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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Heyo five. You're a fifty five CAROSD talk station. Bryan
Thomas switching everyone a very happy MLKA Junior Day. Welcoming
to the fifty five Carsey Morning Show. Jeffrey Stevens. Jeffrey
Stevens an author a probably you've probably read his books.
Amazon best selling, Pencraft Award winning author of the Jordan
Sander thrillers. Several of those targets are deception, targets of opportunity, targets,
revenge and rogue, mission the Anthony Walker Murder mystery, Crimes
(00:25):
of Passion, the Pencraft First Place Award winning novel Fools
Aaron and Nicholas Reagan thrillers plural, the Handler and its
sequel enemies among us. It lives in New York. He's
successful attorney, been practicing for decades and of course a
truly successful author. Welcome to the fifty five Cars Morning Show,
Sir Jeffrey Stevens, to talk about your new book, Illusions
of Trust. It's a pleasure to have you on the
(00:46):
particle Happy to Illusions of trut Let me first ask you.
This book involves a gentleman by the name of Russell Palmer,
who's described as an idealistic attorney, and I guess the
book kicks off with a client coming into his office.
It sort of suggested like it's a film noir novel
or something, you know, the detective with the shit with
the mysterious client it comes in. But then there's all
(01:08):
this Yeah, all this intrigue. I'm a huge film noir fan,
by the way, all this intrigue and all these characters
that you you know, be developed their characters in the
book has typically done. But I was kind of curious,
is this going to be another series? Are we looking
forward to a Russell Palmer series books like you have
with the other ones Jordan Sander and others.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, it is, it's the short answer. Yes, I've already
got one in the can and I'm working on another one,
and so yes, we're going to roll out some more
Russell Palmer and Robbie White.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Fantastic. All right. Now, since you're a been practicing law
for decades, I'm wondering if this was inspired by well,
something that happened actually in your practice, or is this
whole cloth a creation?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, no, completely completely. You know, after years of writing
these espionage thrillers in a couple of other things. I
felt that I should look back at my legal career
and what I could do about tapping into that for
something worthwhile. And years ago I handled the celebrity divorce
and I thought, boy, that would be a nice centerpiece
for a novel if we twisted it around a bit,
And that's what we've done. So it was a lot
(02:12):
of fun to write. A lot of the characters are
based on people that I knew back in my New
York City days, and the New York City itself is
a character in the book. If you will, you know,
there's so many things. Just like Cincinnati, there are certain
cities that have unique aspects to it. In New York
it's the restaurants and bars and so forth, and so
they all play a part with the characters in the book.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Fair enough, what you're you're the title of the book,
Illusions of Trust? What are you suggesting about that? Are
we getting something wrong about trust? Or is this just yes, okay, okay, that's.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Exactly what That's exactly what I think. As my pr
lady at Ascott Media said, she came up with the
tagline that trust is the most dangerous illusion of all
and it's true and part of part of the noir
aspect of the book is that justice is not for
the rich. The rich by themselves justice and so where
(03:09):
mister and Missus America deal with the court system. And
I was listening to your previous guest, who was fantastic,
by the way, I just have to say that it
was riveting, and I grew with everything he said. By
the way, but you know, the rich, they get fancy lawyers,
and they you know, they own judges, and they hate
to be so cynical, but it's the truth. I mean,
you know, we see people getting away with things all
(03:29):
the time. I mean, in the current political climate, I
constantly hear about Pam BONDI saying this person and that person.
And I won't name famous names like the Clintons for example,
on these terrible things. But we're the indictments, we're the trials,
you know. But if it were you or me, we'd
be in trouble. So that's part of what the story
is about.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And Attorney Jeffrey Stevens, since you write about an attorney
in this book, we're referring to here today illusions of trust.
I have to point out something that I've pointed out
a lot of times. I practice litigation for sixteen years.
I'm still licensed, but I've been on the radio show
here for this is my twentieth year in radio. So
I couldn't litigate myself out of a paper bag right now.
But it is expensive. And going back to your idea
(04:10):
that gee can a January sixth protester going through the
Department the justice system afford to defend him or herself
versus let's say the Clintons who just put a political
action committee sign up and say I need legal defense
money and everything, and his brother sends him money. I mean,
lawyers are expensive. You're in New York. You're talking four
bills plus an hour, one thousand plus dollars an hour
(04:32):
for an attorney in New York.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's insane, big boys do now. I live in Connecticut now,
but I was originally a New York guy. And so yes,
you're absolutely right. And a great case in point is
apparently this young man I say, apparently murdered his parents,
the Rhiners, and he had one of the top defensive
lawyers in defense and he quit. And why did he quit?
