March 20, 2025 • 33 mins
In the first hour of today's edition of The Dan Caplis Show, Kristi Burton Brown fills in and discusses a recent poll that tells us a lot about the future of the Republican Party. She also talks with Nancy Rumfelt about the latest public school scandal in Colorado.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Today, I saw this duphole that Senator Mike Lee posted,
and it's it's somewhat interesting because when you look at
numbers of which voting demographics tend to go liberal tend
to go conservative, it usually matches up that people who've
gone to college and have college degrees tend to vote
democrat or a liberal. It is a problem I would
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say that we've had for a long time now. Plenty
of people don't fit that demographic. I have a college degree,
and I'm young, and I'm a woman, a woman, and
I'm not a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So certainly there's people who don't fit in that box.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
But this poll was really interesting because it was showing
let's see, it only polls. Well, and maybe this is
just the only part that Mike Lee posted, but it
was only showing white men, white women with a college
degree and without a college degree, okay, And it was
showing the difference in their opinions of Donald Trump, J. Dvance,
Elon Musk Doge, the Republican Party, Zelenski Dei, and the
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Democratic Party. Kind of this very interesting section of things
it was asking voters their opinion on. But here is
the thing that I particularly thought was interesting. When you
look at white men with a college degree, they do
not like the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. But
the Democratic Party has fallen quite a lot with this demographic.
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So the Republican Party is minus eleven, so basically like
underwater by eleven points in white men with college degrees opinions,
but the Democratic Party underwater by thirty eight points minus
thirty eight. This is fairly incredible when you look at
election polls that usually show white men with college degrees
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often will vote more on the Democrat side, but not
at all in this specific opinion poll. Now, women with
college degrees very very different story. Democrat Party still underwater
though by four points. That Republican Party underwater by thirty
five points. With that demographic, which certainly matches up with
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what normally happens. White women with college degrees tend to
not like the Republican Party at all. But what is
also fairly interesting to me is that going back to
white men with college degrees, they were plus one on
Donald Trump, even though they were minus eleven with the
Republican Party. So they particularly apparently maybe changing their opinion
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of Republicans conservatives through the lens of Donald Trump. That's
very interesting, showing the trajectory perhaps of what may or
may not happen over the coming years. I have talked
before about how I think the Republican Party is going
to need to figure out what to do when Donald
Trump is no longer the head of the party, no
longer the president, and we are of course talking years
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down the road, but he's been such a pivotal figurehead
in the party. Is some demographics moving towards the party
because of him, some demographics moving away from the party
because of him, but more moving towards the party than
against it.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
But still the.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Party's going to have to figure out exactly what to
do because despite a lot of politicians' opinion that they
can be the next Donald Trump, no one really is
going to be able to fit that bill.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He is a unique individual.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But anyway, poll again cited by Senator Mike Lee on
Twitter today just showing the difference of opinion among different
groups of people on this broad swath of issues. Elon
Musk also kind of funny getting a plus thirty three
from white men with no degree and then a minus
forty on the opposite end from white women with a
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college degree. So it's a giant, giant difference. You also
see the Republican Party itself being a plus twenty five
with white men who have no college degree and a
min thirty five with white women with a college degree.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So those, of course, are.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
The two groups with the most difference, is white men
with no college degree and white women with a college degree,
So that difference has not changed in a long time.
I think a lot of it, though, points to what's.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Going on in our institutions of higher education.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
If you look at all races who have college degrees
versus all races who dumped, you see a giant difference
push toward the liberal side from practically every group that
had a college degree. Like, what does that tell you
about what colleges are most likely teaching and pushing people towards.
I really don't think that is a surprise, and everyone
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knows that. What I find to be interesting is the
potential movement among white men with college degrees more against
the Democratic Party. Now, we see that the Democratic Party,
according to a lot of analysts, experts, even their own politicians,
saying that they really have no idea what to do
right now with Trump and what he's doing. You see
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them trying out a whole lot of types of messaging
to see what might stick.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
But last time I was hosting the show.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Probably about a week and a half ago, I was
talking about how not only do they have a messaging
problem right now, they really don't know how to combat Trump.
We saw that illustrated in the Joint Congressional Address when
they objected to absolutely everything that Donald Trump talked about,
even those eighty twenty issues that the majority of people
want to support, like kicking violent criminals who are illegally
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in our country out of our country, for example. But
I think you also see the Democrats having a policy problem.
They don't know what to contrast Trump's policies with. Because
usually if you're going to say, oh, you know, terrible policy,
we don't want to do this in the US, you
need to have a contrasting policy that gives a different option,
a different opinion. More hope to people, and they just
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haven't haven't settled on it yet, and I'm okay with that.
I think probably a lot of our listeners are okay
with that. But we'll see if they ever find a
way to get it together. Not yet is the answer,
and their numbers are therefore dropping among demographic groups where
they typically enjoy a lot of support, and again even
white women with college degrees, that Democrat Party was underwater
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by four points, which is unusual for them, usually very
very popular among that demographic.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
If you have thoughts on why.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
This is going on or anything else, you can call
in eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
I'm Christy Burton Brown in for Dan Kaplis today a
number of topics to cover. We're going to have several
interviews from some pretty interesting people. All three of them
are elected officials here in Colorado, but on very different levels.
The first one I'm going to bring on about ten
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minutes from now, actually is going to be Nancy Rumfeldt.
She is a member of the school board up in
Larimer County.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
She'll let us know what's going on there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
She's actually gotten a lot of media attention for wearing
a shirt that says real women rock. You might think this,
what could be the problem with that state? Well, think
about what the LGBTQ lobby might think of a statement
like that when they are focused on transgender boys playing
in girls sports. She can fill you in on exactly
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what's going on, but the other members of her school
board are trying to punish her from for exercising her
freedom of speech to give her opinion on women and
what a real woman is. So we'll bring her onto
the show. She can update us about what's going on.
And I think here's the important point in why I
wanted to actually bring her on the show. She's going
to talk about what parents need to look for in
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their school districts across the state. This is not an
insular issue that's just going on in her district. There's
some information that might surprise parents and notify them about
what they need to watch for, where they can speak out,
and what they can change in their own districts. Because
Colorado is actually in a pretty bad spot right now
with CHASSA, the sports organization in the state, telling the
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school districts that they need to allow transgender athletes to
compete in the sport of their choice, and yet that
is absolutely contrary to the Title nine direction coming from
the federal government saying that school districts in fact don't
have to do that and can allow just biological girls
and girls sports and biological boys in boy sports. So
Nancy will fill us in on some more details with
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that later on. We're also going to have this will
actually be in the next hour. Representative Jarvis Caldwell, who's
been sponsoring a lot of the law enforcement criminal justice bills,
the ones that actually crack down on crime and help victims,
and they've been killed by the legislature up to now.
What I really want him to talk about is a
bill that was heard last night until one point thirty
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in the House Judiciary Committee. This is a bill sponsored
by Democrats, and by the way, they laid it over
so there hasn't actually been a vote on it yet.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
They're going to vote on it later.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But they would actually eliminate the one of the crimes
classified under attempted first degree murder, reclassify it, and let
people off in one to four years for attempting murder.
