May 27, 2026 • 35 mins
This Memorial Day, Erin Lee (in for Dan) reflects on the true meaning of freedom and the sacrifices made by those who serve in the military. The episode touches on the importance of honoring the fallen and the families they leave behind, with the host sharing personal anecdotes about his own family members who have served.
The conversation shifts to a discussion about a recent bill passed in Colorado, House Bill 25-1309, which mandates that insurance companies pay for any procedure deemed medically necessary for trans-identified individuals. Erin expresses concerns about the bill's implications, including the lack of age requirements and the potential for abuse. The episode also delves into the topic of gender identity and the impact it has on families, with the host sharing stories of parents who have lost custody of their children due to their refusal to affirm their child's gender identity.
Erin highlights the importance of parental rights and the need for parents to be involved in their children's lives, especially when it comes to decisions about their gender identity. The episode also touches on the topic of gender trafficking, where parents are losing custody of their children due to their refusal to transition them.
The episode is a thought-provoking discussion about the complexities of gender identity and the importance of parental rights. If you're interested in learning more about these topics and hearing the personal stories of those affected, tune in to this episode to hear the full conversation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
And welcome everyone to The Dankaplis Show.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
This is Aaron Lee with Protect Kids, Colorado, filling in
again for Dan.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Happy.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What is it Tuesday?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I hope everyone had a RESTful, reflective Memorial Day weekend.
Ryan and I on Friday, we're talking about this like,
you can't really say happy.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's not necessarily a happy holiday.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Ye, it's like saying happy Good Friday. You don't do
that one either if you're in.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The Christian faith, right, But it is a time to
stop reflect, be grateful for the people who've paid the
ultimate sacrifice. It's certainly a somber holiday, and I know
it's cliche, but it reminds us that freedom truly isn't free.
That we live in the greatest country in the world
because people pay the ultimate sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And Ryan, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's annoying that there's an entire month dedicated to sexual oriente.
But our fallen military members get one day. Veterans get
one day month, right, But you know, joining the military
is truly a selfless act. It's offering yourself up for
your countrymen, not for attention, not for recognition. So not
surprising they don't demand an entire month or I think
(01:17):
what's now like half of the calendar year are LGBTQ holidays.
But I hope everyone took time to reflect and honor
the ultimate sacrifice. A friend from high school of mine
just lost her husband, who I also went to high
school with, in the epic Fury refueling accident on March twelfth,
Captain Seth Coval and I certainly prayed for her and
their young son yesterday and all the families left behind.
(01:39):
I actually noticed on Facebook she shared Romans eight eighteen
for I consider that the sufferings of this present time
are not worth comparing with the.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Glory that is to be revealed to us.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So glad to see that she's coping well on such
a hard holiday. She's she's young, she's what thirty seven
thirty eight and has a young son and just lost
her husband. So pray for those who have fallen and
the people that they've left behind, and I know memorial
days about those who've died, So I hope no one
gets upset by me taking a moment just to talk
about the military and veterans more broadly. But it's personal
(02:13):
for me though I never served. All the most important
men in my life are veterans. My favorite uncle dodged
the USS Indianapolis, only to.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Pass a few years ago. My dad was a Vietnam
vet who.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Actually landed his first tour during the tet Offensive. He
thought it was like a celebration or fireworks. They couldn't
even land the plane because the battle was so bad.
My brother, as a Navy corman, was actually a first
responder to nine to eleven on the USS comfort And
I'm a proud Army wife supported my husband all four
years he was.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
In Our daughter was born while we were in the Army.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
We went through deployment and I'll just never forget when
my husband came home and our daughter, who was just
one year old, didn't even recognize him. We had to
take time for her to realize that that was dad
and get to know him. My gosh, to military families
not get enough credit. I wish they had a day.
It is so hard to pick up and leave everything
(03:08):
behind to go to whatever duty station the military sends
you to when you sign your name on that dotted line.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I want to remind everyone that we.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
The text line is open at five seven seven three
nine texts Dan. I would love to hear from you
veterans who have served, hear about your family members who
were lost in battle or passed away. It's important that
we not just remember for one day, but that we
continue to take time to remember our military members and
(03:37):
the spouses who have to have a mobile career, the
kids who have to change schools and go a year
or more without seeing their parent. What a sacrifice our
military members make for our country. Have you seen those videos, Ryan,
of the soldiers coming home. I bawl my eyes out
every time.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's somber and it's very tough.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, it's super emotional. So everyone, I hope you took
time to remember the fallen. I hope you take the time.
I'm often to appreciate those who have served and continue
to do so, and please don't forget their families.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Going on in Colorado today. I'm just reading on this
sheet here Ryan that Kirkmeyer says Peters was convicted and
that we shouldn't have granted clemency.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Am I reading that right?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Well, she's not as far along in my understanding of
what she says on that path as Governor Jared Poulis was,
as he thought it was an unfair sentence. Now, the
point that Senator Kirkmeyer makes is that she wants to
be fair and a fair arbiter and consistent, and that
she didn't like what Governor Polis did with Rogelle Maderos.
(04:41):
That was the runaway truck driver that incinerated the people
in I seventy. Kim Kardashian gets in Jared Pulis's ears
whisper sweet nothing's and he reduces of what was like
one hundred and ten years sentence down to ten years
or something like that.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
And the families were outraged, so.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
As well they should be.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Senator Kirkmeyer mentioned that as kind of a a bar
and that, hey, I got to call balls and strikes here.
This is my interpretation of what she said on the issue.
But Governor Polis has said flat out that he didn't
think the sentence was fair and it wasn't in line
with other sentences along those lines, and I kind of
land where he is on this. I know Representative Bottoms,
(05:17):
who will be in the debate tonight that I'll be
covering at Colorado Christian University. He's, for a full outright part,
doesn't feel that Tina Peters committed any crimes whatsoever. Senator
Kirk Myers says, hey, she was convicted by a jury
of her peers Republican prosecutor Dan Rubinstein in Mason County.
So there's a lot of daylight between them on this issue,
and then we're going to see that. I think illustrating
(05:38):
the debate tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Interesting But didn't poliss but didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Wasn't there a slap on the rist for a state
representative who was accused of the exact same crime.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
It's the state senator, and yes he cited that as
the example, and who knows, had that not happened, there
might not have been that point of contrast that finally
pushed Governor Polis over the edge. Say you know what,
when the grant clemency to Tina Peters, and for those
of us that that feel that it is unfair how
she's been treated, I think that you know, Governor Polos
deserves I think he deserves credit for what he did.
(06:08):
It took political courage, no matter what the calculation or
the motivation was, was not convenient for him, certainly with
his own party, they censured him.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So I'm going to give him just do on that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You don't think that it was all calculated for his
run for president, of course it was.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
But the end result is Tina is getting out of
prison on June first.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I think she'll take it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I think she'll take it.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And speaking of Memorial Day, she's a gold star mom,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, what ultimate sacrifice right there.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Her only child was lost as what was he a
ranger or a feal? I believe like an absolute bad
bad guy in.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
A good way.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Okay, I can say bad ass. He's a badass, legitimate badass.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So I hope that she was well taken care of yesterday,
and I'm relieved she's getting out. I mean, they must
have something to hide if you throw the book at
her on that way and fight so hard to keep her.
I mean, there's no question that there's something sketchy going
on with our elections.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I get that all the time. With the ballot measures.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
People are like, well, why even bother our elections are corrupt,
They're not going to pass.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I disagree. I think it's too big to rig.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I think this is a ninety ten issue and people
are absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Going to vote yes.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And this is a good opportunity to remind everyone that
my organization Protect Kids Colorado did successfully secure three issues
on the ballot in November, so all Colorado's will have
a chance to vote. Make it too big to rig?
