Dan asks listeners whether they side with Tom Homan, wanting to target only criminal illegal aliens committing violent felonies for deportations, or with Kristi Noem - who wants deport anyone and everyone who is in the United States illegally.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
There's a big division within ICE over what is the
American way, with Tom Homan on one side saying, hey,
we need to be deporting criminally legals and final deportation
orders and Christy Noman on the other side saying we've
got to deport everybody hearing legally, and according to Fox
if this is accurate, many many top heads within ICE
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are rolling as we speak and people being replaced over
this battle. Now it's not completely clear to me from
the reporting which side one, but it appears, it appears,
according to this Fox News report, as if the Christy
Nome side has won and that there are going to
be and already have been many firings of major ICE
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officials state by date who were not enthusiastically behind deporting everybody.
That is the Fox News reporting. It's not being reported
by any other outlet at this point, but that's the
reporting that's out there. So just asking which of those
camps you would fall into. Some Texters say somewhere in
the middle. Will continue to go through those texts, you
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can text us d A N five seven seven three nine,
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move through dan Uh, there's no prediction that Hurricane Melissa
will come to America at the moment. That is quite
a blessing. Amen to that. Feel so bad for the
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folks in Jamaica. We you know, my whole life a
short story, my mom and dad. They work so hard
their whole lives, and they my mom and of Vezima.
So then my dad retired from the police force after
thirty years. They moved down to this beautiful spot in
Fort Myers, Florida, and so we all spend so much
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time there, and the kids grew up there, and we
love it so much. We bought a little condo down there,
and they're sit there watching TV. One night, Hurricane Ian
our neighborhood which is about as big as this radio
studio the eye of that hurricane. So believe me, I'm
I'm very grateful we're not in this hurricane and feel
so bad for those who are. Dan. Every one of
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the illegal immigrants has been given the opportunity to self deport,
They've had their chance to leave, and so that person supports,
obviously Christinome to port everybody. Dan. Capitalists often Republicans need
cheap labor, Democrats needed votes. That's l immigration weakness, no texture.
It's led to both parties implicitly inviting people into this
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country legally before Donald Trump was elected. And that's what
this nation did for the very reasons that you articulate
now after twenty sixteen, everybody was unnoticed until Biden then won.
And you've got another wrinkle because then Biden and the
left decided not to vet people and brought all of
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these millions and millions in without being vetted. So how
do you deal with that?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I agree with Ryan. By the way, I saw another
article I believe earlier today. Both parties because no backbone
and cheap labor. Yeah, no, no doubt. But that's the point.
Does it matter to your view of this that both
parties invited people to come here illegally before twenty sixty
and Trump was the one who then changed course, Dan
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to port all of them even if they've been here
for twenty years or more. Dan, peanut butter isn't bad. Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (04:10):
Can you eat plain yogurt because that's what I'm told
you're supposed to eat?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Is that right? It's not great. This is like the
second little tub of yogurt I've ever eaten. Man, my expertise. Well, ever,
like when you were a kid, he didn't have no, no, no, wow, man,
I don't think we ever heard of yogurt. That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah yeah, okay, you didn't have Dan and fruit on
the bottom.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
No fruit, Dan, you're Dan Dan.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
No, No, we didn't have any of that. Oh wow.
We had the greatest childhood ever. We had my mom's
homemade powdered sugar donuts. And you know he turned out
all right, Dan and Fruit. I would not trade my
parents or the way I grew up for anything. I
tell everybody when i'm people are kind enough to offer
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to have me speak somewhere, just grow up, and I say, hey,
I grew up in the wealthiest family in Chicago, which
is true if you define wealth the right way. Dan.
My wife was born here, but she has family members
that have taken the time to become US citizens. Others
should not be allowed to sneak in.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Tom Omen has said consistently that while they are targeting
violent criminal illegals, he is not at all deposed to
deporting any illegal and I agree with the texture I've
heard tom Holmans say that. But according to the Fox
reporting today, he's on the one camp saying just the
criminal illegals and the deportation orders, and Christy Nomes saying
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to port them all.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
The other thing.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I'll point to, Dan, And this has actually surprised me
because while I'm in that camp with fabricatory and Christy
Nome and you said, Lewandowski, I was of the feeling
that might be a slight minority opinion that to deport
them all, but dan consistent polling is shown CBS and
otherwise that the majority of American it's in the fifties,
but maybe around sixty or so favored all illegal You
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are absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Correct, and you can be sure that number is even higher.
Probably Okay, well even then, because there are a lot
of people who probably feel that way but wouldn't feel
right seeing it to a pholster. There you go. Yeah, yeah.
All I'm saying is I think it is absolutely barbaric
and unforgivable that this nation hasn't used every available resource
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to immediately and without haste, track down, round up, and
deport every criminal illegal immoral of our country not to
do that. Any self respecting, self protecting country would have
been doing that for the last twenty years. At the
same time, I don't believe that as Americans, we want
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to have our government out there rounding up You know,
a mom who has lived here for twenty or twenty
five years, peacefully, without violating any laws and while being
a productive, productive member of society. I don't think that's
what Americans in their heart truly want. Maybe I'm wrong,
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but I don't want that. I don't want our government
out actively seeking and finding and rounding up and deporting
women who've lived here for twenty or twenty five years
and haven't violated any other law. Am I wrong? I
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think the majority of people in America would say I'm wrong,
and I would understand their argument, and I wouldn't call
them a moral I wouldn't call them any bad names.
I would understand their logic.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I do think there is a difference now, Ryan. One thing,
when it comes to anybody who entered after twenty sixteen.
It was clear the day Donald Trump took office that
he wanted that borders in America elected him to close
that border. I think that you can apply a different
criteria to anyone who entered after twenty sixteen. I think
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you have to apply a different criteria to anybody who
entered under Biden, because then they were not vetting, they
were actively recruiting people to come here. They just wanted numbers.
They wanted numbers for political reasons, and they knowingly allowed
in lots and lots of criminals. So I think you've
got to look at different time periods differently if you're
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going to be truly as as logical and as moral
and as thoughtful as possible while still protecting this nation
and fulfilling that obligation.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It is a balancing, actually right. And I understand the
desperation of people who want to come here for a
better life and are escaping tyranny, and it might be
fearing for their lives. I take all of that very seriously.
But I also take the laws of this country very seriously.
