July 9, 2026 • 35 mins
The Colorado governor's race has taken a dramatic turn with Victor Marx declared the winner by AP. But what does this mean for the state's future? In this episode, the speaker dives into the implications of Marx's win and what it could mean for the general election.
Victor Marx's campaign was built on a unique blend of grassroots support and outsider appeal, which ultimately paid off in the primary. But now, the Marx campaign faces a new challenge: addressing concerns about Marx's integrity and past controversies. Listeners will hear from callers who are torn between supporting Marx and his opponent, Phil Wiser, and discuss the importance of unity among conservatives in the state.
The episode also touches on the rise of democratic socialism in Colorado and how it could impact the state's economy and liberties. A guest expert shares insights on the movement's goals and how they differ from traditional socialism. The conversation also delves into the importance of addressing concerns about Marx's past and how it could impact his chances in the general election.
Tune in to hear the full discussion and get a deeper understanding of the Colorado governor's race and its implications for the state's future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Victor Marx just won the GOP primary for governor
in Colorado. That's been declared by AP and it appears
for very good reason, and we'll be talking about that
and great depth starting in a few minutes here. So
many questions obviously, right, Okay, how did Victor win? What
are the lessons to be taken from it? Will Barbindorsa,
Will Scott Indorsem, what advice would you give to the
(00:21):
Marx campaign now going forward against Phil Wiser? So lots
to talk about there. Wall Street Journal reporting that Israel
has given the US actionable intelligence that Iran has a
new plan to kill President Trump, and we had talked
about the president's concern about that yesterday and some detail
we'll expand on that. But so grateful to be able
to go to the VIP line and welcome Ari Armstrong
(00:44):
from Complete Colorado. A wonderful piece. I hope everybody reads it,
because a radio interview cannot do it justice. It's titled
Inside the Democratic Socialist Fantasy Land of Malotte kiros Ari.
Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Hey, thanks for having me on and thanks for the
plug for the article.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh well, it is well deserved. My friend, and could
you please give folks an overview of it? I mean,
there's no way. One of the things I love is
you pack it full of so much detail that there's
no way a summary can capture it. But just give
people a peak and then hopefully everybody will go to
Complete Colorado and read it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, thankfully, I'm not limited to the usual some one
hundred and fifty words.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So a lot of what I do.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And previously I talked about a lot Kiros's comments about
Israel and terror. So this new piece is talking about
her views on democratic socialism, and so I'll just highlight
a few of the things she says. A lot of
what she talks about is that she just wants to
expand the welfare state dramatically. It's the classic cradle to
grave care by the government that you've heard of. And
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part of her argument I think it's kind of silly,
but this is her argument. She says, well, look, government
already spends money on things like protection, public schools, so on,
so we already have socialism in that respect. So she's
basically think, so therefore, why not we spend money on
more things. So she's basically saying anything government does is
already socialism, which I think is a pretty silly argument,
(02:13):
but you can see why retires.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
She makes it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And then then she has this line where, well, people
should be able to pursue their passions whether or not
they are making any money to support themselves. And my
thought is, well, if you want, if you want to
pursue your passion, spear out a way to make a
living doing that, or treat it.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
As a hobby like many people do.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
But if you're just going to do whatever you want
at other people's expense, that is passion by theft. In
my brief response, and so I'm basically just trying to
go through what it is she actually believes as a
Democratic socialist, self proclaimed right, it's not like this is
hidden her subtle. She brags about being endorsed by Democratic
Socialists of America, and you know, so she's not like
(03:02):
hiding from this or that. In the Senate race, there
was some question as whether Julie Gonzalez was actually a
Democratic Socialist.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But well, well that's a.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Great hiding, that's a great point, Arie Armstrong, our guest,
I'm sure of two things.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Melac Carros is sitting there kicking herself because she knows
if she had run against Hickenlooper, she would have beat
him because Julie Gonzalez, you know who, as far as
I could tell, didn't have any funding, didn't have much
of a campaign. Julie Gonzalez came within five five and
a half points of hicken Looper, and Gonzalez tried to
go backwards and being a Democrat socialist, she said, yeah,
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I was in the past, but not now. Maybe if
Gonzales had run as a full throated, double middle finger socialist,
she would have beat Hickenlooper.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not straight the way. I mean,
Denver certainly is not the same demographically as the state
as a whole. And certainly, you know, if malat kiros
Or or Julie Gonzalez had won the Senate primary, that
would be a whole different ballgame come the general election
versus the Democratic excuse me, versus the Denver area. So
(04:05):
I'm not sure about that. But it is interesting how
for a while some people were kind of running away
from the Democratic socialis cycle, but now that doesn't seem
to be the case. All they're running for it as
fast as they can.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Oh. Yeah, being privately.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Endorsing there, announcing their endorsement VI Bernie Sanders, probably becoming
their membership in the d essay, these sort of things,
in some cases in New York, even going so far
as they call for the nationalization of the airline industry.
So that's like classic socialism when you're calling for nationalization
of the means of production.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And that's one of the things I thought Area is
so valuable about your piece and complete Colorado because you
really get into the detail of Okay, how does malak
Kiros define socialism, her brand of socialism compared to say,
you know, the Soviet Union or maw et cetera. How
would you sum that up? How she defined socialism?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, I think that the DSA crowd is intentionally trying
to make it as big as possible so that you
can't nail them down. And one of the points I
make in my article is, you know, I'm old enough
to remember the Cold War, even though the Cuban missile
crisis was before my time. That feels very real to
me as a real threat to our nation and to
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global peace. But a lot of younger people don't have
as a direct memory of the Cold War, And so
I think it's easier for them to forget some of
the twentieth century socialist atrocities, and that it is for
people who lived through at least part of that history.
But so is it classic socialism in terms of let's
nationalize the means of production?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Maybe, except they do talk a lot about well, we
need democratic control of business.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well what does that mean.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Does that mean that you can just vote first additional
regulations on the margin, What does it mean you can say, well,
you know, look, use this business, you own resources, but
we vote that we own it now and you don't.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I love that point you make in your peace. I
love that point you make in your piece because you
know that that's another one of their dishonest maneuvers. Oh,
we're for democratic control, right, So okay, we're going to
vote to take Ari's money and give it to Zach. Right,
that's their idea of democratic control. And I love the
way you go after this, this preposterous starting point of
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hers that hey, we're already socialists because we have roads
and schools. I mean, she must think people are absolute idiots.
The difference between just basic infrastructure and an economic system.
