HOUR TWO - 02-07

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Ladies and gentlemen in this corner from the University of Colorado,
thirty years in the rain, fighting for truth, justice and
the American way.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
The American radio is winning once again. So glad you
are here. A big news of the day, President Trump
just revoked Joe Biden's security clearance, which I think was
an absolutely necessary move. But we'll get more details, including
the President's tweet on that, and then we also are
going to have the privilege in a second. Really, one
of the best parts of this job, and there are

(00:43):
so many great parts over the years, has been getting
to talk to heroes in different forms around the state,
around the country, around the world. And one of those
joins us right now. Her name is Millie Freed, and
she's at the center of this very important story out
of Steamboat that's dominated our show for several days now,

(01:04):
where you had this this elk get caught in a
deep snowbank up to its neck and it was obviously
going to perish, and Milly tried very hard to save
the elks. She tried to get the state involved. The state,
in my view, very wrongly refused to help. Milly then
organized a rescue party, but by the time they got there,
it was too late. So Milly, welcome to the Dan

(01:27):
Kaplis Show. Appreciate you being here.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Thank you Dan, glad to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, And Milly, if you'd be kind enough to just
tell the story through your own eyes. You know, I
brought it up on the show a few days ago,
and I thought that we talk about it for a segment.
Our segments are about nine minutes. I thought it was
so important to bring it up because I thought that
you were heroic. The state was so wrong not to
intervene and help, and your neighbors were so great to

(01:54):
come from miles away to try to help. But by
then it was too late, and we've had so many
telling calls over the last three days on it. I'm
sure folks would love to hear the story from you.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, I'd love to tell it because unfortunately the paper
got some information wrong. Okay, So I'm glad you've given
me the opportunity to tell the story the way it
really played out. So what happened. I was coming back
one morning from town, and we live about twenty minutes
from Steamboat, so not far, and on my driveway up

(02:31):
to my home, I see this beautiful elk standing by
the fence, and I snapped the photo of it because
she looked beautiful. And as I passed her very slowly
because I didn't want to spooker, I still managed to
spook her and she turned around and ran back down
into this gully where there's this seasonal stream and these

(02:55):
aspen trees. And as she ran, I was watching her
in my rear view mirror, and I could see she
was running through this heavy snow that was deep. And
I looked and I thought, you know, elk live in
the forest, this is what they do. I'm sure she'll
be fine. I didn't really give it much thought. And
then later that afternoon, early afternoon, my husband went out

(03:18):
without dogs to give him a walk, and he told
me that the elk was still there, and she snapped
the photo of it, and we went out and we
had a look, and she was pretty much up to
her neck and you could see that she was trying.
You could see the path that she had made in
the snow trying to get out, but she just couldn't

(03:39):
get out. It was too deep and heavy and wet.
So at that point I called CPW and told him
what had happened, and sent them a photo of the elk,
the original photo and then the second photo showing that
she was stuck up to her neck in snow. They
called me back and said that, you know, they'd hate

(04:01):
to have to put a bullet in her, and that
we should just let nature take its course. And the
ranger seemed to think that she was somewhat thin. Well,
I'm not an expert in elk, so I don't know,
but she looked pretty healthy to me, but I guess
she was fin and I kind of just took his advice.

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And I really am upset with myself for doing that,
because later that afternoon, early evening, my husband went back
out to check on her and she was still there
and she wasn't getting out, And at that point I started,
I thought, forget it. I'm not waiting for this guy.
I'm not waiting for CPW. We're just going to get

(04:45):
the neighbors and we're going to dig a path out
for her, you know. So got on the phone and
started calling, and there were several neighbors that said they
wanted to come out that night and try to do
it in the dark, and because of the terrain being uneven,
we and we didn't have the lighting to make it

(05:07):
fully bright. I didn't think it was smart because I
didn't want anyone else to get hurt in the process.
So we decided to wait until first light and get
everybody you know together and start digging. And subsequently in
the group is a neighbor who's young and he does hunting,

