June 15, 2026 • 21 mins
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Smith, welcome back to the program, my friend. Love having
you on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh thanks for having me on, Brian. I really appreciate it,
and I'm excited to come on. Let me just you know,
chime in on all the people who continue to pray
for you and pray for you, know as you go
through the chemo treatment, you know, full complete healing.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Thanks what we're praying for, right, Thank you, man.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'll take a bad to have you back.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'll just take a break in the growth of it.
You know, I got five years out of the last one.
I appreciate the prayers the last time around, and I'll
take all I can get this time. And it just
it's really a glorious and grand thing for me just
to have to know that there are actually people in
this world who care enough about me to send a
prayer my way. Man, that's truly a life's miracle and
it does get me by. Thank you very much, Christopher.
(00:45):
It's also great having you as a friend. There's another
one in life's little miracles.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh well, I agree, man, that is that is a
shared feeling between us. So we just gotta we just
got to keep pushing through life because it is very complicated,
not easy for anyone. Yeah, period, not easy for anyone. Yeah.
I heard you had some questions this morning about our petition.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Oh yeah, real quick, missip James called. It's the petition
to get at least seven council members to thumbs up
or thumbs down on hiring and firing of the chief
of police and the fire chief. I get it all
day long. With what happened to Chief Washington, what happened
to Chief Fiji, fired for no reason, with swirling question
marks behind the scene. City Manager Long apparently has the
(01:27):
sole authority to do that, So why not get council involved?
First off, he wants to know why seven as opposed
to simple majority? And the other thing, will it impact
the collaborative Agreement at all by putting this in place,
assuming people sign the petition and vote for it.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Boy, The second one is a layup a though this
has nothing to do with the Collaborative Agreement, and this
notion that it does right is being placed and put
out there by missus Irish Rowley. So she's suggesting that
us bringing more transparency to the hiring and firing of
(02:06):
police and fire chiefs in the future has anything to
do with the collaborative agreement. Let me make a quick
point here. Two points. Number one, why would we want
one sole person making the decision about who's hired and
who's fired in the City of Cincinnati Related to those
two positions. Number two, the city manager herself cannot be
(02:31):
terminated without seven members of council saying yes. So it
is the exact same process that she affords herself right
now in her current position. And so the question, the
second question is they're nine members of council, and why
you say seven out of nine is because to get
to seven it tells you there's something egregious going on.
(02:55):
If it were five or four, five to four, like
in the Senate they say we want sixty votes at
a fifty here, it just says it's a heavier lift
here to say, you've got to get those two extra
members of council out of nine to say, whatever is
happening related to that fire chief or police chief's employment,
it's serious, serious enough for seven to say, hey, you're
(03:17):
going to lose your job or not lose your job
in this case. If you can imagine, the city manager
comes before council is saying it, I want to fire
the fire chief, and I want you don't think I've
ever said this. The reason, my speculation, not a fact,
of why I believe the fire chief was terminated is
this simple. The mayor wanted his own fire chief. Remember
(03:41):
this fire chief was hired by John Cranley, and politicians
get a little you know, They're like, I want my
own people, I want my own administration around me. So
they instead of going to Chief Washington and saying, hey,
Chief Washington, we want to change horses here, right, they
just went to him and just violently fired him without cause.
(04:02):
Now that speculation, but I don't think the public appreciates
that fire Chief Washington was hired by the previous administration.
He was left over. He had only served two years,
and I think this mayor wanted him out. It's that simple.
And because the mayor has the power to recommend termination
(04:25):
of the city manager, he or she holds tremendous power
over the executives. And so he says, I want this
person out, and that city manager goes and does the bedding,
the bidding of the mayor. I think that's how it
ultimately played out.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well at Boss Consernt the time in this segment, I
just have to observe. You know a question mark was
Chief Washington doing a poor job? If it was a
poor job, then there was a reason to fire him.
So what's wrong with leaving him in place if he's
doing a good job. And I would say it's really
damn childish to just do it because I want my
guy Lord Talk Station thirty two if you have ker
(05:01):
City Talk Station Bran Thomas with Christopher Smith and doing
that Smithervan thing. Christopher, you got the floor, my brother?
What else is going on?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, this is let's just stay with this just for
a quick sertin because citizens can sign the petition. You know,
sometimes we say what can we do? You know, how
can I put it together and help? And right now
we need citizens in Cincinnati to come and sign the petition.
