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Speaker 1 (00:00):
See the talk station.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's seven thirty one here fifty five KCD talk station.
Happy Tuesday, Good time to be tuned in the return
of Tom Zawastowski. You can find him at we the
People at convention dot org. He's got a podcast each
week that's worth listening to and also posting up some
great articles and thoughts and opinions, including the anti Data
center hysteria is a foreign funded repeat of every failed
(00:26):
ludite crusade. Nice headline, Tom z, welcome back to the program,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Glad to be with.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
You, and after your test that Joe puts your chorice
on pronunciation pronunci names.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm glad you can say Zawastowski. It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's an easy one. Yeah, you know, it may have
been that I mispronounced it previously. My buddy John News
as he sent me a text after I endeavored to
read through those names, he said, are those common spellings.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Great?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Here?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Sometimes that's all that keeps me going through the day
of terrible headlines, as the humor I get from Joe
and folks like a John out there chiming in the topic.
So you know, I read these the couple of articles
about the chat GPT, which is of course kind of
an offspring of artificial intelligence generally, kind of an offspring
of data centers. Generally, you need these massive data centers
(01:18):
to crunch all of the information that allows I guess
chat GPT to function the way it does quite often
in a horrific way, tom Z. So we can all agree.
I think that like for example, chat GPT can be
dangerous and based upon the way it's programmed, can be
nefarious and can be biased and twisted, which to me
(01:41):
suggests maybe don't rely on it, which is where I
am as a default mechanism. No ludite, am I, But
I'm not going to go down that road because I
don't need it. But it doesn't mean that artifica or
the data centers themselves carry with it the same you know, taint,
or or that they are just by virtue of their
existence dangerous or a nefari is Tom Your take, Well,
(02:02):
you're making a very important point because the people are
getting the two things confused.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Okay, So you know, when I'm talking about data centers,
I'm talking about you know, the physical structure, the you know,
the use of water, electricity, the noise, you know, the
things that people are concerned about, but also, holy cow,
benefits the property taxes these places are going to pay.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
That can really help, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
The people are complaining about their property taxes being too high.
So that's one side of it. The other side of
it is is AI good or bad?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And the Pope did an encyclical over the more of
the weekend which was very good. People should read it
where he's you know, raising the moral concerns about AI
and all that. But this article you refer to it
we people convention dot org. It's written by this really
interesting guy called Alexander Muse who posts a lot of.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Things on as really smart guy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
He kind of goes through it from a historical perspective,
comparing data centers to the invention of electricity, you know,
the railroads, the highways. Every new technology as its opponents,
and there's fear connected with it because it's new. You
don't understand it. But it's hard for people to separate,
(03:17):
you know, the the AI. You know, is AI good
or bad? Is it ready now or not? Versus is
this data center okay to put in our in our backyard?
Particularly Brian, when there is a literally organized effort by
people outside this country and inside this country to confuse
you and just completely destroy any common conversation you can
(03:39):
have about that question.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is it is it okay to put a data center here?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Let's pause.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We'll elaborate on all these points with Tom z Awastowski.
You can find them online. We the People Convention dot org.
Be right back, and if if you've got GARCD talk station,
Happy Tuesday. Brian Thomas with Tom Zawastowski from We the
People Convention dot org. Tom was not arrested in the
street overtakes take last night. Maybe that's how I can
pronounce your name there, Tom Anyway. In terms of data centers,
(04:07):
before we get to the know the belief, and I'm
firmly of the mind that the Chinese Communist Party not
Chinese people. Mind you, for those who immediately accuse someone
of being racist merely because they attack the Chinese Communist
Party got to hate when people do that, Tom Anyway,
they have an incentive to try to undermine our desire
(04:27):
to embrace the data centers. We can get to that
in a minute. I know you're going to elaborate on it,
but you mentioned three of the specific reasons people will
protest are AI coming to their community in spite of
the fact that it will generate pretty massive tax dollars.
You mentioned water, electricity, and noise. Now, as I hear
(04:49):
that with the exceptional electricity, which we can deal with separately,
water and noise, I am of the mind because I've
heard so many times that the data centers don't necessarily
depends on what type of system they have to cool
all the electronics, but they don't use up the water.
