May 27, 2026 • 34 mins
This episode of the Dan Caplis Show is a must-listen for anyone following the Colorado gubernatorial race. The conversation is a lively discussion with John Fabbricatore, a former ICE official, about the latest debate between Scott Bottoms, Barb Kirkmeyer, and Victor Marx. Fabricatory shares his insights on the candidates' performances, highlighting both the strengths and weaknesses of each.
The episode delves into the world of politics, where John Fabbricatore's expertise shines. He discusses the importance of immigration policy, the need for fiscal sanity, and the role of the governor in implementing changes. The conversation also touches on the candidates' approaches to issues like parental rights, Medicaid reform, and the economy. With Fabricatory's unique perspective, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the complexities of Colorado politics.
One of the most striking aspects of the episode is Fabbricatore's critique of Victor Marx's approach to politics. He questions Marx's strategy of blocking people on social media who disagree with him, labeling it as "dictatorial." Fabricatory also highlights the importance of transparency and accountability in politics, emphasizing that a governor should be willing to engage with critics and opponents.
If you're interested in staying up-to-date on the Colorado gubernatorial race and want to hear a thoughtful analysis of the candidates' performances, tune in to this episode of the Dan Caplis Show. Fabricatory's insights offer a unique perspective on the issues and candidates, making this episode a must-listen for anyone invested in Colorado politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Veram setting in as your guest host. And you know
it's been a great day. I had Dick Quadums on
in the first hour, kind of talking about the debate
last night down at Well, the goodnatorial debate that Scott
Bottoms and Bart Kokmeyer engaged in and Victor Marx did not.
And in this next hour we're going to have John
Fabricatory with us, which doesn't need much of an introduction,
(00:36):
but when we bring him on, we'll have him give
his background a little bit for those of you who
may not have heard heard of him. But in the meantime,
I definitely want to encourage you guys to to text
in five seven, seven, three nine, start your text out
with Dan so that it comes straight to me, and
you guys are definitely doing that. You can also call
in three three eight one, three seven two five five,
(00:56):
and I want to get right to one of our
callers we have from Elizabeth Online Jill. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hi, Jeff, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm great? Thanks for calling in. And it's in the
notes here it says that you have some comments about Bottoms,
kirk Meyer, Marx, and Lopez. So you're one of those
research to people.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Totally okay, what do you got?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I want you to know it's a pleasure to talk
to you. Thank you, and I wish you were running
for governor. But I'm gonna tell you well, County's gonna
need you big time.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm happy to stay there.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
The commissioner run wasn't something I had in my sights,
but I think it'll be good when it's all said
and done, even though I'm definitely campaigning for a pay cup.
But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, it's not always about the money, you're You're right. Uh,
you know, here's the thing I think we need to
no matter what, I just I don't care about Victim Marx.
You know, he's if you If people don't understand what
he is or put it this way, what he isn't
(02:01):
by now, that's not going to change. And I really
am tired of the auctioning about him like he's I
don't know, like making him important.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, let me ask you, do you think he's relevant?
Do you even think he's relevant in this race? Okay,
that's fair.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well yeah, oh no, I think he's relevant in the
race because he's got the money. Okay, not because of
anything else. No, nothing, nothing to do with his politics anything.
I mean, you know, good for him, he says he
loves God. I'm good with that part. But the rest
of him, no, just the money.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So where do you go from there?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Who's your next relevant?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay? Yeah, the money is important, gets your name recognition.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, exactly. And he's you know, he's known everywhere everywhere
if you if you look at all of his comments
and stuff that after he posts something, you know, there's
so many people that are I'm from here that are
just like, yeah, go bitter.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, he has a following for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So anyway, I I just feel like we make too
big of a deal out of him, because no matter
what's going to happen with him, it's going to happen
as far as like last night with the debate, And
I know Michael Brown can be intense, but that's you know,
I'm going to tell you, to be honest, I've been
(03:19):
listening to this man since Katrina and I love him.
I mean, I really really loved the way his brain works,
and I understand him very well, and I know how
smart he is. And that thing that Bottom said about
making every performance should be able to, you know, get
oil off their property, and he has no clue how
(03:40):
to make that work. And everybody thought that was just
like two of you of a comment, Well, it's important
because you can't put out fake, fake dreams to people
like that.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
You can't do that.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You've got to have some level of understanding of what
you're talking about and promising and saying, oh, I think
everybody should make the fortune on their oil, you know.
And then and then the fact that nobody said no
one said, well, I would get rid of the transportation person,
which we really need to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I thought that was low hanging fruit. When when
I don't remember who asked that question, I think it
was Vance had asked the question about what would you
do with with the Department of Transportation. Yeah, I thought
the easy answer was, well, start with firing the director
of the Department of Transportation. That didn't get said by either,
and maybe it was just implied that that's automatically what
they would do, but saying it out loud would definitely
(04:34):
be impactful.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, you're right that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I would have heard it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That was a missed opportunity. So what did you think
of kirk Meyer's performance last night?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
There's I can't get behind her. I just can't. I
wanted to, I really did. I know, I know she
tried very hard to try to play nice with with
the bad guys. You know, I know she does, and
(05:05):
and of course she should, you know, we we need
that in in a lot of ways. But I don't.
I just don't like that she's been around as long
as she has and this is where we still are,
and so that and so there's that, and so then
there's there's a great glowpez I didn't vote for him
the first time. But he's making the rounds and he's
(05:29):
going and he's you know, he's saying and he's and
he's definitely definitely walking the line right, he's walking the fence.
And but the thing is, I don't feel any of
these people are strong enough to be our governor. But
I don't care how loud you want to talk or whatever,
like Markin says, you know, he sounds big and strong,
(05:51):
but in real life he doesn't have any regular knowledge
and then got bottoms. I just feel it's kind of
I wish you washing Bard to me is depending too
much on the fact that she's been here so long.
Sure well, quit telling people that. I mean, I mean,
I don't think that makes you look at and Victor Mark,
(06:13):
I mean Greg Lopez. You know why I like him?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Why who?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Because who he's running with? He is a firecracker and
a pistol and that would be the reason why I
would vote for him.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
All right, So what I'm taking from this conversation one
you kind of was a little bit of a downer.
But two, if it gets to the point where any
of these folks are the Republican nominee, it sounds like
you're leaning towards Lopez and the unaffiliated field, which, by
the way, is still not an easy, easy haul. He's
got to, I think, pull a thousand signatures or fifteen
hundred signatures in each congressional district, which sounds easy, but
(06:50):
I always tell people the first hundred are easy. Everything
after that becomes very difficult, and trying to do that
through a volunteer efforts tough. So he still has to
make the ballot before he's technically a candidate, and I
think that's not a given at this point. I'll just
put it that way.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Now, you're right, You're right, it's not. But the more
he lets her speak, the better, the happier, and better
I get on endorsing him.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Okay, Well, Jill, I appreciate you calling in, and I
appreciate you giving an honest opinion on all four candidates
that have been actual well three of the four that
have been engaged in the political process, and again, thanks
for calling in. I think what we'll do now is
cut to a little quick break so that we come
back we can get right to our special guest, John Fabricatory,
who's in studio with us, looking tough and mean and
(07:40):
ready to roll. So I don't want to keep him
holding any longer than I have to, So we'll go
to break here on six point thirty. K how you're
listening to the Dan Capless Show with well Kenny Sheriff
Steve Raams as your guest host.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well Kenny Sheriff Steve Raams is your guest host, and
you know Ryan, you always have the best bumper music
for certain guests. And leading to that, we have John
Fabricatory in the studio and John, I think we met
probably gosh what it feels like a while back, because
when you were overseeing ice for Colorado and Wyoming, you
had just taken on that role and we were trying
to figure out how to navigate the waters that were
(08:19):
that was, you know, how do we transfer inmates from
local jails to your custody in the wake of all
the sanctuary bills in Colorado, And it was it was tough.
