Lindsay Clancy juror Paula Devlin reveals male holdout juror is black

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Dan Kaplan.

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Another gorgeous day across the Rockies, much like 9-11 itself, right?
I'm sure you remember if you were alive then, you
remember that day vividly as I do. So we're going
to talk today about lessons learned, not learned. Who won?
Who lost? And moving forward, moving forward, what do we
need to do to be able to be sure we
keep winning? So obviously, my conclusion is that the good

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guys won since 9-11, won in any reasonably definable way,
because it's never going to be perfect, not in a
world where there's plenty of evil out there, but there's
more good than evil. And we're very, very fortunate that
this nation is the headquarters of of good in the world.
Doesn't mean we have a monopoly on good. Doesn't mean

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we don't have bad. We have some real bad. But
it's kind of the headquarters of good in the world,
and it is the reason the free world remains free.
Not that there aren't other courageous people out there. There
clearly are. But without the United States of America and
the goodness and greatness of the U.S., the world would
have been plunged into darkness, the control of evil, at

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the very latest, the mid-40s. So when I look back
on 9-11, And I remember sitting, you know, we're in
that K-House studio in Denver today to do the show.
And I was across the hall. I was called in
to anchor the news coverage on 9-11 on 850 KOA
along with Kathy Walker. And I remember like it was
lunchtime today as I sat in there thinking, as I'm

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sure every other thinking American did, that this was going
to be the new world for America, that we were
going to be under regular attacks the size and scope
of 9-11. And we can go into the reasons for
that rationale then, and there was a lot of good
reason for it. And so it really is a remarkable achievement.

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And 99.9% of it goes to the brave men and
women of our military, but a remarkable achievement that since
9 11, we have not been hit like that. I mean,
who would have thought 25 years ago today, that would
be the case. It's an almost impossible achievement. When you
consider we live in this free and open society. and

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almost impossible achievements. So I do think it's so important
to every now and then just stop and give credit
where it's due and give thanks to the men and
women who have made all that possible. Not all of
them have been Republicans. Not all of them have been conservatives.
When you look at our armed forces, I don't know
what the exact breakdown is, but there are plenty of

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Democrats and plenty of liberals in our armed forces as well.
But I'm just saying everybody, everybody, deserves an awful lot
of credit because that is a massive accomplishment. It doesn't
mean it's going to last another five minutes. But that
shouldn't stop us from appreciating and celebrating what has been

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accomplished over the years. 303-713-8255, DAN 57739. So I think
it's fair to say, and if you want to shoot
at it, I'd appreciate that. I think it's very fair
to say that overall since 9-11, good has won. And
evil has lost. And certainly the terrorists who attacked us

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on 9-11 have lost. Now, along the way, has evil
had its moments? Of course. Are we in an existential
battle right now of good versus evil with Iran? Absolutely.
And credit to President Trump for being the first president
to really take it on. And I'm under no illusions
that it's going to end cleanly or neatly like some
kind of movie or TV show. Not at all. But

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that is the reality. And you've got all different pockets
of evil and terrorists out there, whether it's nation state
like the Xi Communist Party of China or, you know,
obviously the Iranian regime. Or whether it's more free-floating terrorists.
Lots of evil out there. Vigilance has to continue. We
know there are going to be more attacks. I'm just saying,

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let's appreciate this truly heroic achievement. Not been hit like
9-11 since. 303-713-8255, DAN57739. As much of what we're going
to talk about in the show today, if we still
had water coolers, then the water cooler conversation would continue
to percolate around the Lindsay Clancy case for all of

(04:31):
the obvious reasons, the bigger issues raised and then the
issues particular to that case. And it seems like every
day another juror comes out, which I'm grateful for. It's
great to get that information. But there was this one
interview today that I think just really caught everybody's attention.
It's certainly openly surprised, you know, that the host herself,

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listen to this.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm curious about the jurors themselves, because we know it
was nine women, three men. What was the age range?
What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that.
What was it? 70-ish to 22. And one person of color,
and then everybody else was white. A lot of the

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jurors had children. Uh-huh. One person of color, was a
person of color a woman or a man? A man.
A man. Is a holdout juror a person, a black man?