There are those who have come to this country under
very difficult circumstances, but they have done it the right
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way because they want to be Americans, and they want
to live our life, and they want to contribute to
our way of life and our society.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And I want those immigrants here, I really do well,
and there is in my mind there is no flaw
in that logic. I don't I don't see a moral
flaw in that approach. I'm just telling you the approach
I would take in why and it's it's more complicated
because I do think you have to treat different groups differently,
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including based on when they came here. Josh and Wheatridge
are on the Dan Kaplis Show. There are some common
denominators any criminal illegals, we should be doing even more
to round them up and get them out.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yeah, Josh, Hey, Dan.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Yeah, No, I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
With you and Ryan, how's that possible?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm right, I know exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
You know, I think I'm I think I'm more in
the Tom Holman camp. I think I should be focusing
on criminal like people that have entered the country illegally
and then committed criminal acts. And I just think with
the amount of immigration that there's been and just with
general crime statistics, I think ICE has a very full
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caseload with that. Now, if they're able to get through
that caseload, then one hundred percent start going after, you know,
people that having committed criminal acts other than entering the
country illegally.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. And one of the challenges Jay, thanks, Josh, thanks
to the call. One of the challenges for ICE is
because the Mike Johnston's and Jared Poulis's of the world
won't let ICE into jails, won't let ICE into jails.
ICE doesn't have that ready access, you know, to criminally legals,
and so what ICE has to do then is go
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out and try to track down the criminally legals house
by house and business by business, and then ICE is
running into a lot of people are here illegally, but
if not committed crimes. So that's one of the challenges
for ICE. Right now you're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Should still should I go? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
That's I'm Tyler Good Fox supporting a big, big battle
within ICE. Tom Homan on one side, Christi Nome on
the other. Homan wants to deport criminal illegals and final
deportation orders. Christy Nome wants to deport everybody here illegally,
lots of people being fired. According to Fox, Christi nomes
side has won, so top people in a bunch of
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states being replaced with those who are now willing to
just deport everybody. So getting your take on this, which
side you would be on? Text and fuego as are
the phone lines, so we will go to both. Hey,
public service announcement here. Uh, don't watch the movie A
House of Dynamite. Have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Ryan?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
No, It's on Netflix. I have never hated a movie
more in my life. Flow and I just have to
urge you in the strongest possible terms not to spend
a minute on it, because if you spend a minute
on it. You'll spend an hour and a half or
two hours on it, as I did, and you will
end very, very angry. So let me give a quick
(12:17):
spoiler alert so I can explain a lot truly, and
don't go away from the show for long if you
intend to watch it. I don't want to ruin the
end for you. But I've never been more angry at
the end of a movie. The movie is about a
nuclear attack on the United States. The movie I thought
was extremely well done, and I thoroughly enjoyed it up
(12:38):
to the end. And then spoiler alert on how it ended.
There was no end. There was no end. It got
to the end of this movie based on a nuclear
attack on the United States, and the nuclear weapon is
right about to hit Chicago.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It just ended. The movie just ended with no resolution,
no decision by the president on which path to take,
which had been laid out so beautifully in the movie,
it just ended. It was such a profound insult to
the viewer, because what's more important to you, your time
or your money. It's probably your time, and we've all
(13:22):
been in those situations where you're down to the last dollar.
Then it's your money. But otherwise it's your time, and
I felt robbed of my time. So warn everybody you know,
do not watch this movie unless you want to watch
the movie knowing there is no ending. It was just
so arrogant and deletest and abusive of my time, So
(13:44):
don't give me your time. Back to the phone lines,
let's start up in beautiful Cheyenne, Wyoming. You're on the
Dan Kapla Show, Steve.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Welcome, Hey Dan, thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Let me call in sure.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I lost you most days and find your opinion very highly.
I think very highly of your opinion. And when you
made the comment about a gal who the situation where
a gal has been here illegally for twenty years as
a kid, and you don't think America could want that person,
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round it up. I was wondering if you could take
that round that thought to the next level. Explain to me, what.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Are we going to give that gal lisizenship now?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Or great question?
Speaker 7 (14:34):
What is you know? Because that's not a great ask
for her to grow old and illegal in our country?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
No great, great questions, Steve, and no, I would not
give that person citizenship. What I would do is I
would allow that person in this example an opportunity to
gain some sort of legal status short of citizenship. And
I don't think anybody who came to the country illegally
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should then be able to vote, for example. But I
also think we need to deal with the mess we created.
And when I say we both parties get do you
agree with the premise, my friend, that before Donald Trump
was elected, both parties were actively inviting people to come
to this country illegally. Oh yeah, yeah, And so so
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that's why, No, I would not allow somebody to become
a citizen unless they left the country and went through
the full process. But I would if they'd not committed
any other crimes and they fit into certain models, I
would allow them an opportunity to earn legal status.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
That seems to have been tried a handful of times
with types of amnesty, and those always seemed to fall
into a situation of us being taken advantage of us.
And so that's that's why I was wondering where you
would think how to take that to the next level
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of we are a moral people, we do want to
do good to humanity and the certain situations, but I
can't think of past situation where that has worked out
well for the American citizen where we say, Okay, we'll
do amnesty this time.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
But that's it. What You're one hundred percent right, Steve,
You're one hundred percent right. As I said for thirty
years on air, the starting point problem is to have
any kind of legal status granted to anybody here illegally,
you have to first have the border close or the
first person you you reward with that legal status, you're
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inviting ten million more in because as I've said from
the beginning, and I'd love your take on this, if
I was born in poverty on the other side of
the border, I'd cheer as he I'll be trying to
get in here. And so you've got to absolutely gain
total control of the border before any kind of legal
status for anybody.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Well, I appreciate you taking the time to explain that that.
I'll be a great rest of your day, buddy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Thanks man, great great questions, great points. If you just
joined us. What we're talking about is Fox reporting this
big battle with an ice home and wanting to deport
criminal illegals and folks with final deportation orders. Christinom wanting
to deport everybody Christine No might think clearly on the
side of a majority of Americans, including Ryan, who was
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very articulately laid out his point. And I'm not critical
of the logic, the morality any of that. I struggle
with the morality of my position, which I've laid out
it's detailed, because I think if we're going to do
this really thoughtfully, and you know, as a Christian, I
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try to approach everything from the standpoint of what would
Jesus do. If we're going to try to really approach
it analytically and thoughtfully, then I think we're going to
have to treat different people differently based on when they
got here, etc. You're on the Dankplas Show.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast Fox News.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Major rapport to Big Big War within Ice, Tom Homan
on one side wanting to work criminally legals and those
with deportation orders, and Christinome wants to deport everybody. Lots
of people being fired. The Christy Nome camp has reportedly won.