It was tough trying to figure out how to navigate
those waters, and you were working in under an administration
that quite frankly sucked at the time. So I'll start
out with that, John, what have you been doing for
(08:40):
the last year or so under the Trump administration?
Speaker 7 (08:44):
Well, you know, I retired in twenty twenty two, and
then after I lost my bid for Congress, the Trump
administration contacted me and asked me if I wanted to
take a job as a senior advisor over at Health
and Human Services for Robert F.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Kennedy Junior.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
And it was basic with so my portfolio was OARR
the Office of refugee settlement, so I settled into that role.
I had more in my portfolio that dealt with a
lot of immigration stuff that happens within AHHS, some of
the fraud that that they're dealing with, uh, you know,
benefit fraud, medicaid, medicare snap, you know, dealing with a
(09:19):
birthright citizenship.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I sat down on on on the on the team
for that.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
And writing some of that, which should be coming up
before the Supreme Court here.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
In a couple of days.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, So, you know, it was a really great experience.
Robert F. Kennedy Junior was a really really cool guy
to work for.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
So different for me than being with DHS kind of
being inn at alpha environment where everyone's bumping heads all
the time, arguing Yeah, I mean, that's just how that
environment is.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's you know, it has a bunch of guys like that,
law enforcement guys.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
But but HHS was very different, very analytical, very scientific,
a lot of doctors there, and and RF case just
such a really bright guy and really inquisitive about a
lot of things that I was bringing to the table
about immigration. So it was very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And I know you've talked about, you know, trying to
locate kids that you know, the term gets gets used
as lost, and I think we were struggling how to
define that off air, But you were talking about as
many as one hundred and forty five thousand kids that
needed to be located in the interior US. And that
number sticks with me because there's a particular governor's candidate
that talks about rescuing forty five thousand kids. What was
(10:22):
that work like or what was that what was the
space that you were operating in for that?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Well, yeah, under Biden, Biden allowed in close to five
hundred thousand WIWYEH unaccompanied half a million unaccompanied alien children.
So these were children under eighteen years old, from from
you know, newborns to seventeen before they turn eighteen.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
But what you know, they're supposed to be vetted.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
They're supposed to go to two sponsors that are highly
vetted with background checks and you know, looking into their
financials and everything else.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
But they didn't do that under the Biden administration, and
there was a lot of fraud and a lot of these.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
UACs the COMPANYDA only children were let in and then disappeared.
So we didn't have good addresses for them, We didn't
really know who their sponsors were because they were so
lightly vetted the sponsors where we're using fraud and sending
in fraudulent documents, and under the Biden administration, they weren't
even double checking it. So we were able to locate
out of that nearly five one hundred and forty five
(11:19):
thousand of them that we were able to find, we
found forty eight kids deceased. Out of those one forty five.
We found a lot of kids that were, you know,
in really really rough situations, living in drug houses. We
found kids that have been sexually trafficked, labor trafficked. In fact,
the New York Times did a huge story on the
labor trafficking that was occurring, you know, So there were
(11:41):
a lot of kids in it, and of course there
were there were some that we found, uh you know
that we're we're living with sponsors in decent situations and
we allowed them to continue in that situation, go through
immigration court and go through the process. And we're following
them much more closely now under this administration, so we
know where they are at all times, we know that
they're going to court and we and we can deal
(12:03):
with those.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Before this, we did not know.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It was just unknown. So the implied thing is there's
still about three hundred and fifty five thousand out there
that are that are still being searched for. That mission
continues even without you necessarily being in that role. The
team continues that that effort.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, absolutely, So, you know, there was a war room
that we.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Put together with multiple agencies, FBI, HSI, E, RO, O, I, IRS,
you know, just a bunch of different agencies, Treasury, War Department,
you name it, and they've all been looking for those kids.
But out of that number that you just said, one
of the other unique things that happened under Biden. You
know when we say that these kids were missing, and
(12:43):
people key in on kids. You know, when you say kids,
what age do you normally?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Sure you're thinking like eight nineteen years old exactly. Some
of these kids are seventeen almost exactly.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
So eighty percent we're over fourteen years old. Mail that
came across the board.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Twenty in twenty two, so you're looking at kids that
have turned eighteen and aged out, and they've.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Aged out exactly.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
So we so through our analysis of the numbers and
who we were looking for, we've determined that about three
hundred thousand have aged out, that's right.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
So those were still looking for them because we want
to know where they are.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
And they disappeared into the US and ICE was arrested
about eighteen thousand of them for crime, so that they
found them.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You know, these figure these crews that are out there
robbing malls and you know, doing some of these things.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
So ICE is encountering them or actually local departments like
your sheriff's department might encounter them out now as a
twenty year old, twenty one year old. Take their fingerprints,
because everyone over fourteen years old was fingerprinted at the border.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Under fourteen, they were not.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
So if they were over fourteen and fingerprinted, when you
arrest them and in your sheriff's department, you'll get a
hit off the you know that that they were you know,
encountered by the Border Patrol. That would go through interoperability
back to ICE, who would then send it over to
US at HHS because we were in charge of the UACs.
We'd look up that we find that they were a
UAC that we were looking for. ICE would then deal
(14:03):
with that case so they would count as one of
the ones that we found.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You found them, they were in your jail. But we're
going to count that stat for us.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Makes total sense. Well, shifting gears a little bit. I
contacted you a while back when we started talking about
some particular governor's candidate. We talked just the other night.
I wanted to make sure you got a chance to
come to the debate. Yeah, thank you helped facilitate getting
you a ticket, but you know we didn't have all
three candidates on the stage. You were in attendance in person.
(14:31):
I don't know if you've got to see any any
of the other governor's debates in person. Isn't okay? Now,
so this is this is a free first pass here
and a lot of people will go, well, why is
this guy making political commentary? Because you know, you roll
in federal government for a long time. Politics matters. You've
seen it on the front line. You know what it
means locally. And plus you ran for a congressional seat.
(14:51):
You've been in the fire and I really wanted to
get your opinion. Now. I don't know where you stand
on Scott Bottoms or on Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. I know
that you're a big fan of Victor Marx.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
No, no, how shocking come on.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I mean, you and I have had a few text
message exchanges that would leave me to believe you might
be a big fan.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
And you know that.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Yeah, you and I have shared information back and forth.
You know, both of us as law enforcement officers looking
at some of the stuff that he said. And that's
what started to key off the both of us. You know,
we're just looking at things that he said that he said,
you know, law enforcement's done or used him to do,
and we're like, that does not happen.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well to that point, we have a text that came
in that says I'm a cop of twenty three years
and it's easy to see that the inconsistencies in victor
stories are hard to follow, especially when it comes to
him talking about interactions with police. We just don't operate
in that manner, In the manner that he speaks, same
thing you and I talked about. This just doesn't jive.
And I think the best way of kind of highlighting
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who Victor Marx is before we really dive into this
conversation is with this clip.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
This makes me chuckle.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
When people say Victor Marx is afraid to debate. I
think the Denver Gazette newsletter. I don't know what they're called. Yeah, yeah,
that The reality is I don't need a debate.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I'm winning.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I'm actually winning. I don't know by what metric he
chucks that up to. But John, you got to watch
two candidates on stage last night that went at it.
