This episode of the Dan Caplis Show is a must-listen for anyone concerned about the future of Colorado politics. Joining Heidi Gahnal in the studio is Robyn Carnes, a passionate advocate for fair representation and a voice for the silent majority. Together, they dive into the critical issue of the Democrats' proposed ballot initiative that would eliminate the independent Congressional Redistricting Commission and replace it with a map that would lock in seven seats leaning far left and one seat leaning right.
The conversation covers the importance of this issue, the potential consequences of the proposed changes, and the need for Colorado voters to take action. Robin Carns shares her expertise and insights, highlighting the need for a more balanced approach to redistricting and the importance of giving voters a voice in the process. The discussion also touches on the challenges facing the Republican Party in Colorado, including the need to build trust with donors and develop a clear plan for success.
Heidi and Robyn also discuss the upcoming Rocky Mountain Voice Freedom Festival, which promises to be an exciting event for conservatives in Colorado. With a lineup of talented speakers and musicians, this festival is a great opportunity for like-minded individuals to come together and make their voices heard.
Also, Craig Steiner joins the program to close out the show for two full segments after earning election as chair of the Colorado Republican Party.
If you're concerned about the future of Colorado politics and want to stay informed, tune in to this episode of the Dan Caplis Show to hear Heidi's full conversations with Robyn Carnes and Craig Steiner. Don't miss these insightful discussions on the critical issues facing our state and the importance of taking action to protect our rights and freedoms.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello everyone, and happy Monday. This is Heidigan All filling
in for Dan. I am so honored and pleased to
have my friend Robin Carnes in studio with me.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Robin, Welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Heidi.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's a treat to be here. It is a treat.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But being in politics and Colorado right now is not
a treat.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
No, it is so challenging. But we cannot just give up,
you know what I mean. We're here, so we might
as well do something productive, right or try.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You are a happy warrior. You always have bens. What
I love about you. Whenever I'm feeling down, I need
a little bit of Robin in my life, and I'm
good Robin.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
People don't know that you were a pastor.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Correct, Yes, yes I was. I went to seminary Denver' seminary.
My indergod was education and I went on and got
my master's in youth and Family Ministry from Denver Seminary.
I was a chaplain for seven years at Cherry Hills
Community Church and Cherry Hills Christian School, and so yes,
I have been. I've served in a marriad of different ways,
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all sort of public service, and then found my way
to politics like yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Oh yes, and right now you are helping lead the
effort to create awareness around this crazy redistricting proposal that
the Democrats have put forward. Tell us a little bit
about this and why it's so important, and I can
bring you back after the break if you can hang
on too, so we can take our time.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Yeah, that sounds great. Well it is, and it's really
flying under the radar, Heidi. In fact, you were a
big part of this initially, and so if I can
just back up a little bit and share part of
the full journey. In twenty eighteen, seventy one percent of
Colorado's voted, they said, we do not want politicians deciding
who's going to represent us at the congressional level. We
(01:56):
want to have our own voices. So they created it
in dependent commission, which you were part of, right, and
that independent commission consisted of four Dems, four Republicans, and
then four independents and they built balanced maps, so it
was four four map. It created one of the most
competitive seats in the country, which was Congressional District eight.
(02:18):
And there were not politicians in the room when they
were doing this, so it was really a map that
belonged to Colorado voters, all of them, not just one party.
But now here's what happened, and this is the threat
that's currently taking place in very few understand there are
new initiatives at work that would eliminate that independent Congressional
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Redistricting Commission and replace it with a map which would
lock seven seats leaning far left and one seat leaning right.
So you talk about unfair. There would only be one
seat really left to the voters. And so this is
something that again most people are unaware of. But this
(03:00):
is not a red versus blue issue. This is a
voters versus politicians, and it is why every single Colorado
needs to care. That's very well said.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And yes, it was amendments Y and Z, and it
was very popular and the commissions did great work and
came up with wonderful maps that have been very effective,
and they're just going to throw this out and it's
not going to affect this election coming out. This is
when we'll vote on the initiative, but then for twenty
twenty eight and twenty thirty, it would change the maps.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And that's right. Why do you think, I know.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
They had good reasons why they did this as a
temporary thing. Was it really just to use the talking
point like we just want to pay Trump back?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I think that's a big part of it. And this
is where you know you can look regardless of what
side of the fence you sit on, it's just unfair
whether you're look at Virginia, look at Illinois, look at Florida.
I mean, there's problems with both sides. It's simply making
the politicians have the power versus the people. And this
is where you know, Colorado is a pioneer seat. We
have always done things differently, and we can be different
(04:05):
I think we should continue choosing to lead differently. You
look at the majority of Colorado's we're independents, right, we're purple,
and so why are we giving all that power to
one side when the majority sit in the middle, that
silent majority in the middle, they're often not always as
vocal about things. You end up having extremes that are
(04:27):
very very vocal on these issues, but that's silent independent
majority in the middle. They need to speak up, and
they need to sort of wake up and see what's
happening and not just look at what's going on right
now until let's say Trump is done in office. But
what what are going to be the secondary and tertiary
impacts down the road? Right, we change the maps that
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you can't just undo that very easily. So Colorado you're
you're smart, Colorado You're you're very smart. We're well educated,
we have more degrees than anybody. Right, We're a beautiful state.
People are still flocking here, regardless of how expensive it
is to live. So we've got to use those wonderful
brains we've been given and think about what is truly
best for our state, for every voter, not just one side.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, I agree, Robin, and but here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
The Democrats have so much money and the ability to
message this however.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
They want to to make it look.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Very pretty and very like, very reasonable, and this is
what they'll do. And our side doesn't have enough money
to fight back. And it's very split. Even the donors
are split in Colorado. And I know that's played into
this a little bit. So yeah, before we go to break,
tell me what's going on in that regard.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yeah, you know, I'm glad you brought that up because
it's sort of a delicate situation. And i just want
to say, when I first dip my toe into the
water of politics, right that was probably seven years ago,
I asked the question, who is leading, where's the funding common,
where's the plan? And nobody could answer it. And seven
years later, after I have been a Centennial City Council
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after I meet a run for Colorado State Senate, losing
to an incumbent by only four percent in twenty twenty four,
and then you know, not being re elected to Centennial
City Council just this past year because of so many
other things going on in our in our nation, I'm
still asking that question, who's leading, where's the money coming from,
and what is the plan? And I'd love to give
(06:20):
you just a very humble perspective maybe after the break, Yep,
would that be good?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And afterwards, I'm going to have Craig Steiner on who's
the new head of the GOP. It was elected Saturday,
and I'm going to ask some questions along those lines yep,
about you know, how do we do this without money,
without trust from the donors, without I mean they've they've
basically just said, what am I investing in? There's nothing
to invest in anymore, right, And that's a very dangerous
(06:47):
place to be. So we've got to start by basic
blocking and tackling and winning their trust back and showing
them that you can get a return on those investments
if you invest in local races and you know, city
cats and county commission races and school board races. But
mainly've been burned and I've been burned. I've been you know,
(07:07):
an investor in a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Of these races.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And what's really scary to me is that we don't
have a plan right now.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
We don't and without a bullseye, people will never know
where to aim, right.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
And that's part of the problem.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
It's like we have I think there's everybody has multiple
bulls eyes, but we haven't come together, and so people
have to put their pride aside, right and they've got
to figure out what is the greater cause, what is
that stake? Because there's so much and we are on
the losing in right now. But I think we cannot
give up, you know, unless we're six feet under. If
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we're here, we got to keep on plugging along. Your
kids are here, My kids are here, and while we're here,
let's do something good or at least try, you know.