So which camp are you in? Jonathan carl his new book,
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says Trump told Joe Biden they'd be great friends if
not for politics. I could see Trump saying that. I
think Trump is just I've never met him. I think
he's one of those people who I think he genuinely
likes people and likes to like people, and likes to
be like, likes to be liked, and I think that's
all great. He's also warrior in America has needed a warrior,
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and we got a warrior at the right time. So Dan,
your approach is so refreshing, says a Texture. Obviously you
could be hardcore, but I see where you push and
pull between law and love, and thank you for that
thoughtful text. It's real simple where I'm coming from. I
try to do everything based on what would Jesus do,
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and I obviously fail miserably often, but that's what I
try to do, and I try to apply that same
thing to illegal immigration. Does that mean that, okay, we
just have no border and everybody flows in.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I remember Archbishopship Hugh sitting three feet away in this studio,
and we went through the theology and the morality as
a Christian of a nation has to have borders, and
then you break it down from there. But no, I
am not in the camp of deport everybody who's here illegally,
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regardless of circumstance. Not in that camp, and that puts
me in the minority of Americans and probably this audience.
And I respect that. I'm not critical of people who disagree.
I'm just telling you what I believe and why. And
I'm also saying that I do struggle morally with my
own position because and that's why I'm continually continuously wrestling
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with it. I'm not naval gazing or anything else. It's analytical,
but in my job, I've devoted my life to where
I represent people who suffered the ultimate loss, had somebody
killed by another and representing those victims, I don't know
how you can ever justify having any American killed on
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the roadway by somebody who shouldn't have been here to
begin with and shouldn't have been here.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And the thing that really gets me dandred up that
the state of Colorado wants to issue illegal aliens driver's licenses.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And we know what that's all about.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Well, it's about I don't want to get cosmic, but
what it's about, truly, this is factual, is that the
modern Democratic Party does not value innocent human life. It
just doesn't accept their own. Just Yeah, that's what that's
all about. At the same time At the same time,
do you accept my premise or rejected, which is that
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both political parties prior to the election of Donald Trump,
the Republican Party and the Democrat Party, both invited people
to come to this country illegally. Democrats were just more
blatant about it. Republicans put some more rules on it.
But you got a whole lot of people in this
country illegally who have not committed any other crime, who
were implicitly invited into this country by both Democrat and
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Republican parties. So do we really as a nation want
to be tracking down I'm talking about tracking down, knocking
on the door and deporting you know that woman who's
been here for twenty years hasn't committed any other crime.
Is that what we want to do? It seems to
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me if we're going to do this the right way,
we're going to have to be very, very thoughtful and
treat different groups differently. For example, I think everybody who
came in after Joe Biden was elected has to, as
a matter of law, at a minimum, be subjected to vetting.
Because Biden and Johnston and pol Us and the whole
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bunch of them decided they wanted everybody in here without
vetting because they just wanted the numbers to benefit the
Democratic Party. You can't have a nation full of people
who came in illegally and were not vetted. So I
think you've got to do that with that group. I
think you've got to obviously anybody any criminal illegal, and
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that would include folks who've committed meaningful crimes here we
can talk about that definition, and folks who committed serious
crimes before coming to this country. All those people need
to be immediately rounded up and out. But then how
about all those people that both parties invited in before sixteen,
who haven't done any other crimes? What do you do there?
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Mark and Rora, you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Welcome, Hi, thank you, I'm in I'm in Tom Holman's
camp on this also. But I lean over towards Christy Nole.
When when they go out and have to chase somebody down,
anybody they come in contact with that that's associated with
that person, I think they got to deport them too,
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because more than likely they're benefiting from the criminal activity.
So and and the other thing that leans me towards
the Christine Nome approach is that just the wage depression.
You know, if you work on the lower end of
the spectrum, you know, you probably don't feel it as
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a lawyer, But I'm a painter. And if the job
gets lowered, if a man out of work gets lowered
by a dollar, how many man hours are there in
the United States, you know that are under these job categories.
So you know, that's what tips me over that way,
that everyone's fair game. And at the same time too,
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if you say, oh, well, you know there's these people
that seem so innocent and all they did was cross
the border illegally. If you can't put that in writing,
if you can't make it objective, you're sending a policeman
there are a law law enforcement out there on a
suicide mission, because after the job is done, there's people
second guessing him and saying, oh, what did you do?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Man? You know, I don't understand the last point about
placing the officers in danger. Can you elaborate on that?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Not physical danger, career danger. So you send them out
with a vague criteria and they they say they get
this person that's innocent as the driven.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Mean you mean ice ice agents?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you, and then
you got ten million people second guessing them.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
After the fact. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, and they're like, what did you do?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Man?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
You know you you deported snow White?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
No, no, yeah, you got it. Listen, I'm with you
on that one thousand percent. Thank you. Man. Got to
have absolutely clear marching orders. No ICE agent should ever
be criticized for enforcing the law. And as an ICEE agent,
somebody's here illegally and their marching orders are deport people
here illegally. There shouldn't be any gray area in the
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law regarding liability or anything else, any moral judgment in
that situation. No, I'm with you one thousand percent. I'm
just talking about at the policy making level the Trump administration.
And again, the reason we're talking about this is that
the breaking Fox story, big big battle within ICE over
which direction to go, do you deport everybody or just
(25:51):
the criminally illegals, and to deport everybody camp led by
Christy nome As apparently one, and so lots of top
ICE officials being fired so that policy can be enforced.
That's got a beautiful fort Collins. Talk to Jase. You're
on the DAN Capitalist you'll welcome.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Hey, Dany very much and I uh so talking about
criminality or not, and I guess I don't know. Constitutionally,
it makes it sound like it's a gray area if
they cross the border, if they're it's a it's a
criminal act or not in my granted act, Yeah, my
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opinion is a criminal act. But and I've had neighbors
that I have suspicion that they've been illegal and but
they're wonderful people. They're hard working, they have great families,
and I would be the first guide to sponsor them
on becoming a citizen and love that, love for them
to take that first step. But the one piece that
I feel like everybody always forgets or doesn't it doesn't
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get enough attention is the fact like if they're here
and they're actually working, and like how how it's all
under the table, So then you know the employer is
then creating a criminal act or they're using somebody's identity
false identity to pay taxes and and so like it's
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kind of there's this long string of criminal acts that
happen as part of being an illegal immigrant, and so
it's so like the whole book's got to get cleaned.