They went at it with the moderators. What's your take
is Victor marks winning?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
No?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
You know?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
And and the thing is he discounts a large part
of the population by saying that you know and you know,
and you know he got scared because you know, Michael
Brown sent them a letter and it kind of.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Scared him off.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
But I watched last night as Michael Brown went after
Scott Bottoms, and what it proved to me was that Scott.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Bottoms could take the heat.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I mean he didn't yell back at at at at
Michael Brown. He was very, very calm, and Michael Brown
was going after him on some stuff on water rights
and oil. And that's where Victor should have been like
for him to say that that Brown was going after him.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
That's what we want to see.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
We want to see people come after you and how
you handle that situation.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
You couldn't do it he couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, I agree, because you know, if you think Michael
Brown's tough, when you have a pool of media standing
in front of you asking questions in a really tough environment,
they're not just they're not going to back down.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
They're going to I have had that our careers.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, I said earlier in the show. I'd love
to debate this guy because I've been in the fire,
I've dealt with those issues, and I just I don't
I mean, I want to see it, but so far,
I don't know that we're going to get that opportunity.
He's supposed to debate with nine News. I think next
Tuesday or somewhere in there. Time will tell we're going
to go to this break. When we come back, we'll
actually get into the questions that we're in the debate
(17:46):
last night. So hold your water. We'll talk about Barb
and Scott's answers, we'll see which ones you liked, which
ones you didn't, and we'll ask you who you thought
the winner was. But you're listening to the Dan Caplis
Show here on six point thirty K, how well can
you shriff? Steve Riams as your guest host, and we'll
be right back.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast and is.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Out on vacation. And as we went to break, we
were talking about John Fabricatory and kind of slicing and
Dyson a little bit of the candidates that are in
this Republican gubernatorial race. And you were at the debate
last night. John, I want to get right into Scott
Bottoms and Barb Kirkmeyer because we haven't got a chance
to really talk about them too much just yet. What
did you think? What was your overall impression of how
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those two performed.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Yeah, you know, I, first of all, I thought the
debate was held very well. I thought the questions were
relevant to our state.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I would have of course me loved an immigration question.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
We didn't get around to that, you know, But overall,
I thought the questions were well thought out, and I
thought both candidates did a good job of answering those questions.
You know, I feel that Barb Kirkmeier is just so polished.
I mean she you know, she really is. I believe
she's a great you know, and understanding how our state
(19:14):
runs and policy. And you know, for me, Bottoms, you know,
I'm I'm a very small government guy. I want to
get rid of taxes, so so Bottoms when he talks
about that stuff, you know, it kind of draws me in,
you know, so so it was, you know, I liked
listening to both of them, and I think that's why
these debates are important, because I'm looking at two candidates
who there are pieces of each candidate that I really
(19:36):
really like, and there are some things about them that
I don't like. So that's where it's relevant to be
there at this debate so you can determine who am
I going to vote for.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I couldn't agree more. And I don't think you get
that from following someone on social media because they're they're
answering the things that they think highlight them the right
and you know, to that point, we've talked about Victor
Marx a lot, but every candidate's going to do that.
They're not going to tell you, Hey, this is the
thing I struggle with the most. But when you're in
lifetime and a question gets asked and even when they're
having you know, just a hard time hearing the question
sometimes and they're having to struggle through it, it tells you, yes,
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you know, how do you work through a difficult situation,
and you know, there was some reverberation from the microphones
of the moderators, and while that's not a plan thing,
it does add additional stress. It shows me how they
interact with it. And you and I were talking off air.
I thought one of the things that Scott Bottoms struggled
with but also walked away from pretty well was when
he and he and Michael Brown had the exchange over
(20:31):
water rights and mineral rights. You know, he Scott didn't
he didn't lose his cool. You know, he stayed on point,
and he made a comment when he walked away. We
were talking about that a little bit, but you were
talking about that exchange as well.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah, for me, it was really important to see that
because I don't really know Scott Bottoms that well.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I've watched Kirkmeyer more over.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
The years, and I was just impressed me in that
moment that he kept his composure, he kept his cool,
He was on point to the message that he wanted
to deliver.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Even if it wasn't necessarily right on point.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
You stand on point and he has that belief and I,
you know, as someone who owns water rights, I appreciated
him trying to fight to that point, and you know,
he got attacked on it because he, you know, maybe
what was off on some points. And Michael Brown was
going to make sure you said that, but it was
important to see that in live time, just like you said.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, And I thought the interesting comment he made, I
say walking away was if you just keep listening, you'll
understand where I'm coming from. So he's not afraid to
stay in the arena. And and you got to give
the guy credit for that.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know, I talked with with Dick Wadums a little
bit in that earlier hour. I thought one area they
both probably could have improved on. Well one, because you
have ninety seconds doesn't mean you have to use all
ninety seconds. But the question about the roads and what
would you do to see dot? Neither one of them
instantly said remove the director, fire them. I mean, I
(21:58):
think it was implied, but man, you can't have anything
implied there. And I was like, come on, swinging a miss.
Was there anything that you heard from the candidates where
you're like, you know, I would have loved to heard
a stronger answer there. I know you were taking notes, just.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Like, yeah, you know, so I've got some notes written
down here. And you know, like I said, I thought
that they bolt did really well. They they tried to
stay on track with their with their message, which is
you know, political polishing, right. I mean, you know, as
a politician, you have to understand not to get all,
you know, off of your your message. You know, they
had talked about some some housing and how they would
(22:31):
deal uh, you know, with the housing issues. I thought
that they could have been a little bit more more
robust about that.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Definitely. You know, roads are a huge problem to everyone
here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
It's to that point Scott Bottom's minimized that he said,
I don't think people care about roads. Yeah, I thought
that was a miss.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
That was a misstep.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
He said that, and then he gave a plan on
what he would do. He didn't talk about firing, you know,
the Sea Dot director. But I think.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Everyone cares about roads in Colorado, cares about the road
of I need an alignment on my truck right now.
I mean, I'm bringing it in this week just because
of all the potholes on Costly hyah.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah. You know again, I think another issue I thought
they were both pretty good on was the parntal rights issue.
Scott Bottoms obviously lives in that space. He's very you know,
he talks about pedophilia and all that, but I think
that that's his wheelhouse, right, He's he's a minister. He
likes the family unit. I thought Barb was very strategic
in the way she talked about parental rights and talked
(23:33):
about the bills she's fought, but Scott seemed to be
a have a more of an emotional connection in that
particular area. And I think that's an important area for
Colorado voters as well.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Yeah, you know, a lot of people do care about
those issues, the intimate issues. They do care about abortion,
they do care about family planning, you know, the whole
trans rights agenda. They do want to know what's going
to be done about that. And you know, when you're
running for office, you need to be able to talk
about all those succinctly and be able to say what
(24:03):
you're going to do with actual legislation to affect those things.
You know, you can have the these the these glitzy
you know little uh you know, uh, you know, paragraphs
written up dad that you know you can throw out
when a reporter asks you something that's not what I
want to hear.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I mean, yeah, those are those are.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Good that to show that you can put something together.
But we we're talking about legislation, like what can you
actually do that is going to affect my life that
you can get signed into law and can you know
change Colorado?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, I think, uh, you know where the rubber meets
the road. And to that point, both of the both
Bottoms and kirk Meyer, they're elected officials. They have a
public facing persona. You know, they're getting attacked by the
people who aren't necessarily their supporters, and this is where
they have a little bit of a disadvantage over someone
like Victor Marx. I'm gonna play this clip for you
because Marx is handling his social media in a completely
(24:54):
different way. He's he's very much a fundraiser on it.
