Smart Approaches to Marijuana's President and CEO Dr Kevin Sabet

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And the Colorado GOP, I think, in a great position
to get back in that fight. Dick Wadhams was in
the last hour, had a tremendous conversation on that. And

(00:24):
we're going to be talking to Kevin Sabat here in
a minute. And he is the head of SAM, Smart
Approaches to Marijuana. They do a lot of great work.
And by the way, their website, a tremendous resource if
you're fighting this battle on some level in Colorado right now.
And I know so many people are hurt on different
levels by legalized marijuana in Colorado right now. So hopefully

(00:46):
if you're not in the fight, you're willing to do
that soon. But Kevin will join us sometime shortly. There's
an important new film. coming out and it's going to
be screened in the Denver area at Landmark. He's going
to tie the conversation into that. And you may think
a film, who cares? But if you remember back to,
you know, school choice and school choice movement and its

(01:06):
relative infancy, there was a film put out called Waiting
for Superman. And that film became the catalyst, you know,
for the school choice movement to take it to the
next level. And as you know, the school choice movement
is winning across America right now for very good reasons.
But ironically, I remember seeing that film, Waiting for Superman,

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at Landmark, which is in the DTC Landmark theaters. And
it's the same place that this film that reveals the
truth about legalized marijuana is going to be screened. And
I remember walking out of the movie, and the movie
was just about all these economically disadvantaged kids who were
trying to get into this school choice program. And their

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parents would You know, many, many people of color included
would stand in line for blocks in frigid weather to
try to, you know, get their kids in. And just
the success of the kids who got in and then
the heartbreak of the kids who didn't. And it was
a very hard hitting movie. And I remember walking out
of that theater and seeing a guy just look like

(02:12):
a normal guy, maybe about 50 in a golf shirt,
just standing in the corner outside the theater, crying like
a baby. And he had been so moved by that
movie and the plight of the kids who couldn't get
into this school choice program. I do think these kinds
of movies well-made, you know, can really be a catalyst.

(02:32):
So we'll be talking to Kevin Sabet about that as well. Lots,
lots on the agenda today. We have got to talk about,
I don't know if you're experienced, you've got to be
experiencing this because I don't think there's any part of
the state right now immune from it, but this kind
of collective insanity with young kids, And then, you know,
the kids also, 12, 13, whatever, but kids a lot

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younger than that, too, on these electrified, essentially, motorcycles. And
you can call them e-bikes. You can call them scooters,
this or that. But, you know, that's the same idea.
And it rises up to, and you're seeing more and
more of these, like, mini-motorcycles that are electrified. And these
kids are all over the place on these things. And
I want to read to you from an important piece

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in the Denver Post where doctors are just mortified about this.
And they quote an ER doc. as saying she does
not have a shift now where she's not treating a
major injury to kids on these e-bikes, e-motorcycles, e-scooters. So
what are we going to do about it? I mean,
first for the kids, right? Is it going to take,

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as it so often does, some horrific tragedy beyond imagination
for all of a sudden there'd be momentum for some
kind of crackdown? What do you do about that? So
I want to take your thoughts on that. I think
everybody's experiencing it. And it's so hard on drivers too.
I mean, the first thing is just the value of
these innocent young lives and where the heck are the

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parents and what are they thinking? Because unless the kids
are knocking off 7-Elevens, they're not buying these things with
their own money. I mean, these things often cost at
least $ 500, $ 600, but a lot of them, you know, $ 2, 000, $ 3, 000.
So it has to be the parents who are arming
the kids with these things. You know, so what are
the parents thinking? And if you're one of those parents
who's putting your kids on these I understand you love

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your kids like we all do, and you are probably
father or mother of the year the day you hand
them that electrified motorcycle, bike, scooter, whatever. But what are
you thinking in terms of their safety? And I'm not
trying to question your parenting. I'm far from a perfect parent,
but I just don't get that one. And then the
impact on the drivers, you know, on all of us
out on the roadway, you know, because it is creating