Tell everyone you know. And those issues are the Children
Are Not for Sale Act, the Protect Girls' Sports Act,
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and the Protect Children from Irreversible Sex Rejecting Surgery Act,
which I always say is insane. We even have to
say that, but yes it is happening. And every time
I've had the honor to co host or guest host
this show, I've had someone on to talk about doctors
and people who have been through these procedures to just
confirm that, yes, this is happening in Colorado. In fact,
(08:00):
we are what I would call a trans sanctuary state
or even a trans tourism state. Have you heard of
the trans Continental Pipeline?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Oh no, have you heard of it? No?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh my gosh. I encourage everyone go to tcpipeline dot org.
Right now, I'm not making this up. There's an actual
organization that I'm sure it gets government dollars and NGO
that their entire mission is relocating trans identified people to
Colorado to get these procedures. Where it is taxpayer funded.
Insurance companies it's mandatory that they cover it.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
We're going to talk about here.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
In the next segment when we come back from break
a law that was passed last last year that forces
all of us to pay for these procedures. But during
that bill, one Colorado showed up and testified to a
twenty nine hundred percent increase in children being brought across
state lines into Colorado to have these sex rejecting procedures.
And there are over a dozen laws that mandate this
(08:59):
on us. I don't think Colorado taxpayers understand the burden
that's actually falling on them as a result of this
ideology taking over. But after you go to tcpipeline dot
org and see that I'm not crazy. There is a
such thing called the Transcontinental Pipeline where we are likely
paying for people to be moved here. I put out
a list on our resources page on protect Kids Colorado
(09:21):
dot Org. I encourage people to go there next and
look that. See that there are over twenty laws that
have been passed in the last six years that force
gender ideology onto all of us that I believe are unconstitutional,
and we've got a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
To undo it.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So when we come back, we'll talk about that law
that passed last year. We're going to head to break
here listening to The Dan Kaplis Show. This is Aaronlee
filling in, and now back.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
To the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Welcome back to the Dan Kaplis Show. This is Aaron
Lee filling in. Ryan's trying to make me cry with
that song. I remember sitting in my car the day
I dropped my husband off at for boot camp and
just sitting in my car listen to that song and crying.
So you're trying to get me to cry on airn't you.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
It's tough because it's one of those separate the art
from the artists. I know, Natalie mains or political persuasions.
Here's the other part I wanted to get your take on.
They were the Dixie Chicks. They get rid of the
Dixie part. However, I have it on good authority that
a lot of women aren't okay being called chicks either,
So did you have to drop both ends of that name?
(10:28):
One's offensive because it represents the South Dixie and the
other one, Oh, it's kind of a slang term for
women that's outdated.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Interesting. I don't take offense to that.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I no, you don't.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But I get called really really bad things all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So yeah, you call me a chick, Well, chicking the
best you.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Got where I come from in my generation, and I'm
a little bit older than you and the Gen xers.
It was it was growing up, I swear dudes and chicks.
Now Dan disputes this, I do not. So if you
grew up in the Gen X generation like I did,
do you remember like there's the dude, there's the chicks.
They're over there, we're over here.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
No, yeah, I'm the era of dude, where's my car?
So that it is like the least offensive thing. But
again I get called really you know, Kyle Clark calls
me a Christian nationalist who covers children in blood.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
So this song, though, to your point, I remember when
this album came out and it was just stellar in
a wide open spaces and this was on it and
it's a phenomenal song.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I feel like we're of the same generation. Yeah, man,
I missed the nineties.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, well, I think that this would have been what
either late nineties or early two thousands, right around there
under in the year two thousands.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You have to look it up. Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, I'm gonna play clip for everyone soon. And I
wonder if this man would be offended by being called
the chick. Well, there's a clip that went viral. I
shared it on all my pages. You can follow me
Aaron for parental Rights. By the way, everyone, I shared
this on my all my pages earlier today. This went
viral because Wall Street Apes, a really big account, shared it.
And I'm glad it's getting attention because I've been screaming
(11:59):
this the rooftops for years. Thank you Ryan for editing
down this clip that had a few bleeps.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
And but this is this is a clip that's going
viral right now. Oh I think I did it, Space bar.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
How much does your transition cost?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yes? How much does it cost?
Speaker 8 (12:20):
Well, I just got back on many CA But no, no,
you got well.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Free?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Why because my body is priceless?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
No, how is it free? Oh?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Colorado taxpayers.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, not federal, right, just Colorado. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
I hope that because I just rone a four million
dollar check the other day to the I R S.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
If that's paying for literal what are we doing? This is?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
I am nothing wrong with trans but why am I.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Paying for people's Don't get me wrong, I don't think
it should happen either, But I did a vise a
system because why would I pay for it if I
can get it for free?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That check? True? The government, the taxpayers paid for your.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I mean I paid time too, so so.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
No, you're not in a contributor.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
No, we just sent you four thousand dollars back, especially
with your no tax on tip thing and the majority
of his tip. It's honestly, it's just them. I'm not
in favor of the no tax is on tip thing.
It's so stupid. You already contribute nothing and we're it's
this more populous policy of us.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
We should just be getting paid a normal wage toy.
We shouldn't have to get teds. That's fine too, but
advocate for that. It's just so stupid. Is this another
It's just a performative policy, and that's.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Why both yeah, yeah, yeah, we've heard enough, so this
is going viral right now. It's a clip from Caleb Hammer,
who I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I looked him up.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He's a big time YouTuber who gives financial audits financial
advice to people, and he was shocked to learn that
this trans identified man got breast implants off of Colorado
taxpayers dime. Well, I'm not surprised because I've been following
this for over a year. Suddenly it seems like a
lot of people from outside Colorado and within are paying
(13:55):
attention to how our taxpayers are on the hook for
sex rejecting procedures. But I want to refer people to
a bill that pass last year. It's House Built twenty
five Dash thirteen oh nine. It mandates that insurance companies
must pay for any procedure that any one behavioral or
medical professional deems medically necessary for a trans identified person.
(14:17):
So this man who wants breast and plants, we're all
required to pay for it. Our insurance premiums are going up.
I'm sure insurance companies are preparing to flee Colorado like
every other.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Kind of business.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Right now, Medicaid pays for it, but a woman who
is recovering from breast cancer and needs reconstruction is not
guaranteed that same coverage. A man who wants female hormones,
we're all paying for it, but a woman going through
menopause who needs HRT not covered.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I need a bluff roplasty. I have a lifelong condition
where I have baggy eyes. Yes, thank you trolls for
making fun of my baggy eyes. I'm aware that I
have them. My doctor, I was declined medical coverage to
get a bluff ro plasty. But I'll read you the
list that's on this It's any procedure again that any
one doctor deemed or behavioral therapist deems medically necessary. But
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when they pass this law, it explicitly lists hormone therapy,
eyelid surgery, face forehead skin tightening, facial bone remodeling, geneoplasty,
cheek implant, lip or lift or augmentation, orbital recontouring, rhinoplasty,
laser electrolysis, hair removal.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
You're paying for hair removal for men.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
If you wouldn't cover these procedures for just your you know,
garden variety female, yourself, then why would this apply? You
know what I mean to anybody else, just by a
fair measure, Just by a fair measure, right, because I
guess the left doesn't view these as elective surgeries, right,
because of the whole gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Myth, right, the suicide myth.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
If you affirm your gender, then that would be like
me affirming that I'm male and you Aaron. I know
this sounds really banal, but you affirming that you are
in fact female, that would be gender affirming care?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Am I wrong? Sex affirming? I don't like the word gender.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Okay, yeah, progress, there we go. I'll give you one
guess at who ran this bill?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Brian?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yes, I mean I call him Brian Brianna is Brian
House Representative, right, and yep.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Was the prime sponsor of this bill so that we
could all pay for his breast implant and facial reconstruction.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Again, I just try to, I try to come down
on this balls and strikes, unintended fair fair analysis. Here,
would we cover this for somebody who is what do
they call cisgender?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Oh? Gosh, you and me? But I know I hate
the terms too, but let's play by their rules.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
If we wouldn't cover them for the average person off
the street, just to do you know electrolysis?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Are these other things that you're talking about? Then no,
then you have to pay for him too.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
And the loss so vague it says anything they want.