Because this kid, he found out did not have access
(04:54):
to his parents' money, and he couldn't pay him. I mean,
that's what it's about.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Right, Well, I guess we can call that karma coming
home to roost.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
In so far as that is concerned, I would say
so I was not a Rob Reiner fan politically, but
I could say that it was a tragedy and it's
just an awful thing. And yes, you're right, karma is
you know what?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So it is indeed, And you have the host of
characters in the book we're talking about today that he
wrote Illusions of Trust, of course going to be a bestseller,
influential congressman, reclusive eras you have pharmaceutical companies, and I
mean it's like everybody that we come across day in
and day out, and articles we read about that it
seems to be involved in corruption or this unequal treatment
(05:37):
under the law. They're all in this book.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You see right through me, mister Thomas. It's exactly right.
I come by the way. I come from the thesis
that if you're going to write any kind of thriller
or legal thriller and an espionage thriller, it's critical that the
villains be interesting. You have to have three dimensional villains,
otherwise you have two dimensional cartoon characters, they're not fun.
So there is no shortage of villains in this book,
(06:00):
and in fact, readers have said one of them is
probably the most fascinating character in the story, despite everything
I did to make Russell Palmer and Robbie White interesting. So, yes,
there are a lot of people, and some of them
turn out to be bad. Some of them turn out
to be better than you thought they would be. So
there are many, many twists right up to the end
of the story, and I hope that readers enjoy that
(06:21):
and get that sense, as you say, of a noir thriller,
while they're reading about things that are truly are topical
in our time.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, use this attorney, that's the principal character in the book,
Russell Palmer, you described as an idealistic attorney, you know,
principled individual. Do you develop these in these conflicts he
has with the trust issues, the illusions of trust, you
develop some sort of moral and ethical breakdown? I mean,
is this easy engage in this moral ethical process that
(06:48):
we should all go through and dealing with somewhat nefarious types.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, very much so. And particularly because his mentor is
Robbie White, who is a retired NYPD detective who's years
older than he and he's got all the cynicism that
you get from from walking the beats in New York,
and so he sort of he sort of keeps Russell
on the straight and narrow, because sometimes Russell goes with
his instincts in terms of wanting to help people, wanting
(07:14):
to do good, but sometimes you have to be careful
because the people for whom you're doing good might not
be good themselves. And so Robbie's cynicism and Russell's idealism
is constantly a balance act that must that has to
come and play. And so that was that was truly
a lot of fun for me, because truly, Robbie White
was based on a former New York City Police detective
(07:35):
that I knew well. He was an older gentleman and
and he helped me when I began my career. So
it was a lot of fun for me to pay
ominy to him and what he did well.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I guess I have to wonder, is this a sort
of maybe a fiction cautionary tale for us out here
dealing with nefarious types in the real world. I mean,
I'm wondering why so many people are willing to trust
systems or individuals that either currently or later betray them.
I guess, are we just that easily? Do? Do we
lack a critical thinking sufficiently? And did you write this
book to kind of get us to wake the hell
(08:06):
up about those kinds of things going on?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's that's that's my tagline when I post on Instagram,
wake up America. I mean, all you have to do
is look at Minnesota, and people are easily duped. Yes,
And it's really sad. And you know, I grew up
in an era where you know, we learned to respect
the police officers and law enforcement officers and to trust
(08:30):
our politicians, and you know, we grew up with certain idealism,
you know, whether it was a conservative Democrat like John
Kennedy or whether it was my favorite Ronald Reagan. And
now look at what we've got to choose from. It's
almost it's almost unbelievable. And I see some of these
representatives again, I don't want to say names, but I
see some of these representatives on TV. There's one guy
(08:50):
who wants to impeach everybody. Every time he's interviewed, he's
got somebody else to impeach. And I look at him.
I think, who voted for this man?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean truly well voted for him?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And going back to me this said, I've been struggling
with this one, DEMI did the American people really reject
what ICE is doing in getting rid of like child
molesters and rapists and hardcore murderer felons. I mean, I
find that so hard to swallow. But there you go.