But this, this clip says it all to me.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Litigations.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
All I can tell you is this, and that's part
of my strategy. People tell me, don't do it. If
somebody comes onto our social media platforms and we have
between three and if we had everything on the way
four million folks, listen to me. If they say a lie,
an allegation, are just being stupid, we delete it. And
block them.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's troubling.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's very troubling.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
We're like, I hear you can't block us, you're blocking.
I'm like, well, you're dumber than abigo rocks believe in lies.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
This is my house I controlled.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
I wouldn't let anybody walk in my physical outs and
start lying on you can go on, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I have my own on my dog. Just scort them out.
I'm gonna tell you right now, as a person who
lives in the public space, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You gotta let those comments bake. It's gonna be a
big way. If he's somehow on at the end of
June is the prime Mary Winter, his social media life
is going to get way different real fast.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
I have never blocked anybody either in my social media.
I have people attack me daily for my you know,
for for being a border hawk on how I feel
about immigration. I'm willing to look if someone's lying or
I think someone's talking crab about me, I'm willing to
step up and actually talk to them about it and
say how I feel. It sounds so dictatorship to me.
(26:26):
It's not American values. To just I don't I don't
agree with what you're saying, so I'm just gonna block you.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You know, that doesn't it doesn't. That's not how we work.
It's not how we operate.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I can't believe that he got cheers for that, but whatever,
And I want to play this one too, and then
we'll go to break the allegations.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
All I can tell you is this, and that's part
of my strategy. People to it, don't do it if
somebody comes on to our social media.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Sorry, I hit the wrong one there. Let me get
to the right one. Uh sorry about that. Anyways, Uh oh,
here we go. So he's been talking about, you know,
is he gonna come on nine News? You know, is
Kyle Clark going a treating fair? What do you think
about this? This little content allegations.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
All I can tell you is this, and this part
of my stard.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I don't know why we keep playing the same one.
We'll come we'll get to it when we come back
from break breaking news. Though he did have Kyle Clark
down at his place today. He's planning on spending some
time with He's spent some time with Kyle Clark. I
don't know if that'll help him do the nine News
debate or hurt him from doing the nine News debate,
but it is a change in the process from I
think what we were all expecting.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Did did he do his demon summoning with Kyle Clark,
who knows he loves want to people to come down
there so we can show them all the fancy things
he's bought with the donations that people have given the
Finding Children, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, in a multimillion dollar compound. Anyways, we'll go to
break when we come back, we'll wrap up this this
last hour. John, thanks for being in the studio. You're
listening to the Dankplay Show here on six thirty k
How with Well Kenny Sheriff, Steve.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Verens and now back to the dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
We're going to make that right here in this last
segment and in studio with me, I have John Fabricatory
of We'll Say Ice Fame and many other adventures. And
we've been talking about the gubernatorial debate last night. I'll
just ask you real quick, who won.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Michael Brown. Yeah it is Michael.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
I think I think mister Brown had the most reactions
out of the crowd. But no, you know, for me,
there wasn't a clear convincing winner. I thought they both
had really bright spots. I thought they had some a
couple of miscues, but again, it was very important for
me to be there and watching, And I think more
(28:45):
people need to take part in this process when we're
going through the primary and watch these debates because this
is how you you know if you're not decided, if
you're an undecided voter like me. There there are definitely
people that are on the Kirkmeyer team, the bottom seem
Molpez team. But I am one of those voters who
I like Greig Lopez as a person. He was there
for me when I was running for Congress. He was
(29:06):
able to sit down with me. I like Barb Kirkmeyer.
I like Scott Bottoms. I don't know him as well
as the other two, so I really did want to
see how he debated. But for me, there wasn't a
clear convincing winner.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, maybe this will make a clear convincing winner for you. Again,
I know you're a big Mark supporter.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I'm gonna share with y'all, and y'all tell me if
this is important to y'all. Number one, I'm signing and
executive orders to freeze new regulations in Colorado, sanctuary policies,
and cooperate fully fully with immigration authorities for Colorado.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Every Republican governor should be right.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
But does the governor have that authorte.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Not in Ano. I think we'll keep that one.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I mean again, earlier in this thing he talked about
he doesn't make, you know, he doesn't make political promises. Well,
what about this one.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Next?
Speaker 5 (30:07):
We're gonna return to some fiscal sanity. My goodness, every
cabinet agency will find ten percent in cuts.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You can do that in sixty days.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
We're gonna eliminate blue and we're not gonna let them
rate our table refunds any longer.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I think that's a talking about absolutely farms, not a
lot for that.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
It's our money, not theirs.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Our money. Now, this one was particularly on point.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Medicaid reform. Medicaid is almost taking up half.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Of our budget.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I'm gonna audit the rules removing ineligible enrollies ineligible, and
we're gonna implement work requirements that program exist. It is
for the vulnerable, not able bodied adults who won't.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Work get some applies. So it's red meat.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I've heard the heart of home caregivers crying to me
saying they've cut our benefits.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I'm my child's full time caregiver.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
And there were candidates who promised they wouldn't cut them,
but they approved a budget of forty seven point some
billion dollars and they cut the benefits to people who
need it. I'm here to serve the people, not politicians
or lobbyists, and not waste their fraud.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
John, would any of those answers have flown with the
moderators last night?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
No, not at all.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
You know, those are all, like I said, those are
the you know, the big bang things that you throw out.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
To the media.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
It's what you know, it's it's what your Republican agenda
should be. But how are you going to legislate to
actually get that done? As a governor, you know, filing
eos when h the state has already passed laws to
you know, an in scope sanctuary policy. You know, you're
still going to have to deal with Democrats in control
of that House unless we win more House seats. You know,
(32:22):
it's it's just it's it's not gonna fly. And I
guarantee Victor didn't write any of that. He didn't know
any of that before. Someone's you know, sat down read
you know, so he's you know, yeah, he's definitely He's
definitely not who I'm voting for.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
So uh yeah, I'll figure out. I'll figure out who
I Am going to vote for. But it's definitely not
gonna be.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So you'll appreciate this, Uh great text coming in. John
Fabricatory is such a good voice of reason. I'm sure
you've heard that throughout your life.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Except from the left.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Say that that's that's some point in your favor. Another
one here, things haven't been the same in Colorado since
Ben night Horse Campbell left office. You know there's some
truth to that.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Ben was a good guy.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, Hey, here's a positive one for me. Can't
say enough about reams. I don't know if that's good
or bad, but this one is pretty good too. Mandy
McConnell may have a point. It may just be time
for the Republicans to completely implode and rebuild. And I'm
going to tell you, if we don't get the right
candidate pushing forward in this general election, this will be
(33:30):
the employe.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
We you know, maybe we do need to hit rock
bottom and rebuild this all up and figure out we
need to figure out what our platform is as Republicans
in this state, we need to have a written set,
a written, real.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Platform on one on how we.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
As Republicans as conservatives, fiscal conservatives, constitutional conservatives, how however
you are, how what we are going to agree our
platform as Republicans are isn't a.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
State Victor's got ten items at least the start. What
I'm hearing John is, maybe, you know, maybe if this
doesn't work out for Republican candidates in this cycle, maybe
it's John Fabricatory for governor in the next cycle.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
John Fabergatory will stay involved, but John Fabergatory also wants
to hunt and fish in retirement and.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You know, enjoy enjoy those things.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, Hey, I can't thank you enough for being in
the studio. It's been great to have you here. Thanks
for your input, and hopefully I'll see it at the
nine news debate. I don't know if you have a
ticket to it, but maybe I can help me out,
can help me all right. Thanks for all the listeners
out there, thanks for tuning in and sticking with us,
and thanks for your text and phone calls. It's a
pleasure to be here. I am done covering for Dan
until he gets back from vacation, so we'll see who's next.