And so there there are three locations. One is Dale
(05:31):
High Barber's four roh to Greenwell Avenue. The owner there
is Victor Fabreau. He lives in Price Hill, but he's
the barber there. You can he has the petition, you
can sign it. Dave Backer Auto, he has the petition.
There's there are city people that work there. They have
the petition. And then Jim and Jack on River Road
(05:53):
people can come in and sign the sign the petition.
And so the question is, and we have a lot
of other people that petitions in their hands and they're
running around and they're collecting signatures. I want to just
explain that signing the petition doesn't even say whether you
support the issue. It means you believe in democracy and
you believe in November that citizens have the right to
(06:15):
say yes or no. You know, sometimes what happens here
is what democrats tend to do in our city is
say don't sign, don't sign, don't sign. Some of them
are communists, right. The reality of it is is signing
the petition doesn't say yes, I support the issue. This
is the beginning of citizens engaging in their process to
(06:35):
petition their government saying we'd like to see this issue
on the ballot. So it's not even about sorting out
whether you like it or not. Do you agree that
we have the right to petition our government to place
the issue on the ballot. And the issue is simply
as saying we don't want this power vested in the
city manager. Why do we want a consultant? And I'll
(06:56):
end with this part of it having the power to
influence the city manager on who to hire and fire
in the police department without us knowing about it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You're talking about Iris Rawlings, correct, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Saying we have somebody working very closely, We have the
mayor who can put influence on the city manager, and
none of the other people that we've elected have any
insight to say yes or no to it. I think
we have a problem here and this has nothing to
do with the collaborative agreement, And the only reason someone
(07:30):
would assert that is they're attempting to assert race into
this discussion. Let me remind the public that Chief Washington,
Michael Washington, who was terminated, is a black American.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
This is.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
A lot of people don't even know that Chief Washington
is a black American. So when people say, well, this
has everything to do with the collaboraive agreement and Chief
Fiji is a white female, right, the reality that we
don't care about you and I and you're listening artists,
We don't care about what the gender is with the
race of the verson. We're talking about the process, and
(08:05):
we're saying we don't want any city manager in the
future to solely have the power to make this decision,
and us, the taxpayers when Chief Washington settles this lawsuit
Brian Thomas by the end of the year, prior to
this even being voted on, he's going to get at
a minimum, in my estimation, five million, and he probably
(08:27):
will get north of ten million if they go to trial,
because the lower court has already said you had no
cause to fire him. Chief Fiji is going through the
administrative process, so she hasn't started her litigation, so her
litigation might go on for three years. But Chief Washington
will be settled this year. He's already three years in
(08:47):
Brian Thomas, and it's going to be a massive settlement
for a decision a city manager made without the Board
of Trustees, the nine members of council. Thank you for
allowing me to stretch out on that since a citizen
called in an after that. When we come back, brother,
I do have some very hot topics with a lot
of energy and out. You know. Part of it is
(09:07):
the traffic stops study that was just dropped like a
grenade in the middle of our community.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, that would be from Campaign zero, a project of
we the protesters inquid started in the talk station, the
fifty five Krosite talk station, continuing the Smitherman pivoting over
to the topic Christopher Smithvan again, you have the floor.
Let's talk about this survey that was done suggesting the
(09:36):
Cincinni Police Department or I guess races because of the
breakdown of traffic stops. Go ahead and have at it,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
First, let me be clear, straight out of the gate,
our Cincinnati Police Department is one of the best run,
the best diverse, the most diverse by race and gender
in the city of Cincinnati. There is no department right
in the city that has the level of diversity Black Americans,
(10:06):
White Americans, Latino Americans, women, men, Asian, you name it,
We've got it.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Right, there is no department. So the reality of it
is there are black American police officers who are also
out there doing stops.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And to assert that those Black Americans, I'm gonna get
to the white too, but get to assert that the
Black Americans are racist because they're pulling a car over
is insane. Meaning our officers are out there doing their job.
Number two, our white officers who are stopping cars, which
(10:49):
is what we want them to do. It's called proactive policeing.
Somebody is rolling through, they don't have a license plate,
or they're driving fifty or sixty or sixty five mile
an hour bond Hill right down Reading Road into Rose Line,
jumping in and out of car. If you want a
safe place, a safe zone where our children are crossing
(11:12):
the crosswalk going across deal over on the other side,
or California who are catching the bus on either side,
you gotta slow traffic down. And the bond Hill Community
Council has been requesting that the police come and do
that kind of traffic control in their business district. Roseline
(11:32):
has been requesting that the police come places like Price
Hill on Warsaw full of prostitution, full of drug trafficking,
the McDonald's and the Kroger's at the top right over
by seating an elder. They've been requesting that the police come.