I know one of the people who testify last night
or maybe in the early morning ours was a survivor
of the Club Q shooting, who obviously had attempted first
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degree murder committed against him, and yet the Democrats in
this committee we're seeking to lessen that crime. So those
are some things you have to look forward to on
the show today. I'm going to take a break. You
can call in over the break eight five five four
zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's or things you should watch out and make sure
you speak up about. In that context, I'm going to
bring in Nancy Rumfeldt to the Dan Kapola Show. She
is on a school board up north. I'm gonna let
her tell you about it. And like I said before
the break, she has gotten in trouble with the other
people on the board for wearing a shirt that I
think we would all agree with. It says real Women Rock.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Nancy. Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Thank you Christy for having me on. I'm still I'm
still trying to understand all of the uproar and the
emails that have been flooding in since I wore a
shirt at the February meeting up here in the Thompson
School District, which is like the Loveland birthed area.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yes, and it just it.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Really seems to center around from everything I can gather
that the transgender community, the parents, family, they want, they
expect to be viewed and seen as real women. And
I'm not certain how to get around that, because the
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reality is you're you're either born with with one part
or the other part, and no matter what you do
to change that, you're still you're still always for ever
going to be a transman or a trans woman.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, and no, to your point, like biology doesn't lie
like these a lot of these people who are on
the liberal side, who are against you for years and
decades have said, oh, listen to science, listen to science.
Science is king, and then when science doesn't prove them right,
they somehow want people to ignore it.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Exactly. Plus many of them have been sending me science
lessons on how many different possible chromosome combinations there are,
and I just keep telling you know, that's not relevant
to this discussion. This discussion is about fairness for biological
girls and transgender girls who play sports. And I've also
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been told that it's an outdated notion that men are
stronger than women.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh my goodness, that's so ridiculous, as a lot of
people who listen to the show. No, I'm a constitutional lawyer,
and I filed brief on behalf of a bunch of
female athletes, over one hundred female athletes anywhere from junior
high girls who play sports to Olympic gold medalists who
signed on to this brief. And one of the main
arguments this brief makes is when biological men or boys
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are allowed to play in biological women or.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Girls' sports, it harms them. And one of the ways is.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Physical, because all of these characteristics that are built into
us from creation based on our biological gender do lead
to boys and men being stronger. It's really indisputable. Despite
what people apparently are sending to you over email, Nancy,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I have I will give them credit for the creative
ways they have described my intelligence, my looks I'm a.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Biggot sounds a good valid argumentation.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Creative.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I mean that's where you go when you don't have
a real argument, that is.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Where you go. And it's also they keep bringing up
all of these exceptions and the one thing that's true.
Whenever you have lots of exceptions to the rule, there is.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
No rule exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
So it's almost they want anything and everything to be.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Accepted.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
And here in Colorado this.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Isn't just a.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Thompson School District issue, because we have all of these laws,
state laws that require that you know, transgenders have all
of a lot of the same discrimination laws apply to
them as it does for you know, sexual orientation. Now
we have gender identity, all of these things, and so
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it's in conflict with Title nine right at the federal level.
So like it or not, every school district needs to
be discussing and deciding and parents need to be aware
that either a school district complies with Title nine and
doesn't allow biological boys males to be to participate in
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girls' sports so they can keep their federal funding and
then have to deal with pushing back with the state
and so forth, or they say no, we're just we're
just going to comply with the state laws, and then
it's like, well, how are we going to replace the
federal funding that.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Will be lost?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
And it will be lost. They're very clearly that's what
they've done. In Maine, They're they're serious and so, and
that includes sharing locker rooms. The Title nine court ruling
also covered sharing locker rooms. It did, and you know,
you know, for me, it's been a while since I
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was in junior high, middle school, but I still remember
just the horror of having to dress undressed for pe
in front of other girls. I can't imagine the trauma
of a girl having to do that in front of
a biological boy who says he identifies as a girl, right,
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I mean, I just I can't. As they always go
on and on about all the trauma that kids experience
and that's why they, you know, have all these mental
health issues and we need all this counseling without ever
any recognition, well, how much of that trauma is the
education system responsible.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
For, right?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And sometimes they you know, claim to care about one
particular person at the expense of all the other kids,
and so they are creating exponentially more issues than they,
you know, think they're solving.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Right, And then they go on, you know, they love
to quote the NCAA testimony that says there's only ten transgenders,
you know, competing in the entire state country. But that's
just simply not true. The other thing that's true because
because I can't give name specific names, they say, well
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they then they're like, well, then it's not true, and
it's like, well, you know as well as I do.
It breaks the law.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
If I say, yeah, you're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
It is name right, say that they're transgender, well exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, so you're between a rock and heartsquat exactly well.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
And the parents who have been commenting are being called
liars wow, because they can't say the names.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
They know it right exactly, and so they ask for
evidence that isn't allowed to be given legally, and then
say people are lying and Nancy, we have about thirty
seconds left before I have to go to break. So
this is Nancy rum Rum fault from the Thompson School District.
If you could take thirty seconds basically and give parents
advice on what they can do in their district.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Be involved as to see what their policy is under
ac for discrimination. Do they have a gender transition plan
they'll do without their permission? Do they know about on
overnight sports trips that their child could be put in
a room with someone of the opposite biological sects? They
can say no, these are things parents need to be
aware of and they need to say enough, we need
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to have a fair discussion rational I've how to deal
with this issue fairly.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Thank you, Nancy. It's a great advice for parents.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Been listening to Nancy Rumfeldt Christy Britton Brown on the
Dankpla Show calling over the break if you have thoughts
of what's going on in our school districts with transgenders
playing in girls sports.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
If you're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Show, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Nancy Rumfeldt, a member of the Thompson School District, was
giving parents important information about what might be going on
in your school district because there is a conflict in
some of Colorado's guidance or by sports organizations, some laws,
some anti discrimination laws in Colorado, and then the title
nine the law when it comes to boys playing in
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girls sports or the other way around.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
You just don't tendency.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The other way around tappen very often, but there are
a lot of issues involved with this is even go
into girls' locker rooms. Jefferson School District had a huge issue,
as many of you know with a boy sleeping in
the room of a girl on a field trip. Jefferson
School districtually filled with a ton of really bad issues
with kids. I think if your kid is in that district,
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you may want to seriously consider getting them out and
finding a different school. It's one of the great reasons
that Colorado has open enrollment laws. You actually don't have
to go to your signed neighborhood school. Not only are
you allowed to, of course, pick a charter school, private school, homeschool,
but you can just cross district lines and go to
a school that better fits your child. So Nancy Rumfeldt
gave parents a lot of good advice and information on
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what you can check on in your schools and see
what your children may be being exposed or subjected to,
and how you can work on ending that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Let's move to a different issue.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Though there's been a lot of information about ice and
sanctuary state and city status in Colorado constantly in the news.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Maybe some people thought.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It would die down when Mike Johnson, the Denver mayor,
went up to Congress and testified. If that's what the
mayor was hoping for, that's certainly not what happens. He
told Aaron Burnett that he wasn't aware of an illegal
immigrant who was released by police and then attacked ICE
agents in a parking lot. This has actually become one
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of the big issues that's gone on in Denver. I'll
talk about it a little bit after I play this
clip party.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
The ICE officers got assaulted, didn't he?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I reviewed the video.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
I had to taze the guy. Didn't he like my answer? Sir, no,
I'd like you answer. Did they tase him?
