January 26, 2026 • 36 mins
Tempers are flaring at a fever pitch, as the political temperature remains white-hot in Minneapolis following another officer-involved shooting of an ICE protester. Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams joins Dan to provide his law enforcement perspective on the incident, which still has many more variables than known quantities at this point.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The American Way is at stake right now in Minneapolis.
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the number text d an five seven seven three nine.
It's at stake in several seminole ways. First, obviously, the
American way is the rule of law. We must have
rule of law that applies to everybody on every side
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of this issue. The American Way is at stake there.
The American way rule of law starts with the Constitution.
Our very Constitution is at steak here. The Union is
at stake here. And I'd like you to think about
that for a second because it can sound rhetorical, it
can sound like an overstatement, but it's an understatement because
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the truth is there is a premeditated, deliberate attempt by
the left to break the union right now. The union
is based on the Constitution, and the union is based
on the Constitution and Supreme Court decisions and laws flowing
from the Constitution, and the Constitution says, let me simplify
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this and then we can break it down. The federal
government has responsibility for the enforcement of immigration law. And
the left has decided, whether it's Mike Johnston in Denver,
whether it's Walls and Frye and Minnesota, whether it's Lefty
after Lefty in la the left in certain places in America,
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the left that runs certain cities and states in America,
has decided to bust the Union when it comes to
the enforcement of illegal immigration, to set this precedent that
the federal government may no longer enforce immigration law unless
these blue states and these blue cities approve of it.
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We can't have that. The precedent alone would undermine the
stability of this nation. We cannot set this precedent. You
go back through our history and you've seen over and
over again the only reason we have the blessings of
this liberty today is people have fought and died so
this union stayed intact, and so that everybody had to
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follow the law even if they didn't like it, or
go out and work through the system and change it.
But Mike Johnston and Walls and Fry and others on
the left have said, no, we're not going to do
that anymore. We are just going to say federal government,
you can't enforce here. It actually started with Mike Johnston
in Denver talking about how he's going to send the
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cops to the county line to stop federal law enforcement
and call tens of thousands of Denver rights into the
streets to stop federal law enforcement. Think about that. That's
talking about breaking the union. And that's exactly what's been
going on in Minnesota. So the American way is at
stake there now. The American way also has at its
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core right that law enforcement will act within the bounds
of the law, as the vast majority of law enforcement
officers do. And my father, a great cop for thirty
years with a lot of years of pretty tough duty
on the South Side of Chicago, he acted within the
bounds of the law at all times, as the vast
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majority of law enforcement officers do, and without them, we
don't have an America. But the American way is that
the law applies to everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Nobody's above the law.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So that includes to what happened over the weekend in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
And if.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
This shooting was not justified under the law, if in
the end that's where the facts fall, I don't think
they will. But if that's where the facts fall, then
there has to be a full and fair and equal
Prosecution's critical we.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Get all the facts.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But make no mistake about it, there are people on
the left right now trying to break the union. And
when you look at what actually happened at the time
alex pretty was shot, this is a situation where you
had the left somebody described it as an insurrection. This
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is a situation where you have this organized activity to
stop law enforcement from enforcing the law. Did talk about
a threat to our republic, but that has been going
on systematically in a number of places, but especially in Minnesota,
with the full implicit encouragement of the governor and the
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mayor of Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And that's what was going on at that moment.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And there's something that was happening there that has not
been talked about enough, and I want to start my
analysis with it. Everybody knows by now right you have
this highly organized effort by various leftist groups with the
specific intent of interfering with the enforcement of federal law.
That's what they're doing when they're simply out there tracking ice,
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following ice, blowing the whistles to try to warn the
people ice is apprehending, pursuing to the law, that ice.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Is coming, so they need to get away.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So they are out there with the express purpose of
interfering with the enforcement of federal law. Now it's in
that environment that you have all of these whistles being blown. Right,
and ask yourself this as we get into the analysis
of who's that fault in this fatal shooting. Why were
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they blowing the whistles? Why were they blowing the whistles
non stop? What's your answer to that question. Well, the
whistles are being blown, obviously in part to warn people
who have violated the law that law enforcement is approaching.
So the whistles are being blown in part to how
people who have violated the law escape law enforcement. But
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there's another reason the whistles are being blown. The whistles
are being blown to disorient the law enforcement officers. The
whistles are being blown to create an environment where law
enforcement can no longer function. And if you dispute that premise,
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I'd like to have the conversation three oh three seven
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seven three nine. So that's why the whistles are being blown.
So the law, in this case, federal law, just gives
up and goes home because the environment is so hard
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to operate in that that is being intentionally created by
the left, and I do believe that directly contribute to
the fatal shooting. And I'll break that down sequentially, but
to skip ahead briefly, when you have a situation like
that where law enforcement is trying to make an arrest
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and a subject's resisting, and if we can assume at
this point that at some point law enforcement realized there
was a gun, we know that was set at one point,
but how early we won't know until we see all
the interviews, testimony, et cetera. Because that isn't obvious from
the video. When law enforcement first became aware that the
suspect who is resisting them had a gun, then at
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that point, the left's intentional tactic to disorient, to scramble
the brains of law enforcement by blowing these whistles constantly.
That made the situation much more dangerous for everybody involved
and much more difficult for law enforcement to operate in.