(34:42):
Thanks again for listening. Steve Reams Welkinny Sheriff as your
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Veram setting in as your guest host. And you know
it's been a great day. I had Dick Quadums on
in the first hour, kind of talking about the debate
last night down at Well, the goodnatorial debate that Scott
Bottoms and Bart Kokmeyer engaged in and Victor Marx did not.
And in this next hour we're going to have John
Fabricatory with us, which doesn't need much of an introduction,
(00:36):
but when we bring him on, we'll have him give
his background a little bit for those of you who
may not have heard heard of him. But in the meantime,
I definitely want to encourage you guys to to text
in five seven, seven, three nine, start your text out
with Dan so that it comes straight to me, and
you guys are definitely doing that. You can also call
in three three eight one, three seven two five five,
(00:56):
and I want to get right to one of our
callers we have from Elizabeth Online Jill. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Hi, Jeff, I'm good.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm great? Thanks for calling in. And it's in the
notes here it says that you have some comments about Bottoms,
kirk Meyer, Marx, and Lopez. So you're one of those
research to people.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Totally okay, what do you got?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I want you to know it's a pleasure to talk
to you. Thank you, and I wish you were running
for governor. But I'm gonna tell you well, County's gonna
need you big time.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'm happy to stay there.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
The commissioner run wasn't something I had in my sights,
but I think it'll be good when it's all said
and done, even though I'm definitely campaigning for a pay cup.
But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Well, it's not always about the money, you're You're right. Uh,
you know, here's the thing I think we need to
no matter what, I just I don't care about Victim Marx.
You know, he's if you If people don't understand what
he is or put it this way, what he isn't
(02:01):
by now, that's not going to change. And I really
am tired of the auctioning about him like he's I
don't know, like making him important.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, let me ask you, do you think he's relevant?
Do you even think he's relevant in this race? Okay,
that's fair.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well yeah, oh no, I think he's relevant in the
race because he's got the money. Okay, not because of
anything else. No, nothing, nothing to do with his politics anything.
I mean, you know, good for him, he says he
loves God. I'm good with that part. But the rest
of him, no, just the money.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
So where do you go from there?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Who's your next relevant?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay? Yeah, the money is important, gets your name recognition.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, exactly. And he's you know, he's known everywhere everywhere
if you if you look at all of his comments
and stuff that after he posts something, you know, there's
so many people that are I'm from here that are
just like, yeah, go bitter.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, he has a following for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
So anyway, I I just feel like we make too
big of a deal out of him, because no matter
what's going to happen with him, it's going to happen
as far as like last night with the debate, And
I know Michael Brown can be intense, but that's you know,
I'm going to tell you, to be honest, I've been
(03:19):
listening to this man since Katrina and I love him.
I mean, I really really loved the way his brain works,
and I understand him very well, and I know how
smart he is. And that thing that Bottom said about
making every performance should be able to, you know, get
oil off their property, and he has no clue how
(03:40):
to make that work. And everybody thought that was just
like two of you of a comment, Well, it's important
because you can't put out fake, fake dreams to people
like that.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
You can't do that.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You've got to have some level of understanding of what
you're talking about and promising and saying, oh, I think
everybody should make the fortune on their oil, you know.
And then and then the fact that nobody said no
one said, well, I would get rid of the transportation person,
which we really need to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I thought that was low hanging fruit. When when
I don't remember who asked that question, I think it
was Vance had asked the question about what would you
do with with the Department of Transportation. Yeah, I thought
the easy answer was, well, start with firing the director
of the Department of Transportation. That didn't get said by either,
and maybe it was just implied that that's automatically what
they would do, but saying it out loud would definitely
(04:34):
be impactful.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, you're right that.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I would have heard it.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
That was a missed opportunity. So what did you think
of kirk Meyer's performance last night?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
There's I can't get behind her. I just can't. I
wanted to, I really did. I know, I know she
tried very hard to try to play nice with with
the bad guys. You know, I know she does, and
(05:05):
and of course she should, you know, we we need
that in in a lot of ways. But I don't.
I just don't like that she's been around as long
as she has and this is where we still are,
and so that and so there's that, and so then
there's there's a great glowpez I didn't vote for him
the first time. But he's making the rounds and he's
(05:29):
going and he's you know, he's saying and he's and
he's definitely definitely walking the line right, he's walking the fence.
And but the thing is, I don't feel any of
these people are strong enough to be our governor. But
I don't care how loud you want to talk or whatever,
like Markin says, you know, he sounds big and strong,
(05:51):
but in real life he doesn't have any regular knowledge
and then got bottoms. I just feel it's kind of
I wish you washing Bard to me is depending too
much on the fact that she's been here so long.
Sure well, quit telling people that. I mean, I mean,
I don't think that makes you look at and Victor Mark,
(06:13):
I mean Greg Lopez. You know why I like him?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Why who?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Because who he's running with? He is a firecracker and
a pistol and that would be the reason why I
would vote for him.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
All right, So what I'm taking from this conversation one
you kind of was a little bit of a downer.
But two, if it gets to the point where any
of these folks are the Republican nominee, it sounds like
you're leaning towards Lopez and the unaffiliated field, which, by
the way, is still not an easy, easy haul. He's
got to, I think, pull a thousand signatures or fifteen
hundred signatures in each congressional district, which sounds easy, but
(06:50):
I always tell people the first hundred are easy. Everything
after that becomes very difficult, and trying to do that
through a volunteer efforts tough. So he still has to
make the ballot before he's technically a candidate, and I
think that's not a given at this point. I'll just
put it that way.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Now, you're right, You're right, it's not. But the more
he lets her speak, the better, the happier, and better
I get on endorsing him.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Okay, Well, Jill, I appreciate you calling in, and I
appreciate you giving an honest opinion on all four candidates
that have been actual well three of the four that
have been engaged in the political process, and again, thanks
for calling in. I think what we'll do now is
cut to a little quick break so that we come
back we can get right to our special guest, John Fabricatory,
who's in studio with us, looking tough and mean and
(07:40):
ready to roll. So I don't want to keep him
holding any longer than I have to, So we'll go
to break here on six point thirty. K how you're
listening to the Dan Capless Show with well Kenny Sheriff
Steve Raams as your guest host.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well Kenny Sheriff Steve Raams is your guest host, and
you know Ryan, you always have the best bumper music
for certain guests. And leading to that, we have John
Fabricatory in the studio and John, I think we met
probably gosh what it feels like a while back, because
when you were overseeing ice for Colorado and Wyoming, you
had just taken on that role and we were trying
to figure out how to navigate the waters that were
(08:19):
that was, you know, how do we transfer inmates from
local jails to your custody in the wake of all
the sanctuary bills in Colorado, And it was it was tough.
It was tough trying to figure out how to navigate
those waters, and you were working in under an administration
that quite frankly sucked at the time. So I'll start
out with that, John, what have you been doing for
(08:40):
the last year or so under the Trump administration?
Speaker 7 (08:44):
Well, you know, I retired in twenty twenty two, and
then after I lost my bid for Congress, the Trump
administration contacted me and asked me if I wanted to
take a job as a senior advisor over at Health
and Human Services for Robert F.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Kennedy Junior.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
And it was basic with so my portfolio was OARR
the Office of refugee settlement, so I settled into that role.
