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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Fifty five KRC the talk station, Dan Carol and for
Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas taking the week off. I get
to be here today and Tomorrow and Wednesday, and then
Gary Jeff will close out the week on Thursday and Friday.
And of course Joe Strecker is running the big board
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as he always does in the fifty five KRC Command Center,
who went all the work behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And this show wouldn't be around without.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Joe s Kirker, so we always appreciate him. And when
Monday morning comes around on fifty five KRC, right around
this time in the morning, it's always a great time
to Actually, I think we're a little bit ahead of
time because Chris Smitheman has requested an hour this morning
for the smither Vent, So I guess he's got a
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lot to get off of his chest this morning. And
Chris Smitherman, it's great to talk to you again. How
you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Hey? Dan, look, and we talked sometimes during the week.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Sometimes we do.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That is a fact, that's a fact. I mean, I
think we all have a lot to get off our
chest after a weekend, like we just like we just
came out of the bullets this weekend, the bullets were
flying and.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Called you called this uh.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I think the last time we talked was probably about
three or four weeks ago, and you told me that
this was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's like the weather warms up. It's the perfect storm.
You know. City council doesn't have a real plan to
respond and it just bot five shootings, you know, you know,
and we we these are talking about shootings around Edy
Park as an example. You know, it's like almost like
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the mayor, the city, even even people in our neighborhoods
are just numb to it. Like it's it is very
unusual to say, hey man, somebody somebody got shot. You know,
four people got shot in Avondale, you know, and it
just happened. You know, It's like, this isn't normal to
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wake up and see this level of violence over one weekend.
And then when you add Dan Carroll to what we
saw in Columbus around Bexley, the team takeover that happened
at that festival, and you add the twelve shot in
Toledo at that other event, right, so you're seeing a trend.
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We live in Cincinnati, you see what's happening in Toledo.
You see what's happening in Columbus. What makes you think
is not going to happen here? Like we are moving
in the direction. It's so unfortunate for me to say this,
Like I feel like we're returning into that baby Detroit,
you know where violence is just you know around us,
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and and the mayor and the and the council and
the city manager are just sitting around watching the bloodshed
while they paint a mural on the front of city
Hall that says black lives matter. Now, those two things
are very disconnected. If you say I can get shot
and be a black mail and die in the street,
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I'm not in I'm not in Iran. I'm right in
the in the heart of Avondale, or I'm in walnot Hills.
I can get shot like in a war and bleed
out in the street right on Gilbert, right on Reading Road.
But you have a mural in front of city hall
that says black lives matter. I'm suggesting to our neighborhood, neighborhoods,
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our fifty two neighborhoods, that city hall does not care
about black lives matter. If you did, you'd say, man,
our first line of defense. Are police not a library card?
Like the juvenile court judge suggested this week, let's get
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library cards for all of the babies. Maybe he hasn't
looked at the library, but the police are having a
lot of runs there, and people are very concerned about
being safe inside the library and outside of the library.
I just don't get these silly responses that they think
take the point of having good policing. Our first line
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of defense is law enforcement, and Cincinnati has surrendered our
city to criminals. The criminals are protected, but we, the
law abiding citizens, have to walk around unarmed because they
tell us, in this democratic city, guns are bad. Don't
have a gun. The guns are the things that are
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killing everybody. And those people out here say, man, I've
got to carry a firearm because I might just be
walking to my car. Somebody might decide to jump me.
Somebody might just decide to try to steal my car
and carjack me. I'm just saying, Dan Carroll, when the
mayor says today, as he says all weekend, everything is
a o K, I'm suggesting to you that it is
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not Dan Carroll.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Well, Chris Minnerman, you bring up so many points and
so many points I want to explore, and one is
the library. And I give credit to Local twelve that
put a piece up a well. They actually did this
back in May, and they talked about the incidents of
violence at Cincinnati's main library downtown so frequent that police
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report they are averaging a call for service more than
once a day. And this is just the main branch downtown.
And so you couple this with a juvenile court judge
Carrie Bloom who says, you know, we want to I guess,
I guess straighten out juvenile delinquents or juveniles who commit
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crime by making them do what get library cards. So
we've already got so many people who are employees who
talk to Local twelve didn't want to give their names
because what because they're afraid of what Chris Smith.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
They're afraid of retribution.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They're afraid that this is going to come back and
haunt them if if people know that they're being called out.
And so we have a judge who is going to
look at criminals and instead of give them a harsh
sentence or have them learn a lesson about what they did.
Now here, go get your library card, go and get
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a book, and give me.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
A book report.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I mean, these things don't happen in a vacuum. And
now you know we've got that, and so we've got
reports of the violence is up at the libraries. It
seems to me we might be able to connect some
dots there.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Now, Dan Carroll, before we take our break, I just
want to let your listening audience know you're not exaggerating
like I wish you were, like just making a joke
like stand up comedy. Literally, the juvenile court Jude said
her response to the crime is when they come to
her court, she's going to require that they get a
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library card. I mean, that's what she's said.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I've got to here's the quote right here. Wants it
to be a summer of discovery. The goal is to
get kids connected with positive people and institutions in the community. Now,
make no mistake, there are a lot of positive things
that are associated with the library, very positive for the community,
positive people there. But instead, do you think these a
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lot of these individuals that can make crime on a
regular basis are interested in positivity or connecting with positive
people in a in a productive way.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Absolutely not. And what her number one job should be
as a juvenile court judge is to hold those youth
accountable for their behavior. That's exactly what she should be doing.
She shouldn't be talking about library cards. She should be
talking about holding people accountable. And if we don't get
a judicial system. For example, you and I have not
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discussed the person who took there who took their girlfriend
on a joy ride with a gun right held her hostage,
I believe, will be arranged this morning, on Monday morning,
and the question is will the judge hold that person accountable?
Obviously the poor woman who was stabbed and killed in Norwood,
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that judge did not hold that person accountable. There's another
bite at the apple because we had somebody in Cincinnati
do something crazy like that this weekend and will be
arranged today. What will the judge do? Will the judge
just say, hey, I'll give you a library card, let
you out, see you tomorrow, or put you on one
of those ankle bracelets and say we're going to monitor
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you and poor Sarah Hannick or nos that no one's
going to be really monitored. So what's going to happen
today for the person the young man or the man
who had his girlfriend hijacked her by gunpoint and went
on a chase with our cops. Doesn't make any sense
to me.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, Chris, the thing is is that it's fine to
sit around in the halls of academia and discuss all
these restorative justice issues and all these other sorts of
lofty ideas. But the bottom line is that people pay
with their lives when these sorts of jams are put
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into practice. And those are the real life consequences of
these sorts of things, and where do people go to
get that back? It just doesn't happen. Chris Smitherman, stay
right there. We'll get to a quick break and continue
on with the smither event on fifty five K see
the talk station Great KINGCOK station seven nineteen on this
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Monday morning, Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas, and once again
we are engaged with Chris Smithman for the smither vent
during a whole hour today. Chris, So, yeah, I mean,
I know you've always got to be in your bonnet,
but we were talking about this dude, Adam Williams facing
nineteen charges, going to be in court at nine o'clock
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on this morning. We'll find out, you know how hard
the judge is gonna come down on him. Police say,
you know, this guy had all kinds of drugs on him,
had drugs in his mouth. I guess, had repeatedly threatened
to harm his girlfriend. And I know whatever the justice
system did in the case of this guy certainly didn't work.