Speaker 7 (19:31):
I know that there were six officers done multiple tasers.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
It was not safer for the ICE agents who are
part of your community. No way was it safer. The
safest thing to do is to say, Ice, we got
him in custody, come here, we're releasing. We held him
three hundred and forty five days. We can't hold him
a second longer. We can't wait for you to come
inside the building. We got to let him go, so
you have to rest him in the parking lot. That
is how stupid Sankstuary policies are.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
I know you're obviously going to take issue or Umbridge
with the way that he presented it, but does does
he have a point? Does That's a situation of what
happened in that case in Denver show something that must change.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
I mean, we've had an established policy to do this.
We've done it twelve hundred and twenty six times and
never had an issue. What happens is if we have
someone in our custody that ICE wants access to, they
ask for a notification, we notify when they'll be released,
and where we are different than some of the other
cities today and that we do actually notify ICE so
they can pick them up. This is the first time
I've ever been where there's been an incident. There were
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six ICE officers there. The individual was unarmed. We walked
him right out into a secure location that's a parking
lot that's fenced where he can be detained. And so
again it's worked safely before. I've reached out to ICE.
We're going to meet with them next week. If there
are procedures we can adjust to make it safe, and
we're open to that. But this has been a procedure
that's worked for a long long time. We've never had
an issue until this week.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay, as Mayor Mike Johnson get first, they played you
a clip from Congress with him getting questioned about this situation,
and then his answer to Aaron Burnett asking if.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, do they have a point that maybe.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I llegal immigrant he's committed a violent crime shouldn't be
turned over to ICE in a parking lot where not
only could they attack ICE officers, but they also could
get away, run away, go back into the communities. And
despite the mayor saying, oh, we've never had issues with
this before, we notify ICE unlike so many other cities.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's very interesting that this is.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
The picture he's continuing to choose the paint of Denver
when Denver is defined by nonpartisan national organizations as one
of the sanctuary cities, one of the biggest sanctuary cities
in the United States. When that status that Denver has
is what caused the Venezuela TDA gang to declare Denver
as their US headquarters. They wouldn't do that in a
non sanctuary city. And Denver itself has passed specific city
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ordinances making the city a sanctuary city, banning their law
enforcement from coordinating with ICE in multiple ways. So the
fact that that is a law in Denver, in addition
the state law that prevents even more coordination with ICE
in reporting to ICE data sharing with ICE. There's a
street different state laws that affect Colorado sanctuary state status.
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But Denver has even gone further and past their own laws.
And yet the mayor is saying, oh, no, we do
report to ICE, unlike a whole lot of other cities. Well,
then they must be violating their own city ordinances. Now
I agree with them reporting into ICE. Here's the problem, though,
You've got to change your law if that's what you're doing,
because technically your law makes you a sanctuary city and
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bans cooperation with ICE. So very interesting the mayor is
claiming they're doing something that they're technically not allowed to
do under city or state law. Now what's also interesting
is he is trying to stress the point to that,
oh no, we really do report to ICE every time
before we release someone. Okay, well, let's look at this
specific situation when a violent criminal was released and ICE
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was notified. You know what, do you know what kind
of notification they got? It was over email ninety minutes
before he was going to be released in a parking lot.
If you call that good coordination and good notification, I
think you have a real problem with processes and facts.
So the fact that the Mayor's like, well, okay, we'll
go ahead and meet with ICE and we'll be open
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to adjusting policies. No one in their right mind would
say that is an actual coordination policy at all. To
give ninety minutes over an email and say that someone's
going to be released and then turn them over in
a parking lot, So a whole lot needs to change
in Denver. Top of the list would be the law
that allows all of this to happen and allows Denver
to handle it however they want, because technically they don't
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have to do it at all. So interesting that the
mayor still wants to go around and defend the policies
claim maybe he'll change them. What he needs to address
is whether or not he would support changing the law
in Denver to require law enforcement to actually report the
release of violent criminals from Denver jails to ICE agents
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the Department of Homeland Security, so that they can be
taken out of Denver, out of Colorado, and out of
the country.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
This is a very popular thing.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Over seventy percent of Americans, I think it's closer to
eighty percent according to a recent poll, believe that violent
criminals should be deported out of America if they were
illegally here in the first place. This is not a
part of an issue because guess what, eighty percent of
Americans are not all Republicans or Conservatives. This is a
common sense American issue. We don't want violent criminals who
have no right to be here staying in our communities,
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and we do expect our cities, our state, our law
enforcement to actually cooperate in a way that would take
these people out of our communities once they're released from jail.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You can call in anytime if you have thoughts.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Eight five to five four zero five eight two five five.
I'm Christy Burton Brown here on the dan kaplis show.
Another interesting point of someone trying to backtrack and explain
away their position. Senator Chuck Schumer, the leader of the
Democrats in the Senate, attempting to explain why he changed
his mind almost last minute and signed onto the Continuing
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Resolution bill.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Here is a reason that he gives Parry.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
The ice officers got assaulted.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Didn't he I reviewed the video?
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Had the guy didn't?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think the that is actually the wrong clip for you.
Let me try the Schumer talking about this government shut That's.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Why I did it.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
I wasn't going to take this flat just for having
a lot of fun. The bottom line is the government
shutdown works like this, All government spending is stopped all
and then the executive branch Trump, Musk, Doge and this
really evil man people don't know about Vote, who's head
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of OMB. His name is Vote.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
That's what happens.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
Is the Office of Management budget, which determines the spending,
and they could cut off anything they want simply by
saying it's not essential.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So his real reason to agree to not show the
shut down the government is because they're evil people behind
the scenes who will then make all the decisions, and
he simply couldn't let that happen. Here's something else he
said about the Trump administration that I think is fairly unique.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
They hate the government.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
They want there we are they hate the government. That's
why they are in government is because they hate the government.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But I also think a lot of our listeners don't
really love the government either, So it's not necessarily a
reason to do something or to criticize someone is to say, well,
because they hate the government, therefore they're going to do
awful things. There's no question that the government, both at
the state and federal levels, needs to be cut. There's
a ton of waste, ton of inefficiency, ton of bureaucracy,
and the fact that Trump promised to cut a lot
of that is actually one of the reasons he won,
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and not only the electoral College, but the popular vote
for one of the first times in a long time
for Republican presidential candidate.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
People don't like the government either and wanted someone in
there to shake it up.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So Mayor Mike Johnston, Senator Chuck Schumer, they can backtrack
and give all the explanations they want, but it's really
not working.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm Christy Britton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapela Show.