And another what quick point that it's it's I may
not leaps out real quickly, but when you look at
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going back in time with slavery and how the Democrats
you know, fought for it and you know, talked about
the economic repercussions of no slavery, they're doing the same
thing now with the illegal immigrants because the illegals, unfortunately
aren't able to get paid the same and who they
You'll hear them the talking points of who's going to
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clean our house and who's going to mow our lawns,
And it's almost a redo just different of the support
of the illegal immigrants comparatively to slavery. But those are
the two commons I want.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
To say, Yeah, Jase, appreciate the call. Don't have time
to get into all of that right now. I want
to on the other side as we take these other
calls and as you might imagine, calls and texts exploding
on this, as it should be. This is a major
major issue for Americans right now, and even the Trump
administration itself, according to Fox, very very divided. Do you
deport them all or just the criminal illegals? You're on
(28:33):
the Dan.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Kaplas Show, and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Fascinating Fox Story, Big Battle in the Trump Administration Homean
on one side wants to focus on the criminal illegals.
Christyom wants to deport everybody. Christy nomans one. Lots of
top ice people being fired. Which camp are you and
if you just joined us, thank you. My position is
that the wait second, if we're going to do this right,
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it's not that clean, it's not that easy, and we've
got to break this down and treat people differently based
upon when they got here, what they've done since they
got here. We have certain common denominators. Right. First, the
border has to be absolutely fully controlled so that anything
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done doesn't encourage more to come illegally. Second, every possible
resource needs to be devoted to immediately rounding up and
deporting anybody here illegally who's committed any other kind of
serious crime or came to this country with the serious
criminal history from another country. So those are your starting points,
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but we have tremendous text on this. Dan. My first
wife was Korean. After becoming a widower, my second wife
is Russian, I spent ten years helping them get their citizenship.
I hate people who cut in line. Thousand percent. That's
another common denominator. In my mind, nobody who came here
illegally should get citizenship without having to start over and
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go through the whole process. What I'm talking about for
those few groups who in my view, should be allowed
to stay, is that they would get some kind of
legal status, sort of citizenships. So you could now regulate
a whole bunch of stuff, including the income that they're making. Dan,
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what about payback for government assistants while living here illegally?
A fair point, fair question, but we all know that's
not going to happen. Dan. Also, this guy we're into,
my daughter, he is nice, and he pulled over, did
the right thing, But why does his driver's license say
not for federal ID voting. Listen, I've said it a
thousand times. This is what I've devoted my whole professional
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life to is representing victims. And I don't know how
a nation can ever justify having an American citizen killed
on the roadway by somebody here illegally, and so that
that weighs very, very heavily on me. I want to
kill right now as we sit here. Right now, Ryan,
you should see the email I just got. I do
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trucking cases all over the country. And I just got
a video from a case I've taken on out of state,
and this video shows this, this, And I have so
many trucking cases involving illegal immigrant truck drivers, and here
we have another trucking case and it shows this semi
coming across three lanes of traffic over the median and
(31:31):
absolutely horrifically kills these innocent people. No moral nation, no
moral nation, can can never justify that. But I see
it in case after case that I do, where there
are these illegal immigrant truckers and then you've got some
who aren't here illegally, but they can't speak the language,
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they can't read, you know, the traffic signs. That's insanity,
insanity that this nation would permit that. So I'm trying
to do. What I'm trying to do is just what
you're trying to do, just trying to figure this massive
problem created by both parties out. And if you disagree
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with the premise, tell me. But my premise is that
until Donald Trump was elected in sixteen, both parties implicitly
invited people into this country legally. Should that factor into
the analysis at all, Dan, I think step one is
Tom Holman. Step two is Christine Noman. That's where the
Democrats are making this so much harder, and the Democrats
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are leading to so many more deportations of people without
criminal histories other than coming here illegally because Democrats like
Polis and Johnston won't let Homan into the jail to
get the criminal illegals, so they have to go out
and track them down elsewhere, and then they come across
folks here are illegally, you haven't committed other crimes, and
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those people get picked up too. How do you criticize
Homan for that? But it's the Democrats who are creating
that quandary and that danger, and it's the Democrats leading
to a lot more deportations that way. I love this phrase.
Listening to this or your position indicates that you are
suffering from suicidal empathy. I wonder if your position would
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be different if most of these illegal immigrants didn't share
your religion. Fair question, but it has absolutely nothing to
do with it. And I understand the question. It's a
fair one, and you can believe me or not. I'm
just telling you the truth. It has nothing to do
with it. Now, Suicidal empathy the opposite absolutely not, But
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again a fair question, because there are some people who
have that and they would be empathetic to the point
where they would they would put their nation in danger.
I have no interest in that. I mean, it's a
real simple approach in my mind the way I try
to live my life. What would Jesus do? And obviously
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I fail at that approach all the time, but that's
the approach I try to take. What would Jesus do? Here?
Would Jesus have opened borders? I don't believe so. And
the archbishop, Archbishop Shep Hugh, sat right here and we
had that conversation. You said, no, no, that the Church
supports nations having borders. So then how do you figure
it out within that? Well, that's where I think there
(34:24):
are some real easy things we can all agree on together,
you know, starting with close the border, control the border,
and deport all the criminal illegals. We can agree on that.
We should start there. We'll continue the conversation tomorrow. Thank you, Ryan,
please join us tomorrow on the Dan Capli Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Fox News.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
There's a big division within ICE over what is the
American way, with Tom Homan on one side saying, hey,
we need to be deporting criminally legals and final deportation
orders and Christy Noman on the other side saying we've
got to deport everybody hearing legally, and according to Fox
if this is accurate, many many top heads within ICE
(00:35):
are rolling as we speak and people being replaced over
this battle. Now it's not completely clear to me from
the reporting which side one, but it appears, it appears,
according to this Fox News report, as if the Christy
Nome side has won and that there are going to
be and already have been many firings of major ICE
(00:58):
officials state by date who were not enthusiastically behind deporting everybody.