But she must think people are idiots because I don't
think she's an idiot. I think she's a smart person
who has decided to pursue some very bad things, and
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she's decided to pursue it for her own reasons. Whether
we're talking about the anti Semitism, whether we're talking about
this socialist stuff that has failed everywhere, I think she's
a smart person who's decided to do bad things.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
She is a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
She did work in a top law firm in the
New York area, which she brags about getting fired from
for political or political stances. So it's no doubt she
is very smart. If you watch her nine News for
extended nine News interview with Kyle Clark, she comes across
as usually very articulate, even though she clams up on
some of the questions that you think would be very obvious,
(07:27):
like hey, was a firebombing and Boulder and active anti
Semitic terror? She couldn't quite answer that question clearly for
some reason. But for the most part, you can tell
she's well put together, articulate, very very comfortable talking about
her policies, and she can give these superficial answers that
sound nice until you actually think through what you're saying
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and what the implications are. Well, it does take that
extra step right.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
In speaking of that Kyle Clark interview of Milt Kiros,
I hope this is a new standard now where I
hope Republicans can get the same Conservatives can get the
same soothing treatment in their interviews with Kyle Clark that
he gave the Socialist. You know what I mean. It
seems a Republican should be entitled to that.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But yeah, well, I don't know. I thought that he smooth, yes,
but he also asked some very pointed questions I thought so,
for example, his follow up on well, do you also
think that nine to eleven was basically the fault of
US policy? Yeah, that's pretty hard hard at his question
in my book. So I don't know, you can you
can argue about that?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, and I know and I know where you didn't
come on to talk about that. But the only thing
I'd say there is, yeah, but if that had been
a conservative spewing such vile and such garbage, there would
have been fifteen Because Kyle's very smart and talented. You
saw him on Lesha on Victor Marx, there would have
been fifteen follow ups. Now, a lot Caros, You've said this,
and you said that, and you've said this, and you
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said that, and which is it. I just felt like
it was much more a spot treatment than the kind
of treatment he gives the GOP. But getting back the
reason you've so generously offered your time here, Ari, You've
studied this, you document it beautifully in this piece. I
hope everybody reads it on complete Colorado. But where do
you see this Democrat socialist movement in Colorado going?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I don't know. As I point out in part, it's
a reaction to Trump being in office.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I mean, if.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Kamala Harris had won, I don't think we would be
seeing the rise of the Democratic Socialists in New York
and in Colorado and elseware. So I don't know what's
going to happen. To me, it's scary. It's scary how
it could proceed. I mean, insofar as we're embracing those
kinds of policies, that means we're violating people's economic liberties,
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their rights, We're making it harder for people to produce
the wealth that our lives depend on. So it is
scary to me how it could go. I mean, you know,
it's not like the Marxist revolutionaries are banging down the gates.
Yet instead what we see is sort of an incremental,
ever increasing, a regimentation, which we're already seeing in the
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Colorado legislature, even by people who don't call themselves democratic socialists.
So I guess I fear that slow, just the slow march,
and more of the same, until business owners and property
owners and people who produce the wealth in our society
are so tangled up and choked up in red tape
that it's just our economy is going to start stalling out.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's I guess that's my most realistic worry. My hope
is that people will begin begin to articulate serious opposition
to these people, not only in terms of the anti semitism,
but just in terms of basic common sense economics, economic
liberties that have been central to our country since fur founding.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So, you know, my hope is that this.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
This reaction sparks a new reaction that's pro liberty, where democrats,
even and not all democrats are some democrats will call
themselves a capitalists, but it's to me shameful that some
people are embarrassed to say capitalism is good, whatever its flaws. Right,
and Jared Poulos is yeah, he has the praise capitalism.
(11:12):
I mean how serious they are is.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
A different question, right, And and remember Hickeloper famously on
with Joe Scarborough would not say he was a proud capitalist.
But Ari, so grateful for your time. I hope everybody
reads the piece. And how can people follow you?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well? Follow go to Complete Colorado dot com for everything
at complete I also have my personal website at Briomstrom
dot com.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And we.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Thank you, thank thank you, and thank you for the
great work. That's Ari Armstrong. Hey, when we come back,
ap has called it Victor Marx the GOP nominee, So
I want to get your reaction to that, and what
advice would you give to the Marx campaign now going
up against Phil Wiser. You're on the Dan Capitla show.
(12:02):
That's my kind of mand and that's a topic for
another day. She's talking about Graham platinir right, And it
just goes back to a GOP has to do a
better job of opening people's eyes to the reality of
the Democratic Party, this constant war on women waged by
the Democratic Party. They were very happy to have the
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Nazi tattoo bearing abuser of women be their Senate nominee
if he could win. The only reason they're dumping them
now and hauling out these other victim stories is, which
I appear to be true these other victim stories is
because he's polling poorly anyway, Big news of the afternoon
breaking news AP declaring Victor marks the winner in the
(12:44):
GOP primary. So we're talking about that, of course, and
is so many different interesting things to chew on there. First,
how do you think you want? What are the lessons
from that win? Like the long term lessons? Will barb
endors and will Scott endorse both during the primaries? They
would not? Will they?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Now?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Should they? And then what advice would you give to
the Marx campaign as it goes up against Steph phil Wiser? So, uh,
that is just a starting point. Any other piece of
this you want to talk about? Have added three or
three seven one three A two five five text d
A N five seven seven three nine. I'll get to
the text shortly. Let's start on the phone lines though,
(13:24):
Brian and Arvada, you're on the Dan kaplis so welcome, Hey.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Dan, who's going to run for the Independent? Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Greg Lopez?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think Greg's expected to be on the.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Ballase that's what I thought. I thought it was Greg Lopez.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
She seems like a better than inhum to honest, I
think I'm going to go for him.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I know. I mean, nobody Victor Mark's not going to
win prin.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
We can all rally behind Lopez. I mean, they're going
to come out with some bad stuff on Victor Mark.
He's work cooked with that guy already, so well stop
putting him in there.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Brian, Dan and I like Craig, and I enjoy having
Greg and Studios certainly, but we know no independent has
a shot to win.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Well, I don't know. I mean, we got to start somewhere.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
We gotta because this guy, Victor Marx, I mean, this
guy is shady.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
I just can't bring myself to vote for him. I mean,
I can't vote for Phil. You know, his fighting behind
the Bible all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
He's got.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
If I could get him one suggestion, just answer a
question when people ask them. Police don't say well, let's
all pray. Let's just pray. Don't worry about I mean,
the guy it's too phony. Remind me of somebody back
in the day. You'd wake up at like three in
the morning. They'd be some preacher on TV heel and people.
I mean, the guy is just shady. And then they asked, well,
(14:49):
how many people have you killed? And he goes, well,
since I've been an adult, okay, you're a little weird,
and he's suicidal homicidal. His daughter accused him of the
fews and are for seventeen years. Then the sun backed it.
Then the daughter said, well, no, I was just being
a kid or so, and the whole thing is just shady.
I just can't bring myself to vote for that guy.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So well, let me ask you, Brandon, do you at
this point? I know some people I really respect to
agree with everything you just said, But is your mind
open that does Victor have a chance to persuade you?
Because I think one of the challenges for Victor now
as the nominee is going out there and taking on
these questions that have been raised and meeting them head
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on and trying to persuade folks like you. Is your
mind open to persuasion?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I mean, it's always open to persuasion, Dan, But we've
been dealing with this guy for a while now and I.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Just don't see him change.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
And he's got to get rid of the hot'm hiding
behind the Bible and all this other stuff for a
lot of independence.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know, we all have different religions, different blyves. Some
believe in God in their own way, they don't have
to go to church or whatever.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
But it just seems like he doesn't seem I don't know,
he doesn't seem genuine, you know what I'm saying. He
gives me that Jim Jones vibe. You remember Jim Jones,
you know, don't drink the punch.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh yeah, no, no, I remember all of that.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, yeah, he just gives me that vibe. I hate
it that we have. We have this guy.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
It's hoping Barber get in there, but uh, you know,
it is what it is. People wanted him, I guess,
but as of now, I mean, I'll listen to everybody,
but as of now, it's going to be a Lopez.