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Didn't work for her. And then we have, of course
the specter of the young woman who was stabbed to
death in just a horrible crime at the Norwood Skyline,
Chile restaurant. Thank god for some people who were there
witnessed the crime. They ran and chased this guy down.
But the owner of the restaurant is absolutely incensed that
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you know, this guy was taken. He's got a million
dollar bond on him right now. To my way of
thinking that that million dollar bond is way too low
as well.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, we're talking five million. You know, there should be
a clear message today, you know, I know, the guy
that stabbed the woman to death and Nora would with
two children, got a million dollars. This one should be
five million this morning. You've got to send a message
that when you are threatening in these domestic situations your
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spouse or your girlfriend, that we take you serious, we
take you at your word, and it would be completely
unacceptable to let this person out of jail, completely unacceptable.
That woman has to be terrified this morning having gone
on that ride on that highway being chased by the
cops right now. Imagine how she feels in thirty days
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or one week or two weeks if he's out on
the street again with the monitor. So I hope the judge,
I hoope Hamilton County is listening. We are tired of
these soft judges, soft on crime. We need to be
very serious and diligent here and start putting some real
time on these bad decisions that people are making in
our city. What frustrates me as I think about city
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Hall is that I think that the city manager, the
current fire chief, you keep hearing all kinds of rumbling
rumblings around the current police chief that things aren't as
rosy as we think they are. And so my concern
is that we're going to be right back here in
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a week or two or a month with the city
manager discharging one or both of our police and fire chiefs.
This is a really serious issue, and it's not happening
with the police and fire Dan Carroll. It is happening
with the chief operating officer, the CEO, the city manager.
There's something going on in that office where whether who
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you hire isn't going right, meaning you're hiring somebody and
it's not turning out right, or you're you're quick on
the trigger and you are firing people where you don't
have calls, and it's causing so much disruption in a department,
in two departments that we need so much. Meaning the
beginning of our show, you know, I was talking about
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the chaos of the weekend, of the blood baff that
we had and the Black Lives Matter mural that's right
there at the front of city Hall that most likely
they'll spend another two hundred and fifty to five hundred
thousand dollars while facing a thirty million dollar deficit to
repaint it, but they won't hire cops or encourage officers
to go after cold cases. If you talk to moms
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out there, they want to know who killed my kids.
You know, if you talk to Hope Dudley, she wants
to know who killed our kids. And so we need
more detectives going out for cold cases. We need more officers,
two hundred of them on our streets in order to
protect the law abiding citizens that live and go to
work every day, Dan Carroll, this is what frustrates me
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right now about City Hall. I can't get off it
because black males are being murdered in our streets every
single day. I got so infuriated that I reached out
to our governor over the weekend and I said, Governor
Mike Dryand we need your help. We cannot allow these
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blood baths to happen. We can't wait for it to
end up in Bexley. We can't wait for it to
hit Indian Hill, we can't wait for it to get
Hyde Park before we then say there's a problem. There's
a problem right now. I'm tired of all of the
window dressing of Oh, Kumbai, y'ah, we've got the Black
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Family Reunion. Everybody's gonna be wonderful. Let's put the mural
out in front of city all and then we don't
get down to the brass tack of making sure that
when somebody has a gun they take the life of
a black youth, buy a black youth, that we're gonna
put you in the jail for the rest of your life,
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and we're not gonna play around with you when you
have a gun. That message is not clear, Dan Carroll.
In the streets of Cincinnati, it is just the opposite.
It is soft on crime. If you have a gun,
you'll be out by Monday on no ar bond. Don't
worry about it. If they do bring you in, you'll
just get a month or two, maybe six months, back
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out with your family, back doing what you were doing before,
selling drugs and on the street. I'm tired of it
as a black American that lives in Cincinnati, but watching
this violence all across our country and you have these
democratic cities that continue to do the same thing. Let's
open up the pools, Let's have midnight basketball, all that
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kind of stuff. Let's give library cards out. We're at
the front line of it is. They're really pushing defund
the police, reimagine the police while black people are being
slaughtered in our streets, and it looks worse than what
we see happening in places like the Iraq War.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, Chrissy, and I'm glad you you. I'm always glad
when you bring up the points that you bring up.
And during your last statement there, you reminded me of
a conversation that I had with an individual, and it
has to do with perception versus reality, and so I
want to ask you about that. So we'll do that
when we come back from the break. Chris Smithman joins
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us for the Smith Event and we'll continue on right
after this on fifty five KRC, the talk station.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
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Speaker 1 (16:52):
Fifty five KRC DE talk station seven point thirty on
this Monday morning, as we continue to the Smith event
with Chris Smithman and Chris, I was having a conversation
with a friend of mine a few days ago, and
of course the issue of crime came. Look I talk
about this a lot with you, Corey Bowman, Judge Hartman,
others when it comes to the idea of crime in Cincinnati.
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And the conversation was about perception versus reality. And he says, look,
I go I'm downtown on a regular basis. He says,
I feel safe down there, you know. He says, you know,
I witnessed some minor things every once in a while,
but the idea that you're going to go downtown, that
you're going to get shot is probably very unlikely that
anything like that is going to happen. And I think
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two things can be true at the same time, so,
and I think in look, this is a person who
like you and me, we want Cincinnati to be a
great city. We want robust economic activity happening down there.
We want people to be safe when they come into
the city, and not just downtown but any part of
the city. We want people to have a good, clean, healthy,
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safe experience when they come into the city of Cincinnati.
So when you have people, and I'm sure you hear
people make these arguments to you on a regular basis,
just like they do to me, that we might be
overdoing this a little bit when we talk about these issues,
and maybe it doesn't match up to the experiences that
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so many people have when they do come into the city.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
What do you say. I'm not a gambling I'm not
a gambling man, but I don't want to play Russian
Roulette with my life. I don't know about you, so
it doesn't matter to me what the odds are. If
it happens to me, or happens to my daughter, or
happens to one of my boys, it's absolutely devastating to
my family and something that most families can't recover from.
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So why not just avoid it? Right? There are three
ways to deal with risk. Right, you can retain that risk,
you can ensure that risk, or you can avoid the risk.
