May 27, 2026 • 35 mins
The Governor's Debate: A Wild Ride
Last night's gubernatorial debate at Colorado Christian University was a wild ride, with Senator Barb Kirkmeyer and Representative Scott Bottoms going head-to-head in a battle of wits. But the real story was Victor Marx, the candidate who's been making waves with his unconventional campaign style. In this episode, we're breaking down the debate and discussing what it means for the future of Colorado politics.
The debate itself was a closely watched event, with moderators Michael Brown, Vince Bisdick, and Sean Boyd keeping the candidates on their toes. But Victor Marx's absence from the stage was notable, and his own event, which was live-streamed online, offered a glimpse into his campaign's strategy. Marx's supporters are passionate, but his lack of engagement with the public and the Republican Party has raised eyebrows.
Dick Wadhams, a longtime Republican strategist, joined the show to share his thoughts on the debate and Marx's chances. Wadhams was blunt in his assessment, saying that Marx's refusal to engage with the public and his lack of policy depth are major concerns. He also questioned Marx's claim that debates are the "dumbest thing in politics."
If you're still on the fence about the governor's race, this episode is a must-listen. We'll dive into the details of the debate, discuss the implications of Marx's campaign strategy, and explore what it means for the future of Colorado politics. Join us as we break down the wild ride that is the governor's debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to the Dan Caples Show here with welcoming shaf
Steve Reims setting in as your guest host once again
on I guess it's a Wednesday afternoon. Kind of a
cool day because I picked this data host for Dan,
and when we were looking at the schedule, because yesterday
was the big gubernatorial debate down at Colorado Christian University,
I had hoped when I scheduled this day that one
(00:35):
Victor Marx would show up on the stage. Foolishly I
thought that might occur. But regardless, I was able to
attend the debate last night and watch Senator Barb Kirkmeyer
and stay Rep Scott Bottom square off, and it was
a sight to behold. They definitely distanced themselves once again.
The moderators, they played a different role in this debate
(00:58):
than what they might have in some others. Those moderators
being Michael Brown of KOA, Vince Bisdick of the Denver
Gazette and Sean Boyd of CBS four. All of them
came prepared for, you know, tough questions. Thought I thought
they did a great job of mixing up the questions
and kind of peppering the two debaters with the appropriate
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the appropriate level of questions. And I took copious notes.
So we'll go through those as we kind of break
down the debate. But I'm not going to just sit
here and do that for the next two hours. We'll
have some contributors on to kind of give their review
of their take of those debates, and I obviously would
welcome you guys to do the same. You can text
in at five seven, seven, three nine, start your text
(01:43):
out with Dan. I'd love to hear your comments. But also,
there was another event that happened last night. Because we
know Victor Marx did not appear at the debate, he
decided to do his own live event and hosted some
place down in Colorado Springs and brought us followers in
and did one of his other one mission one fifty ones,
(02:03):
whatever that means, and did another i'll call it a
revival fundraiser rally whatever kind of gave his his typical spiel,
but ended it with his top ten priorities, and we'll
get to those as the show goes. But you know,
he made some comments during his his event that, you know,
(02:25):
I think for the people out there that really want
to see him on a debate stage, probably you know,
probably don't square up too good. You know, Victor has
made it clear that he don't. He doesn't think that
debates are very important, and he reiterated that through his
his event last night. I had the distinct pleasure and
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air quotes of listening to that this morning and marking
out time so that Ryan could spend thank you a.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Ton of time this morning.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
You know, I'm a fresh morning coffee and Sheriff Eemson
this time quote this one, and I'm going through sifting
through the ponderous Victor Marx audio over an hour and
a half.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So thank you. That's it. It's better than a donut
to go with my com.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, it definitely got your day started to where it
could only get better from that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Thank you. It's goodpctive.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You know, I try to be the optimus. Yeah, but
we'll start out with this clip that kind of sets
the tone for the Victor Marks event.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
This very night. There was a debate schedule that I
was going to go to, which debates are the dumbest
thing in politics that I'm hit a mouse to nothing,
especially when we have to go to a general Now
the general, I like general debate. That's when I'm I
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wanted debate. Been at a wiser trust you me, I'm
that I'm excited about it. Yeah, yeah, I'll bring all
eighty points of my IQ. Fit Grave was the best
six years of my life.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Oh boy, I'm all for self deprecating humor and you know,
trying to get the crowd going. And I'll give I'll
give Victor his credit. You know, he's got a stick
on stage that his followers, they enjoy it. He tells
a lot of the same jokes over and over, his
dog acting like a cat. You know, his IQ level,
although that's I think that's a new one I haven't
heard before, eighty point IQ. And you know he's hoisting
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his belt up and talk about getting ready to square
off against the the Democrat contender, whoever that may be,
or both of them. Maybe he'll take on both of
them at same time. He won't take on both the
Republicans at the same time, but maybe the Democrats because
they're low hanging fruit.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I don't know if you had a private moment, not
that this would happen. Maybe in bizarre world. And let's
say you were having a beer or a whiskey. I
know that Ross Kamenski across the way Koa occasionally does
have a whiskey with one. Phil Weiser okay, Attorney General
sure or Michael Bennett.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We're having a beer okay.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
At either one.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
And you caught them in an honest moment you said, hey,
you could you have your pick?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You're the nominee.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Congratulations, Either Michael Bennett or Phil Wise, you can have
your pick. It can be Barb Kirkmeyer, Scott Bottoms or
Victor Marx. Who do you want to run against? Who
do you think?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
They say, oh, Victor Marx every day and twice on
Sunday there is I mean, I got to be honest
with you.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I'd like to debate the guy.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, and I'm not running for governor, but I
would genuinely I'll take him on. I mean, come on,
this guy has been he's been difficult to listen to.
He's been difficult to watch in a campaign for me anyways,
and it's not because I dislike the man for who
he is. I'm really frustrated that we can't what a real.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Deal on you.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
What do you make of what he just said? They're
trashing debates, which are you know, a cornerstone cornerstorm of
politics of our constitutional republic, going back to Lincoln and Douglas,
which I don't think you could name Stephen Douglas. I
would guarantee you Victor Marx has no blanking clue who
Stephen Douglas was. Abraham Lincoln. I'll grant that he knows
who Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well, probably not for debating, not for that debate.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
He wouldn't know what those were.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
No, No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And again, you know, if you if you're a person
out there that went to that went to that event,
or you watched it online, and you say, man, that
guy he's he's my candidate, I really want to know
why five seven seven three nine texted in. Please let
me know what is it with the Victor marks draw
that that has you pulled in. I it just does
not resonate with me, but obviously it does with some
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in fact, when they would pan out to the crowd shocking.
It was shocking to see how excited some of those
people were. And he did have a crowd, you know.
He made a comment that there was no one at
the at the debate. That's definitely not true. That was
a pretty full house last night. It was late to
fill up. They started right on time, so I think
people were expecting things to kind of drag out, so
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people filled in a little late. But it was a
good crowd there they had. They had plenty of people
in attendance. And I got to tell you, I thought
again for the moderators, they came prepared. And we'll get
into more of that once we get Dick Wadams on.
I really want to get his point on some of
these questions.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah right.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I see one of these posts here, and I don't
know if it's just this video platform, but it looks
like the one that we're hearing from this audio that
I edited through Mission one fifty one live from El
Passel County Town, YadA, YadA. It's at Victor Marx and
it says started forty six minutes ago, seventy three watching, Yeah, seventy.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Three, So I was sitting next to some friends of
mine during the debate last night, they had the video
feed pulled up, and I think the most we saw
it climb to was one hundred at any given point. So,
you know, yeah, he had he had some watchers, but
we're not talking you know, the entire state watching him.
You know, one hundred people. You got to figure that
he's got some followers out there that have donated to him.
(07:50):
They're they're invested in the cause, they want to see
him whin they bought a T shirt and also one
of the T shirt that I mean he gave. He
gave away T shirts to people who showed up and
turned in their debate ticket, right, he gave them a
free T shirt that I mean, you talk about a
slap in the face.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I just I find it. So it's just this low rent.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
There's a Spinal Tap reference for everything. And at one
point into Martin l Berghee who's played by Rob Reiner,
asks Ian, the manager of Spinal Tap, about the narrowing
audiences for the group, and he goes, I would just
say that becoming most selective.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And that kind of feels like what's going on here?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And pretty soon Victor Marx is going to be opening
for a puppet show at Amusement Park.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I hope you're correct.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I mean, you know he watching this, And I encourage
anybody who's who's on the fence, you're trying to figure
out which candidate you you want to get behind. If
you if you have not made up your mind, go
watch the video. See some of the questions that he
asks of the crowd, and some of the the interactions
he has with the crowd, and and how that helps
set up what his campaign is all about.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
It's key visual that they're not going to see if
they hear you like CLIs on this program, sheriff Is,
he has to go behind a podium, put on his readers,
pull out his cue cards in order to read the
ten points that he talks about what he's going to
do in office. He could not recite it extemporaneously without
note cards.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
No, and we'll get to that in the next couple
of hours. We'll definitely get to some of those points.
But what I think what we'll do here at this
point is cut away to a break. When we come back,
we'll get Dick Autums on the line. We'll have him
with us for a couple of segments to kind of
interact and talk about the questions that he thought hit hard,
hit the hardest, the questions that he thought the candidates
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did the best at and who was the winner. I
have my pick, and I'm sure if you paid attention
last night, you might have yours. But we'll see when
we get back from break. You're listening to the dan Kaplay's.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Show and now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Getting Away from the Grind if you will. So he
might even call in today to comment about the debate
if he had a chance to watch it last night.
But speaking of people who were going to talk to
us about the debate, we have Dick Watums with us
on the line. Dick, how are you doing tonight?
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Hey, Steve, I'm doing great. How were you doing?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm doing fantastic. And I know you probably watched the
debate last night. I don't know if you had a
chance to attend in person or if you watched it online.
I didn't see it there last night, so I'm assuming
it was online.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
Yeah, I watched it online.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, that's probably the smart thing. I think a lot
of people actually tuned in to watch it online. It's
just it's sometimes hard to get into those events, especially
at seven thirty at night. But so you know, that
was quite a different debate than what we've seen even
so far in this run up, just because the moderators,
I think they were a little more aggressive than what
we might have seen it pass debates. But what's your
(10:48):
overall take on how last night went?
Speaker 8 (10:50):
You?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
We had Senator Kirkmeyer there and Scott Bottoms there, Dick Watums,
your former state chair. I mean, you've watched a ton
of these. How do you think they fared last night?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Well?
Speaker 9 (11:01):
I think the moderators did an excellent job. I have
a great deal of respect for all three of them,
and I knew they would do a great job. And
I thought that I thought, over the course of the
hour and a half, thieve that voters who were there
and watched it and voters who watched it online got
a real sense about these two candidates. Of course, we
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know that Mark's of bark Kirkmiro and I agree with
as a coward and will show up for debates. But
I thought that both candidates were given an opportunity to
kind of define themselves. Yeah, and I think they both
successfully did that. But I think that over the course
of the of the debate.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, I would agree with you. And I think when
you say define themselves, that can that can mean a
couple of things that can be good or bad, you know,
And I think that's the opportunity that Mark's misses. Having
said that, did you see any of his event? Did
you go back and watch the video of his one
fifty one of it.
Speaker 9 (12:01):
I've heard some of the eclipse from from the debate,
including the one that was played them.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
At the top of the hour.
Speaker 9 (12:09):
And I got to tell you what what what it
tells me when he declares the debate So the dumbest
thing in politics, who tells me he's not going to
show up for Channel nine next week?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well if you think if you think that's bad, take
a listen to this one real quick.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
I let people know, and I'll let you know tonight.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm not a politician. And then uh.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Yeah, right, I tell you I believe I could win
not only the primary but the general on two points.
Want to know what they are. I'm not a politician,
and I'm bringing back classic bags to grocery source.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's crazy plastic bags, that's all you need.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
It's crazy I'm telling Joe, I knew I had it
when I first announced plastic bags in the beginning. How
they whoa, honey, we got this in a yeah, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Mister Wadhams.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
When you hear something like that, what does that make
you think? As a person who's been involved in politics
for all these.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
Years, it makes me think this, this guy is not serious. Listen,
I'm irritated by not being able to use plastic bags
and bags at the store as well, and I wish.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
That would be reversed.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
But I got to tell you, when you look at
all the challenges and the problems Colorado has right now
after eight consecutive years of total democratic control, and he
wants to throw in plastic back, he's not a serious candidate, Steve.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
I mean, he's just. He's just.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
There's no other word.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
That comes to mind for me than before.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
I just And the more we see him and hear
from him, it will be interesting if he shows up
next week at that debate, because I got to tell you,
the Kyle Clark will not be able to will not
let him get away with one liners like that, and
he won't have the adoring followers in the crowd on
on next Tuesday at the Channel nine. So I just
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have to assume the debates are the dumbest thing in
politics according to him, and and this notion that he
likes general election debates.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Will exactly how would he know?
Speaker 7 (14:29):
And you know, and.
Speaker 9 (14:30):
Steve, I got to say, yeah, I've been fortunate enough
to work work for some great elected officials over my life,
and including Senator Armstrong and Senator Hank Brown and Senator
Wayne Eller and Governor Owen and Senator Johnson, and I
was involved in debates with every one of those candidates,
tough debates, consequential debates. And I will if he if
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he thinks he can go into a debate a channel
in the general election without ever having done it, he
is he is. I don't know who his people are,
but they don't know what they're doing because he will
not be able to well.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
His claim to fame right now is having quote unquote
debated Candice Owin. And if I don't know if you
watched any of that, but that definitely wasn't a debate.
But getting back to the two candidates that were on
the debate stage, I mean, I thought you were right.
They definitely showed their differences they showed who they were.
Was there a question that stood out for let's start
with representing Scott Bottom. So is there an area where
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he thought, hey, this guy he hit you know, he
got a base hit or he got a home run.
Was there a particular question that sticks in your mind
where he thought, okay, he nailed that one.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
Well, you listen, it's a big advantage for anyone who
runs forgether that they've served in the legislature. And so
Scott Bottom does hands the base of knowledge and the
ability to articulate it, and so I think he definitely
(15:56):
meant that criteria Steve, But overall, I don't think he
conveyed a deep mastery of the issues. I mean, his
discussion about farmers drilling for oil and their property and
water rights, and the way Michael Brown that kept following
up with him.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
It's just.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
It's clear he hasn't thought through the issue as much
as he tried to convey. And then I thought the
pedophile exchange was more torturous. I mean, now he's working
through a some FBI official in Georgia or something.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
He just doesn't He's not.
Speaker 9 (16:44):
As bad as Mark, but he just doesn't come across
as I think a serious candidate and somebody.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Who you would have a lot of confidence.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Going into a general election campaign against two guys. One
he's been a US Senator for almost twenty years, right,
and one he's in attorney general for a You're that
he would be able to to to meet the incredible
candidate against Peter one of those candidates.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Well, I thought maybe he's I thought maybe his strongest
response was right out of the gate when they started
talking about the blueprint and kind of how Colorado had
been turned by you know, past striker Jared Poulis and
others into a state where Republicans are having a hard
time winning, and I thought Scott came out with a
very aggressive Hey, I want to be a you know,
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this is a Marxist state, but I want to I
want to turn that around. He talked about he was
unwavering on Second Miment issues, on on life issues, on
Tabor issues, and that you know, there were certain things
he just would not he would not sway on.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, I thought I thought that was a good message
to start, and then you're kind of I think you're right.
Everything kind of started to just drift off after that
when we got into the meat of the debate.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
Yeahs, going into a general election campaign is much different
than a primary, and I would say, yeah, what I
don't understand, Steve is that our candidates who are are
solely focused on winning a primary nomination and they give
no thought to the long term consequence. So it's of
everything they do in that primary bay and how that
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affects the general hold And.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
That thought, Dick, We're going to go to break real quick.
When we come back, we'll finish that up. You listen
to Dan Capla show on six point thirty K how
was Steve Rings.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And when we went to break, we were chopping it
up with Dick Wadhams last right before we went to break,
kind of discussing how the governor's debate went last night
down at CCU and also the event that Victor Marks
hosted some of the audio from that. And as we
went to break, Dick, you were talking about how I
believe Representative Scott Bottoms is kind of he started out
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playing really strong to his bass, kind of run into
the right I think not to put words in your mouth.
And then you were I think both kind of making
the point of how that doesn't necessarily translate into a
general you want to finish that point.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, Steve.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
I mean I just marvel at candidates to focus entirely
on winning a Republican nomination, but at the same time
not giving any thoughts to how what they say and
do in the primary affects how they will perform in
a general election.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
And when I.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
As I watched a representative bottoms last night, I kept thinking,
does he really think that that's kind of behavior, that
that his.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
How he how he acted last night is going to sound.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
The general election?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
It just isn't. And I just I don't. I just don't.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Understand how people don't can't see that this electorate is
hard in Colorado. And by the way, Steve, it has
always been hard.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
I hear people say, oh, it used to be easy
to win Colorado. Well, it has never been anything, and
it's even harder today.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I don't disagree with you there.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And you know, as we were watching the debate last
night and kind of seeing how the campaigns are definitely
distancing themselves from one another, I thought you made a
point earlier about the issue of water and Sean Boyd
was asking about water in Colorado that was about halfway
through the debate. Basically, you know, how do we protect
Colorado's water in spite of the compact from nineteen twenty two,
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and Scott Bottoms talked a lot about how he wanted
to redo the compact, And I thought one of Senator
kirkmeyer strengths was in this particular issue when she said, look,
it's not an issue of that compact being broken, and
in fact, if you open that compact back up, Colorado
stands to lose a lot. I thought her answer was
really spot on about how much water we send out
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of the state that we're entitled to because we don't
have storage.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
What did you think of that answer?
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Well, I have the same reactions Steve. I mean, Barb
clearly has much more of a grasp of the reality
of the count the Colorada River Compact and the last
thing we need to do is to open that thing up.
And the fact that Representative Bottoms suggested that we need
to open the compact up, I thought, boy he really
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it was just an example. He hasn't done the due
diligence of delving into these issues and understanding the consequences
of what he was proposing, and Barb Barb understands it.
I mean, as a Well County commissioner, she was immersed
in water issues. And I think that's the difference between
the two is Barb's Uh, Barb's background even before she
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ever ended up in the car at the State Senate,
gave her a grounding and the issues that the government,
the next government is going to be facing. And she listen,
Colorado will elect another Republican go but not one that
bounces all over the place with all these ideological statements
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that that that will, that will.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
That will be trained, or those those voters. I just
I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It was a little difficult to try to line those
two up when it came to water issues. But talking
about things that are a little difficult to line up,
I'm going to go back to a Marx clip here,
because uh, again we're talking about getting on the debate
stage and wanting to know what someone's about. And this
was a comment he made from his event last night.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
But I had to finally tell them, I go, man,
you don't want me to show up at your forms.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
And debates so bad?
Speaker 6 (22:39):
And you're telling me the people need to know you
have to reach some people. You got to come to
these things. I go, yeah, but they're small.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And boring.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
And if I'm supposed to go to help me out,
if you subtract the niner at the four dangle a participle,
if I don't go, doesn't that help y'all out?
Speaker 7 (23:15):
More?
Speaker 6 (23:19):
So I'm going to help y'all out and not go.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And I think that says everything you need to know
about what's likely to happen with the nine News debate.
I think that's Victor setting up the idea that he's
not going to attend. But that leads me into one
of the questions that I think that Senator kirk Meyer
and Representative Bottoms actually agreed on, which I found this
kind of ironic, And that question was, if you don't win,
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the candidate's on the stage. If neither of you win
and Victor Marx becomes the candidate, which you support him
into the general election? And they both answered no. And
I'm not going to say for the exact same reasons,
but for basically the same reason. And Dick is as
a person who we have Dick Wottoms on the line,
you've been in politics for for a really long time.
(24:08):
Would that be the advice that you would give to
either of these campaigns of making that statement that no,
you won't support whoever the nominee is. I mean, what
do you think of that stance?
Speaker 9 (24:18):
Well, I think it's an insight into just how extraordinary
this primary is. Steve, we haven't seen anything like this
that I'm that my memory or knowledge of previous campaigns
you can indicate.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
I mean, we've got you know, it's not candidates who
are who kind of come from the same perspective as
stout bottoms of certainly, and in the primaries before we've
had them.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I look at Barbara Kirchmeier, and I look.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
Having run the Loan's campaign in ninety eight, I see
a lot of strengths that he had that she has.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
So, I mean, that's.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
All pretty standards. But this Mark candidacy is extraordinary from
the standpoint.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
That he I had heard of him.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
I'm maybe I'm just kind of ignorant about what's going
on in Colorado. I had never heard of the guy,
and he has run this campaign without having to really
engage his opponents or the public or the Republican Party,
and and his and he refuses to answer the questions
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they have been posed to him by people like Peter
Boyles and others. That and Ryan Hewling for that matter,
the very first innery we did back what was that January.
I mean that that was a remarkable interview and it's
never gotten it hasn't gotten better.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
And so I don't I don't think anybody.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Is owed an endorsement in the primary.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
I think you have to earn that. And I respect
both bart And and Scott were saying what they believe
is that that they both didn't consider him unfit for
the for the job, and if they feel that way,
they should not. There is no obligation for them to
support him.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, and they were both.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Scott was very quick to say he would support Barber
was a little more begrudging about her endorsement. She wanted
to basically see the pedophile issue to I guess, come
to rest or come to full fuition before she would
offer that offer that full endorsement. But I think her
leaning was if he went down that path and cleared
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all that up, that she would likely endorse him. But
I mean, I thought last night's debate was probably the
most contentious between the two. I mean they definitely they
battled it out on some issues and also contentious with
the moderators. Michael Brown was very frustrated with Scott Bottoms
on a couple of points, and you know, the bottom
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supporters will say that wasn't fair, but he wanted specifics
and wasn't getting him. Again, I don't know that I
would have necessarily taken it on the same direction as
a moderator, but I understood why Michael was frustrated.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
Oh, I agree, and I think the follow up questions
are what make a debate in many ways, but I
will That's why I do not think that Marks will
show up for Channel nine next week, and because Kyle
Clark is devastating in his ability to do the follow
up questions and I have and I have no doubt that. Well,
(27:16):
let me I want to make one more point. If
Barcart or barb Burgmeier or in the Republican nomination, they
will be better general election candidates because they did do
last night's debate. They did do they have done for them,
they will they will both be better and better prepared
to do it.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I go back.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
I do not understand this thinking that well, you know,
debates are they're dumb there. I just don't know how
you think you can go into a debate with one
of those Democratic candidates and think you're going to stand
in the box if you've never.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Done it before. I don't get that at all.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well, Michael Bennett's got a lot of years of standing
on the floor of the US Senate and you know,
firing shots at the opponents across the other side. I
say that figuratively, not literally, but you know, whether he's
good at it or not, he's done it for a
long time, and you know, it's hard to go up
against someone who's comfortable in that arena when you haven't
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been there. So I can't imagine Victor being on a
debate stage against Wiser or Bennett and faring better than
he would have against.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Barb or Scott last night.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But all that being said, maybe they've got the secret
sauce and we'll find out in just a little while.
Let's wrap this up with just a quick question. Who
won last night?
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Well, I think that Barb kirk Meyer demonstrated that she
is best prepared with the two candidates. She has the
stronger grants for the issues. I think I think her
demeanor came across its something that would appeal to something
beyond the Republican base, and that's the only way you're
going to win a general action in Colorado. I think Scott,
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I think he does have a base of knowledge of
having been in the legislature, but I just don't think
his his his demeanor will be attractive to the candidates
who will determine this general election.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well to both their points, at least they were on
the stage, and I give them each of them credit
for that. Dick, thanks for being on the show with us.
Thanks for kind of dicing this up a little bit,
and we look forward to having you back on in
the future again. Thanks, thanks for being on the show.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
We're going to go to break you listen to Dan
Capla's show here with Well Kunny Sheriff Steve Raims as
your guest host here on six point thirty.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
K and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
We got a bunch of texts to get to, but
we've had Scott from Pueblo on the line for quite
some time and he wants to talk to us about
Victor Mark.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Scott, what do you have to say?
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Yeah, I was just curious. Man. Well, like I said,
I listen to the show regularly, and yeah, Dan's been
on vacation. That it's a constant conslot of anti Victor Mark.
So I'm not a fan for him or against him.
Generally enjoy when you're on the radio, but man, this
is this is getting brutal.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, I got to be honest with you. It's not
the space I necessarily want to be in, but I'm
invested in the governor's race. I want to know, you know,
who are who are who our candidate can be? And
I'm I'm frustrated by not seeing Victor Marx on the stage.
I know he puts a lot of stuff out through
social media, but it's really hard to know someone until
you get a chance to ask him those direct questions.
And that's just the thing that we're not getting to do.
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I mean, do you have do you have a candidate
that you're you're saying, hey, that's probably my person right now.
I mean even if that's Victor, I mean, I got
no issue with that. I just I want to know
from those people who are supporting Victor, why, Like, what,
what's the thing that he's checked the box?
Speaker 8 (30:44):
For so, like the caller said the other day, at
least he's come down to Pueblo.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's part any of them.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
And I'm not I'm not pro. But he came to
the church down here and spoke and that's more than
you've gotten from kirk Meyer or Bottoms. And like I said,
all I want is to win. Like you, Oh yeah,
I'm so done with the Democrats in the state. So
but you know, man, it's just like I said, for
what two weeks, three weeks now it's every day. I'm like, man,
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I gotta.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Turn the radio off.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
I understand, tell a man.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
And I'm not really pro him. I'm pro whoever can
win for.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Us well and candid with you, I'm there's going to
be some people even in this uh, in this listening
audience that are going to give a hard eye roll.
If he's the candidate. I'm going to support him, and
you know that that's going to be hard for some
people to understand. But I've been through the Dan Mays
experience and I watched a lot of people walk away
front from him as a candidate, and rightfully so, there
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are a bunch of people that said this guy, he
can't win, but the risk was becoming a minority party,
the Republican Party, becoming a minority party and having no
status in the state of Colorado. And man, you've got
to be on the team. And the way I look
at is, you know, we've got to try to get
somebody across the finish line.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
I have.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I've made it very parent that I'm supporting Barb Kirkmeyer,
but I support the team when it's all said and
done for sure. Well, thanks for calling in, and Scott,
I will tell you I got some information last night
from the Kirkmeyer team that they are heading to Pueblo.
I don't know the date, but I bet if you
got on one of their websites or looked around a
little bit, they should be producing that out there. And
(32:19):
it's directly from this show from people calling in and
saying we haven't seen candidates down in Pueblo. So I
know they're scheduling some events down there. So keep listening,
stick with us, and I know it's brutal sometimes, but
thanks for calling in.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Bet.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
All right, let's get to some of these texts. We've
got some good ones here. It says Dan. If winning
was easy, everyone would do it.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
That's to go. That's to Dick Wadam's point. Another one here.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Trump just sent forty million to the Western Slope and
Senior water rights is in exchange for Peters. And I
did see a story about that, I think on the
Colorado Sun. I didn't have time to read it in
the break, but he did free up some money that
had frozen when he first came back into office. I
don't know if that's directly in exchange for Tina Peters,
but it looks like the timing might be suspicious. What's
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your take on that one question?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I think that's a It's totally within the realm of possibility.
There has to be something more to the motivation of
Governor Polis to do this, rather than just the goodness
of his heart.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
A free speech element that sits well.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
You know, I want to be optimistic and I want
to think that he did it for the right reasons,
but I think there's something in the calculus right that
had to have benefited him or, you know, to be fair,
the state of Colorado, which was getting pummeled and pillaged
by President trus space Force leaving the Arkansas Conduit Act
being rejected in spite of the fact that both Representative
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Bober and Representative.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Herd tried to override at via veto, they did not
have the votes for that.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
So there was a there was a political element to
this as well as there always is going to be.
And I'm not saying that's against Polis at all, but
on the political front, I'll just say this as we
go to break to get this in this hour for
Scott and Pueblo, and I have nothing against Scott.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I know you want to win.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I want to win two, but I want to winner.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I want somebody's gonna get in the arena Theodore Roosevelt style.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Be the man in the arena, be Trump like you
claim to be. Get in there, take.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Some punches, throw some punches figuratively, rhetorically, and tell me
what you stand for without cue cards, without readers, without
a podium in front of you, so you have notes
to refer to. Say what you mean, mean what you say,
say it from the top of your head. And then
I would ask any Marx supporter of this, what is
your favorite policy position of Victor Marx. And it's a
trap because once they try to express that I'm gonna say,
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you just expressed it better than Victor Marx could himself.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Right there, We're in the next hour.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We're gonna have John Fabricatory on and I'm going to
talk about some of those ten points that Victor Marx
outlined last night. It's the closest thing to policy other
than bringing back bringing back plastic bags that I've heard.
And I'll let you guys make the decision if if
what he's talking about are things that can actually be
done by the governor in the state of Colorado. Stick
(34:58):
with us. We're gonna have a little bit of an
extended break here. When we come back, we'll dive right
back into hour two, slicing and dis in the governor's
race and talking about Victor Marx's one fifty one event.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to the Dan Caples Show here with welcoming shaf
Steve Reims setting in as your guest host once again
on I guess it's a Wednesday afternoon. Kind of a
cool day because I picked this data host for Dan,
and when we were looking at the schedule, because yesterday
was the big gubernatorial debate down at Colorado Christian University,
I had hoped when I scheduled this day that one
(00:35):
Victor Marx would show up on the stage. Foolishly I
thought that might occur. But regardless, I was able to
attend the debate last night and watch Senator Barb Kirkmeyer
and stay Rep Scott Bottom square off, and it was
a sight to behold. They definitely distanced themselves once again.
The moderators, they played a different role in this debate
(00:58):
than what they might have in some others. Those moderators
being Michael Brown of KOA, Vince Bisdick of the Denver
Gazette and Sean Boyd of CBS four. All of them
came prepared for, you know, tough questions. Thought I thought
they did a great job of mixing up the questions
and kind of peppering the two debaters with the appropriate
(01:22):
the appropriate level of questions. And I took copious notes.
So we'll go through those as we kind of break
down the debate. But I'm not going to just sit
here and do that for the next two hours. We'll
have some contributors on to kind of give their review
of their take of those debates, and I obviously would
welcome you guys to do the same. You can text
in at five seven, seven, three nine, start your text
(01:43):
out with Dan. I'd love to hear your comments. But also,
there was another event that happened last night. Because we
know Victor Marx did not appear at the debate, he
decided to do his own live event and hosted some
place down in Colorado Springs and brought us followers in
and did one of his other one mission one fifty ones,
(02:03):
whatever that means, and did another i'll call it a
revival fundraiser rally whatever kind of gave his his typical spiel,
but ended it with his top ten priorities, and we'll
get to those as the show goes. But you know,
he made some comments during his his event that, you know,
(02:25):
I think for the people out there that really want
to see him on a debate stage, probably you know,
probably don't square up too good. You know, Victor has
made it clear that he don't. He doesn't think that
debates are very important, and he reiterated that through his
his event last night. I had the distinct pleasure and
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air quotes of listening to that this morning and marking
out time so that Ryan could spend thank you a.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Ton of time this morning.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
You know, I'm a fresh morning coffee and Sheriff Eemson
this time quote this one, and I'm going through sifting
through the ponderous Victor Marx audio over an hour and
a half.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So thank you. That's it. It's better than a donut
to go with my com.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, it definitely got your day started to where it
could only get better from that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Thank you. It's goodpctive.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You know, I try to be the optimus. Yeah, but
we'll start out with this clip that kind of sets
the tone for the Victor Marks event.
Speaker 6 (03:24):
This very night. There was a debate schedule that I
was going to go to, which debates are the dumbest
thing in politics that I'm hit a mouse to nothing,
especially when we have to go to a general Now
the general, I like general debate. That's when I'm I
(03:45):
wanted debate. Been at a wiser trust you me, I'm
that I'm excited about it. Yeah, yeah, I'll bring all
eighty points of my IQ. Fit Grave was the best
six years of my life.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Oh boy, I'm all for self deprecating humor and you know,
trying to get the crowd going. And I'll give I'll
give Victor his credit. You know, he's got a stick
on stage that his followers, they enjoy it. He tells
a lot of the same jokes over and over, his
dog acting like a cat. You know, his IQ level,
although that's I think that's a new one I haven't
heard before, eighty point IQ. And you know he's hoisting
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his belt up and talk about getting ready to square
off against the the Democrat contender, whoever that may be,
or both of them. Maybe he'll take on both of
them at same time. He won't take on both the
Republicans at the same time, but maybe the Democrats because
they're low hanging fruit.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I don't know if you had a private moment, not
that this would happen. Maybe in bizarre world. And let's
say you were having a beer or a whiskey. I
know that Ross Kamenski across the way Koa occasionally does
have a whiskey with one. Phil Weiser okay, Attorney General
sure or Michael Bennett.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
We're having a beer okay.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
At either one.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
And you caught them in an honest moment you said, hey,
you could you have your pick?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You're the nominee.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Congratulations, Either Michael Bennett or Phil Wise, you can have
your pick. It can be Barb Kirkmeyer, Scott Bottoms or
Victor Marx. Who do you want to run against? Who
do you think?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
They say, oh, Victor Marx every day and twice on
Sunday there is I mean, I got to be honest
with you.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I'd like to debate the guy.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I mean, and I'm not running for governor, but I
would genuinely I'll take him on. I mean, come on,
this guy has been he's been difficult to listen to.
He's been difficult to watch in a campaign for me anyways,
and it's not because I dislike the man for who
he is. I'm really frustrated that we can't what a real.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Deal on you.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
What do you make of what he just said? They're
trashing debates, which are you know, a cornerstone cornerstorm of
politics of our constitutional republic, going back to Lincoln and Douglas,
which I don't think you could name Stephen Douglas. I
would guarantee you Victor Marx has no blanking clue who
Stephen Douglas was. Abraham Lincoln. I'll grant that he knows
who Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well, probably not for debating, not for that debate.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
He wouldn't know what those were.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
No, No, not at all.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And again, you know, if you if you're a person
out there that went to that went to that event,
or you watched it online, and you say, man, that
guy he's he's my candidate, I really want to know
why five seven seven three nine texted in. Please let
me know what is it with the Victor marks draw
that that has you pulled in. I it just does
not resonate with me, but obviously it does with some
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in fact, when they would pan out to the crowd shocking.
It was shocking to see how excited some of those
people were. And he did have a crowd, you know.
He made a comment that there was no one at
the at the debate. That's definitely not true. That was
a pretty full house last night. It was late to
fill up. They started right on time, so I think
people were expecting things to kind of drag out, so
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people filled in a little late. But it was a
good crowd there they had. They had plenty of people
in attendance. And I got to tell you, I thought
again for the moderators, they came prepared. And we'll get
into more of that once we get Dick Wadams on.
I really want to get his point on some of
these questions.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah right.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
I see one of these posts here, and I don't
know if it's just this video platform, but it looks
like the one that we're hearing from this audio that
I edited through Mission one fifty one live from El
Passel County Town, YadA, YadA. It's at Victor Marx and
it says started forty six minutes ago, seventy three watching, Yeah, seventy.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Three, So I was sitting next to some friends of
mine during the debate last night, they had the video
feed pulled up, and I think the most we saw
it climb to was one hundred at any given point. So,
you know, yeah, he had he had some watchers, but
we're not talking you know, the entire state watching him.
You know, one hundred people. You got to figure that
he's got some followers out there that have donated to him.
(07:50):
They're they're invested in the cause, they want to see
him whin they bought a T shirt and also one
of the T shirt that I mean he gave. He
gave away T shirts to people who showed up and
turned in their debate ticket, right, he gave them a
free T shirt that I mean, you talk about a
slap in the face.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I just I find it. So it's just this low rent.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
There's a Spinal Tap reference for everything. And at one
point into Martin l Berghee who's played by Rob Reiner,
asks Ian, the manager of Spinal Tap, about the narrowing
audiences for the group, and he goes, I would just
say that becoming most selective.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And that kind of feels like what's going on here?
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And pretty soon Victor Marx is going to be opening
for a puppet show at Amusement Park.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I hope you're correct.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I mean, you know he watching this, And I encourage
anybody who's who's on the fence, you're trying to figure
out which candidate you you want to get behind. If
you if you have not made up your mind, go
watch the video. See some of the questions that he
asks of the crowd, and some of the the interactions
he has with the crowd, and and how that helps
set up what his campaign is all about.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
It's key visual that they're not going to see if
they hear you like CLIs on this program, sheriff Is,
he has to go behind a podium, put on his readers,
pull out his cue cards in order to read the
ten points that he talks about what he's going to
do in office. He could not recite it extemporaneously without
note cards.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
No, and we'll get to that in the next couple
of hours. We'll definitely get to some of those points.
But what I think what we'll do here at this
point is cut away to a break. When we come back,
we'll get Dick Autums on the line. We'll have him
with us for a couple of segments to kind of
interact and talk about the questions that he thought hit hard,
hit the hardest, the questions that he thought the candidates
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did the best at and who was the winner. I
have my pick, and I'm sure if you paid attention
last night, you might have yours. But we'll see when
we get back from break. You're listening to the dan Kaplay's.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Show and now back to the dan Kaplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Getting Away from the Grind if you will. So he
might even call in today to comment about the debate
if he had a chance to watch it last night.
But speaking of people who were going to talk to
us about the debate, we have Dick Watums with us
on the line. Dick, how are you doing tonight?
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Hey, Steve, I'm doing great. How were you doing?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I'm doing fantastic. And I know you probably watched the
debate last night. I don't know if you had a
chance to attend in person or if you watched it online.
I didn't see it there last night, so I'm assuming
it was online.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
Yeah, I watched it online.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, that's probably the smart thing. I think a lot
of people actually tuned in to watch it online. It's
just it's sometimes hard to get into those events, especially
at seven thirty at night. But so you know, that
was quite a different debate than what we've seen even
so far in this run up, just because the moderators,
I think they were a little more aggressive than what
we might have seen it pass debates. But what's your
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overall take on how last night went?
Speaker 8 (10:50):
You?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
We had Senator Kirkmeyer there and Scott Bottoms there, Dick Watums,
your former state chair. I mean, you've watched a ton
of these. How do you think they fared last night?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Well?
Speaker 9 (11:01):
I think the moderators did an excellent job. I have
a great deal of respect for all three of them,
and I knew they would do a great job. And
I thought that I thought, over the course of the
hour and a half, thieve that voters who were there
and watched it and voters who watched it online got
a real sense about these two candidates. Of course, we
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know that Mark's of bark Kirkmiro and I agree with
as a coward and will show up for debates. But
I thought that both candidates were given an opportunity to
kind of define themselves. Yeah, and I think they both
successfully did that. But I think that over the course
of the of the debate.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, I would agree with you. And I think when
you say define themselves, that can that can mean a
couple of things that can be good or bad, you know,
And I think that's the opportunity that Mark's misses. Having
said that, did you see any of his event? Did
you go back and watch the video of his one
fifty one of it.
Speaker 9 (12:01):
I've heard some of the eclipse from from the debate,
including the one that was played them.
Speaker 7 (12:07):
At the top of the hour.
Speaker 9 (12:09):
And I got to tell you what what what it
tells me when he declares the debate So the dumbest
thing in politics, who tells me he's not going to
show up for Channel nine next week?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well if you think if you think that's bad, take
a listen to this one real quick.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
I let people know, and I'll let you know tonight.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm not a politician. And then uh.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Yeah, right, I tell you I believe I could win
not only the primary but the general on two points.
Want to know what they are. I'm not a politician,
and I'm bringing back classic bags to grocery source.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's crazy plastic bags, that's all you need.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
It's crazy I'm telling Joe, I knew I had it
when I first announced plastic bags in the beginning. How
they whoa, honey, we got this in a yeah, thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Mister Wadhams.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
When you hear something like that, what does that make
you think? As a person who's been involved in politics
for all these.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
Years, it makes me think this, this guy is not serious. Listen,
I'm irritated by not being able to use plastic bags
and bags at the store as well, and I wish.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
That would be reversed.
Speaker 9 (13:31):
But I got to tell you, when you look at
all the challenges and the problems Colorado has right now
after eight consecutive years of total democratic control, and he
wants to throw in plastic back, he's not a serious candidate, Steve.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
I mean, he's just. He's just.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
There's no other word.
Speaker 7 (13:50):
That comes to mind for me than before.
Speaker 9 (13:52):
I just And the more we see him and hear
from him, it will be interesting if he shows up
next week at that debate, because I got to tell you,
the Kyle Clark will not be able to will not
let him get away with one liners like that, and
he won't have the adoring followers in the crowd on
on next Tuesday at the Channel nine. So I just
(14:15):
have to assume the debates are the dumbest thing in
politics according to him, and and this notion that he
likes general election debates.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Will exactly how would he know?
Speaker 7 (14:29):
And you know, and.
Speaker 9 (14:30):
Steve, I got to say, yeah, I've been fortunate enough
to work work for some great elected officials over my life,
and including Senator Armstrong and Senator Hank Brown and Senator
Wayne Eller and Governor Owen and Senator Johnson, and I
was involved in debates with every one of those candidates,
tough debates, consequential debates. And I will if he if
(14:53):
he thinks he can go into a debate a channel
in the general election without ever having done it, he
is he is. I don't know who his people are,
but they don't know what they're doing because he will
not be able to well.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
His claim to fame right now is having quote unquote
debated Candice Owin. And if I don't know if you
watched any of that, but that definitely wasn't a debate.
But getting back to the two candidates that were on
the debate stage, I mean, I thought you were right.
They definitely showed their differences they showed who they were.
Was there a question that stood out for let's start
with representing Scott Bottom. So is there an area where
(15:26):
he thought, hey, this guy he hit you know, he
got a base hit or he got a home run.
Was there a particular question that sticks in your mind
where he thought, okay, he nailed that one.
Speaker 9 (15:36):
Well, you listen, it's a big advantage for anyone who
runs forgether that they've served in the legislature. And so
Scott Bottom does hands the base of knowledge and the
ability to articulate it, and so I think he definitely
(15:56):
meant that criteria Steve, But overall, I don't think he
conveyed a deep mastery of the issues. I mean, his
discussion about farmers drilling for oil and their property and
water rights, and the way Michael Brown that kept following
up with him.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
It's just.
Speaker 9 (16:20):
It's clear he hasn't thought through the issue as much
as he tried to convey. And then I thought the
pedophile exchange was more torturous. I mean, now he's working
through a some FBI official in Georgia or something.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
He just doesn't He's not.
Speaker 9 (16:44):
As bad as Mark, but he just doesn't come across
as I think a serious candidate and somebody.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
Who you would have a lot of confidence.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Going into a general election campaign against two guys. One
he's been a US Senator for almost twenty years, right,
and one he's in attorney general for a You're that
he would be able to to to meet the incredible
candidate against Peter one of those candidates.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Well, I thought maybe he's I thought maybe his strongest
response was right out of the gate when they started
talking about the blueprint and kind of how Colorado had
been turned by you know, past striker Jared Poulis and
others into a state where Republicans are having a hard
time winning, and I thought Scott came out with a
very aggressive Hey, I want to be a you know,
(17:28):
this is a Marxist state, but I want to I
want to turn that around. He talked about he was
unwavering on Second Miment issues, on on life issues, on
Tabor issues, and that you know, there were certain things
he just would not he would not sway on.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah, I thought I thought that was a good message
to start, and then you're kind of I think you're right.
Everything kind of started to just drift off after that
when we got into the meat of the debate.
Speaker 9 (17:54):
Yeahs, going into a general election campaign is much different
than a primary, and I would say, yeah, what I
don't understand, Steve is that our candidates who are are
solely focused on winning a primary nomination and they give
no thought to the long term consequence. So it's of
everything they do in that primary bay and how that
(18:17):
affects the general hold And.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
That thought, Dick, We're going to go to break real quick.
When we come back, we'll finish that up. You listen
to Dan Capla show on six point thirty K how
was Steve Rings.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And when we went to break, we were chopping it
up with Dick Wadhams last right before we went to break,
kind of discussing how the governor's debate went last night
down at CCU and also the event that Victor Marks
hosted some of the audio from that. And as we
went to break, Dick, you were talking about how I
believe Representative Scott Bottoms is kind of he started out
(18:57):
playing really strong to his bass, kind of run into
the right I think not to put words in your mouth.
And then you were I think both kind of making
the point of how that doesn't necessarily translate into a
general you want to finish that point.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, Steve.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
I mean I just marvel at candidates to focus entirely
on winning a Republican nomination, but at the same time
not giving any thoughts to how what they say and
do in the primary affects how they will perform in
a general election.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
And when I.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
As I watched a representative bottoms last night, I kept thinking,
does he really think that that's kind of behavior, that
that his.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
How he how he acted last night is going to sound.
Speaker 9 (19:47):
The general election?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
It just isn't. And I just I don't. I just don't.
Speaker 9 (19:51):
Understand how people don't can't see that this electorate is
hard in Colorado. And by the way, Steve, it has
always been hard.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
I hear people say, oh, it used to be easy
to win Colorado. Well, it has never been anything, and
it's even harder today.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I don't disagree with you there.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And you know, as we were watching the debate last
night and kind of seeing how the campaigns are definitely
distancing themselves from one another, I thought you made a
point earlier about the issue of water and Sean Boyd
was asking about water in Colorado that was about halfway
through the debate. Basically, you know, how do we protect
Colorado's water in spite of the compact from nineteen twenty two,
(20:31):
and Scott Bottoms talked a lot about how he wanted
to redo the compact, And I thought one of Senator
kirkmeyer strengths was in this particular issue when she said, look,
it's not an issue of that compact being broken, and
in fact, if you open that compact back up, Colorado
stands to lose a lot. I thought her answer was
really spot on about how much water we send out
(20:52):
of the state that we're entitled to because we don't
have storage.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
What did you think of that answer?
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Well, I have the same reactions Steve. I mean, Barb
clearly has much more of a grasp of the reality
of the count the Colorada River Compact and the last
thing we need to do is to open that thing up.
And the fact that Representative Bottoms suggested that we need
to open the compact up, I thought, boy he really
(21:22):
it was just an example. He hasn't done the due
diligence of delving into these issues and understanding the consequences
of what he was proposing, and Barb Barb understands it.
I mean, as a Well County commissioner, she was immersed
in water issues. And I think that's the difference between
the two is Barb's Uh, Barb's background even before she
(21:45):
ever ended up in the car at the State Senate,
gave her a grounding and the issues that the government,
the next government is going to be facing. And she listen,
Colorado will elect another Republican go but not one that
bounces all over the place with all these ideological statements
(22:08):
that that that will, that will.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
That will be trained, or those those voters. I just
I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It was a little difficult to try to line those
two up when it came to water issues. But talking
about things that are a little difficult to line up,
I'm going to go back to a Marx clip here,
because uh, again we're talking about getting on the debate
stage and wanting to know what someone's about. And this
was a comment he made from his event last night.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
But I had to finally tell them, I go, man,
you don't want me to show up at your forms.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
And debates so bad?
Speaker 6 (22:39):
And you're telling me the people need to know you
have to reach some people. You got to come to
these things. I go, yeah, but they're small.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And boring.
Speaker 6 (22:54):
And if I'm supposed to go to help me out,
if you subtract the niner at the four dangle a participle,
if I don't go, doesn't that help y'all out?
Speaker 7 (23:15):
More?
Speaker 6 (23:19):
So I'm going to help y'all out and not go.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And I think that says everything you need to know
about what's likely to happen with the nine News debate.
I think that's Victor setting up the idea that he's
not going to attend. But that leads me into one
of the questions that I think that Senator kirk Meyer
and Representative Bottoms actually agreed on, which I found this
kind of ironic, And that question was, if you don't win,
(23:46):
the candidate's on the stage. If neither of you win
and Victor Marx becomes the candidate, which you support him
into the general election? And they both answered no. And
I'm not going to say for the exact same reasons,
but for basically the same reason. And Dick is as
a person who we have Dick Wottoms on the line,
you've been in politics for for a really long time.
(24:08):
Would that be the advice that you would give to
either of these campaigns of making that statement that no,
you won't support whoever the nominee is. I mean, what
do you think of that stance?
Speaker 9 (24:18):
Well, I think it's an insight into just how extraordinary
this primary is. Steve, we haven't seen anything like this
that I'm that my memory or knowledge of previous campaigns
you can indicate.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (24:32):
I mean, we've got you know, it's not candidates who
are who kind of come from the same perspective as
stout bottoms of certainly, and in the primaries before we've
had them.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
I look at Barbara Kirchmeier, and I look.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
Having run the Loan's campaign in ninety eight, I see
a lot of strengths that he had that she has.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
So, I mean, that's.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
All pretty standards. But this Mark candidacy is extraordinary from
the standpoint.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
That he I had heard of him.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
I'm maybe I'm just kind of ignorant about what's going
on in Colorado. I had never heard of the guy,
and he has run this campaign without having to really
engage his opponents or the public or the Republican Party,
and and his and he refuses to answer the questions
(25:21):
they have been posed to him by people like Peter
Boyles and others. That and Ryan Hewling for that matter,
the very first innery we did back what was that January.
I mean that that was a remarkable interview and it's
never gotten it hasn't gotten better.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
And so I don't I don't think anybody.
Speaker 9 (25:39):
Is owed an endorsement in the primary.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
I think you have to earn that. And I respect
both bart And and Scott were saying what they believe
is that that they both didn't consider him unfit for
the for the job, and if they feel that way,
they should not. There is no obligation for them to
support him.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, and they were both.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Scott was very quick to say he would support Barber
was a little more begrudging about her endorsement. She wanted
to basically see the pedophile issue to I guess, come
to rest or come to full fuition before she would
offer that offer that full endorsement. But I think her
leaning was if he went down that path and cleared
(26:20):
all that up, that she would likely endorse him. But
I mean, I thought last night's debate was probably the
most contentious between the two. I mean they definitely they
battled it out on some issues and also contentious with
the moderators. Michael Brown was very frustrated with Scott Bottoms
on a couple of points, and you know, the bottom
(26:41):
supporters will say that wasn't fair, but he wanted specifics
and wasn't getting him. Again, I don't know that I
would have necessarily taken it on the same direction as
a moderator, but I understood why Michael was frustrated.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
Oh, I agree, and I think the follow up questions
are what make a debate in many ways, but I
will That's why I do not think that Marks will
show up for Channel nine next week, and because Kyle
Clark is devastating in his ability to do the follow
up questions and I have and I have no doubt that. Well,
(27:16):
let me I want to make one more point. If
Barcart or barb Burgmeier or in the Republican nomination, they
will be better general election candidates because they did do
last night's debate. They did do they have done for them,
they will they will both be better and better prepared
to do it.
Speaker 7 (27:36):
I go back.
Speaker 9 (27:37):
I do not understand this thinking that well, you know,
debates are they're dumb there. I just don't know how
you think you can go into a debate with one
of those Democratic candidates and think you're going to stand
in the box if you've never.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Done it before. I don't get that at all.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Well, Michael Bennett's got a lot of years of standing
on the floor of the US Senate and you know,
firing shots at the opponents across the other side. I
say that figuratively, not literally, but you know, whether he's
good at it or not, he's done it for a
long time, and you know, it's hard to go up
against someone who's comfortable in that arena when you haven't
(28:15):
been there. So I can't imagine Victor being on a
debate stage against Wiser or Bennett and faring better than
he would have against.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Barb or Scott last night.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
But all that being said, maybe they've got the secret
sauce and we'll find out in just a little while.
Let's wrap this up with just a quick question. Who
won last night?
Speaker 9 (28:37):
Well, I think that Barb kirk Meyer demonstrated that she
is best prepared with the two candidates. She has the
stronger grants for the issues. I think I think her
demeanor came across its something that would appeal to something
beyond the Republican base, and that's the only way you're
going to win a general action in Colorado. I think Scott,
(29:01):
I think he does have a base of knowledge of
having been in the legislature, but I just don't think
his his his demeanor will be attractive to the candidates
who will determine this general election.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Well to both their points, at least they were on
the stage, and I give them each of them credit
for that. Dick, thanks for being on the show with us.
Thanks for kind of dicing this up a little bit,
and we look forward to having you back on in
the future again. Thanks, thanks for being on the show.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
We're going to go to break you listen to Dan
Capla's show here with Well Kunny Sheriff Steve Raims as
your guest host here on six point thirty.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
K and now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
We got a bunch of texts to get to, but
we've had Scott from Pueblo on the line for quite
some time and he wants to talk to us about
Victor Mark.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Scott, what do you have to say?
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Yeah, I was just curious. Man. Well, like I said,
I listen to the show regularly, and yeah, Dan's been
on vacation. That it's a constant conslot of anti Victor Mark.
So I'm not a fan for him or against him.
Generally enjoy when you're on the radio, but man, this
is this is getting brutal.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, I got to be honest with you. It's not
the space I necessarily want to be in, but I'm
invested in the governor's race. I want to know, you know,
who are who are who our candidate can be? And
I'm I'm frustrated by not seeing Victor Marx on the stage.
I know he puts a lot of stuff out through
social media, but it's really hard to know someone until
you get a chance to ask him those direct questions.
And that's just the thing that we're not getting to do.
(30:29):
I mean, do you have do you have a candidate
that you're you're saying, hey, that's probably my person right now.
I mean even if that's Victor, I mean, I got
no issue with that. I just I want to know
from those people who are supporting Victor, why, Like, what,
what's the thing that he's checked the box?
Speaker 8 (30:44):
For so, like the caller said the other day, at
least he's come down to Pueblo.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's part any of them.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
And I'm not I'm not pro. But he came to
the church down here and spoke and that's more than
you've gotten from kirk Meyer or Bottoms. And like I said,
all I want is to win. Like you, Oh yeah,
I'm so done with the Democrats in the state. So
but you know, man, it's just like I said, for
what two weeks, three weeks now it's every day. I'm like, man,
(31:12):
I gotta.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Turn the radio off.
Speaker 7 (31:13):
I understand, tell a man.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
And I'm not really pro him. I'm pro whoever can
win for.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Us well and candid with you, I'm there's going to
be some people even in this uh, in this listening
audience that are going to give a hard eye roll.
If he's the candidate. I'm going to support him, and
you know that that's going to be hard for some
people to understand. But I've been through the Dan Mays
experience and I watched a lot of people walk away
front from him as a candidate, and rightfully so, there
(31:40):
are a bunch of people that said this guy, he
can't win, but the risk was becoming a minority party,
the Republican Party, becoming a minority party and having no
status in the state of Colorado. And man, you've got
to be on the team. And the way I look
at is, you know, we've got to try to get
somebody across the finish line.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
I have.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I've made it very parent that I'm supporting Barb Kirkmeyer,
but I support the team when it's all said and
done for sure. Well, thanks for calling in, and Scott,
I will tell you I got some information last night
from the Kirkmeyer team that they are heading to Pueblo.
I don't know the date, but I bet if you
got on one of their websites or looked around a
little bit, they should be producing that out there. And
(32:19):
it's directly from this show from people calling in and
saying we haven't seen candidates down in Pueblo. So I
know they're scheduling some events down there. So keep listening,
stick with us, and I know it's brutal sometimes, but
thanks for calling in.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Bet.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
All right, let's get to some of these texts. We've
got some good ones here. It says Dan. If winning
was easy, everyone would do it.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
That's to go. That's to Dick Wadam's point. Another one here.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Trump just sent forty million to the Western Slope and
Senior water rights is in exchange for Peters. And I
did see a story about that, I think on the
Colorado Sun. I didn't have time to read it in
the break, but he did free up some money that
had frozen when he first came back into office. I
don't know if that's directly in exchange for Tina Peters,
but it looks like the timing might be suspicious. What's
(33:09):
your take on that one question?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
I think that's a It's totally within the realm of possibility.
There has to be something more to the motivation of
Governor Polis to do this, rather than just the goodness
of his heart.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
A free speech element that sits well.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
You know, I want to be optimistic and I want
to think that he did it for the right reasons,
but I think there's something in the calculus right that
had to have benefited him or, you know, to be fair,
the state of Colorado, which was getting pummeled and pillaged
by President trus space Force leaving the Arkansas Conduit Act
being rejected in spite of the fact that both Representative
(33:43):
Bober and Representative.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Herd tried to override at via veto, they did not
have the votes for that.
Speaker 5 (33:47):
So there was a there was a political element to
this as well as there always is going to be.
And I'm not saying that's against Polis at all, but
on the political front, I'll just say this as we
go to break to get this in this hour for
Scott and Pueblo, and I have nothing against Scott.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
I know you want to win.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
I want to win two, but I want to winner.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I want somebody's gonna get in the arena Theodore Roosevelt style.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Be the man in the arena, be Trump like you
claim to be. Get in there, take.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Some punches, throw some punches figuratively, rhetorically, and tell me
what you stand for without cue cards, without readers, without
a podium in front of you, so you have notes
to refer to. Say what you mean, mean what you say,
say it from the top of your head. And then
I would ask any Marx supporter of this, what is
your favorite policy position of Victor Marx. And it's a
trap because once they try to express that I'm gonna say,
(34:32):
you just expressed it better than Victor Marx could himself.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Right there, We're in the next hour.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We're gonna have John Fabricatory on and I'm going to
talk about some of those ten points that Victor Marx
outlined last night. It's the closest thing to policy other
than bringing back bringing back plastic bags that I've heard.
And I'll let you guys make the decision if if
what he's talking about are things that can actually be
done by the governor in the state of Colorado. Stick
(34:58):
with us. We're gonna have a little bit of an
extended break here. When we come back, we'll dive right
back into hour two, slicing and dis in the governor's
race and talking about Victor Marx's one fifty one event.
Hair on the Dan Kaplas Show six point thirty KHI
with Will kind of Sheriff Steve Riams as your guest host.
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