I think he's a lot more grounded than all of them.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Brian appreciate the con and I think Brian's caused a
great way to start because you know, Victor, I think
his campaign masterfully scoped out the dynamics of the primary,
the numbers in the primary that very few unaffiliateds relatively
would be voting in the GOP primary because so much
action in the DEM and they just tailored their campaign
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to their core support, and Victor from his prior efforts
had significant core support coming in. So I think ran
that campaign brilliantly. Now, obviously, in a general, if there's
going to be a serious attempt to try to win
the general, then I think that the Marx campaign is
going to have to address the questions that Brian just
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laid out, because Brian isn't the only one with those questions.
And that's why I asked Brian if his mind is open,
because I think in the primary, the Marx campaign made
a decision that no, O, their time would be better spent,
you know, focused on their core group, and it paid
off for him. But in a general, now, you know,
will they go out and try to address the concerns
raised by Brian. So I do disagree with Brian when
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he says, and I'm paraphrasing, you know less faith. I
think one of the important positive messages to be taken
from Victor's campaign is listen, They're an awful lot of
faithful people in Colorado, including faithful Democrats, and I think
it's it's very important to talk about people voting consistent
with their faith, their core beliefs. Hey, lines of jam,
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we'll get to everybody. You're on the dan caplas, she'll
primary for governor. Let's go straight to our jam lines.
We'll start ladies first, Mary and Eerie. You're on the
dan caplash.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You'll welcome.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
I just have to say, as a conservative, I feel
like I wasted my vote because I really thought that
Barb Kirkmeyer had it pretty much wrapped up, so I
actually voted.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
I'm unaffiliated.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
I voted for Bennett's because I thought he would do
the least amount of harm. I was voting against Bill Weiser,
so if I would have known, I was.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I really am.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Disappointed in myself because since the.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Vote was so close, I wish I would have voted
for Barbara.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Hey, appreciate the call. I think a lot of people
probably did that, right. I think a lot of people
probably did that. But in the end, you know, give
the Marks campaign credit that they saw the dynam in
this race, that unaffiliated's lion's share we're going to vote
in the Democrat primary. They focused on their base. The
Marx campaign did and it was enough to win. So
what advice would you give them going forward? Is there
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a path to victory? What's the path to victory? Paul
in Denver here on the Dan Kaplis Show, Welcome.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
There's no path to victory for Victor Marx.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He's a tool.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I would not vote for him if he is running
for dog Catcher against Adolf Hitler. There's no way I
would vote for this guy. He's a liar, he's a cheater,
he's complete. Quickly, he's going to wreck the Republican Party.
I've already left the party because of him. I can't
stand him. The way he talked to Ryan in that
interview at Bull He's a complete joke.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Paul, appreciate the call. You know, it's a unique challenge
for the Marx campaign, right because toward the end of
the primary, I think most people agreed it had become
very polarized that Victor was either one of the most
admirable people to ever enter the political arena in Toronto,
orr he was a fraud. I think it's pretty polarized
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for most people, and so I think the challenge for
the Marx campaign now, having very impressibly won the primary
against a very very high quality opponent. Barb Kirkmeyer is,
how do they go out and you know the people
who feel as strongly as Paul. Yeah, they're probably not
going to be able to persuade those people. But does
the campaign go out and try to persuade, say Brian
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who called earlier with his list of concerns, because you
obviously have a core group that strongly believes in Victor Marx.
That's how he won the primary. Can you build on that?
Will there be an effort to build on that. It's
going to be fascinating to watch this roll out. Let's
go to Travis in Texas. You're on the Dan Kaplis,
sh'll welcome by Dan.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Actually Travis from.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Texash from Texas? Where you at now?
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Well, I've lived in Colorado for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
First, wonderful Dan.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
I want to thank you for all your supportive Catholic
charities in their ministries and Amy's volunteering. She my wife
volunteered at Little Hour and Life Closet. So thank you.
Honor's race. I'm gonna get behind Greg Lopez. There's just
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no way I can. I can stomach go. I call
him no show marks. A couple of weeks ago, I
went to the Colorado Cattleman's annual meeting. Wiser was there,
Kurt Meyer and Bottoms and Mark sent even bothered to
show up, and that was that was a natural forum
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for him, and he didn't want my vote. So there's
no way I could ever support him. Greg Lopez, I
think is a great He has a better chance than
Marx does.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Well.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Paul, thank you for your call and perspective and your
very kind words. And when Paul mentions Little Flower, it's
just one of the greatest operations I've ever seen. If
you're looking for a charity to support, and it is
supported by Catholic Charities of Denver, but it's also supported
by others. It's just phenomenal the work they do, and
(22:09):
Amy volunteers there, and just the in the trenches work
they do day in and day out. You know, people
who clothes and food and just the basics. So very
very worthy place for your hard earned dollars. If you're
looking for something to really really get down into the
nitty gritty and help people. Three out three Seve won
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three eight two five five d an five seven seven
three nine. Let me get to some text the news.
If you just joined us. Victor Marx declared the winner
in the governor's race, declared by ap Dan. I'm gravely
concerned about Marx's integrity, to the point I'm probably going
to vote for Greg Lopez in the hopes of sending
some kind of message to the state GOP. I've also
changed my registration from Republican ton affiliated for the first
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time in twenty years, so you can probably hear from
the first group of callers from the text, et cetera.
The Marx campaign brilliantly won the primary, but they faced
this unique challenge now because we've had very bitter primaries
in Colorado before, but Holtzmann, bou Prey maybe before your time.
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Hard to get much more better than that. But this
is a unique sense set of challenges that Victor faces.
So how would you advise his campaign to try to
address those concerns? Text Or Dan, Victor Marks won the
same way AOC one and how ma a lot Kiros
won questionable money and socialists. I don't buy that all.
(23:35):
I don't think Victor Marks won in any way, shape
or form because of socialists. No. I think that, you know,
it goes back to this whole idea which to me,
is very exciting of outsiders getting into you know, politics,
and they come in, you know, with their own accomplishments
outside and their own base of support. Now many have said, hey,
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Victor got that support through fraud, and others have said, no, no,
he's the real deal. And obviously you have a couple
hundred thousand people who believe he's the real deal, and
he won a primary that way. So he comes in
with this unique challenge of another group that is very
suspicious of whether it's for real or not. And so
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we've never seen this before in Colorado. Be very interesting
to see how the campaign decides to address it. If
they decide to address it, Texter Dan, I would advise
the Marx campaign to seek meeting with Trump on how
to fight straight uphill or even how to play best
play to lose? Now interesting? Do you think the Marx
campaign will ask the President to come to Colorado and
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campaign for him? Do you think the President would come
to Colorado in campaign for him? Thank you Texter for
raising that question. That's a darn good one.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Dad.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I tell Marx to be prepared to lose. You may
fall for his false prophet ps, but there's no way
he wins Colorado. Thank God. Let me address what's baked
into that. Every now and then I'll get a text.
