July 10, 2026 • 35 mins
The Colorado governor's race is heating up, and this episode of the Dan Caplis Show is a must-listen for anyone interested in the latest developments. With Victor Marx as the Republican nominee, many are left wondering if he's the right choice for the job. The speaker shares his thoughts on Marx's candidacy, discussing the allegations of abuse and the potential impact on the party's unity.
This episode delves into the complexities of the Colorado governor's race, with the speaker weighing in on the pros and cons of Marx's nomination. He discusses the importance of party cohesion and how it's crucial for the GOP to present a united front in the general election. The conversation also touches on the role of outside factors, such as the influence of social media and the potential impact of young voters on the outcome.
The speaker shares a personal anecdote about a young man falsely accused of rape and the importance of standing up for one's reputation. He also discusses the trend of preferring outsiders in politics, citing the example of Dan Maes and Dave Williams. The conversation is a thought-provoking exploration of the complexities of politics and the importance of doing one's own research.
If you're interested in staying up-to-date on the latest developments in the Colorado governor's race, tune in to this episode of the Dan Kaplis Show. The speaker's insights and analysis provide a unique perspective on the topic, and his thoughts on party unity and the importance of doing one's own research are essential listening for anyone interested in politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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could get some rain, right, I don't want to complicate traffic,
but we all know it's really dry out there, some
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scattered rain throughout the state right now, including some of
our mountain listeners. But boy, we just need like one
of those all day gully washers talking about, of course
topic gay. The Colorado Governor's race, subject of a lot
of national attention, as you would have expected at this point,
get given you know, the uniqueness, the uniqueness of our nominee.
(00:42):
And this is before we get back into some of
these questions we've been rolling with on Victor winning that race.
I do want to mention one thing I hope we
can all agree on, and that is or I expect
that we probably should be able.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
To, and that is lessons to be learned from this.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
And I think there's a very powerful message and it's
an understandable one. No knock on people who serve very
well in public office.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
But there is a very.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Powerful now preference I think among GOP voters for outsiders,
for people who come in with accomplishments outside of politics,
as opposed to people who've been in office, even those
who've done a really good job, like I think Barb
Kirkmeyer has done a really good job in her various offices.
But there's this powerful, powerful preference for successful outsiders. I
(01:30):
get it, and I get the controversy surrounding victor whether
that that success is real or whether it's fraudulent. Those
are kind of the dividing lines in that argument. You know,
I haven't reached my own conclusion yet. I hope to
get a lot more information during this campaign. My bigger point, though,
is just powerful preference in GOP primaries, and it's going
to be interesting to see how that shapes future primaries.
(01:53):
I do at some point in the show. We'll do
more this Monday. I know it's heavy for a Friday,
but it's also a very timely talk about this, this
horrific story of Iran now escalating its attempts to attack America, because,
make no mistake about it, even talking about assassinating an
American president is a direct assault and a direct attack
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on this nation, no different than if Iran landed the
Republican Guard, you know, on the shores of California or Florida.
It is that direct an attack on America. So Iran
now openly openly encouraging and talking about attacking America and
just want to, you know, bring you up to speed
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on that news, et cetera, and pray to god it
doesn't happen. Let's go back to the phone lines, Zach,
I want my screen, Fritz to do we have on one.
I'll get some text while deck clears up. We maybe
it's the Friday afternoon. Maybe it's a little bit of
lightning out there. Dan says texture election is selections, no marks,
(02:57):
but Lopez no compromise and morals jump in the water
is warm? Hey, I like Greg. I like Greg, and
if enjoyed having him on the show over the years,
I think you'd be an excellent governor. I just have
a very very strong preference for voting for the GOP
nominee wherever possible, because if we don't have that party
cohesion wherever possible, there are some limits, right, but if
(03:18):
we don't have that party cohesion, we have no chance,
So wherever possible, I want to do my little part
to try to support that party cohesion, and I do
hope that becomes possible here. Oh thank you, Zach. Yeah,
you know what we should do. Maybe I have a
little bake sale or something to get some new screens
in here. It's really a fascinating thing. I'm trying to
(03:39):
think of a good metaphor. We are so blessed to
work in truly one of the most beautiful radio studios
in America, and I've had the privilege of working out
of many around the country. Like when I'll be off
doing a case and I'll be doing the show, I
pop into a studio. But this is a gorgeous, gorgeous studio.
But we've got like fifty cent computers.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
It's it's remarkable how we need a bake sale. Heard
rumor of a new phone though, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
About that'd be good for a talk show. Robert and Parker,
you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Welcome.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Hey, I just wanted to remind you that Heide Gano,
who ran for governor as a Republican for the last
time and was a strong supporter of Victor Marx she's
telling that the brave Church. But when she went to
his compound in color as friends, she changed her mind
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decisively and she can no longer play back. And I
think it would be great because you could get her own,
because she can give you all the reasons why she
cannot support him anymore. Of the reasons is she said
that his daughter indicated for a number of months before
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he started running for governor that he had abused her
and her brother for a long time, and then when
he started running for governor, she changed her tomb and
started to support him and deny that she had ever
said that. A sort of like Sparkling Syndra, And if
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you ask me, this may be kind of like a
grand Plant Earth and Maine where the woman who race
came out just recently said she still supports him even
though she accused him of sexual abuse and rape.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Forever think you make such an important point.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I appreciate it regarding Heidi Ganal, who I have all
the respect in the world for. By the way, Heidi
and winning the GOP primary in twenty two got three
hundred and forty one thousand votes. Victor got two six
and changed here the points simply being not many unaffiliateds
voted in the GOP prime. I'm Mary this time around,
they all flocked over to that DEM race Greg. In
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twenty twenty two, Greg Lopez got two hundred and ninety
two thousand. So I'm with Chris an earlier caller. Greg
Lopez is going to get a significant number of votes
as an independent. He's well known and he's he's popular.
But yeah, Heidi's thoughts on this way very very very
heavily on me, and listen, I don't mean to be
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pretending as if what I conclude matters. It's just that
I have a show, he's the nominee. It's a very
odd situation, and so I'm just talking about how I'm
trying to approach figuring out whether I can support him,
which I really really want to do, and hopefully the
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information will emerge in this cycle that will allow me
to do it. But that's just where I'm at now,
and I'm sure Heidi will be back on again. My
guess is that that Heidi now that the primary is over, right,
I don't think anybody relishes, any member of the Republican
Party relishes saying anything negative about Victor Marx. Now we're
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in the general election, and now you know, we know
the wickedness of Democrat policies, but I think each individual,
I think there are a lot of people around the
state just going through their own approach to figuring this out,
and for a vast majority of us, I think it's
an approach grounded in morality. And for me, it comes
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back to an archbishop shep h You says God will
judge us on how we vote. So I just want
to think it through that way again, not that it's
going to matter to you or anybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm not presumptuous, but just trying to figure it out
for myself.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Ah more Texters on this, Dan, you have so much
hate for Democrats that you will jump to an ambiguous
candidate like Marx.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Friends, who did he kick?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Question to Mark to see how Barb Kirkmeyer ended her
statement that she released after the race ended. The last
line was, and I still haven't killed anybody. But wait
a second, A text her. I have not jumped to
supporting Victor Marx. I want to and I hope by
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the end he comes forward with information that gives clarity
and tips the scales on these allegations in his favor.