This methodology. You and I don't know anything about what
this group is, who they are, who paid for it,
(11:55):
how they came up with their numbers. It is insane
to just drop a report like this and say, hey man,
the Cincinnati Police Department are racist. But here's the motivation.
Here's the motivation. The motivation is to secure more contracts
with the city. The motivation is to push the agenda
that the Collaborative Agreement and all these other things that
(12:18):
that we've we've been through. We are on the other
side of We've got to make sure we bring it
back in order to justify spending more and more and
more money on things like that. That's where we are.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, that's where these NGOs come from. You know, where
you don't have a genuine problem, you create one. Let
we learned from the Southern Property Law Center they were
paying KKK members to gin up and to talk about
you know, racist acts and violent acts and to be
warned about them. They were paid to do that. Those
(12:52):
I mean, they wouldn't have allegations if it wasn't for
a paycheck coming from one of these outside entities. Was
once you know, oh my god, they are the you know,
the gold standard for identifying hate groups. Well it turns
out there wasn't really a whole lot of hate there,
so they'd pay to make some up.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I really ploy that the Sentinels, who are an organization connected,
will speak out very publicly about their brothers and sisters
who are in law enforcement and literally hold a press conference.
It's been my dream that the Sentinels get a voice
here and say this is absolutely unacceptable and wrong. Okay,
(13:31):
but I'm sharing with you. The motivation is money, the
motivation is power, the motivation is politics. Right, we want
to move into the November election in Cincinnati, gin up
black Americans who are by the way, Brian Thomas, requesting
that the police come into their neighborhoods. This suggestion that
(13:52):
the small percentage of criminals that are in our city
black or white, right, that the super majority of US
black and white Latino Asian male or female aren't getting
up every day right now driving into work. They're listening
to us as they drive into work every single day.
They are law abiding citizens. And those law abiding citizens
(14:12):
are calling the police and wanting them to come in.
I bet that wasn't a part of any of it.
Meaning it's not just about traffic stops, it's about the
community coming together. Brian Thomas, I served as the vice
mayor for a long time, and they the community council
say we would like the police to come in and
aggressively police this area. I guarantee you there was no
(14:34):
connection between the stops and those resolutions that are coming
from our community councils, Meaning they were requested to come
in and do those stops to slow down traffic so
our children aren't being run down in the middle of
the street. Or there's gun violence like we saw in
Millville drive through boom boom boom boom boom boom boom
boom boom boom boom boom boom this weekend. Or the
(14:56):
twenty five year old Yale Right who was killed right
in villages of roll Hill, Michael Smith died age twenty five.
Boom boom boom boom boom shot down. Guess what the
community did. The community rally together, we want safe streets,
get the gun down. They did that this weekend.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
They did.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
They're requesting that the police come into roll Hill, right,
So if they're doing the study, why don't they say
community requested increased presence of police. That then justifies why
they're there.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yes, they didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do that, they justifies it. I was the chair of
Law and Public Safety, Dude, I'm telling you, the community
councils are texting, emailing and requesting the police. So now
the police come, they do a study like this that
the police officers are doing what the community wants, and
then they say, hey, man, this is racist. It's not.
(15:48):
The community is requesting that they be there.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yes, well, boss, you see he's got a lot pent up.
Let's bring Christopher back for a little bit more. We
have one more segments seven forty seven right now, if
you five K City Talk Teation and get in touches. Yeah,
fifty five KARCB Talk station. By the time us was
Christopher Smithman to do when the last segment in the smith
event before we get to money, Monday's Brian James uf
the top of the air and it is Christopher more
on this alleged bias and police pullover reports we received.