That is the Fox News reporting. It's not being reported
by any other outlet at this point, but that's the
reporting that's out there. So just asking which of those
camps you would fall into. Some Texters say somewhere in
the middle. Will continue to go through those texts, you
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can text us d A N five seven seven three nine,
of course, I love I'm a throwback, I love the
calls three oh three seven one three eight two five five.
The number will work in other texts also as we
move through dan Uh, there's no prediction that Hurricane Melissa
will come to America at the moment. That is quite
a blessing. Amen to that. Feel so bad for the
(01:40):
folks in Jamaica. We you know, my whole life a
short story, my mom and dad. They work so hard
their whole lives, and they my mom and of Vezima.
So then my dad retired from the police force after
thirty years. They moved down to this beautiful spot in
Fort Myers, Florida, and so we all spend so much
(02:01):
time there, and the kids grew up there, and we
love it so much. We bought a little condo down there,
and they're sit there watching TV. One night, Hurricane Ian
our neighborhood which is about as big as this radio
studio the eye of that hurricane. So believe me, I'm
I'm very grateful we're not in this hurricane and feel
so bad for those who are. Dan. Every one of
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the illegal immigrants has been given the opportunity to self deport,
They've had their chance to leave, and so that person supports,
obviously Christinome to port everybody. Dan. Capitalists often Republicans need
cheap labor, Democrats needed votes. That's l immigration weakness, no texture.
It's led to both parties implicitly inviting people into this
(02:44):
country legally before Donald Trump was elected. And that's what
this nation did for the very reasons that you articulate
now after twenty sixteen, everybody was unnoticed until Biden then won.
And you've got another wrinkle because then Biden and the
left decided not to vet people and brought all of
(03:06):
these millions and millions in without being vetted. So how
do you deal with that?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Dan?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I agree with Ryan. By the way, I saw another
article I believe earlier today. Both parties because no backbone
and cheap labor. Yeah, no, no doubt. But that's the point.
Does it matter to your view of this that both
parties invited people to come here illegally before twenty sixty
and Trump was the one who then changed course, Dan
(03:34):
to port all of them even if they've been here
for twenty years or more. Dan, peanut butter isn't bad. Yeah,
that's what I said, Dan. Two great apps for checking
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(03:55):
incredible amount of added sugar the from Alexa, Thank you Alexa.
And this one today because I've never it's like my
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has zero added sugar. That's good. That's via this sports
nutritionist who's awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Can you eat plain yogurt because that's what I'm told
you're supposed to eat?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Is that right? It's not great. This is like the
second little tub of yogurt I've ever eaten. Man, my expertise. Well, ever,
like when you were a kid, he didn't have no, no, no, wow, man,
I don't think we ever heard of yogurt. That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah yeah, okay, you didn't have Dan and fruit on
the bottom.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
No fruit, Dan, you're Dan Dan.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
No, No, we didn't have any of that. Oh wow.
We had the greatest childhood ever. We had my mom's
homemade powdered sugar donuts. And you know he turned out
all right, Dan and Fruit. I would not trade my
parents or the way I grew up for anything. I
tell everybody when i'm people are kind enough to offer
(04:58):
to have me speak somewhere, just grow up, and I say, hey,
I grew up in the wealthiest family in Chicago, which
is true if you define wealth the right way. Dan.
My wife was born here, but she has family members
that have taken the time to become US citizens. Others
should not be allowed to sneak in.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Dan.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Tom Omen has said consistently that while they are targeting
violent criminal illegals, he is not at all deposed to
deporting any illegal and I agree with the texture I've
heard tom Holmans say that. But according to the Fox
reporting today, he's on the one camp saying just the
criminal illegals and the deportation orders, and Christy Nomes saying
(05:37):
to port them all.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
The other thing.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I'll point to, Dan, And this has actually surprised me
because while I'm in that camp with fabricatory and Christy
Nome and you said, Lewandowski, I was of the feeling
that might be a slight minority opinion that to deport
them all, but dan consistent polling is shown CBS and
otherwise that the majority of American it's in the fifties,
but maybe around sixty or so favored all illegal You
(06:02):
are absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Correct, and you can be sure that number is even higher.
Probably Okay, well even then, because there are a lot
of people who probably feel that way but wouldn't feel
right seeing it to a pholster. There you go. Yeah, yeah.
All I'm saying is I think it is absolutely barbaric
and unforgivable that this nation hasn't used every available resource
(06:29):
to immediately and without haste, track down, round up, and
deport every criminal illegal immoral of our country not to
do that. Any self respecting, self protecting country would have
been doing that for the last twenty years. At the
same time, I don't believe that as Americans, we want
(06:51):
to have our government out there rounding up You know,
a mom who has lived here for twenty or twenty
five years, peacefully, without violating any laws and while being
a productive, productive member of society. I don't think that's
what Americans in their heart truly want. Maybe I'm wrong,
(07:12):
but I don't want that. I don't want our government
out actively seeking and finding and rounding up and deporting
women who've lived here for twenty or twenty five years
and haven't violated any other law. Am I wrong? I
(07:32):
think the majority of people in America would say I'm wrong,
and I would understand their argument, and I wouldn't call
them a moral I wouldn't call them any bad names.
I would understand their logic.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I do think there is a difference now, Ryan. One thing,
when it comes to anybody who entered after twenty sixteen.
It was clear the day Donald Trump took office that
he wanted that borders in America elected him to close
that border. I think that you can apply a different
criteria to anyone who entered after twenty sixteen. I think
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you have to apply a different criteria to anybody who
entered under Biden, because then they were not vetting, they
were actively recruiting people to come here. They just wanted numbers.
They wanted numbers for political reasons, and they knowingly allowed
in lots and lots of criminals. So I think you've
got to look at different time periods differently if you're
(08:31):
going to be truly as as logical and as moral
and as thoughtful as possible while still protecting this nation
and fulfilling that obligation.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It is a balancing, actually right. And I understand the
desperation of people who want to come here for a
better life and are escaping tyranny, and it might be
fearing for their lives. I take all of that very seriously.
But I also take the laws of this country very seriously.