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And at the end of the day, I don't know
if they're going to be criminal charges here or not.
I don't know whether criminal charges against one or more
of the law enforcement officers will be justified or not.
We don't have enough information yet, but you can be
certain that in the course of the investigation there's going
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to be a lot of focus on this incessant, constant,
very loud, disorienting whistling, because if nothing else, it would
have interfered with communications as they're trying to apprehend the suspect.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And so just keep that in mind as a starting point.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
What you have going on is an intentional effort on
the part of highly organized leftist groups to interfere with
active law enforcement officers. So, in other words, they are
out there to violate the law, because that's a violation
of federal law to intentionally interfere with officers who are
enforcing this federal immigration law. So their intent is to
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violate federal law when they go there. Now, in terms
of mister pretty, we don't know enough yet to know
whether his intent when he traveled to the scene was
to interfere with law enforcement operations or just record them.
We don't have enough information, in my opinion to draw
that conclusion. Now, as we come back from the break,
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and I want to go through the rest of this analysis,
and I'll take text and calls. We have mister pretty
at one point directing traffic, and some analysts say that
which obviously he's not legally.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Authorized to do. Some analysts say that he's.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Directing traffic to try to interfere with the law enforcement operations.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
If they're correct, that's a really important fact.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The media is saying, oh no, he's just trying to
keep people safe by directing traffic in a hazardous scene.
We'll have to see where all the evidence comes in
on that. But when we come back, I want to
break this down, give you my take based on the
available evidence. Get your sheriff Reemes will join us as
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well to talk about it, and then talk about the
biggest issue of all here, which is saying a lot
when a human life has been lost, and we'll talk
about whose fault that is. But when it comes to
the union and the survival of the Union, to me,
it seems obvious that the single most critical thing is
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President Trump cannot let the left win here, no matter
whether the shooting was justified or not, and we can't
know till we get the rest of the facts. President
Trump cannot let the left win. He cannot let the
federal government be run out of Minnesota because of these
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tactics by the left that the president would be so
damaging to this nation.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're on the Dan Capitlo Show.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh, very provocative, Ryan, I love you being provocative with
your bumps.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, there are people to blame here. We just need
to get a full investigation done.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
We need to get the full truth out to all
of the American people, and then we'll know all the
people to blame.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
But we already know some people to blame.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And let's start with the obvious, right, Let's start with
all of these elected officials on the left who implicitly
encouraged private citizens to go out and commit the crime
of interfering with federal law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Let's start there. And it's implicit, right.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
They always walk that line carefully so you can't go
arrest them, but it's implicit. Whether it's Mike Johnston in
Denver talking about and I'm paraphrase and now he's going
to send Denver police out to the county line to
stop federal law enforcement. Tens of thousands of Denver rights
will take to the streets to stop federal law enforcement.
Referring and again I'm paraphrasing to out of state National
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Guard if they came to Colorado as some kind of invaders.
But the most obvious example being Walls, and we have
some more of that today, some fresh stuff from that today,
Walls and Fry up in Minnesota. Any honest person has
to admit that they have been implicitly encouraging private citizens
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to take to the streets and commit the crime of
interfering with ice. And have you ever heard them condemn
any of that conduct? Now, so you start their clear
blame to be laid there. And we could take some time,
you know, breaking down the different motives they have for that,
but let's just start with that reality that any objective
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observer would agree to, and then you go to other blame. Certainly,
there's blame on mister Prettie himself, and God rest his soul.
And I'm so sorry for him, and I'm so sorry
for his parents and his family and anybody else who
loved him that he's gone. But while it's perfectly fine
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to legally carry a firearm anywhere you're allowed to legally
carry it. It is not fine to resist federal law
enforcement while you're carrying a firearm. Now, is that what
this investigation is going to show happened here?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
My opinion watching the publicly available video is he appeared
to be resisting. Now, maybe we find facts, Maybe we
find facts when the full investigation is done.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That contradicts that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
But yeah, you have a Second Amendment right to carry
as long as you're carrying in comp aliance.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
With the law.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
There are published reports that he was not carrying his ID,
which is required by the law his permit to carry.
We'll find out after the full investigation whether those reports
are true. One thing I think we all know is
that if law enforcement is giving you an order, then
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whether we think that order is justified or not, we
need to comply at the time it's given, and then
we need to address the legitimacy of the order later
or the justification for the order later.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But these are some additional examples of.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Why it's so important we get all the information out there,
all the information out there before we can draw any
firm conclusions. So as I said here right now, And
as you know from living your own life, it takes
a measure of.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Discipline, you know, mental discipline.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
To avoid drawing conclusions until you can and get all
the information in because you can't unsee what you see
in that video. But there are so many things we
can't know until we get the full sworn testimony of
everybody who was in that dogpile.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
We just can't know it.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
At what point within that scrum, within that fight, was
law enforcement aware that the person they were trying to
apprehend and who was resisting them it appears in the video,
at what point did they become aware that he had
a weapon? And then what facts were there within that dogpile?