(05:28):
and he was giving us some ideas on what would
be the best way to dig this path and to
get her to go down it. So we were taking
his advice and the plan was first thing, first light,
we were all going to get together, and there was
about ten of us, and we all live on fair
amounts of acreage, and so some people were coming from

(05:52):
five miles away. And so in the morning, my husband
went out at six point thirty in the morning to
see how the elk was doing and if she had
survived the night, and she was fine at six thirty
in the morning, so he raced back up to the
house and grabbed a cup of coffee and went back
down to meet all the neighbors at first light, which

(06:14):
was at seventh in the morning, and by the time
he got back there, she had passed away. It was
really really tragic because the point of the story was
I needed CPW to come out, and that's the animals.
They needed to come out and see if she was injured,

(06:35):
if she was diseased, if she was whatever was wrong
with her or not, and if if she really wasn't
going to make it through the night, and put the
animal out of its misery. Don't make it suffer in
the freezing cold and in pain for twenty four hours.
And that was the the the infuriating part of this

(06:56):
whole story, and the fact that so many willing neighbors,
so many compassionate people, didn't felt the way I did.
That they were willing to own well being to come
out and try and dig this animal in the dark.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, God love you. I mean, you guys did everything right.
I mean you are the best of all of us
right in this state. Let you down. The state left
this animal down. And I just don't understand that being
willing to allow a creature to suffer all night freezing
like that, I just don't get that. As you say, okay,

(07:33):
if you're not going to free the animal, and I
think they should have freed the animal that then just
put it out of its misery. Correct, Oh, how heartbreaking
and how tough for you and your husband to go
through this and your friends because you're doing all this work,
you're doing everything to save this animal, and you're just
not getting the help from the authorities who get everybody's

(07:54):
tax dollars so they can go do these things.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
And the funny thing is we don't live so rule
that it was a distance for the ranger to come.
You know, we live on roads. It's twenty minute drive out.
It's not a big deal. All he had to do
was just come look at the animal and didn't want
to do that.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Oh, so it would have been to Milly freed, our guests,
just a real hero here who was let down in
my view, by the state. But million, how far would
the ranger have had to come?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think we're about fourteen miles from town. Twelve No,
twelve miles twelve mile from town.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh, give me a breaking Yeah, I don't care if
it was an hour. I mean, that's that should be.
And we heard yesterday from a gentleman who'd been with
Parks and Wildlife forever and he was outraged about what
had happened to you and what had happened to this
beautiful elk. And he told all these stories about in
his thirty years there, how they would be rescuing bats

(08:55):
even and deer and fawn and elk, and they'd go
in to get him abilitated. So this, to me, my opinion,
just heartless and wrong. But you guys, you guys, just
I think you've struck a chord with people all over
the state because just just so many people just outraged
letting this animal suffer. Now, as you know, and I'm

(09:17):
so glad you joined us on air. There was this
mention in the paper saying that the elk had perished
while you guys were having a breakfast, which would have
been in my mind, perfectly appropriate get some fuel before
you go out there. But it sounds like you guys
had gathered and were ready to go out when the
elk passed.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, had we were ready to
go at first life. Wow, And that was a misrepresentation
on the paper's part, but yeah, we were ready to go.
And I feel badly because when the ranger told me
that early afternoon, I should have jumped on it and

(09:57):
just called everybody, and maybe we would have been able
to do something before I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
But you did everything right and at that point, you've
reached out to authorities. They've said, you know, the animal
will work it out essentially right, and you waited to
see if that would happen. Now, I think you are
absolutely heroic here, and my understand, Millie, can you join
us for part of the next segment?

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Sure? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I don't want to rush the end of this because
there are a couple of more questions and I know
that people are just really really wanting to hear from
you on this. So if you just joined us, Milli
Freed that the woman who so heroically, along with others,
tried to save this elk will stay with us for
one more segment. I have a couple of follow up
questions based on some news reports here on the Dankpla show. No,

(10:44):
we've got a real hero on the line. Milli Freed
is with us. This wonderful woman from Steamboat who, along
with her neighbors, took extraordinary action to try to save
an elk that was dying, that was freezing to death.
And this was after the state in mind you had
abandoned her. She did everything right. She was trying to
get the state's help to either save the animal or

(11:06):
to end its misery. So the animal wasn't stuck in
its up to its neck in snow all night and
dying a long and painful death. So we're grateful to
have Milly with us because so many people around the
state are so interested in this story. Mellian, I'm looking
at a quote from Abraham Lincoln. I am in favor
of animal rights as well as human rights. That is

(11:26):
the way of the whole human being. And Albert Einstein,
if a man aspires toward a righteous life, his first
act of abstinence is from injury to animals. I mean,
we all know right that any decent person would never
excuse me, let an animal sit there and writhe in pain.
So thank you for what you did to try to
save the animal, and I hope the state has learned

(11:49):
from this. Has there been any follow up from the
state after all of this publicity?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
No, no, I think I they didn't. The paper did
not interview the rangers that I spoke with, and they
just kind of said, well, let nature take its course,
which I found was not right. And everybody else that's
read the article has been up in arms over it.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, it sounds like code for laziness to me, and
then when we hear from this gentleman yesterday you said
he was a ranger or higher up for thirty years,
and the extraordinary links they would go to as rangers
to alleviate suffering of animals, to save animals, it just
sounds so wrong. There's been a lot of questions also

(12:39):
about the health of the animal. You've described it as
a beautiful elk, and then I think at least the
status tried to imply that the animal was some sort
of sickly beast. But my understanding is, if anything, it
was thin and needed some food.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yes, it looked and actually I mentioned I thought, can
we take it some food? But no, apparently the ranger
from the photograph that I seemed to think that the
animal was. Then what we discovered when the animal passed,
we called them up. They came out of the house.

(13:19):
Then after the animals died to look at it, to
look at it to determine if it was diseased or sick,
and the ranger determined that it was not, And a
neighbor of ows actually pulled the elk out of the
snow and we discovered that it had a broken leg.

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So when it turned and ran is when it broke
its leg.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
You know, And I'm sorry, but I'm just furious that
you did everything right and the state didn't come out
and just put that animal out of its misery. I
just don't understand that mentality is somebody in the States
that this is their job and they're going to let
that animal sit there and suffer for ten, twelve, fifteen hours.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I couldn't agree with you more. And I think if
somebody the ranger that didn't do his job, I think
the States should have taken responsibility and said, hey, yeah,
didn't do it. We're going to look into this, we're
going to fix it. We're going to make sure this
doesn't happen again. But if you read the article when
they interviewed CPW, it was more of just well, you know,

(14:33):
we'll it na sture take its course, yeah, which I
think is so very wrong.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
No, I do too, And what I took from the
article was just a bunch of bureaucratic cya type of stuff.
And I'm with you, Listen, I mess up in my life,
and then I've been raised since I was a little kid. Okay,
you make a mistake, admit it, do better, don't do
it again. Learn from it, and there's no indication that

(14:58):
the state's going to learn from this change what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I agree with you. I didn't get that impression at all,
and I was hoping maybe they would follow up, but
as you mentioned, they have not. Nobody's called nothing.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Well.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I am so thankful to you, you know, for you
were there. You were on the scene doing everything that
you could, to your neighbors who came out at first light,
you know, came out at six thirty in the morning
with shovels to try to save that animal. I mean,
you represent the best of us, and I'm just so
sorry the state let you down. I'm still hopeful that
even though they're not admitting their failure, that based upon

(15:37):
the media coverage of this and you having the courage
to speak out, that maybe they'll do it better next time.
And maybe you know, you did everything you could to
save this animal, but maybe what you've really done is
save a lot more animals down the road.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
And you know, it's funny that you say that, because
that's what everybody's been saying, that maybe this animal it
will represent that other animals will get save down the road.
So I certainly hope so.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right well, thank you million, thanks for joining us today.
I hope we meet in person someday.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
That would be lovely. Thanks Dan, you.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Take care of that is MILLI freed And you know,
a lot of good people in the world, you know,
you know how news is. It's news because it's different,
so it's usually bad stuff. But there's so many great
people in the world. And I'm really really happy we
had a chance to talk to Millie. And I've got
to believe probably ninety five to ninety eight percent of

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the folks who are joining this conversation right now, you know,
would applaud million want to do the same thing, because
I just think we're created that way. We're wired that way,
you know, to want to alleviate suffering and animals we
have this stewardship, right whether you believe in God or not,
you just know it the way you're wired, we have
this stewardship. We're responsible for him. And yeah, we're supposed

(16:52):
to eat them because we're supposed to sustain and continue
on this earth and be healthy and strong, but we're
supposed to treat them with respect. And the ultimate dissor
inspect is letting an animal suffer in pain like that
hour after hour no, and hopefully the state got the message.
Even though they're not, you know, person enough to admit

(17:13):
it that this is wrong. It will not be accepted
by the people. I'll bet you we'll never know for sure, right,
but I'll bet you that Millie has saved a lot
of other animals in the future by speaking out on this.
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Will take text and calls on this when we come back.

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But then also a news of the day President Trump
short time ago, he cancels Joe Biden's security clearance, which
I think is absolutely essential, and I'd be surprised if
anybody on either side of the aisle will oppose that,
and I hope they do, just because again it's what
Scott Jennings said yesterday, right, Trump's taking the eighty side

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of all these eighty twenty issues, and then Democrats just
because they, hey, Trump are taking the twenty side, which
is beautiful because it just exposes that the Democratic Party
for what it has become and an American needs, because
America needs the Democratic Party to fail, it needs the
modern Democratic Party to fail. And the Democratic Party fortunately

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is cooperating in that essential endeavor eight five five for
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seven seven thirty nine You're on the Dan Kapla Show
five thirty five. Glad you're here thanks to Millie Freed,
the wonderful woman from Steamboat who went to such heroic
links to save that elk, that elk who died such
a slow and painful death because the state wouldn't respond,

(18:38):
either rescue it or to put it out of its misery.
So but but it just comes back to, and I'm
sure you've seen it in your own life in a
hundred different ways, right that that people are so good,
you know, people who disagree with you on political stuff,
people who you know, whatever. But just yeah, there's evil
in the world and all that, but there's so much
goodness in so many people, and so often animal bring

(19:00):
it out, which makes it so cruelly ironic that it's
the professionals here up but parks and wildlife who don't
respond to aid this animal and listen. I have no doubt.
I don't interact with parks and wildlife much. I have
no doubt the vast majority of people are great and
care about animals and do a lot of heroic things
we never think about. But this was an abject failure.

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They failed Milli Free, they failed her husband, they failed
all the neighbors who showed up at six thirty in
the morning with shovels to try to save the animal.
And above all, they failed the animal, which died this
slow and painful death, buried up to its neck in
a snowbank for hours and hours and hours. So hey,
we all fail at some point, right, But you got
to admit it, You got to learn the lesson, and

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you got to vow it's never going to happen again.
And instead we get, in my opinion, a bunch of
bureaucratic bs. Yeah, not right. And it may go too,
It may go to this whole, you know, lessening of
standards in America, which has been I think part of
a certain only the result of the left, and I
think maybe a conscious type of effort on the part

(20:05):
of the left, because obviously, you know, what does the
left want? And I'm not blaming the left for what happened.
This was a failure by the government from which it
needs to learn. I'm now getting to a broader issue.
Have we got to be better than that. What happened
to excellence in miracle? We got excellence from Milli Freed
and her husband and their friends, and then we got

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the opposite of that from the State, and a poor
animal suffered hour after hour after hour, and none of
us listen to have to be theologians to get it.
Anybody out there is any belief in God, they know
because they know because they're wired that way and everything
they've read and the Bible and everything else, that if
you're going to abuse animals, I mean, you know, good

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luck in the next round. And to me, letting an
animal just sit there and linger in pain. Yeah, yeah,
So Milly and her friends heroes and the States got
to learn from sate five for zero five A two
five five the number Biden is security clearance canceled. And
it'll be interesting to see if there's any pushback from

(21:09):
the left and that how could there be you know,
how could Trump justified leaving Biden with security clearance for
even another minute? Right when? I mean, look at the
her report and I read the whole darn thing. By
the way, I can't remember how many I think I
think it was hundreds of pages and I read it all,
and so even back then, even back then, you know

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that the only reason this Biden wasn't prosecuted for compromising
our national secrets is as a prosecutor believed that Biden
was so mentally deficient that a jury would conclude that
he didn't even remember what he had done. So, yeah,
I think Trump did absolutely the right thing. Let me

(21:54):
read you the verbat him on that tweet this afternoon.
There is no need for Joe Biden to continue receiving
access to classified information. Therefore, we are immediately revoking Joe
Biden's security clearances and stopping his daily intelligence briefings. He
set this president in twenty twenty one when he instructed
the IC to stop the forty fifth president of the

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United States friends me from accessing details on national security,
a courtesy provided to former presidents. The her report revealed
that Biden suffers from quote poor memory, and even in
his quote prime could not be trusted with sensitive information.
I will always protect our national security. Joe, You're fired.

(22:36):
Make America great again. It's wow. It's an amazing thing
to behold, isn't it? Have we ever seen? Have we
ever seen a president and his team more organized, more focused,
more calibrated, more orchestrated. It's just bang bang bang, bang

(22:56):
bang every day since election day. They were ready going in.
They knew they were going to win, or they were
real confident they were going to win. They were ready
going in. And what a great service to America. And
one of the most important things that I've read was JD.
Vance telling an interviewer that Trump asked when he saw
Vance the other day, Trump asked, how many days do
we have left? And that Trump is constantly asking everybody

(23:18):
how many days do we have left? And he knows
how many days they have left, but he wants to
remind them right. Time is short. Got to get it
done now. I love that attitude. Daniel in Arvada, you're
on the Dan Kaplis Show.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Welcome Dan, You're so far out of school on that alchispathetic.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, nice to meet you.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
We've talked before, n we've had words. Oh man, you're
just I wanted him for fifty years.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
Good.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
And they're a great They're a beautiful animal. But that's
how elk die. They die a slow, miserable death. If
it was buried up to its neck in snow, it
was either so old that it couldn't navigate anymore. It
was dying of starvation. I guess it ended up having

(24:10):
a broken leg, right, But I completely agree with the
division a while. Let nature take its course.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Okay, So let me understand Daniel. So they're apparently, in
your worldview, is great value in allowing an animal to
dye a slow, painful death rather than putting the animal
out of its misery? Can you explain that a little more?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yes, how elk die so that a wild thing can't
be running around the woods shooting every dying elk?

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Okay, well, how about putting the ones who can be
put out of their misery out of their misery? Is
that a good thing or a bad thing.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
For one elk? For them to make a trip out
there to go out and shoot that one elk? No,
I don't. I don't see any purpose in it.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Okay, Well, the purpose, obviously, the purpose would be to
relieve the animal's pain. And I want to revisit your
premise in a second. But then let's also talk about
my friend here. You have this home owner, this wonderful woman,
Millie Free. This is now in it's it's still a
residential area in the sense. You have homes on a
lot of property, so.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
I'm familiar with Oh, okay, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
So when you've got a situation like that, and you
have now a tax pain citizen who is now being
exposed to this really emotionally traumatizing event, are you telling
us that the taxpayer funded state officers don't have a
responsibility in that situation to come out and relieve the

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animals suffering, if for no other reason than to serve
the taxpayers who are being traumatized by this animal suffering
on their property.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Dan, we totally we look at it totally different.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, but I got you there. That's why you're not
giving me a direct answer, Yeah, Daniel admitted.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Because even if you want to say that there's somehow
great value in making sure they all die a miserable death,
which we'll get to in a second, because because I
think that's nonsense, but you've got to acknowledge that when
you're talking about the trauma now being inflicted on the
human taxpayer because this animal is dying a slow, torturous

(26:20):
death in their backyard. At that point, state officers have
to respond, right, no, oh, well, what else do they.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Have to do.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
What else do they I don't know. I've never I've
never been a division of wild, I've never been a warden.
Well art to have other things to do. And I
just want to add real quickly to your point. Wolves
don't die like that. I mean, if it would have
been one of Gerald's precious wolves, yeah, I agree with
you on that. I'm no fan of that introduction. Yeah yeah,

(26:52):
but I'm sure they wouldn't have sent helicopters and and
uh squads of uh oh yeah, game wardens out there
or anything else. The animals die in the wild.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
And Daniel, But let's get to your premise, which I
think is fatally flawed. Your premise is that every single
elk dies like this one did? Every single elk dies
a slow shot tortures? Okay, run over, yep, okay, well, well,
hold on a second. When they get shot, it's not
a slow torture's death, right when they get shot by
a hunter?

Speaker 4 (27:24):
No, No, it is sometimes a very wish would call well.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm glad you did. Can you hold on because I
don't want to cut you off and we're at a
hard break. But I want to come back to Daniel.
I always thought and I'm not a hunter. I grew
up in Chicago. I always thought that the whole idea
of hunting was that, hey, you know you're trained, you
go out there, you respect wildlife, and I do believe
this about hunters. And then they shoot the animal. The

(27:51):
animal does not linger, does not linger in pain. The
meat is used most often, et cetera. But Daniel, I guess,
is here to tell us, oh, no, no, when he
goes those animals are lingering in pain. Well, we'll explore
that more when we come back. You're on the Dan
Kapla Show.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Five p.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Fifty one. Glad you're here. Hey, I've really got a hustler.
We have jam lines, and I want to start with
the color with us at the break Daniel from Arvada,
who I disagree with on every point. But Daniel, when
we want to break, you said you're a hunter. Every
elk dies a slow and painful death, and that when
you go hunting.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
No I didn't say that. No, I did not say that, That's.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
What I heard. But anyway, so I've got a text
from a hunter who says, Dan, ask this caller if
he gut shoots his elk so they can die long
deaths like he says they should.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Boy, I'll tell you what, I'm not going to get
into all of that. That's a whole different subject here
now building a straw man trying to make an argument
against me about gut shooting.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Now, I'm Daniel. I'm not accusing you of that, and
I'm sure you don't, and I'm sure you hunt ethically
and that you make sure those animals every.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Shot, Dan, not every shot is the perfect shot.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Understood.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Times you wound the animal, right.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
But then you make sure.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Follow up and take that animal, yes, and put it
out of its misty.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's my point, and I'm sure you do that, Daniel.
I'm sure you do everything in your power to make
sure that animal doesn't suffer. And that's what I'm talking about,
the same thing should have been done for that elk
in the field and steamboat that to help the woman
was asking for.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
I see that elk wasn't shot, that oak was putured
up to its neck and.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Right, but it should have been put out of its
misery by the state, which he asked it to do.
She asked it to rescue the animal, and if it
couldn't rescue the animal, to put it out of its
misery and instead they let it suffer, not the heroic neighbors,
but the state let it suffer for fourteen hours.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
It looks like, well again I I would I would
side with the divisional while like they made the call. Yeah,
the elk is going to die. It's going to die
a slow, painful death unless you make sure it's starvation.

(30:08):
And therefore, why would they go out and put it
out of its misery so it.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Doesn't die a snow well? And this one happens to
be in backyard. Danie'll appreciate the call. Again, I have
no doubt that you treat animals with respect and you
make sure they don't suffer. I just think the state
should have also. Let's go to Robert. You're on the
Dane capitalist. She'll welcome.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
Hi. Dam been hunting for forty one years, Yes, sir,
My grandfather took me on my first hunt when I
was eight years old.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (30:36):
The first thing that old man taught me was never
take a shot. Take you sure it's the right shot.
So you do everything that you ethically impossibly can to
make sure that when you pull that trigger or you
release the bowstring, that quit kill shot that animal doesn't suffer.
Now that hasn't been said. There's a thousand factors that

(30:57):
can go into that. Man, a puffle wind, you know,
your your arrow or your round catches to touch foliage.
The deer, that elk, an animal whatever spooks as you're
releasing and you don't get that perfect shot. In my
early twenties, I had to track a here for about
three hours because I didn't get that good shot, you know,
and uh, and that sucked, and then packing it out

(31:20):
was even worse. But uh, you know that that's just
the reality of it. Now with the with this elk
up in was is in something like that? Look, do
I think that the Department of Wildlife kind of crapt
the bed on that one? Yeah. I can understand them
not wanting to deploy the resources to try and get
that animal out of that gully and and risking the

(31:44):
safety of the people that would have been involved in it.
But the e in my mind, the ethical decent thing
to do would be to put it out of its misery.
It would not take much for a DW officer to
go out there, you know, with whatever rifle they happened
to have, whether you know, two seventy or a three
hundred win mag who cares, Yeah, and put a put

(32:06):
a mercy shot in that poor thing. Yeah, you sit
there and waste away and freeze to death.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Well said. And it sounds to me the story you
told Robert about. Then you track the animal for three miles.
I assume part of that was because three hours was
because you wanted to make sure it didn't suffer and
you wanted to end what you started.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
Absolutely. Yeah, And I couldn't tell you to this day
why it wasn't the good shot. I had it lined up.
I thought it was a great shot, but it wasn't.
And yeah, so I was following blood trails and whatnot
for three hours before I finally found it. And then
you know, put it down.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
God love you for not letting it suffer. And I
have to imagine I've never hunted, but I have to
imagine there's never been a hunter who had every shot perfect.
That's just not life.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
No, it's it's never going to happen that way, because
it's just like the guy that tells you he's won
every fight he's ever been in. Yeah, there's been a fighter.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Robert appreciate the call man, thank you, call off, and
we'll end the show with Jason another hunter. You're on
the Dan Kaplas show.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Welcome, Hey, Dan, love the show. You going to make
this real quick. It's a total change of subject. It's
more kind of a humanitarian if you want to say, Uh,
there's a wonderful human being in this world that needs
all of our prayers. We've been following him on YouTube.
His name he goes by Desert Drifter. His name's Andrew Cross.

(33:31):
He was and I would I would love to hear
if you're a law firm could help him out. From
what I understand, he was rear ended at a stop
sign and he's got he's an ICU with traumatic brain injury.
He's a wonderful human, wonderful human being, Christian got a
beautiful family. His name's Andrew Cross.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Andrew Cross, Well, he'll be in all our prayers, man,
Thank you, and I can.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
I'd hope for everybody to check out his Desert Drifter.
He's an amazing individual. Prayers, prayers work and will help him.
And if your law firm could help him, that.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
Even be a miracle in itself.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
But thank you for letting.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Me get on Jason. Yeah, prayers, I don't know Jason
or this gentleman, but yeah, we all know how just
in the blink of an eye something like that, it
just changes everything. So prayers for this gentleman, and thank
you Jesse Thomas for the great job you've done. And Kelly,
prayers for her dad who still remains in ICU. And wow,

(34:37):
I hate to do this, I really hate to do
this because I don't want to bum anybody out, but
I've got this gift when it comes to sports prediction.
And don't bet on this because it ruined my weekend
if I turned out. This is the one time in
forty years I'm wrong, wink. But sorry to be the
bearer of bad news. But Kansas City is going to
win this game, and I just you know the big

(34:59):
winner though, without question, we'll be President Trump. So we'll
enjoy that on Monday together. Have a great weekend. Join
us Monday on The Dan Kaplis Show.