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Speaker 1 (00:00):
President City Council President Mike Carbosis. You enjoyed the eggnog, sir,
you know this, it's the season we had it out
for you.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I will say one thing. You were the only only.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Host of the radio start over your mic.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What I will say one thing For those folks that
don't know, I'm gonna tell you why, Trippers and gentleman,
he is the only radio host. Every time I come
in here, can't get you anything to drink.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
You know why because I bought that refrigerator at a
yard sale and I love to for people to comment
on it. I have a little five can refrigerator here.
I bought it for five bucks and it functions properly.
That's great I have.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Actually, you're lucky. I just got another one from my
dad because his after two years broke down. So whatever
brand this is.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Aren't those cool in America? You don't have one next year?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ben, I don't know. I have to get my sorry
butt up, go downstairs and get a drink.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's not about it, hey, But and I know you
went through the weight loss period there as well, because
you used to be having weight on you, so you
remember those. I gotta go down the stairs and back
up with my dessert. Sometimes that can be the deciding
factor that you just fell asleep.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Well, you are the city council president of a picturesque
California city, says the Daily Mail UK. We normally don't
have people writing the subways in London reading about Fresno.
Do We not?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Very often wish what we did?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Were you kind of surprised by that article?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think it was surprised that the how incendiary the
press conference was that led to the article and why
that actually got covered.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, back back us up and tell us how Alex
we so that that got well, first us explain the
Southeast Development areas, why you're holding the press conference, give
everybody what that means here.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, So basically, the city council just had a workshop
on what's called the Southeast Development Area. This is something
that was a plan from fifteen years ago when I
think I think Mayor Swerson was in office, maybe before her,
but ironically the former Planning Director Keith Berthold, who's now
opposed to this, was the brainchild of it, as I've
been as the fact seem to suggest, good guy.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
The person that's against it is thought it up.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I don't know. I don't know what's going on. There's
a lot of politics involved. The group consider a post.
So basically, this is how we grow our city. So
for example, in northeast Fresno, we grew out on Copper River.
Northwest Fresno's pretty much grown. We still have our downtown
area or core, we have Blackstone, and then we have
Southwest it's getting a lot of development, and now we
have Southeast, like the Fanschure Creek project just opened up,
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the new huge target. That's actually they went out there.
It's actually pretty cool in and out's out there, Sprouse
is out there, and for folks that live out there,
these are great jobs and services. They can have an
accessible produce and health. We talked about health earlier. So
it's good to grow. But they some of these folks
raise a really good point. We want to make sure
we grow responsibly, that it pays for itself, and we
can have that debate. The problem is some of these folks,
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not all of them. Some of them you talk to,
there's ulterior motives. It doesn't matter what you say. They're
going to say, Oh, you guys are just beholden to developers. No,
we're beholden to the people of this community. They are
tired of rents being so expensive, they are tired of
mortgages costing so much, where the ability to own a
home is almost out of reach for so many people.
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And part of it is people need jobs. Well you're
not going to get that by sitting on your butt.
Doing nothing has led to growth in Madera, led to
growth in Clovis, which benefits their communities and actually hurts
our environment because when you drive to Madera, like you
use our roads during the day in our services, but
you don't pay your taxes here. Your taxes go to
Madera County. And I look not knocking down Madera. I'm
just saying there's nothing smart about doing nothing. And they
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want us to basically not grow the city out and
do nothing. And I think that's that's probably.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
A we need to sprawl in the tax area.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, I don't even know if it's sprawl.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
If we can that's a good word. Well, they turned
it into a bad word to me. That's growth.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, I think growth is good, especially when you're doing
it the right way. But the kind of sprawl we've
had by saying no more growth. People want to buy homes.
They've sprawled into another county and as they drive far away,
if you have a non electric vehicle, you're theoretically polluting
the air. That's not good for our kids. So if
we build within our city, we're better off that way
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because the market will demand what it demands.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And you've been riding your bike since you guys went
to Europe, haven't you. I have not been riding.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Uh you'll notice those those those those crazy bike lanes
on a palm stop at Shaw for a reason.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I tell you the one up on Fryan. You'd be
a crazy bicyclist to be between cars going fifty to
seventy one miles an hour at times.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That is a problem we still have to figure out.
Now we do have a like a safe pedestrian path
and bike path away from the road.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeahs, anyhow, that's all nice. Let's go back to this,
to this SEDA, the Southeast Development Area. I read here
Daily Mail UK nine thousand acre housing project forty five
thousand units. Is that means obviously some apartments a song
gonna be forty five Let's get homes.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's not just homes though, it's also going to be commercial.
Like the new way of building master planning communities is
you have homes, multi family, single family, you have park space,
you also have commercial. You have you know, plate work
living until they're doing in Madera right, right, and that's
what we need to do more of here. What it
does theoretically is it reduces your need to use your car. Now,
if you want to use your car, I'm all for that.
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I'm I'm I believe in people.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, I tell you, I love to have a three
to five mile radius of what I need.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It'd be great. It's like a little village. That's kind
of the whole point. It's better for the environment, it's
better for growth and development. And the point is it
keeps our tax dollars here in front of us.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Haven't we kind of been doing that for decades? I mean,
I know, I mean there's shopping areas and places that
were built in the eighties here, you know, smack dab
in the middle of it, right. What's different about this?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think so we haven't had as much coordination among
the different forms of development. It's like we built housing. Theoretically,
after housing, fifteen years later, commercial comes in because there's
a tax space there, which sounds like a long time,
and it is a long time. We don't need to
do it that way anymore. We're gonna do it all
together a once like Fancher Creek that you see. Here's
what I would say. We can put our heads in
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the sand and do nothing, and we have a proven
record of losing jobs, losing wealth, losing tax space to
other areas. And look, Fresno, I'm proud of our city.
It's a great city, but we have a depressed economy.
We pass a balanced budget, but we limit ourselves because
our tax space is not growing. One thing I want
to say when it comes to fiscal responsibility, I, along
with two council members, negotiated a historic agreement with our county.
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So when we get our revenue property tax back from
the state, it's our money coming back home. We had
to share it with the county for SATA as opposed
to it being thirty eight percent City of Fresno sixty
two percent for the county. If we meet certain requirements,
it's fifty to fifty. That's a big deal only for
SADA because they understood the argument and wanted to help
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us incentivize growth to satisfy some of the folks that
raise reasonable concerns. Now, a lot of the folks out there,
for some reason or another, say only build in downtown.
I'm not against growth in downtown, but you cannot put
your eggs in one basket. When you build in downtown.
It is far more expensive to take a piece of
property that maybe has a brownfield, meaning there was pollutants
on that. It could have been crumbling old infrastructure that
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has to be removed. A developer has to pay for that,
and guess who's going to ultimately pay for it, the consumer.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
That's what they mean by infill projects right said infil.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Is not a bad thing, but you have to have
a blend like affordable housing. I'm talking about subsidized housing.
It's not all bad. The problem is we've relied on
it so long that that doesn't produce property tax revenue.
So they're using services and not paying taxes. Now, if
it's to help someone become a taxpayer in the future
as a as a life raft, okay, I'm willing to
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invest some of my tax dollars in that. But again,
we can't put all our eggs in that in that basket.
Those jobs, though, pay a lot of wages, and that's
one of the reasons why they want that. But so
does the private sector stuff too.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
My guests, first City Council President Mike Carbossi, we're talking
about the Southeast Development Era area. See to your former
council member Maxwell like quoting, he said, I think we
have an opportunity to grow responsibly. I heard you use
ord responsibly. What is growing responsibly? What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It means we make conscious decisions to ensure that when
we bring a new community online, we do it in
a way that minimizes the negative impacts of that. So
for example, you know, like you ever lived in an
hoa before?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yes, I have one. Now I'm glad they're there.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah. So basically, there's something called a CFD. If people
ask why does North Fresno or why do these new
developments have all these beautiful sidewalks and streets and maintrice,
Why do they have all this stuff all the time,
it's because there is on your property tax, there's a CFD.
It's like an HOA, but it's managed by the city.
You pay for it, Your money stays in your neighborhood.
They pay for that.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Now, that's why that city sweeper comes by and cleans
the street.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Right, Well, they do it across the board, but they
may get it more often because they're paying for it. Now,
your neighborhood can actually agree to have a retroactive CFD,
but you need like two thirds of the voters to
support it, and it's almost impossible because people say, I
don't want to pay extra money. So that's kind of thelem.