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
A black man is a holdout juror? Yes. Well, I'll
have to sit with that for just a second.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, and Gail was doing the question. She's obviously African-American. So, yeah, I...
I wonder why she had to sit with that for
a second. Do you think that particular information has any
significance when it comes to the decision of the holdout

(06:04):
to holdout? I don't. I don't apply it rationally, logically.
I don't apply any kind of significance at all to that. It's, yeah.
But it's, you know, Another interesting fact, I just look
forward to the day and I hope it happens when
the holdout publicly speaks. And as we talked about yesterday,

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depending on what the facts are, facts we cannot know,
that holdout may, underline that, have a very, very, very
strong defamation action against Lindsay Clancy's lawyer for some of
the over-the-top attacks that have occurred, particularly in the last
two days. But again, it depends on the critical fact of,
did the holdout, actually admit that there was reasonable doubt,

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but then say he was unwilling to acquit. If that occurred,
then there's no defamation and the holdout should have followed
the law if he truly believed there was reasonable doubt.
But that would have to be proven. And I'm very, very,
very anxious to hear from the holdout. Hopefully we will soon.

(07:13):
Because at this point, I'm not drawing any conclusions. I'm
not blaming the 11. I'm not blaming the holdout. We
just don't know enough facts, but I sure hope we
get those facts. I hope the holdout speaks. You think
he'll write a book or do a big interview somewhere?
Right now it would be, how many Americans do you

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think would watch that interview? Would you watch it? I'd
sure watch it. I'd change my schedule to watch it
if I could. I bet it'd be, if it happens now, right?
Because you know how fast life is and stories, even
really big important stories like this fly by. But if
it happens sometime in the next week or two, I
think it would be one of the most watched interviews
in decades. Now, that ties into what happened here on

(07:57):
The Oprah Show. Listen.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
And the other thing that I would just be remiss
to not say is I hope this never happens again.
We know statistically it really will.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
It will.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
I want us to have the same passion for people
who don't look like Lindsay, who don't have her same access.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Who don't have.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Her same access and education, her melanin, her privilege. There
are women of color sitting around this country in prisons
for the same thing that we've never heard of. And
I just want to remind us to have the pink
shirts and the energy for them as well.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
What is your reaction to that? We have to pop
this break now, but what's your reaction to that? I've
got a strong reaction to that. But I think that
there is a very legitimate concern, just speaking more broadly,
that this terrible movement on the left to declare that

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mothers have a right to kill their children, which so
far is clear and open. and bragged about on the
left up to the moment of birth. I mean, that
is the position. The position used to be, oh, that's
not a baby, that's not a child, that's a blob
of tissue. And then the left ran into ultrasounds. It
couldn't get away with that big lie anymore. So then
the argument simply shifted to mothers have a right to

(09:32):
kill their children. That's the argument of the left. Mothers
have a right to kill their children until the moment
they're delivered. That's the official position of the left. Is
there a movement now? Is there a movement now on
the left to extend that past birth? Is this part

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of that movement? You're on the Dan Kaplan Show. As
we mourn the loss of thousands of our citizens, I
can hear you! I can hear you.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
The rest of the world hears you. And the.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
People who knocked these buildings down will hear all of
us soon. I think people forget. What a great leader
W was in so many different ways in the immediate
aftermath after 9-11. I mean, at that moment, and thank

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goodness he got off script because the script did remarks.
I mean, it was important that he was there and
standing on the pile of debris with his arm around
the heroic worker. But it's once he got off script
and just began to speak from the heart that it
really got powerful. And he had a lot of other
great moments. Remember that address to the nation, joint session?

(11:07):
I think it was within a few days. Incredibly well done.
Just so very strong, perfect tone. And to me, you know,
as a baseball fan, because I have a little bit
of appreciation for how hard this would have been, how
much courage it would have taken to do it, took
to do it. Sister and Felice helped me here from above.

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Remember when, Bush, you wrote the first pitch at Yankee
Stadium soon after 9-11? And what? pressure because for those
not familiar with baseball listen unless unless you compete unless
you do it all the time even if you're a
good baseball player to go out and stand on the
mound as pitchers do and throw a strike is not

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the easiest thing to do when you're president of the
United States and the whole world's watching and your nation's
looking for a leader and the moment is just packed
with that energy and and he decides to get on
the mound not from in front of the mound and
through a perfect strike and that carried tremendous weight in America.
And so, yeah, he did a lot of things really,

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really well in that immediate aftermath. 303-713-8255, D-A-N-57739. We're talking
about a lot of different things this afternoon, including the
latest in the Lindsay Clancy case and more revelations from
and about jurors and revelations about the holdout. And I
do hope the holdout speaks sometime soon. But I want

(12:30):
to get you back to some of the actual sound
from 9-11 itself. So let me give you some of
that now.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Is that American 11 trying to call?