They merely bring the water out, use it to recirculate
it in a closed system, and then put the water back. Now,
(05:11):
some have pointed out that well, during that loop process,
chemicals are introduced and pollutants are put into you know,
as a consequence of the pipes or whatever. So give
them their due on that. But that's something that seems
to need to be easily remedied if you have a
regulation in place it says the water coming out must
be equally clean as the water going in. Hell, if
(05:31):
we can scrub crap out of coal production, I imagine we
can manage doing a little filtration on water, right Tom.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, see, now.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Again you're making another great point because we're exaggerating the
effects of these data centers and not even putting in
context of the you know, the steel plants we have
and all the auto manufacturing, and you know the things
that are using all kinds of chemicals.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So let me give you an example.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
On Friday, I went to an open house in Shaylersville Township,
which is in northern Portage County, for a data center
that they have that they're proposing there. And in social
media on Facebook, they're saying this thing is going to
use a million gallons of water a day and in
huge amounts of water. Okay, Now, I toms Awastowski went
(06:21):
to Masslin, Ohio to visit a data center that's already
built that this company is proposing a Shaylersville. I go
to the data center and Brian, there's racks of computers,
and I've had racks of computers in my business, and
they give off a lot of heat. And right across
from them is a wall that looks like the radiator
in my car. Okay, And going through that wall is
(06:44):
the same stuff that's in the radiator of your car that.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Does what cools your engine.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So the heat from the service goes through that wall
and comes out and it's cool on the other side,
time you put water in your radiator, Brian, Well, the
last time you put water in your radiator.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Never really mean I own a modern car. I'm not
driving around in a nineteen forty forty.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Get this, Get this.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I gotta finish this because it's it's really a part
of the problem. So at this open house they've got
to display that shows this is our closed loop system.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
By closed loop is like the radiator on your car.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
They're gonna use three thousand gallons.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Of water total.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
There's no well, they're not drilling any wells, they're not
putting any water back anywhere. They fill it up, put
the free on or whatever the chemical is that does it,
and then that's it.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
People would come to the.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Open house, see that, talk to a person who's like
a technician who knows they're talking about and look at
them and say, I don't believe you.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You're lying. Okay, Now, this is.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
The difference I want to make for you and everyone
listening between cracking, which is the fight that the Teep
Party fought in Ohio. We literally saved fracking in the
United States when the left tried to kill it by
saying it's going to poison your water. It's gonna take
your water out of your well. Your faucet's gonna start
(08:13):
on fire because the gas will.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Go into your water.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
All that stuff was lies that was put forward to
stop us from fracking. I thought that fight eleven years ago.
The difference is back then I could have an intelligent
conversation with someone.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Now, after you and I and every one of your.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Listeners has been subjected to the COVID hoax, the twenty
twenty election hopes, Russia, Russia, Russia, social media censorship. The
difference today is that we've been conditioned to not trust
anyone or anything.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So how do we have a conversation?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
How can I bring facts to your listeners when they
believe some stupid thing on the internet for no reason
and they won't listen to any.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Thought an ever growing problem, Tom Zawastowski. That's get people
getting their closed speaking of closed loop, closed loop information environment,
only going to one source or sources that they agree
with or that appeal to whatever conclusion they've reached and
refused to use logic and reason to to sort of
listen to the retorts, listening to points.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
That you make.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
How can you argue that a closed loop cooling system
which doesn't spit anything out is polluting our water. It's
a finite amount of whatever solution is in there. Maybe
they fill it with anti freeze, which has a heating
and cooling effect. Whatever, it's not going out into the world. Now,
that doesn't mean that all systems operate that way, because
I've been told some of the systems draw water in
(09:46):
and then put the water back out. Let's say you
got a river, and this is maybe theoretical, but it's
what I've been told. Water goes in, it cools the plan,
and it goes back out. To the extent that system
is in place in any given facility, I think we
have the technology to clean any water that come. You
could deal with that up front. And you know, in
so far as noise is concerned, you know, we'll build
windmill farms of thousands and thousands of acres of droning,
(10:08):
bird killing windmills the name of keeping carbon dioxide out
of the area. You gotta stare at them, hundred plus
foot towers that are monstrous and ugly. That's okay, no
NIMBI suit to keep that crap out of your yard.