I choose avoid right. So until I have a mayor
and a city council that acknowledges that we have a
problem because they're waking up on Monday morning saying it's
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your person, everything is cool, and I'm going it's not.
If you live in Avondale right now, it's not if
you live in near Eton Park, it's not It's not
okay to wake up and four people being shot. This
is not normal. And so the problem is you don't
have a mayor that gets behind a podium it's not
a ribbon cutting and says these words, I support my cops.
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I've now empowered my cops to do proactive policing and
I have their back. Until we have a mayor that's
willing to do that right at the front line, we're
going to continue to have this problem. This is not
about library cards, it's not about opening swimming pools. It's
not about making sure we have midnight basketball. All that
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stuff is great, but without the real penicillin, which is
a very robust police department that is empowered to do
proactive policing, we will continue to have the problems that
we're having. And I'm suggest to everyone listening to me
that people at city Hall, through their public policy, they
do not care about black lives. I am a Black American.
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I've raised for black men. I understand what it takes
to run a household and make sure that your kids
come up a responsible person, and most Black Americans in
the United States of America are law abiding citizens. We
are all sick and tired of all of this violence
that goes unanswered on Monday morning, with the same crap
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that comes from these mayors that say everything is okay.
It's not your children that are dying out here. I
know it's okay because you're going to go home to
your little comfy condo on the hill, paying up with
a million dollar mortgage, and everything is going to be cool.
It's not cool for that single mom that's in Avondale
every day getting up, going to work on an hourly
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wage on a bus where somebody was shot on a
metro bus this summer, and go everything is okay. I
am angry at this leadership in the city that continues
to just turn their backs on the people that vote
for them. And I say that to Black Americans. Stop
voting for these Democrats. Leave these Democrats alone. They don't
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care about your life. They don't care about public policy
that will really support your family. They're running around talking
about all kind of crazy stuff, and in the end,
they'll put a guy up for Senate tomorrow in a
primary who's wearing a Nazi symbol on his chest and
tell you that it's okay. What black American wakes up
and says, this is a guy that says he hates women,
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he's got a Nazi sign on his chest, and the
Democratic leadership at the federal level of saying we are
moving forward, we're endorsing this guy and everything is okay.
That's what's wrong, Dan Carroll. Black America needs to wake
up and say, we are separating ourselves from a party.
We're going to focus on public policy, and if you
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don't deliver the public policy, the basic thing of safety
to my neighborhood, I'm not going to vote for you.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Couldn't say it better myself. Chris Smithman, We'll get to
one more break. Stay right there as we continue on
with the smith event on fifty five krc.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
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Speaker 1 (22:19):
Five krc DE talk station. We continue on with Chris
Smitherman and the Smith Events and Chris one more question
about crime and then we'll move on to something else.
But we have the specter now of Sarah Herringer. She
issuing the city a wrongful death lawsuit against the City
of Cincinnati when her husband was killed. Her husband, Patrick
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was killed by Mordecai Black, convicted felon, cut off his
ankle monitor, broke into their home stabbed him to death
as a turney. Her attorney, Todd McMurtry was on with
Bill Cunningham last week and laying out the case about
how the way Cincinnati police are able to do and
talked about it proactive policing that that has gone by
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the wayside and either directly or indirectly led to this crime.
Then we have a piece that was posted in the
Cincinnati Exchange. Adam Taylor has really a good analytical piece
and they're talking about is crime down in Cincinnati or
have we simply stopped reporting crime? And he makes the
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case that perception again perception versus reality here. So I
think more and more people are getting onto this idea
that the way we have changed policing. And look, no
one is pointing a finger at the cops on the street.
They are doing what they have been directed to do
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by their leadership, and of course they're following the orders
that come from city Hall.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Well, you really packed it in. My heart goes out
to Sarah and Patrick Pinninger, who you know, his life
was taken and it shouldn't have happened. I think that's
the bottom line, and I support her litigation. If I
were in her position, I would see Also, let me
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also just remind everybody that Patrick was a military vet.
He's somebody who served several tours in the military, putting
his life on the line, and died in OTR running
a small business of fitness with his beautiful wife. And
so it was absolutely a tragedy of a number of
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things where you have a monitor Dan Carroll on somebody's
leg that's been cut off for weeks, maybe even months,
and there's no reporting of that. And so yes, we're
not blaming our law enforcement officers who are told every
day to not go out and do proactive policing, and
when they do it, you have people like missus Irish
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Rollie who might just walk up and interveed in that
proact the policing telling that person what their rights are,
intervening inappropriately as our officers are doing their job. And
so that sends a very clear message out to the
public that you don't have to listen to police officers.
High Hey, we have a person we're paying six hundred
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and fifty thousand dollars a consultant who's telling us we
don't have to listen to cops. I can intervene and
start shooting off on what their rights are in a
basic traffic stop or a walk up in downtown. Let
me say this to you, Dan Carroll, we should all
investigate shots spotterer in our city. This is technology. It's
very much not reported, but somebody should do a public
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information request and say shots fire, meaning you and I
are talking about people who were shot, but we don't
have the full picture of the weekend of how many
shots were actually fired. And I'm sharing with you it's
like a war zone out here in some of our
neighborhood and that we should for city Hall, the city manager,
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and the mayor and all members of council. I served
as Chair of Law and Public Safety to actively report
to us at the end of every weekend shots fired.
So we have an understanding about what my perception and
my reality is meaning of you and I find out
that there were five people shot, but there were one
hundred bullets that were shot, right, that is a different
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picture of what people are actually living through on a
daily basis, diving down on their apartment floor because they
hear bam bam, bam, bam bam. Nobody was shot, but
five people, five bullets go off. And so I'm just
saying to you the underreporting that you identify is so true.
But Shotspotder would unveil that to you, Dan Carroll and
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all of the radio hosts around our region about what's
really really happening in our downtown and in our fifty
two neighborhoods. I want to again stress to people that
are listening because they'll come back and say, well, Smith
Aman doesn't have any solutions. Let me give you some
brother right here so people can hear. Do Number One,
we need to have a plan. We don't have one.
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Number Two, we need to organize all law enforcement in
the region, bring them all in a room, which they
will not do, including the FBI, including ATF including the
prosecutor's office, including the head of the Hamilton County judicial system.
Bring them all in a room. Put the bad guys
on the table. Say here are the ten or fifteen
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people who are creating most of the habit. Go after them,
arrest them, give them big cases, put them under the dog,
on jail for a long time. Number two, you have
workers that are out here doing work in the middle
of the morning. Switch those shifts so in these hot
spots your lighting it up. So you're fixing our roads, which,
by the way, we should never sold our railroad. We
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don't know what's happening with potholes, but assuming that city
Hall has an interest in fixing our street, let's do
it at night where their problems. Bring our men and
women there who have jobs and have them do some
of this work at night in these hot spots. Light
them up, because guess what, crime and people who are
doing crime do not like activity. They do not like light.