I've got to take a break.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You can call in over the break eight five five
four zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
While we were in a break, I was talking to
Welld County Sheriff Reems, who is no stranger to this show,
and he was telling me about a program our system
he has up in Weld County that solves part of
this constant problem Denver has with illegal immigrants who commit
violent crimes and release them in parking lots. Sheriff Reems,
Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
Hey, thanks for having me on, Christia. It's kind of
weird after being a guest host yesterday, I didn't figure
i'd be calling in, But you're on an interesting topic
for me.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I mean, you just can't get away. That's what happens
when you host the show.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
I just draws you back in.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It does all the time. But yeah, I would love
for you to tell our listeners.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
It's such a relevant issue right now with I mean,
it's like a relevant issue every single day because there's
another story of either someone escaping for an ICE detention
facility or Denver not cooperating with ICE. So why don't
you tell our listeners what you do up in Well County.
Speaker 10 (27:47):
So this is a relatively new process even for me,
because under the past administration, ICE agents would not come
to a jail prior to an inmates release to pick
them up. So they would wait until that mat had
finished his incarceration and then they'd say, Okay, can we
come get him now. With the new administration, I made
some phone calls to some of the some of the
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bigger folks up to Chain and just said, hey, would
you guys be willing to come get this person before
their actual release date. If we were released into you early,
let's say you had a desire to come question this
person for investigative purposes, I'd be happy to release them
to your custody on what we call a body receipt.
You can take them to the facility of your choice
and do your interviews and make a determination of whether
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or not there's some kind of legal proceeding you want
to take. I don't dive into, you know, what their
questioning is about, because that's their parent, that's their issue.
If the FBI showed up and said I want to
we want to take a guy to interviewing for you know,
a terrorist activity, we would cooperate with the FBI if
Secret Server showed up, same thing. So we're just extending
(28:53):
We're extending that same courtesy to ICE. And if they
show up and pick one of our inmates up and say,
you know, we'd like to take this person to go
investigate them. If they don't bring them back, we assume
they found a charge that was more severe than what
we're holding them, what we were holding that person on,
and you know, they start the deportation process or whatever
it is they need to do. That. Being said, you know,
(29:13):
it's a judgment call from me. Sure. So you know,
if we've got a person in on a really high
you know, a high seriousness crime, we're probably going to
tell I say this one, find me sustain our custody.
Whatever you're investigating them for probably isn't as severe as
what he's setting here for. Yeah, but it's a relational thing,
and it's so far it's working great. I'm sure. I'm
(29:34):
sure the Democrats won't like what we're doing. In fact,
I know there's some that don't, but you know, at
some point you got to you got to find a
solution to the problem. And we're not violating any law
by doing so. And it's working for.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Weldcown well absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And I think to your point, share frames the fact
that you would do the same thing for the FBI
or other federal agencies. And I assume other local law
enforcement would do it for them too, if they're investigating
terrorism or.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Some big crime.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Why in ICE as a federal agency and say, well,
you don't get the same treatment any other federal agency does.
It just doesn't make sense. It's literally there's nothing.
Speaker 10 (30:07):
Yeah, there's nothing in the law that says that we can't,
you know, have a cordial relationship with the ICE. It
just says that we can't detain an inmate past their
mandatory release date, so right not to be released, we
have to release them. But I'm not doing that. So,
you know, if ICE has an interest in a person,
they express an interest in that person, we will work
with them in the event that we can, so that
they can come and pick that individual up and take
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them in for investigative purposes. But I would do that
for the Douglas County Sheriff's office or even the Denver
Police Department if they had interest in one of my
inmates and they were willing to sign that person out
to go, you know, participate in an investigative process. You
got them, and we'll hand them basically, like I said,
what's called a body receipt, and if they don't bring
that person back, we work out who's got custody and wine.
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And that's pretty.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Common, honestly, sure, I mean it sounds like it would be.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
It's basically coordination between law enforcement agencies, whether local, state,
or federal, and seems like the best way to do business.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
When you have that.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Choice, it works out just fine, as long as the
legislatorial staut.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Of the middle of it, which we desperately need them
to do, stop siding with criminals and illegal immigrants and
how about you choose victims and communities for once.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
Yeah, and I can tell you everybody that I just
come to interact with at my agency, they were there
on a very lawful charge. You know. It's not like
they were being held for jaywalking. They were in my
facility for a reason. But oftentimes, the likely penalty that
they were going to receive for the charge that they
were in custody for probably isn't nearly as bad as
going back home to where.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
They came from exactly. But pay. That's where they should.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Be if they're here illegally and want to give at
crimes in our state. So thank you, Sheriff Reams for
explaining that. I think, you know, I think there probably
are some other law enforcement agencies that do what you do,
and some in Colorado Lake Tenver who certainly do not,
who could learn a few things.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
So thank you for explaining that.
Speaker 10 (31:55):
Bet, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Absolutely. That was the Sheriff Steve.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Rhems from welld County, well known to listeners of this show,
and well known around Colorado for his strong stand on
the side of protecting victims, protecting communities, and putting criminals
where they belong. I think, you know, there's just so
many issues when we talk about Colorado's designation as a
sanctuary state and Denvers as a sanctuary city, and this
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is just one of the illustrated issues that you lack
that cooperation between law enforcement agencies that.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
They want to have.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
But then the state comes in the middle of it,
the liberals and the legislature, who most of them have
never ever ever worked in law enforcement a day in
their lives, and yet they think they're suddenly the experts
standing in between law enforcement one law enforcement agency and
another one.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And just because they're on the federal level, and oh.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
No, Mike, take someone out of the country after they
commit a crime, we shouldn't cooperate with them. It's extremely
arbitrary standard and one that doesn't keep us safer. Many
of these laws combined, when you combine all the anti victim,
anti safety, so called criminal justice laws that have been
passed in Colorado, particularly since twenty nineteen, some before that,
and many after that, it is no wonder that, according
(33:06):
to US News and World Report, Colorado is the third
most dangerous state in the nation. I know Governor Poulis
loves to stand up at every State of the State
address and say, oh, we're going to become one of
the top ten most safe states in the nation, but
there's no movement towards that from the legislature at all.
In fact, it continues to get worse. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
You're on the Dan Kapli Show. When we come back
(33:29):
at the beginning of the next hour, we're going to
talk to State Representative Jarvis Caldwell, who has been leading
the charge at the legislature to put criminals where they belong,
have real charges against them, and protect victims. He's getting
no help from those who control the legislature. But he's
specifically going to talk about the Democrats trying to eliminate
first degree attempted murder charges. It's absolutely crazy. You've got
to hear it. Stay here on the Dan Kapla Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Today, I saw this duphole that Senator Mike Lee posted,
and it's it's somewhat interesting because when you look at
numbers of which voting demographics tend to go liberal tend
to go conservative, it usually matches up that people who've
gone to college and have college degrees tend to vote
democrat or a liberal. It is a problem I would
(00:37):
say that we've had for a long time now. Plenty
of people don't fit that demographic. I have a college degree,
and I'm young, and I'm a woman, a woman, and
I'm not a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
So certainly there's people who don't fit in that box.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
But this poll was really interesting because it was showing
let's see, it only polls. Well, and maybe this is
just the only part that Mike Lee posted, but it
was only showing white men, white women with a college
degree and without a college degree, okay, And it was
showing the difference in their opinions of Donald Trump, J. Dvance,
Elon Musk Doge, the Republican Party, Zelenski Dei, and the
(01:11):
Democratic Party. Kind of this very interesting section of things
it was asking voters their opinion on. But here is
the thing that I particularly thought was interesting. When you
look at white men with a college degree, they do
not like the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. But
the Democratic Party has fallen quite a lot with this demographic.