And what does it give us? Inefficient electricity production. It
only works when the wind blows.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You got a small footprint AI facility which apparently is
churning out a lot of good in addition to potential evil,
but also provides some jobs and some tax revenue for
the area. People complain about it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Noise.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh, they have noise statutes, don't they, Tom, I mean, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's almost it's even's crazier than that.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
This data center is literally next to the Ohio Turnpike.
How much noise you think is coming off the Ohio
Turnpike and Nasaline.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I walked around.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
The facility with a a noise meter, okay, and measured
the noise all over the place. They're literally our houses
thirty five feet off the property at this data center
in Massaline, and the noise was nothing less more than
traffic noise.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
But again, you got to have this conversation. And I
respect the fact that people, you know, they want transparency.
And I listened yesterday to the Ohio Channel testimony, the
you know, the negative testimony by citizens about data centers.
Two things were really important there. The first one was
(11:38):
there's a lot of government agencies like townships and county
officials and economic development people who are lying to people. Okay,
and here's the problem we're having. And I saw this yesterday,
and you made a good point. The problem is they're
using the term data center, and everyone thinks every data
(11:59):
center is like the monstrosity and uta they're proposing that's
the size of Manhattan. Okay, so if you say data center,
they go immediately to that.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But that's not true. Every data center is different.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
The ones we're talking about here in Ohio and some
of these places, and there are some big ones in
Allow two or three, but they look like the storage
units around Cincinnati where you store your RV or your boat.
I mean, it's nothing compared to the plants we see
all over Ohio.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But here's the thing that we've got to do.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
We've got to start to have a fair conversation. And
I wrote to Vivek Ramaswami yesterday. I wrote to Alex
the chairman of the Republic Party, and I said, guys,
you've got to understand we've got a real problem here
because the left is splitting our base. The left is
getting us to go against the people in our base
(12:51):
who are now against data centers. And if we're for them.
We're gonna have a problem in November with the election
if we don't start to spend money to get the
truth out and to fight for transparency, to basically say
no NDAs and the wine with his you know tax
exect you know, uh breaks for data centers. There's no
(13:13):
need for tax breaks for.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
DAIS data centers.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
They're making a ton of money and this data center
in Saylersville isn't asking for any tax breaks.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
We have to be on the side of those things.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And you know what we got to do most of all,
you got to get the PUCO to protect citizens' rate
bills from data centers. This is not the data centers saying, oh,
I want you to pay for my electricity. Read the
article at read the People Convention dot org about this
and you'll find that the problem is the PUCO isn't
(13:45):
protecting the citizens, not that the data centers are trying
to hurt you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And that's part of the hearings that are going on.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And they're gonna have more testimony on Thursday at the
Ohio Channel and you're gonna see the ohioi PA and
the Ohio UCO who are really the culprits in this
that need to protect us. It's not the data centers,
it's our government.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Let's pause from one. We have just a couple of
minutes left with Tom Zawastowski. We the People Convention dot org.
Find Tom bookmark the site. You'd be glad you did.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Be right back.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
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Fifty five krse the talk station.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Seven fifty two if you have PERCD talk station right
the time was the Tom z Awastowski We People Convention
dot org, where you can check out the article we've
been talking about this morning. The anti data center hysteria
is a foreign funded repeat of every failed lu Dai crusade.
I just love the headline there, Tom, you dealt with
the water lie at closed loop systems, And I guess
(14:41):
according to the fun facts that this article reveals, you know,
may three thousand gallons maybe used today or something which
is less or typical about office building. But moving aside
from that, I appreciate the interjection of the point about
an average eighteen whole golf course in America south five
one hundred thousand gallons of water per day during growing season,
(15:05):
and nobody complains about a moratorium on golf. But over
to the electricity, clearly they use a lot of electricity.