Speaker 6 (12:44):
We have some claims.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Stay quiet and you'll be okay.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
We're turning to the airport.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
And who's trying to call me here?

Speaker 4 (12:55):
American 11, are you trying to call?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Hi, Boston Center, TMU. We have a problem here.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
We have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New York, and
we need you guys to, we.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there
to help us out. Is this real world or exercise? No,
this is not an exercise. I'm going to test. Okay, hey,
hold on one second, okay?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
.

Speaker 2 (13:39):


.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Is that real world?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Real world magic.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
Cool. Is that real? Perfect.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Oh, shit.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Who called you?

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Boston.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Boston?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah. Uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
Open line.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I need an air.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
I need an air.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, Hunter, calling in reference to the hijack aircraft.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
We're checking to get some information from you if we could.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Okay, what do you need?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
We need callsign type aircraft.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
It's American 11. American 11? Type aircraft is a 767.
And number.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Of cells on board, do you know that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Hold on.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Hey, Dan? Do we have those on board and all
that information? No, we don't have any of that information.
You don't have any of that?

Speaker 6 (14:47):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
We're in a position about 40 miles north of Kennedy.
40 miles north of Kennedy?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Do you have a Mode 3? No, we don't. He's
a primary target only. Primary target only?

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Okay, and you don't know where he's coming from or destination?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
No idea.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
He took off out of Boston, originally heading for Los Angeles.
Boston to Los Angeles? That was his original destination, yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
And where are they going now, do you know?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
No idea.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
He's heading towards Kennedy. It looks like his speed is decreasing.
I'm not exactly sure where. Nobody really knows.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Are you the controlling agency?

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Or is New York? Right now we are. We're heading
right for New York Center.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
And is there any military assistance requested?

Speaker 5 (15:30):
Yes, we're actually trying to get F-15s to work.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
You actually do want F-15s out?

Speaker 5 (15:35):
Yeah, F-15s out of Otis.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
But you don't have any modes or codes on him?

Speaker 5 (15:40):
No. No, right now it's just, no, we don't have
any most sick.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Is he inbound to JFK?

Speaker 5 (15:47):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
You don't know where he is at all?

Speaker 5 (15:50):
He's being hijacked. The pilot's having a hard time talking
to the, I mean, we don't know. We don't know
where he's going. He's heading towards Kennedy. Like I said,
he's like 35 miles north of Kennedy now at 367 knots. Okay.
No idea where he's going.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
If you could please give us a call and let
us know, you know, any information, that would be great.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Right now, I guess we're trying to work on, I
guess there's been some threats in the cockpit. There's been what?

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
We'll call you right back as soon as we know
more info.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
Giant Killer.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (16:31):
This is Huntress placing Panta 4546 on battle stations.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
I repeat, battle stations.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Time 1241. Authenticate. Hotel Romeo. All parties acknowledge with initials.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Command post.

Speaker 6 (16:48):
Giant Killer.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Tower.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
JL.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Approach.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Tango Juliet, and you say again the call time? Tanta, Papa, Alpha, November, Tango, Alpha, 4546.

Speaker 6 (16:58):
Tango Juliet.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Juliet, Papa, all parties.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Are cleared to drop.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
I've never seen so much real world stuff happen during
an accident.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
That long.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
41.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
What was that?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Okay. Find the sky.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
41. And we're putting it in.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
1443.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Look for it.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Right there.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Mode 3.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
1443.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Last known.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
No, this is real world.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Okay, we're in the high check. I got a Z-point, sir.
Last known position that we got out of this guy
was right there at the Z-point. He's heading 190 at
29,000 feet.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I'm going to continue to play some of that sound today.
It's not the kind of sound we often hear on air. No,
it's long form. A lot of this you probably haven't heard.
A lot of this hasn't been widely heard. And I
just think it's real important to remember the reality of
that day. And it's just... A little maddening to know

(18:04):
there are so many kids right now. Think about it.
Kids in their 20s may have never even seen the
video other than something passing on X. But throughout the
show today, I'm going to continue to play some of
the actual sounds from 25 years ago as we continue
to talk about lessons learned, not learned, who won, who lost.
You know, my premise, if you were here, which is

(18:25):
a remarkable, stunning victory. by the United States of America
since 9-11 to have prevented another full-scale 9-11 type attack.
Who on 9-11 2001 would have thought that would be possible?
But obviously, every single minute, we're in more danger. When
we come back, I want to talk about one of
the more disturbing things I've ever seen public officials do.

(18:49):
It happened today at the memorial in New York, the
site of the 9-11 attacks. And it involved... Mayor Mamdani
and AOC. So I'll get you those details when we
come back.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
303-713-8255.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
DAN 57739. You're on the Dan Kaplan Show. Number three
in the back.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
The cockpit's not answering.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Somebody stabbed in business class.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
And I think there's mace that we can't breathe.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
I think we're getting hijacked.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I just dropped 800 feet in like one sweep. That's
another situation. What kind of a plane is that?

Speaker 6 (19:29):
Can you guys tell?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
I'll read it out in a minute.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I am monitoring a call in which flight 11... The
flight attendant is advising our ref that the pilot, everyone's
been stabbed. I just think it's so important to remember
the reality of 9-11. I think schools should be doing
more to teach it and to keep it fresh in

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everybody's mind.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. You know,
denial will get you killed. It's very, very important that
the kids, the kids know the truth about 9-11, the reality.
And so important to keeping the nation safe going forward.
I mean, again, who would have thought back on 9-11?

(20:31):
And I mentioned earlier that I was called in to
anchor the KOA radio coverage across the hall with Kathy Walker.
I don't think you would have found a person in
America that day paying attention who would have thought we
could go 25 years without another 9-11 level or greater, worse,
attack on America. What a tribute. What a tribute to

(20:51):
so many people in this country across party lines and
to our armed forces and so many people. And I
think that needs to be recognized and remembered. Not that
it guarantees us a single additional second of safety. It's
going to keep that we need that continued vigilance, which
is why it's so important that the truth about 9-11,
the horror of it, the reality, you know, be taught.

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And that this nation remember. And that leads to one
of the more disturbing sites I've seen from public officials.
And it goes back to the promo cut yesterday. Shannon
and I cut a promo for the show yesterday. And
in the promo, you know, we were talking about what
would we see? What would we see from the radical anti-U.S.

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left today? Would we see any open celebrations of the
9-11 attacks? Or would they try to keep a straight
face and check the boxes? And, well, we got our answer.
We got our answer in New York, where you'll see
it if you haven't seen it already. It's all over
the places it should be. You know, the video of
Mayor Mamdami. and of AOC together at Ground Zero itself.

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And it's at a very, very sad point in the
ceremony where the names of those not only killed, but viciously,
their lives were taken in such a vicious, torturous way.
It's that point in the remembrance, and you have people
openly sobbing and throwing their bodies on top of the

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memorial on the names of their loved one. And the
camera cuts away to Mamdani and AOC and they're laughing
their heads off. They couldn't be happier. Now, question for you.
Was that just a matter of, it could be one
of three things, right? I look at my own life
and there have been times when I've done something completely

(22:47):
inappropriate to the occasion. And I later couldn't figure out why.
It was like just a temporary brain lock or something.
Not many of them, but I've been around more than
a year or two. There have been some times, so
it could be that. It could be that they just
couldn't help themselves and finally just burst out laughing. Or

(23:11):
did they want the world to see this? Which of
the three do you think it is? 303, 713, 255, DAN, 57739,
and almost people prefer to text. Yeah, I kind of miss.
You know, when I first started on air, everybody called.
I miss that. I like callers. You get the give

(23:33):
and take. But texts are cool too, especially when they're
shortened to the point. I think more people feel free
on text to take a shot, to be critical, et cetera.
And we really value that here. So if you need
to text to do that, please do it. But do
you think, because these are smart people. with a lot

(23:53):
of bad ideas, a lot of dangerous ideas, a lot
of anti-American ideas, but they're intellectually smart people. So do
you think they did this on purpose? Do you think
they wanted to be seen smiling and laughing while others
around them were sobbing, literally sobbing, during this very sensitive

(24:15):
part of the 9-11 memorial at Ground Zero? You think
they did it on purpose? Or was it one of
those things we've all been guilty of every now and then?
Or do you think they truly celebrated the attacks when
they happened and that's where their heads at? I honestly
don't know. I've never met either of them and I've
never seen anything in the stuff written about them or

(24:36):
the stuff they've said or done where I could honestly answer,
even for myself, the question of whether they celebrated the
9-11 attacks. Because we know there are a bunch of
people who celebrated those attacks privately. Do you think Those two,
Mamdami and AOC, do you think they celebrated the October
7 attack on our great ally Israel? My personal belief,

(25:00):
and listen, I'm not trying to infringe anybody's free speech,
but my own personal belief is that nobody who was
happy about the 9-11 attack should hold elective office in America.
And nobody who was happy about the October 7 massacre
should hold office in America. And we know there are

(25:22):
plenty of people holding office in America now who were
happy about the October 7 attack. And we can bet
there are plenty of people holding office who were happy
about the 9-11 attack. You know, because we now have
so many of these hardcore lefties, so many now openly socialist. Yeah,
but in particular, what do you think with what we

(25:44):
saw today with Mamdami and with AOC? Do you think
it was just one of those crazy things we all
do at some point? Do you think they were just
so happy about the 9-11 attacks they couldn't contain themselves?
Or do you think they wanted people to see that? DAN57739,
a texter, says, Dan, shame on Trump for not bombing

(26:06):
Iran today. So what if they're not implicated? We know
through terror networks they had to know. I take that
as a facetious text. Texter, if I'm wrong about that,
I am sure you will correct me. But, um, But no,
I am so impressed that President Trump has the courage

(26:27):
to say, and I don't think there's any doubt, he
has said to himself, he is not leaving office until
this evil regime in Iran is dealt with and for
the sole purpose of protecting this nation going forward. I
think he has decided that is his most important legacy
because his willingness to get involved militarily with Iran is

(26:49):
the one and only way he could really destroy his presidency.
And when I say destroy it, I mean, you know,
bog it down and have it end in that negative
if things go poorly. We know that no matter what
he accomplished in this presidency, just like the first one.
You know, he could cure cancer. He could, you know,

(27:10):
do everything else under the sun, and he would never
get credit for it. Never, ever, ever get credit for
it from 98% of the media. We know that. I'm
not talking about that. I'm talking about in reality. President
Trump is a brilliant guy, and he had to know
that the only way that he could cause his second
term to potentially not be a success is to take

(27:35):
on this evil regime militarily. And I think he was
willing to do it out of love for this country.
And just knowing that none of our presidents, Republican or Democrat,
have been willing to do it, because the political price
to them would have been too great. So the nation
was left vulnerable. And Trump has said, no, I think

(27:56):
Trump knows he is probably the last chance of an
American president taking on Iran. And I think he is
absolutely determined to accomplish that mission. I personally believe it's
going to work out well. And we can talk about
the reasons why. But But listen, I am a blessed

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are the peacemaker. I'm a blessed are the peacemakers kind
of guy. I mean, like to my core, it's not
a cliche. It's not a slogan. I think we are
called on to do that. I think we'll be judged
in large part, in real part, on whether we do that.
And then it comes down to are there times when,

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you know, to make peace, It has to be clear
that you're ready to go to war and win as
an absolute last resort. Are there times when, to make
peace and save the innocent, you have to go to
war as an absolute last resort? And I know that's
easy to say from the comfort of a radio studio
on a pretty Friday afternoon. I get that. But I
think for President Trump, he knows the reality, which is

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the raw evil that rules Iran and what that means
for America the day they get a nuclear weapon. And
I think the way Trump looks at it, and it's
hard to argue with, is that this nation ceases to
be free the day Iran gets a nuclear weapon. Because
the day Iran gets a nuclear weapon, then at that point,

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pretty much every breath we take here is at the
mercy of crazed, bloodthirsty Ayatollahs. And I don't mean they
can destroy the entire nation at once. That's not the point.
But in terms of peace of mind, and in terms
of whether enormous numbers of our fellow citizens are killed, yeah,

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every single minute is going to be at the whim
and mercy of some of the worst people to ever live.
So I think Trump is determined to to protect this nation.
And my guess is that the 25th remembrance of 9-11
makes them even more determined. You're on the Dan Kaplan Show. Yeah,

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essential to our survival that we never forget. You know
how this works in life. 303-713-8255, D-A-N-5-7-7-3-9. I'll get to
some text. We're remembering, of course, 25 years. After the
9-11 attacks, we're playing a lot of sound. Some of it,
very few people have ever heard before. Not that it
wasn't public, but it just wasn't publicized. Just to take

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us back to the gritty reality of that day, we're
talking about the latest in the Clancy case as well.
Included under all of that is the very disturbing scene.
You've probably seen the video already of Mamdami, the mayor
of New York, and AOC laughing it up in the
middle of... very, very sensitive, intense moment in the 9-11
memorial at Ground Zero while others around them were sobbing.