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You know, what facts were there that would have led
somebody to reasonably believe that he was trying to use
that weapon. And of course you've heard everybody has heard
that the theory out there that maybe the weapon accidentally discharged
and cause law enforcement to believe that he was employing
the weapon. But there are certainly other scenarios, other hypotheticals
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where law enforcement could have had a reasonable belief that
he was trying to reach that weapon, But we can't
know until we get all of the facts of the
investigation where the truth falls in there. But this we
do know, so bottom line, and if you disagree with this,
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I really I'd love to take your text first, your
calls first, if you think I'm missing something. But bottom
line is when it comes to whether the shooting is
justified or not legally justified, we can't possibly know with
just the information we have right now. So once again,
everybody out there calling the law enforcement officers murderers, etc.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think they're.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Either just knowingly and intentionally eyeing and slandering and defaming,
or they're being willfully ignorant, or they're just ignorant because
nobody can credibly say that right now based on the
information that's publicly available, in my opinion, And similarly, I
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think people are out there saying this was clearly a justified,
legally justified shoot, which doesn't mean there weren't other paths available,
but we're talking about legally justified. Those who are claiming
it's an open and shut, clearly justified shoot.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Again, I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Think that's reasonable until we get the rest of the
information that we need. If you disagree with me on that,
please I would love to hear from you. Whereas the
last scenario we were referring to, my constitutionally protected opinion
from the available video is that clearly that was a
legally justified shoot, and I thought that was clear from
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the moment that video became available. Now the separate question
of was it the best practice under the circumstances, could
it have been avoided? Yeah, those are fair questions, but
I thought they're in a good shooting. And again I
wish the whole situation had never happened, but I thought
that based on the video, was clearly going to be
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found justifiable here. I just think we need more facts,
share frames coming up after the break, and then I
really do want to dive in to your calls and emails.
Hopefully one thing we can all agree on is that
the bigger issue when it comes to this nation and
the stability of this nation and this nation as a
nation governed by laws not men, is going to be
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President Trump doing everything necessary to make sure that federal
law prevails and that the Left does not succeed in
establishing this precedent that it can bully, intimidate, harass the
federal government.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Out of enforcing federal law. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Share frames.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Next you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Sheriff Steve Raims Well Kunty Sheriff kind enough to join
us in the Dan Caplis Show. Sheriff, I've been to
have really been interested to get your take on this
shooting in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So I'm just going to turn the floor over to you.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
The questions are obvious, but really appreciate your insight.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, thanks for having me on Dan. You know, I
hate having to talk about these things. I think the
last time I was on with you were discussing or
a Good. Yep. You know, when I look at this incident,
it's not as clear cut as as the one involving
or A Good, and you highlighted it really well in
the first segment of your show when you're talking about
the whistle blowing and all the noise and the chaos
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that was created around this incident. You know that's that's
by design by the protesters, the rioters, and they are
trying to very much get in the head of the
law enforcement officers and create what we call auditory exclusion
where they can't they can't tell what's going on on
their ears are basically shut off to you know, protect
their their sanity if you will. So when this this
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interaction starts happening with with Pritt Pretty, it becomes obvious
that there's there's a level of confusion here about you know,
what are we doing?
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
You know, are we trying to take this guy to
the ground? What's going on? And at some point you
see a person reach in. I assume it's an ice officer.
You know, it's hard to tell by the fact that
they're not uniforms, but you see what it looks like
to be someone removing the gun from the side of
mister Pretty. And as that happens, I'm assuming someone yells
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gun because they see a gun present, and because not
everybody has the same situation situational awareness. When you hear
gun in an incident like that. As a law enforcement officer,
that's that's to tell you that there's a threat, that hey,
there's a gun present that shouldn't be. And obviously, several
of the options fired at the suspect and killed him instantly.
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It looks like I'm not telling you that that's an
ideal situation. I'm not giving cover for those officers. But
the totality of the circumstances involved in that incident, I
think will come to light when those officers are interviewed
independently of one another and they're asked, Hey, what did
you perceive in that given time. I have to assume
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that someone said either I've got the gun or there
is a gun, or the word gun was set out
loud to heighten the officer's sense of awareness. And you know,
obviously they felt somebody, one of them or more of
them felt that it was a deadly forced encounter, that
someone's life was endangering, and they fired upon the suspect.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Suare frames are guessed, And you know, I obviously have
a pro police bias for lots of reasons, starting with
my dad being an officer for thirty years. But with
that said, I've never seen can't recall seeing a case
in the media or anywhere else. And I traveled to
Los Angeles and covered the Rodney King case for months.
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In fact, one of the officers who was charged and acquitted,
Tim Wind, came to Colorado and he and his family
stayed with our family after that trial. So I've seen
a lot of these situations through the media, etc. I've
never seen a situation where officers just stood there and decided.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
To execute somebody.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I find it impossible to believe that that happened here.
There must have been a belief not only that he
had a gun, but that he was going for the gun.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And that's my assumption.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
We'll see what the evidence shows whether that was a
good faith belief. I mean, we don't know yet, do
we sheriff whether he was going for the gun or not.
We can't know that from the outside of this dog pile.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Well, that's the tough part here is you know, you
have a bunch of people who produced video, they put
it out on social media, and people jumped to a
conclusion that may be accurate, may not be accurate, and
a lot of there's a lot of skepticism right now
about you know, is the FBI or whomever investigates this,
are they going to do that with you know, with
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a clear head. Are they going to do that objectively?
And you know, the right people on the right argued
that when the left is in control, and now the
left is arguing that when the right is in control.