Sometimes I'll get a lot saying, Dan, you've bought into this,
you believe it's all real, And my response is always
the same, But I'll say it again, and that is no,
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my mind is still open to what the truth is here.
And I hope that during the General that Victor addresses
this very directly and then we can drill down to
what the truth is. You know, is he all those
great things that his supporters believe and that he and
his ministry have said he is, or is he a fraud?
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Is his detractors claim? So I'm really hoping over the
course of the General he'll address these issues and we'll
get more facts on the table. Catch Dan thrilled that
Marks ran his campaign his way and finished the Bush
era republocrats. Interesting times had This is such an important text,
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right because we know there's this division in Colorado between
and labels are sloppy, but let's say grassroots and establishment,
and we know that just as basic math, you know,
the GOP cannot win statewide in Colorado without the GOP
candidates starting with a unified base, meaning both establishment and grassroots.
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So how do you bridge that. You're never going to
bridge it with everybody, right, but how do you bridge
that not just well enough, but almost completely? You know what,
would love your thoughts in that, because when you look
at a Barb Kirkmeyer I look at a Barb Kirkmeyer
as somebody who I think would have made a great
governor and impressive and accomplished in every office that she's held.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And so.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I would never look at somebody like that and say, oh,
because she might be viewed as establishment because she's held
all those offices that she's lesser now. At the same time, hey,
I don't think there's any taught about it, right that
an outsider an accomplished outsider. And I know people disagree
and whether Victor is at but but you know, hopefully
you'll be addressing that during the campaign. An accomplished outsider
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I think has an enormous edge right now over any insider.
And I think we saw that at play in this
primary as well. And I get that that's no reflection
on barbering anybody else, but I get why people would say,
you know what, I just tended to fault to somebody
accomplished outside of politics, bring your skill in, let's get
some fresh blood, et cetera. So I don't think there's
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any doubt that outsider versus insider outsiders have the edge.
Now three or three sevene three, eight, two five five.
Will come back to our gam lines. Everybody on the line.
I'll get you on air in our last segment. You're
on the Dan Caplis Show. People reacting to the AP
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calling the race for Victor Marx Andrea in Denver. You're
on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
Welcome, Hi Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
What are you thinking?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (27:59):
I just think it's really important that the Conservatives unite.
And there's just been so much nonsense the last few
months of lies and slander and gossip and things that
nobody can prove. And you know, there's so many emotions
in this that it's just crazy. But we really need
to unite or it's going to be feel wiser. And
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just the fact that Craig Lopez is trying to run
is going to split the vote. So there's no reason
to be upset with Victor if you don't like him.
But you know, I think Victor is more focused on
running his campaign and winning instead of being you know,
making everybody happy and showing up everywhere, he focused on
winning and his strategy apparently worked. So you know, I'm
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going to be vote, you know, voting for him in
the general for sure. I'm not going to be voting
for pH and I'm not going to be voting for
somebody who's trying to split the vote. I feel like
at the debate, Barb and Scott made it abundantly clear
that they would not back up Victor if he won.
And to me, that's ridiculous and despicable because they're not
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backing up their party and they're not a team player.
So that tells me they care more about them than
they do about the state of Colorado and all of
us who are paying ridiculous property taxes running business and
the whole nine yards.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Andrew, I didn't mean to cut you off. Thank you,
and thank you for the very articulate case you made there.
I just have jam lines who want to get everybody
in Tyler and for Collins. You're under Dan Kapla show
welcome Dan.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, exactly what she just said.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
And I'll add to that, this state has had two
nominees in mine to get to this point, and they
knew that either one was the same scenario. And the
Democrats have got this place so darn lock down that
it doesn't matter what happens. And now we have a
scenario where I'm watching the so called conservatives of this
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place forceilly allowing this thing to get handed over to
them under their own purity test, justin to listen to
these people sit here and talk about I can't I
can't believe this.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I can't believe that.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Dude, you got to play to win in this thing,
and people out there listening are going to let it
slip away.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Watch Tyler appreciate the call. Thank you, my friend, John
and Parker. You're on the Dan Kapla show. Welcome.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Hey Dan, I've been a loyal listener and you've stated
multiple times I don't endorse anybody until after the primary. Well,
now you know your listenership is waiting here if so
or not so? And why so? Where do you stand?
You keep asking about everybody? Where do you stand?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Fair question? My friend. I want to support Victor Marx.
I really want to support Victor Marks. There are two
things I have to know first, because I evaluate every
vote by this test. John, I'm going to have to
answer to God for every vote I cast. We all are,
and so there are two things I need answered from
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Victor Marx before I can in good conscience vote for him.
I would obviously never vote for Phil Wiser. I don't
think anybody could morally vote for Phil Wiser, and I
certainly wouldn't. But here are the two things John. First
of all, I need to know clearly where Victor's at
on abortion, because unless somebody is clearly pro life, I
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can't cast my vote for them. Second, I need the answer.
I need the answer to whether Victor's story is true
or not, because if Victor is what he says he is,
he's one of the most admirable people to ever run
in Colorado. If Victor's accusers are right and he lied
to take money from Christians, I couldn't vote for him.
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So that's where I met my friend. I think Victor
and his team did a brilliant job of winning the primary,
but I think if they want to have any hope
of being competitive in the general, the burden is on
them now to come out and address these fair questions.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah, and I agree with you, but you know, and
I respect your professional career but you're on public radio
here and you have the resources to have investigated and
made a decision one way or the other. I mean
this neutral posture that you've held for through the primary.
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I get it, fine, I'll agree with it, but at
some point you have to make a defining line and
make a public announcement as to what you're going to do,
which you're.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Right, and that's exactly what I'm doing right now. You
asked me a very fair, direct question about Okay, where
do you stand? And I just laid it out to you.
That is the process that I'm going through right now.
And I would ask you, because you're obviously a smart,
thoughtful guy, is am I missing anything in the way
I'm approaching this.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Well?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I would say that there's definitely questions, yes, But at
some point, there's no election ever that happens where you
have a perfect choice, right, you have to select the
best over the evil right, and at that point you
may not agree. I would say abortion is a deal
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killer for me too, so we need to hear from
him on that. But past that, we're all imperfect people
and we're all going to be blated, you know, at
death with our own sins. But I mean, Victor definitely
is a better choice than Phil and I support him
for that reason, and I don't have to wait to
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figure all that out.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Hey, John, you just said so many smart things there,
because I agree with you completely that none of us
are perfect, and any candidate the GOP could have put forward,
any candidate in Colorado history, is going to have their flaws,
big mistakes and their weaknesses, and perfection should never be
our test, particularly when the Democrat is supporting absolutely wicked,
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wicked things. So I'm with you completely, and that's why
I started by saying I want to support Victor, and
to me, it's not going to be a disqualifier if
he made some mistakes, if he exaggerated some things, that's
not going to be a disqualifier because every candidate is
going to have their flaws. The only things that in
my mind would disqualify Victor is number one is if
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he isn't pro life, and it just needs some clear
answers on that. And then number two, if it goes
beyond the normal kind of flaws and mistakes that we
all have. And I'm not saying it does at all,
but but you know, he has been accused, you know
by an awful lot of people, including people in the
race of blind Christians, to defraud them out of money.
