May 22, 2026 • 35 mins
This week on the Dan Caplis Show, Erin Lee fills in for Dan and dives into the world of protecting kids from the dangers of gender ideology and medical transition. As a mom who's been through the trenches, Erin shares her personal story of how her 12-year-old daughter was secretly recruited into a gender and sexuality club disguised as an art club, and the devastating consequences that followed.
Erindiscusses the importance of protecting kids from the harm caused by these secret school transitions, and the need for parents to be vigilant and aware of what's happening in their child's school. She also talks about the recent passing of the Protect Kids Act in the House, which aims to prevent these secret transitions and give parents more control over their child's education.
The episode also features a powerful conversation with Dr. Travis Morrell, a Colorado doctor who's been fighting against the medical transition of minors. He shares his expertise on the dangers of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, and the long-term effects they can have on a child's physical and emotional well-being. Erin and Dr. Morrell also discuss the importance of extending the statute of limitations for minors who've been harmed by these procedures, so they can seek justice and compensation later in life.
If you're concerned about the well-being of your child and want to learn more about this critical issue, tune in to this episode of the Dan Caplis Show to hear Erin's story, Dr. Morrell's expertise, and the latest updates on the Protect Kids Act.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Friday. It is a beautiful seventy and sunny Colorado day
rolling into Memorial Day weekend. I'm Aaron Lee filling in
for Dan Kaplis today. Thank you for joining us. Well,
it has been quite a week. I don't know about
any other parents out there, but we did it. We
made it through the school year. All three of my
kids wrapped up their school year. Actually, Ryan, I think
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you saw this. My youngest graduated pre school. Oh my goodness,
the picture which I keep private on my private page,
but he graduated preschool. I have one who graduated elementary school.
And then I have my daughter who is the brave, amazing,
beautiful overcomer who got through the art club scenario, is
going into her senior year this year.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
No way, Yes, so I've got quite a spread.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How old do you feel?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Now?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Very old?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
But we were young, We were young parents, and I
do still have this little preschooler now kindergartener who's keeping
me young. I just want to congratulate all the parents
out there who made it through the school year, and
I hope you have a long RESTful summer before it's
start to get in a few months.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
So wait a minute for a parent here because I
can't relate. I am still that guy. But how do
you get through the summer months knowing that you cannot
ship them off to school?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And now they have sports, they have other activities lined up.
What do you do with them? Send to the vacation
Bible School? What's going on there?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, Vacation Bible School is a great option. They do
a lot of lessons and camps and clubs. And my
daughter has a job now so old. She drives and
has a boyfriend and goes to work.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So about the dream.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I love my kids.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I know some parents are like, I can't wait to
get them out of the house and ship them.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Off to school.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm like, I want them home with me all the time.
I really love being a mom.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I wish so if I was capable of homeschooling, I
tried it, I failed. I would do that, But I
don't actually send my kids to a classical core knowledge
and a Christian private school. And if you follow me,
you know that my number one motto is get your
kids out of public schools at all costs. You either
sacrifice for your kids or you're sacrificing your kids on
the altar of wokeism, don't.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Do it sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So my kids don't go to public school except for
the classical corn Knowledge which is Bob Schaefer's School. But
we chose alternatives and I love having them home.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I found the motive for my mom sending my brother
and I to vacation Bible School, and I was, Oh,
you know, we're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
We're gonna learn.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
About Jesus, going to to cool crafts and activities, and
it was to get us out of the house.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That was the motive.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Primary did you to give you snacks when you were asking?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I had that old orange drink that McDonald's used to have.
It was like had like ten pounds of.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Sugar in it.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
And you're like, I remember that and like a big
you know, cooler and getting the orange drink after doing
all the activity and we come home from vacation Bible School,
my brother and I we did dead, tired and mission
accomplished for my mom.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I guess yes, I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
No, I don't mind when kids come home worn out,
a docile. Kids are their best form. But it's going
to be a great summer. And hey, I have other
news on the personal front. Ryan this week, I changed
my affiliation. I was a Republican for about five minutes.
So for anyone who doesn't know, again, I am the
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director of Protect Kids Colorado. I'm a mom who saved
my daughter from the gender call after she was secretly
transitioned in her sixth grade classroom.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That woke me up.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I became a disenfranchised, lifelong Democrat voter, and it was
really the Republicans, the Conservatives of Christians who took me
in and were willing to tell our story and support
our family through all of that, and so I changed
my affiliation to Republican. But this week I just you know,
it's such a mess that I joined that. What is
it fifty two percent of Colorado's who went back unaffiliated?
(03:33):
What are you Ryan? I know it's public knowledge, so
I don't feel bad thing you on.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
No, this is going to shock everybody.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I am a registered Republican, but I understand all the
misgivings watching this playout. Since I've gotten here, which was
just after Thanksgiving twenty eighteen, and the leadership at the
top of the party. You know, there have been some
people there that I like, and I thought, try to
do the best that they could.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I'm a very good friend of Christy Burton Brown's.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
You know, I have my misgivings about Dave Williams, how
he You're in it, certainly, and I think Britta Horne was.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Set up to fail.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I hate to, you know, rain down too hard on her,
But there's just so many fractures within the party. You know,
who can pull this all together and herd cats and
pacify every every single flank of what should be a
unified Republican Party that we do not have. So I
totally understand that. But my whole position has been why
I don't do what you did is I would rather
fight for it from within, try to make the changes
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from within. There are things about the Republican Party, whether
it's national, local, state level, that I don't agree with,
but by and large far more so than the Democratic Party.
And if those are my two choices right now, realistically
that is the case, then yeah, I'm going to try
to work do what I can to make those changes
within the Republican Party. But I get it for you.
You're kind of new to the party literally, so you
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show up to the party like, Hey, this is gonna
be fun, and then you're like, this is not fun.
So let me ask you this two questions. What was
the driving force behind you leaving? And then what would
it take to bring you back into the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, you know the fact that we have an open
primaries is a reason I could change my affiliations that
I can still have a say and who runs, And
can I just say I don't envy that job. I
agree Brita was set up for failure, it's not I
don't blame her for what happened, and it's a tough job.
I don't envy them. I wouldn't want it. And I
being protect Kids Colorado, we are a nonpartisan organization. I
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very much want people from all sides to be part
of what is a unifying mission of protecting kids.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You have a lot of Democrats in your midst for that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Organization, absolutely, yeah, a lot of Democrats, a lot of
unaffiliated unaffiliated. It was what like thirty percent of the
people who signed the petition were Democrats. So I want
to maintain a nonpartisan stance on things and make sure
everyone feels welcome under our big tent broad coalition. So
I don't think I need to be a Republican to
do that. That certainly factored into the decision as well.