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That doesn't that helps us. Number four, Meet with your judges,
line them up and tell them we want real, serious
consequences for people who have guns who are shooting and
killing people in our city. Number five, we need to
talk to our governor Governor Mike Dryn. We accept all
of your resources, your helicopter, you're detectives right. We support
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our State Highway patrolman coming into the City of Cincinnati
and policing some of the areas that our police are
currently doing so they can be dispatched into other areas.
Number six, have recruit classes, hire cops, stop downing them,
increase them morale, and go to every single roll call
you possibly can. When have you seen this? Mayor ever
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go to a roll call? Ever, do a drive go
into and do a ride along with our with our
with our Cincinnati police officers. The message is Dan Carroll
at the end is we have a city hall that
is not active with law enforcement, and they keep sending
the message that they just don't care.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
All right, Chris smithment one segment to go, stay right
there and we will wrap things up with the Smith event.
It's been an unbelievably fast hour so far on fifty
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Day happening Saturday.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
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Speaker 1 (29:25):
Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas as we continue on with
the Smith events and Chris Smithman at City Hall Today,
Council Committee is going to hear the budget priorities of
the council members. I think this will be interesting as
city Council faces a thirty million dollar deficit and we're
going to hear what the priorities are of the individual
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council members. I can hear you chuckling in the background
because how much CD read meat. What kind of priorities
do you expect to be revealed today?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Brother? We'll be talking about it next Monday. You know,
it's a lot of pork and it's going to be
a lot of disconnected from reality of what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Are they going to give the for the music for
the Cincinnati Symphony Music Center, the Farmer Center there and
down there in.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yes, Yes, that's done. They are they are, yes, yeah, yeah,
I mean I mean I'm just look, you could you'll
continue to highlight Dan Carroll the disconnectedness and what what
Dan Carroll is saying is here is today we get
to hear the priorities of the nine members of council,
your board of directors. So they're all introducing their motions
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to the budget Chair, and the budget chair takes those
motions and says, hey, where do I have five votes
on these priorities and each member of council is trying
to line up five members of council to support whatever
they whatever their desire is, whatever that project they want
to see go forward. We should take each of those
motions and and and put them like we should read them.
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In a week all each office will will will deliver
their emotions and you get a chance to see where
their heads are, what they think are the priorities for
the city on. You know, as a member of the
Board of Directors, I guarantee you there's a disconnect between
what we've been discussing this morning. Right, the most important
thing is life, meaning our lives and safety. You won't
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see many motions, if any, coming from the non members
of council and that's what made me.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Child So yeah, well go ahead. What were you going
to say?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Well, well, I want to say to to your listening
audience is that you know our petition is not just
a petition that came from nowhere, Dan Carroll. It comes
from a place of watching the city manager constantly, one person,
one voice, having the power to fire and hire without
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the Board of Trustees, the non members of council having
any accountability or any say in it. And I just
believe that they could have gone on into executive session
and ask the city manager, why are you here to
fire Chief Washington? And she would not have been able
to articulate that to the nine members of council. So
she wouldn't have been able to get seven people, seven
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members of the elected, the people that go before you
and are voted on, to say yes, let's move forward,
and we wouldn't be facing some ten million dollar settlement,
our thirty million dollar settlement with our fire chief. And
so this is why this petition is so important. The
Democratic Party is lining up against it right They're saying,
this is chaos, it's political, it's going to create more chaos.
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I don't see how we can have more chaos. I
just believe that having one person, meaning, by the way,
I want to say, you can't fire the city manager
without seven members of council. What's so interesting is I'm
actually saying, the same way we deal with the city manager,
we deal with the police, and we deal with the
fire chief. If they all have the same level of protection,
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you cannot terminate the three of them without seven members
of council. But you have members of council to say, oh,
this is just so Chaoti. We don't know where this
came from. It came from a place of the taxpayers,
Dan Carroll, when you mentioned the thirty million dollar deficits,
we're the ones ultimately that will pay this settlement. It's
not the money is not coming from someplace out on
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the moon, Dan Carroll. The people that live in the
City of Cincinnati. While the mayor says he wants to
increase our income tact, we are the ones that will
ultimately pay for these settlements. That is why it is
our business, and it is why the seven members of council.
People can go to Dave Auto Over on the west
side of town. They can sign the petition there when
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they're open and they're hours. They can go to Jim
and Jacks they can sign it there. We need citizens
to engage in this process so that when we approach them,
they say, yes, I heard this, I heard it. You
and Dan Carroll were talking about it. I'm definitely going
to sign this petition if I live in the City
of Cincinnati in order to put this on the ballot
for NOVA so we can say forever and forever we
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say the city manager only has the power to recommend termination,
but the seven members of council are all nine have
been collectively have the final say.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Chris, let me ask you this real quick, and we've
just got about a minute left here. Do you expect
people to be surprised when the Mike Washington case, the
fire chief case is wrapped up, and the case with
CG is wrapped up? Eventually, the information that's contained within
each of those various court cases, I think a lot
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of stuff is going to come to light that a
lot of people probably don't understand or realize about the
inner workings of city Hall and the city manager's office
and the rest of that. Do you expect people to
be surprised by some of that information that will eventually
be revealed?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I do. I think people live very busy lives. They're
not doubt into this very important subject matter, and I
think they're going to be shocked by the size of
the settlements on both cases. Yes, I think you know
when you sit back and you think there are people
out there who still think that Chief Washington now even
under deposition, when the city manager was asked, do you
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have any information about sexual misconduct from Chief Washington, the
answer was no. Under deposition when she was asked this
simple question, how many female firefighters do you know? None?
How many how many firefighters who are female that are
are that are on currently the fire department? I don't know.
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I'm saying these were questions that were asked under deposition.
When the public gets a hold of that deposition and
they read that and then they understand why we have
the petition, right, they'll be running to sign it because
we just can't have one person making the call that
cost us tens of millions of dollars. We're going to
have to issue what are called bonds out here in
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the open market, meaning we're not going to we don't
have ten or fifteen or five or twenty million dollars.
We're going to have to literally go out into the
bond market and issue debt in order to pay for
this for this litigation. And we'll be paying for that
litigation with interest of probably seven percent or eight percent
for the next thirty or forty years.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
All right, Chris Smithman, we got to run.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Thank you so much. Thank you, Dan Carroll, give me.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
The social media, give me at vote smithmant at vote.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Smitherman, you can follow me. See you next week. Dan Carroll,
thanks you for covering for Brian Thomas and my love
to him as he is. You know is recovering this week.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Chris, you're the best. On fifty five KRCV talk station
Speaker 3 (36:35):
At the top of the hour, here's
Fifty five KRC the talk station, Dan Carol and for
Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas taking the week off. I get
to be here today and Tomorrow and Wednesday, and then
Gary Jeff will close out the week on Thursday and Friday.