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I'm not accusing him of that. I'm not accus he's
done I'm not concluding that he's done that. But I
do think we need to have those accusations taken head on,
and I think the responsibility now is on Victor. They
were brilliant in the primary, and credit to them for winning.
They had a plan, they worked it, they won. But
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I think the burdens on him to unify in the general,
and I hope he does
And Victor Marx just won the GOP primary for governor
in Colorado. That's been declared by AP and it appears
for very good reason, and we'll be talking about that
and great depth starting in a few minutes here. So
many questions obviously, right, Okay, how did Victor win? What
are the lessons to be taken from it? Will Barbindorsa,
Will Scott Indorsem, what advice would you give to the
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Marx campaign now going forward against Phil Wiser? So lots
to talk about there. Wall Street Journal reporting that Israel
has given the US actionable intelligence that Iran has a
new plan to kill President Trump, and we had talked
about the president's concern about that yesterday and some detail
we'll expand on that. But so grateful to be able
to go to the VIP line and welcome Ari Armstrong
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from Complete Colorado. A wonderful piece. I hope everybody reads it,
because a radio interview cannot do it justice. It's titled
Inside the Democratic Socialist Fantasy Land of Malotte kiros Ari.
Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Hey, thanks for having me on and thanks for the
plug for the article.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh well, it is well deserved. My friend, and could
you please give folks an overview of it? I mean,
there's no way. One of the things I love is
you pack it full of so much detail that there's
no way a summary can capture it. But just give
people a peak and then hopefully everybody will go to
Complete Colorado and read it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, thankfully, I'm not limited to the usual some one
hundred and fifty words.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So a lot of what I do.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And previously I talked about a lot Kiros's comments about
Israel and terror. So this new piece is talking about
her views on democratic socialism, and so I'll just highlight
a few of the things she says. A lot of
what she talks about is that she just wants to
expand the welfare state dramatically. It's the classic cradle to
grave care by the government that you've heard of. And
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part of her argument I think it's kind of silly,
but this is her argument. She says, well, look, government
already spends money on things like protection, public schools, so on,
so we already have socialism in that respect. So she's
basically think, so therefore, why not we spend money on
more things. So she's basically saying anything government does is
already socialism, which I think is a pretty silly argument,
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but you can see why retires.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
She makes it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
And then then she has this line where, well, people
should be able to pursue their passions whether or not
they are making any money to support themselves. And my
thought is, well, if you want, if you want to
pursue your passion, spear out a way to make a
living doing that, or treat it.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
As a hobby like many people do.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
But if you're just going to do whatever you want
at other people's expense, that is passion by theft. In
my brief response, and so I'm basically just trying to
go through what it is she actually believes as a
Democratic socialist, self proclaimed right, it's not like this is
hidden her subtle. She brags about being endorsed by Democratic
Socialists of America, and you know, so she's not like
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hiding from this or that. In the Senate race, there
was some question as whether Julie Gonzalez was actually a
Democratic Socialist.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But well, well that's a.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Great hiding, that's a great point, Arie Armstrong, our guest,
I'm sure of two things.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Melac Carros is sitting there kicking herself because she knows
if she had run against Hickenlooper, she would have beat
him because Julie Gonzalez, you know who, as far as
I could tell, didn't have any funding, didn't have much
of a campaign. Julie Gonzalez came within five five and
a half points of hicken Looper, and Gonzalez tried to
go backwards and being a Democrat socialist, she said, yeah,
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I was in the past, but not now. Maybe if
Gonzales had run as a full throated, double middle finger socialist,
she would have beat Hickenlooper.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not straight the way. I mean,
Denver certainly is not the same demographically as the state
as a whole. And certainly, you know, if malat kiros
Or or Julie Gonzalez had won the Senate primary, that
would be a whole different ballgame come the general election
versus the Democratic excuse me, versus the Denver area. So
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I'm not sure about that. But it is interesting how
for a while some people were kind of running away
from the Democratic socialis cycle, but now that doesn't seem
to be the case. All they're running for it as
fast as they can.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Oh. Yeah, being privately.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Endorsing there, announcing their endorsement VI Bernie Sanders, probably becoming
their membership in the d essay, these sort of things,
in some cases in New York, even going so far
as they call for the nationalization of the airline industry.
So that's like classic socialism when you're calling for nationalization
of the means of production.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And that's one of the things I thought Area is
so valuable about your piece and complete Colorado because you
really get into the detail of Okay, how does malak
Kiros define socialism, her brand of socialism compared to say,
you know, the Soviet Union or maw et cetera. How
would you sum that up? How she defined socialism?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, I think that the DSA crowd is intentionally trying
to make it as big as possible so that you
can't nail them down. And one of the points I
make in my article is, you know, I'm old enough
to remember the Cold War, even though the Cuban missile
crisis was before my time. That feels very real to
me as a real threat to our nation and to
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global peace. But a lot of younger people don't have
as a direct memory of the Cold War, And so
I think it's easier for them to forget some of
the twentieth century socialist atrocities, and that it is for
people who lived through at least part of that history.
But so is it classic socialism in terms of let's
nationalize the means of production?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Maybe, except they do talk a lot about well, we
need democratic control of business.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well what does that mean.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Does that mean that you can just vote first additional
regulations on the margin, What does it mean you can say, well,
you know, look, use this business, you own resources, but
we vote that we own it now and you don't.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
I love that point you make in your peace. I
love that point you make in your piece because you
know that that's another one of their dishonest maneuvers. Oh,
we're for democratic control, right, So okay, we're going to
vote to take Ari's money and give it to Zach. Right,
that's their idea of democratic control. And I love the
way you go after this, this preposterous starting point of
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hers that hey, we're already socialists because we have roads
and schools. I mean, she must think people are absolute idiots.
The difference between just basic infrastructure and an economic system.
But she must think people are idiots because I don't
think she's an idiot. I think she's a smart person
who has decided to pursue some very bad things, and
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she's decided to pursue it for her own reasons. Whether
we're talking about the anti Semitism, whether we're talking about
this socialist stuff that has failed everywhere, I think she's
a smart person who's decided to do bad things.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
She is a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
She did work in a top law firm in the
New York area, which she brags about getting fired from
for political or political stances. So it's no doubt she
is very smart. If you watch her nine News for
extended nine News interview with Kyle Clark, she comes across
as usually very articulate, even though she clams up on
some of the questions that you think would be very obvious,
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like hey, was a firebombing and Boulder and active anti
Semitic terror? She couldn't quite answer that question clearly for
some reason. But for the most part, you can tell
she's well put together, articulate, very very comfortable talking about
her policies, and she can give these superficial answers that
sound nice until you actually think through what you're saying
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and what the implications are. Well, it does take that
extra step right.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
In speaking of that Kyle Clark interview of Milt Kiros,
I hope this is a new standard now where I
hope Republicans can get the same Conservatives can get the
same soothing treatment in their interviews with Kyle Clark that
he gave the Socialist. You know what I mean. It
seems a Republican should be entitled to that.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
But yeah, well, I don't know. I thought that he smooth, yes,
but he also asked some very pointed questions I thought so,
for example, his follow up on well, do you also
think that nine to eleven was basically the fault of
US policy? Yeah, that's pretty hard hard at his question
in my book. So I don't know, you can you
can argue about that?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, and I know and I know where you didn't
come on to talk about that. But the only thing
I'd say there is, yeah, but if that had been
a conservative spewing such vile and such garbage, there would
have been fifteen Because Kyle's very smart and talented. You
saw him on Lesha on Victor Marx, there would have
been fifteen follow ups. Now, a lot Caros, You've said this,
and you said that, and you've said this, and you
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said that, and which is it. I just felt like
it was much more a spot treatment than the kind
of treatment he gives the GOP. But getting back the
reason you've so generously offered your time here, Ari, You've
studied this, you document it beautifully in this piece. I
hope everybody reads it on complete Colorado. But where do
you see this Democrat socialist movement in Colorado going?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I don't know. As I point out in part, it's
a reaction to Trump being in office.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I mean, if.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Kamala Harris had won, I don't think we would be
seeing the rise of the Democratic Socialists in New York
and in Colorado and elseware. So I don't know what's
going to happen. To me, it's scary. It's scary how
it could proceed. I mean, insofar as we're embracing those
kinds of policies, that means we're violating people's economic liberties,
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their rights, We're making it harder for people to produce
the wealth that our lives depend on. So it is
scary to me how it could go. I mean, you know,
it's not like the Marxist revolutionaries are banging down the gates.
Yet instead what we see is sort of an incremental,
ever increasing, a regimentation, which we're already seeing in the
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Colorado legislature, even by people who don't call themselves democratic socialists.
So I guess I fear that slow, just the slow march,
and more of the same, until business owners and property
owners and people who produce the wealth in our society
are so tangled up and choked up in red tape
that it's just our economy is going to start stalling out.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
That's I guess that's my most realistic worry. My hope
is that people will begin begin to articulate serious opposition
to these people, not only in terms of the anti semitism,
but just in terms of basic common sense economics, economic
liberties that have been central to our country since fur founding.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So, you know, my hope is that this.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
This reaction sparks a new reaction that's pro liberty, where democrats,
even and not all democrats are some democrats will call
themselves a capitalists, but it's to me shameful that some
people are embarrassed to say capitalism is good, whatever its flaws. Right,
and Jared Poulos is yeah, he has the praise capitalism.
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I mean how serious they are is.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
A different question, right, And and remember Hickeloper famously on
with Joe Scarborough would not say he was a proud capitalist.
But Ari, so grateful for your time. I hope everybody
reads the piece. And how can people follow you?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well? Follow go to Complete Colorado dot com for everything
at complete I also have my personal website at Briomstrom
dot com.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And we.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Thank you, thank thank you, and thank you for the
great work. That's Ari Armstrong. Hey, when we come back,
ap has called it Victor Marx the GOP nominee, So
I want to get your reaction to that, and what
advice would you give to the Marx campaign now going
up against Phil Wiser. You're on the Dan Capitla show.
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That's my kind of mand and that's a topic for
another day. She's talking about Graham platinir right, And it
just goes back to a GOP has to do a
better job of opening people's eyes to the reality of
the Democratic Party, this constant war on women waged by
the Democratic Party. They were very happy to have the
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Nazi tattoo bearing abuser of women be their Senate nominee
if he could win. The only reason they're dumping them
now and hauling out these other victim stories is, which
I appear to be true these other victim stories is
because he's polling poorly anyway, Big news of the afternoon
breaking news AP declaring Victor marks the winner in the
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GOP primary. So we're talking about that, of course, and
is so many different interesting things to chew on there. First,
how do you think you want? What are the lessons
from that win? Like the long term lessons? Will barb
endors and will Scott endorse both during the primaries? They
would not? Will they?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Now?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Should they? And then what advice would you give to
the Marx campaign as it goes up against Steph phil Wiser? So, uh,
that is just a starting point. Any other piece of
this you want to talk about? Have added three or
three seven one three A two five five text d
A N five seven seven three nine. I'll get to
the text shortly. Let's start on the phone lines though,
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Brian and Arvada, you're on the Dan kaplis so welcome, Hey.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Dan, who's going to run for the Independent? Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Greg Lopez?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Right?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think Greg's expected to be on the.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Ballase that's what I thought. I thought it was Greg Lopez.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
She seems like a better than inhum to honest, I
think I'm going to go for him.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I know. I mean, nobody Victor Mark's not going to
win prin.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
We can all rally behind Lopez. I mean, they're going
to come out with some bad stuff on Victor Mark.
He's work cooked with that guy already, so well stop
putting him in there.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Brian, Dan and I like Craig, and I enjoy having
Greg and Studios certainly, but we know no independent has
a shot to win.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Well, I don't know. I mean, we got to start somewhere.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
We gotta because this guy, Victor Marx, I mean, this
guy is shady.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
I just can't bring myself to vote for him. I mean,
I can't vote for Phil. You know, his fighting behind
the Bible all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
He's got.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
If I could get him one suggestion, just answer a
question when people ask them. Police don't say well, let's
all pray. Let's just pray. Don't worry about I mean,
the guy it's too phony. Remind me of somebody back
in the day. You'd wake up at like three in
the morning. They'd be some preacher on TV heel and people.
I mean, the guy is just shady. And then they asked, well,
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how many people have you killed? And he goes, well,
since I've been an adult, okay, you're a little weird,
and he's suicidal homicidal. His daughter accused him of the
fews and are for seventeen years. Then the sun backed it.
Then the daughter said, well, no, I was just being
a kid or so, and the whole thing is just shady.
I just can't bring myself to vote for that guy.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So well, let me ask you, Brandon, do you at
this point? I know some people I really respect to
agree with everything you just said, But is your mind
open that does Victor have a chance to persuade you?
Because I think one of the challenges for Victor now
as the nominee is going out there and taking on
these questions that have been raised and meeting them head
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on and trying to persuade folks like you. Is your
mind open to persuasion?
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I mean, it's always open to persuasion, Dan, But we've
been dealing with this guy for a while now and I.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Just don't see him change.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
And he's got to get rid of the hot'm hiding
behind the Bible and all this other stuff for a
lot of independence.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You know, we all have different religions, different blyves. Some
believe in God in their own way, they don't have
to go to church or whatever.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
But it just seems like he doesn't seem I don't know,
he doesn't seem genuine, you know what I'm saying. He
gives me that Jim Jones vibe. You remember Jim Jones,
you know, don't drink the punch.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Oh yeah, no, no, I remember all of that.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, yeah, he just gives me that vibe. I hate
it that we have. We have this guy.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
It's hoping Barber get in there, but uh, you know,
it is what it is. People wanted him, I guess,
but as of now, I mean, I'll listen to everybody,
but as of now, it's going to be a Lopez.
I think he's a lot more grounded than all of them.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Brian appreciate the con and I think Brian's caused a
great way to start because you know, Victor, I think
his campaign masterfully scoped out the dynamics of the primary,
the numbers in the primary that very few unaffiliateds relatively
would be voting in the GOP primary because so much
action in the DEM and they just tailored their campaign
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to their core support, and Victor from his prior efforts
had significant core support coming in. So I think ran
that campaign brilliantly. Now, obviously, in a general, if there's
going to be a serious attempt to try to win
the general, then I think that the Marx campaign is
going to have to address the questions that Brian just
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laid out, because Brian isn't the only one with those questions.