I had more in my portfolio that dealt with a
lot of immigration stuff that happens within AHHS, some of
the fraud that that they're dealing with, uh, you know,
benefit fraud, medicaid, medicare snap, you know, dealing with a
(09:19):
birthright citizenship.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
I sat down on on on the on the team
for that.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
And writing some of that, which should be coming up
before the Supreme Court here.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
In a couple of days.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, So, you know, it was a really great experience.
Robert F. Kennedy Junior was a really really cool guy
to work for.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
So different for me than being with DHS kind of
being inn at alpha environment where everyone's bumping heads all
the time, arguing Yeah, I mean, that's just how that
environment is.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
It's you know, it has a bunch of guys like that,
law enforcement guys.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
But but HHS was very different, very analytical, very scientific,
a lot of doctors there, and and RF case just
such a really bright guy and really inquisitive about a
lot of things that I was bringing to the table
about immigration. So it was very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And I know you've talked about, you know, trying to
locate kids that you know, the term gets gets used
as lost, and I think we were struggling how to
define that off air, But you were talking about as
many as one hundred and forty five thousand kids that
needed to be located in the interior US. And that
number sticks with me because there's a particular governor's candidate
that talks about rescuing forty five thousand kids. What was
(10:22):
that work like or what was that what was the
space that you were operating in for that?
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Well, yeah, under Biden, Biden allowed in close to five
hundred thousand WIWYEH unaccompanied half a million unaccompanied alien children.
So these were children under eighteen years old, from from
you know, newborns to seventeen before they turn eighteen.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
But what you know, they're supposed to be vetted.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
They're supposed to go to two sponsors that are highly
vetted with background checks and you know, looking into their
financials and everything else.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
But they didn't do that under the Biden administration, and
there was a lot of fraud and a lot of these.
Speaker 7 (10:59):
UACs the COMPANYDA only children were let in and then disappeared.
So we didn't have good addresses for them, We didn't
really know who their sponsors were because they were so
lightly vetted the sponsors where we're using fraud and sending
in fraudulent documents, and under the Biden administration, they weren't
even double checking it. So we were able to locate
out of that nearly five one hundred and forty five
(11:19):
thousand of them that we were able to find, we
found forty eight kids deceased. Out of those one forty five.
We found a lot of kids that were, you know,
in really really rough situations, living in drug houses. We
found kids that have been sexually trafficked, labor trafficked. In fact,
the New York Times did a huge story on the
labor trafficking that was occurring, you know, So there were
(11:41):
a lot of kids in it, and of course there
were there were some that we found, uh you know
that we're we're living with sponsors in decent situations and
we allowed them to continue in that situation, go through
immigration court and go through the process. And we're following
them much more closely now under this administration, so we
know where they are at all times, we know that
they're going to court and we and we can deal
(12:03):
with those.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Before this, we did not know.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
It was just unknown. So the implied thing is there's
still about three hundred and fifty five thousand out there
that are that are still being searched for. That mission
continues even without you necessarily being in that role. The
team continues that that effort.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, absolutely, So, you know, there was a war room
that we.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Put together with multiple agencies, FBI, HSI, E, RO, O, I, IRS,
you know, just a bunch of different agencies, Treasury, War Department,
you name it, and they've all been looking for those kids.
But out of that number that you just said, one
of the other unique things that happened under Biden. You
know when we say that these kids were missing, and
(12:43):
people key in on kids. You know, when you say kids,
what age do you normally?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Sure you're thinking like eight nineteen years old exactly. Some
of these kids are seventeen almost exactly.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
So eighty percent we're over fourteen years old. Mail that
came across the board.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Twenty in twenty two, so you're looking at kids that
have turned eighteen and aged out, and they've.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Aged out exactly.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
So we so through our analysis of the numbers and
who we were looking for, we've determined that about three
hundred thousand have aged out, that's right.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
So those were still looking for them because we want
to know where they are.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
And they disappeared into the US and ICE was arrested
about eighteen thousand of them for crime, so that they
found them.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You know, these figure these crews that are out there
robbing malls and you know, doing some of these things.
Speaker 7 (13:29):
So ICE is encountering them or actually local departments like
your sheriff's department might encounter them out now as a
twenty year old, twenty one year old. Take their fingerprints,
because everyone over fourteen years old was fingerprinted at the border.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Under fourteen, they were not.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
So if they were over fourteen and fingerprinted, when you
arrest them and in your sheriff's department, you'll get a
hit off the you know that that they were you know,
encountered by the Border Patrol. That would go through interoperability
back to ICE, who would then send it over to
US at HHS because we were in charge of the UACs.
We'd look up that we find that they were a
UAC that we were looking for. ICE would then deal
(14:03):
with that case so they would count as one of
the ones that we found.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
You found them, they were in your jail. But we're
going to count that stat for us.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Makes total sense. Well, shifting gears a little bit. I
contacted you a while back when we started talking about
some particular governor's candidate. We talked just the other night.
I wanted to make sure you got a chance to
come to the debate. Yeah, thank you helped facilitate getting
you a ticket, but you know we didn't have all
three candidates on the stage. You were in attendance in person.
(14:31):
I don't know if you've got to see any any
of the other governor's debates in person. Isn't okay? Now,
so this is this is a free first pass here
and a lot of people will go, well, why is
this guy making political commentary? Because you know, you roll
in federal government for a long time. Politics matters. You've
seen it on the front line. You know what it
means locally. And plus you ran for a congressional seat.
(14:51):
You've been in the fire and I really wanted to
get your opinion. Now. I don't know where you stand
on Scott Bottoms or on Senator Barb Kirkmeyer. I know
that you're a big fan of Victor Marx.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
No, no, how shocking come on.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I mean, you and I have had a few text
message exchanges that would leave me to believe you might
be a big fan.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
And you know that.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Yeah, you and I have shared information back and forth.
You know, both of us as law enforcement officers looking
at some of the stuff that he said. And that's
what started to key off the both of us. You know,
we're just looking at things that he said that he said,
you know, law enforcement's done or used him to do,
and we're like, that does not happen.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well to that point, we have a text that came
in that says I'm a cop of twenty three years
and it's easy to see that the inconsistencies in victor
stories are hard to follow, especially when it comes to
him talking about interactions with police. We just don't operate
in that manner, In the manner that he speaks, same
thing you and I talked about. This just doesn't jive.
And I think the best way of kind of highlighting
(15:55):
who Victor Marx is before we really dive into this
conversation is with this clip.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
This makes me chuckle.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
When people say Victor Marx is afraid to debate. I
think the Denver Gazette newsletter. I don't know what they're called. Yeah, yeah,
that The reality is I don't need a debate.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I'm winning.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I'm actually winning. I don't know by what metric he
chucks that up to. But John, you got to watch
two candidates on stage last night that went at it.
They went at it with the moderators. What's your take
is Victor marks winning?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
No?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
You know?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
And and the thing is he discounts a large part
of the population by saying that you know and you know,
and you know he got scared because you know, Michael
Brown sent them a letter and it kind of.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Scared him off.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
But I watched last night as Michael Brown went after
Scott Bottoms, and what it proved to me was that Scott.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Bottoms could take the heat.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I mean he didn't yell back at at at at
Michael Brown. He was very, very calm, and Michael Brown
was going after him on some stuff on water rights
and oil. And that's where Victor should have been like
for him to say that that Brown was going after him.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
That's what we want to see.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
We want to see people come after you and how
you handle that situation.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
You couldn't do it he couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, I agree, because you know, if you think Michael
Brown's tough, when you have a pool of media standing
in front of you asking questions in a really tough environment,
they're not just they're not going to back down.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
They're going to I have had that our careers.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, I said earlier in the show. I'd love
to debate this guy because I've been in the fire,
I've dealt with those issues, and I just I don't
I mean, I want to see it, but so far,
I don't know that we're going to get that opportunity.
