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Fifty five KARC the talk station atoh five Here fifty
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Alton about him in the hour has this case every Wednesday.
And I'm happy to welcome to the fifty five CARS
Morning Show. High State Senator George Lyon, currently serving his
second term of the High State Representative people of the
fourth Senate District covering the majority Butler County, elected by
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his Senate College the Service Senate Minority Whip Majority rother
Whip for the one hundred and six thirty six General Assembly.
He previously served a couple of terms Ohio House of
Representatives and he's here in the fifty five kr SEE
Morning Show to talk about the Ohio budget bill. Mike
DeWine vetoed sixty seven provisions in the bill. We'll talk
a little bit about that. Welcome back, Senator Lang. It's
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a pleasure having you on the morning show.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Brian Gabe, great to be back with you. Thanks for
having me my friend in sixty seven vetos. Can you
imagine that one of the last time you had to
sign something sixty seven times.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You know, it's just fond memories of the two seconds
that Ronald Reagan had the line item veto and then
the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional. We do have it
in the state of Ohio for whatever good or bad
it brings about, and it brought about some bad the
other day, Mike de Wines sort of revealing his true
nature politically. But let's start by congratulating you and our
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other elected officials for capping the income tax at two
point seventy five percent flat for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
You know, it's been my number one objective since I
got up to the State House eight years ago, and
my ultimate goal is to eliminate the income tax all together. Yeah,
and you know, it may take Micah a week or
two to get over his cramping hands and maybe corporal
tunnel syndromel set in. I don't know, but I feel
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really really good about our odds of eliminating the income
tax altogether under a Governor Ramaswami.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, since the future governor of the state of Ohiaramaswami
was on my program yesterday, he embraced that concept completely.
I asked him about that very specific thing he said, absolutely,
we are going to eliminate the income tax completely. I mean,
talk about creating a more competitive state. It's going to
be wonderful. It's going to be wonderful for the state
of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Mike, it really is. And if you just look at
what happened in Ohio in the last fifty years, go
back with me to nineteen seventy. Not only was the
music a lot better back then, but in nineteen seventy,
Ohio itself was rock and rolling. We're making automobiles, tires,
consumer goods, steal We are the economic epicenter of the
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United States of America. And fast forward to twenty twenty.
In nineteen seventy, Ohio was the twelfth largest economy in
the world. In twenty twenty, Ohio became the twenty fourth
largest economy in the world. We're still slightly larger than Morocco, Mike,
but we're shadow of where we used to be. And Oh,
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I'm sorry, Brian. And in nineteen seventy, Brian, the average
Ohioan made ten percent more than the average American, Bryan.
In twenty twenty, the average Ohioan made twelve percent less
than the average American. And in nineteen seventy, we go
from twenty four congressmen to fifteen. What happened the income tax.
We put the income tax in in nineteen seventy one.
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One tax after another, one regulation after another, Brian, we
started driving businesses away and people went to where the
jobs were. No state in America got their butt kicked
worst in Ohio in terms of congressional representation loss from
nineteen seventy to twenty twenty. By the way, last year,
the average Ohioan made four percent more than the average American.
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And I guarantee you we're going to add a congressman
in twenty thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Appreciate your optimism, sharing the optimism of vivek Ramaswami, he man.
I'm telling you can't help but being thus and optimistic
about the future. When you talk to that guy, he
really is a cheerleader for the state in the future.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And you know, Ohio's future is bright. I mean, if
you just look at what does happened since we have
started lowering income sackers. Then it started about twenty years ago.
We got real serious about it about eight years ago,
and look what happened, Brian. Look at all the companies
coming back to Ohio, Amazon, Honda, Google, Ford andrew O,
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Intel building the biggest chips factory, and the Galaxy right
here in Ohio. But what I'm more excited about, Brian,
are the little guys. In the last six years, two
point one million startup businesses in Ohio, more than the
previous twenty years combined. Ohio. Last year, fourteen percent of
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all startups in America were in Ohio. We are the
startup capital of the world. We're just not the state
to keep your business where the state to start it.