But yeah, Dan tell us how Marx is so moral?
What a great question. I mean, Zach, do you agree
with this analysis that? And it's rare for something to
be this polarized. Some things in life are right, but
(08:41):
it's this polarized. I mean, Victor Marx is one of
either one of the most moral, admirable people to ever
participate in Colorado politics, or he's a fraud.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's one a. I don't see where little ground would
come in.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
It's I can't imagine what that tyro would be. Maybe
the numbers are inflated or some of it's falsified, Like
maybe that could be.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Happy half pregnant, right right, Yeah, that's the thing. It's
bad if you were the Democrats, whould want to kill
that one half. Not the Democrats, that the leaders in
the Democratic Party. But no, you can't be I mean,
if he is what what he's been portrayed to be,
this man willing to put himself often in this high
(09:27):
level of physical danger to go rescue trafficked women and children,
it's hard to be more admirable than that. If, as
his accuser say, he's lied about that, either completely or mostly,
it's hard to imagine much worse than that, right, Am
I missing something in the analysis. So I'm very, very
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hopeful that during the course of this campaign the Marx
campaign will step up address these issues had on and
put out the information that allows me and hopefully every
other voter to conclude.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
This in his favor.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But right now, in my opinion, they have not done that.
So how are you approaching this and this separate issue
of what kind of campaign should he run?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
What do you think he will do?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Because I see a scenario where he's out there with
kind of a traditional campaign statewide, just trying to get
as much support as he can. But I wouldn't be
at all surprised if we saw a scenario very similar
to the primary, where he just doesn't venture out much
and stays very close to home home, meaning his very
loyal base, which was enough to deliver the primary.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Forum here on the Dan Kepler Show.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
And now back to the Dan Kapler Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
The Bigger donor networks, they have all committed to spending
no money in this race. If I'm in it, they
would rather see Susan Collins win than have me be
the next letter from men.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh, I think he has a pack. Kertz.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I think that they have no morals, They have no morals.
That people were backing you to begin with, and they
would be continuing to back you if your poll numbers
were good enough. What a revealing moment for the Democratic Party.
What's it going to take over time? I think for
women to come to appreciate just how anti woman the
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modern Democratic Party has become.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Three oh three seven.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
One three eight two five five d an five seven
seven three nine. If this is so cool, so exciting,
so interesting talking about this Colorado governor's race now, because
we've never seen anything like this before, right, and so
what are you going to do in this race?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
We've had many, many more calls and texts, and I
would have thought on the Greg Lopez factor. Greg got
running as an independent. Looks like he's made the ballot.
Let's go up to beautiful Fort Collins. Tyler, you're on
the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Welcome, Hello sir, Happy Friday, Thank you too? Can hear me?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I can hear you now? Trademark Jack?
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Yes, Hey, So let's put on our hindsight spectacles for
a second year. And I've been sitting on something that
I thought was a little bit of an unusual move
when he announced it, and that is Greg Lopez. Everybody
keeps bringing up to Victor Marx Manchurian candidate angle, and
I would propose that Greg Lopez is more of a
(12:27):
Democrat than you actually think he is.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Why do you think?
Speaker 7 (12:32):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Why?
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well?
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Because you think about how tight the display came between
Marx and Kirkmeyer. What is the only play that either
of those two candidates could be absolutely destroyed like the
previous color if you back had mentioned, it's by Greg
Lopez taking the Hispanic votes because he can clearly do
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and pull just a percentage away from the Republicans, and
that would be all the people think that shit.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know, it's interesting, Tyler and Zach.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Let's get Greg back on again now that he's made
the ballot and have that conversation, because you know, I
really like Greg i Hedeman's studio bunch. I can see
why so many people voted for him in twenty two
and twenty two. He got a lot more votes than
the winner got here in twenty six. But if this
was a race right now, Tyler, as you say, if
this was a race, where where it was really expected
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to be a very close dog fight between the GOP
candidate and the Democrat. I'd be furious with my friend
Greg for being in this race. I don't get it.
I've never understood it. And we'll have that conversation with
him again, because you're right, if this was going to
be a very very close race and nobody's expecting it
to be. I'm not trying to be negative, but we're
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first and foremost committed to the truth on this show.
Do you think there's one person in the state right
now who truly expects this to be a close governor's race.
Doesn't mean it can't be, but is anybody expecting that?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
No? I don't think there is. But the movements, you know,
the shadow games are very real, and this you know,
ball parks, you're well aware. And for somebody, imagine if
Greg lope as it stayed on the Republican ticket and
we would have had four to shooes from on that
debate stage, how do you think that split would have gone?
Looking back?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
What a great question. I still think Victor Marks wins.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And here's why, my friend, because Victor came into this
race with this really devoted core group of supporters, and
so the more candidates you got in against him, I
think the more he wins by because he's going to
hold on to his big core group. I think the
other dynamic, and give me your take, Tyler, I think
(14:43):
the other dynamic here, and the one that shaped the
race ultimately is Barb. I think I think Barb's campaign
started way, way, way too late, and she's highly qualified, respected.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I understand there are plenty of good people.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
They just don't want anybody establishment, anybody currently in all office.
I understand that that powerful sentiment. But I think if
Barb runs a traditional campaign where she starts full throttle
much much earlier, then I think it's a different outcome.