Nobody can deny that. And you know we've struggled with
peak power problems here. I know my electricity bill went
up because I guess do kind of go out and
buy additional electricity from the open market, which costs a
lot more over the wintertime. How do we address that?
(15:28):
My answer has always been, well, let the data centers
bring their own power supply with them, and I always
then default two small modular reactors. I don't know if
we're there yet, but we got regulatory hurdles that put
a problem in front of that. But that's something that
every community could benefit from. If they bring an SMR,
it'll be more than enough to power the AI facility
and the neighborhood might get the benefit of the extra power.
(15:48):
Tom your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, you'll see an article on our website where you
people Convention dot org. We're President Trump called all these
data center companies in and had them sign an agreement
that said, you will bring your own power, you will
do exactly what you said, and they're willing to do it.
The problem is if you read the article that we're
talking about, they talk about how the public utility commissions
(16:10):
in these various states are stopping them from doing this.
And in Ohio we've had just gross mismanagement of our power.
Again going back to hey, let's close twenty four coal
plants that would be really handy to have right now,
wouldn't they right? And we got all this coal, but
we got nowhere to burn it. You know, this is
part of the problem. And nuclear you know, Ohio ledded
(16:33):
nuclear babcocks and willbox out of Barbara to Ohio like
invented nuclear plants, and why aren't we doing that? What
we're starting to but we're behind the curve. So your
point is really important. I want everyone to understand this.
The bottom line is we can build safe data centers
(16:54):
that will benefit the community. What we need to do
is have transfer guaranty. No NDA's no, you know, not
telling people what's going on from you know, the township
trustees and stuff. Yeah, and we need to answer their questions.
And then in this Sellersville site, here's the deal. I'm
talking to the developers. I'm saying, here's the deal. You're
(17:15):
gonna sign a contract with the Sellersville's trustees that say, this.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Is exactly how you're going to build it, just like
you said.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And you're gonna answer these specific questions about noise, about water,
about power and all that stuff. And then you're going
to give us a guarantee instead of projections about property taxes,
you're gonna commit to some minimum payments that the community's
gonna get because it's huge. I mean, I'm talking Shellersville Township.
(17:43):
If this data center does what they think it's gonna do,
it will double their township budget, double it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The school district will get two million dollars year.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's exactly what I was gonna ask. Aren't the teachers
unions in favor of this? Because of that point?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Tom Well, her intendant's eyes got real big when they
told her about that, and I we're gonna see how
much pressure the unions have from their communist brethren right
to to cut off their noses spite their face.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So then the third part is we're gonna have.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
A bond that's tied to this contract that says, hey,
if the closed loop system leads, you know, there's insurance
to cover for, you know, fixing the problem. Okay, So
and So the bottom line is we can do this
in an intelligent way without the hysteria. And yesterday I'll
(18:36):
finish with this and you'll laugh. I lost it when
when I was watching it. Here he goes to say,
and a woman brought up Silent Spring, the Margaret Sanger
book about DDT care you're damaging the shells of birds,
you know, eggs, and.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
How we had to band DDT.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
She brought it up and compared data centers to DDT.
When that book was totally disgraced and found there was
a complete lie. Indeed, the banning of d T actually
killed hundreds of thousands of people around the world because
they couldn't use it to stop mosquitoes. And they brought
(19:14):
it up in that hearing. That's the hysteria I'm talking about.
You're making decision based on nonsense, right, the climate change,
you know, to the un just versus climate change?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Right, Yeah, because it's all bull crap.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It is hock facts.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Let's get to the bottom of this and let's do
what's right for America and for our communities and for Ohio.
The Pirch County Teaparty dot com also you'll see this
whole Shalersville thing spelled out with all the details.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Go to that too.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
There's another side to check out, a edition to week
the people at convention dot org. Tom, it's always a
pleasure having here on the show. I have a fantastic weekend.
Keep up the great work, my friend. We'll deal with you.
We'll talk again next week.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Don't go
See the talk station.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's seven thirty one here fifty five KCD talk station.