There are those who have come to this country under
very difficult circumstances, but they have done it the right
(09:05):
way because they want to be Americans, and they want
to live our life, and they want to contribute to
our way of life and our society.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And I want those immigrants here, I really do well,
and there is in my mind there is no flaw
in that logic. I don't I don't see a moral
flaw in that approach. I'm just telling you the approach
I would take in why and it's it's more complicated
because I do think you have to treat different groups differently,
(09:32):
including based on when they came here. Josh and Wheatridge
are on the Dan Kaplis Show. There are some common
denominators any criminal illegals, we should be doing even more
to round them up and get them out.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yeah, Josh, Hey, Dan.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Yeah, No, I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
With you and Ryan, how's that possible?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm right, I know exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
You know, I think I'm I think I'm more in
the Tom Holman camp. I think I should be focusing
on criminal like people that have entered the country illegally
and then committed criminal acts. And I just think with
the amount of immigration that there's been and just with
general crime statistics, I think ICE has a very full
(10:16):
caseload with that. Now, if they're able to get through
that caseload, then one hundred percent start going after, you know,
people that having committed criminal acts other than entering the
country illegally.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. And one of the challenges Jay, thanks, Josh, thanks
to the call. One of the challenges for ICE is
because the Mike Johnston's and Jared Poulis's of the world
won't let ICE into jails, won't let ICE into jails.
ICE doesn't have that ready access, you know, to criminally legals,
and so what ICE has to do then is go
(10:49):
out and try to track down the criminally legals house
by house and business by business, and then ICE is
running into a lot of people are here illegally, but
if not committed crimes. So that's one of the challenges
for ICE. Right now you're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
Should still should I go? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:12):
That's I'm Tyler Good Fox supporting a big, big battle
within ICE. Tom Homan on one side, Christi Nome on
the other. Homan wants to deport criminal illegals and final
deportation orders. Christy Nome wants to deport everybody here illegally,
lots of people being fired. According to Fox, Christi nomes
side has won, so top people in a bunch of
(11:32):
states being replaced with those who are now willing to
just deport everybody. So getting your take on this, which
side you would be on? Text and fuego as are
the phone lines, so we will go to both. Hey,
public service announcement here. Uh, don't watch the movie A
House of Dynamite. Have you seen it?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Ryan?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
No, It's on Netflix. I have never hated a movie
more in my life. Flow and I just have to
urge you in the strongest possible terms not to spend
a minute on it, because if you spend a minute
on it. You'll spend an hour and a half or
two hours on it, as I did, and you will
end very, very angry. So let me give a quick
(12:17):
spoiler alert so I can explain a lot truly, and
don't go away from the show for long if you
intend to watch it. I don't want to ruin the
end for you. But I've never been more angry at
the end of a movie. The movie is about a
nuclear attack on the United States. The movie I thought
was extremely well done, and I thoroughly enjoyed it up
(12:38):
to the end. And then spoiler alert on how it ended.
There was no end. There was no end. It got
to the end of this movie based on a nuclear
attack on the United States, and the nuclear weapon is
right about to hit Chicago.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
And.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It just ended. The movie just ended with no resolution,
no decision by the president on which path to take,
which had been laid out so beautifully in the movie,
it just ended. It was such a profound insult to
the viewer, because what's more important to you, your time
or your money. It's probably your time, and we've all
(13:22):
been in those situations where you're down to the last dollar.
Then it's your money. But otherwise it's your time, and
I felt robbed of my time. So warn everybody you know,
do not watch this movie unless you want to watch
the movie knowing there is no ending. It was just
so arrogant and deletest and abusive of my time, So
(13:44):
don't give me your time. Back to the phone lines,
let's start up in beautiful Cheyenne, Wyoming. You're on the
Dan Kapla Show, Steve.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Welcome, Hey Dan, thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Let me call in sure.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
I lost you most days and find your opinion very highly.
I think very highly of your opinion. And when you
made the comment about a gal who the situation where
a gal has been here illegally for twenty years as
a kid, and you don't think America could want that person,
(14:19):
round it up. I was wondering if you could take
that round that thought to the next level. Explain to me, what.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Are we going to give that gal lisizenship now?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Or great question?
Speaker 7 (14:34):
What is you know? Because that's not a great ask
for her to grow old and illegal in our country?
Speaker 1 (14:41):
No great, great questions, Steve, and no, I would not
give that person citizenship. What I would do is I
would allow that person in this example an opportunity to
gain some sort of legal status short of citizenship. And
I don't think anybody who came to the country illegally
(15:05):
should then be able to vote, for example. But I
also think we need to deal with the mess we created.
And when I say we both parties get do you
agree with the premise, my friend, that before Donald Trump
was elected, both parties were actively inviting people to come
to this country illegally. Oh yeah, yeah, And so so
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that's why, No, I would not allow somebody to become
a citizen unless they left the country and went through
the full process. But I would if they'd not committed
any other crimes and they fit into certain models, I
would allow them an opportunity to earn legal status.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
That seems to have been tried a handful of times
with types of amnesty, and those always seemed to fall
into a situation of us being taken advantage of us.
And so that's that's why I was wondering where you
would think how to take that to the next level
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of we are a moral people, we do want to
do good to humanity and the certain situations, but I
can't think of past situation where that has worked out
well for the American citizen where we say, Okay, we'll
do amnesty this time.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
But that's it. What You're one hundred percent right, Steve,
You're one hundred percent right. As I said for thirty
years on air, the starting point problem is to have
any kind of legal status granted to anybody here illegally,
you have to first have the border close or the
first person you you reward with that legal status, you're
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inviting ten million more in because as I've said from
the beginning, and I'd love your take on this, if
I was born in poverty on the other side of
the border, I'd cheer as he I'll be trying to
get in here. And so you've got to absolutely gain
total control of the border before any kind of legal
status for anybody.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Well, I appreciate you taking the time to explain that that.
I'll be a great rest of your day, buddy.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Thanks man, great great questions, great points. If you just
joined us. What we're talking about is Fox reporting this
big battle with an ice home and wanting to deport
criminal illegals and folks with final deportation orders. Christinom wanting
to deport everybody Christine No might think clearly on the
side of a majority of Americans, including Ryan, who was
(17:37):
very articulately laid out his point. And I'm not critical
of the logic, the morality any of that. I struggle
with the morality of my position, which I've laid out
it's detailed, because I think if we're going to do
this really thoughtfully, and you know, as a Christian, I
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try to approach everything from the standpoint of what would
Jesus do. If we're going to try to really approach
it analytically and thoughtfully, then I think we're going to
have to treat different people differently based on when they
got here, etc. You're on the Dankplas Show.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
You're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast Fox News.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Major rapport to Big Big War within Ice, Tom Homan
on one side wanting to work criminally legals and those
with deportation orders, and Christinome wants to deport everybody. Lots
of people being fired. The Christy Nome camp has reportedly won.