But she was so and I appreciate her devotion to
her JBC work, but the campaign didn't start in full
(15:19):
gear as I could see it, at least until after
the legislative session ended. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Sure, but who do you think greg polls are Greg
Gregor remained in the race. Who do you think she
removes votes from Victor or Barb?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Oh? In that race? That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
In the primary, I would say it sounds like you're
going to say Victor.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I would think.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I would think Barber equally, but I would say not
Victor for this reason, Tyler. I think what we saw
play out is that the depth of commitment to Victor
among his supporters was stronger than any other candidate in
the race.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Yeah, I agree, and I agree with what you am
pulling votes from Barb So this whole picture looks looks
a little bit sniffy. Yeah, I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, and you're suspecting Democrats playing in the GOP primary because, honestly,
I think they retrospect to scope. I think the Democrats
look at this race and they are so certain they're
going to win, they concluded it wasn't worth their time
to and money to mess in the GOP primary.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Oh I disagree. I think these guys have a system
down where they don't leave any loose ends on tied.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Yeah, I think that. I think that the Lopez move,
I mean, there's no way that Lopez can win a
governorship and on votes, not even a fraction of Sure do.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
The Good Lord want to do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Sure of the Good Lord coming down and running as
an independent. No independent is going to win the Colorado
governors race.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Yeah, that's what That's very interesting yeah, looking back on this,
so hey, man, appreciate the call.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Thank you for that. Appreciate that call. We will get
Craig back on again. He's just one of those people
I've always enjoyed in politics. I mean, if you listen
to the show, you know me and I just like
people with a very few but some exceptions. But Greg's
just one of those guys I've always really enjoyed. I
do not understand I did not understand him getting into
this race as and independent because I think it can.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Only hurt the GOP candidate.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Now in this unusual situation where there's so much controversy
surrounding Victor, which I hope he's able to successfully clear up.
But if not, I think Greig's going to get a
lot more votes as an independent than you'd normally see
because I think you're going to see a lot of
people who.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Normally vote for our nominee vote for Greg.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And again, I am hoping that Victor will step forward,
address this controversy head on, be able to provide facts
that will allow people to get a better comfort level
and coalesce around our nominee, because that would be the
ideal scenario for this state. Two or three someone three
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HQO five to five text us dam five seven seven
three nine.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You're on the Dan Kapitlis Show.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Like what you would do as a regular person in
a position where a much larger world, large forces were
working against you personally to accuse you of the worst
thing that a person could do, and it was not remote.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Explain to me, then if these allegations are false, why
get out of the race, Because I've got to tell you,
I think one hundred out of one hundred men listening
to this show right now would say somebody falsely accused
me of that.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying and I'm fighting.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
He argued in his draw out video.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It's because the party won't financially support him anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Doing this gives a lot of credence to the accusations.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I wouldn't do that with my name.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
No, And you know, I think back to there was
a young kid, first kid, a Latino kid, first kid
in his entire generations of his family that had grown
up in Colorado. He was the first to go to
college and he was a freshman at CU Boulder.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I was a young lawyer in Boulder, and.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I wasn't really doing a criminal law practice. I'd take
the occasional case here just to pay the bills, but
I wasn't a criminal defense lawyer. I did the kind
of law and doing now you know that, the injury work.
And so he walks into my office one day. I
have no idea how he got there or why. And
he had been arrested at gunpoint and charged with rape.
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He'd been taken out of his dorm Williams Village on
the CU campus, gunpoint by a large group of officers,
charged with raping the daughter of a very very prominent
Indonesian leader. And I said, you need a real criminal
defense lawyer, and I am not that, and he said,
(20:17):
I want you. So I really liked the kid and
I believed him, and I took the case on. But
there's a kid falsely accused of rape, and he's going
to stand and fight and the DA at the time,
you know Alex Hunter. Alex Hunter I always found to
be none of us are perfect, but I always found
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him to be a good, reasonable, honest, logical kind of guy.
And Alex just said, wait a second, this is a
very very very serious case.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And we have her word, and they weren't going to
just dismiss this case.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
But that kid, rather than consider any kind of deal,
that kid was willing to risk decades and decades and
decades in prison because he knew he was innocent.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Doesn't want that tied to his name the rest of
his life.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Right, But it was just the principle.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
He knew he had not done this, he knew it
was consensual, and he was willing to go to jail
for essentially the rest of his adult life if convicted.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And he was so determined.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I know this is going to sound preposterous to anybody listening.
He was so determined to prove his innocence. He ordered
me to offer the DA a polygraph because the DA said, hey,
well the kid take a polygraph. Again, I was not
a criminal defense lawyer, and I told the kid that.
But when I had to convey the DA's offer, and
(21:50):
nobody in the right mind is going to take a
poly I think in that situation, because the polygraphs are
so unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
This will in court art right, and it missed right.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
But the DA and the DA wasn't trying to trap him.
The DA was trying to get to the truth and
do the right thing, but he had this daughter of
a very prominent, you know, Indonesian leader saying this was
this was a sex assault, this was a rape and uh.
And the kids said, no, I'm going to do that polygraph.
I said, what, and explain why people don't do that.
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He said, I'm going to do that polygraph and he
passed it with flying collars. And then we went out
and you know, I was no criminal defense lawyer, but
you know I have a half decent brain, and went
out and we did a bunch of investigation and we
found some good witnesses and some good evidence and presented
that all to the DA, and Alex Hunter, a honorable
(22:43):
man of his word, he dismissed the charges, which was
not an easy thing for him to do because there
was a lot of political Oh my, oh, my lord.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I heard the story.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I didn't see it with my own eyes, but I
heard the story of this large motorcade, you know, coming
into Boulder with flags waving and everything else.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
And wow, the father of.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
This a very prominent you know, father of this girl
coming to Boulder to have that talk with Alex Hunter,
and he did not waiver, and we ended up we
ended up filing a civil lawsuit as well because it
was so wrong. What happened was so wrong. Filed a
civil lawsuit, we took some depositions, got a judgment, and
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you know it ended up now that we're talking about
this in the context of Graham Platner and how if
he was really innocent, I think he would stay in
that race and defend his honor.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
But it ended up on a lot of national news
coverage of that, now.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
That I'm thinking about it, I ended up on Larry
King Live on that in that case, it became it
became a national story. Yeah, so I'm just saying, you're
talking about a little kid there, college freshman, first from
his family to ever go to college, arrest, did a gunpoint,
who said, no, I'm going to stand and fight for
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my reputation. I think if Graham Platner was innocent, he'd
be standing and fighting for his reputation. Oh three or
three seven, went three eight two five five d an
five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Hey, obviously all the conversation.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't know if it's been that way kind of
at your water cooler and everything else, but now that
Victim Marks is the nominee, so much conversation, at least
among Republicans about.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You know, what they're going to do there.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think the other interesting conversation, Zach is and I'd
love to know from you and from others.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Because you're how old I'm twenty six.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, see, you're right in touch. You're right in touch
with that whole demo. But I hear a lot of buzz.
I hear a lot of buzz from you know, because
we have a lot of young people working in our office.
We have a lot of you know, my kids friends,
our kids friends and all that. I hear a lot
of buzz from kids who normally aren't dialing into politics.