(05:53):
That was like, I don't know that I align with
what the party's doing right now. I'm a conservative, I'm
a Christian. I hope that we can get it back,
and man, I hope whoever takes over the party does
a deep cleaning and a total revitalization. I kind of
like the idea of someone like Joe Oltman coming in
there and just blowing it up Donald Trump's style. I
know Jeremy Goodall as well. He's a great guy. He's
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a man of faith, he's principled. I think we're in
good hands either way, but I would love to see
someone get in there and just blow it up.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I had Joltman speaking of on my program here locally
in Denver six point thirty k O. Ryan Schuling Live
for those of you who want tune in weekdays for
a full hour this morning. And you know, Joe's one
of those guys I describe him.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
There's a line from The.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Dark Knight and the Commissioner Gordon is describing both Harvey
Dent and Batman, and for one of them, he says,
he's not the hero we deserve, but he's the hero
we need right now.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And we need that person right now.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
And if it's bowling the china shop, Joeltman coming in
and root and branch, cleaning things up.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He calls it an enema.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Which is a very graphic description, but I like that
he speaks plainly like that.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So when Joe's in here with me, it won't surprise
a lot of people. Maybe it will.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I don't know that he and I get along because
it's like, wellbout this, and he's like, well this.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
It's just a really straightforward, frank conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And I do appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Even though I have a lot of disagreements with Joe,
I think you're right. I think it's going to take
somebody that really one takes it very seriously and two
gets right into it, you know, rolls up their sleeves,
does what they can, does the work, does the work
on the ground, you know, and is a respected guy
that people can look to and go, Okay, he's got
a vision, he's got a plan.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Let's go with it and see what happens.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Because this is also going to be short term, and
then he wants to hand it off to somebody else, right,
so we'll see what happens. Is it's a short kind
of takeoff rant for him with the elections coming up
in November. But we need somebody to get there right now,
right away and make big changes, and it's not going
to be easy.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I'm also a grenade thrower, so I appreciate when someone
just gets in there and you know, a real FAFO personality.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It really ar goes to meet you.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
People would the thing, They would underestimate you perhaps and
be like, oh, she says, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I don't have loyalty to any party, any you know,
political figure, and I've kind of positioned myself in a way,
not intentionally where again, I run this big tent coalition.
I want everyone to be welcome. I don't have blind
loyalty to a party, to a person. I have loyalty
to the mission. And the mission is pretty common sense
and pretty easy to get on board with, and that's
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protecting children.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I wanted to ask you this too, and I think
a lot of listeners would have this question because I've
seen the post.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Whether you know JK.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Rowling's international, but I believe Martina Navratalova has a home
here in Aspen or in Colorado in the mountains and
she is a strong supporter of what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Have you made that connection?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
We had communication with it, because she'd be such a
big name to bring on board to this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I think you told me that I haven't. Jennifer Say
does so. Our mutual friend Jenjay who's based here in Denver,
who fled San Francisco back to during COVID, and she's like,
I'm not moving again, guys.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We cannot let Colorado become California.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, she's she's a rock star. She does have that connection.
My hope is that a lot more people are going
to want to get on board with what we're doing
it protect kids. I mean, this initiative that we have
on the ballot is unprecedented. It's one of a kind
in that there is now four states who have a
Protecting Girls Sports initiative on the ballot. Nevada just announced
yesterday or today, so Nevada, Washington, Arizona, and Missouri's working
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on it, and then Maine. I don't think Missouri is
official yet. But Colorado's unique in that we had no funding,
we had no no Martina Navtlova, we had no major
horsepower besides Jens who's a rock star, but we did
I know, but she would agree that she's not like
you know, the Riley Gaines platform. She wasn't here campaigning
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for us. And we did this with no money, no
big platform. It was just a bunch of people in
Colorado who've proven, who've proven they've had enough of what's
going on in the state by stepping behind what we're doing,
given their time and treasure to help us get on
the ballot. It's it's unprecedented, blew everyone's mind. No one
believed us that we could pull saff. I had people
in DC, I had people conservative groups here in Colorado
(09:59):
who didn't believe on us, who essentially blacklisted us because
they just didn't think it could be done. And I'm
so encouraged by the amount of people that staid. It
was thirty three hundred and twenty six petition carriers who
helped us get this over the finish line. And so
for anyone listening who doesn't know, we are officially on
the ballot in November three issues, the Children Are Not
For Sale Act, setting a life a penalty of life
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in prison without parole if you buy or sell a
child for sex in Colorado. The Protectorial Sports Act really simple,
just keeping sports male, female and co ed. And then
this is a doozy, but the Protect Children from Irreversible
Sex Rejecting Surgeries Act, which is insane that we even
need to say that out loud or do something like that.
But here we are, it's Colorado. We've got a lot
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of work to do to turn it around, and I
truly believe that the ballot measures are the way to
do that. So when we get back from break, I'm
actually going to be joined by my co founder of
Protect Kids Colorado, former Senator Kevin Lundberg, who's also the
chair of the committee to close the primary in Colorado.
And he and I don't actually see eye to eye
on that, but I want to press him a little
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bit and just find out what's going on with closing
the primary.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He's a good friend of Tina Peters. We'll talk to
him about that.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I believe we have to go to break, but we'll
talk to Kevin when we get back. You're listening to
the Dan Kaplis Show here on six point thirty k
how I'm Aaron Lee filling in.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Stuff on the line is one of my dear friends.
He's actually my co founder and the chairman of the
board at Protect Kids Colorado. I call him ll Coolka.
Welcome to the show, Kevin Lundbergh.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Wow, thank you, Eron. That's a great being with you.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So you actually told me something just privately when we
were talking this week, and I wanted you to be
able to talk about it on air, so I asked
you to join me. We got the news at the
end of last week that Tina Peters sentences being commuted,
and you cautioned that probation could actually put a target
on her back, that this is not an end all,
be all solution. So what say you to this decision
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to commute in your sentence?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Right, of course, there's a real distinction between commuting a
sentence and pardoning, because she's still considered a felon by
Colorado law. And boy, we could argue on that as
far as that that that was not a very just
decision there, but but just just the raw facts that
the the governor has given him has shortened her sentence
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to four and a half years and declared that she'll
be ready for parole on June first, which means she
needs she'll be released but it's not released as a
you know, free to go wherever. You're subjects to the
rules that the poorole board fits up. And you're a
parole officer is put in charge of looking after your
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your your time on parole. And you know, the dilemma is,
as I see it, it might amount to I mean,
they can define the terms that it might amount to
and something I'm more akin to house arrest. And here's
the thing that people need to be aware of and
be sensitive to the constraints the Teina will be under
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at that point in time, is whatever standards and requirements
they put up, if she violates any of them, either
intentionally or unintentionally, they can put her right back in prison,
and they can eliminate all the liberty she will get
for being on parole. So I'm and the reason I
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pointed this out is not to be a real downer,
because I'm very grateful that she'll be getting out of
prison and not behind bars. But we have to realize
that she's going to be under some pretty strict standards.
And I know they'll hopefully look after her rights for
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freedom of speech, but you know, will she be able
to travel, will they put other constraints on it that
if she crosses some line, boom, they put her back
in prison, and then then we're right back to square one. Yes,
their sentence is shorter, but it's still a couple of
years down the road before she would see any freedom right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I know she's a friend of yours, and you've been
following this very closely all along. It's important to practice
caution in our optimism.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Kevin.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You're also the chairman of the GOP's effort to close
the open primary, and I'm kind of naive to this subject.
I announced earlier that I've changed my affiliation back to
unaffiliated recently, so I'm just curious if you can give
us an update on where that is in the lawsuit
to close the primary.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Where do we stand with that?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Well, the state Party, through the Central Committee, voted unanimously
to pursue the to pursue the issue that Colorado right now,
we have what's called a semi open primary, which means
if you're an unaffiliated voter, then you get both the
Democrat and the Republican ballot and you can vote one
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one or the other, not both, but one or the other.
And if you're a minor party candidate, you don't get
any ballots. You can just vote in whatever assembly process
they have in place. And the dilemma we have here
is the real purpose of a political party is to
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field candidates for the general election. That's really the core
reason they're there. And parties formed initially because people needed
to gather together in order to have their voice heard.
And it's and you know, as job one is come
up with a candidate, well, if the state says, but
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when you're picking that candidate through the primary process, you
have to let non already members vote as well. That
really defeats the whole concept of why this private organization
which is a political party exists. And it also really
opens up a lot of games to be played where
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people will become unaffiliated and maybe they're really a hard
left or a hard right Democrat or Republican, but they
want to be unaffiliated so they can kind of play
the game, you know, and vote for the person they
don't want to win, but will most certainly help their
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choice ultimately get an office. We don't need that in Colorado.
It violates the First Amendment. It's called the freedom of association,
which has been clearly established as a part of the
First Amendments of rights for free speech. The party is
actually muzzled in making its choices for who they want
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to run now. The state Party, through the Central Committee
back in twenty twenty one, voted unanimously to pursue a
federal case against this to challenge that the constitutionality. It's
not that we just don't like it. I mean a
lot of bad effects like that, but it violates the
First Amendment, our rights of freedom of association and this
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group choosing their own candidate. We filed the case actually
in July of twenty twenty three, and it's been proceeding
through the process. It kind of got snagged last summer
because everything was submitted to the judge and he had
to make a decision on when do we set a
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trial date or will he make a judgment of I
agree with the case and I'll just rule to that
they're right or the opposite that they're wrong. Instead, he
just sat on it until we were in the middle
of the assembly process, which is our first step in
choosing camp. And then he unloads it and says, well, okay,
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some of it is unconstitutional. The rest I don't think
it is.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Joy continued, I guess we'll say I don't have to
have you back on when I host again. Thank you
former Senator Kevin Ludbergh for joining me today, one of
my favorite people on Earth. We're going to break down.
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show. Aaron Lee filling
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in today, and we learned this week that the Colorado
Supreme Court handed down a five to two decision forcing
Colorado Children's Hospital to continue these wrong sex mutilation procedures
on minor children, which actually risks their federal funding, which
is the whole reason they stopped. R FKJ said stop
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it or we're going to pull your Medicaid funding, and
the Colorado Supreme Court, same Supreme Court that took Trump
off the ballot, decided that they had to proceed with
mutilating kids. So when I saw this news, I knew
that there was no one better to discuss this situation
than Colorado's doctor. He is the founder of Colorado Principled Physicians,
a do No Harm fellow, a dermatologist out of Grand Junction,
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one of my favorite people on the planet, doctor Travis Morrell.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Welcome to the Dan Capli Show.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Aaron, thanks for having me on this is a good
time to talk about Colorado Children's.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Unfortunately, man, it just doesn't stop, does it.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I don't think either of us are surprised, but I
don't think a lot of people understand exactly what this
decision means. It it's forcing them to pursue the preliminary
and juncture to allow the preliminary injunction from the plaintiffs
in this case. But I know you're not a lawyer,
you're a physician, But can you help our listeners understand
what does this decision mean?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well, in December, Robert F. Kendee, Junior, in charge of
Helping Human Services, said, Hey, doing this stuff to kids,
pub blockers, cross sex hormones, you can harm them for life.
There's no clear evidence it's say that it works. So
you know this is a medicine. We're not going to
pay for it anymore with federal medicaid dollars. Well, basically
the court will shut that down. That doesn't mean there
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might not be appeals, but so it looks like that
they Colorado Children's, which had stopped doing these harmful procedures
to kids this January, might start that up again, Which
is sad because you and I both know a family's
affected by this. I know a gentleman in particular, his
kid was placed on PUV blockers at thirteen, a boy,
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and you know they're just going to keep doing that.
We know from people.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That push this.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
The World Professional Association for Transitor Health past president, doctor
Bauer says that kids that go on Colorado Medicaid's pub
blocker and then cross sex hormone schedule, these boys, by
the time they grow up, if they're still on it,
they may never have an orgasm, I may never be
able to enjoy intimate relations or have kids.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So, I mean, you're taking a lot from kids.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You're taking a car away from them before they even
learn to.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So you're telling me that these procedures are not reversible
like activists would tell us.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Yeah, I mean, obviously with any thing you do, you know,
who knows what one dose of something does or whatever.
We don't know. We haven't studied it, but we definitely know.
In fact, even the people of pushing this, The World
Professional Association for transit Or Health, the past president, has
said explicitly that that doctor Bowers is not aware of
anyone who goes through the Colorado Medicaid schedule of puberty
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blockers starting when you're age eight to thirteen, moving on
to cross sex hormones after that. If you continue that
during puberty in place of healthy puberty, that's a permanent
life sentence of inability to have a different relations or
to have kids for life. And we know that there's
fertility damage and other lasting damage to girls as well.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Well. You and I are so passionate about this. I mean,
I won't speak for you, but I know over a
dozen parents who are affected by this. You and I
have met, mostly dads who's have been medicalized against their
will in these custody situations where the AX has taken
them in.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Some kids as young as seven who've.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Been brought to Children's Hospital Colorado, to this true clinic
to pursue puberty blockers to block their healthy puberty. We've
seen the damage that it does to these kids, to
these dads who can't stop it because every system in
Colorado is stacked against them. I guess it's just underscores
the necessity of the ballot measure that you and I
have worked so hard on that we've.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Got to stop this. So we've got to put.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
A law in place that prevents these hospitals from performing these.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Irreversible procedures on kids.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And remind me again, I think your organization Do No
Harm put out. It's the Stopthharm Database dot com. Encourage
everyone to look at that resource. Because they compiled insurance data.
How many hospitals was it in Colorado that are actually
doing these procedures on kids? According to that public data.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
I believe there's forty four hospitals in Colorado that had
submitted insurance data between twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty three.
So forty four hospitals. Basically every county or every region,
your religious hospitals, your community hospitals, your big hospitals, medicaid hospitals,
all doing it in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So when people say this isn't happening, you heard it
from Colorado's doctor. Forty four hospitals in a three year period,
four year periods from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three
have been irreversibly mutilating kids' healthy bodies to satisfy or
to try to rectify this mental health distress that they're experiencing.
What happened?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Did you no harm?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You don't have to keep apologizing on behalf of every doctor.
But don't they take a hippocratic oath. Don't they know
that this is harming kids? What's the motive behind this?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Yeah, wow, we probably don't have time. That's time to
talk about it. I think that it appeals to different people.
I mean, the pharmaceutical companies are making money, the hospitals
have a lasting stream of income. I think that doctors.
There's probably some where it's financially beneficial. But for most doctors,
you know, they want to help, and they it feels great.
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You feel like you're saving their lives. They give you
big hugs, the parents give you big hugs. The activists
through you know, confettiing the air, and so you're saving
their lives and this is an area of prestige, and
in the academy, in the universities, in the professional societies,
this is treated as life saving care. Of course, unfortunately,
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even the major supporters like the ACLU, have now admitted
that it actually doesn't work decrease things like suicide, so
we know it's not really helping kids. Unfortunately, I wish
that people's empathy would be guided more by the evidence
that we have.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
We have a serious problem with I call it toxic empathy.
Where we need to balance compassion with caution. We're just saying, wait,
wait until you're capable of informed consent before agreeing to
these irreversible procedures. And to that point, did you see
the news that I think it was yesterday? We both
know her. Camille Kifel out of Oregon settled a DE
transitioner suit for three and a half million dollars against
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her counselor and her social work or the fast Tractor
to D transition. She had one one hour zoom session
with each of them and they wrote a letter to
get her. A double mistake to me. So what kind
of implications does that have for all of the people
who are D transitioners who are fighting back.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Well, I'm really happy for Camille, who has done a lot,
and I'm happy that she won in a blue state.
It goes to show that they are going to be
the transitions that are going to win these Sadly, a
lot of D transitions will not get justice because the
naturally the statue limitations is usually a year two sometimes
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a year or two after they reach majority, and these
kids often are not going to D transition when they're
you know, six months later, when they're still going to
these doctors that are encouraging when they have all the
same friends, when they're on the same Instagram and all
the same friends who.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Love bombing them.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
But when they grow up and all their friends get
pregnant or get coupled up, that's when they're going to realize,
many of them what they lost.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
And so I'm glad.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
That she was able to get that justice, but many
will not. And I think this is why it's important
that your organization Protectives of Colorado and thirty three hundred
volunteers got record numbers of signatures to protect Colorado kids
from this potential lifelong harm from which there's really not
a chance of justice for most of them.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Hey, you touched on something that a lot of people
don't understand. The statute of limitations is two years. So
these girls who are getting a double mistectomy at fourteen,
if they don't have that regret by sixteen, and keep
in mind, they're being pumped a testosterone which creates this
uphoric situation where they have a temporary happiness and they
think that they're doing the right thing. If they don't
detransition within two years, there is no justice for them.
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I know that you spearheaded an effort. Tell us about
the law that you've tried to get through a couple
of years in a row, actually through Kindergraph in the
Colorado legislature that would change that.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Well, we've suggested that kids should should have years after
they're after they turn majority, after they turn eighteen, because
that's when they're You don't notice that you don't have
a driver's license or car keys when you're twelve or
ten or eight. You notice when you're when you turn
sixteen and all your friends are sixteen or.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Eighteen and getting cars.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
And naturally, if kids are put on QUB blockers when
they're as young as eight, ten, twelve, thirteen there and
their sexual ability is shut down, they're not going to
necessarily necessarily have the same regret about that at that
age as they will when they're eighteen, twenty twenty one,
twenty five thirty, And the same with a breast the
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sectomy that people do to kids at fifteen and sixteen.
So for that reason to represent the GRAPH is trying
to protect kids so that they have a chance at
getting recompense for harmed under them when they're older, and that,
of course is not that's not the kind of respect
for the body that our legislator legislators in Colorado have
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for kids.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Unfortunately, sounds like it might be another ballot measure in
the works to make sure we extend that statute of limitations.
Doctor Travis Morrell, thank you for joining me to gate again.
I call him Colorado's doctor. He has done more for
protecting kids from medical harm in this state than anyone
I know. You can follow him at Travis Morrell on X.
He's got an amazing X account. I appreciate your time.
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I know how busy you are. Thanks for joining me
on the Dankpla Show.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Thanks Aaron for having me and great work with Protect Kids.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Thank you, Thank you well.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Everyone.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
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Speaker 2 (28:31):
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I'm Aaron Lee, director of Protect Kids Colorado, filling in
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Parental Rights. I get pretty spicy on social media.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
No people expect that from me, Arin, but you told you.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Emma Grand I've seen you do it.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
It's terrified. It's so much more terrifying coming from you
than somebody like me.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Kind of the epitome of Mama Bear. You mess with
my kid, You're.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Gonna see the claws.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Oh yeah, you will.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You can also follow us at Protect Kids Colorado dot
org doing very important work putting these three ballot measures
in front of the voters of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Protecting Kids.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's a universal line in the sand, and we have
big hopes for winning at the ballot in November. So
to hell, everyone you know, vote yes, yes, yes on
the three Protect Kids Colorado ballot measures. Something really cool
happened this week in the House. Actually, Gabe Evans texted
me right after he voted yes on this. They pass
Hr two six one six. They call it the Protect
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Kids Act. It stands for parental Rights over the Education
and Care of their Kids Act. That is actually fighting
against what happened to my child. If you don't know
my story, back in twenty twenty one, my twelve year
old daughter was secretly recruited into a gender and sexuality
club disguised as an art club. You can watch that
at artclubmovie dot com. Actually, Senator Kevin Lundberg, who joined
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US earlier, made a film about it.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It's available for free.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
You can watch it on YouTube. Somehow we've managed to
stay on the YouTube platform.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But that's exactly what happened to us.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
They are secretly transitioning kids all over the country. It's
happening in all fifty states. You're not immune because you're
in rural Nebraska. Our public education system has been ideologically captured.
And this was a huge step in the right direction
of stopping these secret school transitions.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Now, it was run by Rep. Tim Wahlberg out of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Eight Democrats actually broke rank and voted yes on this bill,
so notably.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
They're all in vulnerable seeds. It's actually eight broke rank
to vote yes on the Protectorial Sports Act that got
stuck in the Senate that cowardly senators were not willing
to put all the way through and pass his law,
and here we are in Colorado having to run it
as a ballot measure as a result. But yeah, eight
Democrats broke rank and voted yes. They're all in vulnerable
seats that mostly went for Trump last election. But it's
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a great sign that they're seeing the writing on the
wall on this issue that secretly pushing gender ideology and
transitioning children is not a popular stance. So now it
needs sixty votes in the Senate, and I implore people
to actually contact your senators, Democrat or Republican and urge
a yes vote on this because we've not gotten any
movement anywhere else. I ran this as a ballot measure
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one two back in twenty twenty four. We didn't get
enough signatures. We had a lot of hurdles to clear.
It just wasn't going to be possible. But then I
sued all the way to the Supreme Court in my
case Lee versus Pooter. That's the Pooter School District. I'll
say it again, Lee versus Pooter, worst school district in
the country, the Pooter school district that secretly transitioned my daughter.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
We had to appeal all the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
We were the first case to make it that far
to file cert petition. We were the first to be denied.
And in that denial, Justice Alee, joined by Gorsag and Thomas,
said that what happened to us was troubling and tragic
that lower courts were dodging this issue and they needed
to stop it. They needed to stop taking off ramps
and address it. But unfortunately, four other cases followed mine
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and they've now all been denied, so there are no
more cases sitting at the Supreme Court that would handle
this issue of secret school transition. And they were from
red and blue states alike Little John versus Leon out
of Tallahassee.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Florida, a very red area.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
In fact, her Governor DeSantis passed a law afterwards as
a result of her going public with what happened. But
this is happening everywhere and we've got to address it,
and it's just not happening in the court system. It's
not happening at the state level, and so we have
got to pass the Protect Kids Act. Contact your senators,
urge yes vote and if you want to learn more
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about this issue. I actually just participated in a beautiful
documentary film called The Death of Recess, which is available
on Angel Studios, and they do a deep dive into
the Tea Union and how they've infiltrated our classroom, how
they're pushing this at all levels, how it exists in
all fifty states, and really emphasizes just how prevalent and
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pervasive this issue is and how we need to fight it.
Have you seen that film yet? Ryan? Have you watched
my movie?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Oh yeah, I urge people to watch it so and
make sure I lead with that.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
But wow, will it make you angry?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I mean the whole part I can't get past. And
you say Pooter School District worse in the nation, Well, well.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Jeff Go's worse. They're number two.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Oh boy, wow? Wow? What it's choice? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
When I hear that they lie about what this was,
and you title it appropriately art club.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Movie, It's not an art club So why do you
got to lie about it?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
If it's such a great thing, why not just be
totally out open and transparent about Hey, this is for
gay kids to figure out who they are, and maybe
there's a way to do that. But when you lie
as the premise of it, Man, that bothered me a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, I get mad. Wh It's been five years now,
and I get mad watching it. I get mad watching
my husband get emotional in the film.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Oh, that's the worst part for me is when he
breaks down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Man, he's a very stoic guy.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, I maybe seen him cry three times in our
twenty years of marriage and it just to watch him
relive that and realizing our daughter have been violated and
we've been lied to, and that the school district has
gotten away with it.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
They have.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
There's been no accountability.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
They've celebrated the teacher, they've celebrated the activists.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
The activist.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
If you follow me on x you'll see that she's
still getting hundreds of thousands of tax dollars to run
her organization splash and skittles to continue to transition kids.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's infuriating. We have to handle it.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I'm sick of getting calls from parents who this has
happened to.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I just want the calls to stop.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
More and more people are being hurt every day in
this way, and it's it's really frustrating, and it's why
I won't stop fighting and throwing grenades and being spicy
on social media until we put an end to this.
When we come back from break, I am being joined
in studio by Laurel Herbert, who's going to be breaking
his story of full transition and now d transition.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
As an adult.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
But it's such a powerful story. Everyone needs to hear it.
Please hang around with us. This is Aaron Lee, I'm
filling in for Dan Kaplis today on six point thirty
k how We'll be right back, thank you,
Friday. It is a beautiful seventy and sunny Colorado day
rolling into Memorial Day weekend. I'm Aaron Lee filling in
for Dan Kaplis today. Thank you for joining us. Well,
it has been quite a week. I don't know about
any other parents out there, but we did it. We
made it through the school year. All three of my
kids wrapped up their school year. Actually, Ryan, I think
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you saw this. My youngest graduated pre school. Oh my goodness,
the picture which I keep private on my private page,
but he graduated preschool. I have one who graduated elementary school.
And then I have my daughter who is the brave, amazing,
beautiful overcomer who got through the art club scenario, is
going into her senior year this year.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
No way, Yes, so I've got quite a spread.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
How old do you feel?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Now?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Very old?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
But we were young, We were young parents, and I
do still have this little preschooler now kindergartener who's keeping
me young. I just want to congratulate all the parents
out there who made it through the school year, and
I hope you have a long RESTful summer before it's
start to get in a few months.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
So wait a minute for a parent here because I
can't relate. I am still that guy. But how do
you get through the summer months knowing that you cannot
ship them off to school?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
And now they have sports, they have other activities lined up.
What do you do with them? Send to the vacation
Bible School? What's going on there?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, Vacation Bible School is a great option. They do
a lot of lessons and camps and clubs. And my
daughter has a job now so old. She drives and
has a boyfriend and goes to work.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So about the dream.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I love my kids.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I know some parents are like, I can't wait to
get them out of the house and ship them.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Off to school.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm like, I want them home with me all the time.
I really love being a mom.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I wish so if I was capable of homeschooling, I
tried it, I failed. I would do that, But I
don't actually send my kids to a classical core knowledge
and a Christian private school. And if you follow me,
you know that my number one motto is get your
kids out of public schools at all costs. You either
sacrifice for your kids or you're sacrificing your kids on
the altar of wokeism, don't.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Do it sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So my kids don't go to public school except for
the classical corn Knowledge which is Bob Schaefer's School. But
we chose alternatives and I love having them home.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I found the motive for my mom sending my brother
and I to vacation Bible School, and I was, Oh,
you know, we're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
We're gonna learn.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
About Jesus, going to to cool crafts and activities, and
it was to get us out of the house.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That was the motive.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Primary did you to give you snacks when you were asking?
Speaker 5 (02:23):
I had that old orange drink that McDonald's used to have.
It was like had like ten pounds of.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Sugar in it.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
And you're like, I remember that and like a big
you know, cooler and getting the orange drink after doing
all the activity and we come home from vacation Bible School,
my brother and I we did dead, tired and mission
accomplished for my mom.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I guess yes, I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
No, I don't mind when kids come home worn out,
a docile. Kids are their best form. But it's going
to be a great summer. And hey, I have other
news on the personal front. Ryan this week, I changed
my affiliation. I was a Republican for about five minutes.
So for anyone who doesn't know, again, I am the
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director of Protect Kids Colorado. I'm a mom who saved
my daughter from the gender call after she was secretly
transitioned in her sixth grade classroom.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
That woke me up.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I became a disenfranchised, lifelong Democrat voter, and it was
really the Republicans, the Conservatives of Christians who took me
in and were willing to tell our story and support
our family through all of that, and so I changed
my affiliation to Republican. But this week I just you know,
it's such a mess that I joined that. What is
it fifty two percent of Colorado's who went back unaffiliated?
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What are you Ryan? I know it's public knowledge, so
I don't feel bad thing you on.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
No, this is going to shock everybody.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
I am a registered Republican, but I understand all the
misgivings watching this playout. Since I've gotten here, which was
just after Thanksgiving twenty eighteen, and the leadership at the
top of the party. You know, there have been some
people there that I like, and I thought, try to
do the best that they could.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I'm a very good friend of Christy Burton Brown's.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
You know, I have my misgivings about Dave Williams, how
he You're in it, certainly, and I think Britta Horne was.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Set up to fail.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I hate to, you know, rain down too hard on her,
But there's just so many fractures within the party. You know,
who can pull this all together and herd cats and
pacify every every single flank of what should be a
unified Republican Party that we do not have. So I
totally understand that. But my whole position has been why
I don't do what you did is I would rather
fight for it from within, try to make the changes
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from within. There are things about the Republican Party, whether
it's national, local, state level, that I don't agree with,
but by and large far more so than the Democratic Party.
And if those are my two choices right now, realistically
that is the case, then yeah, I'm going to try
to work do what I can to make those changes
within the Republican Party. But I get it for you.
You're kind of new to the party literally, so you
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show up to the party like, Hey, this is gonna
be fun, and then you're like, this is not fun.
So let me ask you this two questions. What was
the driving force behind you leaving? And then what would
it take to bring you back into the Republican Party.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, you know the fact that we have an open
primaries is a reason I could change my affiliations that
I can still have a say and who runs, And
can I just say I don't envy that job. I
agree Brita was set up for failure, it's not I
don't blame her for what happened, and it's a tough job.
I don't envy them. I wouldn't want it. And I
being protect Kids Colorado, we are a nonpartisan organization. I
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very much want people from all sides to be part
of what is a unifying mission of protecting kids.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You have a lot of Democrats in your midst for that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Organization, absolutely, yeah, a lot of Democrats, a lot of
unaffiliated unaffiliated. It was what like thirty percent of the
people who signed the petition were Democrats. So I want
to maintain a nonpartisan stance on things and make sure
everyone feels welcome under our big tent broad coalition. So
I don't think I need to be a Republican to
do that. That certainly factored into the decision as well.
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That was like, I don't know that I align with
what the party's doing right now. I'm a conservative, I'm
a Christian. I hope that we can get it back,
and man, I hope whoever takes over the party does
a deep cleaning and a total revitalization. I kind of
like the idea of someone like Joe Oltman coming in
there and just blowing it up Donald Trump's style. I
know Jeremy Goodall as well. He's a great guy. He's
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a man of faith, he's principled. I think we're in
good hands either way, but I would love to see
someone get in there and just blow it up.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Well.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I had Joltman speaking of on my program here locally
in Denver six point thirty k O. Ryan Schuling Live
for those of you who want tune in weekdays for
a full hour this morning. And you know, Joe's one
of those guys I describe him.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
There's a line from The.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Dark Knight and the Commissioner Gordon is describing both Harvey
Dent and Batman, and for one of them, he says,
he's not the hero we deserve, but he's the hero
we need right now.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And we need that person right now.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
And if it's bowling the china shop, Joeltman coming in
and root and branch, cleaning things up.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
He calls it an enema.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Which is a very graphic description, but I like that
he speaks plainly like that.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
So when Joe's in here with me, it won't surprise
a lot of people. Maybe it will.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I don't know that he and I get along because
it's like, wellbout this, and he's like, well this.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
It's just a really straightforward, frank conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
And I do appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Even though I have a lot of disagreements with Joe,
I think you're right. I think it's going to take
somebody that really one takes it very seriously and two
gets right into it, you know, rolls up their sleeves,
does what they can, does the work, does the work
on the ground, you know, and is a respected guy
that people can look to and go, Okay, he's got
a vision, he's got a plan.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Let's go with it and see what happens.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Because this is also going to be short term, and
then he wants to hand it off to somebody else, right,
so we'll see what happens. Is it's a short kind
of takeoff rant for him with the elections coming up
in November. But we need somebody to get there right now,
right away and make big changes, and it's not going
to be easy.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I'm also a grenade thrower, so I appreciate when someone
just gets in there and you know, a real FAFO personality.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
It really ar goes to meet you.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
People would the thing, They would underestimate you perhaps and
be like, oh, she says, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And I don't have loyalty to any party, any you know,
political figure, and I've kind of positioned myself in a way,
not intentionally where again, I run this big tent coalition.
I want everyone to be welcome. I don't have blind
loyalty to a party, to a person. I have loyalty
to the mission. And the mission is pretty common sense
and pretty easy to get on board with, and that's
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protecting children.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I wanted to ask you this too, and I think
a lot of listeners would have this question because I've
seen the post.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Whether you know JK.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Rowling's international, but I believe Martina Navratalova has a home
here in Aspen or in Colorado in the mountains and
she is a strong supporter of what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Have you made that connection?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
We had communication with it, because she'd be such a
big name to bring on board to this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
I think you told me that I haven't. Jennifer Say
does so. Our mutual friend Jenjay who's based here in Denver,
who fled San Francisco back to during COVID, and she's like,
I'm not moving again, guys.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We cannot let Colorado become California.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah, she's she's a rock star. She does have that connection.
My hope is that a lot more people are going
to want to get on board with what we're doing
it protect kids. I mean, this initiative that we have
on the ballot is unprecedented. It's one of a kind
in that there is now four states who have a
Protecting Girls Sports initiative on the ballot. Nevada just announced
yesterday or today, so Nevada, Washington, Arizona, and Missouri's working
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on it, and then Maine. I don't think Missouri is
official yet. But Colorado's unique in that we had no funding,
we had no no Martina Navtlova, we had no major
horsepower besides Jens who's a rock star, but we did
I know, but she would agree that she's not like
you know, the Riley Gaines platform. She wasn't here campaigning
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for us. And we did this with no money, no
big platform. It was just a bunch of people in
Colorado who've proven, who've proven they've had enough of what's
going on in the state by stepping behind what we're doing,
given their time and treasure to help us get on
the ballot. It's it's unprecedented, blew everyone's mind. No one
believed us that we could pull saff. I had people
in DC, I had people conservative groups here in Colorado
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who didn't believe on us, who essentially blacklisted us because
they just didn't think it could be done. And I'm
so encouraged by the amount of people that staid. It
was thirty three hundred and twenty six petition carriers who
helped us get this over the finish line. And so
for anyone listening who doesn't know, we are officially on
the ballot in November three issues, the Children Are Not
For Sale Act, setting a life a penalty of life
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in prison without parole if you buy or sell a
child for sex in Colorado. The Protectorial Sports Act really simple,
just keeping sports male, female and co ed. And then
this is a doozy, but the Protect Children from Irreversible
Sex Rejecting Surgeries Act, which is insane that we even
need to say that out loud or do something like that.
But here we are, it's Colorado. We've got a lot
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of work to do to turn it around, and I
truly believe that the ballot measures are the way to
do that. So when we get back from break, I'm
actually going to be joined by my co founder of
Protect Kids Colorado, former Senator Kevin Lundberg, who's also the
chair of the committee to close the primary in Colorado.
And he and I don't actually see eye to eye
on that, but I want to press him a little
(11:01):
bit and just find out what's going on with closing
the primary.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
He's a good friend of Tina Peters. We'll talk to
him about that.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I believe we have to go to break, but we'll
talk to Kevin when we get back. You're listening to
the Dan Kaplis Show here on six point thirty k
how I'm Aaron Lee filling in.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Stuff on the line is one of my dear friends.
He's actually my co founder and the chairman of the
board at Protect Kids Colorado. I call him ll Coolka.
Welcome to the show, Kevin Lundbergh.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Wow, thank you, Eron. That's a great being with you.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So you actually told me something just privately when we
were talking this week, and I wanted you to be
able to talk about it on air, so I asked
you to join me. We got the news at the
end of last week that Tina Peters sentences being commuted,
and you cautioned that probation could actually put a target
on her back, that this is not an end all,
be all solution. So what say you to this decision
(12:01):
to commute in your sentence?
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Right, of course, there's a real distinction between commuting a
sentence and pardoning, because she's still considered a felon by
Colorado law. And boy, we could argue on that as
far as that that that was not a very just
decision there, but but just just the raw facts that
the the governor has given him has shortened her sentence
(12:28):
to four and a half years and declared that she'll
be ready for parole on June first, which means she
needs she'll be released but it's not released as a
you know, free to go wherever. You're subjects to the
rules that the poorole board fits up. And you're a
parole officer is put in charge of looking after your
(12:53):
your your time on parole. And you know, the dilemma is,
as I see it, it might amount to I mean,
they can define the terms that it might amount to
and something I'm more akin to house arrest. And here's
the thing that people need to be aware of and
be sensitive to the constraints the Teina will be under
(13:15):
at that point in time, is whatever standards and requirements
they put up, if she violates any of them, either
intentionally or unintentionally, they can put her right back in prison,
and they can eliminate all the liberty she will get
for being on parole. So I'm and the reason I
(13:37):
pointed this out is not to be a real downer,
because I'm very grateful that she'll be getting out of
prison and not behind bars. But we have to realize
that she's going to be under some pretty strict standards.
And I know they'll hopefully look after her rights for
(14:01):
freedom of speech, but you know, will she be able
to travel, will they put other constraints on it that
if she crosses some line, boom, they put her back
in prison, and then then we're right back to square one. Yes,
their sentence is shorter, but it's still a couple of
years down the road before she would see any freedom right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I know she's a friend of yours, and you've been
following this very closely all along. It's important to practice
caution in our optimism.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Kevin.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You're also the chairman of the GOP's effort to close
the open primary, and I'm kind of naive to this subject.
I announced earlier that I've changed my affiliation back to
unaffiliated recently, so I'm just curious if you can give
us an update on where that is in the lawsuit
to close the primary.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Where do we stand with that?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Well, the state Party, through the Central Committee, voted unanimously
to pursue the to pursue the issue that Colorado right now,
we have what's called a semi open primary, which means
if you're an unaffiliated voter, then you get both the
Democrat and the Republican ballot and you can vote one
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one or the other, not both, but one or the other.
And if you're a minor party candidate, you don't get
any ballots. You can just vote in whatever assembly process
they have in place. And the dilemma we have here
is the real purpose of a political party is to
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field candidates for the general election. That's really the core
reason they're there. And parties formed initially because people needed
to gather together in order to have their voice heard.
And it's and you know, as job one is come
up with a candidate, well, if the state says, but
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when you're picking that candidate through the primary process, you
have to let non already members vote as well. That
really defeats the whole concept of why this private organization
which is a political party exists. And it also really
opens up a lot of games to be played where
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people will become unaffiliated and maybe they're really a hard
left or a hard right Democrat or Republican, but they
want to be unaffiliated so they can kind of play
the game, you know, and vote for the person they
don't want to win, but will most certainly help their
(16:36):
choice ultimately get an office. We don't need that in Colorado.
It violates the First Amendment. It's called the freedom of association,
which has been clearly established as a part of the
First Amendments of rights for free speech. The party is
actually muzzled in making its choices for who they want
(16:59):
to run now. The state Party, through the Central Committee
back in twenty twenty one, voted unanimously to pursue a
federal case against this to challenge that the constitutionality. It's
not that we just don't like it. I mean a
lot of bad effects like that, but it violates the
First Amendment, our rights of freedom of association and this
(17:21):
group choosing their own candidate. We filed the case actually
in July of twenty twenty three, and it's been proceeding
through the process. It kind of got snagged last summer
because everything was submitted to the judge and he had
to make a decision on when do we set a
(17:42):
trial date or will he make a judgment of I
agree with the case and I'll just rule to that
they're right or the opposite that they're wrong. Instead, he
just sat on it until we were in the middle
of the assembly process, which is our first step in
choosing camp. And then he unloads it and says, well, okay,
(18:04):
some of it is unconstitutional. The rest I don't think
it is.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Joy continued, I guess we'll say I don't have to
have you back on when I host again. Thank you
former Senator Kevin Ludbergh for joining me today, one of
my favorite people on Earth. We're going to break down.