You look at the mayor in Minneapolis, you look at
the governor Tim Walls. They are absolutely screaming about Ice
and encouraging the citizens to rebel against them while they're
(09:22):
enforcing federal law that remains on the books. I wonder
what kind of world I woke in.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And by the way, not everything you just said is accurate,
of course, but not just that they're enforcing the law,
but they are actually, in a day to day manner
trying to make the streets safer because of all these
people who got let into the country. And we've all
heard the chorus about murderers, rapists, kidnappers, drug drugs dealers, whatever.
Why would they not want those people remove from the street.
(09:49):
Why are they defending them and going up against law enforcement?
It just makes no logical sense. Yeah, some of them
are paid protesters, but not all of them. And then
you see them interviewed on the street and they're asked,
what are you protesting against? And they don't have an answer.
They literally can't answer, I'm here to abolish ice. What
do you understand what that means? Not really, but it
(10:10):
was a good enough slogan for me. I mean, that's
what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
True. And then amazing go back to Clinton and Obama
and H. W. Bush and Trump during his first term
and Biden, they kicked out a lot of illegal immigrants
in our country, millions and millions of them, and no
one raised a single voice against it when Obama was
doing it. But you know, evil.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Orange man, right, he had them in cages. They criticized Trump.
Obama had them in cages. He he deported three point
four million people, and no one said peep. I know,
But that's that's what's so, that's what's so mind twisting
for me personally, is that this young woman who got
(10:52):
killed on the train, the woman from the Ukraine, who
or Lake and Riley, where are the marchers and the
protesters for them? But but this woman who tries to
run over an ice officer, she gets shot in the process,
and suddenly, you know, we've got another George Floyd situation.
I mean, they picked their heroes very oddly.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
As my opinion, they do, and I can't let that
go without pointing out Ashley Babbitt got gunned down. She
didn't even present eminent apprehension and eminent a reasonable expectation
of a bodily harm, grievous bodily harm or death. I mean,
they just shot her and they all praised and got
away with it, and they praised the officer. Huh, what's
(11:31):
worse running a car into an officer or trying to
squeeze through a tiny broken window while unarmed?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Hmmm, yeah, yeah, you're so right, Jeffery, right. I just
don't know. You know, here's the real question for me,
and truly, I mean this sincerely to whoever is listening
to us. What is it going to take for America
to wake up? Do we need to find someone who
is a uniter? Like? Listen, I love most of what
(12:00):
Donald Trump does, and I know Donald Trump and personally
I know he says stupid things. Okay, I got that,
But what he's doing is fantastic. But he's not a uniter. Unfortunately,
we need somebody. I don't know who. It will be
another Reagan maybe, but someone to bring us together. What
is it going to take for the left to say,
(12:20):
you know, you know what this may we are all
Americans and this makes sense. Do we need another nine
to eleven? Do we need Durant to attack us? I mean,
what event or what person will come forward to bring
us back together? Because to me, this is really this
is a mess. I've never seen this in my lifetime,
even during the Vietnam War, because during the Vietnam War
(12:40):
it was a discreet issue. It was one single issue,
which was you were against the war or not. And
I can understand both sides, I really could. Even though
I was personally against the war at the time, I
admit that, but the idea was it was one. It
was one issue. Now we seem to be divided about
everything Trump does. These amazing If Trump found the cure
for cancer, they would criticize them for putting doctors out
(13:02):
of business.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
They would incredible.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, uh, since you mentioned Vietnam, don't forget we had
the Simbionese Liberation Army and the Red Army faction and
the bottom minehoff Gang and all these communists bombers left
scenes forget about that, we lived in much more dangerous times.
Pivoting over from January sixth, they blew up the Senate bathroom.
That seems to be a step above anyway, Jeffrey Stevens.
We were all over the place. The book Illusions of Trust,
(13:27):
which is on my blog page fifty five Carsee dot
com fantastic. It will be another best seller. For my
guest today, Jeffrey Stevens, it's been a real pleasure talking
with you and doing a little stream of consciousness in
there consciousness there.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I really appreciate it, and I enjoyed it. And my
wish for everybody in twenty twenty six is that we
engage in random acts of kindness, do something good for
somebody at cast nothing, and it'll make you feel better
and make the world a better place.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Amen, well, stated Jeffrey Stevens. We'll get your book. It's
on my blog page fifty five Carosee dot coms. Take
care of my friend. We'll be talking against.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
All the better book in the queue eight nineteen. Now
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Heyo five. You're a fifty five CAROSD talk station. Bryan
Thomas switching everyone a very happy MLKA Junior Day. Welcoming
to the fifty five Carsey Morning Show. Jeffrey Stevens. Jeffrey
Stevens an author a probably you've probably read his books.
