What a concept demand excellence. But for the
last fifteen years or so, as Marxism has dominated those
elite schools, we've seen a different kind of quota there
and elsewhere, woke quotas students whose performance is subpar on
standardized tests, nevertheless, get accepted on a basis of re ethnicity,
(05:01):
gender identity, or whatever other sort of victimhood they can
come up with, all in the name of diversity, equity
and inclusion, and not just underprivileged kids. DEI also waves
through applicants from prosperous, even prominent families. I won't name
some of these because I want to embarrass the children.
(05:22):
They get in as long as they fit the quota.
What's worse, what's unforgivable, is the progressives pushing affirmative action
refused to help truly underprivileged kids. Take Baltimore. In Baltimore,
more than ninety percent of students at many public schools
cannot read or do math at grade level, and at
(05:43):
more than a dozen schools in Baltimore, there's not a
single student there who can do the proficiency tests. Most
big American cities no longer follow Confucius. Instead, these leftists,
including teacher unions, oppose standardized tests. They oppose even giving them.
They hand uneducated students of all races and ethnicities a
(06:07):
high school diploma congratulations. Then, when universities accept these so
called graduates, they are allowed They're even encouraged to pursue
fully undemanding majors so they can get hired by government
and woke companies. Under Joe Biden, almost all the hiring
in his monthly employment reports that was done by government.
(06:30):
Under Donald Trump, none of it is meantime. Illiterate students
who don't land DEI jobs. They receive free food, housing,
medical care, and all the other welfare promised by Obama's
life of Julia, a life totally dependent on big government.
That's the deal, folks with Democrats. The uneducated but credentialed
(06:53):
get government jobs. Uncredentialed victims get socialist benefits. The only
real job who has to do is vote Democrat. But Brian,
here's some good news. The Confucian ideal of advancement based
on merit has now been embraced by the United States
Supreme Court, or has it. In a twenty twenty three
(07:16):
split decision, a majority of the justices held that affirmative
action at Harvard and other schools violated the rights of
other applicants. Harvard's response, so what? Harvard immediately announced that
it would rely on a loophole in that decision. A
loophole big enough to drive a mack truck through assuming
anybody at Harvard could drive a mack truck because our
(07:38):
old favorite Chief Justice John Roberts, to the surprise of
absolutely nobody, also wrote, and I quote nothing in this
opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an
applicant's discussion of how race affected his or her life,
be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. End quote. That
(08:03):
consideration of race is still enough to get you into Harvard,
if you're full full enough to cent your kids there.
The wider issue, friends, goes far beyond school admissions, what
came to be called the spoils system, the doling out
of federal jobs and contracts that goes back two hundred
years to the founders of the Democrat Party, Andrew Jackson
(08:27):
and Martin Van Buren. Then Republicans took care of their
cronies too and kept growing government until under Donald Trump
the cutting of wasteful jobs by Elon Musk's DOGE and
now each individual federal agency. Those cuts and attrition Brian
have trimmed about nine percent of the federal workforce and counting. Still,
(08:51):
let's not kid ourselves, Washington remains anything but a meritocracy
of competent bureaucrats, not to mention politicians doing necessary every work.
And if voters elect Democrats again for Congress this year,
and even more unthinkable for presidents in twenty twenty eight,
they're incompetence. Corruption and communism will put an end to
(09:13):
this country as we have known it. In some we
can follow the lead of Confucius, or we can heed
his prediction about bloated corrupt government I translate from the Chinese.
That's the way the cookie crumbles. What do you say,
my meritorious friend.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I appreciate it, and I am always blown away, Jack evident,
when you mentioned the failure rate and the inability of
young people graduating from high school, you mentioned a couple
of cities that's going on, and it's happening all over
the country that cannot perform mathematics on a basic level,
or cannot read on a basic level. What in the
(09:54):
hell were they doing from K through twelve? What possible?