(16:13):
I know you mentioned the Sentinel president and Centinel Police
Association Stuart Isaac, who is the president. He said, I've
been told about the information. There's some questions to it
being inaccurate. The numbers might be skewed, he acknowledged. Apparently,
City manager Long said, well, we got it, and we're
gonna have to hire an external expert who can do
their own independent review because the city wasn't involved, nor
was the police department involved. Apparently even excluded Iris Roy
(16:35):
believe it or not, in doing this report. So she says,
you know that doesn't we need to provide a thoroughfare
in full picture, and ask all the naysayers and those
most critical of us. Isaac said, you know, those most
critical of us, just allow the process, like any investigation,
to come to fruition before we start taking a diving
leap off the cliff and accuse us of doing some
things that maybe we have not done at all. So
(16:57):
sounds to me like he's like, no way, don't take
it at phase five. Let's have someone legitimately review this
because it was apparently a biased outside campaign. Zero NNGO.
I guess, go ahead, Chris.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm glad to hear that the president is making a comment.
We need real clarity here. And the point is the
only reason you and I are talking about it is
that the Cincinnati Inquirer did a hit piece on it.
Oh yeah, right, So we wouldn't be discussing it right
now if it wasn't in the public domain. So let's
go to the Inquiry and ask their editorial board stop
writing about things before you have all of the information.
(17:31):
The problem is they drop the grenade and then walk away.
They don't put all the disclaimers that you just put
out there about the study. There's going to be an investigation.
We don't really know who's behind it. Do they do
a follow up report and tell us all of that information.
It's just an unfair report. And the police department and
law enforcement all across the country they're under political power,
(17:54):
like political shooting at them, saying not literally but sometimes
literally that I'm saying politically speak Tivley, and being a
police officer is the toughest job right now. They're being
asked to do so much, so many different ways that
their heads are spinning on a swivel out there. I'm
just saying, this was the wrong time for us to
(18:14):
be pushing back right now. I'm looking at fifty two
neighborhoods right and we've got it. We had a dead
body on Yarmouth yarnmorth Over in bond Hill last weekend
and that's in a playground, kind of basketball area, kind
of tucked off of reading road. Dead body. We got
a dead body that I just talked about over on
Villages of row Hill mckil smith, Gy. Today's twenty five.
(18:37):
Here's the most Here's the most troubling part about the report,
and then I'll close my mouth about it, is that
if we ask ourselves in Cincinnati. We'll say Cincinnati is
forty eight or forty nine percent African Americans. Okay, so
then if we ask ourselves where's the crime happening? Where
is it? That's the big question, is the crime happening?
And Mouth Adams, Hey, Mouth Adams, welcome to the party.
(18:58):
Fifty of your cars were broke it into. But you
guys voted for this administration. This is who you voted for.
That's a nice little commercial for them. Right it's now
heading into Mount Adam. Fifty of your cars were hit.
All at the same time. My point to you is
that we have to understand that the crime levels in
Row Hill, or crime levels that are happening in Warsaw
(19:21):
and Price Hill. I'm giving those two examples that we
want our police going to those hot spots, so we
expect them to be deterring crime. And it might be
that disproportionately in Cincinnati they are detaining or arresting black
Americans or white Americans in those two neighborhoods as an example,
if that's where the crime is, I'm frustrated that it's
(19:44):
almost like, hey man, you're doing something that's really bad,
when the reality of it is, like I said, the
neighborhoods are requesting the police to come there, and they're
really just following the crime. That's what we want cops
to do. Leave all this other stuff alone, so that
at the end of the day, you and I are
I mean, that's that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Period period and officer presence, an officer in arrests decrease crime.
It's no, the word gets out if you commit something,
don't commit a traffic violation. Make sure your car's got
license plates on it, you know, all the normal things.
You know what, I've joked about this before. You know,
I hear about you know, driving while black, and I
appreciate that might be a phenomenon from time to time,
(20:23):
and I know was much more pervasive back in the day.
But you know what, I get pulled over in the
middle of the night. Why because I'm going to work
at three o'clock in the morning. If you're out of
the street at three o'clock in the morning, they're gonna
figure out a way to pull you over. And oh, look,
Thomas white guy got pulled over because he didn't have
a front license plate on. That was when you had
to display one. Was that trip really necessary? Well, you
know what, you let me go because it wasn't drunk,
(20:44):
and I think that's what he guy expected. You know,
that's policing, active policing, and word gets out. Don't commit
crimes and don't be an idiot, and especially don't engage
in gun violence in any neighborhood period, or you will
get arrested. It's about time arrest because that's the most
important leg of the criminal justice system.
Smith, welcome back to the program, my friend. Love having
you on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh thanks for having me on, Brian. I really appreciate it,
and I'm excited to come on. Let me just you know,
chime in on all the people who continue to pray
for you and pray for you, know as you go
through the chemo treatment, you know, full complete healing.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Thanks what we're praying for, right, Thank you, man.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'll take a bad to have you back.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'll just take a break in the growth of it.