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And so talking about, hey, did they do that on purpose?
Was it just one of those brain lock things that
can happen to people? Or were they just happy?

Speaker 1 (31:00):
303-713-8255, DAN-57739.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Breaking news story, can't independently confirm it, NBC10 in Boston.
reporting that the holdout juror in the Clancy case had
an active restraining order against him while he was serving
on the jury. According to the reporting, the juror had

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two separate domestic violence-related matters in 2021, criminally charged with
assaulting his wife and his then 13-year-old nephew. And then
that charge reportedly was dismissed later, I think, after the
couple got divorced in 2025. Same nephew obtained a restraining order.
alleging the juror pushed him down, repeatedly punched him, told

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him he had ruined his life and had the beating coming. So,
related issue to that, and again, can't independently verify the reporting,
my guess is that NBC10 was probably very careful about this.
It probably got lawyered at multiple levels, given that the
juror is not a public figure and could easily win

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a defamation case if the reporting was incorrect. And then,
of course, that raises the question of, hey, what did
the juror have to say on his juror questionnaire? Because
if you've ever been a juror, not every case, but
lots of cases, you'll get a written questionnaire, some of
the basics filled out in advance, save time in the process.
And it includes the usual questions about whether you've ever

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been arrested, charged with a crime, convicted of a crime.
So the question as to what might be in that questionnaire.
If the juror answered the questionnaire falsely, intentionally, knowingly, and
at that point could be subject to some criminal prosecution himself.
So all of this breaking right now. 303-713-8255, DAN 57739.

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I want to get back to the text and to
the calls. I do want to get you some more
of this sound of the day, though. Flight 93.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
When I took the call over, there was a soft-spoken,
calm gentleman on the other end He told me that
there's three people that have taken over the flight. At
that point, I asked him his name. He told me
Todd Beamer. He was from Cranberry, New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Did you make a conscious decision not to tell Todd
about the World Trade Center? Why?

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
Because I wanted him to have hope. I wanted him
to think that he still had a chance.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I didn't want him to.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
Feel like it was just totally hopeless and he definitely
didn't have a choice and he knew he was going
to die.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I didn't want him to have that feeling.

Speaker 6 (33:36):
When he wanted to pray, was your sense then that.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
He knew that?

Speaker 6 (33:41):
Yes, I did. I felt that he knew at that
time because he had said, oh, Jesus, help us. And
then he said, Lisa, would you recite the Lord's Prayer
with me? And I knew that he knew at that
time that it wasn't much left for him to do.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
What do you think that this country needs to know
about the men and women who were on board Flight 93?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
They're all heroes in my eyes. They really are.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
They all pitched together, and they did what they thought
was the best thing to do at that time. And
I feel that Todd played a great role in that
because when he told the guys, are you ready, I
assumed that they were waiting on his cue. Then they
responded to him, and he said, okay, let's roll.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
And would you please help me welcome his wife, Lisa Beamer,
here tonight?

Speaker 6 (34:38):
She called me next Saturday morning. I told him, I said,
you have two boys, David and Andrew. She said, yes, yes,
I do. I said, and you're expecting a third child?

Speaker 1 (34:49):
She said, yes. He told you all of that? I said, yes,
he did.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
And he wanted me to let you know that he
loved you and his family very much. And I gave
her a message and kept my promise.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Hmm. Dispatcher also said that she had asked Todd Beamer
if he wanted to be put through to his wife
from the plane, and he said, no, she's pregnant, and
I'm afraid what it would do to her. It's just
a reminder, right? You know this is true. It's just
a reminder. There are so many good and great people

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around us, just kind of everyday people who are just
good and they're great and they're strong. And in moments
like that, I mean, you see them come through. And
it reminds me of, it wasn't during the 9-11 coverage
I did on KOA, it was during the Columbine coverage,
the night of the horror at Columbine, when I was

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anchoring that coverage. And I had the Archbishop on at
the time, Archbishop Charles Chaput. And we were talking about,
of course, that profound question of evil in the world.
And why God permits evil. And the Archbishop made the
point that God never causes evil, but God always causes

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goodness to rise up against evil. And obviously it's free will,
and that's why evil is allowed to occur, because of
the importance of free will. But his point that goodness
always rises up to combat evil, we saw that on 9-11,
we saw that at Columbine, we've seen that at so
many different ways. I believe it's absolutely true. You're on

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The Dan Kaplan Show.