(01:33):
So the Republican Party is minus eleven, so basically like
underwater by eleven points in white men with college degrees opinions,
but the Democratic Party underwater by thirty eight points minus
thirty eight. This is fairly incredible when you look at
election polls that usually show white men with college degrees
(01:53):
often will vote more on the Democrat side, but not
at all in this specific opinion poll. Now, women with
college degrees very very different story. Democrat Party still underwater
though by four points. That Republican Party underwater by thirty
five points. With that demographic, which certainly matches up with
(02:14):
what normally happens. White women with college degrees tend to
not like the Republican Party at all. But what is
also fairly interesting to me is that going back to
white men with college degrees, they were plus one on
Donald Trump, even though they were minus eleven with the
Republican Party. So they particularly apparently maybe changing their opinion
(02:36):
of Republicans conservatives through the lens of Donald Trump. That's
very interesting, showing the trajectory perhaps of what may or
may not happen over the coming years. I have talked
before about how I think the Republican Party is going
to need to figure out what to do when Donald
Trump is no longer the head of the party, no
longer the president, and we are of course talking years
(02:57):
down the road, but he's been such a pivotal figurehead
in the party. Is some demographics moving towards the party
because of him, some demographics moving away from the party
because of him, but more moving towards the party than
against it.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
But still the.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Party's going to have to figure out exactly what to
do because despite a lot of politicians' opinion that they
can be the next Donald Trump, no one really is
going to be able to fit that bill.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He is a unique individual.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But anyway, poll again cited by Senator Mike Lee on
Twitter today just showing the difference of opinion among different
groups of people on this broad swath of issues. Elon
Musk also kind of funny getting a plus thirty three
from white men with no degree and then a minus
forty on the opposite end from white women with a
(03:47):
college degree. So it's a giant, giant difference. You also
see the Republican Party itself being a plus twenty five
with white men who have no college degree and a
min thirty five with white women with a college degree.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So those, of course, are.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
The two groups with the most difference, is white men
with no college degree and white women with a college degree,
So that difference has not changed in a long time.
I think a lot of it, though, points to what's.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Going on in our institutions of higher education.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
If you look at all races who have college degrees
versus all races who dumped, you see a giant difference
push toward the liberal side from practically every group that
had a college degree. Like, what does that tell you
about what colleges are most likely teaching and pushing people towards.
I really don't think that is a surprise, and everyone
(04:40):
knows that. What I find to be interesting is the
potential movement among white men with college degrees more against
the Democratic Party. Now, we see that the Democratic Party,
according to a lot of analysts, experts, even their own politicians,
saying that they really have no idea what to do
right now with Trump and what he's doing. You see
(05:02):
them trying out a whole lot of types of messaging
to see what might stick.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
But last time I was hosting the show.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Probably about a week and a half ago, I was
talking about how not only do they have a messaging
problem right now, they really don't know how to combat Trump.
We saw that illustrated in the Joint Congressional Address when
they objected to absolutely everything that Donald Trump talked about,
even those eighty twenty issues that the majority of people
want to support, like kicking violent criminals who are illegally
(05:30):
in our country out of our country, for example. But
I think you also see the Democrats having a policy problem.
They don't know what to contrast Trump's policies with. Because
usually if you're going to say, oh, you know, terrible policy,
we don't want to do this in the US, you
need to have a contrasting policy that gives a different option,
a different opinion. More hope to people, and they just
(05:53):
haven't haven't settled on it yet, and I'm okay with that.
I think probably a lot of our listeners are okay
with that. But we'll see if they ever find a
way to get it together. Not yet is the answer,
and their numbers are therefore dropping among demographic groups where
they typically enjoy a lot of support, and again even
white women with college degrees, that Democrat Party was underwater
(06:14):
by four points, which is unusual for them, usually very
very popular among that demographic.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
If you have thoughts on why.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
This is going on or anything else, you can call
in eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
I'm Christy Burton Brown in for Dan Kaplis today a
number of topics to cover. We're going to have several
interviews from some pretty interesting people. All three of them
are elected officials here in Colorado, but on very different levels.
The first one I'm going to bring on about ten
(06:41):
minutes from now, actually is going to be Nancy Rumfeldt.
She is a member of the school board up in
Larimer County.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
She'll let us know what's going on there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
She's actually gotten a lot of media attention for wearing
a shirt that says real women rock. You might think this,
what could be the problem with that state? Well, think
about what the LGBTQ lobby might think of a statement
like that when they are focused on transgender boys playing
in girls sports. She can fill you in on exactly
(07:11):
what's going on, but the other members of her school
board are trying to punish her from for exercising her
freedom of speech to give her opinion on women and
what a real woman is. So we'll bring her onto
the show. She can update us about what's going on.
And I think here's the important point in why I
wanted to actually bring her on the show. She's going
to talk about what parents need to look for in
(07:33):
their school districts across the state. This is not an
insular issue that's just going on in her district. There's
some information that might surprise parents and notify them about
what they need to watch for, where they can speak out,
and what they can change in their own districts. Because
Colorado is actually in a pretty bad spot right now
with CHASSA, the sports organization in the state, telling the
(07:53):
school districts that they need to allow transgender athletes to
compete in the sport of their choice, and yet that
is absolutely contrary to the Title nine direction coming from
the federal government saying that school districts in fact don't
have to do that and can allow just biological girls
and girls sports and biological boys in boy sports. So
Nancy will fill us in on some more details with
(08:14):
that later on. We're also going to have this will
actually be in the next hour. Representative Jarvis Caldwell, who's
been sponsoring a lot of the law enforcement criminal justice bills,
the ones that actually crack down on crime and help victims,
and they've been killed by the legislature up to now.
What I really want him to talk about is a
bill that was heard last night until one point thirty
(08:36):
in the House Judiciary Committee. This is a bill sponsored
by Democrats, and by the way, they laid it over
so there hasn't actually been a vote on it yet.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
They're going to vote on it later.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But they would actually eliminate the one of the crimes
classified under attempted first degree murder, reclassify it, and let
people off in one to four years for attempting murder.