And so it's really what we see here is a
lack of faith in our government from both sides of
the equation given the time frame of when something occurs,
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and that's troubling in and of itself. But you know,
I lost the deputy in twenty ten in a very
similar situation where that deputy was disarmed and his firearm
was used to shoot and kill him in the middle
of one of these piles. The gun was yelled when
the gun was produced, and there were people in that
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pile that believe, no, we've got this guy under control,
and he's fired the shot and killed my deputy. And
then obviously he was killed in returned. So these incidents,
aren't you know, It's not like it never occurs. And
the officers involved in this situation, they need to be given,
you the opportunity to state their case and plet their
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case and an investigation and let that system work itself out.
I just hope that citizens can be patient enough to
allow that to cur the way it should.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, because multiple levels. Right, innocent until proven guilty. Second,
officers always have to be operating, you know, in this
split second environment, you know, not the comfort of a
radio or TV studio or somebody's living room. And then third,
just self preservation is a society we literally cannot operate
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as a society unless enough high quality men and women
are willing to go out and risk their lives as
law enforcement officers.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
And well, I think you see the respect for law
enforcement and the job that they do waning in many
parts of the world, and right here in our own country.
You know, when Ice isn't viewed on equal ground as
any other law enforcement officer, that's troubling and that creates
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a slippery slope effect for those of us that are
working at the local law enforcement level, where well, if
Ice is first on the list and let's say we
go to assist Ice or we you know, we lumped
in with that same group, and there's that lack of
respect for Ice, does that carry over to local law enforcement?
I mean, all these factors are playing into a big
narrative right now that quite frankly, it's just ugly. Ice
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is doing a job that is lawful and federally mandated
and required, and as you said earlier in your show,
you have local officials who want to be able to
give permission for that that law enforcement to occur, and
that's just not the way the system is set up.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, and our guests, let's talk tactics. In another sense,
if the Left succeeds in running federal law enforcement out
of Minnesota through these tactics, then at that point they're
not going to stop there. They're going to employ these
same tactics on local law enforcement, and they are going
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to run local law enforcement out of any areas they
want to, any situations they want to through this overwhelmed
because it appears that everything I see report in the media,
you know, there's a very high level of operational control
involved here. I'm not sure of mister Pretty's particular involvement,
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if any, and any of that, but generally speaking, you know,
these are highly organized leftist groups that are communicating with
each other to deploy people to certain areas. Who doubts
they would deploy that on local law enforcement if it
succeeds here.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Well, and I would argue that in twenty twenty twenty
one they did in Minneapolis, great history of it happening
right there in that city. So local law enforcement has
to be a little gun shy, and I don't use
that term as a pun, but they have to be
a little nervous about engaging in some of this stuff.
History has not been on their side. In recent years,
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you know, there was a call to defund the police,
reimagine the police, and Minneapolis is the hotbed for it,
and now they're right in the spotlight again. You know,
they obviously have a chief that's not real supportive of
Ice and the mission that Ice has, nor does it
look like he's real defensive of his officers. So I
can't imagine the turmoil that exists inside of that police department,
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inside of the greater law enforcement community around Minneapolis. I'm
glad I'm not in law enforcement there, and it's tough
here in Colorado, but it's got to be exponentially harder
in Minneapolis right now. I feel for those guys. It's
a tough situation and.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
They have to be literally gunshy, because there's no question
in my mind that the way that Walls and Fry
and others are demonizing law enforcement up there, just as
we've seen the left do in Colorado, they know there
are a lot of whack jobs out there who take
that as a green light to go kill some officer
or kill a bunch of officers, and so that they
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know that and it doesn't stop them. So then you
have to ask yourselves, what are they really trying to accomplish.
So I've never seen a more toxic, dangerous environment. I
think the rule of laws at stake, and I hope
there's a full fear investigation. We get to the truth
wherever it leads. But Trump cannot let the left win
in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Now, if Trump walks away, if they pull all their
ice agents out and say we'll fight another day, they
may do that, but they're going to come back with
a much more difficult battle. I agree with you, They've
got to stay engaged.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Can they tone it down? Can they change the temperature
of the room by deploying different tactics, Yes, but it's
going to take the other side to do that as well.
And I don't know if Governor wals Or or Mayor
Fry are capable of helping to bring down the temperature.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
No, and they don't want to. I'm convinced at least
they don't want to. They want exactly what's happening right now.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
They want to give themselves some legal cover so they
don't get prosecuted for interference, but they want exactly what's
happening right now. Sheriff, Hey appreciate the time as always,
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Do you take care and listen.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Walls and
Frying these other lefties wanted Alex Pretty or anybody else killed,
or that they wanted Renee Good killed.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I'm not saying that, and I don't believe they did.
But do they.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Want this active interference with law enforcement and violation of
federal law?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yes? They do.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And are they willing to take the chance that they're
demonizing rhetoric gets one or more or a lot of
law enforcement officers killed. Yes, in my opinion, they are
more than willing to take that chance. Here on The
Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses,
afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading
that story of Anne Frank. Somebody's going to write that
children's story about Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And there's one person who can end this.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
See, that's just evil.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
And I don't use that word often, but Walls has
descended into raw, unadulterated evil. And to compare the federal
agents in Minnesota trying to apprehend people here illegally who
have violated other laws. Try to compare them to the
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Nazis who were going door to door trying to pull
out Jewish people to send them to their death because
they happen to be Jewish.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That's just evil, and.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
He's doing it on purpose, and he knows there can
be no doubt he knows those words may very well
lead to a mass shooting of ICE agents somewhere, or
a mass shooting of other law enforcement officers, or another
attempt to assassinate the president. Because when the governor of
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a state tells you the Nazis are going door to
door in your count trying to drag children away, you're
gonna have nutjobs out there who take that is the biggest,
brightest green light they've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
The mass murder. Walse knows that nobody's that dumb. He
knows that.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Did he want these citizens killed who he encouraged to
take to the streets and implicitly encourage him to interfere
with ICE. I know his cover story is just go
record what they're doing, but I think any honest person
would admit he and Fry had been implicitly encouraging people
to go out and commit the crime of interfering with
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law enforcement activities. Did he want them killed, Alex pretty
renee Good, No, I don't think he wanted them killed.
But he was willing to take that chance because he
had to know by encouraging all these private citizens to
take to the streets where ICE was operational, that he
was putting their lives at risk.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Had to know that.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Any moron would know that he was willing to take
a chance with their lives. But when it comes to
federal law enforcement, when you make a statement like that,
you know, you know you are putting them in grave,
grave danger, and he.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Clearly is willing to do that.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
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Speaker 2 (32:55):
As I go to the phone lines, as I've.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Said before, so important President Trump not let the left
wing in Minnesota by running off federal law enforcement, not
give the impression he's allowing that to happen.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Cycle back and talk about what I think the President's
concerns are now and how they can be addressed. Let's
go first to Colonel Kurt Dale and Parker Colorado, a
true American hero.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Colonel, what's your take on all this?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Well, I'll tell you I think that we've got a
situation that was pointed out quite nicely by the sheriff
about the auditory exclusion. I spent my first I got
to see my third tourer and electronic warfare in Vietnam.
I'm in that field and the warfare against the federal
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government that is interfering with the communication. The just twistles
is still simple but very effective form of shall I
say warfare? Uh, it will become more sophisticated. What's next?
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Are they going to be able to figure out jamming
capability for the radios making by fouling discreet frequencies? You know,
I have the Technical General and Extra Class SAM Radio
Operators license, and there's a lot of the people out
there that have far far more capability to go in
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and really fell up the communications. I think that walls
and prey are just becoming ability adversaries to the law
and don't order of our government. I would say that
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the whistles are just a beginning thing. Jamming scanners that
can run the frequencies and lay down interferences. As I said,
fite messages. All of that is just a more sophisticated thing.
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And I think they really are setting up that sort
of situation. I have no reluctance to break the SCC.
We will say, O he any reluctance to fail to
use explosives and fire and break every underle Also, I'll
worry about a simple time looking and you see limitation.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, colonel, great call and great point. We have to
bail on this hour, but what a great useful way
to in the hour. Thank you, sir, sure appreciate your time.
And there's no question the anss of whistling, et cetera,
as we open the show with, is designed to run
off federal law enforcement, make it an environment impossible to
operate in, and may have very well contributed to what
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happened on Saturday when we come back.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Why President Trump might be inclined to leave, I hope
he doesn't
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The American Way is at stake right now in Minneapolis.
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It's at stake in several seminole ways. First, obviously, the
American way is the rule of law. We must have
rule of law that applies to everybody on every side
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of this issue. The American Way is at stake there.
The American way rule of law starts with the Constitution.
Our very Constitution is at steak here. The Union is
at stake here. And I'd like you to think about
that for a second because it can sound rhetorical, it
can sound like an overstatement, but it's an understatement because
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the truth is there is a premeditated, deliberate attempt by
the left to break the union right now. The union
is based on the Constitution, and the union is based
on the Constitution and Supreme Court decisions and laws flowing
from the Constitution, and the Constitution says, let me simplify
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this and then we can break it down. The federal
government has responsibility for the enforcement of immigration law. And
the left has decided, whether it's Mike Johnston in Denver,
whether it's Walls and Frye and Minnesota, whether it's Lefty
after Lefty in la the left in certain places in America,
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the left that runs certain cities and states in America,
has decided to bust the Union when it comes to
the enforcement of illegal immigration, to set this precedent that
the federal government may no longer enforce immigration law unless
these blue states and these blue cities approve of it.
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We can't have that. The precedent alone would undermine the
stability of this nation. We cannot set this precedent. You
go back through our history and you've seen over and
over again the only reason we have the blessings of
this liberty today is people have fought and died so
this union stayed intact, and so that everybody had to
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follow the law even if they didn't like it, or
go out and work through the system and change it.
But Mike Johnston and Walls and Fry and others on
the left have said, no, we're not going to do
that anymore. We are just going to say federal government,
you can't enforce here. It actually started with Mike Johnston
in Denver talking about how he's going to send the
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cops to the county line to stop federal law enforcement
and call tens of thousands of Denver rights into the
streets to stop federal law enforcement. Think about that. That's
talking about breaking the union. And that's exactly what's been
going on in Minnesota. So the American way is at
stake there now. The American way also has at its
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core right that law enforcement will act within the bounds
of the law, as the vast majority of law enforcement
officers do. And my father, a great cop for thirty
years with a lot of years of pretty tough duty
on the South Side of Chicago, he acted within the
bounds of the law at all times, as the vast
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majority of law enforcement officers do, and without them, we
don't have an America. But the American way is that
the law applies to everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Nobody's above the law.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So that includes to what happened over the weekend in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
And if.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
This shooting was not justified under the law, if in
the end that's where the facts fall, I don't think
they will. But if that's where the facts fall, then
there has to be a full and fair and equal
Prosecution's critical we.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Get all the facts.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
But make no mistake about it, there are people on
the left right now trying to break the union. And
when you look at what actually happened at the time
alex pretty was shot, this is a situation where you
had the left somebody described it as an insurrection. This
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is a situation where you have this organized activity to
stop law enforcement from enforcing the law. Did talk about
a threat to our republic, but that has been going
on systematically in a number of places, but especially in Minnesota,
with the full implicit encouragement of the governor and the
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mayor of Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And that's what was going on at that moment.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And there's something that was happening there that has not
been talked about enough, and I want to start my
analysis with it. Everybody knows by now right you have
this highly organized effort by various leftist groups with the
specific intent of interfering with the enforcement of federal law.
That's what they're doing when they're simply out there tracking ice,
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following ice, blowing the whistles to try to warn the
people ice is apprehending, pursuing to the law, that ice.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Is coming, so they need to get away.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So they are out there with the express purpose of
interfering with the enforcement of federal law. Now it's in
that environment that you have all of these whistles being blown. Right,
and ask yourself this as we get into the analysis
of who's that fault in this fatal shooting. Why were
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they blowing the whistles? Why were they blowing the whistles
non stop? What's your answer to that question. Well, the
whistles are being blown, obviously in part to warn people
who have violated the law that law enforcement is approaching.
So the whistles are being blown in part to how
people who have violated the law escape law enforcement. But
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there's another reason the whistles are being blown. The whistles
are being blown to disorient the law enforcement officers. The
whistles are being blown to create an environment where law
enforcement can no longer function. And if you dispute that premise,
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I'd like to have the conversation three oh three seven
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seven three nine. So that's why the whistles are being blown.
So the law, in this case, federal law, just gives
up and goes home because the environment is so hard
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to operate in that that is being intentionally created by
the left, and I do believe that directly contribute to
the fatal shooting. And I'll break that down sequentially, but
to skip ahead briefly, when you have a situation like
that where law enforcement is trying to make an arrest
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and a subject's resisting, and if we can assume at
this point that at some point law enforcement realized there
was a gun, we know that was set at one point,
but how early we won't know until we see all
the interviews, testimony, et cetera. Because that isn't obvious from
the video. When law enforcement first became aware that the
suspect who is resisting them had a gun, then at
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that point, the left's intentional tactic to disorient, to scramble
the brains of law enforcement by blowing these whistles constantly.
That made the situation much more dangerous for everybody involved
and much more difficult for law enforcement to operate in.
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And at the end of the day, I don't know
if they're going to be criminal charges here or not.
I don't know whether criminal charges against one or more
of the law enforcement officers will be justified or not.
We don't have enough information yet, but you can be
certain that in the course of the investigation there's going
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to be a lot of focus on this incessant, constant,
very loud, disorienting whistling, because if nothing else, it would
have interfered with communications as they're trying to apprehend the suspect.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And so just keep that in mind as a starting point.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
What you have going on is an intentional effort on
the part of highly organized leftist groups to interfere with
active law enforcement officers. So, in other words, they are
out there to violate the law, because that's a violation
of federal law to intentionally interfere with officers who are
enforcing this federal immigration law. So their intent is to
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violate federal law when they go there. Now, in terms
of mister pretty, we don't know enough yet to know
whether his intent when he traveled to the scene was
to interfere with law enforcement operations or just record them.
We don't have enough information, in my opinion to draw
that conclusion. Now, as we come back from the break,
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and I want to go through the rest of this analysis,
and I'll take text and calls. We have mister pretty
at one point directing traffic, and some analysts say that
which obviously he's not legally.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Authorized to do. Some analysts say that he's.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Directing traffic to try to interfere with the law enforcement operations.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
If they're correct, that's a really important fact.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The media is saying, oh no, he's just trying to
keep people safe by directing traffic in a hazardous scene.
We'll have to see where all the evidence comes in
on that. But when we come back, I want to
break this down, give you my take based on the
available evidence. Get your sheriff Reemes will join us as
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well to talk about it, and then talk about the
biggest issue of all here, which is saying a lot
when a human life has been lost, and we'll talk
about whose fault that is. But when it comes to
the union and the survival of the Union, to me,
it seems obvious that the single most critical thing is
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President Trump cannot let the left win here, no matter
whether the shooting was justified or not, and we can't
know till we get the rest of the facts. President
Trump cannot let the left win. He cannot let the
federal government be run out of Minnesota because of these
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tactics by the left that the president would be so
damaging to this nation.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You're on the Dan Capitlo Show.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh, very provocative, Ryan, I love you being provocative with
your bumps.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, there are people to blame here. We just need
to get a full investigation done.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
We need to get the full truth out to all
of the American people, and then we'll know all the
people to blame.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
But we already know some people to blame.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And let's start with the obvious, right, Let's start with
all of these elected officials on the left who implicitly
encouraged private citizens to go out and commit the crime
of interfering with federal law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Let's start there. And it's implicit, right.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
They always walk that line carefully so you can't go
arrest them, but it's implicit. Whether it's Mike Johnston in
Denver talking about and I'm paraphrase and now he's going
to send Denver police out to the county line to
stop federal law enforcement. Tens of thousands of Denver rights
will take to the streets to stop federal law enforcement.
Referring and again I'm paraphrasing to out of state National
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Guard if they came to Colorado as some kind of invaders.
But the most obvious example being Walls, and we have
some more of that today, some fresh stuff from that today,
Walls and Fry up in Minnesota. Any honest person has
to admit that they have been implicitly encouraging private citizens
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to take to the streets and commit the crime of
interfering with ice. And have you ever heard them condemn
any of that conduct? Now, so you start their clear
blame to be laid there. And we could take some time,
you know, breaking down the different motives they have for that,
but let's just start with that reality that any objective
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observer would agree to, and then you go to other blame. Certainly,
there's blame on mister Prettie himself, and God rest his soul.
And I'm so sorry for him, and I'm so sorry
for his parents and his family and anybody else who
loved him that he's gone. But while it's perfectly fine
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to legally carry a firearm anywhere you're allowed to legally
carry it. It is not fine to resist federal law
enforcement while you're carrying a firearm. Now, is that what
this investigation is going to show happened here?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
My opinion watching the publicly available video is he appeared
to be resisting. Now, maybe we find facts, Maybe we
find facts when the full investigation is done.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
That contradicts that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
But yeah, you have a Second Amendment right to carry
as long as you're carrying in comp aliance.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
With the law.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
There are published reports that he was not carrying his ID,
which is required by the law his permit to carry.
We'll find out after the full investigation whether those reports
are true. One thing I think we all know is
that if law enforcement is giving you an order, then
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whether we think that order is justified or not, we
need to comply at the time it's given, and then
we need to address the legitimacy of the order later
or the justification for the order later.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But these are some additional examples of.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Why it's so important we get all the information out there,
all the information out there before we can draw any
firm conclusions. So as I said here right now, And
as you know from living your own life, it takes
a measure of.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Discipline, you know, mental discipline.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
To avoid drawing conclusions until you can and get all
the information in because you can't unsee what you see
in that video. But there are so many things we
can't know until we get the full sworn testimony of
everybody who was in that dogpile.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
We just can't know it.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
At what point within that scrum, within that fight, was
law enforcement aware that the person they were trying to
apprehend and who was resisting them it appears in the video,
at what point did they become aware that he had
a weapon? And then what facts were there within that dogpile?
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You know, what facts were there that would have led
somebody to reasonably believe that he was trying to use
that weapon. And of course you've heard everybody has heard
that the theory out there that maybe the weapon accidentally discharged
and cause law enforcement to believe that he was employing
the weapon. But there are certainly other scenarios, other hypotheticals
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where law enforcement could have had a reasonable belief that
he was trying to reach that weapon, But we can't
know until we get all of the facts of the
investigation where the truth falls in there. But this we
do know, so bottom line, and if you disagree with this,
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I really I'd love to take your text first, your
calls first, if you think I'm missing something. But bottom
line is when it comes to whether the shooting is
justified or not legally justified, we can't possibly know with
just the information we have right now. So once again,
everybody out there calling the law enforcement officers murderers, etc.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think they're.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Either just knowingly and intentionally eyeing and slandering and defaming,
or they're being willfully ignorant, or they're just ignorant because
nobody can credibly say that right now based on the
information that's publicly available, in my opinion, And similarly, I
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think people are out there saying this was clearly a justified,
legally justified shoot, which doesn't mean there weren't other paths available,
but we're talking about legally justified. Those who are claiming
it's an open and shut, clearly justified shoot.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Again, I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Think that's reasonable until we get the rest of the
information that we need. If you disagree with me on that,
please I would love to hear from you. Whereas the
last scenario we were referring to, my constitutionally protected opinion
from the available video is that clearly that was a
legally justified shoot, and I thought that was clear from
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the moment that video became available. Now the separate question
of was it the best practice under the circumstances, could
it have been avoided? Yeah, those are fair questions, but
I thought they're in a good shooting. And again I
wish the whole situation had never happened, but I thought
that based on the video, was clearly going to be
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found justifiable here. I just think we need more facts,
share frames coming up after the break, and then I
really do want to dive in to your calls and emails.
Hopefully one thing we can all agree on is that
the bigger issue when it comes to this nation and
the stability of this nation and this nation as a
nation governed by laws not men, is going to be
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President Trump doing everything necessary to make sure that federal
law prevails and that the Left does not succeed in
establishing this precedent that it can bully, intimidate, harass the
federal government.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Out of enforcing federal law. You're on the Dan Kapla Show.
Share frames.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Next you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Sheriff Steve Raims Well Kunty Sheriff kind enough to join
us in the Dan Caplis Show. Sheriff, I've been to
have really been interested to get your take on this
shooting in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So I'm just going to turn the floor over to you.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
The questions are obvious, but really appreciate your insight.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, thanks for having me on Dan. You know, I
hate having to talk about these things. I think the
last time I was on with you were discussing or
a Good. Yep. You know, when I look at this incident,
it's not as clear cut as as the one involving
or A Good, and you highlighted it really well in
the first segment of your show when you're talking about
the whistle blowing and all the noise and the chaos
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that was created around this incident. You know that's that's
by design by the protesters, the rioters, and they are
trying to very much get in the head of the
law enforcement officers and create what we call auditory exclusion
where they can't they can't tell what's going on on
their ears are basically shut off to you know, protect
their their sanity if you will. So when this this
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interaction starts happening with with Pritt Pretty, it becomes obvious
that there's there's a level of confusion here about you know,
what are we doing?