So which camp are you in? Jonathan carl his new book,
(18:38):
says Trump told Joe Biden they'd be great friends if
not for politics. I could see Trump saying that. I
think Trump is just I've never met him. I think
he's one of those people who I think he genuinely
likes people and likes to like people, and likes to
be like, likes to be liked, and I think that's
all great. He's also warrior in America has needed a warrior,
(19:02):
and we got a warrior at the right time. So Dan,
your approach is so refreshing, says a Texture. Obviously you
could be hardcore, but I see where you push and
pull between law and love, and thank you for that
thoughtful text. It's real simple where I'm coming from. I
try to do everything based on what would Jesus do,
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and I obviously fail miserably often, but that's what I
try to do, and I try to apply that same
thing to illegal immigration. Does that mean that, okay, we
just have no border and everybody flows in.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I remember Archbishopship Hugh sitting three feet away in this studio,
and we went through the theology and the morality as
a Christian of a nation has to have borders, and
then you break it down from there. But no, I
am not in the camp of deport everybody who's here illegally,
(19:58):
regardless of circumstance. Not in that camp, and that puts
me in the minority of Americans and probably this audience.
And I respect that. I'm not critical of people who disagree.
I'm just telling you what I believe and why. And
I'm also saying that I do struggle morally with my
own position because and that's why I'm continually continuously wrestling
(20:20):
with it. I'm not naval gazing or anything else. It's analytical,
but in my job, I've devoted my life to where
I represent people who suffered the ultimate loss, had somebody
killed by another and representing those victims, I don't know
how you can ever justify having any American killed on
(20:41):
the roadway by somebody who shouldn't have been here to
begin with and shouldn't have been here.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And the thing that really gets me dandred up that
the state of Colorado wants to issue illegal aliens driver's licenses.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And we know what that's all about.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Well, it's about I don't want to get cosmic, but
what it's about, truly, this is factual, is that the
modern Democratic Party does not value innocent human life. It
just doesn't accept their own. Just Yeah, that's what that's
all about. At the same time At the same time,
do you accept my premise or rejected, which is that
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both political parties prior to the election of Donald Trump,
the Republican Party and the Democrat Party, both invited people
to come to this country illegally. Democrats were just more
blatant about it. Republicans put some more rules on it.
But you got a whole lot of people in this
country illegally who have not committed any other crime, who
were implicitly invited into this country by both Democrat and
(21:42):
Republican parties. So do we really as a nation want
to be tracking down I'm talking about tracking down, knocking
on the door and deporting you know that woman who's
been here for twenty years hasn't committed any other crime.
Is that what we want to do? It seems to
(22:03):
me if we're going to do this the right way,
we're going to have to be very, very thoughtful and
treat different groups differently. For example, I think everybody who
came in after Joe Biden was elected has to, as
a matter of law, at a minimum, be subjected to vetting.
Because Biden and Johnston and pol Us and the whole
(22:24):
bunch of them decided they wanted everybody in here without
vetting because they just wanted the numbers to benefit the
Democratic Party. You can't have a nation full of people
who came in illegally and were not vetted. So I
think you've got to do that with that group. I
think you've got to obviously anybody any criminal illegal, and
(22:46):
that would include folks who've committed meaningful crimes here we
can talk about that definition, and folks who committed serious
crimes before coming to this country. All those people need
to be immediately rounded up and out. But then how
about all those people that both parties invited in before sixteen,
who haven't done any other crimes? What do you do there?
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Mark and Rora, you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Welcome, Hi, thank you, I'm in I'm in Tom Holman's
camp on this also. But I lean over towards Christy Nole.
When when they go out and have to chase somebody down,
anybody they come in contact with that that's associated with
that person, I think they got to deport them too,
(23:33):
because more than likely they're benefiting from the criminal activity.
So and and the other thing that leans me towards
the Christine Nome approach is that just the wage depression.
You know, if you work on the lower end of
the spectrum, you know, you probably don't feel it as
(23:53):
a lawyer, But I'm a painter. And if the job
gets lowered, if a man out of work gets lowered
by a dollar, how many man hours are there in
the United States, you know that are under these job categories.
So you know, that's what tips me over that way,
that everyone's fair game. And at the same time too,
(24:16):
if you say, oh, well, you know there's these people
that seem so innocent and all they did was cross
the border illegally. If you can't put that in writing,
if you can't make it objective, you're sending a policeman
there are a law law enforcement out there on a
suicide mission, because after the job is done, there's people
second guessing him and saying, oh, what did you do?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Man? You know, I don't understand the last point about
placing the officers in danger. Can you elaborate on that?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Not physical danger, career danger. So you send them out
with a vague criteria and they they say they get
this person that's innocent as the driven.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Mean you mean ice ice agents?
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you, and then
you got ten million people second guessing them.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
After the fact. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, and they're like, what did you do?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Man?
Speaker 5 (25:06):
You know you you deported snow White?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
No, no, yeah, you got it. Listen, I'm with you
on that one thousand percent. Thank you. Man. Got to
have absolutely clear marching orders. No ICE agent should ever
be criticized for enforcing the law. And as an ICEE agent,
somebody's here illegally and their marching orders are deport people
here illegally. There shouldn't be any gray area in the
(25:30):
law regarding liability or anything else, any moral judgment in
that situation. No, I'm with you one thousand percent. I'm
just talking about at the policy making level the Trump administration.
And again, the reason we're talking about this is that
the breaking Fox story, big big battle within ICE over
which direction to go, do you deport everybody or just
(25:51):
the criminally illegals, and to deport everybody camp led by
Christy nome As apparently one, and so lots of top
ICE officials being fired so that policy can be enforced.