So if they decide they want, I don't know, to
I plant a unicorn horn on their head to feel
more like a unicorn, we have to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
If the doctor says it's medically necessary.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And here's the real kicker. There's no age requirement on this.
So when this was being passed, we tried to get
just an age little like fine, do this to adults.
Don't make us pay for kids to have these procedures.
They wouldn't do it. Every Democrat voted no. And there's
no requirement to prove Colorado residency. So remember when I
just talked about a twenty nine hundred percent increase in
children being brought across state lines.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We're paying for it the Colorado taxpayers.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
And what is I have to believe the math on this, Aaron,
because you have spoken with and your bless you for
what you've done for the d transitioners and what a
nightmare of their lives had become because they were offered
that false promise of they could become the other sex,
you can't. And when they realize that, there's a morbid
kind of depression that sets in understandably, and what the
(17:48):
percentages of those individuals to those Yeah, totally happy, I trans.
I'm great now, it's totally great. It solved all of
my problems.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, it's a minimal percent And people have different variations
of how long it takes before they realize that they've
made a mistake. But for the record, there is no
medical code for detrans, so we're not helping these people
who've realized they've made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
All right, guys, we're going to go to break.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
This is Aaron Lee filling in for Danapolis. You're listening
to us on six point thirty k how this is
a dan Kapli show.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
You're listening to the Dankaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Welcome everyone to the Dankaplis Show. This is Aaron Lee
filling in today. And hey, shout out to local veteran Maj.
Tobin Lewis. Don't forget you can text me at dan
at five seven seven three nine. I got another Texas
at dan stop man boob story and I agree. Look,
there's I would rather talk about anything else in.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
The entire world.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But I pay attention to these things in Colorado and
give your little snippets so.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
That you don't have to That's my daily job here Erin.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
For Dan in particular, I got to edit things like
from the view like you think.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I want to watch the view you think.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I want to cut these clips from Sunny Houstin and
Joy Bayart.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Thank you everyone for the texting though I appreciate it,
and please, like I said, I if you're a veteran
in Texas, so I can give you a shout out
thank you for your service. And next up on the
line another fellow military wife. She is one of my
dearest friends. I call her my spiritual battle buddy. We
carry each other off the field. She is the executive
director of the Colorado Peer Advocacy Network, a board member
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on my org Protect Kids Colorado. One of the hardest
working people I've ever met. She does so much good
for so many people and truly expects nothing in return.
Laurie Gimmelstein, Welcome to the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Well, thank you, Erin. It's great to be here and
we talk.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Every day about how cool to do it for everyone
else to listen. Congratulations on making it through another ledge
session in Colorado. I know you worked really hard fighting
House Bill twenty six Dash ten thirty nine. So if
you can help listeners understand, let's start with that. That's
one that really snuck under the radar. I don't think
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people even I didn't have a lot of time to
pay attention to it. So can you help listeners understand
what that bill does and how deceptively they pushed it through?
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Absolutely so thirteen oh nine is there There were some
good parts to that bill in regards to disputes around
domestic abuse, and it was really interesting to read through
this nineteen page bill and come to find out that
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there were inclusions on it that really violated parental authority.
And really what it's sought to do was it's addresses,
as I said, great changes on domestic violent statues and
family court proceedings. But when it comes to remember back
a year ago when you and I and all of
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our coalition partners stood on the west steps of the
Capitol fighting back to oppose House Build twenty five thirteen
twelve sought to one of the worst ever that what
really sought to define coerceive control. As a parent who
is stiff was just saying, wait, we're going to just
(21:26):
wait on this concern that you're having, you're around this
distress around your gender. They wanted to make that abuse,
which you know, if you are a parent that has
a child navigating distress around their gender because they're constantly
being told they should be questioning their gender in schools,
on social media, that if you were a parent that
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didn't instantly affirm that that they were going to not
only call that abuse, but you was risk losing your
child to the state. And so what we saw this year,
and interestingly, a Senator from Boulder, Katie Wallace, brought this language,
this coercive control language back in a bill deceptively titled
(22:08):
Legal Protections for the Dignity of Minors. It was sent
at Bill twenty six eighteen, and you know, we were
able to rally a lot of support like we did
on thirteen twelve to have that language struck in that bill.
And she said during committee hearing, we will bring this back,
we will bring the back in the House, and they did,
and they did it in thirteen oh nine, and they
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hid it in this bill that was you know, just
so much incredibly emotional testimony by by people who have
suffered severe domestic abuse. I mean your heart just breaks
listening to them tell their stories. And this bill sought
to really remedy a portion of that, but they put
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the coercive control language in. And I remember signing up
to testify against this bill, and of course, you know,
you and I and three Thould and other individuals in
Data to Colorado are trying to get three incredible ballid
initiatives on at the same time to protect children that
were trying to lobby against these oppressive bills. And you know,
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people are tied up and doing so many things, and
the legislature knows this. They throw it in everywhere they can.
They try to distract us. And I was signed up
to give testimony and they I missed by my term
on zoom, so they had all the people opposing it
go first, and then they had all the people supporting
the bill gift testimony after.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Of course that's what they do, right exactly.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
But I got to go. I wrote in and I said, hey,
I missed my time, my apologies, and they said, oh,
you can testify at the end of this. So I
have the opportunity to hear the testimony and support of
the bill. And again, you know I said, I just
my heart ached to these people. I sympathize with them
so much. But what is going to happen when your
ex who you have experienced extreme abuse from you? This
(24:00):
is this loophole to take your children away from you.
That is what is going to happen. So if you
think this bill to you know, improve domestic abuse cases,
is going to help you, wait until your ex finds
out this loophole that they can take your child away
from you just by declaring that you do not support
a newly declared gender identity.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
How sad that they're hijacking this is a legitimate need
to protect people from in these custody situations from abusive parents.
But what people need to understand is that it's not
just the gender stuff. This restricted a parent's ability to
restrict screen time, to have a say in who their
kids are friends with. I mean, it's it's like restricting
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parents from being parents. If you're a good parent, you
could lose your kid for it.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
In Colorado, one hundred percent, it is restricting parenting. So
it's absolutely is absurd. And the bill also interfered with
controlling or preventing access to contraceptive use or reproductive healthcare.
And our friends over at the Catholic Conference, we're very
concerned that this could even look like a father, you know,
(25:07):
trying to save the life of his preborn child. And so,
you know, there were all these elements, and you and
I know we were at title Board trying to secure
initiatives for the ballot, and the single subject rule is
so strict, and it just blows my mind that we
don't have these single subject topics in the legislature. I'm
(25:31):
always shocked, especially knowing what you and I went through
up at title Board to secure the ballot initiatives in
twenty twenty four, and then in this last go around
where you were up at title Board to secure protecting
girls sports and protecting children from sex trafficking and protecting
children from irreversible the sex change surgeries. You know that
(25:52):
how complex and complicated it is to get these single
subject rulings. So yeah, thirteen oh nine is I'm very hopeful.