(25:00):
They are aware of Victor Marx because it's now on
late night TV and there's a lot on X, and
there's a lot in pop culture, you know, with excerpts
of those interviews and how many people get killed and
all that.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
They are aware of him.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And I just wonder if that's going to be a
factor in this race. Are you going to have and
I'm not referring to our kids in any way shape performed,
but are you going to have Are you gonna have
just a lot of kids who normally don't get involved
in politics are now seeing this stuff through through this
other coverage, who then go out and vote for him.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I don't know. I'm just wondering.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's going to be a real test of any publicity's
good publicity, I think, because it's getting in front of them.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I'd argue not for good reasons.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Right, And I believe me, I understand that argument.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But that's the reason that a lot of these kids
who do not follow politics of seeing it it shows
up on their feeds as the candidates. The candidate won't
tell you how many people he killed, I mean something,
see that, and it's at least worth mentioning that you
might have a whole bunch of them end up voting
(26:18):
for him just because hey, they saw it on their
feed and it's different, and and so many people just
want to poke the eye of the system. Yeah, it's
going to be a lot interesting dynamics in this in
this race, Hey, we'll come back, We'll go straight to
the phone lines, get to our great callers and texters.
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As everybody is starting to process and digest and look forward.
Is very unique moment in Colorado political history. You're on
The Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
And now back to The Dan Kapli Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
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Speaker 9 (27:02):
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you free healthcare, We're gonna provide you free education.
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But the problem is that when they can't.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Deliver on it, or when you're not happy with it,
you don't.
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Get your freedoms back. My freedoms, I don't just mean elections.
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I'm talking about the right to choose your own doctor,
the right to make health care decisions for yourself, what
your kids learn in school, what schools they go to,
all that stuff you lose control over and you don't get.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It back just because. Yeah, Marco Rubio, boy, it sure.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Seems to me as if his star is rising, and
the President seems to be going out of his way
to make sure it's a level playing field between Marco
and JD heading into twenty eight I and I'll never know.
I haven't even met him. I really wish I'd hit
the chance, but I would guess at this point that
(27:48):
President Trump is so determined to make sure a Republican
gets elected in twenty eight that in the end, his
decision is to who to push to the very front,
and I think that'll be made behind the scenes and
people will fall in line behind it, whether.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
His choice is Mark or j D.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I think it's going to be driven by who has
the best chance to win, because think about it, if
you're in the president's shoes, it is very, very important
to you for lots of different reasons that a Republican
win that White House in twenty eight. So I think
he's just going to go with whoever he thinks then
is the best chance to win. Let's go to beautiful
Colorado Springs. Talk to MJ.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You're on the Dan Kapla Show. Welcome, Hi, Dan, listen.
Speaker 10 (28:35):
I am a little bit upset about Victor Marx winning.
I really think he's a fraud and I have been
following him online mostly you know, people that really like
him and support him, but I think they don't understand
the dynamics of a lot of things. The fact that
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Barb Kirkmeier has so much more awareness of what to
do in the legislature and as a governor because she's
been there. She saved us lots of money. People have
been telling lies about her.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And Jamie interrupt for a second, only because obviously the
voters have spoken.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
But let me ask you this, do you think there's
a broader.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Force at work than say, just barbed individually, because there
appears to be a clear dynamic where people prefer an outsider,
no matter how well somebody has served in office, people
prefer an outsider, right.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
I understand it because I used to support Dan Mays
back and then, and then we found out what a
fraud he was. So it's some I think they like.
And I am a very strong Christian, but I think
these people like to wear that honor sleeve because he talks.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
As he does.
Speaker 10 (29:55):
They listen to that, they believe it, and so I.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
See through it.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
I think I've been around a lot longer than most
of them, and some of them are my friends even,
and they're good people. Yeah, But they are the same
people that also supported Dave Williams, and we know how
that was. That was a disaster. All I'm saying is
I think there was not enough money to support Barb.
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I have no idea what people here in Colorado that
have the means to support a Republican and they are
supposedly Republicans.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
May ask you this is well, I'm jay in a
startin interrupt, but we're coming on the end of the show,
and okay, and with Barb, who I think would have
made an excellent governor and an excellent candidate. I think
her campaign started way too late, started in full, way
too late, because I mean, she's doing great work on
the Joint Budget Committee, but I think that that campaign
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needed to start in full many months earlier.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
And also listen to who was in charge of the GOP. Also,
that was a disaster, so you and know people, there's
a lot of reasons why I didn't get started as
it that money and the GOP being well.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And that goes to a text and thank you for
your call, um, Jay, and I hope you call here
off And a text says, Dan, you say you really
want to support Victor, and that's true. I really want
to be able to support Victor. I need more information
on two things. One is abortion. I have no doubt
that he has the right position, but I need to
hear it and hear it clearly and some specifics. And
number two, I need more information from him to satisfy
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these important questions that have been raised about him. But
I'm hoping to get both. I hope to be able
to support him. But the point of this text is
you say you really want to support Marks too bad.
You never felt that way about Barer, But what are
you talking about. I just don't endorse in primaries for
the reasons I explained, hosting the show and everything else.
Want to be able to have everybody on and get
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all that to the folks.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
But I voted for Barb.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I mean that's what I could do, and I did,
And so yeah, hey, I wish she had been the numbinee.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I wish she had been our governor. I think she
would have been a great governor.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But I think that campaign started way too late, way
too late.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And I think the Marx campaign.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Did some brilliant things to be able to solidify their
core support, and it was just enough to get them there.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
There's been a funny trend where it feels like all
the Barb supporters are mad at you for supporting Marx
so much and being such a pro Marx guy, and
then all the Marx supporters are mad at you for
not supporting Marx and you know, not embracing them, And
it's I think when you've got both sides mad at you,
it's typically a pretty good indicator.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
You're in the middle.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, and again it comes back to write in a primary,
and I understand those who would disagree with this approach,
but I think it's the only sensible one in a primary.
As the host of a radio show like this, I'm
going to be neutral. I want to get all the
candidates on, ask them the questions, get that information out
to people.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And yeah, that's just the approach.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I take one exception many years ago, but yeah, that's
the approach I take. But I did vote for Barb
I think for very good reasons. I just try to
be very balanced and fair with all the candidates during
the primary and then in the general.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I think it is the obligation of our nominee to
go out there and answer the fair questions that are
out there about him. And it's the obligation of our
nominee to do everything here she can possibly do to
unite the party. And we'll see if Victor does that.
I sure hope he does, and we will find out together.
Texter says Dan, where are the Victor Marx callers? I
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think that's what would you say, Zach. I haven't been
keeping score, but since that news broke yesterday afternoon. What
do you think the percentage is pro and con on
Victor not too far.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Off fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I feel like sixty in favor of or sixty percent,
maybe a post forty percent in favor of I would
say it doesn't seem to me to be too strongly slanted.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
In either direction.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Like for all the people talking about you know, Greg
Lopez been that's a great example. We just had a
call talking about Greg Lopez being the real spoiler for
Victor Marx, and right before that it was a guy
saying Victor Marx.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Is the spoiler in the election. So I think we're
getting a pretty even sampling.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, And that's the challenge for us, right because for
a GOP candidate to have any chance, for a GOP
candidate to be able to run a credibly strong race,
you've got to have a united GOP. So the fact
that we've got calls, text, et cetera running fifty to
fifty or so, that's not where we need to be.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And I'm really hoping.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That Victor steps up and addresses these concerns and has
the facts to be able to successfully address the concerns
and unite the GOP at least a whole lot more
than it's united right now.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So hey you hope everybody has a great safe weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Zach, tremendous, John, thank you for everything and guard management.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
William will catch you Monday on The Dan Kapla Show.