Amazon best selling, Pencraft Award winning author of the Jordan
Sander thrillers. Several of those targets are deception, targets of opportunity, targets,
revenge and rogue, mission the Anthony Walker Murder mystery, Crimes
(00:25):
of Passion, the Pencraft First Place Award winning novel Fools
Aaron and Nicholas Reagan thrillers plural, the Handler and its
sequel enemies among us. It lives in New York. He's
successful attorney, been practicing for decades and of course a
truly successful author. Welcome to the fifty five Cars Morning Show,
Sir Jeffrey Stevens, to talk about your new book, Illusions
of Trust. It's a pleasure to have you on the
(00:46):
particle Happy to Illusions of trut Let me first ask you.
This book involves a gentleman by the name of Russell Palmer,
who's described as an idealistic attorney, and I guess the
book kicks off with a client coming into his office.
It sort of suggested like it's a film noir novel
or something, you know, the detective with the shit with
the mysterious client it comes in. But then there's all
(01:08):
this Yeah, all this intrigue. I'm a huge film noir fan,
by the way, all this intrigue and all these characters
that you you know, be developed their characters in the
book has typically done. But I was kind of curious,
is this going to be another series? Are we looking
forward to a Russell Palmer series books like you have
with the other ones Jordan Sander and others.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, it is, it's the short answer. Yes, I've already
got one in the can and I'm working on another one,
and so yes, we're going to roll out some more
Russell Palmer and Robbie White.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Fantastic. All right. Now, since you're a been practicing law
for decades, I'm wondering if this was inspired by well,
something that happened actually in your practice, or is this
whole cloth a creation?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
No, no, completely completely. You know, after years of writing
these espionage thrillers in a couple of other things. I
felt that I should look back at my legal career
and what I could do about tapping into that for
something worthwhile. And years ago I handled the celebrity divorce
and I thought, boy, that would be a nice centerpiece
for a novel if we twisted it around a bit,
And that's what we've done. So it was a lot
(02:12):
of fun to write. A lot of the characters are
based on people that I knew back in my New
York City days, and the New York City itself is
a character in the book. If you will, you know,
there's so many things. Just like Cincinnati, there are certain
cities that have unique aspects to it. In New York
it's the restaurants and bars and so forth, and so
they all play a part with the characters in the book.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Fair enough, what you're you're the title of the book,
Illusions of Trust? What are you suggesting about that? Are
we getting something wrong about trust? Or is this just yes, okay, okay, that's.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Exactly what That's exactly what I think. As my pr
lady at Ascott Media said, she came up with the
tagline that trust is the most dangerous illusion of all
and it's true and part of part of the noir
aspect of the book is that justice is not for
the rich. The rich by themselves justice and so where
(03:09):
mister and Missus America deal with the court system. And
I was listening to your previous guest, who was fantastic,
by the way, I just have to say that it
was riveting, and I grew with everything he said. By
the way, but you know, the rich, they get fancy lawyers,
and they you know, they own judges, and they hate
to be so cynical, but it's the truth. I mean,
you know, we see people getting away with things all
(03:29):
the time. I mean, in the current political climate, I
constantly hear about Pam BONDI saying this person and that person.
And I won't name famous names like the Clintons for example,
on these terrible things. But we're the indictments, we're the trials,
you know. But if it were you or me, we'd
be in trouble. So that's part of what the story
is about.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And Attorney Jeffrey Stevens, since you write about an attorney
in this book, we're referring to here today illusions of trust.
I have to point out something that I've pointed out
a lot of times. I practice litigation for sixteen years.
I'm still licensed, but I've been on the radio show
here for this is my twentieth year in radio. So
I couldn't litigate myself out of a paper bag right now.
But it is expensive. And going back to your idea
(04:10):
that gee can a January sixth protester going through the
Department the justice system afford to defend him or herself
versus let's say the Clintons who just put a political
action committee sign up and say I need legal defense
money and everything, and his brother sends him money. I mean,
lawyers are expensive. You're in New York. You're talking four
bills plus an hour, one thousand plus dollars an hour
(04:32):
for an attorney in New York.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's insane, big boys do now. I live in Connecticut now,
but I was originally a New York guy. And so yes,
you're absolutely right. And a great case in point is
apparently this young man I say, apparently murdered his parents,
the Rhiners, and he had one of the top defensive
lawyers in defense and he quit. And why did he quit?