And I think if if we don't bite off, we
sometimes have to take a leap of faith, right, I'm
going to pull from my spiritual roots if we end
up going after something where we don't need that additional help.
(08:03):
It's all about individuals about man, and sometimes we have
to set a goal that's just audacious and just do
our part right, but then watch to see how things
can work well.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And I've been talking with Ryan a lot on ERA
over the last couple of times.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I've been on about Spencer.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Pratt and his la Mayor's race and how he was
ticked off dad. They burned his house down, they burned
his parents' house down, his kids school, they had to
switch schools. Like he's ticked off yep, and he's doing
this for all the right reasons. I know he has
a crazy pass and those of us that watched him
on the hills are like, this is Spencer the villain,
(08:40):
but he's he's got all the right moves right now again, yep.
I think we have to watch that and know that
politics is getting you know, turned on its head.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
And one of the things that I really can see
with Spencer Pratte, He's able to harness so many people's emotions, right,
and he's he's sort of like the lead and the
mouthpiece of what so many of us are feeling. I
think think so many Californias are feeling right now too,
and I think that's.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Why, Yes, Colorado too.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, we're doing the same things that California is. We
have the same issues homelessness, crime, affordability, and we could
do the same thing here.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
But you also have to have good messengers and people
that are willing to do it in an authentic way
yes and not crazy, yeah, I know, and be open
and be willing to debate issues and talk about things
and come up with good solutions and.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Oh it's exhausting, Yeah it is here. We are.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
We sit here on the radio as moms, as community leaders,
as people who really care and want to turn things around.
And when people say, oh my, oh my, mic just
went all right, this is how you can all filling
in for Dan Caplas has.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Been a wild ride today. We'll see you after the break.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Hello, it's Heidi Gannall filling in for Dan Caplis, and
I have my friend and awesome, awesome leader in our
conservative movement, Robin Carns here with me.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Hello Robin, Hello, sweet.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't know if you heard mister magician back there
in the music booth picked a song with Robin, who
sings that with a wyater name just like you.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Okay, that's good, Robin. I am not a bird.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I'm Rob Wya. People don't get that right.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's cute, that's cute. I wanted to read a couple
of comments. Dan, this was for us.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I guess no one says the word Colorado like Heidi
ganal do.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I say it weird Colorado.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
We all say it weird Colorado. And then you add
Colorado's Colorado? Yeah, Colorado?
Speaker 7 (10:38):
There it is. You just kind of said it, Rob.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Is it Colorado or Colorado Colorado? Colorado?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Depends if you're a northern nurse Southerner.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, okay, everybody text in and tell us what you think.
Text Dan to five seven, seven, three nine is it
Colorado or Colorado?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Is that lodo Colorado?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Like rat?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Like we're a rat radical man radical.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, all right, so now let's see another couple comments.
May all the independence need to rise up and get
rid of both parties.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Neither party is helping the majority.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, that sounds great, but in reality it doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, it's tough, and there's a really I'll tell you what,
there's a big there's a I would say one of
the most strategic parties out there right now is the
Forward Party. They are the largest party of independence and
they have definitely made their presence stone kind of around
the nation. They actually backed me when I did my
Senate race and my council race, and they're they are
trying to be a home for people that are fed
(11:36):
up with both parties and to come come be the middle.
But you're right, there's there's some there's some aspects to
that that aren't real clean, that don't always work, and
so I want to see I'd like to see what
they could do. They're they're looking at states like Colorado
where there's a huge independent majority and and how to
make inroads.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
But again, the big promise funding.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, Robin I have this argument about the unaffiliated independent
talking point is that when.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
You look at the data, they usually vote the same
way every time.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yes, they do.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And so sixty five percent of the independence vote for
Democrats in Colorado and thirty five percent vote for Republicans
in Colorado. And there's a little bit of a wiggle
room there, maybe five to seven percent will vote either way.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And so the.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Reality is more like we're we're a very heavy blue state.
If you put people in their camps and I call
them u rs and uds.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. Well, and what's interesting is most
of your like, let's just say you ares and I
know right they are. They're fed up with something going
on in the party, right, they don't like Trump, they
don't like a particular leader that we have, and so
they decide to jump ship. And I always say, it's
kind of like family. You know, I just got done
with a We had a family wedding this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
It was a blast.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
But we all have that family member that is just
a little odd, but we don't have them from the family,
or we don't leave the family, right, We're family, So
we stick it out because we align around principles. So
that's kind of why, even though I haven't loved everything
the Republican Party has done, I'm still part of the family.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, and we are. We're a rocket crew, That's right,
we are, and we like to tussle.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And we did have an election for a new chair,
which we're gonna have Craig Steiner on after the break
who's the new GOP chair? And I don't know if
that'll change much because the fighting goes on at the
county level, at the local level, online, offline, everywhere, Like
every other day there's somebody new I'm supposed to be
mad at on our side, and it's exhausting. And I
(13:31):
just went to Florida for a week and with the family,
we took our kids and each kid brought a friend.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh it was fun though, but it's so peaceful down there.
And I don't mean like just the weather and like
the scene. I mean the conversations and the politics. I
was wearing an xxxy shirt from Jens that said save
Girls Sports on it, and the guy at the restaurant,
(13:58):
who we'd been at this restaurant a couple time, was like, Heidi,
what does that shirt mean? I go, well, it means
don't let biological boys play in girls' sports.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And he goes, is that a thing. I'm like, oh, dude, like.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Colorado, it's a thing, it's not a thing.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, And he just said we don't let that happen here.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm like, yeah, because you have a really kick butt
governor who puts a.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Climp on this stuff, yes, and doesn't allow it.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And man, it would be so fun to see Colorado
with strong conservative leadership just flip this state around. That's
why I'm rooting for Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt because
I think there are hail mary to see.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
If anything can happen on that front. I don't know
if it will, and I don't know if the Democrats
will honestly let.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Happen in California, Which goes back to our conversation with
John Case about what has to happen with elections here
and back to what we were talking about earlier. This
ballot initiative that the Democrats have already gotten approval to
put on the ballot that will move us from four
to four out of our eight congressional districts for Democrat
for Republican right now pretty even to seven to one,
(15:04):
so we will be left with one congressional district, which
if I understand it correctly, would basically be Douglas County
in Olpaso County.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And that's it.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
And you know, I was just way out east shown
homes and we were having this conversation with some of
my clients, and they said, it just stinks we will
never have a voice again. We represent farmers and ranchers
and we're a huge you know, we do a lot
of good for this state. But they're not going to
be heard. And so they were just happy. It wasn't
even mad. They were just sad.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
They're sad.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
It was like, why don't we matter?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Why do those folks think they're better than us to
the point where our voice doesn't matter. They can do
it better than anyone else. That's just arrogant. Well, and
it's arrogant.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I believe they truly think their solutions.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Are better than ours.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But then you look at the results in the Red
States and how much better business is doing and how
much better kids are doing in school, and the thing
that gives me a little bit of hope is Florida
was dark. It was pretty blue, it's pretty hardcore blue.
And now it's the reddest of the red. And so
I do think politics swings back and forth.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But it's been twenty long years here, Yes it has.
But we were all read before that, right, right.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
And it goes back to how do we get here?
How do we get here? We got here very intentionally.
You read the blueprint. I read the blueprint. We know
the Gang of Four, we know how very strategically. I
mean I read that book, Heidi, And this was again
dipping my toe into politics seven years ago, and went, oh,
my goodness, we could do the same thing. Let's just
write a strategic plan and let's just do it better. Right,
(16:37):
let's do it again. Where's the money, where's the plan?
Who's funding? And how are we going to do this?