Happy Tuesday, Good time to be tuned in the return
of Tom Zawastowski. You can find him at we the
People at convention dot org. He's got a podcast each
week that's worth listening to and also posting up some
great articles and thoughts and opinions, including the anti Data
center hysteria is a foreign funded repeat of every failed
(00:26):
ludite crusade. Nice headline, Tom z, welcome back to the program,
my friend.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Glad to be with.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
You, and after your test that Joe puts your chorice
on pronunciation pronunci names.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm glad you can say Zawastowski. It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's an easy one. Yeah, you know, it may have
been that I mispronounced it previously. My buddy John News
as he sent me a text after I endeavored to
read through those names, he said, are those common spellings.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Great?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Here?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Sometimes that's all that keeps me going through the day
of terrible headlines, as the humor I get from Joe
and folks like a John out there chiming in the topic.
So you know, I read these the couple of articles
about the chat GPT, which is of course kind of
an offspring of artificial intelligence generally, kind of an offspring
of data centers. Generally, you need these massive data centers
(01:18):
to crunch all of the information that allows I guess
chat GPT to function the way it does quite often
in a horrific way, tom Z. So we can all agree.
I think that like for example, chat GPT can be
dangerous and based upon the way it's programmed, can be
nefarious and can be biased and twisted, which to me
(01:41):
suggests maybe don't rely on it, which is where I
am as a default mechanism. No ludite, am I, But
I'm not going to go down that road because I
don't need it. But it doesn't mean that artifica or
the data centers themselves carry with it the same you know, taint,
or or that they are just by virtue of their
existence dangerous or a nefari is Tom Your take, Well,
(02:02):
you're making a very important point because the people are
getting the two things confused.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Okay, So you know, when I'm talking about data centers,
I'm talking about you know, the physical structure, the you know,
the use of water, electricity, the noise, you know, the
things that people are concerned about, but also, holy cow,
benefits the property taxes these places are going to pay.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
That can really help, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
The people are complaining about their property taxes being too high.
So that's one side of it. The other side of
it is is AI good or bad?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And the Pope did an encyclical over the more of
the weekend which was very good. People should read it
where he's you know, raising the moral concerns about AI
and all that. But this article you refer to it
we people convention dot org. It's written by this really
interesting guy called Alexander Muse who posts a lot of.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Things on as really smart guy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
He kind of goes through it from a historical perspective,
comparing data centers to the invention of electricity, you know,
the railroads, the highways. Every new technology as its opponents,
and there's fear connected with it because it's new. You
don't understand it. But it's hard for people to separate,
(03:17):
you know, the the AI. You know, is AI good
or bad? Is it ready now or not? Versus is
this data center okay to put in our in our backyard?
Particularly Brian, when there is a literally organized effort by
people outside this country and inside this country to confuse
you and just completely destroy any common conversation you can
(03:39):
have about that question.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Is it is it okay to put a data center here?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Let's pause.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
We'll elaborate on all these points with Tom z Awastowski.
You can find them online. We the People Convention dot org.
Be right back, and if if you've got GARCD talk station,
Happy Tuesday. Brian Thomas with Tom Zawastowski from We the
People Convention dot org. Tom was not arrested in the
street overtakes take last night. Maybe that's how I can
pronounce your name there, Tom Anyway. In terms of data centers,
(04:07):
before we get to the know the belief, and I'm
firmly of the mind that the Chinese Communist Party not
Chinese people. Mind you, for those who immediately accuse someone
of being racist merely because they attack the Chinese Communist
Party got to hate when people do that, Tom Anyway,
they have an incentive to try to undermine our desire
(04:27):
to embrace the data centers. We can get to that
in a minute. I know you're going to elaborate on it,
but you mentioned three of the specific reasons people will
protest are AI coming to their community in spite of
the fact that it will generate pretty massive tax dollars.
You mentioned water, electricity, and noise. Now, as I hear
(04:49):
that with the exceptional electricity, which we can deal with separately,
water and noise, I am of the mind because I've
heard so many times that the data centers don't necessarily
depends on what type of system they have to cool
all the electronics, but they don't use up the water.