Because this kid, he found out did not have access
(04:54):
to his parents' money, and he couldn't pay him. I mean,
that's what it's about.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Right, Well, I guess we can call that karma coming
home to roost.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
In so far as that is concerned, I would say
so I was not a Rob Reiner fan politically, but
I could say that it was a tragedy and it's
just an awful thing. And yes, you're right, karma is
you know what?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
So it is indeed, And you have the host of
characters in the book we're talking about today that he
wrote Illusions of Trust, of course going to be a bestseller,
influential congressman, reclusive eras you have pharmaceutical companies, and I
mean it's like everybody that we come across day in
and day out, and articles we read about that it
seems to be involved in corruption or this unequal treatment
(05:37):
under the law. They're all in this book.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
You see right through me, mister Thomas. It's exactly right.
I come by the way. I come from the thesis
that if you're going to write any kind of thriller
or legal thriller and an espionage thriller, it's critical that the
villains be interesting. You have to have three dimensional villains,
otherwise you have two dimensional cartoon characters, they're not fun.
So there is no shortage of villains in this book,
(06:00):
and in fact, readers have said one of them is
probably the most fascinating character in the story, despite everything
I did to make Russell Palmer and Robbie White interesting. So, yes,
there are a lot of people, and some of them
turn out to be bad. Some of them turn out
to be better than you thought they would be. So
there are many, many twists right up to the end
of the story, and I hope that readers enjoy that
(06:21):
and get that sense, as you say, of a noir thriller,
while they're reading about things that are truly are topical
in our time.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Well, use this attorney, that's the principal character in the book,
Russell Palmer, you described as an idealistic attorney, you know,
principled individual. Do you develop these in these conflicts he
has with the trust issues, the illusions of trust, you
develop some sort of moral and ethical breakdown? I mean,
is this easy engage in this moral ethical process that
(06:48):
we should all go through and dealing with somewhat nefarious types.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, very much so. And particularly because his mentor is
Robbie White, who is a retired NYPD detective who's years
older than he and he's got all the cynicism that
you get from from walking the beats in New York,
and so he sort of he sort of keeps Russell
on the straight and narrow, because sometimes Russell goes with
his instincts in terms of wanting to help people, wanting
(07:14):
to do good, but sometimes you have to be careful
because the people for whom you're doing good might not
be good themselves. And so Robbie's cynicism and Russell's idealism
is constantly a balance act that must that has to
come and play. And so that was that was truly
a lot of fun for me, because truly, Robbie White
was based on a former New York City Police detective
(07:35):
that I knew well. He was an older gentleman and
and he helped me when I began my career. So
it was a lot of fun for me to pay
ominy to him and what he did well.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I guess I have to wonder, is this a sort
of maybe a fiction cautionary tale for us out here
dealing with nefarious types in the real world. I mean,
I'm wondering why so many people are willing to trust
systems or individuals that either currently or later betray them.
I guess, are we just that easily? Do? Do we
lack a critical thinking sufficiently? And did you write this
book to kind of get us to wake the hell
(08:06):
up about those kinds of things going on?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
That's that's that's my tagline when I post on Instagram,
wake up America. I mean, all you have to do
is look at Minnesota, and people are easily duped. Yes,
And it's really sad. And you know, I grew up
in an era where you know, we learned to respect
the police officers and law enforcement officers and to trust
(08:30):
our politicians, and you know, we grew up with certain idealism,
you know, whether it was a conservative Democrat like John
Kennedy or whether it was my favorite Ronald Reagan. And
now look at what we've got to choose from. It's
almost it's almost unbelievable. And I see some of these
representatives again, I don't want to say names, but I
see some of these representatives on TV. There's one guy
(08:50):
who wants to impeach everybody. Every time he's interviewed, he's
got somebody else to impeach. And I look at him.
I think, who voted for this man?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean truly well voted for him?
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And going back to me this said, I've been struggling
with this one, DEMI did the American people really reject
what ICE is doing in getting rid of like child
molesters and rapists and hardcore murderer felons. I mean, I
find that so hard to swallow. But there you go.