And it's like we're just so divided. Independent can be
your greatest strength and your greatest weakness. And I think
that we're to the point where it's our greatest weakness
because then there's backbiting, right, But eventually you watch and
people will just turn on themselves, and parties will turn
on themselves, and a house divided cannot stand. We're not standing.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
We're not We're not see any Well, something people need
to understand with this ballot initiative.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Does it have a name yet or a number?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Let me see here.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's okay, it doesn't matter. It's the Democrat's evil ballot initiative.
Let's just call it that. So it'll be on the
ballot for sure this November, and it will impact the
elections in twenty twenty eight and twenty thirty. Yes, yes,
and probably become permanent yep.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
And that right there is why it's so dangerous, because
it's not just a one year or two year thing.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So we have two different ballot initiatives on the Conservative
Republican side, yes, and they're put forward by two different
groups yep. And they have different funders yep. And they
have different people leading those yes.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
So let's come together. I mean, two is better than one,
right right?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
All right, Well, thank you Robin for giving us some
clarity on this. We'll keep an eye on it, we'll
write about it at R and V. This is Hidig
and All filling in for dan Kaplus.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hello, everyone, it's Heidiegan. All filling in for Dan Caplis
today and we're.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Headed already headed into the last half hour.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
This show has flown by, but I'm really excited to
talk to Craig Steiner, who has just elected the GOP
chair of the party. Craig, welcome to the show. And boy,
did you get yourself into a big job here.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Yes, I would agree with that, Craig. Yeah, the last
forty eight hours have been very intense.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I bet, I bet, tell us a little bit about
who you are and why you wanted to take on
this job.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Well, I am Craig Steiner, and did I want to
take on this job? This was This was not a.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Goal of mine. But when Brita resigned.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
A couple of months ago and my wife heard that,
she said, hey, to Burger resign, I said, I don't know,
and so she said yes, she did, you should run
for chair And I said no, thank you. And we
got some feedback from a friend of ours, David Carlo,
who's a vice chair in Douglas County. He said the
same thing, and again I said no. But after I
met with Senator Baisley about a week later about some
(19:20):
unrelated stuff, after we discussed that, then he said you
need to think about running for state chair, and so
I got enough feedback that I thought I should consider it.
So I gave it some thought, prayed about it, and
ultimately decided that I saw the logic in doing so.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
So that's here I am, Craig.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I want to ask you a question. Maybe you don't
know the answer.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yet because you've had forty eight hours, but what does
success look.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Like in the midterms for the Republican Party?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
You have a very short runway, We have a lot
of drama going on in our party, We don't have
a lot of money. What would give us some wins
to get some confidence back.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Well, I think fixing everything that you just mentioned that
would be great. So that's what we're trying to do.
First of all, the ultimate metric of success is obviously
winning elections, so that's our goal, and try to flip
some seats where we can and win the upticket races
where we can.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That's obviously the top goal. But to do that requires.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Getting fund raising back in order, and that requires getting
some stability in the party. And I'm having conversations already
with some of the conflicts that are going on in
the party and trying to sort those out. If we
can get people focused on get out the vote more
than the internal strife, then I think we'll be in
a good place. So I think success looks like winning races,
(20:36):
but it also is involved in raising money and getting
us out of the legal and debt situation that we
have right now. So if we could do that, then
we'll be ending the year very well.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
That sounds fabulous if we can do that.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And I think you may have heard Ryan and I
talking about it earlier, but I'm really worried about the
four congressional races that we hold and what the Democrats
are up to with this redistricting ballot initiation, and we've
got to really light people up about this. And we've
also got the Protect Color of Kids three Vallid initiatives
on to get people to turn out.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
But I do think you're right that turnout is a
huge problem in the conservative movement.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And Robin Carnson and I were talking a little bit
about the numbers we have horrible turnout for Republicans in
off years like non presidential years. I mean, it depends
on I guess who you're asking what's horrible, But say
it's seventy to seventy five percent. That's leaving almost three
hundred thousand ballots on the counter at home that people
aren't turning in that could it would be a very
easy way to start to shift the tide there.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
Right, That comes back to get out the vote and
certainly all the campaigning that goes along with that. You're right,
that's an ongoing problem and if we can fix what
happens in the midterms, that would be huge. So I
think with the bout initiatives that you met mentioned, I
think that's going to help a lot, but we're going
to have to do the work on the ground to
actually turn out those Republicans and the unaffiliated.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Is that lean our way and get them to vote.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So, Craig, what's your biggest fear or like your biggest
worry that keeps you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Up at night about taking on this job. There's so many.
I'm sure that.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
They're expanding, and maybe the answer changes minute to minute,
but there is just there's just so much stuff going
on at the legal level, the financial level, and the
internal strife you're talking about, And as much as I
want to dispatch them quickly, it turns out that the
number of things that I'm finding out that are out
there are increasing, well they're not increasing in real time,
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and I'm becoming aware of them in the increasing rates.
So it is a lot of work, and it's been
NonStop since since I got elected. And that's just the thing.
I'm wondering how much more there is to learn about
what's going on, And.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
We'll just have to cross that bridge when we come
to it.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And it's like you're fixing a company. You're going in
and you've been dropped into place as a new CEO
to kind of reboot the company and take a look
with fresh eyes and figure out where the problems are,
where the opportunities are.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Part of that is building teams.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So I know Eric Krossman when he came in to
take over when Brita resigned, he let a.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Lot of people go from the executive.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Committee and you know people who are surrounded surrounding Brita
and replace them. Are you going to bring in your
own team or are you going to give it some time?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Do you know who you want on your team yet?
Speaker 8 (23:23):
I have some ideas of who I want, But right now,
the fire hose of information and the phone calls at
all all kinds of levels.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I'm just need I.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Need to get up to date of where we are
right and then I need to look at that. But yes,
I'll be bringing in my own people, for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And one of the things you're really good at is data.
And I've been harping on this for a while, is
we don't have consistent data among our candidates and our
ballot initiatives and our party. And if we could get
everybody using the same data and constantly improving that data
set and using the same technology so everybody knows how
to use it, I think that's a huge problem.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
How do we fix that part of it? Because I
think you have some good solutions, sure well.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
And that's something that I was campaigning on. We've had
problems in the past with the certainly with the data,
but alo also the system seemed to come and go,
and then the information that's collected when candidates and the
volunteers are doing get out the Vote goes into the system,
but it's very hard for the counties or the candidates
to then get that information back out. And that's been
an ongoing problem for for as long as I was
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in politics, from two thousand and nine on. So I've
developed a system that came out of when I was
a secretary and chairman in Douglas County to get out
the vote system that I offer to any county that
needs it, that wants it, and so if those counties
that want it, it's going to be available. And the
good thing about that, in addition to it being available
for no cost of the party, is that data is available.
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After it goes in by the county or the candidate,
they can actually get it back. It doesn't just go
into a black hole that we never see again. So
hopefully that hopefully that'll be something that we can leverage.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, it seems like hunger games with the data on
our side, and it's so annoying. It's like, well, if
we would all share experiences, like if we go knock
a door and it's not the right person that's listed
there and we fix it, then the next candidate doesn't
have to worry about that and then everybody does better.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But that doesn't seem like that's the way it works.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
How do you think AI is going to play into
how we move forward as a party as candidates as
Republicans in Colorado?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
If it does well, there's definitely a place for it.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
I'm actually planning on attending a conference about that this
weekend to see what they've got going on, and I'll
be educating myself on that, to be quite honest, in
terms of how hey I can play into campaigns.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
It's certainly complain into the digital aspect.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
I'll be curious to see what they have to say
about what can go on on the ground.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
One of the things that's been pretty important to me
since I ran for Governor Craig is well two things.
One is publishing the craziest That's why I started Rocky
Mountain Voice to just make sure we had really talented journalists,
whether they were citizen journalists or our paid staff, that
we're telling the stories that weren't getting told by the
liberal media. And the other thing was making it fun
to be a conservative again. So that's why we're putting
on the Rocky Mountain Voice Freedom Fest and trying to
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bring thousands of conservatives together across Colorado to have a
great time and break bread together and enjoy some really
talented speakers and musicians in a rodeo. But a lot
of this takes money. It takes concentrated effort. It takes
all of us playing nice in the sandbox, and so
I think that's been really frustrating to watch people try
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and do good things in this party and a lot
of people don't want that to happen, or like there's
this competition going on and we only have a minute
before the break. I hope you'll stay on if you
can to talk a little bit more after the ads,
But let me know what your take is on that.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Well, yeah, I think that's that's very true.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
And that's what I've noticed when I was making calls
campaigning for this, talking to as many Central Committee members
as I could. There are so many good people in
this party that there's so much potential. And I've talked
to one person that's, you know, a very good person
and they have a huge conflict with another person that
I find is a very good person. So I think
if we get some of the more of the in
person or at least on the phone one on one
conversations going, I think that would go a long way.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, thanks, Craig, and if are you able to stay
on till after the break, I'd be fine.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Great.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
All right, This is Hidi Ganaal filling in for Dan Capleas.
We'll be back with Craig Steiner, the new leader of
the Republican Party in Colorado.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Hello, Hello, Hello, It's Heidi Ganal on a Monday afternoon
filling in for Dan Caples, and I have Craig Steiner
with me, who is our new leader of the Republican
Party in Colorado. Craig, I would tell you to drink
cavalie to get ready for this job.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
No, you need to be weightlifting in the basement, getting
ready and getting stronger. Somebody texted me and said, let
this guy have a honeymoon.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Please stop with the hard questions. I don't think you're
that kind of guy. I think you'd like these questions.
But am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Fine, they're fine?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay, So I am going to ask you a tough
question because I get this all the time. What about
the opt out? What's going to happen with the opt
out situation?
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Well, the opt out isn't really even an issue now
until next year. We've gotten past all that this year,
so that from now until through November at least, we
can be focused on get out the vote. It's ultimately
up to the body of the State Central Committee to
decide next year whether or not to opt out in
twenty twenty eight. But right now, the focus is really
just on get out the vote and fixing.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
All these on the two in terms of fundraising and
the infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, and I think that does lead to a question
with Tina Peters getting out today, like about elections and
election integrity here in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
What's your take on the elections.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
If you don't want to really want to dive in there, that's.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Okay, Well, we'll get you next time.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I think it's a really important issue to a
lot of Republicans and I haven't seen your take on
that right.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Well, my position is we definitely have a problem in
Colorado whatever, especially since twenty thirteen, excuse me, when the
Democrats really loosened.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Up our election laws. And it's you know, it's an
open question.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
You can get points of view on both sides as
to whether what's going on, but the reality is the
laws that we have in Colorado do not make it
look like the Democrats want to reduce fraud.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
If anything, they want to make it more possible.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
You don't send out ballots to people who haven't voted
in multiple cycles, unless you want those ballots floating out there.
So I think what we really need to do is
we need we need to win some elections with the
situation we have, which is obviously the challenge, so that
we can close some of these loopholes and problems that
are that are in the law.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
We just have to deal with it that way.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, And one thing I've talked to folks about is
you've got to go to the county level if you
want to work on elections in Colorado, because you have
no control at the statewide level. And so if you
work with your county commissioners, which I think we have
a Republican majority of county commissioners in Colorado. They hire
and fire the county attorney who has a lot of
support or control over the county clerk's office, and a
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lot of the county clerks are terrified to step out
or do anything different or even audit their own systems.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Which it cracks me up in Colorado in.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
A horrible way that Jenna Griswold is the one who
audits herself, like the elections are audited by the election
officials at the state here in Colorado, and that's just ridiculous.
We can't even move it to the audit Department in
the government like they wouldn't the Legislative Committee wuldn't even
agree to do that. So I think we've got a
lot of work to do there. But I think that's
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more of a local issue. What's the feedback you're getting
from your local county chairs about what you need to
do first, Because I'm sure you've gotten a lot of that,
but from the county level, the leaders at the county level,
what are they asking for.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Well, I'm still trying to find out, because the emails
are coming in faster than I can read them, as
are the texts and the phone calls. They're very supportive
and that's very encouraging, and there's been so much outpouring
of offers to help as we move forward, and so
I think the county organizations that's part of what I'm
going to find out.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I mentioned that my my speech.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
After I got elected on Saturday, that I was going
to be sending out an email to all the county
party chairs to ask precisely that question, to know exactly
what they need where they're at, if they're doing great.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Great.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
If they need some help with systems or whatever, then
to let us know so we know who needs what.
And so that's an ongoing question and we're going to
we're going to find out and address that.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Okay, other than I know you need money, you need
to refill the coffers, which how can people donate? How
do they best donate and how Like I know a
lot of people feel really uncomfortable about the legal bills
and what's going on with their Can you compartmentalize the
money so that you can spend it on certain efforts
or how does that work?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Well?
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Right now, I and the county party chairs will probably
love this. If people are ready to donate really quickly,
they can still donate to the county parties and there's
no issue there, and I will you know, we have
to resolve some issues at the state party level. So
if they're again rearing to donate money, let's go county
for now. But we're going to get this reversus very quickly,
and so hopefully I can talk to you in another
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week or two and we'll have better answers for that.
But I think things are looking promising, so we won't
be stuck very long.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Good good, and we do have some tremendous leaders at
the local level across the state. I just think there's
some of the hardest working people in the country here
in Colorado trying to hold the wall up against the
craziness that's happening in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
But thanks Craig for joining us.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm gonna let you go a little early so I
can wrap with Rian, but I really appreciate you spending
some time. I know you've been doing a lot over
the last forty hours. We wish you the best of luck,
and I know you've got an incredible skill set and
you're gonna make some good happen.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Thank you very much, Heidi. I appreciate that. Look forward
to talking to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Sounds great. Take care all right, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, you talked to Craig earlier this morning. I think
he has some good ideas about how to tackle this,
and I think taking a deep breath and letting the
counties give him feedback on how to fix some of
these problems is a good approach.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
Smart guy, lucid guy, tremendous background as a software engineer,
which I think dovetails really nicely into looking under the
hood on election integrity and how these voting systems are operating,
where the problems might be.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
I mean, he has a.
Speaker 9 (33:13):
Really laser focused approach on where we need to be
looking as it pertains to that. I think he's got
a good, sensible, grounded, common sense approach to leading the party.
Probably a good idea with such a short ramp up.
Now we're almost exactly what five months out from the
general election and election day, and it goes back to
the pragmatic.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Things you're talking about, Heidi.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
How do we make sure we keep these four congressional
seats in Republican hands, meaning Gabe Evans.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Lauren Boebert, Jeff Crank, Jeff Hurd.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
And we're so fortunate that in a state that's as
blue as ours, that we're evenly divided four and four
in the Congress. And to me, that would be the
biggest victory of Alves if we can maintain each of
those four seats.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, and you know what, let's have some fun as
Republicans and come together as Constuservatives on June twenty sixth
and twenty seventh at the Rocky Mountain Voice Freedom Festival.
You can find out more at RMV Rmvfreedomfest dot.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Com and we would love to have you join us.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
There's all kinds of different ticket packages, different events.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
We're gonna have great gut filled.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Dog the Bounty Hunter Friday night to celebrate law enforcement.
Nick Sureley will be one of our keynotes, Doctor Robert Malone,
Laura Logan. We're gonna be making a special announcement on
Friday about a certain Trump administration official who's going to
be here. Oh, everybody, get your tickets. It's going to
be a great time. Thanks for having me today. Thanks
for putting up with me.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Ryan. Oh yeah, my technology challenges mine too, by the way,
and we got through it. This is how you know,
filling in for Dan Cap.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Let's have a great Monday, everyone,
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello everyone, and happy Monday. This is Heidigan All filling
in for Dan. I am so honored and pleased to
have my friend Robin Carnes in studio with me.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Robin, Welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Heidi.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It's a treat to be here. It is a treat.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
But being in politics and Colorado right now is not
a treat.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
No, it is so challenging. But we cannot just give up,
you know what I mean. We're here, so we might
as well do something productive, right or try.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You are a happy warrior. You always have bens. What
I love about you. Whenever I'm feeling down, I need
a little bit of Robin in my life, and I'm
good Robin.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
People don't know that you were a pastor.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
Correct, Yes, yes I was. I went to seminary Denver' seminary.
My indergod was education and I went on and got
my master's in youth and Family Ministry from Denver Seminary.
I was a chaplain for seven years at Cherry Hills
Community Church and Cherry Hills Christian School, and so yes,
I have been. I've served in a marriad of different ways,
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all sort of public service, and then found my way
to politics like yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Oh yes, and right now you are helping lead the
effort to create awareness around this crazy redistricting proposal that
the Democrats have put forward. Tell us a little bit
about this and why it's so important, and I can
bring you back after the break if you can hang
on too, so we can take our time.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Yeah, that sounds great. Well it is, and it's really
flying under the radar, Heidi. In fact, you were a
big part of this initially, and so if I can
just back up a little bit and share part of
the full journey. In twenty eighteen, seventy one percent of
Colorado's voted, they said, we do not want politicians deciding
who's going to represent us at the congressional level. We
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want to have our own voices. So they created it
in dependent commission, which you were part of, right, and
that independent commission consisted of four Dems, four Republicans, and
then four independents and they built balanced maps, so it
was four four map. It created one of the most
competitive seats in the country, which was Congressional District eight.
(02:18):
And there were not politicians in the room when they
were doing this, so it was really a map that
belonged to Colorado voters, all of them, not just one party.
But now here's what happened, and this is the threat
that's currently taking place in very few understand there are
new initiatives at work that would eliminate that independent Congressional
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Redistricting Commission and replace it with a map which would
lock seven seats leaning far left and one seat leaning right.
So you talk about unfair. There would only be one
seat really left to the voters. And so this is
something that again most people are unaware of. But this
(03:00):
is not a red versus blue issue. This is a
voters versus politicians, and it is why every single Colorado
needs to care. That's very well said.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And yes, it was amendments Y and Z, and it
was very popular and the commissions did great work and
came up with wonderful maps that have been very effective,
and they're just going to throw this out and it's
not going to affect this election coming out. This is
when we'll vote on the initiative, but then for twenty
twenty eight and twenty thirty, it would change the maps.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
And that's right. Why do you think, I know.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
They had good reasons why they did this as a
temporary thing. Was it really just to use the talking
point like we just want to pay Trump back?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I think that's a big part of it. And this
is where you know you can look regardless of what
side of the fence you sit on, it's just unfair
whether you're look at Virginia, look at Illinois, look at Florida.
I mean, there's problems with both sides. It's simply making
the politicians have the power versus the people. And this
is where you know, Colorado is a pioneer seat. We
have always done things differently, and we can be different
(04:05):
I think we should continue choosing to lead differently. You
look at the majority of Colorado's we're independents, right, we're purple,
and so why are we giving all that power to
one side when the majority sit in the middle, that
silent majority in the middle, they're often not always as
vocal about things. You end up having extremes that are
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very very vocal on these issues, but that's silent independent
majority in the middle. They need to speak up, and
they need to sort of wake up and see what's
happening and not just look at what's going on right
now until let's say Trump is done in office. But
what what are going to be the secondary and tertiary
impacts down the road? Right, we change the maps that
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you can't just undo that very easily. So Colorado you're
you're smart, Colorado You're you're very smart. We're well educated,
we have more degrees than anybody. Right, We're a beautiful state.
People are still flocking here, regardless of how expensive it
is to live. So we've got to use those wonderful
brains we've been given and think about what is truly
best for our state, for every voter, not just one side.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Well, I agree, Robin, and but here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
The Democrats have so much money and the ability to
message this however.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
They want to to make it look.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Very pretty and very like, very reasonable, and this is
what they'll do. And our side doesn't have enough money
to fight back. And it's very split. Even the donors
are split in Colorado. And I know that's played into
this a little bit. So yeah, before we go to break,
tell me what's going on in that regard.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Yeah, you know, I'm glad you brought that up because
it's sort of a delicate situation. And i just want
to say, when I first dip my toe into the
water of politics, right that was probably seven years ago,
I asked the question, who is leading, where's the funding common,
where's the plan? And nobody could answer it. And seven
years later, after I have been a Centennial City Council
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after I meet a run for Colorado State Senate, losing
to an incumbent by only four percent in twenty twenty four,
and then you know, not being re elected to Centennial
City Council just this past year because of so many
other things going on in our in our nation, I'm
still asking that question, who's leading, where's the money coming from,
and what is the plan? And I'd love to give
(06:20):
you just a very humble perspective maybe after the break, Yep,
would that be good?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And afterwards, I'm going to have Craig Steiner on who's
the new head of the GOP. It was elected Saturday,
and I'm going to ask some questions along those lines yep,
about you know, how do we do this without money,
without trust from the donors, without I mean they've they've
basically just said, what am I investing in? There's nothing
to invest in anymore, right, And that's a very dangerous
(06:47):
place to be. So we've got to start by basic
blocking and tackling and winning their trust back and showing
them that you can get a return on those investments
if you invest in local races and you know, city
cats and county commission races and school board races. But
mainly've been burned and I've been burned. I've been you know,
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an investor in a lot.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Of these races.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And what's really scary to me is that we don't
have a plan right now.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
We don't and without a bullseye, people will never know
where to aim, right.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
And that's part of the problem.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
It's like we have I think there's everybody has multiple
bulls eyes, but we haven't come together, and so people
have to put their pride aside, right and they've got
to figure out what is the greater cause, what is
that stake? Because there's so much and we are on
the losing in right now. But I think we cannot
give up, you know, unless we're six feet under. If
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we're here, we got to keep on plugging along. Your
kids are here, My kids are here, and while we're here,
let's do something good or at least try, you know.
And I think if if we don't bite off, we
sometimes have to take a leap of faith, right, I'm
going to pull from my spiritual roots if we end
up going after something where we don't need that additional help.
(08:03):
It's all about individuals about man, and sometimes we have
to set a goal that's just audacious and just do
our part right, but then watch to see how things
can work well.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And I've been talking with Ryan a lot on ERA
over the last couple of times.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I've been on about Spencer.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Pratt and his la Mayor's race and how he was
ticked off dad. They burned his house down, they burned
his parents' house down, his kids school, they had to
switch schools. Like he's ticked off yep, and he's doing
this for all the right reasons. I know he has
a crazy pass and those of us that watched him
on the hills are like, this is Spencer the villain,
(08:40):
but he's he's got all the right moves right now again, yep.
I think we have to watch that and know that
politics is getting you know, turned on its head.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
And one of the things that I really can see
with Spencer Pratte, He's able to harness so many people's emotions, right,
and he's he's sort of like the lead and the
mouthpiece of what so many of us are feeling. I
think think so many Californias are feeling right now too,
and I think that's.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
Why, Yes, Colorado too.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, we're doing the same things that California is. We
have the same issues homelessness, crime, affordability, and we could
do the same thing here.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
But you also have to have good messengers and people
that are willing to do it in an authentic way
yes and not crazy, yeah, I know, and be open
and be willing to debate issues and talk about things
and come up with good solutions and.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Oh it's exhausting, Yeah it is here. We are.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
We sit here on the radio as moms, as community leaders,
as people who really care and want to turn things around.
And when people say, oh my, oh my, mic just
went all right, this is how you can all filling
in for Dan Caplas has.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Been a wild ride today. We'll see you after the break.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Hello, it's Heidi Gannall filling in for Dan Caplis, and
I have my friend and awesome, awesome leader in our
conservative movement, Robin Carns here with me.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Hello Robin, Hello, sweet.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I don't know if you heard mister magician back there
in the music booth picked a song with Robin, who
sings that with a wyater name just like you.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Okay, that's good, Robin. I am not a bird.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I'm Rob Wya. People don't get that right.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
That's cute, that's cute. I wanted to read a couple
of comments. Dan, this was for us.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I guess no one says the word Colorado like Heidi
ganal do.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I say it weird Colorado.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
We all say it weird Colorado. And then you add
Colorado's Colorado? Yeah, Colorado?
Speaker 7 (10:38):
There it is. You just kind of said it, Rob.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Is it Colorado or Colorado Colorado? Colorado?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Depends if you're a northern nurse Southerner.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, okay, everybody text in and tell us what you think.
Text Dan to five seven, seven, three nine is it
Colorado or Colorado?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Is that lodo Colorado?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Like rat?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Like we're a rat radical man radical.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Okay, all right, so now let's see another couple comments.
May all the independence need to rise up and get
rid of both parties.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Neither party is helping the majority.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, that sounds great, but in reality it doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, it's tough, and there's a really I'll tell you what,
there's a big there's a I would say one of
the most strategic parties out there right now is the
Forward Party. They are the largest party of independence and
they have definitely made their presence stone kind of around
the nation. They actually backed me when I did my
Senate race and my council race, and they're they are
trying to be a home for people that are fed
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up with both parties and to come come be the middle.
But you're right, there's there's some there's some aspects to
that that aren't real clean, that don't always work, and
so I want to see I'd like to see what
they could do. They're they're looking at states like Colorado
where there's a huge independent majority and and how to
make inroads.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
But again, the big promise funding.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, Robin I have this argument about the unaffiliated independent
talking point is that when.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
You look at the data, they usually vote the same
way every time.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yes, they do.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And so sixty five percent of the independence vote for
Democrats in Colorado and thirty five percent vote for Republicans
in Colorado. And there's a little bit of a wiggle
room there, maybe five to seven percent will vote either way.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And so the.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Reality is more like we're we're a very heavy blue state.
If you put people in their camps and I call
them u rs and uds.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, that's absolutely right. Well, and what's interesting is most
of your like, let's just say you ares and I
know right they are. They're fed up with something going
on in the party, right, they don't like Trump, they
don't like a particular leader that we have, and so
they decide to jump ship. And I always say, it's
kind of like family. You know, I just got done
with a We had a family wedding this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
It was a blast.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
But we all have that family member that is just
a little odd, but we don't have them from the family,
or we don't leave the family, right, We're family, So
we stick it out because we align around principles. So
that's kind of why, even though I haven't loved everything
the Republican Party has done, I'm still part of the family.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, and we are. We're a rocket crew, That's right,
we are, and we like to tussle.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And we did have an election for a new chair,
which we're gonna have Craig Steiner on after the break
who's the new GOP chair? And I don't know if
that'll change much because the fighting goes on at the
county level, at the local level, online, offline, everywhere, Like
every other day there's somebody new I'm supposed to be
mad at on our side, and it's exhausting. And I
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just went to Florida for a week and with the family,
we took our kids and each kid brought a friend.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
It was crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh it was fun though, but it's so peaceful down there.
And I don't mean like just the weather and like
the scene. I mean the conversations and the politics. I
was wearing an xxxy shirt from Jens that said save
Girls Sports on it, and the guy at the restaurant,
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who we'd been at this restaurant a couple time, was like, Heidi,
what does that shirt mean? I go, well, it means
don't let biological boys play in girls' sports.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And he goes, is that a thing. I'm like, oh, dude, like.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Colorado, it's a thing, it's not a thing.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, And he just said we don't let that happen here.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm like, yeah, because you have a really kick butt
governor who puts a.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Climp on this stuff, yes, and doesn't allow it.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And man, it would be so fun to see Colorado
with strong conservative leadership just flip this state around. That's
why I'm rooting for Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt because
I think there are hail mary to see.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
If anything can happen on that front. I don't know
if it will, and I don't know if the Democrats
will honestly let.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Happen in California, Which goes back to our conversation with
John Case about what has to happen with elections here
and back to what we were talking about earlier. This
ballot initiative that the Democrats have already gotten approval to
put on the ballot that will move us from four
to four out of our eight congressional districts for Democrat
for Republican right now pretty even to seven to one,
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so we will be left with one congressional district, which
if I understand it correctly, would basically be Douglas County
in Olpaso County.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And that's it.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
And you know, I was just way out east shown
homes and we were having this conversation with some of
my clients, and they said, it just stinks we will
never have a voice again. We represent farmers and ranchers
and we're a huge you know, we do a lot
of good for this state. But they're not going to
be heard. And so they were just happy. It wasn't
even mad. They were just sad.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
They're sad.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
It was like, why don't we matter?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Why do those folks think they're better than us to
the point where our voice doesn't matter. They can do
it better than anyone else. That's just arrogant. Well, and
it's arrogant.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I believe they truly think their solutions.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Are better than ours.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But then you look at the results in the Red
States and how much better business is doing and how
much better kids are doing in school, and the thing
that gives me a little bit of hope is Florida
was dark. It was pretty blue, it's pretty hardcore blue.
And now it's the reddest of the red. And so
I do think politics swings back and forth.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But it's been twenty long years here, Yes it has.
But we were all read before that, right, right.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
And it goes back to how do we get here?
How do we get here? We got here very intentionally.
You read the blueprint. I read the blueprint. We know
the Gang of Four, we know how very strategically. I
mean I read that book, Heidi, And this was again
dipping my toe into politics seven years ago, and went, oh,
my goodness, we could do the same thing. Let's just
write a strategic plan and let's just do it better. Right,
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let's do it again. Where's the money, where's the plan?
Who's funding? And how are we going to do this?
And it's like we're just so divided. Independent can be
your greatest strength and your greatest weakness. And I think
that we're to the point where it's our greatest weakness
because then there's backbiting, right, But eventually you watch and
people will just turn on themselves, and parties will turn
on themselves, and a house divided cannot stand. We're not standing.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
We're not We're not see any Well, something people need
to understand with this ballot initiative.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Does it have a name yet or a number?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Let me see here.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's okay, it doesn't matter. It's the Democrat's evil ballot initiative.
Let's just call it that. So it'll be on the
ballot for sure this November, and it will impact the
elections in twenty twenty eight and twenty thirty. Yes, yes,
and probably become permanent yep.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
And that right there is why it's so dangerous, because
it's not just a one year or two year thing.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So we have two different ballot initiatives on the Conservative
Republican side, yes, and they're put forward by two different
groups yep. And they have different funders yep. And they
have different people leading those yes.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
So let's come together. I mean, two is better than one,
right right?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:46):
All right, Well, thank you Robin for giving us some
clarity on this. We'll keep an eye on it, we'll
write about it at R and V. This is Hidig
and All filling in for dan Kaplus.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
We'll be right back.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
You're listening to the Dan Caplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hello, everyone, it's Heidiegan. All filling in for Dan Caplis
today and we're.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Headed already headed into the last half hour.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
This show has flown by, but I'm really excited to
talk to Craig Steiner, who has just elected the GOP
chair of the party. Craig, welcome to the show. And boy,
did you get yourself into a big job here.
Speaker 8 (18:35):
Yes, I would agree with that, Craig. Yeah, the last
forty eight hours have been very intense.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I bet, I bet, tell us a little bit about
who you are and why you wanted to take on
this job.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Well, I am Craig Steiner, and did I want to
take on this job? This was This was not a.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Goal of mine. But when Brita resigned.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
A couple of months ago and my wife heard that,
she said, hey, to Burger resign, I said, I don't know,
and so she said yes, she did, you should run
for chair And I said no, thank you. And we
got some feedback from a friend of ours, David Carlo,
who's a vice chair in Douglas County. He said the
same thing, and again I said no. But after I
met with Senator Baisley about a week later about some
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unrelated stuff, after we discussed that, then he said you
need to think about running for state chair, and so
I got enough feedback that I thought I should consider it.
So I gave it some thought, prayed about it, and
ultimately decided that I saw the logic in doing so.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
So that's here I am, Craig.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I want to ask you a question. Maybe you don't
know the answer.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yet because you've had forty eight hours, but what does
success look.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Like in the midterms for the Republican Party?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
You have a very short runway, We have a lot
of drama going on in our party, We don't have
a lot of money. What would give us some wins
to get some confidence back.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
Well, I think fixing everything that you just mentioned that
would be great. So that's what we're trying to do.
First of all, the ultimate metric of success is obviously
winning elections, so that's our goal, and try to flip
some seats where we can and win the upticket races
where we can.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That's obviously the top goal. But to do that requires.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Getting fund raising back in order, and that requires getting
some stability in the party. And I'm having conversations already
with some of the conflicts that are going on in
the party and trying to sort those out. If we
can get people focused on get out the vote more
than the internal strife, then I think we'll be in
a good place. So I think success looks like winning races,
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but it also is involved in raising money and getting
us out of the legal and debt situation that we
have right now. So if we could do that, then
we'll be ending the year very well.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
That sounds fabulous if we can do that.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And I think you may have heard Ryan and I
talking about it earlier, but I'm really worried about the
four congressional races that we hold and what the Democrats
are up to with this redistricting ballot initiation, and we've
got to really light people up about this. And we've
also got the Protect Color of Kids three Vallid initiatives
on to get people to turn out.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
But I do think you're right that turnout is a
huge problem in the conservative movement.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
And Robin Carnson and I were talking a little bit
about the numbers we have horrible turnout for Republicans in
off years like non presidential years. I mean, it depends
on I guess who you're asking what's horrible, But say
it's seventy to seventy five percent. That's leaving almost three
hundred thousand ballots on the counter at home that people
aren't turning in that could it would be a very
easy way to start to shift the tide there.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
Right, That comes back to get out the vote and
certainly all the campaigning that goes along with that. You're right,
that's an ongoing problem and if we can fix what
happens in the midterms, that would be huge. So I
think with the bout initiatives that you met mentioned, I
think that's going to help a lot, but we're going
to have to do the work on the ground to
actually turn out those Republicans and the unaffiliated.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Is that lean our way and get them to vote.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So, Craig, what's your biggest fear or like your biggest
worry that keeps you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Up at night about taking on this job. There's so many.
I'm sure that.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
They're expanding, and maybe the answer changes minute to minute,
but there is just there's just so much stuff going
on at the legal level, the financial level, and the
internal strife you're talking about, And as much as I
want to dispatch them quickly, it turns out that the
number of things that I'm finding out that are out
there are increasing, well they're not increasing in real time,
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and I'm becoming aware of them in the increasing rates.
So it is a lot of work, and it's been
NonStop since since I got elected. And that's just the thing.
I'm wondering how much more there is to learn about
what's going on, And.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
We'll just have to cross that bridge when we come
to it.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And it's like you're fixing a company. You're going in
and you've been dropped into place as a new CEO
to kind of reboot the company and take a look
with fresh eyes and figure out where the problems are,
where the opportunities are.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Part of that is building teams.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So I know Eric Krossman when he came in to
take over when Brita resigned, he let a.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Lot of people go from the executive.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Committee and you know people who are surrounded surrounding Brita
and replace them. Are you going to bring in your
own team or are you going to give it some time?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Do you know who you want on your team yet?
Speaker 8 (23:23):
I have some ideas of who I want, But right now,
the fire hose of information and the phone calls at
all all kinds of levels.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I'm just need I.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
Need to get up to date of where we are
right and then I need to look at that. But yes,
I'll be bringing in my own people, for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And one of the things you're really good at is data.
And I've been harping on this for a while, is
we don't have consistent data among our candidates and our
ballot initiatives and our party. And if we could get
everybody using the same data and constantly improving that data
set and using the same technology so everybody knows how
to use it, I think that's a huge problem.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
How do we fix that part of it? Because I
think you have some good solutions, sure well.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
And that's something that I was campaigning on. We've had
problems in the past with the certainly with the data,
but alo also the system seemed to come and go,
and then the information that's collected when candidates and the
volunteers are doing get out the Vote goes into the system,
but it's very hard for the counties or the candidates
to then get that information back out. And that's been
an ongoing problem for for as long as I was
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in politics, from two thousand and nine on. So I've
developed a system that came out of when I was
a secretary and chairman in Douglas County to get out
the vote system that I offer to any county that
needs it, that wants it, and so if those counties
that want it, it's going to be available. And the
good thing about that, in addition to it being available
for no cost of the party, is that data is available.
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After it goes in by the county or the candidate,
they can actually get it back. It doesn't just go
into a black hole that we never see again. So
hopefully that hopefully that'll be something that we can leverage.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, it seems like hunger games with the data on
our side, and it's so annoying. It's like, well, if
we would all share experiences, like if we go knock
a door and it's not the right person that's listed
there and we fix it, then the next candidate doesn't
have to worry about that and then everybody does better.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But that doesn't seem like that's the way it works.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
How do you think AI is going to play into
how we move forward as a party as candidates as
Republicans in Colorado?
Speaker 4 (25:25):
If it does well, there's definitely a place for it.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
I'm actually planning on attending a conference about that this
weekend to see what they've got going on, and I'll
be educating myself on that, to be quite honest, in
terms of how hey I can play into campaigns.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
It's certainly complain into the digital aspect.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
I'll be curious to see what they have to say
about what can go on on the ground.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
One of the things that's been pretty important to me
since I ran for Governor Craig is well two things.