He's supposed to debate with nine News. I think next
Tuesday or somewhere in there. Time will tell we're going
to go to this break. When we come back, we'll
actually get into the questions that we're in the debate
(17:46):
last night. So hold your water. We'll talk about Barb
and Scott's answers, we'll see which ones you liked, which
ones you didn't, and we'll ask you who you thought
the winner was. But you're listening to the Dan Caplis
Show here on six point thirty K, how well can
you shriff? Steve Riams as your guest host, and we'll
be right back.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast and is.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Out on vacation. And as we went to break, we
were talking about John Fabricatory and kind of slicing and
Dyson a little bit of the candidates that are in
this Republican gubernatorial race. And you were at the debate
last night. John, I want to get right into Scott
Bottoms and Barb Kirkmeyer because we haven't got a chance
to really talk about them too much just yet. What
did you think? What was your overall impression of how
(18:40):
those two performed.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Yeah, you know, I, first of all, I thought the
debate was held very well. I thought the questions were
relevant to our state.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
I would have of course me loved an immigration question.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
We didn't get around to that, you know, But overall,
I thought the questions were well thought out, and I
thought both candidates did a good job of answering those questions.
You know, I feel that Barb Kirkmeier is just so polished.
I mean she you know, she really is. I believe
she's a great you know, and understanding how our state
(19:14):
runs and policy. And you know, for me, Bottoms, you know,
I'm I'm a very small government guy. I want to
get rid of taxes, so so Bottoms when he talks
about that stuff, you know, it kind of draws me in,
you know, so so it was, you know, I liked
listening to both of them, and I think that's why
these debates are important, because I'm looking at two candidates
who there are pieces of each candidate that I really
(19:36):
really like, and there are some things about them that
I don't like. So that's where it's relevant to be
there at this debate so you can determine who am
I going to vote for.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I couldn't agree more. And I don't think you get
that from following someone on social media because they're they're
answering the things that they think highlight them the right
and you know, to that point, we've talked about Victor
Marx a lot, but every candidate's going to do that.
They're not going to tell you, Hey, this is the
thing I struggle with the most. But when you're in
lifetime and a question gets asked and even when they're
having you know, just a hard time hearing the question
sometimes and they're having to struggle through it, it tells you, yes,
(20:08):
you know, how do you work through a difficult situation,
and you know, there was some reverberation from the microphones
of the moderators, and while that's not a plan thing,
it does add additional stress. It shows me how they
interact with it. And you and I were talking off air.
I thought one of the things that Scott Bottoms struggled
with but also walked away from pretty well was when
he and he and Michael Brown had the exchange over
(20:31):
water rights and mineral rights. You know, he Scott didn't
he didn't lose his cool. You know, he stayed on point,
and he made a comment when he walked away. We
were talking about that a little bit, but you were
talking about that exchange as well.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah, for me, it was really important to see that
because I don't really know Scott Bottoms that well.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I've watched Kirkmeyer more over.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
The years, and I was just impressed me in that
moment that he kept his composure, he kept his cool,
He was on point to the message that he wanted
to deliver.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Even if it wasn't necessarily right on point.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
You stand on point and he has that belief and I,
you know, as someone who owns water rights, I appreciated
him trying to fight to that point, and you know,
he got attacked on it because he, you know, maybe
what was off on some points. And Michael Brown was
going to make sure you said that, but it was
important to see that in live time, just like you said.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, And I thought the interesting comment he made, I
say walking away was if you just keep listening, you'll
understand where I'm coming from. So he's not afraid to
stay in the arena. And and you got to give
the guy credit for that.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know, I talked with with Dick Wadums a little
bit in that earlier hour. I thought one area they
both probably could have improved on. Well one, because you
have ninety seconds doesn't mean you have to use all
ninety seconds. But the question about the roads and what
would you do to see dot? Neither one of them
instantly said remove the director, fire them. I mean, I
(21:58):
think it was implied, but man, you can't have anything
implied there. And I was like, come on, swinging a miss.
Was there anything that you heard from the candidates where
you're like, you know, I would have loved to heard
a stronger answer there. I know you were taking notes, just.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
Like, yeah, you know, so I've got some notes written
down here. And you know, like I said, I thought
that they bolt did really well. They they tried to
stay on track with their with their message, which is
you know, political polishing, right. I mean, you know, as
a politician, you have to understand not to get all,
you know, off of your your message. You know, they
had talked about some some housing and how they would
(22:31):
deal uh, you know, with the housing issues. I thought
that they could have been a little bit more more
robust about that.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Definitely. You know, roads are a huge problem to everyone
here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
It's to that point Scott Bottom's minimized that he said,
I don't think people care about roads. Yeah, I thought
that was a miss.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
That was a misstep.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
He said that, and then he gave a plan on
what he would do. He didn't talk about firing, you know,
the Sea Dot director. But I think.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
Everyone cares about roads in Colorado, cares about the road
of I need an alignment on my truck right now.
I mean, I'm bringing it in this week just because
of all the potholes on Costly hyah.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah. You know again, I think another issue I thought
they were both pretty good on was the parntal rights issue.
Scott Bottoms obviously lives in that space. He's very you know,
he talks about pedophilia and all that, but I think
that that's his wheelhouse, right, He's he's a minister. He
likes the family unit. I thought Barb was very strategic
in the way she talked about parental rights and talked
(23:33):
about the bills she's fought, but Scott seemed to be
a have a more of an emotional connection in that
particular area. And I think that's an important area for
Colorado voters as well.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Yeah, you know, a lot of people do care about
those issues, the intimate issues. They do care about abortion,
they do care about family planning, you know, the whole
trans rights agenda. They do want to know what's going
to be done about that. And you know, when you're
running for office, you need to be able to talk
about all those succinctly and be able to say what
(24:03):
you're going to do with actual legislation to affect those things.
You know, you can have the these the these glitzy
you know little uh you know, uh, you know, paragraphs
written up dad that you know you can throw out
when a reporter asks you something that's not what I
want to hear.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
I mean, yeah, those are those are.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Good that to show that you can put something together.
But we we're talking about legislation, like what can you
actually do that is going to affect my life that
you can get signed into law and can you know
change Colorado?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, I think, uh, you know where the rubber meets
the road. And to that point, both of the both
Bottoms and kirk Meyer, they're elected officials. They have a
public facing persona. You know, they're getting attacked by the
people who aren't necessarily their supporters, and this is where
they have a little bit of a disadvantage over someone
like Victor Marx. I'm gonna play this clip for you
because Marx is handling his social media in a completely
(24:54):
different way. He's he's very much a fundraiser on it.
But this, this clip says it all to me.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Litigations.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
All I can tell you is this, and that's part
of my strategy. People tell me, don't do it. If
somebody comes onto our social media platforms and we have
between three and if we had everything on the way
four million folks, listen to me. If they say a lie,
an allegation, are just being stupid, we delete it. And
block them.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
That's troubling.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's very troubling.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
We're like, I hear you can't block us, you're blocking.
I'm like, well, you're dumber than abigo rocks believe in lies.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
This is my house I controlled.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
I wouldn't let anybody walk in my physical outs and
start lying on you can go on, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I have my own on my dog. Just scort them out.