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show. Aaron Lee filling
(18:29):
in today, and we learned this week that the Colorado
Supreme Court handed down a five to two decision forcing
Colorado Children's Hospital to continue these wrong sex mutilation procedures
on minor children, which actually risks their federal funding, which
is the whole reason they stopped. R FKJ said stop
(18:50):
it or we're going to pull your Medicaid funding, and
the Colorado Supreme Court, same Supreme Court that took Trump
off the ballot, decided that they had to proceed with
mutilating kids. So when I saw this news, I knew
that there was no one better to discuss this situation
than Colorado's doctor. He is the founder of Colorado Principled Physicians,
a do No Harm fellow, a dermatologist out of Grand Junction,
(19:13):
one of my favorite people on the planet, doctor Travis Morrell.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Welcome to the Dan Capli Show.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Aaron, thanks for having me on this is a good
time to talk about Colorado Children's.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Unfortunately, man, it just doesn't stop, does it.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I don't think either of us are surprised, but I
don't think a lot of people understand exactly what this
decision means. It it's forcing them to pursue the preliminary
and juncture to allow the preliminary injunction from the plaintiffs
in this case. But I know you're not a lawyer,
you're a physician, But can you help our listeners understand
what does this decision mean?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Well, in December, Robert F. Kendee, Junior, in charge of
Helping Human Services, said, Hey, doing this stuff to kids,
pub blockers, cross sex hormones, you can harm them for life.
There's no clear evidence it's say that it works. So
you know this is a medicine. We're not going to
pay for it anymore with federal medicaid dollars. Well, basically
the court will shut that down. That doesn't mean there
(20:09):
might not be appeals, but so it looks like that
they Colorado Children's, which had stopped doing these harmful procedures
to kids this January, might start that up again, Which
is sad because you and I both know a family's
affected by this. I know a gentleman in particular, his
kid was placed on PUV blockers at thirteen, a boy,
(20:32):
and you know they're just going to keep doing that.
We know from people.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That push this.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
The World Professional Association for Transitor Health past president, doctor
Bauer says that kids that go on Colorado Medicaid's pub
blocker and then cross sex hormone schedule, these boys, by
the time they grow up, if they're still on it,
they may never have an orgasm, I may never be
able to enjoy intimate relations or have kids.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So, I mean, you're taking a lot from kids.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
You're taking a car away from them before they even
learn to.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So you're telling me that these procedures are not reversible
like activists would tell us.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Yeah, I mean, obviously with any thing you do, you know,
who knows what one dose of something does or whatever.
We don't know. We haven't studied it, but we definitely know.
In fact, even the people of pushing this, The World
Professional Association for transit Or Health, the past president, has
said explicitly that that doctor Bowers is not aware of
anyone who goes through the Colorado Medicaid schedule of puberty
(21:30):
blockers starting when you're age eight to thirteen, moving on
to cross sex hormones after that. If you continue that
during puberty in place of healthy puberty, that's a permanent
life sentence of inability to have a different relations or
to have kids for life. And we know that there's
fertility damage and other lasting damage to girls as well.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Well. You and I are so passionate about this. I mean,
I won't speak for you, but I know over a
dozen parents who are affected by this. You and I
have met, mostly dads who's have been medicalized against their
will in these custody situations where the AX has taken
them in.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Some kids as young as seven who've.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Been brought to Children's Hospital Colorado, to this true clinic
to pursue puberty blockers to block their healthy puberty. We've
seen the damage that it does to these kids, to
these dads who can't stop it because every system in
Colorado is stacked against them. I guess it's just underscores
the necessity of the ballot measure that you and I
have worked so hard on that we've.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Got to stop this. So we've got to put.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
A law in place that prevents these hospitals from performing these.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Irreversible procedures on kids.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And remind me again, I think your organization Do No
Harm put out. It's the Stopthharm Database dot com. Encourage
everyone to look at that resource. Because they compiled insurance data.
How many hospitals was it in Colorado that are actually
doing these procedures on kids? According to that public data.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
I believe there's forty four hospitals in Colorado that had
submitted insurance data between twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty three.
So forty four hospitals. Basically every county or every region,
your religious hospitals, your community hospitals, your big hospitals, medicaid hospitals,
all doing it in Colorado.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
So when people say this isn't happening, you heard it
from Colorado's doctor. Forty four hospitals in a three year period,
four year periods from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three
have been irreversibly mutilating kids' healthy bodies to satisfy or
to try to rectify this mental health distress that they're experiencing.
What happened?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Did you no harm?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You don't have to keep apologizing on behalf of every doctor.
But don't they take a hippocratic oath. Don't they know
that this is harming kids? What's the motive behind this?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Yeah, wow, we probably don't have time. That's time to
talk about it. I think that it appeals to different people.
I mean, the pharmaceutical companies are making money, the hospitals
have a lasting stream of income. I think that doctors.
There's probably some where it's financially beneficial. But for most doctors,
you know, they want to help, and they it feels great.
(24:03):
You feel like you're saving their lives. They give you
big hugs, the parents give you big hugs. The activists
through you know, confettiing the air, and so you're saving
their lives and this is an area of prestige, and
in the academy, in the universities, in the professional societies,
this is treated as life saving care. Of course, unfortunately,
(24:23):
even the major supporters like the ACLU, have now admitted
that it actually doesn't work decrease things like suicide, so
we know it's not really helping kids. Unfortunately, I wish
that people's empathy would be guided more by the evidence
that we have.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
We have a serious problem with I call it toxic empathy.
Where we need to balance compassion with caution. We're just saying, wait,
wait until you're capable of informed consent before agreeing to
these irreversible procedures. And to that point, did you see
the news that I think it was yesterday? We both
know her. Camille Kifel out of Oregon settled a DE
transitioner suit for three and a half million dollars against
(24:59):
her counselor and her social work or the fast Tractor
to D transition. She had one one hour zoom session
with each of them and they wrote a letter to
get her. A double mistake to me. So what kind
of implications does that have for all of the people
who are D transitioners who are fighting back.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Well, I'm really happy for Camille, who has done a lot,
and I'm happy that she won in a blue state.
It goes to show that they are going to be
the transitions that are going to win these Sadly, a
lot of D transitions will not get justice because the
naturally the statue limitations is usually a year two sometimes
(25:40):
a year or two after they reach majority, and these
kids often are not going to D transition when they're
you know, six months later, when they're still going to
these doctors that are encouraging when they have all the
same friends, when they're on the same Instagram and all
the same friends who.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Love bombing them.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
But when they grow up and all their friends get
pregnant or get coupled up, that's when they're going to realize,
many of them what they lost.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
And so I'm glad.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
That she was able to get that justice, but many
will not. And I think this is why it's important
that your organization Protectives of Colorado and thirty three hundred
volunteers got record numbers of signatures to protect Colorado kids
from this potential lifelong harm from which there's really not
a chance of justice for most of them.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Hey, you touched on something that a lot of people
don't understand. The statute of limitations is two years. So
these girls who are getting a double mistectomy at fourteen,
if they don't have that regret by sixteen, and keep
in mind, they're being pumped a testosterone which creates this
uphoric situation where they have a temporary happiness and they
think that they're doing the right thing. If they don't
detransition within two years, there is no justice for them.