You look at the mayor in Minneapolis, you look at
the governor Tim Walls. They are absolutely screaming about Ice
and encouraging the citizens to rebel against them while they're
(09:22):
enforcing federal law that remains on the books. I wonder
what kind of world I woke in.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And by the way, not everything you just said is accurate,
of course, but not just that they're enforcing the law,
but they are actually, in a day to day manner
trying to make the streets safer because of all these
people who got let into the country. And we've all
heard the chorus about murderers, rapists, kidnappers, drug drugs dealers, whatever.
Why would they not want those people remove from the street.
(09:49):
Why are they defending them and going up against law enforcement?
It just makes no logical sense. Yeah, some of them
are paid protesters, but not all of them. And then
you see them interviewed on the street and they're asked,
what are you protesting against? And they don't have an answer.
They literally can't answer, I'm here to abolish ice. What
do you understand what that means? Not really, but it
(10:10):
was a good enough slogan for me. I mean, that's
what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
True. And then amazing go back to Clinton and Obama
and H. W. Bush and Trump during his first term
and Biden, they kicked out a lot of illegal immigrants
in our country, millions and millions of them, and no
one raised a single voice against it when Obama was
doing it. But you know, evil.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Orange man, right, he had them in cages. They criticized Trump.
Obama had them in cages. He he deported three point
four million people, and no one said peep. I know,
But that's that's what's so, that's what's so mind twisting
for me personally, is that this young woman who got
(10:52):
killed on the train, the woman from the Ukraine, who
or Lake and Riley, where are the marchers and the
protesters for them? But but this woman who tries to
run over an ice officer, she gets shot in the process,
and suddenly, you know, we've got another George Floyd situation.
I mean, they picked their heroes very oddly.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
As my opinion, they do, and I can't let that
go without pointing out Ashley Babbitt got gunned down. She
didn't even present eminent apprehension and eminent a reasonable expectation
of a bodily harm, grievous bodily harm or death. I mean,
they just shot her and they all praised and got
away with it, and they praised the officer. Huh, what's
(11:31):
worse running a car into an officer or trying to
squeeze through a tiny broken window while unarmed?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Hmmm, yeah, yeah, you're so right, Jeffery, right. I just
don't know. You know, here's the real question for me,
and truly, I mean this sincerely to whoever is listening
to us. What is it going to take for America
to wake up? Do we need to find someone who
is a uniter? Like? Listen, I love most of what
(12:00):
Donald Trump does, and I know Donald Trump and personally
I know he says stupid things. Okay, I got that,
But what he's doing is fantastic. But he's not a uniter. Unfortunately,
we need somebody. I don't know who. It will be
another Reagan maybe, but someone to bring us together. What
is it going to take for the left to say,
(12:20):
you know, you know what this may we are all
Americans and this makes sense. Do we need another nine
to eleven? Do we need Durant to attack us? I mean,
what event or what person will come forward to bring
us back together? Because to me, this is really this
is a mess. I've never seen this in my lifetime,
even during the Vietnam War, because during the Vietnam War
(12:40):
it was a discreet issue. It was one single issue,
which was you were against the war or not. And
I can understand both sides, I really could. Even though
I was personally against the war at the time, I
admit that, but the idea was it was one. It
was one issue. Now we seem to be divided about
everything Trump does. These amazing If Trump found the cure
for cancer, they would criticize them for putting doctors out
(13:02):
of business.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
They would incredible.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Well, uh, since you mentioned Vietnam, don't forget we had
the Simbionese Liberation Army and the Red Army faction and
the bottom minehoff Gang and all these communists bombers left
scenes forget about that, we lived in much more dangerous times.
Pivoting over from January sixth, they blew up the Senate bathroom.
That seems to be a step above anyway, Jeffrey Stevens.
We were all over the place. The book Illusions of Trust,
(13:27):
which is on my blog page fifty five Carsee dot
com fantastic. It will be another best seller. For my
guest today, Jeffrey Stevens, it's been a real pleasure talking
with you and doing a little stream of consciousness in
there consciousness there.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I really appreciate it, and I enjoyed it. And my
wish for everybody in twenty twenty six is that we
engage in random acts of kindness, do something good for
somebody at cast nothing, and it'll make you feel better
and make the world a better place.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Amen, well, stated Jeffrey Stevens. We'll get your book. It's
on my blog page fifty five Carosee dot coms. Take
care of my friend. We'll be talking against.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
All the better book in the queue eight nineteen. Now
that you have kr C the talk station, don't go away.
I'd be right back w k r C since in
that
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