That's got a beautiful fort Collins. Talk to Jase. You're
on the DAN Capitalist you'll welcome.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Hey, Dany very much and I uh so talking about
criminality or not, and I guess I don't know. Constitutionally,
it makes it sound like it's a gray area if
they cross the border, if they're it's a it's a
criminal act or not in my granted act, Yeah, my
(26:31):
opinion is a criminal act. But and I've had neighbors
that I have suspicion that they've been illegal and but
they're wonderful people. They're hard working, they have great families,
and I would be the first guide to sponsor them
on becoming a citizen and love that, love for them
to take that first step. But the one piece that
I feel like everybody always forgets or doesn't it doesn't
(26:53):
get enough attention is the fact like if they're here
and they're actually working, and like how how it's all
under the table, So then you know the employer is
then creating a criminal act or they're using somebody's identity
false identity to pay taxes and and so like it's
(27:14):
kind of there's this long string of criminal acts that
happen as part of being an illegal immigrant, and so
it's so like the whole book's got to get cleaned.
And another what quick point that it's it's I may
not leaps out real quickly, but when you look at
(27:37):
going back in time with slavery and how the Democrats
you know, fought for it and you know, talked about
the economic repercussions of no slavery, they're doing the same
thing now with the illegal immigrants because the illegals, unfortunately
aren't able to get paid the same and who they
You'll hear them the talking points of who's going to
(27:57):
clean our house and who's going to mow our lawns,
And it's almost a redo just different of the support
of the illegal immigrants comparatively to slavery. But those are
the two commons I want.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
To say, Yeah, Jase, appreciate the call. Don't have time
to get into all of that right now. I want
to on the other side as we take these other
calls and as you might imagine, calls and texts exploding
on this, as it should be. This is a major
major issue for Americans right now, and even the Trump
administration itself, according to Fox, very very divided. Do you
deport them all or just the criminal illegals? You're on
(28:33):
the Dan.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Kaplas Show, and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Fascinating Fox Story, Big Battle in the Trump Administration Homean
on one side wants to focus on the criminal illegals.
Christyom wants to deport everybody. Christy nomans one. Lots of
top ice people being fired. Which camp are you and
if you just joined us, thank you. My position is
that the wait second, if we're going to do this right,
(29:01):
it's not that clean, it's not that easy, and we've
got to break this down and treat people differently based
upon when they got here, what they've done since they
got here. We have certain common denominators. Right. First, the
border has to be absolutely fully controlled so that anything
(29:23):
done doesn't encourage more to come illegally. Second, every possible
resource needs to be devoted to immediately rounding up and
deporting anybody here illegally who's committed any other kind of
serious crime or came to this country with the serious
criminal history from another country. So those are your starting points,
(29:43):
but we have tremendous text on this. Dan. My first
wife was Korean. After becoming a widower, my second wife
is Russian, I spent ten years helping them get their citizenship.
I hate people who cut in line. Thousand percent. That's
another common denominator. In my mind, nobody who came here
illegally should get citizenship without having to start over and
(30:03):
go through the whole process. What I'm talking about for
those few groups who in my view, should be allowed
to stay, is that they would get some kind of
legal status, sort of citizenships. So you could now regulate
a whole bunch of stuff, including the income that they're making. Dan,
(30:26):
what about payback for government assistants while living here illegally?
A fair point, fair question, but we all know that's
not going to happen. Dan. Also, this guy we're into,
my daughter, he is nice, and he pulled over, did
the right thing, But why does his driver's license say
not for federal ID voting. Listen, I've said it a
thousand times. This is what I've devoted my whole professional
(30:46):
life to is representing victims. And I don't know how
a nation can ever justify having an American citizen killed
on the roadway by somebody here illegally, and so that
that weighs very, very heavily on me. I want to
kill right now as we sit here. Right now, Ryan,
you should see the email I just got. I do
(31:07):
trucking cases all over the country. And I just got
a video from a case I've taken on out of state,
and this video shows this, this, And I have so
many trucking cases involving illegal immigrant truck drivers, and here
we have another trucking case and it shows this semi
coming across three lanes of traffic over the median and
(31:31):
absolutely horrifically kills these innocent people. No moral nation, no
moral nation, can can never justify that. But I see
it in case after case that I do, where there
are these illegal immigrant truckers and then you've got some
who aren't here illegally, but they can't speak the language,
(31:51):
they can't read, you know, the traffic signs. That's insanity,
insanity that this nation would permit that. So I'm trying
to do. What I'm trying to do is just what
you're trying to do, just trying to figure this massive
problem created by both parties out. And if you disagree
(32:12):
with the premise, tell me. But my premise is that
until Donald Trump was elected in sixteen, both parties implicitly
invited people into this country legally. Should that factor into
the analysis at all, Dan, I think step one is
Tom Holman. Step two is Christine Noman. That's where the
Democrats are making this so much harder, and the Democrats
(32:34):
are leading to so many more deportations of people without
criminal histories other than coming here illegally because Democrats like
Polis and Johnston won't let Homan into the jail to
get the criminal illegals, so they have to go out
and track them down elsewhere, and then they come across
folks here are illegally, you haven't committed other crimes, and
(32:55):
those people get picked up too. How do you criticize
Homan for that? But it's the Democrats who are creating
that quandary and that danger, and it's the Democrats leading
to a lot more deportations that way. I love this phrase.
Listening to this or your position indicates that you are
suffering from suicidal empathy. I wonder if your position would
(33:18):
be different if most of these illegal immigrants didn't share
your religion. Fair question, but it has absolutely nothing to
do with it. And I understand the question. It's a
fair one, and you can believe me or not. I'm
just telling you the truth. It has nothing to do
with it. Now, Suicidal empathy the opposite absolutely not, But
(33:39):
again a fair question, because there are some people who
have that and they would be empathetic to the point
where they would they would put their nation in danger.
I have no interest in that. I mean, it's a
real simple approach in my mind the way I try
to live my life. What would Jesus do? And obviously
(34:01):
I fail at that approach all the time, but that's
the approach I try to take. What would Jesus do? Here?
Would Jesus have opened borders? I don't believe so. And
the archbishop, Archbishop Shep Hugh, sat right here and we
had that conversation. You said, no, no, that the Church
supports nations having borders. So then how do you figure
it out within that? Well, that's where I think there
(34:24):
are some real easy things we can all agree on together,
you know, starting with close the border, control the border,
and deport all the criminal illegals. We can agree on that.
We should start there. We'll continue the conversation tomorrow. Thank you, Ryan,
please join us tomorrow on the Dan Capli Show.
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