You know, I got five years out of the last one.
I appreciate the prayers the last time around, and I'll
take all I can get this time. And it just
it's really a glorious and grand thing for me just
to have to know that there are actually people in
this world who care enough about me to send a
prayer my way. Man, that's truly a life's miracle and
it does get me by. Thank you very much, Christopher.
(00:45):
It's also great having you as a friend. There's another
one in life's little miracles.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Oh well, I agree, man, that is that is a
shared feeling between us. So we just gotta we just
got to keep pushing through life because it is very complicated,
not easy for anyone. Yeah, period, not easy for anyone. Yeah.
I heard you had some questions this morning about our petition.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Oh yeah, real quick, missip James called. It's the petition
to get at least seven council members to thumbs up
or thumbs down on hiring and firing of the chief
of police and the fire chief. I get it all
day long. With what happened to Chief Washington, what happened
to Chief Fiji, fired for no reason, with swirling question
marks behind the scene. City Manager Long apparently has the
(01:27):
sole authority to do that, So why not get council involved?
First off, he wants to know why seven as opposed
to simple majority? And the other thing, will it impact
the collaborative Agreement at all by putting this in place,
assuming people sign the petition and vote for it.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Boy, The second one is a layup a though this
has nothing to do with the Collaborative Agreement, and this
notion that it does right is being placed and put
out there by missus Irish Rowley. So she's suggesting that
us bringing more transparency to the hiring and firing of
(02:06):
police and fire chiefs in the future has anything to
do with the collaborative agreement. Let me make a quick
point here. Two points. Number one, why would we want
one sole person making the decision about who's hired and
who's fired in the City of Cincinnati Related to those
two positions. Number two, the city manager herself cannot be
(02:31):
terminated without seven members of council saying yes. So it
is the exact same process that she affords herself right
now in her current position. And so the question, the
second question is they're nine members of council, and why
you say seven out of nine is because to get
to seven it tells you there's something egregious going on.
(02:55):
If it were five or four, five to four, like
in the Senate they say we want sixty votes at
a fifty here, it just says it's a heavier lift
here to say, you've got to get those two extra
members of council out of nine to say, whatever is
happening related to that fire chief or police chief's employment,
it's serious, serious enough for seven to say, hey, you're
(03:17):
going to lose your job or not lose your job
in this case. If you can imagine, the city manager
comes before council is saying it, I want to fire
the fire chief, and I want you don't think I've
ever said this. The reason, my speculation, not a fact,
of why I believe the fire chief was terminated is
this simple. The mayor wanted his own fire chief. Remember
(03:41):
this fire chief was hired by John Cranley, and politicians
get a little you know, They're like, I want my
own people, I want my own administration around me. So
they instead of going to Chief Washington and saying, hey,
Chief Washington, we want to change horses here, right, they
just went to him and just violently fired him without cause.
(04:02):
Now that speculation, but I don't think the public appreciates
that fire Chief Washington was hired by the previous administration.
He was left over. He had only served two years,
and I think this mayor wanted him out. It's that simple.
And because the mayor has the power to recommend termination
(04:25):
of the city manager, he or she holds tremendous power
over the executives. And so he says, I want this
person out, and that city manager goes and does the bedding,
the bidding of the mayor. I think that's how it
ultimately played out.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Well at Boss Consernt the time in this segment, I
just have to observe. You know a question mark was
Chief Washington doing a poor job? If it was a
poor job, then there was a reason to fire him.
So what's wrong with leaving him in place if he's
doing a good job. And I would say it's really
damn childish to just do it because I want my
guy Lord Talk Station thirty two if you have ker
(05:01):
City Talk Station Bran Thomas with Christopher Smith and doing
that Smithervan thing. Christopher, you got the floor, my brother?
What else is going on?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, this is let's just stay with this just for
a quick sertin because citizens can sign the petition. You know,
sometimes we say what can we do? You know, how
can I put it together and help? And right now
we need citizens in Cincinnati to come and sign the petition.
And so there there are three locations. One is Dale
(05:31):
High Barber's four roh to Greenwell Avenue. The owner there
is Victor Fabreau. He lives in Price Hill, but he's
the barber there. You can he has the petition, you
can sign it. Dave Backer Auto, he has the petition.