They merely bring the water out, use it to recirculate
it in a closed system, and then put the water back. Now,
(05:11):
some have pointed out that well, during that loop process,
chemicals are introduced and pollutants are put into you know,
as a consequence of the pipes or whatever. So give
them their due on that. But that's something that seems
to need to be easily remedied if you have a
regulation in place it says the water coming out must
be equally clean as the water going in. Hell, if
(05:31):
we can scrub crap out of coal production, I imagine we
can manage doing a little filtration on water, right Tom.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, see, now.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Again you're making another great point because we're exaggerating the
effects of these data centers and not even putting in
context of the you know, the steel plants we have
and all the auto manufacturing, and you know the things
that are using all kinds of chemicals.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So let me give you an example.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
On Friday, I went to an open house in Shaylersville Township,
which is in northern Portage County, for a data center
that they have that they're proposing there. And in social
media on Facebook, they're saying this thing is going to
use a million gallons of water a day and in
huge amounts of water. Okay, Now, I toms Awastowski went
(06:21):
to Masslin, Ohio to visit a data center that's already
built that this company is proposing a Shaylersville. I go
to the data center and Brian, there's racks of computers,
and I've had racks of computers in my business, and
they give off a lot of heat. And right across
from them is a wall that looks like the radiator
in my car. Okay, And going through that wall is
(06:44):
the same stuff that's in the radiator of your car that.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Does what cools your engine.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So the heat from the service goes through that wall
and comes out and it's cool on the other side,
time you put water in your radiator, Brian, Well, the
last time you put water in your radiator.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Never really mean I own a modern car. I'm not
driving around in a nineteen forty forty.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Get this, Get this.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I gotta finish this because it's it's really a part
of the problem. So at this open house they've got
to display that shows this is our closed loop system.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
By closed loop is like the radiator on your car.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
They're gonna use three thousand gallons.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Of water total.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
There's no well, they're not drilling any wells, they're not
putting any water back anywhere. They fill it up, put
the free on or whatever the chemical is that does it,
and then that's it.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
People would come to the.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Open house, see that, talk to a person who's like
a technician who knows they're talking about and look at
them and say, I don't believe you.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You're lying. Okay, Now, this is.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
The difference I want to make for you and everyone
listening between cracking, which is the fight that the Teep
Party fought in Ohio. We literally saved fracking in the
United States when the left tried to kill it by
saying it's going to poison your water. It's gonna take
your water out of your well. Your faucet's gonna start
(08:13):
on fire because the gas will.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Go into your water.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
All that stuff was lies that was put forward to
stop us from fracking. I thought that fight eleven years ago.
The difference is back then I could have an intelligent
conversation with someone.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Now, after you and I and every one of your.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Listeners has been subjected to the COVID hoax, the twenty
twenty election hopes, Russia, Russia, Russia, social media censorship. The
difference today is that we've been conditioned to not trust
anyone or anything.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So how do we have a conversation?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
How can I bring facts to your listeners when they
believe some stupid thing on the internet for no reason
and they won't listen to any.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Thought an ever growing problem, Tom Zawastowski. That's get people
getting their closed speaking of closed loop, closed loop information environment,
only going to one source or sources that they agree
with or that appeal to whatever conclusion they've reached and
refused to use logic and reason to to sort of
listen to the retorts, listening to points.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
That you make.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
How can you argue that a closed loop cooling system
which doesn't spit anything out is polluting our water. It's
a finite amount of whatever solution is in there. Maybe
they fill it with anti freeze, which has a heating
and cooling effect. Whatever, it's not going out into the world. Now,
that doesn't mean that all systems operate that way, because
I've been told some of the systems draw water in
(09:46):
and then put the water back out. Let's say you
got a river, and this is maybe theoretical, but it's
what I've been told. Water goes in, it cools the plan,
and it goes back out. To the extent that system
is in place in any given facility, I think we
have the technology to clean any water that come. You
could deal with that up front. And you know, in
so far as noise is concerned, you know, we'll build
windmill farms of thousands and thousands of acres of droning,
(10:08):
bird killing windmills the name of keeping carbon dioxide out
of the area. You gotta stare at them, hundred plus
foot towers that are monstrous and ugly. That's okay, no
NIMBI suit to keep that crap out of your yard.