I know a lot of coalition partners, like the Colorado
Catholic Conference, United Community Leaders of Colorado, our organization the
Colorado Here Now because the Network and many other incredible
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groups have asked Governor Polis to veto this bill, and
so all eyes around Governor Polis and what he's going
to do. He has not signed it yet, and he
has a real great opportunity to protect parental rights by
not signing.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
This bill rules for me, but not for the over
at the capital. That's how the single subject works good.
So there's a tangible way that listeners can take action.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You need to contact.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Governor Polis's office and say veto House Bill thirteen oh nine.
It is going to harm children and families, is going
to restrict parents from being able to parent. And I
want to keep you around. We only have about a
minute left, but I want to keep you because I
want to talk about a subject that a lot of
people don't understand is so prevalent in Colorado, and it's
a term that my next guest in the next hour,
(26:55):
doctor James Lindsay coin gender trafficking, where you and I
know a dozen parents who have actually lost custody of
their kids because they were unwilling to transition them to
the opposite sex. They were unwilling to call them the
name or push them down that medicalization path. You've helped
a couple of them through absolute darkness, and unfortunately we've
never won in these cases. Every parent we've tried to
(27:18):
help has lost custody of their kids.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
Yeah, we have one case pending appeal right now on
a medical transition of a child that I be happy
to share with the listeners. And people need to realize
this is really happening to real people.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
You know.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
We are currently helping over twenty eight families that are
navigating gender ideology and many families who have lost custodial rights.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's absolutely insane.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Well, hang with me, Laurie if you can, and we're
gonna head to break now, but we will be right
back after this. You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show.
This is Aaron Lee filling in on six point thirty
k how.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
And now back to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well, welcome back to the Dan capless Show. This is
Aaron Lee filling in.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
There's Ryan Russ responding to one of our listeners. Thank
you for sending these texts. Remember you can text me
Dan at five seven seven three nine. I have several
people asking when is Dan coming back? Is Dan coming back?
He is he's off for a couple of weeks. I'm
sorry you're stuck with people like me until then, but.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Dany to be back now. It's sad about you. People
love you. You kidding made come on.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's mostly good stuff today to get some hate mail
last time. Also seven asking will the GOP governor debate
be available online? I'm being told Ryan it's Colorado Christian
University live stream only on.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
The website, and it will likely be archived on YouTube
and those other types of platforms. But a little disappointing
that tonight's debate is not televised live. You would think
on CBS Colorado channel four locally here in Denver, as
Sean Boyd is one of the three moderators, But that's
not the case.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Darn well, tune into Colorado Christian University's website. Should be
a good what two person debate?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Now?
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Marks?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Right, two people, three podiums.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
So you've got Representative Scott Bottoms, you got Senator Barb Kirkmeyer,
and you got a podium reserve for Victor Marks if
you decide just to show up, which she has said
he will not.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Have you seen the Twitter page that's Victor Marx would
love to debate, but he can't.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Right, It's great.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
It's like the opposite of Chuck Norris.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Facts.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yes, there really is chance.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Of rain today, so dude to chance of rain, Victor
Marx will not be the debate. That's funny. I again,
I'm neutral. I don't endorse, just throwing that out there. Okay, Well,
thank you everyone for tuning back in with this. I
still have Lori g on the line and we're talking
some heavy stuff with this gender trafficking nonsense. But it's
just something that she and I deal with on a
daily basis helping. She said over twenty eight families that
(29:32):
she's helping at the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network. So let's
get back into it. Welcome back, Laura Gimmelshein.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Thank you Erin. Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
So I let's talk.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
First of all, I know you and I last year
met Jason Zook, who his story is already over. There's
not a whole lot we can do. He's a public
school teacher who has ex wife.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I believe they.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Were seven and nine, his boys, she suddenly left him,
suddenly proclaimed trans identity after twenty years together, and then
all of this, both of their boys were suddenly trans
and non binary, and he found himself at Children's Hospital
True Center and they were trying to put his nine
year old on puberty blockers, and he just expressed healthy skepticism,
like he's a self proclaimed far leftist maybe would have
(30:14):
gone along with it, and he was just like, can
you just tell me the side effects, like A, there
are there bad things I should anticipate. And for doing that,
because he's a school teacher who couldn't afford a lawyer,
he went pro se. He lost full custody of both
of his boys permanently. If that is heartbreaking, and I
know you've helped parents like Cindy Stein and Jane Mayine.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
What's going on with Jean's case.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Well, Jean's case is currently in the appeal process in
Colorado family courts, So we are hopefully appealing the removal
of medical custody from Jane. So he did not lose
a physical custody of his children. He is just not
allowed to speak with his child about any issues related
(30:58):
to gender identity and not allowed to participate in any
medical appointments or outcomes. So all those decisions are made
by his ex wife, as appointed by the appellate decision,
and so we're helping him appeal that case. As you know,
litigation takes a very long time, it is very costly,
(31:20):
and you know, Gene is funding this appeal independently. CPN
has been helping him with a fundraiser. We've had many
wonderful supporters of the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network gives to
his fundraiser to raise funds to really fight back and
appeal this decision. But you know, we're seeing this with
multiple families, families, you know, especially when families are in
(31:44):
a divorced situation where you have one parent against the
other in the court system siding with the gender refirming
parent because of laws in the state of Colorado that
require not only medical professionals and clinical therapists, but parents
to be gender affirming. And so you know, even before
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the coercive control language gets added to bills like House
Built twenty six, thirteen oh nine around gender affirmation, that
we're seeing parents already lose custody before it's even codified
into a lot. And we've been seeing this for years.
And so with Gan's case, we're pending appeal. We also
(32:26):
have a case right now with the Center for American
Liberty against Brighton School District, the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network facilitated.
We did a lot of strategic coordination documentation with this
family that submitted a confidential incident report via incident report
tool on our website at Coloradoparents dot org, and Brighton
(32:47):
School District actually transitioned both psychosocially and medically their thirteen
year old daughter before twenty twenty four, when Governor Polis
signed into law House built twenty four ten thirty nine
non legal name changes, which made that practice that you
and I both are very familiar with of school districts
(33:08):
concealing a gender transition from the parents and doing psychosocial
interventions changing a child's name, changing their pronouns, changing the
facilities that they use. And so with this case against
Brighton School District, we've actually had oral arguments at the
Tenth Circuit. We're still waiting for results, but praise God,
(33:31):
the Marabelli case in Scotis came out while we're waiting
and we were able to submit additional documentation on the
Marabelli ruling, which sides with parents that schools in California
cannot hide gender transitions it's a huge win for parents
across the nation, and we're hopeful to have a good
(33:53):
ruling from the Tenth Circuit in this case. But unfortunately,
when we started this case several a couple years ago,
we were hoping to get an injunction, a statewide injunction
on ten thirty nine that that was the purpose of
this case, and recently through the Casta versus Trump litigation hearing,
(34:14):
we now know that that's no longer a possibility. So
Scoots ruled in that only a plaintiff can receive injunctive relief,
not an entire blanket sweep across the state. So now
the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network is mobilizing to not just
have subscriptions where people can just sign up to stay
engaged in and formed in our organization, but also to
(34:37):
become members. So we're going to have a litigation arm
so that we can do facilitate legal action on behalf
of Colorado's parents in the state, so that we can
have injunctive relief across it or maybe not just for
an individual plaintiff.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
That is great news, Laurie, thank you for all your
good work to help families like mine. I want to
help just defer people to Rocky Mountain Voice, but had
a great article called the Pooter Records today about the
same thing happening to my family in the.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Pewter School District.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
We'll have doctor James lindsay when we come back from break.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
And welcome everyone to The Dankaplis Show.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
This is Aaron Lee with Protect Kids, Colorado, filling in
again for Dan.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Happy.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
What is it Tuesday?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I hope everyone had a RESTful, reflective Memorial Day weekend.