And of course Joe Strecker is running the big board
(00:33):
as he always does in the fifty five KRC Command Center,
who went all the work behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And this show wouldn't be around without.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Joe s Kirker, so we always appreciate him. And when
Monday morning comes around on fifty five KRC, right around
this time in the morning, it's always a great time
to Actually, I think we're a little bit ahead of
time because Chris Smitheman has requested an hour this morning
for the smither Vent, So I guess he's got a
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lot to get off of his chest this morning. And
Chris Smitherman, it's great to talk to you again. How
you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Hey? Dan, look, and we talked sometimes during the week.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Sometimes we do.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
That is a fact, that's a fact. I mean, I
think we all have a lot to get off our
chest after a weekend, like we just like we just
came out of the bullets this weekend, the bullets were
flying and.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Called you called this uh.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I think the last time we talked was probably about
three or four weeks ago, and you told me that
this was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
It's like the weather warms up. It's the perfect storm.
You know. City council doesn't have a real plan to
respond and it just bot five shootings, you know, you know,
and we we these are talking about shootings around Edy
Park as an example. You know, it's like almost like
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the mayor, the city, even even people in our neighborhoods
are just numb to it. Like it's it is very
unusual to say, hey man, somebody somebody got shot. You know,
four people got shot in Avondale, you know, and it
just happened. You know, It's like, this isn't normal to
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wake up and see this level of violence over one weekend.
And then when you add Dan Carroll to what we
saw in Columbus around Bexley, the team takeover that happened
at that festival, and you add the twelve shot in
Toledo at that other event, right, so you're seeing a trend.
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We live in Cincinnati, you see what's happening in Toledo.
You see what's happening in Columbus. What makes you think
is not going to happen here? Like we are moving
in the direction. It's so unfortunate for me to say this,
Like I feel like we're returning into that baby Detroit,
you know where violence is just you know around us,
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and and the mayor and the and the council and
the city manager are just sitting around watching the bloodshed
while they paint a mural on the front of city
Hall that says black lives matter. Now, those two things
are very disconnected. If you say I can get shot
and be a black mail and die in the street,
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I'm not in I'm not in Iran. I'm right in
the in the heart of Avondale, or I'm in walnot Hills.
I can get shot like in a war and bleed
out in the street right on Gilbert, right on Reading Road.
But you have a mural in front of city hall
that says black lives matter. I'm suggesting to our neighborhood, neighborhoods,
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our fifty two neighborhoods, that city hall does not care
about black lives matter. If you did, you'd say, man,
our first line of defense. Are police not a library card?
Like the juvenile court judge suggested this week, let's get
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library cards for all of the babies. Maybe he hasn't
looked at the library, but the police are having a
lot of runs there, and people are very concerned about
being safe inside the library and outside of the library.
I just don't get these silly responses that they think
take the point of having good policing. Our first line
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of defense is law enforcement, and Cincinnati has surrendered our
city to criminals. The criminals are protected, but we, the
law abiding citizens, have to walk around unarmed because they
tell us, in this democratic city, guns are bad. Don't
have a gun. The guns are the things that are
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killing everybody. And those people out here say, man, I've
got to carry a firearm because I might just be
walking to my car. Somebody might decide to jump me.
Somebody might just decide to try to steal my car
and carjack me. I'm just saying, Dan Carroll, when the
mayor says today, as he says all weekend, everything is
a o K, I'm suggesting to you that it is
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not Dan Carroll.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Well, Chris Minnerman, you bring up so many points and
so many points I want to explore, and one is
the library. And I give credit to Local twelve that
put a piece up a well. They actually did this
back in May, and they talked about the incidents of
violence at Cincinnati's main library downtown so frequent that police
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report they are averaging a call for service more than
once a day. And this is just the main branch downtown.
And so you couple this with a juvenile court judge
Carrie Bloom who says, you know, we want to I guess,
I guess straighten out juvenile delinquents or juveniles who commit
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crime by making them do what get library cards. So
we've already got so many people who are employees who
talk to Local twelve didn't want to give their names
because what because they're afraid of what Chris Smith.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
They're afraid of retribution.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They're afraid that this is going to come back and
haunt them if if people know that they're being called out.
And so we have a judge who is going to
look at criminals and instead of give them a harsh
sentence or have them learn a lesson about what they did.
Now here, go get your library card, go and get
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a book, and give me.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
A book report.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I mean, these things don't happen in a vacuum. And
now you know we've got that, and so we've got
reports of the violence is up at the libraries. It
seems to me we might be able to connect some
dots there.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Now, Dan Carroll, before we take our break, I just
want to let your listening audience know you're not exaggerating
like I wish you were, like just making a joke
like stand up comedy. Literally, the juvenile court Jude said
her response to the crime is when they come to
her court, she's going to require that they get a
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library card. I mean, that's what she's said.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I've got to here's the quote right here. Wants it
to be a summer of discovery. The goal is to
get kids connected with positive people and institutions in the community. Now,
make no mistake, there are a lot of positive things
that are associated with the library, very positive for the community,
positive people there. But instead, do you think these a
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lot of these individuals that can make crime on a
regular basis are interested in positivity or connecting with positive
people in a in a productive way.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Absolutely not. And what her number one job should be
as a juvenile court judge is to hold those youth
accountable for their behavior. That's exactly what she should be doing.
She shouldn't be talking about library cards. She should be
talking about holding people accountable. And if we don't get
a judicial system. For example, you and I have not
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discussed the person who took there who took their girlfriend
on a joy ride with a gun right held her hostage,
I believe, will be arranged this morning, on Monday morning,
and the question is will the judge hold that person accountable?
Obviously the poor woman who was stabbed and killed in Norwood,
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that judge did not hold that person accountable. There's another
bite at the apple because we had somebody in Cincinnati
do something crazy like that this weekend and will be
arranged today. What will the judge do? Will the judge
just say, hey, I'll give you a library card, let
you out, see you tomorrow, or put you on one
of those ankle bracelets and say we're going to monitor
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you and poor Sarah Hannick or nos that no one's
going to be really monitored. So what's going to happen
today for the person the young man or the man
who had his girlfriend hijacked her by gunpoint and went
on a chase with our cops. Doesn't make any sense
to me.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well, Chris, the thing is is that it's fine to
sit around in the halls of academia and discuss all
these restorative justice issues and all these other sorts of
lofty ideas. But the bottom line is that people pay
with their lives when these sorts of jams are put
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into practice. And those are the real life consequences of
these sorts of things, and where do people go to
get that back? It just doesn't happen. Chris Smitherman, stay
right there. We'll get to a quick break and continue
on with the smither event on fifty five K see
the talk station Great KINGCOK station seven nineteen on this
(10:05):
Monday morning, Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas, and once again
we are engaged with Chris Smithman for the smither vent
during a whole hour today. Chris, So, yeah, I mean,
I know you've always got to be in your bonnet,
but we were talking about this dude, Adam Williams facing
nineteen charges, going to be in court at nine o'clock
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on this morning. We'll find out, you know how hard
the judge is gonna come down on him. Police say,
you know, this guy had all kinds of drugs on him,
had drugs in his mouth. I guess, had repeatedly threatened
to harm his girlfriend. And I know whatever the justice
system did in the case of this guy certainly didn't work.