And that's why I asked Brian if his mind is open,
because I think in the primary, the Marx campaign made
a decision that no, O, their time would be better spent,
you know, focused on their core group, and it paid
off for him. But in a general, now, you know,
will they go out and try to address the concerns
raised by Brian. So I do disagree with Brian when
(17:37):
he says, and I'm paraphrasing, you know less faith. I
think one of the important positive messages to be taken
from Victor's campaign is listen, They're an awful lot of
faithful people in Colorado, including faithful Democrats, and I think
it's it's very important to talk about people voting consistent
with their faith, their core beliefs. Hey, lines of jam,
(17:59):
we'll get to everybody. You're on the dan caplas, she'll
primary for governor. Let's go straight to our jam lines.
We'll start ladies first, Mary and Eerie. You're on the
dan caplash.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
You'll welcome.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
I just have to say, as a conservative, I feel
like I wasted my vote because I really thought that
Barb Kirkmeyer had it pretty much wrapped up, so I
actually voted.
Speaker 7 (18:31):
I'm unaffiliated.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
I voted for Bennett's because I thought he would do
the least amount of harm. I was voting against Bill Weiser,
so if I would have known, I was.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I really am.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Disappointed in myself because since the.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
Vote was so close, I wish I would have voted
for Barbara.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Hey, appreciate the call. I think a lot of people
probably did that, right. I think a lot of people
probably did that. But in the end, you know, give
the Marks campaign credit that they saw the dynam in
this race, that unaffiliated's lion's share we're going to vote
in the Democrat primary. They focused on their base. The
Marx campaign did and it was enough to win. So
what advice would you give them going forward? Is there
(19:12):
a path to victory? What's the path to victory? Paul
in Denver here on the Dan Kaplis Show, Welcome.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
There's no path to victory for Victor Marx.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
He's a tool.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
I would not vote for him if he is running
for dog Catcher against Adolf Hitler. There's no way I
would vote for this guy. He's a liar, he's a cheater,
he's complete. Quickly, he's going to wreck the Republican Party.
I've already left the party because of him. I can't
stand him. The way he talked to Ryan in that
interview at Bull He's a complete joke.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Paul, appreciate the call. You know, it's a unique challenge
for the Marx campaign, right because toward the end of
the primary, I think most people agreed it had become
very polarized that Victor was either one of the most
admirable people to ever enter the political arena in Toronto,
orr he was a fraud. I think it's pretty polarized
(20:03):
for most people, and so I think the challenge for
the Marx campaign now, having very impressibly won the primary
against a very very high quality opponent. Barb Kirkmeyer is,
how do they go out and you know the people
who feel as strongly as Paul. Yeah, they're probably not
going to be able to persuade those people. But does
the campaign go out and try to persuade, say Brian
(20:24):
who called earlier with his list of concerns, because you
obviously have a core group that strongly believes in Victor Marx.
That's how he won the primary. Can you build on that?
Will there be an effort to build on that. It's
going to be fascinating to watch this roll out. Let's
go to Travis in Texas. You're on the Dan Kaplis,
sh'll welcome by Dan.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
Actually Travis from.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Texash from Texas? Where you at now?
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Well, I've lived in Colorado for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
First, wonderful Dan.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
I want to thank you for all your supportive Catholic
charities in their ministries and Amy's volunteering. She my wife
volunteered at Little Hour and Life Closet. So thank you.
Honor's race. I'm gonna get behind Greg Lopez. There's just
(21:15):
no way I can. I can stomach go. I call
him no show marks. A couple of weeks ago, I
went to the Colorado Cattleman's annual meeting. Wiser was there,
Kurt Meyer and Bottoms and Mark sent even bothered to
show up, and that was that was a natural forum
(21:38):
for him, and he didn't want my vote. So there's
no way I could ever support him. Greg Lopez, I
think is a great He has a better chance than
Marx does.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Well.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Paul, thank you for your call and perspective and your
very kind words. And when Paul mentions Little Flower, it's
just one of the greatest operations I've ever seen. If
you're looking for a charity to support, and it is
supported by Catholic Charities of Denver, but it's also supported
by others. It's just phenomenal the work they do, and
(22:09):
Amy volunteers there, and just the in the trenches work
they do day in and day out. You know, people
who clothes and food and just the basics. So very
very worthy place for your hard earned dollars. If you're
looking for something to really really get down into the
nitty gritty and help people. Three out three Seve won
(22:31):
three eight two five five d an five seven seven
three nine. Let me get to some text the news.
If you just joined us. Victor Marx declared the winner
in the governor's race, declared by ap Dan. I'm gravely
concerned about Marx's integrity, to the point I'm probably going
to vote for Greg Lopez in the hopes of sending
some kind of message to the state GOP. I've also
changed my registration from Republican ton affiliated for the first
(22:54):
time in twenty years, so you can probably hear from
the first group of callers from the text, et cetera.
The Marx campaign brilliantly won the primary, but they faced
this unique challenge now because we've had very bitter primaries
in Colorado before, but Holtzmann, bou Prey maybe before your time.
(23:15):
Hard to get much more better than that. But this
is a unique sense set of challenges that Victor faces.
So how would you advise his campaign to try to
address those concerns? Text Or Dan, Victor Marks won the
same way AOC one and how ma a lot Kiros
won questionable money and socialists. I don't buy that all.
(23:35):
I don't think Victor Marks won in any way, shape
or form because of socialists. No. I think that, you know,
it goes back to this whole idea which to me,
is very exciting of outsiders getting into you know, politics,
and they come in, you know, with their own accomplishments
outside and their own base of support. Now many have said, hey,
(23:56):
Victor got that support through fraud, and others have said, no, no,
he's the real deal. And obviously you have a couple
hundred thousand people who believe he's the real deal, and
he won a primary that way. So he comes in
with this unique challenge of another group that is very
suspicious of whether it's for real or not. And so
(24:18):
we've never seen this before in Colorado. Be very interesting
to see how the campaign decides to address it. If
they decide to address it, Texter Dan, I would advise
the Marx campaign to seek meeting with Trump on how
to fight straight uphill or even how to play best
play to lose? Now interesting? Do you think the Marx
campaign will ask the President to come to Colorado and
(24:40):
campaign for him? Do you think the President would come
to Colorado in campaign for him? Thank you Texter for
raising that question. That's a darn good one.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Dad.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I tell Marx to be prepared to lose. You may
fall for his false prophet ps, but there's no way
he wins Colorado. Thank God. Let me address what's baked
into that. Every now and then I'll get a text.
Sometimes I'll get a lot saying, Dan, you've bought into this,
you believe it's all real, And my response is always
the same, But I'll say it again, and that is no,
(25:13):
my mind is still open to what the truth is here.
And I hope that during the General that Victor addresses
this very directly and then we can drill down to
what the truth is. You know, is he all those
great things that his supporters believe and that he and
his ministry have said he is, or is he a fraud?
(25:35):
Is his detractors claim? So I'm really hoping over the
course of the General he'll address these issues and we'll
get more facts on the table. Catch Dan thrilled that
Marks ran his campaign his way and finished the Bush
era republocrats. Interesting times had This is such an important text,
(25:55):
right because we know there's this division in Colorado between
and labels are sloppy, but let's say grassroots and establishment,
and we know that just as basic math, you know,
the GOP cannot win statewide in Colorado without the GOP
candidates starting with a unified base, meaning both establishment and grassroots.
(26:17):
So how do you bridge that. You're never going to
bridge it with everybody, right, but how do you bridge
that not just well enough, but almost completely? You know what,
would love your thoughts in that, because when you look
at a Barb Kirkmeyer I look at a Barb Kirkmeyer
as somebody who I think would have made a great
governor and impressive and accomplished in every office that she's held.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And so.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I would never look at somebody like that and say, oh,
because she might be viewed as establishment because she's held
all those offices that she's lesser now. At the same time, hey,
I don't think there's any taught about it, right that
an outsider an accomplished outsider. And I know people disagree
and whether Victor is at but but you know, hopefully
you'll be addressing that during the campaign. An accomplished outsider
(27:06):
I think has an enormous edge right now over any insider.
And I think we saw that at play in this
primary as well. And I get that that's no reflection
on barbering anybody else, but I get why people would say,
you know what, I just tended to fault to somebody
accomplished outside of politics, bring your skill in, let's get
some fresh blood, et cetera. So I don't think there's
(27:27):
any doubt that outsider versus insider outsiders have the edge.
Now three or three sevene three, eight, two five five.
Will come back to our gam lines. Everybody on the line.
I'll get you on air in our last segment. You're
on the Dan Caplis Show. People reacting to the AP
(27:48):
calling the race for Victor Marx Andrea in Denver. You're
on the Dan Caplis Show.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
Welcome, Hi Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
What are you thinking?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (27:59):
I just think it's really important that the Conservatives unite.
And there's just been so much nonsense the last few
months of lies and slander and gossip and things that
nobody can prove. And you know, there's so many emotions
in this that it's just crazy. But we really need
to unite or it's going to be feel wiser. And
(28:19):
just the fact that Craig Lopez is trying to run
is going to split the vote. So there's no reason
to be upset with Victor if you don't like him.
But you know, I think Victor is more focused on
running his campaign and winning instead of being you know,
making everybody happy and showing up everywhere, he focused on
winning and his strategy apparently worked. So you know, I'm
(28:41):
going to be vote, you know, voting for him in
the general for sure. I'm not going to be voting
for pH and I'm not going to be voting for
somebody who's trying to split the vote. I feel like
at the debate, Barb and Scott made it abundantly clear
that they would not back up Victor if he won.
And to me, that's ridiculous and despicable because they're not
(29:02):
backing up their party and they're not a team player.
So that tells me they care more about them than
they do about the state of Colorado and all of
us who are paying ridiculous property taxes running business and
the whole nine yards.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Andrew, I didn't mean to cut you off. Thank you,
and thank you for the very articulate case you made there.
I just have jam lines who want to get everybody
in Tyler and for Collins. You're under Dan Kapla show
welcome Dan.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, exactly what she just said.
Speaker 9 (29:30):
And I'll add to that, this state has had two
nominees in mine to get to this point, and they
knew that either one was the same scenario. And the
Democrats have got this place so darn lock down that
it doesn't matter what happens. And now we have a
scenario where I'm watching the so called conservatives of this
(29:50):
place forceilly allowing this thing to get handed over to
them under their own purity test, justin to listen to
these people sit here and talk about I can't I
can't believe this.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I can't believe that.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Dude, you got to play to win in this thing,
and people out there listening are going to let it
slip away.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Watch Tyler appreciate the call. Thank you, my friend, John
and Parker. You're on the Dan Kapla show. Welcome.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Hey Dan, I've been a loyal listener and you've stated
multiple times I don't endorse anybody until after the primary. Well,
now you know your listenership is waiting here if so
or not so? And why so? Where do you stand?
You keep asking about everybody? Where do you stand?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Fair question? My friend. I want to support Victor Marx.
I really want to support Victor Marks. There are two
things I have to know first, because I evaluate every
vote by this test. John, I'm going to have to
answer to God for every vote I cast. We all are,
and so there are two things I need answered from
(31:00):
Victor Marx before I can in good conscience vote for him.
I would obviously never vote for Phil Wiser. I don't
think anybody could morally vote for Phil Wiser, and I
certainly wouldn't. But here are the two things John. First
of all, I need to know clearly where Victor's at
on abortion, because unless somebody is clearly pro life, I
(31:24):
can't cast my vote for them. Second, I need the answer.
I need the answer to whether Victor's story is true
or not, because if Victor is what he says he is,
he's one of the most admirable people to ever run
in Colorado. If Victor's accusers are right and he lied
to take money from Christians, I couldn't vote for him.
(31:48):
So that's where I met my friend. I think Victor
and his team did a brilliant job of winning the primary,
but I think if they want to have any hope
of being competitive in the general, the burden is on
them now to come out and address these fair questions.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
Yeah, and I agree with you, but you know, and
I respect your professional career but you're on public radio
here and you have the resources to have investigated and
made a decision one way or the other. I mean
this neutral posture that you've held for through the primary.
(32:26):
I get it, fine, I'll agree with it, but at
some point you have to make a defining line and
make a public announcement as to what you're going to do,
which you're.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Right, and that's exactly what I'm doing right now. You
asked me a very fair, direct question about Okay, where
do you stand? And I just laid it out to you.
That is the process that I'm going through right now.
And I would ask you, because you're obviously a smart,
thoughtful guy, is am I missing anything in the way
I'm approaching this.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Well?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
I would say that there's definitely questions, yes, But at
some point, there's no election ever that happens where you
have a perfect choice, right, you have to select the
best over the evil right, and at that point you
may not agree. I would say abortion is a deal
(33:22):
killer for me too, so we need to hear from
him on that. But past that, we're all imperfect people
and we're all going to be blated, you know, at
death with our own sins. But I mean, Victor definitely
is a better choice than Phil and I support him
for that reason, and I don't have to wait to
(33:44):
figure all that out.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Hey, John, you just said so many smart things there,
because I agree with you completely that none of us
are perfect, and any candidate the GOP could have put forward,
any candidate in Colorado history, is going to have their flaws,
big mistakes and their weaknesses, and perfection should never be
our test, particularly when the Democrat is supporting absolutely wicked,
(34:10):
wicked things. So I'm with you completely, and that's why
I started by saying I want to support Victor, and
to me, it's not going to be a disqualifier if
he made some mistakes, if he exaggerated some things, that's
not going to be a disqualifier because every candidate is
going to have their flaws. The only things that in
my mind would disqualify Victor is number one is if
(34:33):
he isn't pro life, and it just needs some clear
answers on that. And then number two, if it goes
beyond the normal kind of flaws and mistakes that we
all have. And I'm not saying it does at all,
but but you know, he has been accused, you know
by an awful lot of people, including people in the
race of blind Christians, to defraud them out of money.
(34:58):
I'm not accusing him of that. I'm not accus he's
done I'm not concluding that he's done that. But I
do think we need to have those accusations taken head on,
and I think the responsibility now is on Victor. They
were brilliant in the primary, and credit to them for winning.
They had a plan, they worked it, they won. But
(35:19):
I think the burdens on him to unify in the general,
and I hope he does
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