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a lot of chaos, right? because you can't expect nine
and 10 years old to know the rule of the
road or 12 or 13 or 14 year olds. And
then even if it's 15 or sometimes 16, but, but
these young kids on these things, even if they might
know them on some level, just judgment and everything else.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
So I'd, I'd love to hear from parents on why
they're making the decision to get these things for the kids.
You know, Shannon, I was, I was driving down Bellevue
the other day, driving down Bellevue, to, I think, the station.
And then I saw this long line at a stoplight. No,
it was to work because it was first thing in
the morning. And I see this long line of these motorbikes,

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electrified scooters, et cetera, stopped at the light waiting to
cross Bellevue to go to West Middle School. And the
schools are facilitating this? Please don't.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
What's next, Barbie Jeeps? Please don't.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Is this Kevin on the VIP line? Kevin Sabet. kind
enough to join us. He is the head of Smart
Approaches to Marijuana. He's going to talk about this important
new film that's about to be screened in the Denver area.
But let me tell you a little bit about Kevin,
president and CEO, Smart Approaches to Marijuana, affiliate of Yale
University's Institution for Social and Policy Studies. And the rest

(06:05):
of his resume, it would take us the whole show
to do it. But a tremendous resource is this website, SAM,
Smart Approaches to Marijuana. Kevin, welcome to the Dan Kaplan Show.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Well, thanks for being here and for what you do. Hey,
tell us about this film, THC Inc., that's going to
be screened over at Landmark, September 10 at 630.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, well, it's great to be with you. You know,
I've been in the field of addiction for over 30 years,
worked for both Republicans and Democrats. And one thing that,
you know, when I left government, I realized that people's
knowledge of today's high-potency marijuana and the harms like psychosis
and schizophrenia and all kinds of issues, learning disabilities, IQ levels,

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All of these things were really badly understood by the
American public. And actually, we launched SAM, Smart Approaches to Marijuana,
at the Denver Press Club as really a national organization
in January of 2013, so about 13 years ago. And
so it makes sense to come back and be– we're
going to be at Greenwood Village at the landmark. on Thursday,

(07:13):
September 10th at 6.30 to debut, in Colorado at least,
this new film, which Wayfarer Studios, a very big Hollywood
studio I was lucky enough to partner with, decided to
help put together with me. So I'm very excited about it.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Why were they willing to do that?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Great question. And I think I can, it's okay. I'm
not out of turn by saying that somebody very high
up at that studio's own child struggled with marijuana addiction.
They were in and out of hospitals and treatment centers.
They spent over a million dollars on treatment. He couldn't
believe what a nightmare his family went through. And he
couldn't believe that, you know, just that people didn't realize this.

(07:52):
He didn't realize this before that this is a thing.
And so we got connected and he read my book.
smokescreen what the marijuana industry doesn't want you to know
and he said from that book let's let's do a
documentary based on smokescreen.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
It Kevin it does not surprise me to hear that
because I know I'm a former Democrat I know so
many people on the left whose whose own families you
know have been harmed deeply by legalized marijuana and they're
far left on every other issue but when it comes
to dope you know they they see it as just
evil poison that's that's ruined their child.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Absolutely, and this doesn't discriminate whether you're a Republican or
a Democrat. I can tell you for every Republican I know,
I know a Democrat or an independent who has gone
through this nightmare because it's so underappreciated, and we have
an industry that downplays all the harms, and they promote
addiction for their own profit. I call it addiction for profit.
That's what they're doing, and we've sort of seen this

(08:48):
movie before, frankly, with tobacco and with cigarettes and the
history of our country, but we're just repeating that same
mistake over and over again.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
And why are we doing that? Kevin Sabet, our guest,
the film THC Inc. next September 10, 630. I think
that's a Thursday at Landmark. Why are we making the
same mistake again, the one we did with tobacco?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, I think so many people have misconceptions about the
harms of marijuana, number one. Number two, people think that
there's going to be revenue, tax revenue from it. And
even your own senator, John Hickenlooper, said if you're going
to do this, don't do it for the revenue because
that's not a reason to do it. as well as
let alone the whole budget. So that's a battery, but