I mean, it's mind boggling. And I go back again,
I peep pondering Jack, you know that I look at
something as crazy as these policies that Democrats are pushing.
You know, men can play against women in sports or
any of the other ones, and wonder whether really the
American people agree with or buy into what they are pushing. Or,
(10:19):
for example, in the subject matter of education, which I'm
trying to pivot over to right now, the idea of
flexibility of choice. You know you'll get teachers unions and
people rallying in the streets and support of the exact
institutions that have literally and objectively failed our children. And
yet the teachers unions fight against tooth and nail against
(10:41):
any opportunity for younger people to benefit by just giving
their parents a choice on the school that they go to.
Hm M. Might my child have a better opportunity to
learn to read and perform mathematics at that school over there,
not run by the teachers union, mind you, than going
to the public schools. At least I've got a choice.
If you want to send your kids to public school,
exercise the choice. What is wrong with the idea of choice?
(11:05):
If you've got demonstrable failure within your whatever city happen
to be in public schools, they don't have a choice,
then you're stuck there. You cannot escape, And the product
of not being able to escape is well, your kid's
going to be left to a lifetime of either working
as a dei hire or a dependent on the government.
(11:29):
I just mean, I mean, someone tell me that I'm right,
and someone tell me that no school choice is widely
accepted and understood and embraced because it gives people at
least some flexibility to get their children a decent education.
Not that it's necessarily going to happen, but at least
it creates an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Jack Well, I think you're absolutely right. And you know,
as people may remember from reading the legend of Sleepy Hollow,
the school teacher, the master Ichabod Crane, was hired by
the parents, and he would move from house to house,
living there, and they knew what he was up to.
Two hundred and fifty years ago, our newborn country was
(12:07):
a meritocracy because we had no choice. The Continental Congress
was broke, almost powerless, and therefore small. To make money,
you had to be a farmer or a fur trader,
a craftsman, a merchant. You could not make money in politics.
So politics was all about public service until the country
(12:28):
grew and government gained power to confer everything from railroad
easements to military contracts, anything that government controlled. That's why
the answer doing competence and Minnesota style corruption in pocketing
taxpayer funds is to have the smallest government possible, which
is exactly what our constitution provides when we're true to it.
(12:51):
But Brian, could I mention one other thing that I
forgot to bring up about what's going on in the schools.
There is another problem with affirmative action. You, as a
recipient of affirmative action, have to carry all your life.
In nineteen ninety one, when a conservative, Clarence Thomas was
nominated to the US Supreme Court, New York Times columnist
(13:13):
Maureen Dowd, as liberal as you get, claimed he was
accepted by an Ivy League law school, and he got
federal jobs and ultimately that Supreme Court nomination only thanks
to affirmative action. He was otherwise incompetent, she said. Today,
if you were to suggest the same things about that
genius Katanji Brown Jackson, Wow, liberals would brand you a racist.
(13:37):
Beyond the double standard, Brian, this shows that affirmative action
leads critics of anyone on the left or the right
open to questions about whether they are really qualified to
be lawyers, doctors, pilots, any job that requires demonstrable skills.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's an excellent point, Jack add an excellent as always,
Katanji Brown, she's the Kamala Harris of the Supreme Court
bench and it's an absolute outright embarrassment.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, well, Brian, we're not saying she drinks.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh no, that's true, although I don't know it would
go a long way to explaining some of the questions
she's been engaged in recently among those folks litigating in
front of her in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Jack added, you are correct, sir.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's the big picture as always, and it's always brilliant.
I can't thank you enough, Jack for just improving the
content on this program dramatically every time you come on.
It's just just a great thing to have you on
and to spread your message to my listening audience and
give people some serious food for thought. I'm already looking
forward to next Wednesday and another talk with you, my friend.
I hope you have a wonderful week and the best
(14:43):
of love and health to you and your better aft.