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Didn't work for her. And then we have, of course
the specter of the young woman who was stabbed to
death in just a horrible crime at the Norwood Skyline,
Chile restaurant. Thank god for some people who were there
witnessed the crime. They ran and chased this guy down.
But the owner of the restaurant is absolutely incensed that
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you know, this guy was taken. He's got a million
dollar bond on him right now. To my way of
thinking that that million dollar bond is way too low
as well.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, we're talking five million. You know, there should be
a clear message today, you know, I know, the guy
that stabbed the woman to death and Nora would with
two children, got a million dollars. This one should be
five million this morning. You've got to send a message
that when you are threatening in these domestic situations your
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spouse or your girlfriend, that we take you serious, we
take you at your word, and it would be completely
unacceptable to let this person out of jail, completely unacceptable.
That woman has to be terrified this morning having gone
on that ride on that highway being chased by the
cops right now. Imagine how she feels in thirty days
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or one week or two weeks if he's out on
the street again with the monitor. So I hope the judge,
I hoope Hamilton County is listening. We are tired of
these soft judges, soft on crime. We need to be
very serious and diligent here and start putting some real
time on these bad decisions that people are making in
our city. What frustrates me as I think about city
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Hall is that I think that the city manager, the
current fire chief, you keep hearing all kinds of rumbling
rumblings around the current police chief that things aren't as
rosy as we think they are. And so my concern
is that we're going to be right back here in
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a week or two or a month with the city
manager discharging one or both of our police and fire chiefs.
This is a really serious issue, and it's not happening
with the police and fire Dan Carroll. It is happening
with the chief operating officer, the CEO, the city manager.
There's something going on in that office where whether who
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you hire isn't going right, meaning you're hiring somebody and
it's not turning out right, or you're you're quick on
the trigger and you are firing people where you don't
have calls, and it's causing so much disruption in a department,
in two departments that we need so much. Meaning the
beginning of our show, you know, I was talking about
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the chaos of the weekend, of the blood baff that
we had and the Black Lives Matter mural that's right
there at the front of city Hall that most likely
they'll spend another two hundred and fifty to five hundred
thousand dollars while facing a thirty million dollar deficit to
repaint it, but they won't hire cops or encourage officers
to go after cold cases. If you talk to moms
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out there, they want to know who killed my kids.
You know, if you talk to Hope Dudley, she wants
to know who killed our kids. And so we need
more detectives going out for cold cases. We need more officers,
two hundred of them on our streets in order to
protect the law abiding citizens that live and go to
work every day, Dan Carroll, this is what frustrates me
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right now about City Hall. I can't get off it
because black males are being murdered in our streets every
single day. I got so infuriated that I reached out
to our governor over the weekend and I said, Governor
Mike Dryand we need your help. We cannot allow these
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blood baths to happen. We can't wait for it to
end up in Bexley. We can't wait for it to
hit Indian Hill, we can't wait for it to get
Hyde Park before we then say there's a problem. There's
a problem right now. I'm tired of all of the
window dressing of Oh, Kumbai, y'ah, we've got the Black
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Family Reunion. Everybody's gonna be wonderful. Let's put the mural
out in front of city all and then we don't
get down to the brass tack of making sure that
when somebody has a gun they take the life of
a black youth, buy a black youth, that we're gonna
put you in the jail for the rest of your life,
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and we're not gonna play around with you when you
have a gun. That message is not clear, Dan Carroll.
In the streets of Cincinnati, it is just the opposite.
It is soft on crime. If you have a gun,
you'll be out by Monday on no ar bond. Don't
worry about it. If they do bring you in, you'll
just get a month or two, maybe six months, back
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out with your family, back doing what you were doing before,
selling drugs and on the street. I'm tired of it
as a black American that lives in Cincinnati, but watching
this violence all across our country and you have these
democratic cities that continue to do the same thing. Let's
open up the pools, Let's have midnight basketball, all that
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kind of stuff. Let's give library cards out. We're at
the front line of it is. They're really pushing defund
the police, reimagine the police while black people are being
slaughtered in our streets, and it looks worse than what
we see happening in places like the Iraq War.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Well, Chrissy, and I'm glad you you. I'm always glad
when you bring up the points that you bring up.
And during your last statement there, you reminded me of
a conversation that I had with an individual, and it
has to do with perception versus reality, and so I
want to ask you about that. So we'll do that
when we come back from the break. Chris Smithman joins
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us for the Smith Event and we'll continue on right
after this on fifty five KRC, the talk station.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
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Speaker 1 (16:52):
Fifty five KRC DE talk station seven point thirty on
this Monday morning, as we continue to the Smith event
with Chris Smithman and Chris, I was having a conversation
with a friend of mine a few days ago, and
of course the issue of crime came. Look I talk
about this a lot with you, Corey Bowman, Judge Hartman,
others when it comes to the idea of crime in Cincinnati.
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And the conversation was about perception versus reality. And he says, look,
I go I'm downtown on a regular basis. He says,
I feel safe down there, you know. He says, you know,
I witnessed some minor things every once in a while,
but the idea that you're going to go downtown, that
you're going to get shot is probably very unlikely that
anything like that is going to happen. And I think
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two things can be true at the same time, so,
and I think in look, this is a person who
like you and me, we want Cincinnati to be a
great city. We want robust economic activity happening down there.
We want people to be safe when they come into
the city, and not just downtown but any part of
the city. We want people to have a good, clean, healthy,
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safe experience when they come into the city of Cincinnati.
So when you have people, and I'm sure you hear
people make these arguments to you on a regular basis,
just like they do to me, that we might be
overdoing this a little bit when we talk about these issues,
and maybe it doesn't match up to the experiences that
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so many people have when they do come into the city.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
What do you say. I'm not a gambling I'm not
a gambling man, but I don't want to play Russian
Roulette with my life. I don't know about you, so
it doesn't matter to me what the odds are. If
it happens to me, or happens to my daughter, or
happens to one of my boys, it's absolutely devastating to
my family and something that most families can't recover from.
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So why not just avoid it? Right? There are three
ways to deal with risk. Right, you can retain that risk,
you can ensure that risk, or you can avoid the risk.