(09:32):
some people have been lured by that. And they've just
been told that this is okay. It's been a 40
to 50 year campaign that this is okay. It started
with medicine by calling every use of it medicinal. And
then it moved to non, this is sort of so-called
recreational very, very quickly.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, Kevin Sabet, our guest. Again, the website, Smart Approaches
to Marijuana, a tremendous resource. This film, what do you
hope will be accomplished through this film, THC? Inc.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well, what I hope is that people get educated on
this issue and that, you know, people realize that the
agony of this film goes through some really personal side
as well as the policy side. And so I just
hope people see what the history of this is and
how it's affecting our, especially our young people right now.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Well, and I hope, Kevin, it does for this movement
what Waiting for Superman did for School Choice because I
think that was such a catalyst. But, hey, grateful for
the time. And I start a trial a few days
after that, so I may not make it on the 10th,
but very glad you're doing it and very glad you're
doing it in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Thank you, Kevin. Thank you very much. I'm excited to
be back. I've gotten a lot of support from people
who said, you know, I voted for Amendment 64, but
I didn't think it was going to have this effect.
They didn't know what they were really even voting for.
So we're having a lot of different people that are
going to be coming to it.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Amen. Well, keep up the good fight.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Thanks so much. You take care.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Thanks, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
You too.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Again, Kevin Sabet. And do check out the website, Smart
Approaches to Marijuana. You're on the Dan Kaplan Show. Trump
is so mad at Canada, he renamed Lake Ontario, Lake America.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Now I gotta buy a new globe again. It's like
the fifth time it's happened.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
And liberals are very pissed at this, they say you
can't just go around renaming things to suit your political agenda,
just ask any Latinx birthing person. Bill Maher, 303-713-8255, DAN 57739.
Google has changed the name of Lake Ontario to Lake

(11:46):
America on Google Maps, as it should, right? I mean,
the president has that authority, and the Supreme Court saying, yes,
the president can go ahead and keep building the ballroom.
I know we had a temporary stay on the district
court order that allowed it to proceed, but Supreme Court
weighing in again, so... Glad to see that as well. 303-713-8255, D-A-N-5-7-7-3-9. Hey,

(12:11):
I do hope you give some thought to getting over
to Landmark if you're in the neighborhood. We're doing the
show today from Denver, the 630 KHW studio. So we're
a stone's throw from this Landmark Theater over in DTC
where they're going to, I think it's the premiere of
THC Inc. at Landmark on September 10. And then there's
going to be a big panel discussion. Kevin Sabat, our

(12:34):
last guest, is going to be there. Hope you have
a chance to get over there. If you haven't been
to the area before, it's a really cool setup over there.
You go there, Shannon, sometimes. Of course he does because
he's cool and it's cool. But it's cool. They've got
a lot of nice restaurants and things like that. And
the theater is a really nice setup also. But this issue,
this issue is so enormous. And I just know I'm

(12:57):
right when I say this, not because it's me, because
it's history. And we know the starting point is all
sane people love their children with a force that's unmatched
in any other kind of love on the face of
the earth. And we also know it's undeniable marijuana is
an equal opportunity destroyer. It doesn't matter if it's the

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child of a Republican or a Democrat, an unaffiliated Green
Power Party, doesn't matter. It's an equal opportunity destroyer. And
we know that With every passing day, it destroys more children.
It destroys others too, but it destroys more children. So
you know that all of these harms and all of
the brain damage and all of the addiction and all

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of the suicides and all of the lost potential and
all of that has added up, you know, since this
became legalized in Colorado. Eventually it'll get to a tipping
point and people across party lines will say it's not
worth it anymore. It's just not worth it. In fact,
that should probably be the slogan for whatever billionaire-funded group

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eventually steps up and runs and funds a ballot issue
and takes down this scourge of legalized marijuana. It's not
worth it. It's that simple. You don't need to say
it's evil. You don't need to say that it doesn't
do any good. I don't think it does. But it's
just not worth it. On balance, that's how we weigh
everything else in life, right? Policy, issues. It's just not

(14:21):
worth all the harm. And so, yeah. That day will come,
and we know it will come historically because, remember, before
Colorado and Washington made this big mistake in the election
cycle of 2012, there wasn't a single place in the world.
Think about that. The world's pretty big. Not a single
place in the world that had legalized marijuana the way