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scattered rain throughout the state right now, including some of
our mountain listeners. But boy, we just need like one
of those all day gully washers talking about, of course
topic gay. The Colorado Governor's race, subject of a lot
of national attention, as you would have expected at this point,
get given you know, the uniqueness, the uniqueness of our nominee.
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And this is before we get back into some of
these questions we've been rolling with on Victor winning that race.
I do want to mention one thing I hope we
can all agree on, and that is or I expect
that we probably should be able.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
To, and that is lessons to be learned from this.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
And I think there's a very powerful message and it's
an understandable one. No knock on people who serve very
well in public office.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
But there is a very.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Powerful now preference I think among GOP voters for outsiders,
for people who come in with accomplishments outside of politics,
as opposed to people who've been in office, even those
who've done a really good job, like I think Barb
Kirkmeyer has done a really good job in her various offices.
But there's this powerful, powerful preference for successful outsiders. I
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get it, and I get the controversy surrounding victor whether
that that success is real or whether it's fraudulent. Those
are kind of the dividing lines in that argument. You know,
I haven't reached my own conclusion yet. I hope to
get a lot more information during this campaign. My bigger point, though,
is just powerful preference in GOP primaries, and it's going
to be interesting to see how that shapes future primaries.
(01:53):
I do at some point in the show. We'll do
more this Monday. I know it's heavy for a Friday,
but it's also a very timely talk about this, this
horrific story of Iran now escalating its attempts to attack America, because,
make no mistake about it, even talking about assassinating an
American president is a direct assault and a direct attack
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on this nation, no different than if Iran landed the
Republican Guard, you know, on the shores of California or Florida.
It is that direct an attack on America. So Iran
now openly openly encouraging and talking about attacking America and
just want to, you know, bring you up to speed
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on that news, et cetera, and pray to god it
doesn't happen. Let's go back to the phone lines, Zach,
I want my screen, Fritz to do we have on one.
I'll get some text while deck clears up. We maybe
it's the Friday afternoon. Maybe it's a little bit of
lightning out there. Dan says texture election is selections, no marks,
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but Lopez no compromise and morals jump in the water
is warm? Hey, I like Greg. I like Greg, and
if enjoyed having him on the show over the years,
I think you'd be an excellent governor. I just have
a very very strong preference for voting for the GOP
nominee wherever possible, because if we don't have that party
cohesion wherever possible, there are some limits, right, but if
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we don't have that party cohesion, we have no chance,
So wherever possible, I want to do my little part
to try to support that party cohesion, and I do
hope that becomes possible here. Oh thank you, Zach. Yeah,
you know what we should do. Maybe I have a
little bake sale or something to get some new screens
in here. It's really a fascinating thing. I'm trying to
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think of a good metaphor. We are so blessed to
work in truly one of the most beautiful radio studios
in America, and I've had the privilege of working out
of many around the country. Like when I'll be off
doing a case and I'll be doing the show, I
pop into a studio. But this is a gorgeous, gorgeous studio.
But we've got like fifty cent computers.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
It's it's remarkable how we need a bake sale. Heard
rumor of a new phone though, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
About that'd be good for a talk show. Robert and Parker,
you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Welcome.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Hey, I just wanted to remind you that Heide Gano,
who ran for governor as a Republican for the last
time and was a strong supporter of Victor Marx she's
telling that the brave Church. But when she went to
his compound in color as friends, she changed her mind
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decisively and she can no longer play back. And I
think it would be great because you could get her own,
because she can give you all the reasons why she
cannot support him anymore. Of the reasons is she said
that his daughter indicated for a number of months before
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he started running for governor that he had abused her
and her brother for a long time, and then when
he started running for governor, she changed her tomb and
started to support him and deny that she had ever
said that. A sort of like Sparkling Syndra, And if
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you ask me, this may be kind of like a
grand Plant Earth and Maine where the woman who race
came out just recently said she still supports him even
though she accused him of sexual abuse and rape.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Forever think you make such an important point.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I appreciate it regarding Heidi Ganal, who I have all
the respect in the world for. By the way, Heidi
and winning the GOP primary in twenty two got three
hundred and forty one thousand votes. Victor got two six
and changed here the points simply being not many unaffiliateds
voted in the GOP prime. I'm Mary this time around,
they all flocked over to that DEM race Greg. In
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twenty twenty two, Greg Lopez got two hundred and ninety
two thousand. So I'm with Chris an earlier caller. Greg
Lopez is going to get a significant number of votes
as an independent. He's well known and he's he's popular.
But yeah, Heidi's thoughts on this way very very very
heavily on me, and listen, I don't mean to be
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pretending as if what I conclude matters. It's just that
I have a show, he's the nominee. It's a very
odd situation, and so I'm just talking about how I'm
trying to approach figuring out whether I can support him,
which I really really want to do, and hopefully the
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information will emerge in this cycle that will allow me
to do it. But that's just where I'm at now,
and I'm sure Heidi will be back on again. My
guess is that that Heidi now that the primary is over, right,
I don't think anybody relishes, any member of the Republican
Party relishes saying anything negative about Victor Marx. Now we're
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in the general election, and now you know, we know
the wickedness of Democrat policies, but I think each individual,
I think there are a lot of people around the
state just going through their own approach to figuring this out,
and for a vast majority of us, I think it's
an approach grounded in morality. And for me, it comes
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back to an archbishop shep h You says God will
judge us on how we vote. So I just want
to think it through that way again, not that it's
going to matter to you or anybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I'm not presumptuous, but just trying to figure it out
for myself.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Ah more Texters on this, Dan, you have so much
hate for Democrats that you will jump to an ambiguous
candidate like Marx.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Friends, who did he kick?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Question to Mark to see how Barb Kirkmeyer ended her
statement that she released after the race ended. The last
line was, and I still haven't killed anybody. But wait
a second, A text her. I have not jumped to
supporting Victor Marx. I want to and I hope by
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the end he comes forward with information that gives clarity
and tips the scales on these allegations in his favor.
But yeah, Dan tell us how Marx is so moral?