Tell Amesland I.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Said, I thank you you too, Pal.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Thanks brother seven to twenty. Right now, if you have
Kersey The Talk Station, Donovan Neil Americans for prospect
So No.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Five fifty five care CIT Talk Station ain't very happy
Wednesday to you. Always made it extra special for me,
and I know somebody of my listening audience feels the
same way, considering the emails and the messages I get
about Jack Atherton. It's time for the Big Picture with
Jack Athden, taking place every Wednesday at seven oh five
here on the fifty five CARC Morning Show. Welcome back,
my friend. It is a distinct pleasure as always to
(00:23):
have you on the show, sir.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Thanks pal and folks. If you didn't hear the beginning
of today's show, I would urge you to go back
and listen to the podcast because Brian, I agree with
everything you said about meritocracy and would like to continue
that conversation. You're the from a different angle.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You were the springboard man. I didn't have any idea
which direction you were going to go. It just said
history of meritocracy is your subject matter. But I thought
it kind of provided a springboard for the commentary. So
I appreciate that, and I guess I, based of all
you just said, I didn't interfere with your your analysis
on this way, So let's take it down your road.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Well, I'm never going to tell you my topics again
because you can't match what you said? Could we? This morning?
Give a shout out to folks who don't get no respect.
I'm talking about workers at the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.
There's a punchline there for comedians like Rodney. They are lazy,
snarleaning competence. We wait an hour to call your number
(01:24):
and then refuse to renew your license without twenty forms
of ID. But Brian, that's not my experience. In Hamilton
and now Butler Counties, I've encountered nothing but helpful, smiling
faces as BMV clerks gently remind me not to drive
without my mister mcgoog glasses. I'm a big fan of
(01:45):
most government workers generally, but only when those workers are
doing necessary work and know what they're doing. This is
not always the case. Some government workers are so clueless
or so arrogant and even corron But you wonder how
they ever got hired. Actually, people have been wondering for
(02:05):
thousands of years. You know, we get into history takes
someone many of us know only from fortune cookies, Confucius.
He was a big booster, Brian of government meritocracy. In fact, merit,
not nepotism, not cronyism, affirmative action, or quota. His merit
(02:25):
was a cornerstone of his philosophy. Confucius lived about five
hundred years before christ. China at that time was torn
by invasions, civil wars, and social disorder. So Confucius for
most of his life tried teaching rulers how to be
virtuous even when they were. Confucius knew a state could
not rely on a single ruler, much less of rulers
(02:48):
kids and grandkids. Governments Confucius knew need a competent bureaucracy,
and to ensure that, he called for rigorous, standardized civil
service examination. That common sense requirement became the basis of
Chinese governments for more than two thousand years. Meritocracy ensured
(03:09):
good government and also paved the way for social mobility.
Unlike England and as you were talking about before France,
you didn't need to be an aristocrat to move up
in China. And that's still true. You may not want
to admit, but it's true. In communist China there is
social mobility. However, when Confucius made his pupils read classic
(03:31):
books and then think for themselves. Red China today requires
a slavish devotion to party orthodoxy, which explains why Beijing
is better at stealing technology than unleashing free market innovation. Still,
we in America are in no position to sneer as
Jijiunggping and his party hacks, because how good is America
(03:54):
today at fostering meritocracy much less virtue? Problems start at
are so called elite universities which don't so much educate
as credential. Washington's governing class, Harvard, Yale, and the rest
have always accepted legacy students whose parents or grandparents went there,
(04:14):
especially if they built a building, but to make sure
socially undesirable students did not outnumber legacy kids, these elite
schools began imposing negative quotas, limiting the acceptance of Asians, Jews,
and students from other high performing groups high performing Brian
not because of their race or ethnicity, but because their parents, mothers,
(04:38):
and fathers. What a concept demand excellence. But for the
last fifteen years or so, as Marxism has dominated those
elite schools, we've seen a different kind of quota there
and elsewhere, woke quotas students whose performance is subpar on
standardized tests, nevertheless, get accepted on a basis of re ethnicity,
(05:01):
gender identity, or whatever other sort of victimhood they can
come up with, all in the name of diversity, equity
and inclusion, and not just underprivileged kids. DEI also waves
through applicants from prosperous, even prominent families. I won't name
some of these because I want to embarrass the children.