And what does it give us? Inefficient electricity production. It
only works when the wind blows.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You got a small footprint AI facility which apparently is
churning out a lot of good in addition to potential evil,
but also provides some jobs and some tax revenue for
the area. People complain about it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Noise.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Oh, they have noise statutes, don't they, Tom, I mean, Ryan.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's almost it's even's crazier than that.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
This data center is literally next to the Ohio Turnpike.
How much noise you think is coming off the Ohio
Turnpike and Nasaline.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
I walked around.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
The facility with a a noise meter, okay, and measured
the noise all over the place. They're literally our houses
thirty five feet off the property at this data center
in Massaline, and the noise was nothing less more than
traffic noise.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
But again, you got to have this conversation. And I
respect the fact that people, you know, they want transparency.
And I listened yesterday to the Ohio Channel testimony, the
you know, the negative testimony by citizens about data centers.
Two things were really important there. The first one was
(11:38):
there's a lot of government agencies like townships and county
officials and economic development people who are lying to people. Okay,
and here's the problem we're having. And I saw this yesterday,
and you made a good point. The problem is they're
using the term data center, and everyone thinks every data
(11:59):
center is like the monstrosity and uta they're proposing that's
the size of Manhattan. Okay, so if you say data center,
they go immediately to that.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But that's not true. Every data center is different.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
The ones we're talking about here in Ohio and some
of these places, and there are some big ones in
Allow two or three, but they look like the storage
units around Cincinnati where you store your RV or your boat.
I mean, it's nothing compared to the plants we see
all over Ohio.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
But here's the thing that we've got to do.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
We've got to start to have a fair conversation. And
I wrote to Vivek Ramaswami yesterday. I wrote to Alex
the chairman of the Republic Party, and I said, guys,
you've got to understand we've got a real problem here
because the left is splitting our base. The left is
getting us to go against the people in our base
(12:51):
who are now against data centers. And if we're for them.
We're gonna have a problem in November with the election
if we don't start to spend money to get the
truth out and to fight for transparency, to basically say
no NDAs and the wine with his you know tax
exect you know, uh breaks for data centers. There's no
(13:13):
need for tax breaks for.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
DAIS data centers.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
They're making a ton of money and this data center
in Saylersville isn't asking for any tax breaks.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
We have to be on the side of those things.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And you know what we got to do most of all,
you got to get the PUCO to protect citizens' rate
bills from data centers. This is not the data centers saying, oh,
I want you to pay for my electricity. Read the
article at read the People Convention dot org about this
and you'll find that the problem is the PUCO isn't
(13:45):
protecting the citizens, not that the data centers are trying
to hurt you.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And that's part of the hearings that are going on.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
And they're gonna have more testimony on Thursday at the
Ohio Channel and you're gonna see the ohioi PA and
the Ohio UCO who are really the culprits in this
that need to protect us. It's not the data centers,
it's our government.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Let's pause from one. We have just a couple of
minutes left with Tom Zawastowski. We the People Convention dot org.
Find Tom bookmark the site. You'd be glad you did.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Be right back.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I first want to mention Prestigentias improving the way families
come together in the kitchen for.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Fifty five krse the talk station.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Seven fifty two if you have PERCD talk station right
the time was the Tom z Awastowski We People Convention
dot org, where you can check out the article we've
been talking about this morning. The anti data center hysteria
is a foreign funded repeat of every failed lu Dai crusade.
I just love the headline there, Tom, you dealt with
the water lie at closed loop systems, And I guess
(14:41):
according to the fun facts that this article reveals, you know,
may three thousand gallons maybe used today or something which
is less or typical about office building. But moving aside
from that, I appreciate the interjection of the point about
an average eighteen whole golf course in America south five
one hundred thousand gallons of water per day during growing season,
(15:05):
and nobody complains about a moratorium on golf. But over
to the electricity, clearly they use a lot of electricity.
Nobody can deny that. And you know we've struggled with
peak power problems here. I know my electricity bill went
up because I guess do kind of go out and
buy additional electricity from the open market, which costs a
lot more over the wintertime. How do we address that?
(15:28):
My answer has always been, well, let the data centers
bring their own power supply with them, and I always
then default two small modular reactors. I don't know if
we're there yet, but we got regulatory hurdles that put
a problem in front of that. But that's something that
every community could benefit from. If they bring an SMR,
it'll be more than enough to power the AI facility
and the neighborhood might get the benefit of the extra power.
(15:48):
Tom your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, you'll see an article on our website where you
people Convention dot org. We're President Trump called all these
data center companies in and had them sign an agreement
that said, you will bring your own power, you will
do exactly what you said, and they're willing to do it.
The problem is if you read the article that we're
talking about, they talk about how the public utility commissions
(16:10):
in these various states are stopping them from doing this.
And in Ohio we've had just gross mismanagement of our power.
Again going back to hey, let's close twenty four coal
plants that would be really handy to have right now,
wouldn't they right? And we got all this coal, but
we got nowhere to burn it. You know, this is
part of the problem. And nuclear you know, Ohio ledded
(16:33):
nuclear babcocks and willbox out of Barbara to Ohio like
invented nuclear plants, and why aren't we doing that? What
we're starting to but we're behind the curve. So your
point is really important. I want everyone to understand this.
The bottom line is we can build safe data centers
(16:54):
that will benefit the community. What we need to do
is have transfer guaranty. No NDA's no, you know, not
telling people what's going on from you know, the township
trustees and stuff. Yeah, and we need to answer their questions.
And then in this Sellersville site, here's the deal. I'm
talking to the developers. I'm saying, here's the deal. You're
(17:15):
gonna sign a contract with the Sellersville's trustees that say, this.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Is exactly how you're going to build it, just like
you said.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
And you're gonna answer these specific questions about noise, about water,
about power and all that stuff. And then you're going
to give us a guarantee instead of projections about property taxes,
you're gonna commit to some minimum payments that the community's
gonna get because it's huge. I mean, I'm talking Shellersville Township.
(17:43):
If this data center does what they think it's gonna do,
it will double their township budget, double it.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The school district will get two million dollars year.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's exactly what I was gonna ask. Aren't the teachers
unions in favor of this? Because of that point?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Tom Well, her intendant's eyes got real big when they
told her about that, and I we're gonna see how
much pressure the unions have from their communist brethren right
to to cut off their noses spite their face.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So then the third part is we're gonna have.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
A bond that's tied to this contract that says, hey,
if the closed loop system leads, you know, there's insurance
to cover for, you know, fixing the problem. Okay, So
and So the bottom line is we can do this
in an intelligent way without the hysteria. And yesterday I'll
(18:36):
finish with this and you'll laugh. I lost it when
when I was watching it. Here he goes to say,
and a woman brought up Silent Spring, the Margaret Sanger
book about DDT care you're damaging the shells of birds,
you know, eggs, and.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
How we had to band DDT.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
She brought it up and compared data centers to DDT.
When that book was totally disgraced and found there was
a complete lie. Indeed, the banning of d T actually
killed hundreds of thousands of people around the world because
they couldn't use it to stop mosquitoes. And they brought
(19:14):
it up in that hearing. That's the hysteria I'm talking about.
You're making decision based on nonsense, right, the climate change,
you know, to the un just versus climate change?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Right, Yeah, because it's all bull crap.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It is hock facts.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Let's get to the bottom of this and let's do
what's right for America and for our communities and for Ohio.
The Pirch County Teaparty dot com also you'll see this
whole Shalersville thing spelled out with all the details.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Go to that too.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
There's another side to check out, a edition to week
the people at convention dot org. Tom, it's always a
pleasure having here on the show. I have a fantastic weekend.
Keep up the great work, my friend. We'll deal with you.
We'll talk again next week.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Don't go
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