I choose avoid right. So until I have a mayor
and a city council that acknowledges that we have a
problem because they're waking up on Monday morning saying it's
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your person, everything is cool, and I'm going it's not.
If you live in Avondale right now, it's not if
you live in near Eton Park, it's not It's not
okay to wake up and four people being shot. This
is not normal. And so the problem is you don't
have a mayor that gets behind a podium it's not
a ribbon cutting and says these words, I support my cops.
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I've now empowered my cops to do proactive policing and
I have their back. Until we have a mayor that's
willing to do that right at the front line, we're
going to continue to have this problem. This is not
about library cards, it's not about opening swimming pools. It's
not about making sure we have midnight basketball. All that
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stuff is great, but without the real penicillin, which is
a very robust police department that is empowered to do
proactive policing, we will continue to have the problems that
we're having. And I'm suggest to everyone listening to me
that people at city Hall, through their public policy, they
do not care about black lives. I am a Black American.
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I've raised for black men. I understand what it takes
to run a household and make sure that your kids
come up a responsible person, and most Black Americans in
the United States of America are law abiding citizens. We
are all sick and tired of all of this violence
that goes unanswered on Monday morning, with the same crap
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that comes from these mayors that say everything is okay.
It's not your children that are dying out here. I
know it's okay because you're going to go home to
your little comfy condo on the hill, paying up with
a million dollar mortgage, and everything is going to be cool.
It's not cool for that single mom that's in Avondale
every day getting up, going to work on an hourly
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wage on a bus where somebody was shot on a
metro bus this summer, and go everything is okay. I
am angry at this leadership in the city that continues
to just turn their backs on the people that vote
for them. And I say that to Black Americans. Stop
voting for these Democrats. Leave these Democrats alone. They don't
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care about your life. They don't care about public policy
that will really support your family. They're running around talking
about all kind of crazy stuff, and in the end,
they'll put a guy up for Senate tomorrow in a
primary who's wearing a Nazi symbol on his chest and
tell you that it's okay. What black American wakes up
and says, this is a guy that says he hates women,
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he's got a Nazi sign on his chest, and the
Democratic leadership at the federal level of saying we are
moving forward, we're endorsing this guy and everything is okay.
That's what's wrong, Dan Carroll. Black America needs to wake
up and say, we are separating ourselves from a party.
We're going to focus on public policy, and if you
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don't deliver the public policy, the basic thing of safety
to my neighborhood, I'm not going to vote for you.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Couldn't say it better myself. Chris Smithman, We'll get to
one more break. Stay right there as we continue on
with the smith event on fifty five krc.
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Speaker 1 (22:19):
Five krc DE talk station. We continue on with Chris
Smitherman and the Smith Events and Chris one more question
about crime and then we'll move on to something else.
But we have the specter now of Sarah Herringer. She
issuing the city a wrongful death lawsuit against the City
of Cincinnati when her husband was killed. Her husband, Patrick
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was killed by Mordecai Black, convicted felon, cut off his
ankle monitor, broke into their home stabbed him to death
as a turney. Her attorney, Todd McMurtry was on with
Bill Cunningham last week and laying out the case about
how the way Cincinnati police are able to do and
talked about it proactive policing that that has gone by
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the wayside and either directly or indirectly led to this crime.
Then we have a piece that was posted in the
Cincinnati Exchange. Adam Taylor has really a good analytical piece
and they're talking about is crime down in Cincinnati or
have we simply stopped reporting crime? And he makes the
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case that perception again perception versus reality here. So I
think more and more people are getting onto this idea
that the way we have changed policing. And look, no
one is pointing a finger at the cops on the street.
They are doing what they have been directed to do
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by their leadership, and of course they're following the orders
that come from city Hall.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Well, you really packed it in. My heart goes out
to Sarah and Patrick Pinninger, who you know, his life
was taken and it shouldn't have happened. I think that's
the bottom line, and I support her litigation. If I
were in her position, I would see Also, let me
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also just remind everybody that Patrick was a military vet.
He's somebody who served several tours in the military, putting
his life on the line, and died in OTR running
a small business of fitness with his beautiful wife. And
so it was absolutely a tragedy of a number of
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things where you have a monitor Dan Carroll on somebody's
leg that's been cut off for weeks, maybe even months,
and there's no reporting of that. And so yes, we're
not blaming our law enforcement officers who are told every
day to not go out and do proactive policing, and
when they do it, you have people like missus Irish
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Rollie who might just walk up and interveed in that
proact the policing telling that person what their rights are,
intervening inappropriately as our officers are doing their job. And
so that sends a very clear message out to the
public that you don't have to listen to police officers.
High Hey, we have a person we're paying six hundred
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and fifty thousand dollars a consultant who's telling us we
don't have to listen to cops. I can intervene and
start shooting off on what their rights are in a
basic traffic stop or a walk up in downtown. Let
me say this to you, Dan Carroll, we should all
investigate shots spotterer in our city. This is technology. It's
very much not reported, but somebody should do a public
(25:40):
information request and say shots fire, meaning you and I
are talking about people who were shot, but we don't
have the full picture of the weekend of how many
shots were actually fired. And I'm sharing with you it's
like a war zone out here in some of our
neighborhood and that we should for city Hall, the city manager,
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and the mayor and all members of council. I served
as Chair of Law and Public Safety to actively report
to us at the end of every weekend shots fired.
So we have an understanding about what my perception and
my reality is meaning of you and I find out
that there were five people shot, but there were one
hundred bullets that were shot, right, that is a different
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picture of what people are actually living through on a
daily basis, diving down on their apartment floor because they
hear bam bam, bam, bam bam. Nobody was shot, but
five people, five bullets go off. And so I'm just
saying to you the underreporting that you identify is so true.
But Shotspotder would unveil that to you, Dan Carroll and
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all of the radio hosts around our region about what's
really really happening in our downtown and in our fifty
two neighborhoods. I want to again stress to people that
are listening because they'll come back and say, well, Smith
Aman doesn't have any solutions. Let me give you some
brother right here so people can hear. Do Number One,
we need to have a plan. We don't have one.
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Number Two, we need to organize all law enforcement in
the region, bring them all in a room, which they
will not do, including the FBI, including ATF including the
prosecutor's office, including the head of the Hamilton County judicial system.
Bring them all in a room. Put the bad guys
on the table. Say here are the ten or fifteen
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people who are creating most of the habit. Go after them,
arrest them, give them big cases, put them under the dog,
on jail for a long time. Number two, you have
workers that are out here doing work in the middle
of the morning. Switch those shifts so in these hot
spots your lighting it up. So you're fixing our roads, which,
by the way, we should never sold our railroad. We
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don't know what's happening with potholes, but assuming that city
Hall has an interest in fixing our street, let's do
it at night where their problems. Bring our men and
women there who have jobs and have them do some
of this work at night in these hot spots. Light
them up, because guess what, crime and people who are
doing crime do not like activity. They do not like light.