One is publishing the craziest That's why I started Rocky
Mountain Voice to just make sure we had really talented journalists,
whether they were citizen journalists or our paid staff, that
we're telling the stories that weren't getting told by the
liberal media. And the other thing was making it fun
to be a conservative again. So that's why we're putting
on the Rocky Mountain Voice Freedom Fest and trying to
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bring thousands of conservatives together across Colorado to have a
great time and break bread together and enjoy some really
talented speakers and musicians in a rodeo. But a lot
of this takes money. It takes concentrated effort. It takes
all of us playing nice in the sandbox, and so
I think that's been really frustrating to watch people try
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and do good things in this party and a lot
of people don't want that to happen, or like there's
this competition going on and we only have a minute
before the break. I hope you'll stay on if you
can to talk a little bit more after the ads,
But let me know what your take is on that.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Well, yeah, I think that's that's very true.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
And that's what I've noticed when I was making calls
campaigning for this, talking to as many Central Committee members
as I could. There are so many good people in
this party that there's so much potential. And I've talked
to one person that's, you know, a very good person
and they have a huge conflict with another person that
I find is a very good person. So I think
if we get some of the more of the in
person or at least on the phone one on one
conversations going, I think that would go a long way.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, thanks, Craig, and if are you able to stay
on till after the break, I'd be fine.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Great.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
All right, This is Hidi Ganaal filling in for Dan Capleas.
We'll be back with Craig Steiner, the new leader of
the Republican Party in Colorado.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Hello, Hello, Hello, It's Heidi Ganal on a Monday afternoon
filling in for Dan Caples, and I have Craig Steiner
with me, who is our new leader of the Republican
Party in Colorado. Craig, I would tell you to drink
cavalie to get ready for this job.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
No, you need to be weightlifting in the basement, getting
ready and getting stronger. Somebody texted me and said, let
this guy have a honeymoon.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Please stop with the hard questions. I don't think you're
that kind of guy. I think you'd like these questions.
But am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Fine, they're fine?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Okay, So I am going to ask you a tough
question because I get this all the time. What about
the opt out? What's going to happen with the opt
out situation?
Speaker 8 (28:05):
Well, the opt out isn't really even an issue now
until next year. We've gotten past all that this year,
so that from now until through November at least, we
can be focused on get out the vote. It's ultimately
up to the body of the State Central Committee to
decide next year whether or not to opt out in
twenty twenty eight. But right now, the focus is really
just on get out the vote and fixing.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
All these on the two in terms of fundraising and
the infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, and I think that does lead to a question
with Tina Peters getting out today, like about elections and
election integrity here in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
What's your take on the elections.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
If you don't want to really want to dive in there, that's.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Okay, Well, we'll get you next time.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I think it's a really important issue to a
lot of Republicans and I haven't seen your take on
that right.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Well, my position is we definitely have a problem in
Colorado whatever, especially since twenty thirteen, excuse me, when the
Democrats really loosened.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Up our election laws. And it's you know, it's an
open question.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
You can get points of view on both sides as
to whether what's going on, but the reality is the
laws that we have in Colorado do not make it
look like the Democrats want to reduce fraud.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
If anything, they want to make it more possible.
Speaker 8 (29:15):
You don't send out ballots to people who haven't voted
in multiple cycles, unless you want those ballots floating out there.
So I think what we really need to do is
we need we need to win some elections with the
situation we have, which is obviously the challenge, so that
we can close some of these loopholes and problems that
are that are in the law.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
We just have to deal with it that way.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, And one thing I've talked to folks about is
you've got to go to the county level if you
want to work on elections in Colorado, because you have
no control at the statewide level. And so if you
work with your county commissioners, which I think we have
a Republican majority of county commissioners in Colorado. They hire
and fire the county attorney who has a lot of
support or control over the county clerk's office, and a
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lot of the county clerks are terrified to step out
or do anything different or even audit their own systems.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Which it cracks me up in Colorado in.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
A horrible way that Jenna Griswold is the one who
audits herself, like the elections are audited by the election
officials at the state here in Colorado, and that's just ridiculous.
We can't even move it to the audit Department in
the government like they wouldn't the Legislative Committee wuldn't even
agree to do that. So I think we've got a
lot of work to do there. But I think that's
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more of a local issue. What's the feedback you're getting
from your local county chairs about what you need to
do first, Because I'm sure you've gotten a lot of that,
but from the county level, the leaders at the county level,
what are they asking for.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Well, I'm still trying to find out, because the emails
are coming in faster than I can read them, as
are the texts and the phone calls. They're very supportive
and that's very encouraging, and there's been so much outpouring
of offers to help as we move forward, and so
I think the county organizations that's part of what I'm
going to find out.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
I mentioned that my my speech.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
After I got elected on Saturday, that I was going
to be sending out an email to all the county
party chairs to ask precisely that question, to know exactly
what they need where they're at, if they're doing great.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Great.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
If they need some help with systems or whatever, then
to let us know so we know who needs what.
And so that's an ongoing question and we're going to
we're going to find out and address that.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Okay, other than I know you need money, you need
to refill the coffers, which how can people donate? How
do they best donate and how Like I know a
lot of people feel really uncomfortable about the legal bills
and what's going on with their Can you compartmentalize the
money so that you can spend it on certain efforts
or how does that work?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Well?
Speaker 8 (31:41):
Right now, I and the county party chairs will probably
love this. If people are ready to donate really quickly,
they can still donate to the county parties and there's
no issue there, and I will you know, we have
to resolve some issues at the state party level. So
if they're again rearing to donate money, let's go county
for now. But we're going to get this reversus very quickly,
and so hopefully I can talk to you in another
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week or two and we'll have better answers for that.
But I think things are looking promising, so we won't
be stuck very long.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Good good, and we do have some tremendous leaders at
the local level across the state. I just think there's
some of the hardest working people in the country here
in Colorado trying to hold the wall up against the
craziness that's happening in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
But thanks Craig for joining us.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I'm gonna let you go a little early so I
can wrap with Rian, but I really appreciate you spending
some time. I know you've been doing a lot over
the last forty hours. We wish you the best of luck,
and I know you've got an incredible skill set and
you're gonna make some good happen.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Thank you very much, Heidi. I appreciate that. Look forward
to talking to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Sounds great. Take care all right, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, you talked to Craig earlier this morning. I think
he has some good ideas about how to tackle this,
and I think taking a deep breath and letting the
counties give him feedback on how to fix some of
these problems is a good approach.
Speaker 9 (33:01):
Smart guy, lucid guy, tremendous background as a software engineer,
which I think dovetails really nicely into looking under the
hood on election integrity and how these voting systems are operating,
where the problems might be.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
I mean, he has a.
Speaker 9 (33:13):
Really laser focused approach on where we need to be
looking as it pertains to that. I think he's got
a good, sensible, grounded, common sense approach to leading the party.
Probably a good idea with such a short ramp up.
Now we're almost exactly what five months out from the
general election and election day, and it goes back to
the pragmatic.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Things you're talking about, Heidi.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
How do we make sure we keep these four congressional
seats in Republican hands, meaning Gabe Evans.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Lauren Boebert, Jeff Crank, Jeff Hurd.
Speaker 9 (33:45):
And we're so fortunate that in a state that's as
blue as ours, that we're evenly divided four and four
in the Congress. And to me, that would be the
biggest victory of Alves if we can maintain each of
those four seats.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, and you know what, let's have some fun as
Republicans and come together as Constuservatives on June twenty sixth
and twenty seventh at the Rocky Mountain Voice Freedom Festival.
You can find out more at RMV Rmvfreedomfest dot.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Com and we would love to have you join us.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
There's all kinds of different ticket packages, different events.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
We're gonna have great gut filled.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Dog the Bounty Hunter Friday night to celebrate law enforcement.
Nick Sureley will be one of our keynotes, Doctor Robert Malone,
Laura Logan. We're gonna be making a special announcement on
Friday about a certain Trump administration official who's going to
be here. Oh, everybody, get your tickets. It's going to
be a great time. Thanks for having me today. Thanks
for putting up with me.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Ryan. Oh yeah, my technology challenges mine too, by the way,
and we got through it. This is how you know,
filling in for Dan Cap.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Let's have a great Monday, everyone,
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