(14:43):
the left convinced Colorado to do. And the reason no
other place in the world has done it is it's crazy.
There's just way too much harm, and we have seen
that harm prove out. So I'm glad they're doing this film,
and I'm looking forward to the day it is going
to take one of the really big bucks, gals, or
guys to step up and fund it because the left,

(15:05):
they will print money. I mean, they will have as
much money as they need to try to keep dope
legal here because it's page one of the playbook of
the left. You know, a drugged population is more dependent
on government. And, you know, this marijuana business, now crackawanna, right,
this high-potency THC, That is their ticket to a much

(15:25):
more dependent on government population. 303-713-8255, D-A-N-5-7-7-3-9. Young Shannon, you're
getting on a plane soon, right? Heading back to Georgia
with the Buffs?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
By this time tomorrow, we should be in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Wow. Wow.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Yeah, Thursday night? Isn't it a Thursday night?

Speaker 4 (15:44):
It is.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Excuse me, nationally televised game?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
It is.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
And I have not had time. I've been in trial,
getting ready for trial. I have not had time to
X and O this thing. I just have a very,
very good feeling about this season for the Buffs.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
All right.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
And I just think it's going to start with a
win in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Prime was a lot of fun today in our recording session.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
What do you have to say?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
You know what? I don't know. I don't know that
much about it.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
He was in a good mood. And hey, I just think,
I just think CU, CSU, we're all so lucky right now.
I mean, you know, I'm a Boff undergrad and law.
And my goodness, I think Prime has been so great
for the program and so great for the community. And
he's a winner. He's a winner by nature. He's obviously
not a quitter. He would have left already and blamed

(16:34):
health and got out of Dodge. So the fact he's
staying and they've attracted some really good players. I was
going to say really good kids, but that's another point
of the story. I can't remember a run like this
where CU has gone so long without major problems with
law enforcement. And that's no reflection on any college program. Listen,
you're going to get 50 or 100 18 to 21-year-old

(16:57):
males together on any college campus. You're going to have
a certain number get in trouble, no matter how good
and careful the coaching staff is. But Prime, it seems
to me, has had less of that than anybody. And
kids have been great for the community. Community's been great
for the kids. I think they got a good thing going.
And then CSU bringing in Jim Mora. I mean, that

(17:17):
program is a beautiful stadium, a beautiful campus. They've won
big in the past, and now they got Jim Mora
as coach. I think there are a lot of good
things going to be happening there.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Dolly Parton Airport. Touched on that a bit when the
news broke Friday, but I do want to know who
you would name DIA after if it was going to
be an individual. Now, there are four other airports in
the nation, major airports, named after individuals from that state.
I'd See if I'll let you know the list when

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we come back. You may already know it. But if
you're going to name DIA after some individual, who would
it be? And then when we come back, I'm going
to play a very interesting, intriguing riff from this guy
talking about how you should tip up front when you
go into a restaurant, not at the end of a meal.

(18:12):
Is he right? 5.36, pretty afternoon. Shannon, have you driven
an electric car? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
No, I've only ridden in one as an Uber.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah. Because I have not. You know, I'm a throwback.
I just like the big engine, the roar, everything else.
But there was a loner over the weekend. And we
were driving up to this most amazing, tremendous wedding up
in Boulder. What an absolutely powerful wedding that was. And
a beautiful, beautiful night. You know, and it's so wild

(18:50):
to see the kids' friends like they were in elementary
school with. Now, getting married, in this case, just a
wonderful young lady. You know how you meet some kids
and they be like six years old. And the kids,
their friends and everything, I said, wow, that kid's going
to go a long way. Yeah, Hannah Buckinham, just an
amazing young lady and a tremendous guy. Just so cool

(19:13):
to see these young weddings. But anyway, we drive up
there and it's a loner. And it's an electric car,
and it was so much fun to drive. I mean,
it just really surprised me because I was kind of
dreading it. But it was, yeah. So I can see