Ryan and I on Friday, we're talking about this like,
you can't really say happy.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's not necessarily a happy holiday.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Ye, it's like saying happy Good Friday. You don't do
that one either if you're in.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
The Christian faith, right, But it is a time to
stop reflect, be grateful for the people who've paid the
ultimate sacrifice. It's certainly a somber holiday, and I know
it's cliche, but it reminds us that freedom truly isn't free.
That we live in the greatest country in the world
because people pay the ultimate sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
And Ryan, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's annoying that there's an entire month dedicated to sexual oriente.
But our fallen military members get one day. Veterans get
one day month, right, But you know, joining the military
is truly a selfless act. It's offering yourself up for
your countrymen, not for attention, not for recognition. So not
surprising they don't demand an entire month or I think
(01:17):
what's now like half of the calendar year are LGBTQ holidays.
But I hope everyone took time to reflect and honor
the ultimate sacrifice. A friend from high school of mine
just lost her husband, who I also went to high
school with, in the epic Fury refueling accident on March twelfth,
Captain Seth Coval and I certainly prayed for her and
their young son yesterday and all the families left behind.
(01:39):
I actually noticed on Facebook she shared Romans eight eighteen
for I consider that the sufferings of this present time
are not worth comparing with the.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Glory that is to be revealed to us.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So glad to see that she's coping well on such
a hard holiday. She's she's young, she's what thirty seven
thirty eight and has a young son and just lost
her husband. So pray for those who have fallen and
the people that they've left behind, and I know memorial
days about those who've died, So I hope no one
gets upset by me taking a moment just to talk
about the military and veterans more broadly. But it's personal
(02:13):
for me though I never served. All the most important
men in my life are veterans. My favorite uncle dodged
the USS Indianapolis, only to.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Pass a few years ago. My dad was a Vietnam
vet who.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Actually landed his first tour during the tet Offensive. He
thought it was like a celebration or fireworks. They couldn't
even land the plane because the battle was so bad.
My brother, as a Navy corman, was actually a first
responder to nine to eleven on the USS comfort And
I'm a proud Army wife supported my husband all four
years he was.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
In Our daughter was born while we were in the Army.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
We went through deployment and I'll just never forget when
my husband came home and our daughter, who was just
one year old, didn't even recognize him. We had to
take time for her to realize that that was dad
and get to know him. My gosh, to military families
not get enough credit. I wish they had a day.
It is so hard to pick up and leave everything
(03:08):
behind to go to whatever duty station the military sends
you to when you sign your name on that dotted line.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I want to remind everyone that we.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
The text line is open at five seven seven three
nine texts Dan. I would love to hear from you
veterans who have served, hear about your family members who
were lost in battle or passed away. It's important that
we not just remember for one day, but that we
continue to take time to remember our military members and
(03:37):
the spouses who have to have a mobile career, the
kids who have to change schools and go a year
or more without seeing their parent. What a sacrifice our
military members make for our country. Have you seen those videos, Ryan,
of the soldiers coming home. I bawl my eyes out
every time.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's somber and it's very tough.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, it's super emotional. So everyone, I hope you took
time to remember the fallen. I hope you take the time.
I'm often to appreciate those who have served and continue
to do so, and please don't forget their families.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Going on in Colorado today. I'm just reading on this
sheet here Ryan that Kirkmeyer says Peters was convicted and
that we shouldn't have granted clemency.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Am I reading that right?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Well, she's not as far along in my understanding of
what she says on that path as Governor Jared Poulis was,
as he thought it was an unfair sentence. Now, the
point that Senator Kirkmeyer makes is that she wants to
be fair and a fair arbiter and consistent, and that
she didn't like what Governor Polis did with Rogelle Maderos.
(04:41):
That was the runaway truck driver that incinerated the people
in I seventy. Kim Kardashian gets in Jared Pulis's ears
whisper sweet nothing's and he reduces of what was like
one hundred and ten years sentence down to ten years
or something like that.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
And the families were outraged, so.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
As well they should be.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Senator Kirkmeyer mentioned that as kind of a a bar
and that, hey, I got to call balls and strikes here.
This is my interpretation of what she said on the issue.
But Governor Polis has said flat out that he didn't
think the sentence was fair and it wasn't in line
with other sentences along those lines, and I kind of
land where he is on this. I know Representative Bottoms,
(05:17):
who will be in the debate tonight that I'll be
covering at Colorado Christian University. He's, for a full outright part,
doesn't feel that Tina Peters committed any crimes whatsoever. Senator
Kirk Myers says, hey, she was convicted by a jury
of her peers Republican prosecutor Dan Rubinstein in Mason County.
So there's a lot of daylight between them on this issue,
and then we're going to see that. I think illustrating
(05:38):
the debate tonight.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Interesting But didn't poliss but didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Wasn't there a slap on the rist for a state
representative who was accused of the exact same crime.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
It's the state senator, and yes he cited that as
the example, and who knows, had that not happened, there
might not have been that point of contrast that finally
pushed Governor Polis over the edge. Say you know what,
when the grant clemency to Tina Peters, and for those
of us that that feel that it is unfair how
she's been treated, I think that you know, Governor Polos
deserves I think he deserves credit for what he did.
(06:08):
It took political courage, no matter what the calculation or
the motivation was, was not convenient for him, certainly with
his own party, they censured him.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So I'm going to give him just do on that.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
You don't think that it was all calculated for his
run for president, of course it was.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
But the end result is Tina is getting out of
prison on June first.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I think she'll take it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I think she'll take it.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And speaking of Memorial Day, she's a gold star mom,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, what ultimate sacrifice right there.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Her only child was lost as what was he a
ranger or a feal? I believe like an absolute bad
bad guy in.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
A good way.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Okay, I can say bad ass. He's a badass, legitimate badass.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
So I hope that she was well taken care of yesterday,
and I'm relieved she's getting out. I mean, they must
have something to hide if you throw the book at
her on that way and fight so hard to keep her.
I mean, there's no question that there's something sketchy going
on with our elections.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I get that all the time. With the ballot measures.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
People are like, well, why even bother our elections are corrupt,
They're not going to pass.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I disagree. I think it's too big to rig.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I think this is a ninety ten issue and people
are absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Going to vote yes.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
And this is a good opportunity to remind everyone that
my organization Protect Kids Colorado did successfully secure three issues
on the ballot in November, so all Colorado's will have
a chance to vote. Make it too big to rig?
Tell everyone you know. And those issues are the Children
Are Not for Sale Act, the Protect Girls' Sports Act,
(07:38):
and the Protect Children from Irreversible Sex Rejecting Surgery Act,
which I always say is insane. We even have to
say that, but yes it is happening. And every time
I've had the honor to co host or guest host
this show, I've had someone on to talk about doctors
and people who have been through these procedures to just
confirm that, yes, this is happening in Colorado. In fact,
(08:00):
we are what I would call a trans sanctuary state
or even a trans tourism state. Have you heard of
the trans Continental Pipeline?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Oh no, have you heard of it? No?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Oh my gosh. I encourage everyone go to tcpipeline dot org.