What a great question. I mean, Zach, do you agree
with this analysis that? And it's rare for something to
be this polarized. Some things in life are right, but
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it's this polarized. I mean, Victor Marx is one of
either one of the most moral, admirable people to ever
participate in Colorado politics, or he's a fraud.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's one a. I don't see where little ground would
come in.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
It's I can't imagine what that tyro would be. Maybe
the numbers are inflated or some of it's falsified, Like
maybe that could be.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Happy half pregnant, right right, Yeah, that's the thing. It's
bad if you were the Democrats, whould want to kill
that one half. Not the Democrats, that the leaders in
the Democratic Party. But no, you can't be I mean,
if he is what what he's been portrayed to be,
this man willing to put himself often in this high
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level of physical danger to go rescue trafficked women and children,
it's hard to be more admirable than that. If, as
his accuser say, he's lied about that, either completely or mostly,
it's hard to imagine much worse than that, right, Am
I missing something in the analysis. So I'm very, very
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hopeful that during the course of this campaign the Marx
campaign will step up address these issues had on and
put out the information that allows me and hopefully every
other voter to conclude.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
This in his favor.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But right now, in my opinion, they have not done that.
So how are you approaching this and this separate issue
of what kind of campaign should he run?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
What do you think he will do?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Because I see a scenario where he's out there with
kind of a traditional campaign statewide, just trying to get
as much support as he can. But I wouldn't be
at all surprised if we saw a scenario very similar
to the primary, where he just doesn't venture out much
and stays very close to home home, meaning his very
loyal base, which was enough to deliver the primary.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Forum here on the Dan Kepler Show.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
And now back to the Dan Kapler Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
The Bigger donor networks, they have all committed to spending
no money in this race. If I'm in it, they
would rather see Susan Collins win than have me be
the next letter from men.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh, I think he has a pack. Kertz.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I think that they have no morals, They have no morals.
That people were backing you to begin with, and they
would be continuing to back you if your poll numbers
were good enough. What a revealing moment for the Democratic Party.
What's it going to take over time? I think for
women to come to appreciate just how anti woman the
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modern Democratic Party has become.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Three oh three seven.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
One three eight two five five d an five seven
seven three nine. If this is so cool, so exciting,
so interesting talking about this Colorado governor's race now, because
we've never seen anything like this before, right, and so
what are you going to do in this race?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
We've had many, many more calls and texts, and I
would have thought on the Greg Lopez factor. Greg got
running as an independent. Looks like he's made the ballot.
Let's go up to beautiful Fort Collins. Tyler, you're on
the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Welcome, Hello sir, Happy Friday, Thank you too? Can hear me?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I can hear you now? Trademark Jack?
Speaker 7 (12:05):
Yes, Hey, So let's put on our hindsight spectacles for
a second year. And I've been sitting on something that
I thought was a little bit of an unusual move
when he announced it, and that is Greg Lopez. Everybody
keeps bringing up to Victor Marx Manchurian candidate angle, and
I would propose that Greg Lopez is more of a
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Democrat than you actually think he is.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Why do you think?
Speaker 7 (12:32):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Why?
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Sir?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Well?
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Because you think about how tight the display came between
Marx and Kirkmeyer. What is the only play that either
of those two candidates could be absolutely destroyed like the
previous color if you back had mentioned, it's by Greg
Lopez taking the Hispanic votes because he can clearly do
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and pull just a percentage away from the Republicans, and
that would be all the people think that shit.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know, it's interesting, Tyler and Zach.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Let's get Greg back on again now that he's made
the ballot and have that conversation, because you know, I
really like Greg i Hedeman's studio bunch. I can see
why so many people voted for him in twenty two
and twenty two. He got a lot more votes than
the winner got here in twenty six. But if this
was a race right now, Tyler, as you say, if
this was a race, where where it was really expected
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to be a very close dog fight between the GOP
candidate and the Democrat. I'd be furious with my friend
Greg for being in this race. I don't get it.
I've never understood it. And we'll have that conversation with
him again, because you're right, if this was going to
be a very very close race and nobody's expecting it
to be. I'm not trying to be negative, but we're
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first and foremost committed to the truth on this show.
Do you think there's one person in the state right
now who truly expects this to be a close governor's race.
Doesn't mean it can't be, but is anybody expecting that?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
No? I don't think there is. But the movements, you know,
the shadow games are very real, and this you know,
ball parks, you're well aware. And for somebody, imagine if
Greg lope as it stayed on the Republican ticket and
we would have had four to shooes from on that
debate stage, how do you think that split would have gone?
Looking back?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
What a great question. I still think Victor Marks wins.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And here's why, my friend, because Victor came into this
race with this really devoted core group of supporters, and
so the more candidates you got in against him, I
think the more he wins by because he's going to
hold on to his big core group. I think the
other dynamic, and give me your take, Tyler, I think
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the other dynamic here, and the one that shaped the
race ultimately is Barb. I think I think Barb's campaign
started way, way, way too late, and she's highly qualified, respected.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I understand there are plenty of good people.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
They just don't want anybody establishment, anybody currently in all office.
I understand that that powerful sentiment. But I think if
Barb runs a traditional campaign where she starts full throttle
much much earlier, then I think it's a different outcome.
But she was so and I appreciate her devotion to
her JBC work, but the campaign didn't start in full
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gear as I could see it, at least until after
the legislative session ended. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:25):
Sure, but who do you think greg polls are Greg
Gregor remained in the race. Who do you think she
removes votes from Victor or Barb?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Oh? In that race? That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
In the primary, I would say it sounds like you're
going to say Victor.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I would think.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I would think Barber equally, but I would say not
Victor for this reason, Tyler. I think what we saw
play out is that the depth of commitment to Victor
among his supporters was stronger than any other candidate in
the race.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Yeah, I agree, and I agree with what you am
pulling votes from Barb So this whole picture looks looks
a little bit sniffy. Yeah, I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, and you're suspecting Democrats playing in the GOP primary because, honestly,
I think they retrospect to scope. I think the Democrats
look at this race and they are so certain they're
going to win, they concluded it wasn't worth their time
to and money to mess in the GOP primary.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Oh I disagree. I think these guys have a system
down where they don't leave any loose ends on tied.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Yeah, I think that. I think that the Lopez move,
I mean, there's no way that Lopez can win a
governorship and on votes, not even a fraction of Sure do.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
The Good Lord want to do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Sure of the Good Lord coming down and running as
an independent. No independent is going to win the Colorado
governors race.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
Yeah, that's what That's very interesting yeah, looking back on this,
so hey, man, appreciate the call.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Thank you for that. Appreciate that call. We will get
Craig back on again. He's just one of those people
I've always enjoyed in politics. I mean, if you listen
to the show, you know me and I just like
people with a very few but some exceptions. But Greg's
just one of those guys I've always really enjoyed. I
do not understand I did not understand him getting into
this race as and independent because I think it can.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Only hurt the GOP candidate.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Now in this unusual situation where there's so much controversy
surrounding Victor, which I hope he's able to successfully clear up.
But if not, I think Greig's going to get a
lot more votes as an independent than you'd normally see
because I think you're going to see a lot of
people who.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Normally vote for our nominee vote for Greg.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And again, I am hoping that Victor will step forward,
address this controversy head on, be able to provide facts
that will allow people to get a better comfort level
and coalesce around our nominee, because that would be the
ideal scenario for this state. Two or three someone three
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HQO five to five text us dam five seven seven
three nine.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You're on the Dan Kapitlis Show.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Like what you would do as a regular person in
a position where a much larger world, large forces were
working against you personally to accuse you of the worst
thing that a person could do, and it was not remote.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Explain to me, then if these allegations are false, why
get out of the race, Because I've got to tell you,
I think one hundred out of one hundred men listening
to this show right now would say somebody falsely accused
me of that.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying and I'm fighting.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
He argued in his draw out video.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
It's because the party won't financially support him anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Doing this gives a lot of credence to the accusations.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I wouldn't do that with my name.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
No, And you know, I think back to there was
a young kid, first kid, a Latino kid, first kid
in his entire generations of his family that had grown
up in Colorado. He was the first to go to
college and he was a freshman at CU Boulder.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I was a young lawyer in Boulder, and.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I wasn't really doing a criminal law practice. I'd take
the occasional case here just to pay the bills, but
I wasn't a criminal defense lawyer. I did the kind
of law and doing now you know that, the injury work.
And so he walks into my office one day. I
have no idea how he got there or why. And
he had been arrested at gunpoint and charged with rape.
(19:55):
He'd been taken out of his dorm Williams Village on
the CU campus, gunpoint by a large group of officers,
charged with raping the daughter of a very very prominent
Indonesian leader. And I said, you need a real criminal
defense lawyer, and I am not that, and he said,
(20:17):
I want you. So I really liked the kid and
I believed him, and I took the case on. But
there's a kid falsely accused of rape, and he's going
to stand and fight and the DA at the time,
you know Alex Hunter. Alex Hunter I always found to
be none of us are perfect, but I always found
(20:38):
him to be a good, reasonable, honest, logical kind of guy.
And Alex just said, wait a second, this is a
very very very serious case.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And we have her word, and they weren't going to
just dismiss this case.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
But that kid, rather than consider any kind of deal,
that kid was willing to risk decades and decades and
decades in prison because he knew he was innocent.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Doesn't want that tied to his name the rest of
his life.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Right, But it was just the principle.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
He knew he had not done this, he knew it
was consensual, and he was willing to go to jail
for essentially the rest of his adult life if convicted.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And he was so determined.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I know this is going to sound preposterous to anybody listening.
He was so determined to prove his innocence. He ordered
me to offer the DA a polygraph because the DA said, hey,
well the kid take a polygraph. Again, I was not
a criminal defense lawyer, and I told the kid that.
But when I had to convey the DA's offer, and
(21:50):
nobody in the right mind is going to take a
poly I think in that situation, because the polygraphs are
so unpredictable.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
This will in court art right, and it missed right.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
But the DA and the DA wasn't trying to trap him.
The DA was trying to get to the truth and
do the right thing, but he had this daughter of
a very prominent, you know, Indonesian leader saying this was
this was a sex assault, this was a rape and uh.
And the kids said, no, I'm going to do that polygraph.
I said, what, and explain why people don't do that.
(22:22):
He said, I'm going to do that polygraph and he
passed it with flying collars. And then we went out
and you know, I was no criminal defense lawyer, but
you know I have a half decent brain, and went
out and we did a bunch of investigation and we
found some good witnesses and some good evidence and presented
that all to the DA, and Alex Hunter, a honorable
(22:43):
man of his word, he dismissed the charges, which was
not an easy thing for him to do because there
was a lot of political Oh my, oh, my lord.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I heard the story.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I didn't see it with my own eyes, but I
heard the story of this large motorcade, you know, coming
into Boulder with flags waving and everything else.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
And wow, the father of.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
This a very prominent you know, father of this girl
coming to Boulder to have that talk with Alex Hunter,
and he did not waiver, and we ended up we
ended up filing a civil lawsuit as well because it
was so wrong. What happened was so wrong. Filed a
civil lawsuit, we took some depositions, got a judgment, and
(23:26):
you know it ended up now that we're talking about
this in the context of Graham Platner and how if
he was really innocent, I think he would stay in
that race and defend his honor.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
But it ended up on a lot of national news
coverage of that, now.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
That I'm thinking about it, I ended up on Larry
King Live on that in that case, it became it
became a national story. Yeah, so I'm just saying, you're
talking about a little kid there, college freshman, first from
his family to ever go to college, arrest, did a gunpoint,
who said, no, I'm going to stand and fight for
(24:03):
my reputation. I think if Graham Platner was innocent, he'd
be standing and fighting for his reputation. Oh three or
three seven, went three eight two five five d an
five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Hey, obviously all the conversation.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't know if it's been that way kind of
at your water cooler and everything else, but now that
Victim Marks is the nominee, so much conversation, at least
among Republicans about.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You know, what they're going to do there.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think the other interesting conversation, Zach is and I'd
love to know from you and from others.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Because you're how old I'm twenty six.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, see, you're right in touch. You're right in touch
with that whole demo. But I hear a lot of buzz.
I hear a lot of buzz from you know, because
we have a lot of young people working in our office.
We have a lot of you know, my kids friends,
our kids friends and all that. I hear a lot
of buzz from kids who normally aren't dialing into politics.
(25:00):
They are aware of Victor Marx because it's now on
late night TV and there's a lot on X, and
there's a lot in pop culture, you know, with excerpts
of those interviews and how many people get killed and
all that.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
They are aware of him.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And I just wonder if that's going to be a
factor in this race. Are you going to have and
I'm not referring to our kids in any way shape performed,
but are you going to have Are you gonna have
just a lot of kids who normally don't get involved
in politics are now seeing this stuff through through this
other coverage, who then go out and vote for him.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I don't know. I'm just wondering.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's going to be a real test of any publicity's
good publicity, I think, because it's getting in front of them.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I'd argue not for good reasons.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Right, And I believe me, I understand that argument.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But that's the reason that a lot of these kids
who do not follow politics of seeing it it shows
up on their feeds as the candidates. The candidate won't
tell you how many people he killed, I mean something,
see that, and it's at least worth mentioning that you
might have a whole bunch of them end up voting
(26:18):
for him just because hey, they saw it on their
feed and it's different, and and so many people just
want to poke the eye of the system. Yeah, it's
going to be a lot interesting dynamics in this in
this race, Hey, we'll come back, We'll go straight to
the phone lines, get to our great callers and texters.
(26:38):
As everybody is starting to process and digest and look forward.
Is very unique moment in Colorado political history. You're on
The Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
And now back to The Dan Kapli Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
You can turn over more of your individual freedom.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
We're going to provide you security, We're going to provide
you free healthcare, We're gonna provide you free education.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But the problem is that when they can't.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
Deliver on it, or when you're not happy with it,
you don't.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Get your freedoms back. My freedoms, I don't just mean elections.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
I'm talking about the right to choose your own doctor,
the right to make health care decisions for yourself, what
your kids learn in school, what schools they go to,
all that stuff you lose control over and you don't get.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
It back just because. Yeah, Marco Rubio, boy, it sure.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Seems to me as if his star is rising, and
the President seems to be going out of his way
to make sure it's a level playing field between Marco
and JD heading into twenty eight I and I'll never know.
I haven't even met him. I really wish I'd hit
the chance, but I would guess at this point that
(27:48):
President Trump is so determined to make sure a Republican
gets elected in twenty eight that in the end, his
decision is to who to push to the very front,
and I think that'll be made behind the scenes and
people will fall in line behind it, whether.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
His choice is Mark or j D.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I think it's going to be driven by who has
the best chance to win, because think about it, if
you're in the president's shoes, it is very, very important
to you for lots of different reasons that a Republican
win that White House in twenty eight. So I think
he's just going to go with whoever he thinks then
is the best chance to win. Let's go to beautiful
Colorado Springs. Talk to MJ.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You're on the Dan Kapla Show. Welcome, Hi, Dan, listen.
Speaker 10 (28:35):
I am a little bit upset about Victor Marx winning.
I really think he's a fraud and I have been
following him online mostly you know, people that really like
him and support him, but I think they don't understand
the dynamics of a lot of things. The fact that
(28:55):
Barb Kirkmeier has so much more awareness of what to
do in the legislature and as a governor because she's
been there. She saved us lots of money. People have
been telling lies about her.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And Jamie interrupt for a second, only because obviously the
voters have spoken.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
But let me ask you this, do you think there's
a broader.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Force at work than say, just barbed individually, because there
appears to be a clear dynamic where people prefer an outsider,
no matter how well somebody has served in office, people
prefer an outsider, right.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
I understand it because I used to support Dan Mays
back and then, and then we found out what a
fraud he was. So it's some I think they like.
And I am a very strong Christian, but I think
these people like to wear that honor sleeve because he talks.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
As he does.
Speaker 10 (29:55):
They listen to that, they believe it, and so I.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
See through it.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
I think I've been around a lot longer than most
of them, and some of them are my friends even,
and they're good people. Yeah, But they are the same
people that also supported Dave Williams, and we know how
that was. That was a disaster. All I'm saying is
I think there was not enough money to support Barb.
(30:23):
I have no idea what people here in Colorado that
have the means to support a Republican and they are
supposedly Republicans.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
May ask you this is well, I'm jay in a
startin interrupt, but we're coming on the end of the show,
and okay, and with Barb, who I think would have
made an excellent governor and an excellent candidate. I think
her campaign started way too late, started in full, way
too late, because I mean, she's doing great work on
the Joint Budget Committee, but I think that that campaign
(30:54):
needed to start in full many months earlier.
Speaker 10 (30:58):
And also listen to who was in charge of the GOP. Also,
that was a disaster, so you and know people, there's
a lot of reasons why I didn't get started as
it that money and the GOP being well.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And that goes to a text and thank you for
your call, um, Jay, and I hope you call here
off And a text says, Dan, you say you really
want to support Victor, and that's true. I really want
to be able to support Victor. I need more information
on two things. One is abortion. I have no doubt
that he has the right position, but I need to
hear it and hear it clearly and some specifics. And
number two, I need more information from him to satisfy
(31:37):
these important questions that have been raised about him. But
I'm hoping to get both. I hope to be able
to support him. But the point of this text is
you say you really want to support Marks too bad.
You never felt that way about Barer, But what are
you talking about. I just don't endorse in primaries for
the reasons I explained, hosting the show and everything else.
Want to be able to have everybody on and get
(31:57):
all that to the folks.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
But I voted for Barb.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I mean that's what I could do, and I did,
And so yeah, hey, I wish she had been the numbinee.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I wish she had been our governor. I think she
would have been a great governor.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But I think that campaign started way too late, way
too late.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And I think the Marx campaign.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Did some brilliant things to be able to solidify their
core support, and it was just enough to get them there.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
There's been a funny trend where it feels like all
the Barb supporters are mad at you for supporting Marx
so much and being such a pro Marx guy, and
then all the Marx supporters are mad at you for
not supporting Marx and you know, not embracing them, And
it's I think when you've got both sides mad at you,
it's typically a pretty good indicator.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
You're in the middle.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, and again it comes back to write in a primary,
and I understand those who would disagree with this approach,
but I think it's the only sensible one in a primary.
As the host of a radio show like this, I'm
going to be neutral. I want to get all the
candidates on, ask them the questions, get that information out
to people.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And yeah, that's just the approach.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I take one exception many years ago, but yeah, that's
the approach I take. But I did vote for Barb
I think for very good reasons. I just try to
be very balanced and fair with all the candidates during
the primary and then in the general.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I think it is the obligation of our nominee to
go out there and answer the fair questions that are
out there about him. And it's the obligation of our
nominee to do everything here she can possibly do to
unite the party. And we'll see if Victor does that.
I sure hope he does, and we will find out together.
Texter says Dan, where are the Victor Marx callers? I
(33:44):
think that's what would you say, Zach. I haven't been
keeping score, but since that news broke yesterday afternoon. What
do you think the percentage is pro and con on
Victor not too far.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Off fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I feel like sixty in favor of or sixty percent,
maybe a post forty percent in favor of I would
say it doesn't seem to me to be too strongly slanted.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
In either direction.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Like for all the people talking about you know, Greg
Lopez been that's a great example. We just had a
call talking about Greg Lopez being the real spoiler for
Victor Marx, and right before that it was a guy
saying Victor Marx.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Is the spoiler in the election. So I think we're
getting a pretty even sampling.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, And that's the challenge for us, right because for
a GOP candidate to have any chance, for a GOP
candidate to be able to run a credibly strong race,
you've got to have a united GOP. So the fact
that we've got calls, text, et cetera running fifty to
fifty or so, that's not where we need to be.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And I'm really hoping.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That Victor steps up and addresses these concerns and has
the facts to be able to successfully address the concerns
and unite the GOP at least a whole lot more
than it's united right now.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
So hey you hope everybody has a great safe weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Zach, tremendous, John, thank you for everything and guard management.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
William will catch you Monday on The Dan Kapla Show.
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