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why there are a lot of them, and there are
going to be more of them. I mean, you know,
separate and apart from the going green thing because, you know, hey,
you got to, you know, where do you think that
electricity comes from? It's not a magic wand. But no,
they're just, They are just really high performers. And this
was not like a Ferrari electric car or anything like that, which,

(19:54):
by the way, has to be the ugliest Ferrari in
human history. I've never owned or driven a Ferrari. But
if you've seen the Ferrari electric car, I didn't think
it was possible to make an ugly Ferrari. And it
hurt the stock for a few days. 303-713-8255, DAN-57739. Interesting,

(20:14):
I think. I mean, I'm not telling you to the penny,
but I think the two top performing auto stocks right now,
maybe Tesla, depending on the day, but Ferrari and GM,
you know, and obviously kind of different universes there. Let's
go to the phone lines. Richard from beautiful Fort Collins
here on the Dan Kaplan Show.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Welcome.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Thank you. I think there's a confusion between a tip
and a gratuity.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Please clarify.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Tip is short for tips or to ensure prompt service.
It's an amount of money that you give before service
is rendered, like you would give to a concierge or
someplace like a bellhop. Gratuity is an amount of money
you give because of the excessive service. The service that

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you have already received is is above expectations, so you
give a gratuity. You would never give a gratuity to
McDonald's or to Dunkin' Donuts, but if you go to
a sit-down restaurant, of course you're going to give a
gratuity because that's what they live on. But tips is

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short for to ensure prompt service, so there's a lot
of confusion between tips and a gratuity.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
So technically, then, you would not be tipping at a restaurant.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Right. You would be given a gratuity.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Fascinating. Hey, thank you. That's very interesting, my friend. And
it certainly fits this video that I pulled. Listen to this.
And I'd never thought of it this way. And then
I thought, well, should I do this? I've never done
it this way.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
Never tip the waiter after you finish your meal. If
the plates are already empty, you already lost your leverage.
Most people think a tip is a thank you. That's
exactly why they never get treated differently. Now, don't misunderstand me.
A tip isn't just gratitude, it's leverage. If you wait
until the bill arrives to show generosity, you've already spent

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the entire evening being just another customer. Same service, same attention,
same experience as everyone else. But tip the moment you
sit down, and something changes. The waiter notices your table.
Your requests get remembered. Your experience becomes different. You didn't
just pay for service, you paid for priority. An older

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gentleman once told me, if you want loyalty during the storm,
reward people while the sun is shining. I've never forgotten that.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Hmm. What do you think about that? What would that
even look like? I've never done that. Have you ever
done that? And I reject his premise that the purpose
of a tip is leverage. I just don't see it
that way at all. I mean, the way I see
tipping and the way I was raised to see tipping
is that it It is showing gratitude for job well done,

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for the service, etc. The other way I was raised,
and my guess is you were too, and I think
it's just part of, I would bet that kind of
proportionately working people are the best tippers. And I understand
you get some really generous, rich people who tip crazy well,
and I was a beneficiary of that as a caddy

(23:31):
and a car parker. But But I think that working
people overall probably tip best just because of the respect
and the appreciation. And that's the way we were always
raised is that the tipping more than anything is to
show respect. And that's the way I viewed it when

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I was working really hard at time jobs for tips
was the respect thing mattered more to me than the money.
But what do you think of that guy's premise that
no tip up front to assure better service?

Speaker 5 (24:05):
303-713-8255.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Text DAN57739. You know, we have this other issue going.
And I can still remember. It's funny, things you remember
in life, right? I mean, I can still vividly remember
like it was 30 seconds ago. This guy who gave
me a particularly good tip, you know, when I was

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parking cars at the country club. And it was just, yeah,
it was just so respectful. You know, for how hard, because,
you know, parking cars, Chicago, winter nights, things like that. Yeah,
it can present some unique challenges. But so we're also
talking about with Nashville Airport now being named after Dolly Parton,

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or at least soon. Who would you name DIA after
if you're going to name it after an individual? I
certainly would endorse this. Text her to DAN57739 says, Dan,
I would name it after Kendrick Castillo. soon to be St.
Kendrick Castillo, and Kendrick is in the sainthood process. In fact,

(25:10):
Amy had asked John and Maria for a bunch of
the Kendrick prayer cards, and we just got those in
the mail, which is really cool, and we're giving those out,
and hopefully people will be praying for Kendrick's intercession, and
then there will be some miracles attributed to Kendrick, and
that will help his cause. A bit different tone for

(25:32):
this text. Dan, as soon as Trump is out of office,
all of his atrocities will be corrected. How ridiculous that
if he can't plaster his name or face on something,
he'll tear it down.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Pathetic.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I believe that's a reference to the Trump Kennedy Center.
And listen, hey, we are all a combination of our
positive and negative columns. And I just think the president's
positive column dramatically washes away anything in the negative column.
But yeah, putting his name on the Kennedy Center. That's
in the negative column, no question. And I just think

(26:07):
that anytime you're going to get a personality, a person
who is willing to be big and bold and just
act on a scale that can really change the world
for the better, well, sometimes they're going to do some
things outside the line that just don't make any sense

(26:27):
and are self-inflicted wounds. And I think this detour into
the Trump-Kennedy Center is one of those. But again, positives
so far outweigh the negatives. Dan, Trump opponents are seeking
to drain the lake if the name change goes through. See,
I have no problem at all with the Lake America
stuff or Lake Ontario. Again, it's the president using humor

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and creativity to try to make a point and cut
through the noise. And I have no doubt once things
are worked out with our neighbor to the north that,
you know, it will be Lake Ontario again. But I
also think that I'm really glad we have a president
who stands up for this nation and wants to make
sure we don't get ripped off in trade deals. And

(27:12):
I don't claim to know every detail of those trade deals,
but this I do know. There is not enough appreciation
north of the border, south of the border, east of
the border, west of the border. There is not enough
appreciation in this world for the fact that we have
a free world because of the sacrifices made by the
United States of America. That we have a strong and

(27:32):
functioning world economy in significant part because of the United
States of America. and the extreme generosity of the United
States of America. So there's not enough appreciation for the
United States of America. And the last thing that should
be happening is us getting ripped off. So I would
rather have a president strong enough to stand up for

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this nation, even if every single move he makes isn't perfect. 303-713-8255, DAN-57739.
Let's go back to the phone lines. Let me do
that after the break. I want to give our callers
enough time. You're on the Dan Kaplan Show. 4.51 on

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this pretty afternoon.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Hard to believe. September upon us, right? My goodness. Tomorrow
is September 1 and kind of a late Labor Day
this year.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
7th.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
A lot of great football ahead. 303-713-8255. DAN-57739. Talking about
a lot of different things right now and we'll be
deep diving tomorrow. This mob action, and we're seeing it
all over the place, right? Denver, this one's in Aurora.
This one, a bunch of teenagers took over a King Soopers.

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There was some looting along with other criminal behavior. And
I called Aurora PD today to try to get the
lowdown on it. They were great to work with, by
the way, really impressed with that public information office. And
so we'll be deep diving in tomorrow, not just the
case in Aurora, but the phenomenon now. across at least
the Denver Metro, and it can be traffic. I'm sure

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you've experienced it with a mob taking over a street
or an intersection. You know, it can be a store.
We've seen other examples. So what needs to be done
to just, you know, just kill this one in the
cradle and not let this become the new normal in Colorado?
Because you know how it is, broken windows policy, right?
If you don't fix the broken windows, as soon as
they're broken, all of a sudden the whole neighborhood's gone.

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And so you cannot let this contagion spread. John and Parker,
you're on the Dan Kaplan Show. Welcome.

Speaker 6 (29:35):
Hey, Dan, thanks. You and I, I called the comment
about the tipping, but you and I talked about a
month ago, and I haven't heard every show. Have you
made a public stance on Victor Marks and endorsing him yet?

Speaker 1 (29:49):
I have not endorsed Victor yet. I hope to be
able to someday. So that's where I'm at.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
And as far as the tipping goes, when I was
in my My partying days at the bars, I would
always go walk up to the bartender and give him $ 40,
and I never had to worry about a drink for
the rest of the night.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
So you would do it in the beginning. If you
just joined us, that was some plated tape of some
guy saying, hey, you should tip at the beginning of
the evening. You get better service. So you would do
it at bars. Have you ever done it in restaurants?