Right now, I'm not making this up. There's an actual
organization that I'm sure it gets government dollars and NGO
that their entire mission is relocating trans identified people to
Colorado to get these procedures. Where it is taxpayer funded.
Insurance companies it's mandatory that they cover it.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
We're going to talk about here.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
In the next segment when we come back from break
a law that was passed last last year that forces
all of us to pay for these procedures. But during
that bill, one Colorado showed up and testified to a
twenty nine hundred percent increase in children being brought across
state lines into Colorado to have these sex rejecting procedures.
And there are over a dozen laws that mandate this
(08:59):
on us. I don't think Colorado taxpayers understand the burden
that's actually falling on them as a result of this
ideology taking over. But after you go to tcpipeline dot
org and see that I'm not crazy. There is a
such thing called the Transcontinental Pipeline where we are likely
paying for people to be moved here. I put out
a list on our resources page on protect Kids Colorado
(09:21):
dot Org. I encourage people to go there next and
look that. See that there are over twenty laws that
have been passed in the last six years that force
gender ideology onto all of us that I believe are unconstitutional,
and we've got a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
To undo it.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So when we come back, we'll talk about that law
that passed last year. We're going to head to break
here listening to The Dan Kaplis Show. This is Aaronlee
filling in, and now back.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
To the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Welcome back to the Dan Kaplis Show. This is Aaron
Lee filling in. Ryan's trying to make me cry with
that song. I remember sitting in my car the day
I dropped my husband off at for boot camp and
just sitting in my car listen to that song and crying.
So you're trying to get me to cry on airn't you.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
It's tough because it's one of those separate the art
from the artists. I know, Natalie mains or political persuasions.
Here's the other part I wanted to get your take on.
They were the Dixie Chicks. They get rid of the
Dixie part. However, I have it on good authority that
a lot of women aren't okay being called chicks either,
So did you have to drop both ends of that name?
(10:28):
One's offensive because it represents the South Dixie and the
other one, Oh, it's kind of a slang term for
women that's outdated.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Interesting. I don't take offense to that.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I no, you don't.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But I get called really really bad things all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So yeah, you call me a chick, Well, chicking the
best you.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Got where I come from in my generation, and I'm
a little bit older than you and the Gen xers.
It was it was growing up, I swear dudes and chicks.
Now Dan disputes this, I do not. So if you
grew up in the Gen X generation like I did,
do you remember like there's the dude, there's the chicks.
They're over there, we're over here.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
No, yeah, I'm the era of dude, where's my car?
So that it is like the least offensive thing. But
again I get called really you know, Kyle Clark calls
me a Christian nationalist who covers children in blood.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
So this song, though, to your point, I remember when
this album came out and it was just stellar in
a wide open spaces and this was on it and
it's a phenomenal song.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I feel like we're of the same generation. Yeah, man,
I missed the nineties.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, well, I think that this would have been what
either late nineties or early two thousands, right around there
under in the year two thousands.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You have to look it up. Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, I'm gonna play clip for everyone soon. And I
wonder if this man would be offended by being called
the chick. Well, there's a clip that went viral. I
shared it on all my pages. You can follow me
Aaron for parental Rights. By the way, everyone, I shared
this on my all my pages earlier today. This went
viral because Wall Street Apes, a really big account, shared it.
And I'm glad it's getting attention because I've been screaming
(11:59):
this the rooftops for years. Thank you Ryan for editing
down this clip that had a few bleeps.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
And but this is this is a clip that's going
viral right now. Oh I think I did it, Space bar.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
How much does your transition cost?
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yes? How much does it cost?
Speaker 8 (12:20):
Well, I just got back on many CA But no, no,
you got well.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Free?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Why because my body is priceless?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
No, how is it free? Oh?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Colorado taxpayers.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, not federal, right, just Colorado. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
I hope that because I just rone a four million
dollar check the other day to the I R S.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
If that's paying for literal what are we doing? This is?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
I am nothing wrong with trans but why am I.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Paying for people's Don't get me wrong, I don't think
it should happen either, But I did a vise a
system because why would I pay for it if I
can get it for free?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
That check? True? The government, the taxpayers paid for your.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I mean I paid time too, so so.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
No, you're not in a contributor.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
No, we just sent you four thousand dollars back, especially
with your no tax on tip thing and the majority
of his tip. It's honestly, it's just them. I'm not
in favor of the no tax is on tip thing.
It's so stupid. You already contribute nothing and we're it's
this more populous policy of us.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
We should just be getting paid a normal wage toy.
We shouldn't have to get teds. That's fine too, but
advocate for that. It's just so stupid. Is this another
It's just a performative policy, and that's.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Why both yeah, yeah, yeah, we've heard enough, so this
is going viral right now. It's a clip from Caleb Hammer,
who I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I looked him up.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He's a big time YouTuber who gives financial audits financial
advice to people, and he was shocked to learn that
this trans identified man got breast implants off of Colorado
taxpayers dime. Well, I'm not surprised because I've been following
this for over a year. Suddenly it seems like a
lot of people from outside Colorado and within are paying
(13:55):
attention to how our taxpayers are on the hook for
sex rejecting procedures. But I want to refer people to
a bill that pass last year. It's House Built twenty
five Dash thirteen oh nine. It mandates that insurance companies
must pay for any procedure that any one behavioral or
medical professional deems medically necessary for a trans identified person.
(14:17):
So this man who wants breast and plants, we're all
required to pay for it. Our insurance premiums are going up.
I'm sure insurance companies are preparing to flee Colorado like
every other.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Kind of business.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Right now, Medicaid pays for it, but a woman who
is recovering from breast cancer and needs reconstruction is not
guaranteed that same coverage. A man who wants female hormones,
we're all paying for it, but a woman going through
menopause who needs HRT not covered.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I need a bluff roplasty. I have a lifelong condition
where I have baggy eyes. Yes, thank you trolls for
making fun of my baggy eyes. I'm aware that I
have them. My doctor, I was declined medical coverage to
get a bluff ro plasty. But I'll read you the
list that's on this It's any procedure again that any
one doctor deemed or behavioral therapist deems medically necessary. But
(15:05):
when they pass this law, it explicitly lists hormone therapy,
eyelid surgery, face forehead skin tightening, facial bone remodeling, geneoplasty,
cheek implant, lip or lift or augmentation, orbital recontouring, rhinoplasty,
laser electrolysis, hair removal.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
You're paying for hair removal for men.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
If you wouldn't cover these procedures for just your you know,
garden variety female, yourself, then why would this apply? You
know what I mean to anybody else, just by a
fair measure, Just by a fair measure, right, because I
guess the left doesn't view these as elective surgeries, right,
because of the whole gender affirming care.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Myth, right, the suicide myth.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
If you affirm your gender, then that would be like
me affirming that I'm male and you Aaron. I know
this sounds really banal, but you affirming that you are
in fact female, that would be gender affirming care?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Am I wrong? Sex affirming? I don't like the word gender.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Okay, yeah, progress, there we go. I'll give you one
guess at who ran this bill?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Brian?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yes, I mean I call him Brian Brianna is Brian
House Representative, right, and yep.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Was the prime sponsor of this bill so that we
could all pay for his breast implant and facial reconstruction.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Again, I just try to, I try to come down
on this balls and strikes, unintended fair fair analysis. Here,
would we cover this for somebody who is what do
they call cisgender?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Oh? Gosh, you and me? But I know I hate
the terms too, but let's play by their rules.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
If we wouldn't cover them for the average person off
the street, just to do you know electrolysis?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Are these other things that you're talking about? Then no,
then you have to pay for him too.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
And the loss so vague it says anything they want.