There's there are city people that work there. They have
the petition. And then Jim and Jack on River Road
(05:53):
people can come in and sign the sign the petition.
And so the question is, and we have a lot
of other people that petitions in their hands and they're
running around and they're collecting signatures. I want to just
explain that signing the petition doesn't even say whether you
support the issue. It means you believe in democracy and
you believe in November that citizens have the right to
(06:15):
say yes or no. You know, sometimes what happens here
is what democrats tend to do in our city is
say don't sign, don't sign, don't sign. Some of them
are communists, right. The reality of it is is signing
the petition doesn't say yes, I support the issue. This
is the beginning of citizens engaging in their process to
(06:35):
petition their government saying we'd like to see this issue
on the ballot. So it's not even about sorting out
whether you like it or not. Do you agree that
we have the right to petition our government to place
the issue on the ballot. And the issue is simply
as saying we don't want this power vested in the
city manager. Why do we want a consultant? And I'll
(06:56):
end with this part of it having the power to
influence the city manager on who to hire and fire
in the police department without us knowing about it.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
You're talking about Iris Rawlings, correct, I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Saying we have somebody working very closely, We have the
mayor who can put influence on the city manager, and
none of the other people that we've elected have any
insight to say yes or no to it. I think
we have a problem here and this has nothing to
do with the collaborative agreement, And the only reason someone
(07:30):
would assert that is they're attempting to assert race into
this discussion. Let me remind the public that Chief Washington,
Michael Washington, who was terminated, is a black American.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
This is.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
A lot of people don't even know that Chief Washington
is a black American. So when people say, well, this
has everything to do with the collaboraive agreement and Chief
Fiji is a white female, right, the reality that we
don't care about you and I and you're listening artists,
We don't care about what the gender is with the
race of the verson. We're talking about the process, and
(08:05):
we're saying we don't want any city manager in the
future to solely have the power to make this decision,
and us, the taxpayers when Chief Washington settles this lawsuit
Brian Thomas by the end of the year, prior to
this even being voted on, he's going to get at
a minimum, in my estimation, five million, and he probably
(08:27):
will get north of ten million if they go to trial,
because the lower court has already said you had no
cause to fire him. Chief Fiji is going through the
administrative process, so she hasn't started her litigation, so her
litigation might go on for three years. But Chief Washington
will be settled this year. He's already three years in
(08:47):
Brian Thomas, and it's going to be a massive settlement
for a decision a city manager made without the Board
of Trustees, the nine members of council. Thank you for
allowing me to stretch out on that since a citizen
called in an after that. When we come back, brother,
I do have some very hot topics with a lot
of energy and out. You know. Part of it is
(09:07):
the traffic stops study that was just dropped like a
grenade in the middle of our community.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, that would be from Campaign zero, a project of
we the protesters inquid started in the talk station, the
fifty five Krosite talk station, continuing the Smitherman pivoting over
to the topic Christopher Smithvan again, you have the floor.
Let's talk about this survey that was done suggesting the
(09:36):
Cincinni Police Department or I guess races because of the
breakdown of traffic stops. Go ahead and have at it,
my friend.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
First, let me be clear, straight out of the gate,
our Cincinnati Police Department is one of the best run,
the best diverse, the most diverse by race and gender
in the city of Cincinnati. There is no department right
in the city that has the level of diversity Black Americans,
(10:06):
White Americans, Latino Americans, women, men, Asian, you name it,
We've got it.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Right, there is no department. So the reality of it
is there are black American police officers who are also
out there doing stops.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And to assert that those Black Americans, I'm gonna get
to the white too, but get to assert that the
Black Americans are racist because they're pulling a car over
is insane. Meaning our officers are out there doing their job.
Number two, our white officers who are stopping cars, which
(10:49):
is what we want them to do. It's called proactive policeing.
Somebody is rolling through, they don't have a license plate,
or they're driving fifty or sixty or sixty five mile
an hour bond Hill right down Reading Road into Rose Line,
jumping in and out of car. If you want a
safe place, a safe zone where our children are crossing
(11:12):
the crosswalk going across deal over on the other side,
or California who are catching the bus on either side,
you gotta slow traffic down. And the bond Hill Community
Council has been requesting that the police come and do
that kind of traffic control in their business district. Roseline
(11:32):
has been requesting that the police come places like Price
Hill on Warsaw full of prostitution, full of drug trafficking,
the McDonald's and the Kroger's at the top right over
by seating an elder. They've been requesting that the police come.