Speaker 6 (30:22):
Never at a restaurant, just at bars.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Would that be weird? I mean, I'm trying to picture
how I would even do it in a restaurant.

Speaker 6 (30:31):
Well, yeah, I mean, most people don't tip with cash anymore,
so it would be very difficult, I think.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, you'd have to bring some.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
And vocalizing, you.

Speaker 6 (30:37):
Know, or just vocalizing that you're going to tip them
so that maybe they would, you know, pay attention to you.
But no, I've never done it at a restaurant, but bars,
it definitely works.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, man, I could see that. That is really smart. Hey,
thank you for that, John. Thank you. And because when
I was a freshman at CU Boulder, and they had
three two-places back then, and I was looking for work
just to, to pay other expenses, I started working at
a 3-2 place called the Strawberry Pony. And I lasted

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about two or three nights, right? Because I wanted to
be a serious student and that didn't fit real well.
And I was coming right out of the seminary. So,
you know, I was planning to go back and be
a priest. So between the late hours and let's say
the temptations, that was not the ideal job for me
as I started my career at CU. But But it's

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funny how you remember tips. I know this sounds corny,
but I still remember this guy who came up and
he gave me a dollar tip. And I walked across
the parking lot to IHOP at the end of the
shift and got a piece of apple pie and ice cream.
How do you still remember that? I just think there's
something about tipping where it's very personal. It's a respect thing.

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And the money can help, sure, but it's also a
respect thing. And that's why, I don't know, I just think, yeah,
tip at the end. Now, the bar thing, I mean,
that does make some sense. I got to give that
some thought. Because that seems like a whole different dynamic. And, yeah,
you go in, you give the bartender a good tip
and say, hey, you know, appreciate your help tonight. That

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seems like a win-win for everybody. Now, let me get
some text in before the end of the show. Naming
in the airport DIA, like Dolly Parton now is Nashville's airport.
Another for Kendrick Castillo. Wouldn't that be great? Wouldn't it
be so great to have the airport named after a
person who just exemplifies what we admire and value most

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in Colorado? And certainly Kendrick would be that. Dave Sanders,
who laid down his life to save all those kids
at Columbine. You know, and a lot of people are
new to the area since then, so they don't remember
this story. Dave Sanders is a popular teacher at Columbine.
And when those cowardly killers came into the school, And

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they were having their way with whoever they found. And
Dave Sanders confronted them unarmed to protect the kids so
his kids could get back in the classroom. And he
was shot up, made it back into the classroom, and
then eventually died in the classroom from those wounds. So, yeah,

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just people who, you know, could be some, one of
the many who've given their lives, military, police, fire, Or
you could just name the airport after all those folks,
which I actually proposed years ago. Didn't happen, but just
like Heroes International Airport. And then you just have these tributes,

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big tributes throughout the airport to people like those we
just mentioned and others. But just use the name to
talk about what we value. Instead, what do we have?
We have DEN or DIA, some initials, you know, which
is just like the location. And then we have old meth.
I mean, we have this very prominent piece of art,

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which is, you know, like a horse on meth or
Satan's steed as some call it. But why don't we
use DIA to just show the world who we are
and what we value? Yeah, I've never understood that. Seems
like kind of a big ways to just say DIA

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and have old meth sitting out there scaring kids as
they come into the airport. Yeah. Hmm.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Maybe someday.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Dan, I hope George Brockler is one of your fill-ins.
That from Alexa. Alexa, respectfully, I have no fill-ins. I've
got these superstars from all walks of life. And Alexa
knows many of these folks who are kind enough to
sit in when I'm in trial. And I start another
big trial two weeks from today. And so, yeah. So
we'll have... The stars will be back. But without young Ryan,

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who is now ineligible... to host this show while he's
running for office, Ryan running for city council in Evans.
But once he wins, he can host again. Prayers for
Lynn Cottrell and her family, please. And join us tomorrow
on The Dan Kaplan Show. Thank you, Shannon.