I know one of the people who testify last night
or maybe in the early morning ours was a survivor
of the Club Q shooting, who obviously had attempted first
(09:08):
degree murder committed against him, and yet the Democrats in
this committee we're seeking to lessen that crime. So those
are some things you have to look forward to on
the show today. I'm going to take a break. You
can call in over the break eight five five four
zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I'm Christy Burton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's or things you should watch out and make sure
you speak up about. In that context, I'm going to
bring in Nancy Rumfeldt to the Dan Kapola Show. She
is on a school board up north. I'm gonna let
her tell you about it. And like I said before
the break, she has gotten in trouble with the other
people on the board for wearing a shirt that I
think we would all agree with. It says real Women Rock.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Nancy. Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Thank you Christy for having me on. I'm still I'm
still trying to understand all of the uproar and the
emails that have been flooding in since I wore a
shirt at the February meeting up here in the Thompson
School District, which is like the Loveland birthed area.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yes, and it just it.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Really seems to center around from everything I can gather
that the transgender community, the parents, family, they want, they
expect to be viewed and seen as real women. And
I'm not certain how to get around that, because the
(10:41):
reality is you're you're either born with with one part
or the other part, and no matter what you do
to change that, you're still you're still always for ever
going to be a transman or a trans woman.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Well, and no, to your point, like biology doesn't lie
like these a lot of these people who are on
the liberal side, who are against you for years and
decades have said, oh, listen to science, listen to science.
Science is king, and then when science doesn't prove them right,
they somehow want people to ignore it.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Exactly. Plus many of them have been sending me science
lessons on how many different possible chromosome combinations there are,
and I just keep telling you know, that's not relevant
to this discussion. This discussion is about fairness for biological
girls and transgender girls who play sports. And I've also
(11:40):
been told that it's an outdated notion that men are
stronger than women.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh my goodness, that's so ridiculous, as a lot of
people who listen to the show. No, I'm a constitutional lawyer,
and I filed brief on behalf of a bunch of
female athletes, over one hundred female athletes anywhere from junior
high girls who play sports to Olympic gold medalists who
signed on to this brief. And one of the main
arguments this brief makes is when biological men or boys
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are allowed to play in biological women or.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Girls' sports, it harms them. And one of the ways is.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Physical, because all of these characteristics that are built into
us from creation based on our biological gender do lead
to boys and men being stronger. It's really indisputable. Despite
what people apparently are sending to you over email, Nancy,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
I have I will give them credit for the creative
ways they have described my intelligence, my looks I'm a.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Biggot sounds a good valid argumentation.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Creative.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I mean that's where you go when you don't have
a real argument, that is.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Where you go. And it's also they keep bringing up
all of these exceptions and the one thing that's true.
Whenever you have lots of exceptions to the rule, there is.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
No rule exactly.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
So it's almost they want anything and everything to be.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Accepted.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
And here in Colorado this.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Isn't just a.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Thompson School District issue, because we have all of these laws,
state laws that require that you know, transgenders have all
of a lot of the same discrimination laws apply to
them as it does for you know, sexual orientation. Now
we have gender identity, all of these things, and so
(13:29):
it's in conflict with Title nine right at the federal level.
So like it or not, every school district needs to
be discussing and deciding and parents need to be aware
that either a school district complies with Title nine and
doesn't allow biological boys males to be to participate in
(13:53):
girls' sports so they can keep their federal funding and
then have to deal with pushing back with the state
and so forth, or they say no, we're just we're
just going to comply with the state laws, and then
it's like, well, how are we going to replace the
federal funding that.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Will be lost?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
And it will be lost. They're very clearly that's what
they've done. In Maine, They're they're serious and so, and
that includes sharing locker rooms. The Title nine court ruling
also covered sharing locker rooms. It did, and you know,
you know, for me, it's been a while since I
(14:32):
was in junior high, middle school, but I still remember
just the horror of having to dress undressed for pe
in front of other girls. I can't imagine the trauma
of a girl having to do that in front of
a biological boy who says he identifies as a girl, right,
(14:53):
I mean, I just I can't. As they always go
on and on about all the trauma that kids experience
and that's why they, you know, have all these mental
health issues and we need all this counseling without ever
any recognition, well, how much of that trauma is the
education system responsible.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
For, right?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
And sometimes they you know, claim to care about one
particular person at the expense of all the other kids,
and so they are creating exponentially more issues than they,
you know, think they're solving.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Right, And then they go on, you know, they love
to quote the NCAA testimony that says there's only ten transgenders,
you know, competing in the entire state country. But that's
just simply not true. The other thing that's true because
because I can't give name specific names, they say, well
(15:46):
they then they're like, well, then it's not true, and
it's like, well, you know as well as I do.
It breaks the law.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
If I say, yeah, you're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
It is name right, say that they're transgender, well exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, so you're between a rock and heartsquat exactly well.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
And the parents who have been commenting are being called
liars wow, because they can't say the names.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
They know it right exactly, and so they ask for
evidence that isn't allowed to be given legally, and then
say people are lying and Nancy, we have about thirty
seconds left before I have to go to break. So
this is Nancy rum Rum fault from the Thompson School District.
If you could take thirty seconds basically and give parents
advice on what they can do in their district.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Be involved as to see what their policy is under
ac for discrimination. Do they have a gender transition plan
they'll do without their permission? Do they know about on
overnight sports trips that their child could be put in
a room with someone of the opposite biological sects? They
can say no, these are things parents need to be
aware of and they need to say enough, we need
(16:53):
to have a fair discussion rational I've how to deal
with this issue fairly.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Thank you, Nancy. It's a great advice for parents.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Been listening to Nancy Rumfeldt Christy Britton Brown on the
Dankpla Show calling over the break if you have thoughts
of what's going on in our school districts with transgenders
playing in girls sports.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Eight five five four zero five eight two five five.
If you're on the Dan Kapla.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Show, you're listening to the Dan Kapliss Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Nancy Rumfeldt, a member of the Thompson School District, was
giving parents important information about what might be going on
in your school district because there is a conflict in
some of Colorado's guidance or by sports organizations, some laws,
some anti discrimination laws in Colorado, and then the title
nine the law when it comes to boys playing in
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girls sports or the other way around.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
You just don't tendency.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
The other way around tappen very often, but there are
a lot of issues involved with this is even go
into girls' locker rooms. Jefferson School District had a huge issue,
as many of you know with a boy sleeping in
the room of a girl on a field trip. Jefferson
School districtually filled with a ton of really bad issues
with kids. I think if your kid is in that district,
(18:16):
you may want to seriously consider getting them out and
finding a different school. It's one of the great reasons
that Colorado has open enrollment laws. You actually don't have
to go to your signed neighborhood school. Not only are
you allowed to, of course, pick a charter school, private school, homeschool,
but you can just cross district lines and go to
a school that better fits your child. So Nancy Rumfeldt
gave parents a lot of good advice and information on
(18:39):
what you can check on in your schools and see
what your children may be being exposed or subjected to,
and how you can work on ending that.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Let's move to a different issue.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Though there's been a lot of information about ice and
sanctuary state and city status in Colorado constantly in the news.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Maybe some people thought.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
It would die down when Mike Johnson, the Denver mayor,
went up to Congress and testified. If that's what the
mayor was hoping for, that's certainly not what happens. He
told Aaron Burnett that he wasn't aware of an illegal
immigrant who was released by police and then attacked ICE
agents in a parking lot. This has actually become one
(19:18):
of the big issues that's gone on in Denver. I'll
talk about it a little bit after I play this
clip party.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
The ICE officers got assaulted, didn't he?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I reviewed the video.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
I had to taze the guy. Didn't he like my answer? Sir, no,
I'd like you answer. Did they tase him?