This methodology. You and I don't know anything about what
this group is, who they are, who paid for it,
(11:55):
how they came up with their numbers. It is insane
to just drop a report like this and say, hey man,
the Cincinnati Police Department are racist. But here's the motivation.
Here's the motivation. The motivation is to secure more contracts
with the city. The motivation is to push the agenda
that the Collaborative Agreement and all these other things that
(12:18):
that we've we've been through. We are on the other
side of We've got to make sure we bring it
back in order to justify spending more and more and
more money on things like that. That's where we are.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, that's where these NGOs come from. You know, where
you don't have a genuine problem, you create one. Let
we learned from the Southern Property Law Center they were
paying KKK members to gin up and to talk about
you know, racist acts and violent acts and to be
warned about them. They were paid to do that. Those
(12:52):
I mean, they wouldn't have allegations if it wasn't for
a paycheck coming from one of these outside entities. Was
once you know, oh my god, they are the you know,
the gold standard for identifying hate groups. Well it turns
out there wasn't really a whole lot of hate there,
so they'd pay to make some up.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I really ploy that the Sentinels, who are an organization connected,
will speak out very publicly about their brothers and sisters
who are in law enforcement and literally hold a press conference.
It's been my dream that the Sentinels get a voice
here and say this is absolutely unacceptable and wrong. Okay,
(13:31):
but I'm sharing with you. The motivation is money, the
motivation is power, the motivation is politics. Right, we want
to move into the November election in Cincinnati, gin up
black Americans who are by the way, Brian Thomas, requesting
that the police come into their neighborhoods. This suggestion that
(13:52):
the small percentage of criminals that are in our city
black or white, right, that the super majority of US
black and white Latino Asian male or female aren't getting
up every day right now driving into work. They're listening
to us as they drive into work every single day.
They are law abiding citizens. And those law abiding citizens
(14:12):
are calling the police and wanting them to come in.
I bet that wasn't a part of any of it.
Meaning it's not just about traffic stops, it's about the
community coming together. Brian Thomas, I served as the vice
mayor for a long time, and they the community council
say we would like the police to come in and
aggressively police this area. I guarantee you there was no
(14:34):
connection between the stops and those resolutions that are coming
from our community councils, Meaning they were requested to come
in and do those stops to slow down traffic so
our children aren't being run down in the middle of
the street. Or there's gun violence like we saw in
Millville drive through boom boom boom boom boom boom boom
boom boom boom boom boom boom this weekend. Or the
(14:56):
twenty five year old Yale Right who was killed right
in villages of roll Hill, Michael Smith died age twenty five.
Boom boom boom boom boom shot down. Guess what the
community did. The community rally together, we want safe streets,
get the gun down. They did that this weekend.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
They did.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
They're requesting that the police come into roll Hill, right,
So if they're doing the study, why don't they say
community requested increased presence of police. That then justifies why
they're there.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yes, they didn't.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do that, they justifies it. I was the chair of
Law and Public Safety, Dude, I'm telling you, the community
councils are texting, emailing and requesting the police. So now
the police come, they do a study like this that
the police officers are doing what the community wants, and
then they say, hey, man, this is racist. It's not.
(15:48):
The community is requesting that they be there.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yes, well, boss, you see he's got a lot pent up.
Let's bring Christopher back for a little bit more. We
have one more segments seven forty seven right now, if
you five K City Talk Teation and get in touches. Yeah,
fifty five KARCB Talk station. By the time us was
Christopher Smithman to do when the last segment in the smith
event before we get to money, Monday's Brian James uf
the top of the air and it is Christopher more
on this alleged bias and police pullover reports we received.
(16:13):
I know you mentioned the Sentinel president and Centinel Police
Association Stuart Isaac, who is the president. He said, I've
been told about the information. There's some questions to it
being inaccurate. The numbers might be skewed, he acknowledged. Apparently,
City manager Long said, well, we got it, and we're
gonna have to hire an external expert who can do
their own independent review because the city wasn't involved, nor
was the police department involved. Apparently even excluded Iris Roy
(16:35):
believe it or not, in doing this report. So she says,
you know that doesn't we need to provide a thoroughfare
in full picture, and ask all the naysayers and those
most critical of us. Isaac said, you know, those most
critical of us, just allow the process, like any investigation,
to come to fruition before we start taking a diving
leap off the cliff and accuse us of doing some
things that maybe we have not done at all. So
(16:57):
sounds to me like he's like, no way, don't take
it at phase five. Let's have someone legitimately review this
because it was apparently a biased outside campaign. Zero NNGO.