(05:22):
They get in as long as they fit the quota.
What's worse, what's unforgivable, is the progressives pushing affirmative action
refused to help truly underprivileged kids. Take Baltimore. In Baltimore,
more than ninety percent of students at many public schools
cannot read or do math at grade level, and at
(05:43):
more than a dozen schools in Baltimore, there's not a
single student there who can do the proficiency tests. Most
big American cities no longer follow Confucius. Instead, these leftists,
including teacher unions, oppose standardized tests. They oppose even giving them.
They hand uneducated students of all races and ethnicities a
(06:07):
high school diploma congratulations. Then, when universities accept these so
called graduates, they are allowed They're even encouraged to pursue
fully undemanding majors so they can get hired by government
and woke companies. Under Joe Biden, almost all the hiring
in his monthly employment reports that was done by government.
(06:30):
Under Donald Trump, none of it is meantime. Illiterate students
who don't land DEI jobs. They receive free food, housing,
medical care, and all the other welfare promised by Obama's
life of Julia, a life totally dependent on big government.
That's the deal, folks with Democrats. The uneducated but credentialed
(06:53):
get government jobs. Uncredentialed victims get socialist benefits. The only
real job who has to do is vote Democrat. But Brian,
here's some good news. The Confucian ideal of advancement based
on merit has now been embraced by the United States
Supreme Court, or has it. In a twenty twenty three
(07:16):
split decision, a majority of the justices held that affirmative
action at Harvard and other schools violated the rights of
other applicants. Harvard's response, so what? Harvard immediately announced that
it would rely on a loophole in that decision. A
loophole big enough to drive a mack truck through assuming
anybody at Harvard could drive a mack truck because our
(07:38):
old favorite Chief Justice John Roberts, to the surprise of
absolutely nobody, also wrote, and I quote nothing in this
opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an
applicant's discussion of how race affected his or her life,
be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. End quote. That
(08:03):
consideration of race is still enough to get you into Harvard,
if you're full full enough to cent your kids there.
The wider issue, friends, goes far beyond school admissions, what
came to be called the spoils system, the doling out
of federal jobs and contracts that goes back two hundred
years to the founders of the Democrat Party, Andrew Jackson
(08:27):
and Martin Van Buren. Then Republicans took care of their
cronies too and kept growing government until under Donald Trump
the cutting of wasteful jobs by Elon Musk's DOGE and
now each individual federal agency. Those cuts and attrition Brian
have trimmed about nine percent of the federal workforce and counting. Still,
(08:51):
let's not kid ourselves, Washington remains anything but a meritocracy
of competent bureaucrats, not to mention politicians doing necessary every work.
And if voters elect Democrats again for Congress this year,
and even more unthinkable for presidents in twenty twenty eight,
they're incompetence. Corruption and communism will put an end to
(09:13):
this country as we have known it. In some we
can follow the lead of Confucius, or we can heed
his prediction about bloated corrupt government I translate from the Chinese.
That's the way the cookie crumbles. What do you say,
my meritorious friend.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I appreciate it, and I am always blown away, Jack evident,
when you mentioned the failure rate and the inability of
young people graduating from high school, you mentioned a couple
of cities that's going on, and it's happening all over
the country that cannot perform mathematics on a basic level,
or cannot read on a basic level. What in the
(09:54):
hell were they doing from K through twelve? What possible?
I mean, it's mind boggling. And I go back again,
I peep pondering Jack, you know that I look at
something as crazy as these policies that Democrats are pushing.
You know, men can play against women in sports or
any of the other ones, and wonder whether really the
American people agree with or buy into what they are pushing. Or,
(10:19):
for example, in the subject matter of education, which I'm
trying to pivot over to right now, the idea of
flexibility of choice. You know you'll get teachers unions and
people rallying in the streets and support of the exact
institutions that have literally and objectively failed our children. And
yet the teachers unions fight against tooth and nail against
(10:41):
any opportunity for younger people to benefit by just giving
their parents a choice on the school that they go to.
Hm M. Might my child have a better opportunity to
learn to read and perform mathematics at that school over there,
not run by the teachers union, mind you, than going
to the public schools. At least I've got a choice.
If you want to send your kids to public school,
exercise the choice. What is wrong with the idea of choice?
(11:05):
If you've got demonstrable failure within your whatever city happen
to be in public schools, they don't have a choice,
then you're stuck there. You cannot escape, And the product
of not being able to escape is well, your kid's
going to be left to a lifetime of either working
as a dei hire or a dependent on the government.
(11:29):
I just mean, I mean, someone tell me that I'm right,
and someone tell me that no school choice is widely
accepted and understood and embraced because it gives people at
least some flexibility to get their children a decent education.
Not that it's necessarily going to happen, but at least
it creates an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Jack Well, I think you're absolutely right. And you know,
as people may remember from reading the legend of Sleepy Hollow,
the school teacher, the master Ichabod Crane, was hired by
the parents, and he would move from house to house,
living there, and they knew what he was up to.
Two hundred and fifty years ago, our newborn country was
(12:07):
a meritocracy because we had no choice. The Continental Congress
was broke, almost powerless, and therefore small. To make money,
you had to be a farmer or a fur trader,
a craftsman, a merchant. You could not make money in politics.
So politics was all about public service until the country
(12:28):
grew and government gained power to confer everything from railroad
easements to military contracts, anything that government controlled. That's why
the answer doing competence and Minnesota style corruption in pocketing
taxpayer funds is to have the smallest government possible, which
is exactly what our constitution provides when we're true to it.
(12:51):
But Brian, could I mention one other thing that I
forgot to bring up about what's going on in the schools.
There is another problem with affirmative action. You, as a
recipient of affirmative action, have to carry all your life.
In nineteen ninety one, when a conservative, Clarence Thomas was
nominated to the US Supreme Court, New York Times columnist
(13:13):
Maureen Dowd, as liberal as you get, claimed he was
accepted by an Ivy League law school, and he got
federal jobs and ultimately that Supreme Court nomination only thanks
to affirmative action. He was otherwise incompetent, she said. Today,
if you were to suggest the same things about that
genius Katanji Brown Jackson, Wow, liberals would brand you a racist.
(13:37):
Beyond the double standard, Brian, this shows that affirmative action
leads critics of anyone on the left or the right
open to questions about whether they are really qualified to
be lawyers, doctors, pilots, any job that requires demonstrable skills.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
That's an excellent point, Jack add an excellent as always,
Katanji Brown, she's the Kamala Harris of the Supreme Court
bench and it's an absolute outright embarrassment.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Well, well, Brian, we're not saying she drinks.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Oh no, that's true, although I don't know it would
go a long way to explaining some of the questions
she's been engaged in recently among those folks litigating in
front of her in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Jack added, you are correct, sir.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
It's the big picture as always, and it's always brilliant.
I can't thank you enough, Jack for just improving the
content on this program dramatically every time you come on.
It's just just a great thing to have you on
and to spread your message to my listening audience and
give people some serious food for thought. I'm already looking
forward to next Wednesday and another talk with you, my friend.
I hope you have a wonderful week and the best
(14:43):
of love and health to you and your better aft.
Tell Amesland I.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Said, I thank you you too, Pal.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Thanks brother seven to twenty. Right now, if you have
Kersey The Talk Station, Donovan Neil Americans for prospect
Brian Thomas News
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