(26:46):
I know that you spearheaded an effort. Tell us about
the law that you've tried to get through a couple
of years in a row, actually through Kindergraph in the
Colorado legislature that would change that.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Well, we've suggested that kids should should have years after
they're after they turn majority, after they turn eighteen, because
that's when they're You don't notice that you don't have
a driver's license or car keys when you're twelve or
ten or eight. You notice when you're when you turn
sixteen and all your friends are sixteen or.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Eighteen and getting cars.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
And naturally, if kids are put on QUB blockers when
they're as young as eight, ten, twelve, thirteen there and
their sexual ability is shut down, they're not going to
necessarily necessarily have the same regret about that at that
age as they will when they're eighteen, twenty twenty one,
twenty five thirty, And the same with a breast the
(27:39):
sectomy that people do to kids at fifteen and sixteen.
So for that reason to represent the GRAPH is trying
to protect kids so that they have a chance at
getting recompense for harmed under them when they're older, and that,
of course is not that's not the kind of respect
for the body that our legislator legislators in Colorado have
(28:00):
for kids.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Unfortunately, sounds like it might be another ballot measure in
the works to make sure we extend that statute of limitations.
Doctor Travis Morrell, thank you for joining me to gate again.
I call him Colorado's doctor. He has done more for
protecting kids from medical harm in this state than anyone
I know. You can follow him at Travis Morrell on X.
He's got an amazing X account. I appreciate your time.
(28:21):
I know how busy you are. Thanks for joining me
on the Dankpla Show.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
Thanks Aaron for having me and great work with Protect Kids.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Thank you, Thank you well.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Everyone.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show on sixt.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Thirty k how.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I'm Aaron Lee filling in don't forget. You can text
me starting with Dan at five seven, seven thirty nine
and we'll be right back after this break this show.
I'm Aaron Lee, director of Protect Kids Colorado, filling in
for Dan today. You can follow me at Aaron four
(28:54):
Parental Rights. I get pretty spicy on social media.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
No people expect that from me, Arin, but you told you.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Emma Grand I've seen you do it.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
It's terrified. It's so much more terrifying coming from you
than somebody like me.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Kind of the epitome of Mama Bear. You mess with
my kid, You're.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Gonna see the claws.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Oh yeah, you will.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You can also follow us at Protect Kids Colorado dot
org doing very important work putting these three ballot measures
in front of the voters of Colorado.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Protecting Kids.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
It's a universal line in the sand, and we have
big hopes for winning at the ballot in November. So
to hell, everyone you know, vote yes, yes, yes on
the three Protect Kids Colorado ballot measures. Something really cool
happened this week in the House. Actually, Gabe Evans texted
me right after he voted yes on this. They pass
Hr two six one six. They call it the Protect
(29:45):
Kids Act. It stands for parental Rights over the Education
and Care of their Kids Act. That is actually fighting
against what happened to my child. If you don't know
my story, back in twenty twenty one, my twelve year
old daughter was secretly recruited into a gender and sexuality
club disguised as an art club. You can watch that
at artclubmovie dot com. Actually, Senator Kevin Lundberg, who joined
(30:08):
US earlier, made a film about it.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It's available for free.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
You can watch it on YouTube. Somehow we've managed to
stay on the YouTube platform.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
But that's exactly what happened to us.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
They are secretly transitioning kids all over the country. It's
happening in all fifty states. You're not immune because you're
in rural Nebraska. Our public education system has been ideologically captured.
And this was a huge step in the right direction
of stopping these secret school transitions.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Now, it was run by Rep. Tim Wahlberg out of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Eight Democrats actually broke rank and voted yes on this bill,
so notably.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
They're all in vulnerable seeds. It's actually eight broke rank
to vote yes on the Protectorial Sports Act that got
stuck in the Senate that cowardly senators were not willing
to put all the way through and pass his law,
and here we are in Colorado having to run it
as a ballot measure as a result. But yeah, eight
Democrats broke rank and voted yes. They're all in vulnerable
seats that mostly went for Trump last election. But it's
(31:07):
a great sign that they're seeing the writing on the
wall on this issue that secretly pushing gender ideology and
transitioning children is not a popular stance. So now it
needs sixty votes in the Senate, and I implore people
to actually contact your senators, Democrat or Republican and urge
a yes vote on this because we've not gotten any
movement anywhere else. I ran this as a ballot measure
(31:30):
one two back in twenty twenty four. We didn't get
enough signatures. We had a lot of hurdles to clear.
It just wasn't going to be possible. But then I
sued all the way to the Supreme Court in my
case Lee versus Pooter. That's the Pooter School District. I'll
say it again, Lee versus Pooter, worst school district in
the country, the Pooter school district that secretly transitioned my daughter.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
We had to appeal all the way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
We were the first case to make it that far
to file cert petition. We were the first to be denied.
And in that denial, Justice Alee, joined by Gorsag and Thomas,
said that what happened to us was troubling and tragic
that lower courts were dodging this issue and they needed
to stop it. They needed to stop taking off ramps
and address it. But unfortunately, four other cases followed mine
(32:14):
and they've now all been denied, so there are no
more cases sitting at the Supreme Court that would handle
this issue of secret school transition. And they were from
red and blue states alike Little John versus Leon out
of Tallahassee.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Florida, a very red area.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
In fact, her Governor DeSantis passed a law afterwards as
a result of her going public with what happened. But
this is happening everywhere and we've got to address it,
and it's just not happening in the court system. It's
not happening at the state level, and so we have
got to pass the Protect Kids Act. Contact your senators,
urge yes vote and if you want to learn more
(32:49):
about this issue. I actually just participated in a beautiful
documentary film called The Death of Recess, which is available
on Angel Studios, and they do a deep dive into
the Tea Union and how they've infiltrated our classroom, how
they're pushing this at all levels, how it exists in
all fifty states, and really emphasizes just how prevalent and
(33:10):
pervasive this issue is and how we need to fight it.
Have you seen that film yet? Ryan? Have you watched
my movie?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Oh yeah, I urge people to watch it so and
make sure I lead with that.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
But wow, will it make you angry?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I mean the whole part I can't get past. And
you say Pooter School District worse in the nation, Well, well.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Jeff Go's worse. They're number two.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Oh boy, wow? Wow? What it's choice? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (33:33):
When I hear that they lie about what this was,
and you title it appropriately art club.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Movie, It's not an art club So why do you
got to lie about it?
Speaker 5 (33:43):
If it's such a great thing, why not just be
totally out open and transparent about Hey, this is for
gay kids to figure out who they are, and maybe
there's a way to do that. But when you lie
as the premise of it, Man, that bothered me a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, I get mad. Wh It's been five years now,
and I get mad watching it. I get mad watching
my husband get emotional in the film.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Oh, that's the worst part for me is when he
breaks down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Man, he's a very stoic guy.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, I maybe seen him cry three times in our
twenty years of marriage and it just to watch him
relive that and realizing our daughter have been violated and
we've been lied to, and that the school district has
gotten away with it.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
They have.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
There's been no accountability.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
They've celebrated the teacher, they've celebrated the activists.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
The activist.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
If you follow me on x you'll see that she's
still getting hundreds of thousands of tax dollars to run
her organization splash and skittles to continue to transition kids.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's infuriating. We have to handle it.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I'm sick of getting calls from parents who this has
happened to.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I just want the calls to stop.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
More and more people are being hurt every day in
this way, and it's it's really frustrating, and it's why
I won't stop fighting and throwing grenades and being spicy
on social media until we put an end to this.
When we come back from break, I am being joined
in studio by Laurel Herbert, who's going to be breaking
his story of full transition and now d transition.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
As an adult.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
But it's such a powerful story. Everyone needs to hear it.
Please hang around with us. This is Aaron Lee, I'm
filling in for Dan Kaplis today on six point thirty
k how We'll be right back, thank you,
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