Speaker 7 (19:31):
I know that there were six officers done multiple tasers.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
It was not safer for the ICE agents who are
part of your community. No way was it safer. The
safest thing to do is to say, Ice, we got
him in custody, come here, we're releasing. We held him
three hundred and forty five days. We can't hold him
a second longer. We can't wait for you to come
inside the building. We got to let him go, so
you have to rest him in the parking lot. That
is how stupid Sankstuary policies are.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
I know you're obviously going to take issue or Umbridge
with the way that he presented it, but does does
he have a point? Does That's a situation of what
happened in that case in Denver show something that must change.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
I mean, we've had an established policy to do this.
We've done it twelve hundred and twenty six times and
never had an issue. What happens is if we have
someone in our custody that ICE wants access to, they
ask for a notification, we notify when they'll be released,
and where we are different than some of the other
cities today and that we do actually notify ICE so
they can pick them up. This is the first time
I've ever been where there's been an incident. There were
(20:26):
six ICE officers there. The individual was unarmed. We walked
him right out into a secure location that's a parking
lot that's fenced where he can be detained. And so
again it's worked safely before. I've reached out to ICE.
We're going to meet with them next week. If there
are procedures we can adjust to make it safe, and
we're open to that. But this has been a procedure
that's worked for a long long time. We've never had
an issue until this week.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Okay, as Mayor Mike Johnson get first, they played you
a clip from Congress with him getting questioned about this situation,
and then his answer to Aaron Burnett asking if.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well, do they have a point that maybe.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I llegal immigrant he's committed a violent crime shouldn't be
turned over to ICE in a parking lot where not
only could they attack ICE officers, but they also could
get away, run away, go back into the communities. And
despite the mayor saying, oh, we've never had issues with
this before, we notify ICE unlike so many other cities.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
It's very interesting that this is.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
The picture he's continuing to choose the paint of Denver
when Denver is defined by nonpartisan national organizations as one
of the sanctuary cities, one of the biggest sanctuary cities
in the United States. When that status that Denver has
is what caused the Venezuela TDA gang to declare Denver
as their US headquarters. They wouldn't do that in a
non sanctuary city. And Denver itself has passed specific city
(21:41):
ordinances making the city a sanctuary city, banning their law
enforcement from coordinating with ICE in multiple ways. So the
fact that that is a law in Denver, in addition
the state law that prevents even more coordination with ICE
in reporting to ICE data sharing with ICE. There's a
street different state laws that affect Colorado sanctuary state status.
(22:03):
But Denver has even gone further and past their own laws.
And yet the mayor is saying, oh, no, we do
report to ICE, unlike a whole lot of other cities. Well,
then they must be violating their own city ordinances. Now
I agree with them reporting into ICE. Here's the problem, though,
You've got to change your law if that's what you're doing,
because technically your law makes you a sanctuary city and
(22:25):
bans cooperation with ICE. So very interesting the mayor is
claiming they're doing something that they're technically not allowed to
do under city or state law. Now what's also interesting
is he is trying to stress the point to that,
oh no, we really do report to ICE every time
before we release someone. Okay, well, let's look at this
specific situation when a violent criminal was released and ICE
(22:47):
was notified. You know what, do you know what kind
of notification they got? It was over email ninety minutes
before he was going to be released in a parking lot.
If you call that good coordination and good notification, I
think you have a real problem with processes and facts.
So the fact that the Mayor's like, well, okay, we'll
go ahead and meet with ICE and we'll be open
(23:07):
to adjusting policies. No one in their right mind would
say that is an actual coordination policy at all. To
give ninety minutes over an email and say that someone's
going to be released and then turn them over in
a parking lot, So a whole lot needs to change
in Denver. Top of the list would be the law
that allows all of this to happen and allows Denver
to handle it however they want, because technically they don't
(23:30):
have to do it at all. So interesting that the
mayor still wants to go around and defend the policies
claim maybe he'll change them. What he needs to address
is whether or not he would support changing the law
in Denver to require law enforcement to actually report the
release of violent criminals from Denver jails to ICE agents
(23:50):
the Department of Homeland Security, so that they can be
taken out of Denver, out of Colorado, and out of
the country.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
This is a very popular thing.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Over seventy percent of Americans, I think it's closer to
eighty percent according to a recent poll, believe that violent
criminals should be deported out of America if they were
illegally here in the first place. This is not a
part of an issue because guess what, eighty percent of
Americans are not all Republicans or Conservatives. This is a
common sense American issue. We don't want violent criminals who
have no right to be here staying in our communities,
(24:19):
and we do expect our cities, our state, our law
enforcement to actually cooperate in a way that would take
these people out of our communities once they're released from jail.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You can call in anytime if you have thoughts.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Eight five to five four zero five eight two five five.
I'm Christy Burton Brown here on the dan kaplis show.
Another interesting point of someone trying to backtrack and explain
away their position. Senator Chuck Schumer, the leader of the
Democrats in the Senate, attempting to explain why he changed
his mind almost last minute and signed onto the Continuing
(24:50):
Resolution bill.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Here is a reason that he gives Parry.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
The ice officers got assaulted.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Didn't he I reviewed the video?
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Had the guy didn't?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I think the that is actually the wrong clip for you.
Let me try the Schumer talking about this government shut That's.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Why I did it.
Speaker 9 (25:04):
I wasn't going to take this flat just for having
a lot of fun. The bottom line is the government
shutdown works like this, All government spending is stopped all
and then the executive branch Trump, Musk, Doge and this
really evil man people don't know about Vote, who's head
(25:25):
of OMB. His name is Vote.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
That's what happens.
Speaker 9 (25:29):
Is the Office of Management budget, which determines the spending,
and they could cut off anything they want simply by
saying it's not essential.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So his real reason to agree to not show the
shut down the government is because they're evil people behind
the scenes who will then make all the decisions, and
he simply couldn't let that happen. Here's something else he
said about the Trump administration that I think is fairly unique.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
They hate the government.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
They want there we are they hate the government. That's
why they are in government is because they hate the government.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
But I also think a lot of our listeners don't
really love the government either, So it's not necessarily a
reason to do something or to criticize someone is to say, well,
because they hate the government, therefore they're going to do
awful things. There's no question that the government, both at
the state and federal levels, needs to be cut. There's
a ton of waste, ton of inefficiency, ton of bureaucracy,
and the fact that Trump promised to cut a lot
of that is actually one of the reasons he won,
(26:19):
and not only the electoral College, but the popular vote
for one of the first times in a long time
for Republican presidential candidate.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
People don't like the government either and wanted someone in
there to shake it up.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So Mayor Mike Johnston, Senator Chuck Schumer, they can backtrack
and give all the explanations they want, but it's really
not working.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm Christy Britton Brown. You're on the Dan Kapela Show.