I'm gonna tell you right now, as a person who
lives in the public space, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You gotta let those comments bake. It's gonna be a
big way. If he's somehow on at the end of
June is the prime Mary Winter, his social media life
is going to get way different real fast.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
I have never blocked anybody either in my social media.
I have people attack me daily for my you know,
for for being a border hawk on how I feel
about immigration. I'm willing to look if someone's lying or
I think someone's talking crab about me, I'm willing to
step up and actually talk to them about it and
say how I feel. It sounds so dictatorship to me.
(26:26):
It's not American values. To just I don't I don't
agree with what you're saying, so I'm just gonna block you.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You know, that doesn't it doesn't. That's not how we work.
It's not how we operate.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I can't believe that he got cheers for that, but whatever,
And I want to play this one too, and then
we'll go to break the allegations.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
All I can tell you is this, and that's part
of my strategy. People to it, don't do it if
somebody comes on to our social media.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Sorry, I hit the wrong one there. Let me get
to the right one. Uh sorry about that. Anyways, Uh oh,
here we go. So he's been talking about, you know,
is he gonna come on nine News? You know, is
Kyle Clark going a treating fair? What do you think
about this? This little content allegations.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
All I can tell you is this, and this part
of my stard.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I don't know why we keep playing the same one.
We'll come we'll get to it when we come back
from break breaking news. Though he did have Kyle Clark
down at his place today. He's planning on spending some
time with He's spent some time with Kyle Clark. I
don't know if that'll help him do the nine News
debate or hurt him from doing the nine News debate,
but it is a change in the process from I
think what we were all expecting.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
Did did he do his demon summoning with Kyle Clark,
who knows he loves want to people to come down
there so we can show them all the fancy things
he's bought with the donations that people have given the
Finding Children, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, in a multimillion dollar compound. Anyways, we'll go to
break when we come back, we'll wrap up this this
last hour. John, thanks for being in the studio. You're
listening to the Dankplay Show here on six thirty k
How with Well Kenny Sheriff, Steve.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Verens and now back to the dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
We're going to make that right here in this last
segment and in studio with me, I have John Fabricatory
of We'll Say Ice Fame and many other adventures. And
we've been talking about the gubernatorial debate last night. I'll
just ask you real quick, who won.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Michael Brown. Yeah it is Michael.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
I think I think mister Brown had the most reactions
out of the crowd. But no, you know, for me,
there wasn't a clear convincing winner. I thought they both
had really bright spots. I thought they had some a
couple of miscues, but again, it was very important for
me to be there and watching, And I think more
(28:45):
people need to take part in this process when we're
going through the primary and watch these debates because this
is how you you know if you're not decided, if
you're an undecided voter like me. There there are definitely
people that are on the Kirkmeyer team, the bottom seem
Molpez team. But I am one of those voters who
I like Greig Lopez as a person. He was there
for me when I was running for Congress. He was
(29:06):
able to sit down with me. I like Barb Kirkmeyer.
I like Scott Bottoms. I don't know him as well
as the other two, so I really did want to
see how he debated. But for me, there wasn't a
clear convincing winner.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Well, maybe this will make a clear convincing winner for you. Again,
I know you're a big Mark supporter.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
I'm gonna share with y'all, and y'all tell me if
this is important to y'all. Number one, I'm signing and
executive orders to freeze new regulations in Colorado, sanctuary policies,
and cooperate fully fully with immigration authorities for Colorado.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
Every Republican governor should be right.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
But does the governor have that authorte.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Not in Ano. I think we'll keep that one.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I mean again, earlier in this thing he talked about
he doesn't make, you know, he doesn't make political promises. Well,
what about this one.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Next?
Speaker 5 (30:07):
We're gonna return to some fiscal sanity. My goodness, every
cabinet agency will find ten percent in cuts.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You can do that in sixty days.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
We're gonna eliminate blue and we're not gonna let them
rate our table refunds any longer.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
I think that's a talking about absolutely farms, not a
lot for that.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
It's our money, not theirs.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Our money. Now, this one was particularly on point.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Medicaid reform. Medicaid is almost taking up half.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Of our budget.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
I'm gonna audit the rules removing ineligible enrollies ineligible, and
we're gonna implement work requirements that program exist. It is
for the vulnerable, not able bodied adults who won't.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Work get some applies. So it's red meat.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I've heard the heart of home caregivers crying to me
saying they've cut our benefits.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I'm my child's full time caregiver.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
And there were candidates who promised they wouldn't cut them,
but they approved a budget of forty seven point some
billion dollars and they cut the benefits to people who
need it. I'm here to serve the people, not politicians
or lobbyists, and not waste their fraud.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
John, would any of those answers have flown with the
moderators last night?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
No, not at all.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
You know, those are all, like I said, those are
the you know, the big bang things that you throw out.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
To the media.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
It's what you know, it's it's what your Republican agenda
should be. But how are you going to legislate to
actually get that done? As a governor, you know, filing
eos when h the state has already passed laws to
you know, an in scope sanctuary policy. You know, you're
still going to have to deal with Democrats in control
of that House unless we win more House seats. You know,
(32:22):
it's it's just it's it's not gonna fly. And I
guarantee Victor didn't write any of that. He didn't know
any of that before. Someone's you know, sat down read
you know, so he's you know, yeah, he's definitely He's
definitely not who I'm voting for.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
So uh yeah, I'll figure out. I'll figure out who
I Am going to vote for. But it's definitely not
gonna be.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So you'll appreciate this, Uh great text coming in. John
Fabricatory is such a good voice of reason. I'm sure
you've heard that throughout your life.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Except from the left.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Say that that's that's some point in your favor. Another
one here, things haven't been the same in Colorado since
Ben night Horse Campbell left office. You know there's some
truth to that.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Ben was a good guy.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, Hey, here's a positive one for me. Can't
say enough about reams. I don't know if that's good
or bad, but this one is pretty good too. Mandy
McConnell may have a point. It may just be time
for the Republicans to completely implode and rebuild. And I'm
going to tell you, if we don't get the right
candidate pushing forward in this general election, this will be
(33:30):
the employe.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
We you know, maybe we do need to hit rock
bottom and rebuild this all up and figure out we
need to figure out what our platform is as Republicans
in this state, we need to have a written set,
a written, real.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Platform on one on how we.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
As Republicans as conservatives, fiscal conservatives, constitutional conservatives, how however
you are, how what we are going to agree our
platform as Republicans are isn't a.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
State Victor's got ten items at least the start. What
I'm hearing John is, maybe, you know, maybe if this
doesn't work out for Republican candidates in this cycle, maybe
it's John Fabricatory for governor in the next cycle.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
John Fabergatory will stay involved, but John Fabergatory also wants
to hunt and fish in retirement and.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You know, enjoy enjoy those things.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Well, Hey, I can't thank you enough for being in
the studio. It's been great to have you here. Thanks
for your input, and hopefully I'll see it at the
nine news debate. I don't know if you have a
ticket to it, but maybe I can help me out,
can help me all right. Thanks for all the listeners
out there, thanks for tuning in and sticking with us,
and thanks for your text and phone calls. It's a
pleasure to be here. I am done covering for Dan
until he gets back from vacation, so we'll see who's next.
(34:42):
Thanks again for listening. Steve Reams Welkinny Sheriff as your
guest host.
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Betrayal Weekly is back for a new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. If you would like to share your story, you can reach out to the Betrayal Team by emailing them at betrayalpod@gmail.com and follow us on Instagram at @betrayalpod and @glasspodcasts. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations, and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience, and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack.