July 13, 2026 • 35 mins
In a heated discussion about the upcoming Colorado governor's race, the speaker weighs in on the candidacy of Victor Marx, a Republican who won the primary but is now facing scrutiny over his past claims of high-risk missions to rescue women and children. The conversation gets intense as the speaker questions whether Marx's story is true or a fabrication, and what this means for the party's chances in the general election.
This episode delves into the complexities of the governor's race, where Marx's campaign is facing criticism for not adequately addressing concerns about his past. The speaker argues that if Marx's story is indeed false, it could have serious consequences for the party's credibility in future elections. Meanwhile, some listeners defend Marx, pointing out that he has helped many people and that his story is inspiring, even if it may be exaggerated.
The discussion touches on the importance of transparency and accountability in politics, with the speaker emphasizing that voters deserve to know the truth about their candidates. The conversation also highlights the challenges of navigating the fine line between supporting a candidate who may have flaws and the need to maintain the party's integrity.
If you're interested in hearing more about the complexities of the Colorado governor's race and the implications of Marx's candidacy, tune in to this episode to hear the full discussion and decide for yourself what you think.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
American White glad you were here at three h three
seven one three eight two five five d an five
seven seven three nine A guy who fought so well
for it. Lindsey Graham, God rest his soul, And we're
playing some of that sound today. I know there are
probably some folks listening who aren't big fans of Lindsey Graham,
maybe thought he was of this, or thought he was that.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I've seen a text or two to that effect, and
I'll get to those.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm on the polar opposite side of that, not saying
I agree with everything he's ever said or done, but
he accomplished I think a tremendous amount. I think his
most important accomplishment was the key role he played in
saving the nomination of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and in the process,
you know, saving the burden of proof, because if the
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mob had succeeded in taking down Kavanaugh, which would have
been one of the most unjust things in American history,
then at that point, the presumption of innocence thought it
would have been gone forever, because that was the whole
idea in those hearings that Kevin al was presumed guilty
because the Left said he was guilty, and they found
some Waco to claim he was guilty. And I shouldn't
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call her that. Even the Kevanaugh family prayed for her.
She was probably used as a political poem upon and
her vulnerabilities manipulated into a political effect to quote doctor Ford.
But the reality is that was a wrongly accused man
who they were ready to destroy, and the presumption of
innocence was gone forever. And Lindsey Graham, who had a
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lot of credibility on both sides of the aisle, had
an epic moment in that hair And I'm going to
play the sound, if not in this segment, then the next,
because their lines are in fuego and.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
That was heroic and courageous.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And Trump was courageous as well, sticking with that nomination,
and thank god he did so Lindsey Graham will be missed,
but we'll get to those textures who disagree, which I
think is a sad reflection on the state of our
politics because the other thing.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Many things right. But Lindsey Graham.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is also a great role model, I think for all
of us involved in conservative politics Colorado, any swing state,
but really anywhere, because it's the right thing to do.
And he was always a happy warrior, a joyful warrior.
And when you look at the most successful Republicans, they
all are and Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Now, he's a tough.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Guy, right, and he's taught the GOP to fight, which
you have lasting benefit, but he is very often a
happy warrior and that was an enormous part of him
winning both of those races.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That combination.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
But you got to have that happy piece in there too,
especially if you're a conservative, because of the way they
try to stereotype us. All right, let's get back to
the phone lines and text and then if you're just joining,
thank you. But you'll hear some references to Dan Mays.
I won't do the whole riff I did just before
the break, but a Texter was saying, hey, do you
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think Victor Marx is going to do worse than Dan Mays?
And I said absolutely not. I mean, Dan Mays ended
up with eleven percent of the vote as a GOP.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That is not easy to do. Now.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Part of that was Tom ten Credo was in the race. Heroically.
Tom entered the race to try to save the race
for the GOP because the Dems had poured a bunch
of money into make Mays the nominee, and he had
no chance to win.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Did Mays? Tom did, and almost did?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean kicking Luper ended up getting fifty one percent,
Tom thirty six percent in May's eleven percent.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But that was a very weird situation.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Now some may argue, hey, wait a second, this is
weird too, because you have these unusual issues surrounding Victor,
who comes into this race with a different kind of background,
and then you have you know, your independent candidate and
Greg Lopez. So some are saying you could end up
with the same kind of scenario. I don't think so,
but we'll get to that and welcome those who disagree.
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As always, let's go down to beautiful Pueblo. I assume
listening on the Great KCSJ. Patrick, you're on the Dan
Kaplis sholl welcome.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
All right, man, Hey, as far as I'm concerned, achieve
and you like you're doing the Democrats work for them.
How so, my friend, the reason I say that is
because you're concentrating on karm On Victor Marx and the Republicans'.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Chances and this and that and the other.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
When you are to be concentrating on what the Democrats
have done over the last eight years with all their legislation.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, let me ask you if I was to do that,
Let's say that that I just sat here every day
and talked about with you and I can agree on,
which is that the Democrats are pursuing wicked policies that
have been disastrous for the state. Right, how does that
help the GOP?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
How can I not help the deal?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Because a fair question, my friend Patrick, everybody already knows that.
I mean, the people of Colorado know Democrats have run
everything forever, and they know how the state's operating, and
they keep voting.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Don't thank that a lot of people who pay who
don't pay any attention, actually realize that there's a lot
of people don't pay attention, that don't listen to talk
radio or.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The or you guys.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And I just happen to think that there's a lot
more to be said about it than you're willing to say.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It is said about how bad the Democrats are.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, wow, what they've actually done.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
If somebody goes through the legislation over the last eight
years and actually tell the people and how it affected
their lives over the last eight years, I think it
might help people understand why we don't want a Democrat
in there again.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, Patrick, I can say this with great confidence. Literally,
there is nobody on air who has said more about
that more specifically, for as long as I have no
matter what failure it is from the Democrats, what monstrosity.
I've been on air for about thirty years pointing that
out in very specific terms. I've gone to war on
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air with all the top Democrats. I've had some of
them threaten to sue me if the number of deaths,
threats and worse from the left you wouldn't even believe.
So I've paid my dues there. What I would suggest,
my friend, is that if we're being realistic about how
to win not just now but in the future and
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end this reign of error that has hurt this state
so deeply, we've got to be clear eyed about our
own GOP and what we need to do differently in
order to win. And So, when I'm sitting here and
I'm faced with this very unusual situation of a candidate
like Victor Marx, who I believe is either one of
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the most admirable people to ever enter Colorado politics or
maybe a fraud, do you suggest I just ignore that
and then just say, Okay, we're all lining up behind Victor.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Let's go get the Democrat.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
That's what I would do. That's my PASSI victory line
up behind him, all the Republicans and the independence and
the crossovers, what the Democrats have done, reiterate that they've
probably forgot it over the last eight years. That's my past,
the victory.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let me ask you, my friend, Let's let's say we
do that and it turns out that Victor is a fraud.
I'm not saying he is. He's either one or the other. Right,
Let's say it turns.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
This point in time, I don't really make any difference
whether he's a fraud or not. He's our Republican candidates
vote formed me.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You don't. And here's what I would ask you.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Let's say it turns out he is a fraud and
we have all just blindly lined up behind him. What's
that going to mean for the credibility of the GOP
and future races that we're trying to win.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, that's the point.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
See, that's my concern.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That's my concern, my friend, because I know I know
you want to win. You see the evil and wicked
policies the Democrats person who like I do and believe me,
I want to win as much as you do. I'm
just thinking about beyond this race. I'm thinking about the
other candidates in these races, the GOP candidates who have
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a better chance to win than Victor does. If we've
all now better credibility on the fact he's not a
fraud and he's proven to be a fraud, and that's
an if, that's an If he's proven to be a fraud,
what does that do to our effectiveness and all these
other races, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's what those other people and the other races ought
to be doing. They ought to be talking more about
the Democrats and what they've done with years. That's their campaign.
They should be doing that. Well they are, and we
all do.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Patrick, I think the realistic challenge for us is if
people aren't living it in this state right because the
Democrats have trashed the state in so many ways. If
people aren't experiencing that themselves, they're not going to believe
anything we tell them about how.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Bad it is.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know, I think our challenge is, Okay, you already
know how bad it is because you're experiencing it, or
friends of yours are, et cetera. Here's why we are,
here's why we are an acceptable alternative. And if we
all just blindly line up behind a guy who there
are some credible, serious accusations against without first clarifying whether
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they're true or not, then how are we going to
have ever going to have the credibility with those people
to persuade him that we're a viable alternative to the
Democrat failures.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Well, then maybe we ought to pull a Harris, get
rid of him on the ballot and put somebody else
on a have a special convention, state convention.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, Patrick, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I don't think that would be fair to Victor because
he won fair and square and his campaign was brilliant.
They saw the math. There weren't going to be many
unaffiliateds in our race. They focused on their core support,
and he had the loyal core support. I don't think personally,
I don't think it'd be fair to Victor right now
in my mind to conclude that he is a fraud.
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I think there have been serious questions raised. I'd like
to give him, as I said during the primary, I'd
like to give him a chance to take those questions
head on and then hopefully he can put those concerns
to rest.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That's my hope.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
The other thing is I really just need clarity on
his abortion position. No reason to believe that it's going
to be the wrong position, but need to be sure
it's the right position. You're on the dan Kapla Show.
Most callers talking about the governor's race in Colorado right now,
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particularly the GOP side of that. So many interesting issues there.
We've been talking a lot about Lindsay Graham playning some
of that heroic sound of Graham in that Kevinaugh nomination
where he played a major role in saving the day
not just for now but into the future, and does
so much more on the docket. Let's go back to
the phone lines. We'll go to Beautiful for Collins, Colorado. Tyler,
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you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Welcome, Hey, buddy.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
You good to talk to you again. Thank you. Hey.
You know, can I ask you a question? Yes, yes, sir,
Do you agree that in this game that you will
play to me in that all costs.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You mean, within the bounds of the law. I mean,
of course, I know you meant that, Tyler. I know
you meant that. Personally.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Personally, I mean, I mean, as a movement, do you think, well.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Anything, And I'm not trying to quibble or anything like that.
I'm just telling you that.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And I know I do a poor job of it,
but I try to do everything in terms of the
light of eternity, right in light of eternity. And so
for me personally, I won't lie. Now that's not illegal
to lie in a political race, but I won't lie.
I'm sure you won't lie. So I wouldn't want to
answer the question that broadly. What I would say is, obviously,
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I'm a fighter. Look at what I do for a living,
look at the success I've had. I am a fighter.
But I've got to believe it's a righteous cause. And
then you've got everything I've got.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Do you think that the Democrats should say that same point? No, So,
at what point, as the creature of God, do you
not kind of take up that sword and advance forward
and say, you know what we've got to win at
some point?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, that's all point of a righteous cause, right, I mean,
one of the reasons it's righteous is because you're fighting
it in a righteous way. I mean, if the logic
and I'm not sure, you're suggesting this if the logic
is and justifies the means, and as long as our
cause is righteous, we can break the law, we can lie,
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we can cheat.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I would disagree with that.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Do you think that Victor Marx is dangerous for Colorado?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
No? No, I don't, I really don't.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
We have four months to get this wind done. Yeah,
and we're sitting at it. It's going to get swallowed
up faster than we can possibly imagine. And we're still
talking about, let's how how can we validate Victor Marx
who just won the primary?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I don't. I don't love the man one way or another.
I'm generally on the same page as you, and I
think a lot of people's questions and whatnot, But at
some point we have got to move forward to this fight.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I agree one my friend, and that the fact that
there are these lingering questions I think needs to be.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Brought back to Victor.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Because Victor had the entire primary season to address these
questions head on.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And get rid of them before the general we.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Asked him to come on this show to do it
where he had been treated so well and with such respect,
and we had such an enjoyable time in studio for
an hour. He would not come on the show to
do that.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
And there's something in that though. I mean, you really
have to kind of look in a little bit under
the sheets with this thing. Sometimes people do things in
this world that are not savoring, and we don't know
all the about You asked Donald Trump how many people
he killed in Iran with that first strike at the girls' school.
We don't want to talk about a lot of stuff.
So like, the more we sit here and just let
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things do in this thing, it's like the last caller said,
we are not highlighting what the Democrats had done to
this state, right, there has to be some forward motion
to go. Your campaign needs to be about the fire
that is about to be set to this stake quite literally.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, well then, and you're a tremendous color tyler. So
I would ask you this, where the hell is the
campaign he won last week?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Where is the campaign?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's what I'm they have won. These guys aren't doing
it right. They are successful at what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The primary, yes, and I praised them over and over.
They scoped it out, they were brilliant, but that they
ran a very close to the vast primary zeroed in
very wisely on their part when your goal was to
win the primary, very wisely on their base, and it
worked for him by about three thousand votes. And they
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deserve all the credit in the world. That strategy has
no hope in a general election. So where has the
campaign been since they won? And I know people will say, well,
it's only been a few days. Yeah, but those are
choice days, those are prime days because you just won
and the spotlights on you.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And you're a winner.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Where's the campaign, like statewide, where's the campaign?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
You'd be surprised what they're doing on on social media.
I mean, he's he's got he's got some movement forward,
and that's where I think that it's it's it's that
step past the finish line. Is now the new race begins,
and it's just you know, I mean, Dan, I grew
up here. This this is the nail in the coffin.
If we don't, if we don't buckle up, take a big,
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deep breath and make something happen, if we got to
choke on it a little bit, you know, we got
to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, Tyler may ask you, you're welcome to stay through
the break because you are such a great caller and
a great thinker. But isn't the real nail in the
coffin now and and for at least the next several cycles,
if we just blindly lined up behind a guy who
has had the chance to answer fair questions that have
been raised and has chosen not to.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
It doesn't that I would I would say the same
about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Oh, hey, can hold on, because I want to continue
this called truly tyler, because.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I think there are dramatic differences.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I mean, Trump participated in every debate everybody offered, and
he went out to try to find some of his
own and constant, constantly at least fought the claims against
him or denied or argued whatever right right, And were
there's some questions he wanted to step around, like tax
or turns.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Sure, but he.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Was out there in about every debate he could find.
He would sit down with every reporter, even these extremely
dishonest reporters on the left, he would sit down with.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But his greatest strength in some ways, Yeah, and nobody
could be nicer.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Nobody could be nicer to Victor Marx than I was
during the hour we spent together in studio, very enjoyable, hour.
I asked him to come back, just hey, let's talk
about these these questions that have been raised. Take him
out on He wouldn't do it. What am I supposed
to do with that was over at the bottom. But Tyler,
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who disagrees with me on much not all is so exceptional,
just wanted to continue doing that because it taps into
a bigger conversation I think that's going on around the state,
and one that most Republicans have never had to engage in,
particularly after a primary where somebody wins the primary fair
and square, as Victor Marx did. But questions remain, So
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I won't replay everything that Tyler and I were talking about.
It did, though, go to break with this with this
question about an imperiaphrasing you Tyler about President Trump. Didn't
he dodge some tough questions, you know, throughout his career
And I was just making the point at the end
of the segment, Tyler, feel free to respond that wait
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a second. Trump Trump participated in every debate anywhere, and
then he went out and he gave interviews to everybody
who ask on the right and left, and I think
that's a distinction with Victor.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, but He also sides step to Egene Carol case altogether,
I don't know, It's not something I even want to
jump in on. And what I'm saying is that this
purity test that we are all, you know, trying to
get to, you know, the shining sword on the mountain.
But we gotta we gotta get around that. I mean,
there's there's something out there that is about to crush
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this state for good. I see the young people are
absolutely apoplectic about politics. They can't afford anything handed these
kids a place where they can't have to leave. It's
it's it's not something that we can afford to sit
and ask why this guy has this kind of motion
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and why he does this. We got to move forward
at some point. We have four months to do this thing.
How how much longer are we going to sit on
this thing before the Democrats just wash their hands and
go thank you for doing doing our job.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, they're already saying that. They're already saying that. They
said that, can I play this out for a second, Tyler,
and I will literally give you the rest of the
show in tomorrow's because you are so good. But they've
already done that. Because our nominee is out there saying
that he can't tell you how many people he's killed,
and he's out there refusing to answer some pretty important,
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straightforward questions.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That does not mean that he is guilty of the
things he's accused of.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But when he won't address them head on, what other
conclusion do you expect people to draw. So we are
in a tremendous hole right now, and part of it
is not Victor Mark's fault. I truly believe that you
could take the best GOP candidates we've had in the
last thirty years and you could put him into this
governor's race and it would be very hard, if not impossible,
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for them to beat the Democrat in this current climate.
So it is not going to be a negative reflection
on Victor Marx if he loses this race, But if
he is on willing to address these fair questions that
have been raised, it's probably going to be a wipeout.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Dan, my granddad would never tell me how many people
he killed. Either, Well, it's a.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Good thing he's not running for governor. Well that was
your granddad in the military. Yes, okay, Victor, I mean
that's a different issue here. Tyler is is we're talking
about people killed outside of the military.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That was the premise of the question.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And understand all this it's a big show.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
You know Kyle Clark, Carle Clark went he had he
had so much meat he could cut it was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, but what's interesting is he won't cut that same
meat when he's got it on the Democrats. So we
know what his we know where he's coming from. But
but these were still fair questions to Victor. And all
I'm saying is, when you've got your nominee saying he
won't tell you how many men he's killed outside the military,
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that's a tough starting point.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
But would you advise anybody to do that?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
No, But I'd say i'd advise that if you're going
to run for governor, then at that point be ready
to answer the tough questions. And no, and let me
get back to the point that you made, my friend,
because I agree with you entirely. We are making a
big mistake if we demand perfection from any of our
nominees for any race, because we're never going to find it.
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Every nominee we've ever had or ever will is going
to have made big mistakes in their life. So this
isn't about that, and it's not about a purity test
on issues. For me, there's only one issue that applies
to which is the life issue because it's foundational. But no,
to me, it's about are we going to have credibility
as a party in the other races we have in
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this cycle and in future races if we blindly lined
up behind a nominee before these important questions are answered.
I hope he can answer them well and that I
can dive into his race enthusiastic. But can you see
the risk and just blindly lining up behind him when
when we know he hasn't answered these questions yet, other
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than to say go away, of.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Course you do you question this fake?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Does that playing any of that what we just talked about?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
No? But what does what does my friend?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It goes back to and tell me if you disagree
with this premise, he is either one of the most
admirable people to ever enter Colorado politics or one of
the worst.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Because I don't question his faith in God. But if
he lied.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
To church goers to get money from them, and I underline,
if I'm not concluding he has if he lied to
church goers in order to swindle them out of money.
That's one of the worst things a person could possibly do.
And that is the question on the table. Did he
do that? I have not concluded he did, but he's
he's got to provide more information.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Wouldn't it be on somebody's to prove that he did.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Not if you're running for governor. If you're running, you.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Have to prove every allegation if it's false. Not ever,
not every, but if somebody needs to step all allegations
that this man has just swindled, you know, financial whatevers.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
All All allegations are not created equal, and and somebody
can pop up and make any kind of false allegation
they want. And that doesn't mean that a candidate should
dignify it with the response, not at all.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
But in this.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Case, in this case, people have come forward with some
very fair questions that have not been adequately answered. And
maybe they have been answered and I just have missed it.
But but I've asked Victor to just come in. Okay,
let's lay him out, Let's lay out the top ten
accusations against you.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Just take the.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Hour and just respond to him and show people where
you're right, and the accusers are wrong, and he has
not been willing to do that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Again, the guy's pulled something off remarkable, and he's done
something because he has chosen a path that has suited
him excellently. And I don't know what to say about
that other than he is sitting now at the position
in a race like a racehorse, that we're either going
to sit here and clean this horse to death before
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it even has the chance to run, or we're just
going to go. You know what, we already know what
we're going to get at the end of this race
if we don't do something forward. I just I don't
know where else to.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Stand on that and to go with that metaphor.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
What I would say is if we all hop onto
this racehorse now, knowing that that there's the possibility that
he's a total fraud, we run the risk of tanking
every race and all of our credibility for cycles to come.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Is it worth that risk?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I don't know if it's going to matter, to be
on with you. I don't think these kids honestly care
about voting Republican or Democrat in the future. I think
this is the last race of the Republicans period. Well,
something doesn't change.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
But can you help me understand why, because listen, you
are right about how bad it is. You are right
about that. But for that very reason, we've got to
make sure we don't tank what remaining credibility we have
by lining up behind this guy until we were sure
we know what we're lining up behind. And I hope
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it's all those good things.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I want to be able to support him, but every
voter has a right to have these fair questions answered.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And I don't think he's done that yet.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Of course, And I understand that's what I'm saying. Time
is of the essence.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
You know, well, then he better get going. He better
get going, because he's the guy you just.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Bring forward something, right, Somebody needs to say, this is
how you defrauded me, like point blank, you know how
many other candidates for governor got grilled by Candace Owens?
Doesn't I assume? Odd?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, I don't know, listen, and I'm no kindis Owens fan.
But my point is this, these are fair questions, and
I understand your point that, Okay, somebody needs to step
forward and say, here's the check I wrote him, Here's
how he defrauded me, I respectfully disagree. He chose to
run for governor and he knows that a key part
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of his resume and the reason he's so admired by
so many good people is the claim that he has
conducted all these high risk missions around the world to
rescue people. I think, my friend and you are awesome, Tyler.
I hope you call back every day. I think when
you're going to step up and raise money based on
that claim and run for governor based on that claim,
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you got to be able to back it up.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You're on the dan Kaplace Show.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Dan, I'd like to say I agree with the previous call,
and I also want to thank you for being one
of the kind radio talk show hosts that we have
around here in Denver. But I just wanted to add that,
you know, if you're making a purchase, if you're buying
a car, you're probably gonna want to do a little
research on that car. So there are plenty of there's
a documentary on Victor, plenty of things online that people
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can look at to get an idea and a foundation
about his life and what he's doing. As far as
I'm answering every little question he's he has said that
he's he has. He's said numerous times that he's not lying.
I believe he's a true Christian. But the other thing
is in a court of law, supposedly the accuser is
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the one who has to have who has the burden
of proof. And if somebody ripped me off for some money,
I could I could tell you exactly what it was
and how it happened. And I haven't seen any of
the accusers and the gossipers and the slanders. I haven't
seen anybody come up with any specifics, you know. And
I've listened to two other people who say they won't
vote for their party. It's just it's this state has
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you know, we need to we have somebody who I
believe can change things and fix things. And if we're
going to put them through the meat grinder, then kind
of like the guy said previously, we're doing all the
Democrats work for them and we can get some questions answered.
But I know a lot of stuff that he does.
He helps women and children, you know, rescue them. I mean,
he had a horrible childhood. So yes, he's pro life.
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As far as you were asking earlier about whether he's
pro life or not, I mean, he's definitely more pro
life than soil Wiser, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
We can jump in for a second because you're great,
but you're on point like six in and I want
to make sure I have a chance to respond because
our audience turns over every ten or fifteen minutes, so
I want to make sure they understand a few things
in And that is one that the last caller, Tyler,
asked me a good question.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
He said, do you question Victor Mark's faith? And I
said no, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I don't question him when he says he's a Christian
who truly believes in God, etc. I don't question any
of that. I'd respectfully reject the analogy to a courtroom
where criminal defendant is innocent till proven guilty. If somebody
walks into a job interview and they want a big
job and they say, hey, I went to Yale Law School,
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it's not unfair to ask them to produce their transcript
from Yell Law School. And that is what I think
the voters are entitled to here show us the transcript.
Victor Marx's entire story, including a success in this governor's
race in the primary, is based upon the claim that
he has gone on over one hundred high risk overseas
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missions to rescue women and children. And if that is true,
and I want it to be true. I love the
idea of a Victor Marx. I want it to be true.
I want to back him with everything I have, but
a damn well better be true. And I am not
going to back somebody who may be a fraud. I
underline may if they're not willing to stand up and
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answer these direct questions. I don't want to be told
talk to Reagan the dog. I don't want to be asked,
are you questioning Reagan's honesty? I want direct answers to
fair questions. And the man is chosen to run for governor,
and he's chosen to build his entire story around what
is either one of the most beautiful, inspiring, great true
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stories of all time or it's a fraud. And I
think I have a right to have these questions answered.
And if he disagrees with that, I respect it. But
why would hear his campaign think they're entitled to your
vote or my votere Tyler's vote, or anybody's vote if
they're not willing to answer those questions.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Yeah, I personally. Don't think one hundred and thirty is
a huge number for him, not he himself personally, but
him and his people. I don't think one hundred and
thirty is a fantastic number, so to speak. I mean,
there's a lot of people out there rescuing women and
children from sex trafficking, and I know a lot of
churches do it and a lot of people do it,
and you know that. Just I don't find that to
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be such a hard to believe number. There was another
number on his website that was corrected, But I just
I get.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Forty five thousand number that the website claimed that he'd
rescued forty five thousand, And can you say put.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
On there inadvertently? I don't know. I'm just do you
believe that?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Do you believe in?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Let me?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
And I don't mean to interrupt you at all, because
I want his story to be true. And I'm not
sitting here saying I know it to be false. I'm
sitting here saying what I think any sensible person is saying.
There are fair questions he has not answered, But but
can we agree, can we agree that if those claims
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are false, we should not be supporting him.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, I just think that I know what a lot
of what he does is top secret, and where he's
going and what he's doing. So certain things I guess
like military people, and I know he's a marine, and
I know he hasn't done everything in the military. But
if you talk about everything you're doing, you know you're
exposing you know, being able to the safety of people
and being able to do it. Again. See, there are
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a lot of videos in other people other people that
have spoken for him, not he himself. He's not tooting
his own horn, but there are many other people that
have went on these missions with him that have spoken
for him. And I've heard that.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I guess because I'm sorry, I've got in rupt for
a second, and so sorry, don't mean to be disrespectful,
not tuning his own horn. He wrote a book called
Dangerous Gentleman. He has raised a lot of money off
of this story that I want to be true.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I hope is true. I pray is true, but maybe false.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
So this is not a case of some shy, humble
guy who somebody found, you know, in a corner church
pew and pride it out of him that he committed
all these heroics. Do you have any concern at all
that this story may be false?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
I don't. I tend to have a good I don't
like to say it, but I don't want to say
women's intuition, but I get a good sense with people.
And if it's between him and Phil Wiser, that's pretty
much a no brainer. You know. I know he cares
about the state and he cares about the people like
I do. And he said himself, I mean, and this
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is how I'm feeling. We either fix the state to
remove out No.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
That is so true, And I want to get back
to your point about Phil Wiser. I appreciate that very much,
that comparison, because Wiser back some truly wicked policies. But
if you want to tank the GOP in this state
for years to come worse than it is now, then
just blindly get behind a candidate who may I hope not,
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and I haven't concluded he is.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
But maybe a fraud.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Because if it is proven by the Democrats that he
is a fraud and we've all blindly lined up behind him,
what does that do to our chance of winning any
race now or him the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
We've got to be responsible here I.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Hope his story is true. I repeat the invitation. Come on,
let's address the questions. We'll have a great conversation and
then hopefully move on together
American White glad you were here at three h three
seven one three eight two five five d an five
seven seven three nine A guy who fought so well
for it. Lindsey Graham, God rest his soul, And we're
playing some of that sound today. I know there are
probably some folks listening who aren't big fans of Lindsey Graham,
maybe thought he was of this, or thought he was that.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I've seen a text or two to that effect, and
I'll get to those.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm on the polar opposite side of that, not saying
I agree with everything he's ever said or done, but
he accomplished I think a tremendous amount. I think his
most important accomplishment was the key role he played in
saving the nomination of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and in the process,
you know, saving the burden of proof, because if the
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mob had succeeded in taking down Kavanaugh, which would have
been one of the most unjust things in American history,
then at that point, the presumption of innocence thought it
would have been gone forever, because that was the whole
idea in those hearings that Kevin al was presumed guilty
because the Left said he was guilty, and they found
some Waco to claim he was guilty. And I shouldn't
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call her that. Even the Kevanaugh family prayed for her.
She was probably used as a political poem upon and
her vulnerabilities manipulated into a political effect to quote doctor Ford.
But the reality is that was a wrongly accused man
who they were ready to destroy, and the presumption of
innocence was gone forever. And Lindsey Graham, who had a
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lot of credibility on both sides of the aisle, had
an epic moment in that hair And I'm going to
play the sound, if not in this segment, then the next,
because their lines are in fuego and.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
That was heroic and courageous.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And Trump was courageous as well, sticking with that nomination,
and thank god he did so Lindsey Graham will be missed,
but we'll get to those textures who disagree, which I
think is a sad reflection on the state of our
politics because the other thing.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Many things right. But Lindsey Graham.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is also a great role model, I think for all
of us involved in conservative politics Colorado, any swing state,
but really anywhere, because it's the right thing to do.
And he was always a happy warrior, a joyful warrior.
And when you look at the most successful Republicans, they
all are and Trump.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Now, he's a tough.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Guy, right, and he's taught the GOP to fight, which
you have lasting benefit, but he is very often a
happy warrior and that was an enormous part of him
winning both of those races.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That combination.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
But you got to have that happy piece in there too,
especially if you're a conservative, because of the way they
try to stereotype us. All right, let's get back to
the phone lines and text and then if you're just joining,
thank you. But you'll hear some references to Dan Mays.
I won't do the whole riff I did just before
the break, but a Texter was saying, hey, do you
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think Victor Marx is going to do worse than Dan Mays?
And I said absolutely not. I mean, Dan Mays ended
up with eleven percent of the vote as a GOP.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That is not easy to do. Now.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Part of that was Tom ten Credo was in the race. Heroically.
Tom entered the race to try to save the race
for the GOP because the Dems had poured a bunch
of money into make Mays the nominee, and he had
no chance to win.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Did Mays? Tom did, and almost did?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I mean kicking Luper ended up getting fifty one percent,
Tom thirty six percent in May's eleven percent.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
But that was a very weird situation.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Now some may argue, hey, wait a second, this is
weird too, because you have these unusual issues surrounding Victor,
who comes into this race with a different kind of background,
and then you have you know, your independent candidate and
Greg Lopez. So some are saying you could end up
with the same kind of scenario. I don't think so,
but we'll get to that and welcome those who disagree.
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As always, let's go down to beautiful Pueblo. I assume
listening on the Great KCSJ. Patrick, you're on the Dan
Kaplis sholl welcome.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
All right, man, Hey, as far as I'm concerned, achieve
and you like you're doing the Democrats work for them.
How so, my friend, the reason I say that is
because you're concentrating on karm On Victor Marx and the Republicans'.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Chances and this and that and the other.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
When you are to be concentrating on what the Democrats
have done over the last eight years with all their legislation.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, let me ask you if I was to do that,
Let's say that that I just sat here every day
and talked about with you and I can agree on,
which is that the Democrats are pursuing wicked policies that
have been disastrous for the state. Right, how does that
help the GOP?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
How can I not help the deal?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Because a fair question, my friend Patrick, everybody already knows that.
I mean, the people of Colorado know Democrats have run
everything forever, and they know how the state's operating, and
they keep voting.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Don't thank that a lot of people who pay who
don't pay any attention, actually realize that there's a lot
of people don't pay attention, that don't listen to talk
radio or.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The or you guys.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
And I just happen to think that there's a lot
more to be said about it than you're willing to say.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It is said about how bad the Democrats are.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, wow, what they've actually done.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
If somebody goes through the legislation over the last eight
years and actually tell the people and how it affected
their lives over the last eight years, I think it
might help people understand why we don't want a Democrat
in there again.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, Patrick, I can say this with great confidence. Literally,
there is nobody on air who has said more about
that more specifically, for as long as I have no
matter what failure it is from the Democrats, what monstrosity.
I've been on air for about thirty years pointing that
out in very specific terms. I've gone to war on
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air with all the top Democrats. I've had some of
them threaten to sue me if the number of deaths,
threats and worse from the left you wouldn't even believe.
So I've paid my dues there. What I would suggest,
my friend, is that if we're being realistic about how
to win not just now but in the future and
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end this reign of error that has hurt this state
so deeply, we've got to be clear eyed about our
own GOP and what we need to do differently in
order to win. And So, when I'm sitting here and
I'm faced with this very unusual situation of a candidate
like Victor Marx, who I believe is either one of
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the most admirable people to ever enter Colorado politics or
maybe a fraud, do you suggest I just ignore that
and then just say, Okay, we're all lining up behind Victor.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Let's go get the Democrat.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
That's what I would do. That's my PASSI victory line
up behind him, all the Republicans and the independence and
the crossovers, what the Democrats have done, reiterate that they've
probably forgot it over the last eight years. That's my past,
the victory.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Let me ask you, my friend, Let's let's say we
do that and it turns out that Victor is a fraud.
I'm not saying he is. He's either one or the other. Right,
Let's say it turns.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
This point in time, I don't really make any difference
whether he's a fraud or not. He's our Republican candidates
vote formed me.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You don't. And here's what I would ask you.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Let's say it turns out he is a fraud and
we have all just blindly lined up behind him. What's
that going to mean for the credibility of the GOP
and future races that we're trying to win.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, that's the point.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
See, that's my concern.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That's my concern, my friend, because I know I know
you want to win. You see the evil and wicked
policies the Democrats person who like I do and believe me,
I want to win as much as you do. I'm
just thinking about beyond this race. I'm thinking about the
other candidates in these races, the GOP candidates who have
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a better chance to win than Victor does. If we've
all now better credibility on the fact he's not a
fraud and he's proven to be a fraud, and that's
an if, that's an If he's proven to be a fraud,
what does that do to our effectiveness and all these
other races, Well.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's what those other people and the other races ought
to be doing. They ought to be talking more about
the Democrats and what they've done with years. That's their campaign.
They should be doing that. Well they are, and we
all do.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Patrick, I think the realistic challenge for us is if
people aren't living it in this state right because the
Democrats have trashed the state in so many ways. If
people aren't experiencing that themselves, they're not going to believe
anything we tell them about how.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Bad it is.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know, I think our challenge is, Okay, you already
know how bad it is because you're experiencing it, or
friends of yours are, et cetera. Here's why we are,
here's why we are an acceptable alternative. And if we
all just blindly line up behind a guy who there
are some credible, serious accusations against without first clarifying whether
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they're true or not, then how are we going to
have ever going to have the credibility with those people
to persuade him that we're a viable alternative to the
Democrat failures.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Well, then maybe we ought to pull a Harris, get
rid of him on the ballot and put somebody else
on a have a special convention, state convention.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Well, Patrick, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I don't think that would be fair to Victor because
he won fair and square and his campaign was brilliant.
They saw the math. There weren't going to be many
unaffiliateds in our race. They focused on their core support,
and he had the loyal core support. I don't think personally,
I don't think it'd be fair to Victor right now
in my mind to conclude that he is a fraud.
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I think there have been serious questions raised. I'd like
to give him, as I said during the primary, I'd
like to give him a chance to take those questions
head on and then hopefully he can put those concerns
to rest.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That's my hope.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
The other thing is I really just need clarity on
his abortion position. No reason to believe that it's going
to be the wrong position, but need to be sure
it's the right position. You're on the dan Kapla Show.
Most callers talking about the governor's race in Colorado right now,
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particularly the GOP side of that. So many interesting issues there.
We've been talking a lot about Lindsay Graham playning some
of that heroic sound of Graham in that Kevinaugh nomination
where he played a major role in saving the day
not just for now but into the future, and does
so much more on the docket. Let's go back to
the phone lines. We'll go to Beautiful for Collins, Colorado. Tyler,
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you're on the Dan Kaplis Show.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Welcome, Hey, buddy.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
You good to talk to you again. Thank you. Hey.
You know, can I ask you a question? Yes, yes, sir,
Do you agree that in this game that you will
play to me in that all costs.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
You mean, within the bounds of the law. I mean,
of course, I know you meant that, Tyler. I know
you meant that. Personally.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Personally, I mean, I mean, as a movement, do you think, well.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Anything, And I'm not trying to quibble or anything like that.
I'm just telling you that.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
And I know I do a poor job of it,
but I try to do everything in terms of the
light of eternity, right in light of eternity. And so
for me personally, I won't lie. Now that's not illegal
to lie in a political race, but I won't lie.
I'm sure you won't lie. So I wouldn't want to
answer the question that broadly. What I would say is, obviously,
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I'm a fighter. Look at what I do for a living,
look at the success I've had. I am a fighter.
But I've got to believe it's a righteous cause. And
then you've got everything I've got.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Do you think that the Democrats should say that same point? No, So,
at what point, as the creature of God, do you
not kind of take up that sword and advance forward
and say, you know what we've got to win at
some point?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, that's all point of a righteous cause, right, I mean,
one of the reasons it's righteous is because you're fighting
it in a righteous way. I mean, if the logic
and I'm not sure, you're suggesting this if the logic
is and justifies the means, and as long as our
cause is righteous, we can break the law, we can lie,
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we can cheat.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I would disagree with that.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Do you think that Victor Marx is dangerous for Colorado?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
No? No, I don't, I really don't.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
We have four months to get this wind done. Yeah,
and we're sitting at it. It's going to get swallowed
up faster than we can possibly imagine. And we're still
talking about, let's how how can we validate Victor Marx
who just won the primary?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I don't. I don't love the man one way or another.
I'm generally on the same page as you, and I
think a lot of people's questions and whatnot, But at
some point we have got to move forward to this fight.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I agree one my friend, and that the fact that
there are these lingering questions I think needs to be.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Brought back to Victor.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Because Victor had the entire primary season to address these
questions head on.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And get rid of them before the general we.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Asked him to come on this show to do it
where he had been treated so well and with such respect,
and we had such an enjoyable time in studio for
an hour. He would not come on the show to
do that.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
And there's something in that though. I mean, you really
have to kind of look in a little bit under
the sheets with this thing. Sometimes people do things in
this world that are not savoring, and we don't know
all the about You asked Donald Trump how many people
he killed in Iran with that first strike at the girls' school.
We don't want to talk about a lot of stuff.
So like, the more we sit here and just let
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things do in this thing, it's like the last caller said,
we are not highlighting what the Democrats had done to
this state, right, there has to be some forward motion
to go. Your campaign needs to be about the fire
that is about to be set to this stake quite literally.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, well then, and you're a tremendous color tyler. So
I would ask you this, where the hell is the
campaign he won last week?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Where is the campaign?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's what I'm they have won. These guys aren't doing
it right. They are successful at what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
The primary, yes, and I praised them over and over.
They scoped it out, they were brilliant, but that they
ran a very close to the vast primary zeroed in
very wisely on their part when your goal was to
win the primary, very wisely on their base, and it
worked for him by about three thousand votes. And they
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deserve all the credit in the world. That strategy has
no hope in a general election. So where has the
campaign been since they won? And I know people will say, well,
it's only been a few days. Yeah, but those are
choice days, those are prime days because you just won
and the spotlights on you.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And you're a winner.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Where's the campaign, like statewide, where's the campaign?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
You'd be surprised what they're doing on on social media.
I mean, he's he's got he's got some movement forward,
and that's where I think that it's it's it's that
step past the finish line. Is now the new race begins,
and it's just you know, I mean, Dan, I grew
up here. This this is the nail in the coffin.
If we don't, if we don't buckle up, take a big,
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deep breath and make something happen, if we got to
choke on it a little bit, you know, we got
to do that.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, Tyler may ask you, you're welcome to stay through
the break because you are such a great caller and
a great thinker. But isn't the real nail in the
coffin now and and for at least the next several cycles,
if we just blindly lined up behind a guy who
has had the chance to answer fair questions that have
been raised and has chosen not to.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
It doesn't that I would I would say the same
about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Oh, hey, can hold on, because I want to continue
this called truly tyler, because.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I think there are dramatic differences.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I mean, Trump participated in every debate everybody offered, and
he went out to try to find some of his
own and constant, constantly at least fought the claims against
him or denied or argued whatever right right, And were
there's some questions he wanted to step around, like tax
or turns.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Sure, but he.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Was out there in about every debate he could find.
He would sit down with every reporter, even these extremely
dishonest reporters on the left, he would sit down with.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But his greatest strength in some ways, Yeah, and nobody
could be nicer.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Nobody could be nicer to Victor Marx than I was
during the hour we spent together in studio, very enjoyable, hour.
I asked him to come back, just hey, let's talk
about these these questions that have been raised. Take him
out on He wouldn't do it. What am I supposed
to do with that was over at the bottom. But Tyler,
(18:10):
who disagrees with me on much not all is so exceptional,
just wanted to continue doing that because it taps into
a bigger conversation I think that's going on around the state,
and one that most Republicans have never had to engage in,
particularly after a primary where somebody wins the primary fair
and square, as Victor Marx did. But questions remain, So
(18:31):
I won't replay everything that Tyler and I were talking about.
It did, though, go to break with this with this
question about an imperiaphrasing you Tyler about President Trump. Didn't
he dodge some tough questions, you know, throughout his career
And I was just making the point at the end
of the segment, Tyler, feel free to respond that wait
(18:52):
a second. Trump Trump participated in every debate anywhere, and
then he went out and he gave interviews to everybody
who ask on the right and left, and I think
that's a distinction with Victor.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, but He also sides step to Egene Carol case altogether,
I don't know, It's not something I even want to
jump in on. And what I'm saying is that this
purity test that we are all, you know, trying to
get to, you know, the shining sword on the mountain.
But we gotta we gotta get around that. I mean,
there's there's something out there that is about to crush
(19:27):
this state for good. I see the young people are
absolutely apoplectic about politics. They can't afford anything handed these
kids a place where they can't have to leave. It's
it's it's not something that we can afford to sit
and ask why this guy has this kind of motion
(19:47):
and why he does this. We got to move forward
at some point. We have four months to do this thing.
How how much longer are we going to sit on
this thing before the Democrats just wash their hands and
go thank you for doing doing our job.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, they're already saying that. They're already saying that. They
said that, can I play this out for a second, Tyler,
and I will literally give you the rest of the
show in tomorrow's because you are so good. But they've
already done that. Because our nominee is out there saying
that he can't tell you how many people he's killed,
and he's out there refusing to answer some pretty important,
(20:21):
straightforward questions.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That does not mean that he is guilty of the
things he's accused of.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But when he won't address them head on, what other
conclusion do you expect people to draw. So we are
in a tremendous hole right now, and part of it
is not Victor Mark's fault. I truly believe that you
could take the best GOP candidates we've had in the
last thirty years and you could put him into this
governor's race and it would be very hard, if not impossible,
(20:49):
for them to beat the Democrat in this current climate.
So it is not going to be a negative reflection
on Victor Marx if he loses this race, But if
he is on willing to address these fair questions that
have been raised, it's probably going to be a wipeout.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Dan, my granddad would never tell me how many people
he killed. Either, Well, it's a.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Good thing he's not running for governor. Well that was
your granddad in the military. Yes, okay, Victor, I mean
that's a different issue here. Tyler is is we're talking
about people killed outside of the military.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That was the premise of the question.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
And understand all this it's a big show.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
You know Kyle Clark, Carle Clark went he had he
had so much meat he could cut it was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, but what's interesting is he won't cut that same
meat when he's got it on the Democrats. So we
know what his we know where he's coming from. But
but these were still fair questions to Victor. And all
I'm saying is, when you've got your nominee saying he
won't tell you how many men he's killed outside the military,
(21:57):
that's a tough starting point.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
But would you advise anybody to do that?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
No, But I'd say i'd advise that if you're going
to run for governor, then at that point be ready
to answer the tough questions. And no, and let me
get back to the point that you made, my friend,
because I agree with you entirely. We are making a
big mistake if we demand perfection from any of our
nominees for any race, because we're never going to find it.
(22:24):
Every nominee we've ever had or ever will is going
to have made big mistakes in their life. So this
isn't about that, and it's not about a purity test
on issues. For me, there's only one issue that applies
to which is the life issue because it's foundational. But no,
to me, it's about are we going to have credibility
as a party in the other races we have in
(22:47):
this cycle and in future races if we blindly lined
up behind a nominee before these important questions are answered.
I hope he can answer them well and that I
can dive into his race enthusiastic. But can you see
the risk and just blindly lining up behind him when
when we know he hasn't answered these questions yet, other
(23:07):
than to say go away, of.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Course you do you question this fake?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Does that playing any of that what we just talked about?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
No? But what does what does my friend?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
It goes back to and tell me if you disagree
with this premise, he is either one of the most
admirable people to ever enter Colorado politics or one of
the worst.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Because I don't question his faith in God. But if
he lied.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
To church goers to get money from them, and I underline,
if I'm not concluding he has if he lied to
church goers in order to swindle them out of money.
That's one of the worst things a person could possibly do.
And that is the question on the table. Did he
do that? I have not concluded he did, but he's
he's got to provide more information.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Wouldn't it be on somebody's to prove that he did.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Not if you're running for governor. If you're running, you.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Have to prove every allegation if it's false. Not ever,
not every, but if somebody needs to step all allegations
that this man has just swindled, you know, financial whatevers.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
All All allegations are not created equal, and and somebody
can pop up and make any kind of false allegation
they want. And that doesn't mean that a candidate should
dignify it with the response, not at all.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
But in this.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Case, in this case, people have come forward with some
very fair questions that have not been adequately answered. And
maybe they have been answered and I just have missed it.
But but I've asked Victor to just come in. Okay,
let's lay him out, Let's lay out the top ten
accusations against you.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Just take the.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Hour and just respond to him and show people where
you're right, and the accusers are wrong, and he has
not been willing to do that.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Again, the guy's pulled something off remarkable, and he's done
something because he has chosen a path that has suited
him excellently. And I don't know what to say about
that other than he is sitting now at the position
in a race like a racehorse, that we're either going
to sit here and clean this horse to death before
(25:26):
it even has the chance to run, or we're just
going to go. You know what, we already know what
we're going to get at the end of this race
if we don't do something forward. I just I don't
know where else to.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Stand on that and to go with that metaphor.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
What I would say is if we all hop onto
this racehorse now, knowing that that there's the possibility that
he's a total fraud, we run the risk of tanking
every race and all of our credibility for cycles to come.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Is it worth that risk?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I don't know if it's going to matter, to be
on with you. I don't think these kids honestly care
about voting Republican or Democrat in the future. I think
this is the last race of the Republicans period. Well,
something doesn't change.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
But can you help me understand why, because listen, you
are right about how bad it is. You are right
about that. But for that very reason, we've got to
make sure we don't tank what remaining credibility we have
by lining up behind this guy until we were sure
we know what we're lining up behind. And I hope
(26:30):
it's all those good things.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I want to be able to support him, but every
voter has a right to have these fair questions answered.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
And I don't think he's done that yet.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Of course, And I understand that's what I'm saying. Time
is of the essence.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
You know, well, then he better get going. He better
get going, because he's the guy you just.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Bring forward something, right, Somebody needs to say, this is
how you defrauded me, like point blank, you know how
many other candidates for governor got grilled by Candace Owens?
Doesn't I assume? Odd?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, I don't know, listen, and I'm no kindis Owens fan.
But my point is this, these are fair questions, and
I understand your point that, Okay, somebody needs to step
forward and say, here's the check I wrote him, Here's
how he defrauded me, I respectfully disagree. He chose to
run for governor and he knows that a key part
(27:23):
of his resume and the reason he's so admired by
so many good people is the claim that he has
conducted all these high risk missions around the world to
rescue people. I think, my friend and you are awesome, Tyler.
I hope you call back every day. I think when
you're going to step up and raise money based on
that claim and run for governor based on that claim,
(27:44):
you got to be able to back it up.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
You're on the dan Kaplace Show.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Dan, I'd like to say I agree with the previous call,
and I also want to thank you for being one
of the kind radio talk show hosts that we have
around here in Denver. But I just wanted to add that,
you know, if you're making a purchase, if you're buying
a car, you're probably gonna want to do a little
research on that car. So there are plenty of there's
a documentary on Victor, plenty of things online that people
(28:17):
can look at to get an idea and a foundation
about his life and what he's doing. As far as
I'm answering every little question he's he has said that
he's he has. He's said numerous times that he's not lying.
I believe he's a true Christian. But the other thing
is in a court of law, supposedly the accuser is
(28:38):
the one who has to have who has the burden
of proof. And if somebody ripped me off for some money,
I could I could tell you exactly what it was
and how it happened. And I haven't seen any of
the accusers and the gossipers and the slanders. I haven't
seen anybody come up with any specifics, you know. And
I've listened to two other people who say they won't
vote for their party. It's just it's this state has
(29:02):
you know, we need to we have somebody who I
believe can change things and fix things. And if we're
going to put them through the meat grinder, then kind
of like the guy said previously, we're doing all the
Democrats work for them and we can get some questions answered.
But I know a lot of stuff that he does.
He helps women and children, you know, rescue them. I mean,
he had a horrible childhood. So yes, he's pro life.
(29:24):
As far as you were asking earlier about whether he's
pro life or not, I mean, he's definitely more pro
life than soil Wiser, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
We can jump in for a second because you're great,
but you're on point like six in and I want
to make sure I have a chance to respond because
our audience turns over every ten or fifteen minutes, so
I want to make sure they understand a few things
in And that is one that the last caller, Tyler,
asked me a good question.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
He said, do you question Victor Mark's faith? And I
said no, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I don't question him when he says he's a Christian
who truly believes in God, etc. I don't question any
of that. I'd respectfully reject the analogy to a courtroom
where criminal defendant is innocent till proven guilty. If somebody
walks into a job interview and they want a big
job and they say, hey, I went to Yale Law School,
(30:09):
it's not unfair to ask them to produce their transcript
from Yell Law School. And that is what I think
the voters are entitled to here show us the transcript.
Victor Marx's entire story, including a success in this governor's
race in the primary, is based upon the claim that
he has gone on over one hundred high risk overseas
(30:33):
missions to rescue women and children. And if that is true,
and I want it to be true. I love the
idea of a Victor Marx. I want it to be true.
I want to back him with everything I have, but
a damn well better be true. And I am not
going to back somebody who may be a fraud. I
underline may if they're not willing to stand up and
(30:55):
answer these direct questions. I don't want to be told
talk to Reagan the dog. I don't want to be asked,
are you questioning Reagan's honesty? I want direct answers to
fair questions. And the man is chosen to run for governor,
and he's chosen to build his entire story around what
is either one of the most beautiful, inspiring, great true
(31:17):
stories of all time or it's a fraud. And I
think I have a right to have these questions answered.
And if he disagrees with that, I respect it. But
why would hear his campaign think they're entitled to your
vote or my votere Tyler's vote, or anybody's vote if
they're not willing to answer those questions.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Yeah, I personally. Don't think one hundred and thirty is
a huge number for him, not he himself personally, but
him and his people. I don't think one hundred and
thirty is a fantastic number, so to speak. I mean,
there's a lot of people out there rescuing women and
children from sex trafficking, and I know a lot of
churches do it and a lot of people do it,
and you know that. Just I don't find that to
(31:57):
be such a hard to believe number. There was another
number on his website that was corrected, But I just
I get.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Forty five thousand number that the website claimed that he'd
rescued forty five thousand, And can you say put.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
On there inadvertently? I don't know. I'm just do you
believe that?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Do you believe in?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Let me?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
And I don't mean to interrupt you at all, because
I want his story to be true. And I'm not
sitting here saying I know it to be false. I'm
sitting here saying what I think any sensible person is saying.
There are fair questions he has not answered, But but
can we agree, can we agree that if those claims
(32:39):
are false, we should not be supporting him.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yeah, I just think that I know what a lot
of what he does is top secret, and where he's
going and what he's doing. So certain things I guess
like military people, and I know he's a marine, and
I know he hasn't done everything in the military. But
if you talk about everything you're doing, you know you're
exposing you know, being able to the safety of people
and being able to do it. Again. See, there are
(33:07):
a lot of videos in other people other people that
have spoken for him, not he himself. He's not tooting
his own horn, but there are many other people that
have went on these missions with him that have spoken
for him. And I've heard that.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I guess because I'm sorry, I've got in rupt for
a second, and so sorry, don't mean to be disrespectful,
not tuning his own horn. He wrote a book called
Dangerous Gentleman. He has raised a lot of money off
of this story that I want to be true.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I hope is true. I pray is true, but maybe false.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
So this is not a case of some shy, humble
guy who somebody found, you know, in a corner church
pew and pride it out of him that he committed
all these heroics. Do you have any concern at all
that this story may be false?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
I don't. I tend to have a good I don't
like to say it, but I don't want to say
women's intuition, but I get a good sense with people.
And if it's between him and Phil Wiser, that's pretty
much a no brainer. You know. I know he cares
about the state and he cares about the people like
I do. And he said himself, I mean, and this
(34:14):
is how I'm feeling. We either fix the state to
remove out No.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
That is so true, And I want to get back
to your point about Phil Wiser. I appreciate that very much,
that comparison, because Wiser back some truly wicked policies. But
if you want to tank the GOP in this state
for years to come worse than it is now, then
just blindly get behind a candidate who may I hope not,
(34:37):
and I haven't concluded he is.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
But maybe a fraud.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Because if it is proven by the Democrats that he
is a fraud and we've all blindly lined up behind him,
what does that do to our chance of winning any
race now or him the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
We've got to be responsible here I.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Hope his story is true. I repeat the invitation. Come on,
let's address the questions. We'll have a great conversation and
then hopefully move on together
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