I've got to take a break.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
You can call in over the break eight five five
four zero five eight two five five.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
While we were in a break, I was talking to
Welld County Sheriff Reems, who is no stranger to this show,
and he was telling me about a program our system
he has up in Weld County that solves part of
this constant problem Denver has with illegal immigrants who commit
violent crimes and release them in parking lots. Sheriff Reems,
Welcome to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
Hey, thanks for having me on, Christia. It's kind of
weird after being a guest host yesterday, I didn't figure
i'd be calling in, But you're on an interesting topic
for me.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
I mean, you just can't get away. That's what happens
when you host the show.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
I just draws you back in.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It does all the time. But yeah, I would love
for you to tell our listeners.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
It's such a relevant issue right now with I mean,
it's like a relevant issue every single day because there's
another story of either someone escaping for an ICE detention
facility or Denver not cooperating with ICE. So why don't
you tell our listeners what you do up in Well County.
Speaker 10 (27:47):
So this is a relatively new process even for me,
because under the past administration, ICE agents would not come
to a jail prior to an inmates release to pick
them up. So they would wait until that mat had
finished his incarceration and then they'd say, Okay, can we
come get him now. With the new administration, I made
some phone calls to some of the some of the
(28:09):
bigger folks up to Chain and just said, hey, would
you guys be willing to come get this person before
their actual release date. If we were released into you early,
let's say you had a desire to come question this
person for investigative purposes, I'd be happy to release them
to your custody on what we call a body receipt.
You can take them to the facility of your choice
and do your interviews and make a determination of whether
(28:32):
or not there's some kind of legal proceeding you want
to take. I don't dive into, you know, what their
questioning is about, because that's their parent, that's their issue.
If the FBI showed up and said I want to
we want to take a guy to interviewing for you know,
a terrorist activity, we would cooperate with the FBI if
Secret Server showed up, same thing. So we're just extending
(28:53):
We're extending that same courtesy to ICE. And if they
show up and pick one of our inmates up and say,
you know, we'd like to take this person to go
investigate them. If they don't bring them back, we assume
they found a charge that was more severe than what
we're holding them, what we were holding that person on,
and you know, they start the deportation process or whatever
it is they need to do. That. Being said, you know,
(29:13):
it's a judgment call from me. Sure. So you know,
if we've got a person in on a really high
you know, a high seriousness crime, we're probably going to
tell I say this one, find me sustain our custody.
Whatever you're investigating them for probably isn't as severe as
what he's setting here for. Yeah, but it's a relational thing,
and it's so far it's working great. I'm sure. I'm
(29:34):
sure the Democrats won't like what we're doing. In fact,
I know there's some that don't, but you know, at
some point you got to you got to find a
solution to the problem. And we're not violating any law
by doing so. And it's working for.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Weldcown well absolutely.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
And I think to your point, share frames the fact
that you would do the same thing for the FBI
or other federal agencies. And I assume other local law
enforcement would do it for them too, if they're investigating
terrorism or.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Some big crime.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Why in ICE as a federal agency and say, well,
you don't get the same treatment any other federal agency does.
It just doesn't make sense. It's literally there's nothing.
Speaker 10 (30:07):
Yeah, there's nothing in the law that says that we can't,
you know, have a cordial relationship with the ICE. It
just says that we can't detain an inmate past their
mandatory release date, so right not to be released, we
have to release them. But I'm not doing that. So,
you know, if ICE has an interest in a person,
they express an interest in that person, we will work
with them in the event that we can, so that
they can come and pick that individual up and take
(30:29):
them in for investigative purposes. But I would do that
for the Douglas County Sheriff's office or even the Denver
Police Department if they had interest in one of my
inmates and they were willing to sign that person out
to go, you know, participate in an investigative process. You
got them, and we'll hand them basically, like I said,
what's called a body receipt, and if they don't bring
that person back, we work out who's got custody and wine.
(30:51):
And that's pretty.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Common, honestly, sure, I mean it sounds like it would be.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
It's basically coordination between law enforcement agencies, whether local, state,
or federal, and seems like the best way to do business.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
When you have that.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Choice, it works out just fine, as long as the
legislatorial staut.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Of the middle of it, which we desperately need them
to do, stop siding with criminals and illegal immigrants and
how about you choose victims and communities for once.
Speaker 10 (31:14):
Yeah, and I can tell you everybody that I just
come to interact with at my agency, they were there
on a very lawful charge. You know. It's not like
they were being held for jaywalking. They were in my
facility for a reason. But oftentimes, the likely penalty that
they were going to receive for the charge that they
were in custody for probably isn't nearly as bad as
going back home to where.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
They came from exactly. But pay. That's where they should.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Be if they're here illegally and want to give at
crimes in our state. So thank you, Sheriff Reams for
explaining that. I think, you know, I think there probably
are some other law enforcement agencies that do what you do,
and some in Colorado Lake Tenver who certainly do not,
who could learn a few things.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
So thank you for explaining that.
Speaker 10 (31:55):
Bet, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Absolutely. That was the Sheriff Steve.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Rhems from welld County, well known to listeners of this show,
and well known around Colorado for his strong stand on
the side of protecting victims, protecting communities, and putting criminals
where they belong. I think, you know, there's just so
many issues when we talk about Colorado's designation as a
sanctuary state and Denvers as a sanctuary city, and this
(32:20):
is just one of the illustrated issues that you lack
that cooperation between law enforcement agencies that.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
They want to have.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
But then the state comes in the middle of it,
the liberals and the legislature, who most of them have
never ever ever worked in law enforcement a day in
their lives, and yet they think they're suddenly the experts
standing in between law enforcement one law enforcement agency and
another one.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And just because they're on the federal level, and oh.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
No, Mike, take someone out of the country after they
commit a crime, we shouldn't cooperate with them. It's extremely
arbitrary standard and one that doesn't keep us safer. Many
of these laws combined, when you combine all the anti victim,
anti safety, so called criminal justice laws that have been
passed in Colorado, particularly since twenty nineteen, some before that,
and many after that, it is no wonder that, according
(33:06):
to US News and World Report, Colorado is the third
most dangerous state in the nation. I know Governor Poulis
loves to stand up at every State of the State
address and say, oh, we're going to become one of
the top ten most safe states in the nation, but
there's no movement towards that from the legislature at all.
In fact, it continues to get worse. I'm Christy Burton Brown.
You're on the Dan Kapli Show. When we come back
(33:29):
at the beginning of the next hour, we're going to
talk to State Representative Jarvis Caldwell, who has been leading
the charge at the legislature to put criminals where they belong,
have real charges against them, and protect victims. He's getting
no help from those who control the legislature. But he's
specifically going to talk about the Democrats trying to eliminate
first degree attempted murder charges. It's absolutely crazy. You've got
to hear it. Stay here on the Dan Kapla Show.
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