Do you get extra depending on the format of the CFD.
Instead of having maintenance every ninety days on your your
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medians and your jjson sidewalks, it'll be once a month.
You can have more money pay the fund will pay
for repaving your streets more often.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I did not know that there was first class upgrade
here in the city.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The difference has got to pay for it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh yeah, same with first class.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well so anyways, but we have CfDS in Southwest, we
have them in southeast, we have them in northwest and northeast.
We have them in the newer areas.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But you had to have an hoa to have that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's not really an hoa. The way it works is
the reason why they happen with new developments. Initially, there's
one property owner that's the developer. So when there's an election,
you have to elect to go into a CFD. It's
one vote, and they choose to do that. And then
when someone buys their home they understand they're in a CFD.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I wonder, I guess it depends on the valid property
value with that cost each month. It's not a flat rate.
It probably fluctuates.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, it's it can manage by the city for a
very small fee. It depends on Obviously inflation affects it too.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Now, I guess the big fight back heres come from
a lot of environmentalists. Way, that's nothing new to California.
Over the decade, Sacramento new some scenes to have taken
a little tuned to the middle here with expediting past
some of these which we need.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Look, one former mayor of Chicago was talking on some
sh oh recently and he said, look, regardless of what
party you're talking about, we are failing the American people.
The ability to open your home, sorry sorry, own a
home is a staple of the American dream, and it
is so impossible, not just in California, especially in California,
at other places because we've made it so restrictive. We
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are not talking about issues that matter to people, the
ability to own a home where there's good schools, have
park space. So when you're when you're not working so
hard to be able to like a hamster on the wheel,
you want to be able to enjoy your life a
little bit. I don't think there's anything wrong with that,
but it's hard to do that. And so, you know,
they say we need high paying jobs, we need good
quality jobs. You got to start somewhere. Not growing does
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not work because guess what those jobs go to Clovis,
those jobs go to Maderra, those jobs will go to
by Celia, which is kicking butt right now. So we
need to step up, and that's what the city is
doing right now.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Well, if you're talking forty five thousand units, nine thousand acres,
that's a ton of jobs. And I've never built a
house or anything, but my mom and dad just moved
back to Tennessee and they built a port on the
had a porch built on the back of their house.
And I was amazed at all the different workers that
had to come by, the guy doing the electrical stuff,
the you know, the guy that built it and drew
it all up. But putting back into that local economy
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there to those local construction guys. I realized, and I
I started thinking, boy, because I'll drive from North Fresno
to Clovis on the back roads up there, and if
you don't go by in six months, you'll drive by
and go, Wow, there's new house. Where did this just
sprout out of? And it's just amazing the workforces that
come in there and build these places.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It does create jobs. It creates good paying jobs that
the people that you know, so those people can actually
afford to buy those homes. Here's one thing to consider though,
I think that Southeast Fresno deserves the same kind of
quality housing you can get in northwestern northeast Fresno. That's
what this will deliver, and it's not going to happen overnight.
Part of responsible growth is you don't want to have,
you know, uh, patches of development. You have to do
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it within a certain order in certain concentric spheres to
make sure you're growing outward because what you don't want
to do is raise costs to the rate payers and taxpayers.
So that's part of what responsible growth is doing it
in a managed, project based way.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, what's the next step in this, so you know it's.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Going to come back again and we're going to have
to make some decisions. I think right now what the
council is doing. The mayor suggested we revise the plan
to focus on what was called South STA so south
of Jensen that parcel, but being really focused on economic development.
So instead of starting with housing, we want to start
with jobs. I think that's very novel because things like medtech,
which Clovis has been attracting a lot of Why not Fresno.
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Why not look at things that are manufacturing and I'm
not saying they're notts jobs.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Why wohlden you start with housing and start creating jobs?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I would say it's part of chicken in the kind
of a thing. I this defies logic. Let's just do both.
Let's just not wait for one or the other. Let's
if we have investors willing to build the infrastructure and
we have out of have we have local or out
of town companies saying we want to invest in Fresno,
just give us a space, which we've had happen. We
need the space to do that before. They have been
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told no before. But you know who hasn't told them no?
Blobs hasn't because they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, that's why I suddenly admire it suddenly turns into
a couting development.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And I'm not knocking Clovis. I admire what they do.
They they are growing, they and they're they're so sought
after by residents that want to keep that American dream.
But I want them to have that in Fresno too.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, what what what's the ballpark of the let's just
say a single family home. So in this area. The
problem is.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
The average right now is almost half a million dollars,
but when you compare it, which is crazy, and interest
rates aren't too great right now. But the but what
we're looking at is if we can increase supply, and
it's not just single family, it's maybe town homes, smaller
homes for seniors, and of course apartments. The increase in
supply theoretically will reduce the cost and it would make
it more accessible and you wouldn't be just a buyer
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just to sell. I personally would like that. Like it
is easy to build tiny homes, you just got to
you want. You have to have a willing investor to
do that. I think there are people that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Shipping container neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, we have something in my district in northwest Fresno.
It's an affordable housing project. However, it's affordable to taxpayers.
I'll tell you how. Usually these affordable housing projects are
half a million dollars a unit all in with the
land two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a unit.
And the reason is it's modular housing. It is built
off site and assembled like legos, and instead of taking
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two years, less than a year from raw land to
a finished product. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
They show up on a truck and they fold them
out and you can live in it that that night.
If everything the first.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Of it's kind in the city of Fresno, and it
was in northwest Presno.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
All right, well, hey, I want to come back, and
I know the city did a little bit of a
change on the street vendors in the Tower district. We'll
talk more about that. Fresno City Council President Mike Carbossi.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
This is the Trevor Carry Show on the Valley's Power
Talk Bight.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Carbossi here also running for Fresno County Clerk and Recorder.
We'll get to that in just a sec here, but
I this story. I guess the city reconsidering the proposed
ban on sidewalk food vendors in the Tower district. I'm
not hanging out down there. I know you young people do.
What's it like? Is it totally congested or is it
just a few?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's funny. I was thinking about how to respond to this,
and I was gonna say, unfortunately, I'm older now, like
Tower was a fun place when I was younger, but
I just I don't go as regularly. But I'll tell
you what's going on. And this isn't my item. The
two council members in that area are the ones that
are sponsoring this item. I think we've had a lot
of feedback from law enforcement, a lot of feedback from
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the businesses out there that say, hey, look, we have
a business, we have expenses, and part of our income
is being undercut by people that maybe don't have a
license or don't have But we've done a lot to
help those vendors that work really hard get licensed, get compliant,
and make it easy for them to be plugged into
the system to pay their taxes and all those things.
And I never want to knock someone for hard work,
but you have to have some form of order. You
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have to have some form of fairness. And like one
example is if a lot of those restaurants close early
at night, but the bars are open, people are drinking,
you want them to eat food so they can sober
up a little bit. So are there restaurants that are
open late at night in Tower? And that's one of
the issues that came up. By the same time, we
want restaurants to survive, so we can't just allow someone
that doesn't have as much skin in the game to
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undercut their ability to make a profit. So it's kind
of trying to find that balance. My biggest concern is
the law enforcement aspect of it, in the safety aspect
and creating opportunities for people to congregate and unfortunately and
they're drunken stupor argue and fight and cause trouble. And
it's not just the vendors, by the way, we have
restaurants in Tower that can cause that problem too.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So I guess they would leave the alcohol venues and
hopefully not drive drunk and leave the area, but they
leave and they congregate over tacos or food and bully something.
No I'm saying that's been one of the issues that
they've been congregating because that food draws them there, I
would think, so, yeah, yeah, food draws people, especially especially
good food when you got the grubby hunger, when you're
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coming out after your vodka.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right, I think we want to My feeling is this
is they're trying to create good policy. They want a
little bit of everything, but at the same time, they
just want there to be some form of order in fairness.
Oh yeah, it's just hard to find that balance.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Now the city. I know River Park they had that
issue with the food vendors out there. I guess I
need my landlord owns Mom and me as and his
son owns and down in Tower. I need to ask
him about the effect. I think they might close a
little earlier than this pizza place I saw. That's say
he's open pretty late that competes with it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I agree because there's someone that has skin in
the game. They have employees, they have a business on Olive.
I would love to hear what I'd listen to that
show as well.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, so I would guess the city would go who's
paying the most taxes, who's the most important here? Right,
That's what it boils down. I think I think he's
restaurants with food and alcohol and building taxes.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And yeah, I got come from a small business background.
I had a restaurant for a while. It's hard, it's
really hard, and I don't want real chef. No, I
wasn't a chef. I was just a coordinator. I'll put
it back, Okay, I wish I was a chef.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Do you walk around? How's your food? Were you that guy? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
In fact, we still seems like a fun job.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's where I learn how to work hard. The really
cool thing is we still our Yelp reviews and we
still have fei and a half stars. I mean it's
years ago, but the Yelp reviews are still there in it.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Absolutely, I would talk to my customers and get their
feedback because again, just like this job I have now,
it's all about the experience that people have. In this case,
it's the public and making sure we do a good job.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
All right, you're running for Fresno County Clerk and Recorder.
Mister Cuss has an open invite to always come in
here and talk if he wants to. You do. Thank
you for coming in. What grade would you give this
last Prop fifty recall election? Here.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean as far as access for a voters, I
would give it an F and I'll tell you why.
You either get an a AR and F. It's past
failed kind of a thing. And here's the problem. When
you're the registrar of voters, which is the big half
of this job. You're responsible for elections. Now, this was
a special election, I get it, It's still an election,
and this was about our democracy, no matter which way
you want to vote for.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It somewhat rushed, somewhat.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Rushed, sure, but you still have seventy five days. And
this is what you do, you arrange for elections. Here's
my problem. We have fifteen cities in this county that
are incorporated. One third of those cities had not one
in person elections a vote vote center. So if you
wanted to vote, you had to do it by mail.
And I'll tell you rewind that statement. One third one third,
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So Huron, Fowler, Parleier, Mendota, Orange Cove not one. Now
Mendota ended up getting one because their mayor, Victor Martinez,
you know, he he wouldn't tolerate that. So he told
me he called the clerk apparently had a very difficult
conversation with him hung up on him because he wasn't
getting answers excuses, he called Brian Pacheco. Brian Pacheco got
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this thing set up at the library. Within three days,
they had a vote center out there, and Brian Pacheco
and his staff him themselves volunteered at that vote center.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Was it a money or manpower problem? What did the
county say?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
He well, the story changes. So at first it was
we didn't have enough time. Then it was we don't
have enough staffing. But see, when you're an elected official,
it is your freaking job to figure it out. All
you have to do. I spoke to the mayor of
Parleier this morning about this. She said, we didn't have
a vote center. It was really frustrating because I had
voters tell me I will not vote by mail. I
don't have the ability to get out of town to
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cast my ballot, so I'm not going to be able
to vote, and they didn't vote. That to me is
mismanagement causing disenfranchisement of voters. It's unacceptable. It's an access issue,
it's a safety issue.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It is wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So that's the kind of difference I think between the
two of us in our personalities. He's had six years
on the job. I've had six years as a council
member now council president, and it's not getting better. It's
getting worse. And we've talked about other issues, but for me,
this is where I'm sensitive. Being able to vote is
the cornerstone of our democracy. They are trying to force
people to vote absentee. A lot of folks don't want that.
I don't care who you vote for. I don't care
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how you vote in person or by mail. I just
want you to vote. And what's happened in the last
six years on a percentage basis, less people are actually
voting in this county. It's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I think I would have a sudden election playbook ready
like a missile silo, you got to be ready for
launch kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But like in Mendota, right, it took him a couple
of days to get things going. Guess what. Guess where
they held of the votes. I actually voted in Mendoda
in solidarity with them. Guess Guess what where they had
they held the polling place. No, it was the same place.
It was the library where they held it last time.
It's not rocket science, you know, You're not reinventing a wheel.
It's just making an effort and getting off your butt
and calling people saying, hey, I need help, Like I
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have no shame when it comes to serving Like.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
March Brandy Tony work with them last election. They're already cleared.
They know that they're out there. Hey, we need you
out the library on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Or all you got to do. Work with the mayors
we had, they had staff members from Mendoda working there.
But look, here's the thing there. The last thing we
need is a bureaucrat running our elections department. And that's
what's happened. Now, this is the first time there's going
to be an election. We're going to talk about issues.
But your your viewers know, are you more confident in
the way elections work in this county? Are less confident listeners?
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But yeah, listeners, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get to view you.
I'm like, okay, good, yeah. I mean we all know.
We can feel it. It's like the hair of the
back of your neck when it sticks up. You can
feel something isn't right. Your spidery sense there is something wrong.
Ballots are laying around homeless encampments. I think something's wrong.
I think something's wrong when you know at your home
or your neighbor's home, they're getting ballots continually for people
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that moved out, people that are deceased, and it's still happening.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Ladies, dog was voting in LA.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
We talked about that last Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, but this is a stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
This is happening in Presno County. There's a reason why
why Pam Bondy targeted six counties in the entire country.
One of them was Presno County. What does that tell
you you're on a list, you're on I think a reason. Look,
it takes them forever to count votes. The last race
call for Congress was the Duarte Gray race. I know
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it's a close election. We've had close elections in the past.
It never takes them this long to count. This is
a management problem. I know we can do better. You
need someone like I'm the only candidate in this race
that said I promise I pledge one thing every election
we have on election day, every incorporated city is going
to have at least one place to vote in person.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Right, And I've seen the commercial secret state. I think
it's comes from where California. It takes a long time
to vote because we count every it's like this propaganda
thing running to give the reason the excuse of why
it takes so long.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
But that's bull crap. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna call
BS on that because the last clerk, who was really great,
didn't take forever to count votes and we had close elections.
I mean, there's so many that we've talked about the ballots,
the hundreds of ballots and out to people last November
where they weren't qualified to vote. We've talked about the
tie they declared for that waterboard race close to Riverdale
that wasn't a tie. They just they fouled up. Yeah,
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this is problems with the guy doing the job.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
That's the right word. Curing, is that right, ballot curing
where they have to call and make you go track people,
the procrastinators of the people that did it wrong, set
them aside. We're moving ahead with the count right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, that I don't actually think that's that that could
be one issue. I don't think that's the only issue
they're facing of why they take takes them so long.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think as well, you know, when it comes down
to these you got a month and there are one
hundred votes apart these campaigns go out there and they
personally do the ballot curing.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
But we've had that before, We've had close elections before.
Here's the problem. If the deadline is five o'clock on
a Friday, this guy has shown us he's gonna wait.
Even if he can do it sooner, he's just gonna
wait till the end. Because that's what a good bureaucrat does.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, well, give your website there.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Sure it's Mike for Fresno. That's Mike f O Rfresno
dot com and you can learn about the campaign and
walking neighbor, walking door to door. Now I've to go
beyond northwest Fresno, so I'm walking in Clovis and the
people that are really great. They don't know who the
county clerk is, but I'm gonna make sure they get
to meet their future county clerk.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
All right, let's got some more rag nook. Thanks, let's
do it all right.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
This is the Trevor Cherry Show on the Valleys.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Our talk eight story high rise coming in downtown that's
to Chancey Park, City owned parking lot. They said, now
is one step closer to become a vibrant high rise
in downtown presnel right at the end of Fulton Street
cars from Tioga Sequoia, right next to the ballpark. Downtown.
Preesso Partnership said, it's the kind of development any towntown
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would love to see, with housing upstairs, other kinds of
things happening on the ground floor. Now I could hang
with an apartment place. I could hang with somebody being
above me. If I'm like, ah, I need some basil,
All right, let me take the elevator down to the
grocery store. Wouldn't that just be great? Have a dolly
with all my my eight packs of sparkling water kind
(25:26):
of things, right, Yeah, not having to put it in
the trunk, put in the grocery store, have it right there.
The closest I ever came to that with San Jose.
Back in the day, apartments had this sole little row
of stores that you could watch. Over priced, you try
not to go to it too much, but they had
a pizza place, of dry cleaners, an ice cream store,
one of those fancy grocery stores there. Yes, it's very convenient,
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so that idea that sounds good. Eight stories high, one
hundred and sixty units of housing, some o rent at
market price forty percent offered it more affordable rates. It'll
include retail community space, so you're gonna have market price
in low income combo. That'll be a little class struggle
in the hallways. Maybe the oppressed living with the oppressors.
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It's not about race, it's about bank accounts. The project
faced several delays. It was first approved than counciled by
the city in twenty twenty two, but last week new
plans unanimous approval by the city council. Mayor Dyer said
the city He's already laying the groundwork to make projects
like this possible, and he just heard council Member Kerossi
telling about how people don't want to live downtown. They
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want the American dream. No, we don't want our little
fifteen minute cities where if we got to go watch
a movie and we want to get out of town,
we just jump on high speed round and go to
Baker's Health. Now that's not what we want. I wonder
maybe why Mayor Dyer won't call governor make mistakes out
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because he needs his money, needs his infrastructure money. Need
that money two hundred and fifty million plus another forty
three million, The mayor said, Well, Lawson put in water mains,
parking garages, curbed sidewalks, gutters. We'll do the housing. Nobody
wants to live in downtown President Okay, maybe some du
I stated when I first came to town in February
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about ten years ago, in February here it'll be ten years.
I saw some of the downtown lofton apartments, say look
cool online. I was down at that McDonald's at the
end of Blackstone and I drove down from a desk
so to check out for President really for the first
time since nineteen ninety two, and I was on the
cell of my car there. It was raining. I was
at that McDonald's head downtown, gonna look at some of
these places. I saw that dude across the street and
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has looked like a theater actor from the eighteen hundred
and she was ranting and yelling at nobody, and I thought, hmmm, yeah,
there might be a little of that. That was the
point I actually turned around. I didn't even go look further.
And ten years later, I tell you I would I'd
rather sleep in my car in Northeast Resident than live
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and walk around downtown Preussel. The people aren't demanding this,
we're asking why you borrowed one hundred million dollars for potholes?
Well spending what two un fifty plus forty three million
on laying pipe or downtown living? Take care where we're
living right now? First, fix where we live? Fix where
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we live all right, Culver City. They're said they're gonna
meet some housing demands by getting rid of some of
California's laws that they don't have around the country. Never
heard of this, didn't know it existed. But it's about staircases.
They're going to legalize in Culver City the construction of
mid rise apartments with a single staircase. They in uh,
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Culver City, up to six stories can now be built
around the single stairwell. But they're gonna they're gonna take
this even even higher. And the reason that the people
don't want to do this is because of fire. But
they said it's a standard minimum of two staircases connected
by a corridor that you have to have in taller
buildings that are three stories or higher. That's almost in
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every city in the in the country. But some momauld
change it up. They said it gives you more room
and that we should start building this way. They say
it's rare outside of North America. New York City, Seattle, Honolulu, Portland,
they allow single stair buildings up to six stories, so
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Culder Cities the first in California to join this. It
gives them about ten percent more floor space and we'll
see if this allows anything. But they said, architects and
design apartment buildings that wrap around the central staircase, and
it gives you more windows, more light, more air. In
New York City they've allowed single stair buildings up to
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six stories for their entire history. But you think some
of those, you know, those workers and the great fires
trapped at the top of a building, like over one
hundred burned at the top. I don't know fire scapes.
Can we get back to those in today's world though,
you'd have burglars that would get up there and pull
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them down right, and then get up there you'd be
broken into in your fourth story apartment sleeping at night
with your window opening.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Who are you.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
There has to be some way now that it can
be where I don't know. We'll just put a chip
in somebody's hand if they live in the building, and
that will allow the fire escape to go down there.
You go the single stairwell either has to be pressurized
to keep out the smoke or the air in case
of that, and you've got to have top of the
line sprinkler systems. They say, if you have one stairwell,
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because what happens if that if that actually blocks? All right,
So we'll see if that's going to be implemented around
Oh boy, the frest of all Bee has been coming
up with some doozies, haven't they? What about a stop signed?
Do you have to stop? They had one I saw,
I haven't gotten to it yet, but if everybody else
is going over the posted speed limit, can you It's like,
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what are they they thinking? And then they had one
where California residents moving in the US. Are they moving
out of California? Yes, yes they are. People are leaving
and it's the housing issue that's number one for most people.
That is the number one expense of the month, unless
you're betting on pitches under ninety seven miles an hour,
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a ball on the outside corner and the first pitch
of the fourth inning, unless you've got some kind of
bad gambling problem. Normally, mortgage and rent is the big bill,
and that's why people are leaving and city's got to
get this right. You know what, we got an opportunity
right now here in Fresno. You think about it, people,
this b article talking about how they're the cost of
living may play a factor, may may play a factor,
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not at all. They said Generation X between age of
forty five and six year moving from California to Florida.
They said, millennials in Gen Z are going against the
Florida trend. They're leaving California and headed to Texas. See
what Fresdone needs to do right right now. They should
start advertising down in smel Ay and up in the Bay.
(32:21):
For people that do have the desire to go to
Texas or Florida, we can say, hey, move to Fresno.
It's it's kind of Texas without without the humidity.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
This is the Trevor carry Show on The Valley's Power Talk.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Kazakhstan is a major Muslim country. Homosexuality is no longer illegal.
That change in the nineties. But it would mean it's
legal to be gay. But I guess you can't tell
anybody about it, all right. If you say that you're
you're gay, Pelosi will say, shout out, shout out, let's
(32:57):
go listen. To a Supreme Court. Three of them voted
to allow Americans to lie about their sex on their passports.
Supreme Court ruled this was last week. Federal government may
list sex on passports according to sex, not your self
identified gender. Who won Ladies and gentlemen common sense, ruling
(33:20):
with six to three along the usual lines. Let me
guess what did Justice Katanji Jackson say? She said, such
senseless side stepping of the obvious equitable outcome has become
an unfortunate pattern unequitable outcome. You're adode that say you're
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a girl and you want to fly, and you wanted
to say girl on there, but they're saying, now your
passport's gonna be man or woman there, and it has
to be by who you are. You can't have pan
sexual on there. Be on a lookout. Five foot seven,
one hundred and sixty four pounds zero seven guys are
(34:03):
playing hockey in Minnesota for women's teams, and four of
them are skating for the exact same team. How fair
is that four dudes on one women's hockey team. Well,
USA Hockey also allows this as part of their rule system. Yes,
we just don't have the same issue with it here.
I know you weren't up this morning going what's Morning
(34:25):
Press saying on ms n OW, Well, he was saying
Obamacare sucks, right to Jeffries Hockey Jeffreys face.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Well, at what point are we going to sit down
and figure out a systemic approach that actually is sustainable.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Because we're not in it now?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
And again, even with those tax credits, the Obama Care
premiums explode, even worse, private healthcare premiums explode, denials of coverage.
This system, this system is failing American people, and it's
only going to get worse.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
What are we going to do? Good question, Joe to
the minority leader the Democrat Party, Hakim Jeffreys. Remember now,
every Republican voted against Obamacare. Every Democrat did. Democrats wanted
the extension to continue past their own deadline. But remember
Republicans voted against the system that Well you just heard
(35:23):
morning Bret there describe all the issues and problems across America.
What are we going to do about it? Hakim, Well,
you should probably come back and say, well, I think
you've misconstrued that what Democrats voted for has worked. Obamacare
has been there, the American people have been taken care
of We just need to listen to what he says.
(35:43):
He admits it, He admits it. No, not about that, Joe.
We have a broken healthcare system, thansoutely.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Republicans have decided to break it even further. Oh okay, now,
things that go beyond their refusal to extend the Affordable
Care ACTIME credits. In this year alone, what we've seen
is Republicans and Act the largest cut to medicaid in
American history. Fourteen million people are being denied their coverage
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as a result of the fact that they've passed as
one big ugly bill. We see hospitals and nursing homes
and community based health centers closing all across the country.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And why has that happened, Hakeem? Why has that happen?
Why are we in this horrible position that he said, right,
he didn't defend it. Now, no doubt about that, Joe.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
We have a broken healthcare system.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Okay, we have a broken haircall system. Then he said,
Republicans broke it even more. It just admitting admitting it
was broken. Their policies are broken, he admits it. I
wonder what some of the dynamics he's talking about, Like
what Huh.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
So this has been an all out assault on the
healthcare of the American people, and the system was already
broken because of some of the dynamics that you've referenced.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Some of the dynamic mix. Uh morning Bread Heat. Anything
about him, well, Hakeem what what what are some of
those there? Huh. You'd have to tell the truth, wouldn't he.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
This is the Trevor carry Show on the Valley's Power Talk.
President City Council President Mike Carbosis. You enjoyed the eggnog, sir,
you know this, it's the season we had it out
for you.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I will say one thing. You were the only only.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Host of the radio start over your mic.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
What I will say one thing For those folks that
don't know, I'm gonna tell you why, Trippers and gentleman,
he is the only radio host. Every time I come
in here, can't get you anything to drink.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
You know why because I bought that refrigerator at a
yard sale and I love to for people to comment
on it. I have a little five can refrigerator here.
I bought it for five bucks and it functions properly.
That's great I have.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Actually, you're lucky. I just got another one from my
dad because his after two years broke down. So whatever
brand this is.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Aren't those cool in America? You don't have one next year?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ben, I don't know. I have to get my sorry
butt up, go downstairs and get a drink.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's not about it, hey, But and I know you
went through the weight loss period there as well, because
you used to be having weight on you, so you
remember those. I gotta go down the stairs and back
up with my dessert. Sometimes that can be the deciding
factor that you just fell asleep.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Well, you are the city council president of a picturesque
California city, says the Daily Mail UK. We normally don't
have people writing the subways in London reading about Fresno.
Do We not?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Very often wish what we did?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Were you kind of surprised by that article?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think it was surprised that the how incendiary the
press conference was that led to the article and why
that actually got covered.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, back back us up and tell us how Alex
we so that that got well, first us explain the
Southeast Development areas, why you're holding the press conference, give
everybody what that means here.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, So basically, the city council just had a workshop
on what's called the Southeast Development Area. This is something
that was a plan from fifteen years ago when I
think I think Mayor Swerson was in office, maybe before her,
but ironically the former Planning Director Keith Berthold, who's now
opposed to this, was the brainchild of it, as I've
been as the fact seem to suggest, good guy.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
The person that's against it is thought it up.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I don't know. I don't know what's going on. There's
a lot of politics involved. The group consider a post.
So basically, this is how we grow our city. So
for example, in northeast Fresno, we grew out on Copper River.
Northwest Fresno's pretty much grown. We still have our downtown
area or core, we have Blackstone, and then we have
Southwest it's getting a lot of development, and now we
have Southeast, like the Fanschure Creek project just opened up,
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the new huge target. That's actually they went out there.
It's actually pretty cool in and out's out there, Sprouse
is out there, and for folks that live out there,
these are great jobs and services. They can have an
accessible produce and health. We talked about health earlier. So
it's good to grow. But they some of these folks
raise a really good point. We want to make sure
we grow responsibly, that it pays for itself, and we
can have that debate. The problem is some of these folks,
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not all of them. Some of them you talk to,
there's ulterior motives. It doesn't matter what you say. They're
going to say, Oh, you guys are just beholden to developers. No,
we're beholden to the people of this community. They are
tired of rents being so expensive, they are tired of
mortgages costing so much, where the ability to own a
home is almost out of reach for so many people.
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And part of it is people need jobs. Well you're
not going to get that by sitting on your butt.
Doing nothing has led to growth in Madera, led to
growth in Clovis, which benefits their communities and actually hurts
our environment because when you drive to Madera, like you
use our roads during the day in our services, but
you don't pay your taxes here. Your taxes go to
Madera County. And I look not knocking down Madera. I'm
just saying there's nothing smart about doing nothing. And they
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want us to basically not grow the city out and
do nothing. And I think that's that's probably.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
A we need to sprawl in the tax area.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, I don't even know if it's sprawl.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
If we can that's a good word. Well, they turned
it into a bad word to me. That's growth.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, I think growth is good, especially when you're doing
it the right way. But the kind of sprawl we've
had by saying no more growth. People want to buy homes.
They've sprawled into another county and as they drive far away,
if you have a non electric vehicle, you're theoretically polluting
the air. That's not good for our kids. So if
we build within our city, we're better off that way
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because the market will demand what it demands.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
And you've been riding your bike since you guys went
to Europe, haven't you. I have not been riding.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Uh you'll notice those those those those crazy bike lanes
on a palm stop at Shaw for a reason.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
I tell you the one up on Fryan. You'd be
a crazy bicyclist to be between cars going fifty to
seventy one miles an hour at times.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That is a problem we still have to figure out.
Now we do have a like a safe pedestrian path
and bike path away from the road.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeahs, anyhow, that's all nice. Let's go back to this,
to this SEDA, the Southeast Development Area. I read here
Daily Mail UK nine thousand acre housing project forty five
thousand units. Is that means obviously some apartments a song
gonna be forty five Let's get homes.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's not just homes though, it's also going to be commercial.
Like the new way of building master planning communities is
you have homes, multi family, single family, you have park space,
you also have commercial. You have you know, plate work
living until they're doing in Madera right, right, and that's
what we need to do more of here. What it
does theoretically is it reduces your need to use your car. Now,
if you want to use your car, I'm all for that.
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I'm I'm I believe in people.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, I tell you, I love to have a three
to five mile radius of what I need.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It'd be great. It's like a little village. That's kind
of the whole point. It's better for the environment, it's
better for growth and development. And the point is it
keeps our tax dollars here in front of us.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Haven't we kind of been doing that for decades? I mean,
I know, I mean there's shopping areas and places that
were built in the eighties here, you know, smack dab
in the middle of it, right. What's different about this?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think so we haven't had as much coordination among
the different forms of development. It's like we built housing. Theoretically,
after housing, fifteen years later, commercial comes in because there's
a tax space there, which sounds like a long time,
and it is a long time. We don't need to
do it that way anymore. We're gonna do it all
together a once like Fancher Creek that you see. Here's
what I would say. We can put our heads in
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the sand and do nothing, and we have a proven
record of losing jobs, losing wealth, losing tax space to
other areas. And look, Fresno, I'm proud of our city.
It's a great city, but we have a depressed economy.
We pass a balanced budget, but we limit ourselves because
our tax space is not growing. One thing I want
to say when it comes to fiscal responsibility, I, along
with two council members, negotiated a historic agreement with our county.
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So when we get our revenue property tax back from
the state, it's our money coming back home. We had
to share it with the county for SATA as opposed
to it being thirty eight percent City of Fresno sixty
two percent for the county. If we meet certain requirements,
it's fifty to fifty. That's a big deal only for
SADA because they understood the argument and wanted to help
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us incentivize growth to satisfy some of the folks that
raise reasonable concerns. Now, a lot of the folks out there,
for some reason or another, say only build in downtown.
I'm not against growth in downtown, but you cannot put
your eggs in one basket. When you build in downtown.
It is far more expensive to take a piece of
property that maybe has a brownfield, meaning there was pollutants
on that. It could have been crumbling old infrastructure that
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has to be removed. A developer has to pay for that,
and guess who's going to ultimately pay for it, the consumer.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
That's what they mean by infill projects right said infil.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Is not a bad thing, but you have to have
a blend like affordable housing. I'm talking about subsidized housing.
It's not all bad. The problem is we've relied on
it so long that that doesn't produce property tax revenue.
So they're using services and not paying taxes. Now, if
it's to help someone become a taxpayer in the future
as a as a life raft, okay, I'm willing to
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invest some of my tax dollars in that. But again,
we can't put all our eggs in that in that basket.
Those jobs, though, pay a lot of wages, and that's
one of the reasons why they want that. But so
does the private sector stuff too.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
My guests, first City Council President Mike Carbossi, we're talking
about the Southeast Development Era area. See to your former
council member Maxwell like quoting, he said, I think we
have an opportunity to grow responsibly. I heard you use
ord responsibly. What is growing responsibly? What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It means we make conscious decisions to ensure that when
we bring a new community online, we do it in
a way that minimizes the negative impacts of that. So
for example, you know, like you ever lived in an
hoa before?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yes, I have one. Now I'm glad they're there.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah. So basically, there's something called a CFD. If people
ask why does North Fresno or why do these new
developments have all these beautiful sidewalks and streets and maintrice,
Why do they have all this stuff all the time,
it's because there is on your property tax, there's a CFD.
It's like an HOA, but it's managed by the city.
You pay for it, Your money stays in your neighborhood.
They pay for that.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Now, that's why that city sweeper comes by and cleans
the street.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Right, Well, they do it across the board, but they
may get it more often because they're paying for it. Now,
your neighborhood can actually agree to have a retroactive CFD,
but you need like two thirds of the voters to
support it, and it's almost impossible because people say, I
don't want to pay extra money. So that's kind of thelem.
Do you get extra depending on the format of the CFD.
Instead of having maintenance every ninety days on your your
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medians and your jjson sidewalks, it'll be once a month.
You can have more money pay the fund will pay
for repaving your streets more often.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I did not know that there was first class upgrade
here in the city.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The difference has got to pay for it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Oh yeah, same with first class.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well so anyways, but we have CfDS in Southwest, we
have them in southeast, we have them in northwest and northeast.
We have them in the newer areas.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
But you had to have an hoa to have that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
It's not really an hoa. The way it works is
the reason why they happen with new developments. Initially, there's
one property owner that's the developer. So when there's an election,
you have to elect to go into a CFD. It's
one vote, and they choose to do that. And then
when someone buys their home they understand they're in a CFD.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I wonder, I guess it depends on the valid property
value with that cost each month. It's not a flat rate.
It probably fluctuates.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, it's it can manage by the city for a
very small fee. It depends on Obviously inflation affects it too.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Now, I guess the big fight back heres come from
a lot of environmentalists. Way, that's nothing new to California.
Over the decade, Sacramento new some scenes to have taken
a little tuned to the middle here with expediting past
some of these which we need.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Look, one former mayor of Chicago was talking on some
sh oh recently and he said, look, regardless of what
party you're talking about, we are failing the American people.
The ability to open your home, sorry sorry, own a
home is a staple of the American dream, and it
is so impossible, not just in California, especially in California,
at other places because we've made it so restrictive. We
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are not talking about issues that matter to people, the
ability to own a home where there's good schools, have
park space. So when you're when you're not working so
hard to be able to like a hamster on the wheel,
you want to be able to enjoy your life a
little bit. I don't think there's anything wrong with that,
but it's hard to do that. And so, you know,
they say we need high paying jobs, we need good
quality jobs. You got to start somewhere. Not growing does
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not work because guess what those jobs go to Clovis,
those jobs go to Maderra, those jobs will go to
by Celia, which is kicking butt right now. So we
need to step up, and that's what the city is
doing right now.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Well, if you're talking forty five thousand units, nine thousand acres,
that's a ton of jobs. And I've never built a
house or anything, but my mom and dad just moved
back to Tennessee and they built a port on the
had a porch built on the back of their house.
And I was amazed at all the different workers that
had to come by, the guy doing the electrical stuff,
the you know, the guy that built it and drew
it all up. But putting back into that local economy
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there to those local construction guys. I realized, and I
I started thinking, boy, because I'll drive from North Fresno
to Clovis on the back roads up there, and if
you don't go by in six months, you'll drive by
and go, Wow, there's new house. Where did this just
sprout out of? And it's just amazing the workforces that
come in there and build these places.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It does create jobs. It creates good paying jobs that
the people that you know, so those people can actually
afford to buy those homes. Here's one thing to consider though,
I think that Southeast Fresno deserves the same kind of
quality housing you can get in northwestern northeast Fresno. That's
what this will deliver, and it's not going to happen overnight.
Part of responsible growth is you don't want to have,
you know, uh, patches of development. You have to do
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it within a certain order in certain concentric spheres to
make sure you're growing outward because what you don't want
to do is raise costs to the rate payers and taxpayers.
So that's part of what responsible growth is doing it
in a managed, project based way.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, what's the next step in this, so you know it's.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Going to come back again and we're going to have
to make some decisions. I think right now what the
council is doing. The mayor suggested we revise the plan
to focus on what was called South STA so south
of Jensen that parcel, but being really focused on economic development.
So instead of starting with housing, we want to start
with jobs. I think that's very novel because things like medtech,
which Clovis has been attracting a lot of Why not Fresno.
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Why not look at things that are manufacturing and I'm
not saying they're notts jobs.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Why wohlden you start with housing and start creating jobs?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I would say it's part of chicken in the kind
of a thing. I this defies logic. Let's just do both.
Let's just not wait for one or the other. Let's
if we have investors willing to build the infrastructure and
we have out of have we have local or out
of town companies saying we want to invest in Fresno,
just give us a space, which we've had happen. We
need the space to do that before. They have been
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told no before. But you know who hasn't told them no?
Blobs hasn't because they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, that's why I suddenly admire it suddenly turns into
a couting development.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
And I'm not knocking Clovis. I admire what they do.
They they are growing, they and they're they're so sought
after by residents that want to keep that American dream.
But I want them to have that in Fresno too.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Well, what what what's the ballpark of the let's just
say a single family home. So in this area. The
problem is.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
The average right now is almost half a million dollars,
but when you compare it, which is crazy, and interest
rates aren't too great right now. But the but what
we're looking at is if we can increase supply, and
it's not just single family, it's maybe town homes, smaller
homes for seniors, and of course apartments. The increase in
supply theoretically will reduce the cost and it would make
it more accessible and you wouldn't be just a buyer
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just to sell. I personally would like that. Like it
is easy to build tiny homes, you just got to
you want. You have to have a willing investor to
do that. I think there are people that.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Shipping container neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, we have something in my district in northwest Fresno.
It's an affordable housing project. However, it's affordable to taxpayers.
I'll tell you how. Usually these affordable housing projects are
half a million dollars a unit all in with the
land two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a unit.
And the reason is it's modular housing. It is built
off site and assembled like legos, and instead of taking
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two years, less than a year from raw land to
a finished product. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
They show up on a truck and they fold them
out and you can live in it that that night.
If everything the first.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Of it's kind in the city of Fresno, and it
was in northwest Presno.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
All right, well, hey, I want to come back, and
I know the city did a little bit of a
change on the street vendors in the Tower district. We'll
talk more about that. Fresno City Council President Mike Carbossi.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
This is the Trevor Carry Show on the Valley's Power
Talk Bight.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Carbossi here also running for Fresno County Clerk and Recorder.
We'll get to that in just a sec here, but
I this story. I guess the city reconsidering the proposed
ban on sidewalk food vendors in the Tower district. I'm
not hanging out down there. I know you young people do.
What's it like? Is it totally congested or is it
just a few?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's funny. I was thinking about how to respond to this,
and I was gonna say, unfortunately, I'm older now, like
Tower was a fun place when I was younger, but
I just I don't go as regularly. But I'll tell
you what's going on. And this isn't my item. The
two council members in that area are the ones that
are sponsoring this item. I think we've had a lot
of feedback from law enforcement, a lot of feedback from
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the businesses out there that say, hey, look, we have
a business, we have expenses, and part of our income
is being undercut by people that maybe don't have a
license or don't have But we've done a lot to
help those vendors that work really hard get licensed, get compliant,
and make it easy for them to be plugged into
the system to pay their taxes and all those things.
And I never want to knock someone for hard work,
but you have to have some form of order. You
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have to have some form of fairness. And like one
example is if a lot of those restaurants close early
at night, but the bars are open, people are drinking,
you want them to eat food so they can sober
up a little bit. So are there restaurants that are
open late at night in Tower? And that's one of
the issues that came up. By the same time, we
want restaurants to survive, so we can't just allow someone
that doesn't have as much skin in the game to
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undercut their ability to make a profit. So it's kind
of trying to find that balance. My biggest concern is
the law enforcement aspect of it, in the safety aspect
and creating opportunities for people to congregate and unfortunately and
they're drunken stupor argue and fight and cause trouble. And
it's not just the vendors, by the way, we have
restaurants in Tower that can cause that problem too.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So I guess they would leave the alcohol venues and
hopefully not drive drunk and leave the area, but they
leave and they congregate over tacos or food and bully something.
No I'm saying that's been one of the issues that
they've been congregating because that food draws them there, I
would think, so, yeah, yeah, food draws people, especially especially
good food when you got the grubby hunger, when you're
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coming out after your vodka.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right, I think we want to My feeling is this
is they're trying to create good policy. They want a
little bit of everything, but at the same time, they
just want there to be some form of order in fairness.
Oh yeah, it's just hard to find that balance.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Now the city. I know River Park they had that
issue with the food vendors out there. I guess I
need my landlord owns Mom and me as and his
son owns and down in Tower. I need to ask
him about the effect. I think they might close a
little earlier than this pizza place I saw. That's say
he's open pretty late that competes with it.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I agree because there's someone that has skin in
the game. They have employees, they have a business on Olive.
I would love to hear what I'd listen to that
show as well.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, so I would guess the city would go who's
paying the most taxes, who's the most important here? Right,
That's what it boils down. I think I think he's
restaurants with food and alcohol and building taxes.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And yeah, I got come from a small business background.
I had a restaurant for a while. It's hard, it's
really hard, and I don't want real chef. No, I
wasn't a chef. I was just a coordinator. I'll put
it back, Okay, I wish I was a chef.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Do you walk around? How's your food? Were you that guy? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
In fact, we still seems like a fun job.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's where I learn how to work hard. The really
cool thing is we still our Yelp reviews and we
still have fei and a half stars. I mean it's
years ago, but the Yelp reviews are still there in it.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Absolutely, I would talk to my customers and get their
feedback because again, just like this job I have now,
it's all about the experience that people have. In this case,
it's the public and making sure we do a good job.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
All right, you're running for Fresno County Clerk and Recorder.
Mister Cuss has an open invite to always come in
here and talk if he wants to. You do. Thank
you for coming in. What grade would you give this
last Prop fifty recall election? Here.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I mean as far as access for a voters, I
would give it an F and I'll tell you why.
You either get an a AR and F. It's past
failed kind of a thing. And here's the problem. When
you're the registrar of voters, which is the big half
of this job. You're responsible for elections. Now, this was
a special election, I get it, It's still an election,
and this was about our democracy, no matter which way
you want to vote for.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It somewhat rushed, somewhat.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Rushed, sure, but you still have seventy five days. And
this is what you do, you arrange for elections. Here's
my problem. We have fifteen cities in this county that
are incorporated. One third of those cities had not one
in person elections a vote vote center. So if you
wanted to vote, you had to do it by mail.
And I'll tell you rewind that statement. One third one third,
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So Huron, Fowler, Parleier, Mendota, Orange Cove not one. Now
Mendota ended up getting one because their mayor, Victor Martinez,
you know, he he wouldn't tolerate that. So he told
me he called the clerk apparently had a very difficult
conversation with him hung up on him because he wasn't
getting answers excuses, he called Brian Pacheco. Brian Pacheco got
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this thing set up at the library. Within three days,
they had a vote center out there, and Brian Pacheco
and his staff him themselves volunteered at that vote center.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Was it a money or manpower problem? What did the
county say?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
He well, the story changes. So at first it was
we didn't have enough time. Then it was we don't
have enough staffing. But see, when you're an elected official,
it is your freaking job to figure it out. All
you have to do. I spoke to the mayor of
Parleier this morning about this. She said, we didn't have
a vote center. It was really frustrating because I had
voters tell me I will not vote by mail. I
don't have the ability to get out of town to
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cast my ballot, so I'm not going to be able
to vote, and they didn't vote. That to me is
mismanagement causing disenfranchisement of voters. It's unacceptable. It's an access issue,
it's a safety issue.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It is wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So that's the kind of difference I think between the
two of us in our personalities. He's had six years
on the job. I've had six years as a council
member now council president, and it's not getting better. It's
getting worse. And we've talked about other issues, but for me,
this is where I'm sensitive. Being able to vote is
the cornerstone of our democracy. They are trying to force
people to vote absentee. A lot of folks don't want that.
I don't care who you vote for. I don't care
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how you vote in person or by mail. I just
want you to vote. And what's happened in the last
six years on a percentage basis, less people are actually
voting in this county. It's unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I think I would have a sudden election playbook ready
like a missile silo, you got to be ready for
launch kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But like in Mendota, right, it took him a couple
of days to get things going. Guess what. Guess where
they held of the votes. I actually voted in Mendoda
in solidarity with them. Guess Guess what where they had
they held the polling place. No, it was the same place.
It was the library where they held it last time.
It's not rocket science, you know, You're not reinventing a wheel.
It's just making an effort and getting off your butt
and calling people saying, hey, I need help, Like I
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have no shame when it comes to serving Like.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
March Brandy Tony work with them last election. They're already cleared.
They know that they're out there. Hey, we need you
out the library on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Or all you got to do. Work with the mayors
we had, they had staff members from Mendoda working there.
But look, here's the thing there. The last thing we
need is a bureaucrat running our elections department. And that's
what's happened. Now, this is the first time there's going
to be an election. We're going to talk about issues.
But your your viewers know, are you more confident in
the way elections work in this county? Are less confident listeners?
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But yeah, listeners, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get to view you.
I'm like, okay, good, yeah. I mean we all know.
We can feel it. It's like the hair of the
back of your neck when it sticks up. You can
feel something isn't right. Your spidery sense there is something wrong.
Ballots are laying around homeless encampments. I think something's wrong.
I think something's wrong when you know at your home
or your neighbor's home, they're getting ballots continually for people
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that moved out, people that are deceased, and it's still happening.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Ladies, dog was voting in LA.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
We talked about that last Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, but this is a stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
This is happening in Presno County. There's a reason why
why Pam Bondy targeted six counties in the entire country.
One of them was Presno County. What does that tell
you you're on a list, you're on I think a reason. Look,
it takes them forever to count votes. The last race
call for Congress was the Duarte Gray race. I know
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it's a close election. We've had close elections in the past.
It never takes them this long to count. This is
a management problem. I know we can do better. You
need someone like I'm the only candidate in this race
that said I promise I pledge one thing every election
we have on election day, every incorporated city is going
to have at least one place to vote in person.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Right, And I've seen the commercial secret state. I think
it's comes from where California. It takes a long time
to vote because we count every it's like this propaganda
thing running to give the reason the excuse of why
it takes so long.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
But that's bull crap. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna call
BS on that because the last clerk, who was really great,
didn't take forever to count votes and we had close elections.
I mean, there's so many that we've talked about the ballots,
the hundreds of ballots and out to people last November
where they weren't qualified to vote. We've talked about the
tie they declared for that waterboard race close to Riverdale
that wasn't a tie. They just they fouled up. Yeah,
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this is problems with the guy doing the job.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
That's the right word. Curing, is that right, ballot curing
where they have to call and make you go track people,
the procrastinators of the people that did it wrong, set
them aside. We're moving ahead with the count right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Well, that I don't actually think that's that that could
be one issue. I don't think that's the only issue
they're facing of why they take takes them so long.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think as well, you know, when it comes down
to these you got a month and there are one
hundred votes apart these campaigns go out there and they
personally do the ballot curing.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
But we've had that before, We've had close elections before.
Here's the problem. If the deadline is five o'clock on
a Friday, this guy has shown us he's gonna wait.
Even if he can do it sooner, he's just gonna
wait till the end. Because that's what a good bureaucrat does.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, well, give your website there.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Sure it's Mike for Fresno. That's Mike f O Rfresno
dot com and you can learn about the campaign and
walking neighbor, walking door to door. Now I've to go
beyond northwest Fresno, so I'm walking in Clovis and the
people that are really great. They don't know who the
county clerk is, but I'm gonna make sure they get
to meet their future county clerk.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
All right, let's got some more rag nook. Thanks, let's
do it all right.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
This is the Trevor Cherry Show on the Valleys.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Our talk eight story high rise coming in downtown that's
to Chancey Park, City owned parking lot. They said, now
is one step closer to become a vibrant high rise
in downtown presnel right at the end of Fulton Street
cars from Tioga Sequoia, right next to the ballpark. Downtown.
Preesso Partnership said, it's the kind of development any towntown
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would love to see, with housing upstairs, other kinds of
things happening on the ground floor. Now I could hang
with an apartment place. I could hang with somebody being
above me. If I'm like, ah, I need some basil,
All right, let me take the elevator down to the
grocery store. Wouldn't that just be great? Have a dolly
with all my my eight packs of sparkling water kind
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of things, right, Yeah, not having to put it in
the trunk, put in the grocery store, have it right there.
The closest I ever came to that with San Jose.
Back in the day, apartments had this sole little row
of stores that you could watch. Over priced, you try
not to go to it too much, but they had
a pizza place, of dry cleaners, an ice cream store,
one of those fancy grocery stores there. Yes, it's very convenient,
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so that idea that sounds good. Eight stories high, one
hundred and sixty units of housing, some o rent at
market price forty percent offered it more affordable rates. It'll
include retail community space, so you're gonna have market price
in low income combo. That'll be a little class struggle
in the hallways. Maybe the oppressed living with the oppressors.
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It's not about race, it's about bank accounts. The project
faced several delays. It was first approved than counciled by
the city in twenty twenty two, but last week new
plans unanimous approval by the city council. Mayor Dyer said
the city He's already laying the groundwork to make projects
like this possible, and he just heard council Member Kerossi
telling about how people don't want to live downtown. They
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want the American dream. No, we don't want our little
fifteen minute cities where if we got to go watch
a movie and we want to get out of town,
we just jump on high speed round and go to
Baker's Health. Now that's not what we want. I wonder
maybe why Mayor Dyer won't call governor make mistakes out
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because he needs his money, needs his infrastructure money. Need
that money two hundred and fifty million plus another forty
three million, The mayor said, Well, Lawson put in water mains,
parking garages, curbed sidewalks, gutters. We'll do the housing. Nobody
wants to live in downtown President Okay, maybe some du
I stated when I first came to town in February
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about ten years ago, in February here it'll be ten years.
I saw some of the downtown lofton apartments, say look
cool online. I was down at that McDonald's at the
end of Blackstone and I drove down from a desk
so to check out for President really for the first
time since nineteen ninety two, and I was on the
cell of my car there. It was raining. I was
at that McDonald's head downtown, gonna look at some of
these places. I saw that dude across the street and
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has looked like a theater actor from the eighteen hundred
and she was ranting and yelling at nobody, and I thought, hmmm, yeah,
there might be a little of that. That was the
point I actually turned around. I didn't even go look further.
And ten years later, I tell you I would I'd
rather sleep in my car in Northeast Resident than live
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and walk around downtown Preussel. The people aren't demanding this,
we're asking why you borrowed one hundred million dollars for potholes?
Well spending what two un fifty plus forty three million
on laying pipe or downtown living? Take care where we're
living right now? First, fix where we live? Fix where
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we live all right, Culver City. They're said they're gonna
meet some housing demands by getting rid of some of
California's laws that they don't have around the country. Never
heard of this, didn't know it existed. But it's about staircases.
They're going to legalize in Culver City the construction of
mid rise apartments with a single staircase. They in uh,
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Culver City, up to six stories can now be built
around the single stairwell. But they're gonna they're gonna take
this even even higher. And the reason that the people
don't want to do this is because of fire. But
they said it's a standard minimum of two staircases connected
by a corridor that you have to have in taller
buildings that are three stories or higher. That's almost in
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every city in the in the country. But some momauld
change it up. They said it gives you more room
and that we should start building this way. They say
it's rare outside of North America. New York City, Seattle, Honolulu, Portland,
they allow single stair buildings up to six stories, so
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Culder Cities the first in California to join this. It
gives them about ten percent more floor space and we'll
see if this allows anything. But they said, architects and
design apartment buildings that wrap around the central staircase, and
it gives you more windows, more light, more air. In
New York City they've allowed single stair buildings up to
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six stories for their entire history. But you think some
of those, you know, those workers and the great fires
trapped at the top of a building, like over one
hundred burned at the top. I don't know fire scapes.
Can we get back to those in today's world though,
you'd have burglars that would get up there and pull
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them down right, and then get up there you'd be
broken into in your fourth story apartment sleeping at night
with your window opening.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Who are you.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
There has to be some way now that it can
be where I don't know. We'll just put a chip
in somebody's hand if they live in the building, and
that will allow the fire escape to go down there.
You go the single stairwell either has to be pressurized
to keep out the smoke or the air in case
of that, and you've got to have top of the
line sprinkler systems. They say, if you have one stairwell,
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because what happens if that if that actually blocks? All right,
So we'll see if that's going to be implemented around
Oh boy, the frest of all Bee has been coming
up with some doozies, haven't they? What about a stop signed?
Do you have to stop? They had one I saw,
I haven't gotten to it yet, but if everybody else
is going over the posted speed limit, can you It's like,
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what are they they thinking? And then they had one
where California residents moving in the US. Are they moving
out of California? Yes, yes they are. People are leaving
and it's the housing issue that's number one for most people.
That is the number one expense of the month, unless
you're betting on pitches under ninety seven miles an hour,
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a ball on the outside corner and the first pitch
of the fourth inning, unless you've got some kind of
bad gambling problem. Normally, mortgage and rent is the big bill,
and that's why people are leaving and city's got to
get this right. You know what, we got an opportunity
right now here in Fresno. You think about it, people,
this b article talking about how they're the cost of
living may play a factor, may may play a factor,
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not at all. They said Generation X between age of
forty five and six year moving from California to Florida.
They said, millennials in Gen Z are going against the
Florida trend. They're leaving California and headed to Texas. See
what Fresdone needs to do right right now. They should
start advertising down in smel Ay and up in the Bay.
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For people that do have the desire to go to
Texas or Florida, we can say, hey, move to Fresno.
It's it's kind of Texas without without the humidity.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
This is the Trevor carry Show on The Valley's Power Talk.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Kazakhstan is a major Muslim country. Homosexuality is no longer illegal.
That change in the nineties. But it would mean it's
legal to be gay. But I guess you can't tell
anybody about it, all right. If you say that you're
you're gay, Pelosi will say, shout out, shout out, let's
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go listen. To a Supreme Court. Three of them voted
to allow Americans to lie about their sex on their passports.
Supreme Court ruled this was last week. Federal government may
list sex on passports according to sex, not your self
identified gender. Who won Ladies and gentlemen common sense, ruling
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with six to three along the usual lines. Let me
guess what did Justice Katanji Jackson say? She said, such
senseless side stepping of the obvious equitable outcome has become
an unfortunate pattern unequitable outcome. You're adode that say you're
(33:40):
a girl and you want to fly, and you wanted
to say girl on there, but they're saying, now your
passport's gonna be man or woman there, and it has
to be by who you are. You can't have pan
sexual on there. Be on a lookout. Five foot seven,
one hundred and sixty four pounds zero seven guys are
(34:03):
playing hockey in Minnesota for women's teams, and four of
them are skating for the exact same team. How fair
is that four dudes on one women's hockey team. Well,
USA Hockey also allows this as part of their rule system. Yes,
we just don't have the same issue with it here.
I know you weren't up this morning going what's Morning
(34:25):
Press saying on ms n OW, Well, he was saying
Obamacare sucks, right to Jeffries Hockey Jeffreys face.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Well, at what point are we going to sit down
and figure out a systemic approach that actually is sustainable.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Because we're not in it now?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
And again, even with those tax credits, the Obama Care
premiums explode, even worse, private healthcare premiums explode, denials of coverage.
This system, this system is failing American people, and it's
only going to get worse.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
What are we going to do? Good question, Joe to
the minority leader the Democrat Party, Hakim Jeffreys. Remember now,
every Republican voted against Obamacare. Every Democrat did. Democrats wanted
the extension to continue past their own deadline. But remember
Republicans voted against the system that Well you just heard
(35:23):
morning Bret there describe all the issues and problems across America.
What are we going to do about it? Hakim, Well,
you should probably come back and say, well, I think
you've misconstrued that what Democrats voted for has worked. Obamacare
has been there, the American people have been taken care
of We just need to listen to what he says.
(35:43):
He admits it, He admits it. No, not about that, Joe.
We have a broken healthcare system, thansoutely.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Republicans have decided to break it even further. Oh okay, now,
things that go beyond their refusal to extend the Affordable
Care ACTIME credits. In this year alone, what we've seen
is Republicans and Act the largest cut to medicaid in
American history. Fourteen million people are being denied their coverage
(36:11):
as a result of the fact that they've passed as
one big ugly bill. We see hospitals and nursing homes
and community based health centers closing all across the country.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And why has that happened, Hakeem? Why has that happen?
Why are we in this horrible position that he said, right,
he didn't defend it. Now, no doubt about that, Joe.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
We have a broken healthcare system.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Okay, we have a broken haircall system. Then he said,
Republicans broke it even more. It just admitting admitting it
was broken. Their policies are broken, he admits it. I
wonder what some of the dynamics he's talking about, Like
what Huh.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
So this has been an all out assault on the
healthcare of the American people, and the system was already
broken because of some of the dynamics that you've referenced.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Some of the dynamic mix. Uh morning Bread Heat. Anything
about him, well, Hakeem what what what are some of
those there? Huh. You'd have to tell the truth, wouldn't he.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
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