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That doesn't that helps us. Number four, Meet with your judges,
line them up and tell them we want real, serious
consequences for people who have guns who are shooting and
killing people in our city. Number five, we need to
talk to our governor Governor Mike Dryn. We accept all
of your resources, your helicopter, you're detectives right. We support
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our State Highway patrolman coming into the City of Cincinnati
and policing some of the areas that our police are
currently doing so they can be dispatched into other areas.
Number six, have recruit classes, hire cops, stop downing them,
increase them morale, and go to every single roll call
you possibly can. When have you seen this? Mayor ever
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go to a roll call? Ever, do a drive go
into and do a ride along with our with our
with our Cincinnati police officers. The message is Dan Carroll
at the end is we have a city hall that
is not active with law enforcement, and they keep sending
the message that they just don't care.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
All right, Chris smithment one segment to go, stay right
there and we will wrap things up with the Smith event.
It's been an unbelievably fast hour so far on fifty
five KRC the talk station Shaffac's Credit Unions Community Shred
Day happening Saturday.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Fifty five KRC DE talk station.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas as we continue on with
the Smith events and Chris Smithman at City Hall Today,
Council Committee is going to hear the budget priorities of
the council members. I think this will be interesting as
city Council faces a thirty million dollar deficit and we're
going to hear what the priorities are of the individual
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council members. I can hear you chuckling in the background
because how much CD read meat. What kind of priorities
do you expect to be revealed today?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Brother? We'll be talking about it next Monday. You know,
it's a lot of pork and it's going to be
a lot of disconnected from reality of what's really happening.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Are they going to give the for the music for
the Cincinnati Symphony Music Center, the Farmer Center there and
down there in.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yes, Yes, that's done. They are they are, yes, yeah, yeah,
I mean I mean I'm just look, you could you'll
continue to highlight Dan Carroll the disconnectedness and what what
Dan Carroll is saying is here is today we get
to hear the priorities of the nine members of council,
your board of directors. So they're all introducing their motions
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to the budget Chair, and the budget chair takes those
motions and says, hey, where do I have five votes
on these priorities and each member of council is trying
to line up five members of council to support whatever
they whatever their desire is, whatever that project they want
to see go forward. We should take each of those
motions and and and put them like we should read them.
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In a week all each office will will will deliver
their emotions and you get a chance to see where
their heads are, what they think are the priorities for
the city on. You know, as a member of the
Board of Directors, I guarantee you there's a disconnect between
what we've been discussing this morning. Right, the most important
thing is life, meaning our lives and safety. You won't
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see many motions, if any, coming from the non members
of council and that's what made me.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Child So yeah, well go ahead. What were you going
to say?
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Well, well, I want to say to to your listening
audience is that you know our petition is not just
a petition that came from nowhere, Dan Carroll. It comes
from a place of watching the city manager constantly, one person,
one voice, having the power to fire and hire without
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the Board of Trustees, the non members of council having
any accountability or any say in it. And I just
believe that they could have gone on into executive session
and ask the city manager, why are you here to
fire Chief Washington? And she would not have been able
to articulate that to the nine members of council. So
she wouldn't have been able to get seven people, seven
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members of the elected, the people that go before you
and are voted on, to say yes, let's move forward,
and we wouldn't be facing some ten million dollar settlement,
our thirty million dollar settlement with our fire chief. And
so this is why this petition is so important. The
Democratic Party is lining up against it right They're saying,
this is chaos, it's political, it's going to create more chaos.
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I don't see how we can have more chaos. I
just believe that having one person, meaning, by the way,
I want to say, you can't fire the city manager
without seven members of council. What's so interesting is I'm
actually saying, the same way we deal with the city manager,
we deal with the police, and we deal with the
fire chief. If they all have the same level of protection,
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you cannot terminate the three of them without seven members
of council. But you have members of council to say, oh,
this is just so Chaoti. We don't know where this
came from. It came from a place of the taxpayers,
Dan Carroll, when you mentioned the thirty million dollar deficits,
we're the ones ultimately that will pay this settlement. It's
not the money is not coming from someplace out on
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the moon, Dan Carroll. The people that live in the
City of Cincinnati. While the mayor says he wants to
increase our income tact, we are the ones that will
ultimately pay for these settlements. That is why it is
our business, and it is why the seven members of council.
People can go to Dave Auto Over on the west
side of town. They can sign the petition there when
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they're open and they're hours. They can go to Jim
and Jacks they can sign it there. We need citizens
to engage in this process so that when we approach them,
they say, yes, I heard this, I heard it. You
and Dan Carroll were talking about it. I'm definitely going
to sign this petition if I live in the City
of Cincinnati in order to put this on the ballot
for NOVA so we can say forever and forever we
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say the city manager only has the power to recommend termination,
but the seven members of council are all nine have
been collectively have the final say.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Chris, let me ask you this real quick, and we've
just got about a minute left here. Do you expect
people to be surprised when the Mike Washington case, the
fire chief case is wrapped up, and the case with
CG is wrapped up? Eventually, the information that's contained within
each of those various court cases, I think a lot
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of stuff is going to come to light that a
lot of people probably don't understand or realize about the
inner workings of city Hall and the city manager's office
and the rest of that. Do you expect people to
be surprised by some of that information that will eventually
be revealed?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I do. I think people live very busy lives. They're
not doubt into this very important subject matter, and I
think they're going to be shocked by the size of
the settlements on both cases. Yes, I think you know
when you sit back and you think there are people
out there who still think that Chief Washington now even
under deposition, when the city manager was asked, do you
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have any information about sexual misconduct from Chief Washington, the
answer was no. Under deposition when she was asked this
simple question, how many female firefighters do you know? None?
How many how many firefighters who are female that are
are that are on currently the fire department? I don't know.
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I'm saying these were questions that were asked under deposition.
When the public gets a hold of that deposition and
they read that and then they understand why we have
the petition, right, they'll be running to sign it because
we just can't have one person making the call that
cost us tens of millions of dollars. We're going to
have to issue what are called bonds out here in
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the open market, meaning we're not going to we don't
have ten or fifteen or five or twenty million dollars.
We're going to have to literally go out into the
bond market and issue debt in order to pay for
this for this litigation. And we'll be paying for that
litigation with interest of probably seven percent or eight percent
for the next thirty or forty years.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
All right, Chris Smithman, we got to run.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Thank you so much. Thank you, Dan Carroll, give me.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
The social media, give me at vote smithmant at vote.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Smitherman, you can follow me. See you next week. Dan Carroll,
thanks you for covering for Brian Thomas and my love
to him as he is. You know is recovering this week.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Chris, you're the best. On fifty five KRCV talk station
Speaker 3 (36:35):
At the top of the hour, here's
Brian Thomas News
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