So if they decide they want, I don't know, to
I plant a unicorn horn on their head to feel
more like a unicorn, we have to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
If the doctor says it's medically necessary.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And here's the real kicker. There's no age requirement on this.
So when this was being passed, we tried to get
just an age little like fine, do this to adults.
Don't make us pay for kids to have these procedures.
They wouldn't do it. Every Democrat voted no. And there's
no requirement to prove Colorado residency. So remember when I
just talked about a twenty nine hundred percent increase in
children being brought across state lines.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We're paying for it the Colorado taxpayers.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
And what is I have to believe the math on this, Aaron,
because you have spoken with and your bless you for
what you've done for the d transitioners and what a
nightmare of their lives had become because they were offered
that false promise of they could become the other sex,
you can't. And when they realize that, there's a morbid
kind of depression that sets in understandably, and what the
(17:48):
percentages of those individuals to those Yeah, totally happy, I trans.
I'm great now, it's totally great. It solved all of
my problems.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, it's a minimal percent And people have different variations
of how long it takes before they realize that they've
made a mistake. But for the record, there is no
medical code for detrans, so we're not helping these people
who've realized they've made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
All right, guys, we're going to go to break.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
This is Aaron Lee filling in for Danapolis. You're listening
to us on six point thirty k how this is
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Speaker 6 (18:33):
You're listening to the Dankaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Welcome everyone to the Dankaplis Show. This is Aaron Lee
filling in today. And hey, shout out to local veteran Maj.
Tobin Lewis. Don't forget you can text me at dan
at five seven seven three nine. I got another Texas
at dan stop man boob story and I agree. Look,
there's I would rather talk about anything else in.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
The entire world.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
But I pay attention to these things in Colorado and
give your little snippets so.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
That you don't have to That's my daily job here Erin.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
For Dan in particular, I got to edit things like
from the view like you think.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I want to watch the view you think.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I want to cut these clips from Sunny Houstin and
Joy Bayart.
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You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Thank you everyone for the texting though I appreciate it,
and please, like I said, I if you're a veteran
in Texas, so I can give you a shout out
thank you for your service. And next up on the
line another fellow military wife. She is one of my
dearest friends. I call her my spiritual battle buddy. We
carry each other off the field. She is the executive
director of the Colorado Peer Advocacy Network, a board member
(19:37):
on my org Protect Kids Colorado. One of the hardest
working people I've ever met. She does so much good
for so many people and truly expects nothing in return.
Laurie Gimmelstein, Welcome to the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Well, thank you, Erin. It's great to be here and
we talk.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Every day about how cool to do it for everyone
else to listen. Congratulations on making it through another ledge
session in Colorado. I know you worked really hard fighting
House Bill twenty six Dash ten thirty nine. So if
you can help listeners understand, let's start with that. That's
one that really snuck under the radar. I don't think
(20:13):
people even I didn't have a lot of time to
pay attention to it. So can you help listeners understand
what that bill does and how deceptively they pushed it through?
Speaker 9 (20:22):
Absolutely so thirteen oh nine is there There were some
good parts to that bill in regards to disputes around
domestic abuse, and it was really interesting to read through
this nineteen page bill and come to find out that
(20:43):
there were inclusions on it that really violated parental authority.
And really what it's sought to do was it's addresses,
as I said, great changes on domestic violent statues and
family court proceedings. But when it comes to remember back
a year ago when you and I and all of
(21:05):
our coalition partners stood on the west steps of the
Capitol fighting back to oppose House Build twenty five thirteen
twelve sought to one of the worst ever that what
really sought to define coerceive control. As a parent who
is stiff was just saying, wait, we're going to just
(21:26):
wait on this concern that you're having, you're around this
distress around your gender. They wanted to make that abuse,
which you know, if you are a parent that has
a child navigating distress around their gender because they're constantly
being told they should be questioning their gender in schools,
on social media, that if you were a parent that
(21:47):
didn't instantly affirm that that they were going to not
only call that abuse, but you was risk losing your
child to the state. And so what we saw this year,
and interestingly, a Senator from Boulder, Katie Wallace, brought this language,
this coercive control language back in a bill deceptively titled
(22:08):
Legal Protections for the Dignity of Minors. It was sent
at Bill twenty six eighteen, and you know, we were
able to rally a lot of support like we did
on thirteen twelve to have that language struck in that bill.
And she said during committee hearing, we will bring this back,
we will bring the back in the House, and they did,
and they did it in thirteen oh nine, and they
(22:30):
hid it in this bill that was you know, just
so much incredibly emotional testimony by by people who have
suffered severe domestic abuse. I mean your heart just breaks
listening to them tell their stories. And this bill sought
to really remedy a portion of that, but they put
(22:50):
the coercive control language in. And I remember signing up
to testify against this bill, and of course, you know,
you and I and three Thould and other individuals in
Data to Colorado are trying to get three incredible ballid
initiatives on at the same time to protect children that
were trying to lobby against these oppressive bills. And you know,
(23:11):
people are tied up and doing so many things, and
the legislature knows this. They throw it in everywhere they can.
They try to distract us. And I was signed up
to give testimony and they I missed by my term
on zoom, so they had all the people opposing it
go first, and then they had all the people supporting
the bill gift testimony after.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Of course that's what they do, right exactly.
Speaker 9 (23:36):
But I got to go. I wrote in and I said, hey,
I missed my time, my apologies, and they said, oh,
you can testify at the end of this. So I
have the opportunity to hear the testimony and support of
the bill. And again, you know I said, I just
my heart ached to these people. I sympathize with them
so much. But what is going to happen when your
ex who you have experienced extreme abuse from you? This
(24:00):
is this loophole to take your children away from you.
That is what is going to happen. So if you
think this bill to you know, improve domestic abuse cases,
is going to help you, wait until your ex finds
out this loophole that they can take your child away
from you just by declaring that you do not support
a newly declared gender identity.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
How sad that they're hijacking this is a legitimate need
to protect people from in these custody situations from abusive parents.
But what people need to understand is that it's not
just the gender stuff. This restricted a parent's ability to
restrict screen time, to have a say in who their
kids are friends with. I mean, it's it's like restricting
(24:41):
parents from being parents. If you're a good parent, you
could lose your kid for it.
Speaker 9 (24:45):
In Colorado, one hundred percent, it is restricting parenting. So
it's absolutely is absurd. And the bill also interfered with
controlling or preventing access to contraceptive use or reproductive healthcare.
And our friends over at the Catholic Conference, we're very
concerned that this could even look like a father, you know,
(25:07):
trying to save the life of his preborn child. And so,
you know, there were all these elements, and you and
I know we were at title Board trying to secure
initiatives for the ballot, and the single subject rule is
so strict, and it just blows my mind that we
don't have these single subject topics in the legislature. I'm
(25:31):
always shocked, especially knowing what you and I went through
up at title Board to secure the ballot initiatives in
twenty twenty four, and then in this last go around
where you were up at title Board to secure protecting
girls sports and protecting children from sex trafficking and protecting
children from irreversible the sex change surgeries. You know that
(25:52):
how complex and complicated it is to get these single
subject rulings. So yeah, thirteen oh nine is I'm very hopeful.