I want to make us a state to grow it,
to keep it, and to stay here.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Well, and also to market itself. So those businesses that
are dealing with outrageous taxes and outrageous regulatory issues, that
they want to move to the state of Ohio, like
so many states are. So many companies did moving out
of New York and California. Now, speaking of that, I
understand that the governor, one of the vetos, he stripped
out the reins acts, reforms that would have strengthened legislative
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oversight of these ridiculously costly regulations. This is one of
the things Americans for Prosperity has its eye on. By
way of overriding the veto. Were you a little shocked
that he did that? And do you have any concept
of or any idea of knowing why Governor de Wine
pulled that particular one out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I believe everything that Governor the Wine vetoed, his motives
were pure. I do believe he's a good man. I
believe I disagree with him often, but I believe his
motives were pure. But this one, I truly believe that
Governor de Wine thinks that government knows best. We had
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a meeting with the Department of Taxation, with the director
and a few of their deputies, UH several years ago,
with several of my colleagues in the House of Representatives,
myself and Senator Johnson, and it was obvious that the
bureaucrats were in charge. They did not listen to a
thing we said. We did not intimidate them, and it
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was a simple fix that they could have made without
any legislative action, and they told us no. You know
that It's one of the problems with term limits, although
I fully support it, but term limits you end up
giving power to lobbyists and bureaucrats, at least lobbyists. I
understand their motive. It is the profit motive, a pure
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and noble motive. But these bureaucrats, they scare me and
I don't understand their motive. And they are they are
They have way too much power and Columbus today.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Well, they're not accountable to the people, as you point out,
if they're not elected, they don't have to run for reelection,
they get to make any decision they damn well please
and can well ignore the even just the concept of
representative democracy is he just pointed out in that one illustration.
So but I mean, whether his motives are pure or not,
he stripped out the rains reforms, which would put that
power right back in the hands of the legislative branch
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where it belongs.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
That's not as correct and then very disappointing.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
All right, So what is there a time frame to
override these vetos? I know everybody's on break right now,
Independence Day and otherwise, but are you gonna have to
call people back to Columbus to vote on these or
can you kick the can down for the road for
a month or two and then vote on repeals? How
does this work, Senator?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, Constitutionally, we have until the very last day of
this General Assembly, which would be December thirty first of
twenty twenty six. The reality is there are quite a
few things I think, at least speaking on behalf of
the Senate that you know, we we had a leadership
meet in and discussed a few things that we think
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are important to override. You know, every single override has
to originate in the House. So no matter what we
do in the Senate, because this is a House bill,
it has to start in the House. I think the
simple to your answer to your question is, yeah, we
do have I believe the will for some VETO overrides.
I don't think we have the will to override all
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the VETO overrides, but I think you will see us
do some. I don't think we'll be called back during
the summer. You know, everybody has summer plans. I have
recently been diagnosed with stage four colo rectal cancer. Some
treatments down in Tijuana and in July. And don't you
dare awe me. I'm not a woe with me kind
of guy. You cancer kind of guys. I'm taking I'm
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gonna kick your ass again. That's that's that's.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Good for you man. That's a great attitude. To have,
and I'm not a woe me guy either. After I
got my parents a diagnosis, I'm playing that. I'm playing
the cards that I've been dealt. And you know, there
are a lot more people out there the deserving of
prayer and sympathy than Brian Thomas. So I appreciate your optimism,
but best to health to you and good luck with
the fight, my friend. I know you can beat it.
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He vetoed a lot of the property tax reforms that
were in the bill as well, and we are in
desperate need a property tax reform, most notably seniors on
fixed incomes. They're getting tax right out of their houses.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Senator, you know it's it's not just seniors on fixed income.
It is many, many people that the property taxes have
been devastating to. And the original intent of the property
tax Mike, when it was original had passed right, you
had to vote on it, and keep in mind of
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all property tax level levies stayed local. None of it
goes back to the state, but you had to vote
on it, and your property taxes, the amount you personally
paid would never go up unless you voted for another increase,
and there was a chance that would go down is
development and more homes were sold. But it was originally
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said that it would never go up. Well, as we know,
we have bastardized that over the years and we have
a system now where when valuations are your property go up,
your property taxes go up commensurate with it. That was
never the intention of the when we originally allowed property taxes.
So we do need some reform so that every time
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a school district, every time a municipality, a fire district,
a library, once more money, let them go to the people,
make their case and let them convince the voters why
they need more money. And you know, I do trust
these bolt and then the good people at the since
I public schools. But you know we can't just give
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them these bonuses every three years that gotuations increase with
it has to stop.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, I mean, it should be a limit. You know,
you're voting for X amount and that's all you are
going to get. If your property tire, your valuation of
your property goes up, you know, a thousand percent or something.
The amount of money taken shouldn't go up in a
commensurate amount. It's capped at whatever was voted on in
terms of overall dollars, right, is that how we're supposed
to have it here.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That's how we were supposed to have it here, and
that's how we put it into the budget. Now that
there were some that actually wanted to punish school districts
and make it retroactive, I was not amongst those, you know,
I don't think that it was the right thing to
do to cost make sure the school district's a loss
of money as a result of this, but just to
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make sure they didn't get a windfall as a result
of this.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, And I understand where you're coming from, because they
acted in reliance on what they expected to come in
and they planned accordingly, So to tell them it's taken
away would put a lot of districts in a rather
precarious position. So I understand where you're coming from on
that one.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And the other thing on education, he vetoed the educational
savings account would allow some non chartered Christian schools for
lack of a better term, participate in the voucher program.
I was very disappointed in that as well.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, and that's one that I find rather inexplicable as well.
I mean, I thought he was a school choice kind
of leaning guy.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, you know, and there is a great Montssory School
up in Liberty Township that does a wonderful job educating kids,
not indoctrinating them, but truly teaching them how to think,
and they're not able to participate in it. With this budget,
they would be allowed to participate in the program, and
the Governor's vetoed that is one of the ones that
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I hope my colleagues take up as a priority for
an overriding.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, and I suppose in terms of what my listening
audience can do being get in touch with the representatives
and tester them about bringing these to the floor for
a vote, so you'll have an opportunity to vote on
its Senator.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That is correct, yep. And it's got to start in
the House of Representatives. Call all your local house members
and encourage in to take up the charge for the
v tail overriding.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
All right, Especially, I would argue that RAINS Act, the
Education Savings accounts, any property tax reforms. We desperately need
that out here in the real world. Well, I'll look
forward to I guess this will be a piecemeal kind
of thing. You can pick off one at a time
and over the period of time that you have, which
is basically about what eighteen months or a year and
a half or so.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah, that is correct. You know, keep in mind
we need sixty percent of the vote in order to
do an override. So I think there would be a
mistake for us to try to do too many at
one understood, because you know, there are certain things that
some of my colleagues, if they were left alone, would
be a no vote on, and you know, the budget overall,
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usually you can get people to vote for things that
they don't like in the budget. I have never voted
for a budget that I liked everything that was in it.
But as long as we continue in lowering taxes, lowering regulations,
bringing businesses back, making Ohio more prosperous, I'm going to
vote yes on it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Senator George Lang, it has been a pleasure talking with you.
We show all the best in the world with your
cancer fight. I know you're going to beat it. Sound
really optimistic about that, and that's where it really starts,
my friend. I look forward to having you back on
the program to talk about well future legislations, the repeals,
the votes, and anything else going on to the state.
About how you know you have a welcome spot here
in the morning. Should have passed long information to the listeners.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Thanks Brian, and you have a great day, my friend.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Thanks and a happy Independence Day to you.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
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