I guess, go ahead, Chris.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I'm glad to hear that the president is making a comment.
We need real clarity here. And the point is the
only reason you and I are talking about it is
that the Cincinnati Inquirer did a hit piece on it.
Oh yeah, right, So we wouldn't be discussing it right
now if it wasn't in the public domain. So let's
go to the Inquiry and ask their editorial board stop
writing about things before you have all of the information.
(17:31):
The problem is they drop the grenade and then walk away.
They don't put all the disclaimers that you just put
out there about the study. There's going to be an investigation.
We don't really know who's behind it. Do they do
a follow up report and tell us all of that information.
It's just an unfair report. And the police department and
law enforcement all across the country they're under political power,
(17:54):
like political shooting at them, saying not literally but sometimes
literally that I'm saying politically speak Tivley, and being a
police officer is the toughest job right now. They're being
asked to do so much, so many different ways that
their heads are spinning on a swivel out there. I'm
just saying, this was the wrong time for us to
(18:14):
be pushing back right now. I'm looking at fifty two
neighborhoods right and we've got it. We had a dead
body on Yarmouth yarnmorth Over in bond Hill last weekend
and that's in a playground, kind of basketball area, kind
of tucked off of reading road. Dead body. We got
a dead body that I just talked about over on
Villages of row Hill mckil smith, Gy. Today's twenty five.
(18:37):
Here's the most Here's the most troubling part about the report,
and then I'll close my mouth about it, is that
if we ask ourselves in Cincinnati. We'll say Cincinnati is
forty eight or forty nine percent African Americans. Okay, so
then if we ask ourselves where's the crime happening? Where
is it? That's the big question, is the crime happening?
And Mouth Adams, Hey, Mouth Adams, welcome to the party.
(18:58):
Fifty of your cars were broke it into. But you
guys voted for this administration. This is who you voted for.
That's a nice little commercial for them. Right it's now
heading into Mount Adam. Fifty of your cars were hit.
All at the same time. My point to you is
that we have to understand that the crime levels in
Row Hill, or crime levels that are happening in Warsaw
(19:21):
and Price Hill. I'm giving those two examples that we
want our police going to those hot spots, so we
expect them to be deterring crime. And it might be
that disproportionately in Cincinnati they are detaining or arresting black
Americans or white Americans in those two neighborhoods as an example,
if that's where the crime is, I'm frustrated that it's
(19:44):
almost like, hey man, you're doing something that's really bad,
when the reality of it is, like I said, the
neighborhoods are requesting the police to come there, and they're
really just following the crime. That's what we want cops
to do. Leave all this other stuff alone, so that
at the end of the day, you and I are
I mean, that's that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Period period and officer presence, an officer in arrests decrease crime.
It's no, the word gets out if you commit something,
don't commit a traffic violation. Make sure your car's got
license plates on it, you know, all the normal things.
You know what, I've joked about this before. You know,
I hear about you know, driving while black, and I
appreciate that might be a phenomenon from time to time,
(20:23):
and I know was much more pervasive back in the day.
But you know what, I get pulled over in the
middle of the night. Why because I'm going to work
at three o'clock in the morning. If you're out of
the street at three o'clock in the morning, they're gonna
figure out a way to pull you over. And oh, look,
Thomas white guy got pulled over because he didn't have
a front license plate on. That was when you had
to display one. Was that trip really necessary? Well, you
know what, you let me go because it wasn't drunk,
(20:44):
and I think that's what he guy expected. You know,
that's policing, active policing, and word gets out. Don't commit
crimes and don't be an idiot, and especially don't engage
in gun violence in any neighborhood period, or you will
get arrested. It's about time arrest because that's the most
important leg of the criminal justice system.
Brian Thomas News
Popular Podcasts
Hey Jonas!
Hey Jonas! The official Jonas Brothers podcast. Hosted by Kevin, Joe, and Nick Jonas. It’s the Jonas Brothers you know... musicians, actors, and well, yes, brothers. Now, they’re sharing another side of themselves in the playful, intimate, and irreverent way only they can. Spend time with the Jonas Brothers here and stay a little bit longer for deep conversations like never before.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com