I know a lot of coalition partners, like the Colorado
Catholic Conference, United Community Leaders of Colorado, our organization the
Colorado Here Now because the Network and many other incredible
(26:12):
groups have asked Governor Polis to veto this bill, and
so all eyes around Governor Polis and what he's going
to do. He has not signed it yet, and he
has a real great opportunity to protect parental rights by
not signing.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
This bill rules for me, but not for the over
at the capital. That's how the single subject works good.
So there's a tangible way that listeners can take action.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You need to contact.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Governor Polis's office and say veto House Bill thirteen oh nine.
It is going to harm children and families, is going
to restrict parents from being able to parent. And I
want to keep you around. We only have about a
minute left, but I want to keep you because I
want to talk about a subject that a lot of
people don't understand is so prevalent in Colorado, and it's
a term that my next guest in the next hour,
(26:55):
doctor James Lindsay coin gender trafficking, where you and I
know a dozen parents who have actually lost custody of
their kids because they were unwilling to transition them to
the opposite sex. They were unwilling to call them the
name or push them down that medicalization path. You've helped
a couple of them through absolute darkness, and unfortunately we've
never won in these cases. Every parent we've tried to
(27:18):
help has lost custody of their kids.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
Yeah, we have one case pending appeal right now on
a medical transition of a child that I be happy
to share with the listeners. And people need to realize
this is really happening to real people.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
You know.
Speaker 9 (27:33):
We are currently helping over twenty eight families that are
navigating gender ideology and many families who have lost custodial rights.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's absolutely insane.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Well, hang with me, Laurie if you can, and we're
gonna head to break now, but we will be right
back after this. You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show.
This is Aaron Lee filling in on six point thirty
k how.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
And now back to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well, welcome back to the Dan capless Show. This is
Aaron Lee filling in.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
There's Ryan Russ responding to one of our listeners. Thank
you for sending these texts. Remember you can text me
Dan at five seven seven three nine. I have several
people asking when is Dan coming back? Is Dan coming back?
He is he's off for a couple of weeks. I'm
sorry you're stuck with people like me until then, but.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Dany to be back now. It's sad about you. People
love you. You kidding made come on.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's mostly good stuff today to get some hate mail
last time. Also seven asking will the GOP governor debate
be available online? I'm being told Ryan it's Colorado Christian
University live stream only on.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
The website, and it will likely be archived on YouTube
and those other types of platforms. But a little disappointing
that tonight's debate is not televised live. You would think
on CBS Colorado channel four locally here in Denver, as
Sean Boyd is one of the three moderators, But that's
not the case.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Darn well, tune into Colorado Christian University's website. Should be
a good what two person debate?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Now?
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Marks?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Right, two people, three podiums.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
So you've got Representative Scott Bottoms, you got Senator Barb Kirkmeyer,
and you got a podium reserve for Victor Marks if
you decide just to show up, which she has said
he will not.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Have you seen the Twitter page that's Victor Marx would
love to debate, but he can't.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Right, It's great.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
It's like the opposite of Chuck Norris.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Facts.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yes, there really is chance.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Of rain today, so dude to chance of rain, Victor
Marx will not be the debate. That's funny. I again,
I'm neutral. I don't endorse, just throwing that out there. Okay, Well,
thank you everyone for tuning back in with this. I
still have Lori g on the line and we're talking
some heavy stuff with this gender trafficking nonsense. But it's
just something that she and I deal with on a
daily basis helping. She said over twenty eight families that
(29:32):
she's helping at the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network. So let's
get back into it. Welcome back, Laura Gimmelshein.
Speaker 9 (29:39):
Thank you Erin. Great to be here.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
So I let's talk.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
First of all, I know you and I last year
met Jason Zook, who his story is already over. There's
not a whole lot we can do. He's a public
school teacher who has ex wife.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I believe they.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Were seven and nine, his boys, she suddenly left him,
suddenly proclaimed trans identity after twenty years together, and then
all of this, both of their boys were suddenly trans
and non binary, and he found himself at Children's Hospital
True Center and they were trying to put his nine
year old on puberty blockers, and he just expressed healthy skepticism,
like he's a self proclaimed far leftist maybe would have
(30:14):
gone along with it, and he was just like, can
you just tell me the side effects, like A, there
are there bad things I should anticipate. And for doing that,
because he's a school teacher who couldn't afford a lawyer,
he went pro se. He lost full custody of both
of his boys permanently. If that is heartbreaking, and I
know you've helped parents like Cindy Stein and Jane Mayine.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
What's going on with Jean's case.
Speaker 9 (30:35):
Well, Jean's case is currently in the appeal process in
Colorado family courts, So we are hopefully appealing the removal
of medical custody from Jane. So he did not lose
a physical custody of his children. He is just not
allowed to speak with his child about any issues related
(30:58):
to gender identity and not allowed to participate in any
medical appointments or outcomes. So all those decisions are made
by his ex wife, as appointed by the appellate decision,
and so we're helping him appeal that case. As you know,
litigation takes a very long time, it is very costly,
(31:20):
and you know, Gene is funding this appeal independently. CPN
has been helping him with a fundraiser. We've had many
wonderful supporters of the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network gives to
his fundraiser to raise funds to really fight back and
appeal this decision. But you know, we're seeing this with
multiple families, families, you know, especially when families are in
(31:44):
a divorced situation where you have one parent against the
other in the court system siding with the gender refirming
parent because of laws in the state of Colorado that
require not only medical professionals and clinical therapists, but parents
to be gender affirming. And so you know, even before
(32:05):
the coercive control language gets added to bills like House
Built twenty six, thirteen oh nine around gender affirmation, that
we're seeing parents already lose custody before it's even codified
into a lot. And we've been seeing this for years.
And so with Gan's case, we're pending appeal. We also
(32:26):
have a case right now with the Center for American
Liberty against Brighton School District, the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network facilitated.
We did a lot of strategic coordination documentation with this
family that submitted a confidential incident report via incident report
tool on our website at Coloradoparents dot org, and Brighton
(32:47):
School District actually transitioned both psychosocially and medically their thirteen
year old daughter before twenty twenty four, when Governor Polis
signed into law House built twenty four ten thirty nine
non legal name changes, which made that practice that you
and I both are very familiar with of school districts
(33:08):
concealing a gender transition from the parents and doing psychosocial
interventions changing a child's name, changing their pronouns, changing the
facilities that they use. And so with this case against
Brighton School District, we've actually had oral arguments at the
Tenth Circuit. We're still waiting for results, but praise God,
(33:31):
the Marabelli case in Scotis came out while we're waiting
and we were able to submit additional documentation on the
Marabelli ruling, which sides with parents that schools in California
cannot hide gender transitions it's a huge win for parents
across the nation, and we're hopeful to have a good
(33:53):
ruling from the Tenth Circuit in this case. But unfortunately,
when we started this case several a couple years ago,
we were hoping to get an injunction, a statewide injunction
on ten thirty nine that that was the purpose of
this case, and recently through the Casta versus Trump litigation hearing,
(34:14):
we now know that that's no longer a possibility. So
Scoots ruled in that only a plaintiff can receive injunctive relief,
not an entire blanket sweep across the state. So now
the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network is mobilizing to not just
have subscriptions where people can just sign up to stay
engaged in and formed in our organization, but also to
(34:37):
become members. So we're going to have a litigation arm
so that we can do facilitate legal action on behalf
of Colorado's parents in the state, so that we can
have injunctive relief across it or maybe not just for
an individual plaintiff.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
That is great news, Laurie, thank you for all your
good work to help families like mine. I want to
help just defer people to Rocky Mountain Voice, but had
a great article called the Pooter Records today about the
same thing happening to my family in the.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Pewter School District.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
We'll have doctor James lindsay when we come back from break.
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