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (20:18):
You know, are we trying to take this guy to
the ground? What's going on? And at some point you
see a person reach in. I assume it's an ice officer.
You know, it's hard to tell by the fact that
they're not uniforms, but you see what it looks like
to be someone removing the gun from the side of
mister Pretty. And as that happens, I'm assuming someone yells
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gun because they see a gun present, and because not
everybody has the same situation situational awareness. When you hear
gun in an incident like that. As a law enforcement officer,
that's that's to tell you that there's a threat, that hey,
there's a gun present that shouldn't be. And obviously, several
of the options fired at the suspect and killed him instantly.
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It looks like I'm not telling you that that's an
ideal situation. I'm not giving cover for those officers. But
the totality of the circumstances involved in that incident, I
think will come to light when those officers are interviewed
independently of one another and they're asked, Hey, what did
you perceive in that given time. I have to assume
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that someone said either I've got the gun or there
is a gun, or the word gun was set out
loud to heighten the officer's sense of awareness. And you know,
obviously they felt somebody, one of them or more of
them felt that it was a deadly forced encounter, that
someone's life was endangering, and they fired upon the suspect.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Suare frames are guessed, And you know, I obviously have
a pro police bias for lots of reasons, starting with
my dad being an officer for thirty years. But with
that said, I've never seen can't recall seeing a case
in the media or anywhere else. And I traveled to
Los Angeles and covered the Rodney King case for months.
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In fact, one of the officers who was charged and acquitted,
Tim Wind, came to Colorado and he and his family
stayed with our family after that trial. So I've seen
a lot of these situations through the media, etc. I've
never seen a situation where officers just stood there and decided.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
To execute somebody.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So I find it impossible to believe that that happened here.
There must have been a belief not only that he
had a gun, but that he was going for the gun.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And that's my assumption.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
We'll see what the evidence shows whether that was a
good faith belief. I mean, we don't know yet, do
we sheriff whether he was going for the gun or not.
We can't know that from the outside of this dog pile.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Well, that's the tough part here is you know, you
have a bunch of people who produced video, they put
it out on social media, and people jumped to a
conclusion that may be accurate, may not be accurate, and
a lot of there's a lot of skepticism right now
about you know, is the FBI or whomever investigates this,
are they going to do that with you know, with
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a clear head. Are they going to do that objectively?
And you know, the right people on the right argued
that when the left is in control, and now the
left is arguing that when the right is in control.
And so it's really what we see here is a
lack of faith in our government from both sides of
the equation given the time frame of when something occurs,
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and that's troubling in and of itself. But you know,
I lost the deputy in twenty ten in a very
similar situation where that deputy was disarmed and his firearm
was used to shoot and kill him in the middle
of one of these piles. The gun was yelled when
the gun was produced, and there were people in that
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pile that believe, no, we've got this guy under control,
and he's fired the shot and killed my deputy. And
then obviously he was killed in returned. So these incidents,
aren't you know, It's not like it never occurs. And
the officers involved in this situation, they need to be given,
you the opportunity to state their case and plet their
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case and an investigation and let that system work itself out.
I just hope that citizens can be patient enough to
allow that to cur the way it should.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, because multiple levels. Right, innocent until proven guilty. Second,
officers always have to be operating, you know, in this
split second environment, you know, not the comfort of a
radio or TV studio or somebody's living room. And then third,
just self preservation is a society we literally cannot operate
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as a society unless enough high quality men and women
are willing to go out and risk their lives as
law enforcement officers.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
And well, I think you see the respect for law
enforcement and the job that they do waning in many
parts of the world, and right here in our own country.
You know, when Ice isn't viewed on equal ground as
any other law enforcement officer, that's troubling and that creates
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a slippery slope effect for those of us that are
working at the local law enforcement level, where well, if
Ice is first on the list and let's say we
go to assist Ice or we you know, we lumped
in with that same group, and there's that lack of
respect for Ice, does that carry over to local law enforcement?
I mean, all these factors are playing into a big
narrative right now that quite frankly, it's just ugly. Ice
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is doing a job that is lawful and federally mandated
and required, and as you said earlier in your show,
you have local officials who want to be able to
give permission for that that law enforcement to occur, and
that's just not the way the system is set up.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Well, and our guests, let's talk tactics. In another sense,
if the Left succeeds in running federal law enforcement out
of Minnesota through these tactics, then at that point they're
not going to stop there. They're going to employ these
same tactics on local law enforcement, and they are going
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to run local law enforcement out of any areas they
want to, any situations they want to through this overwhelmed
because it appears that everything I see report in the media,
you know, there's a very high level of operational control
involved here. I'm not sure of mister Pretty's particular involvement,
(26:38):
if any, and any of that, but generally speaking, you know,
these are highly organized leftist groups that are communicating with
each other to deploy people to certain areas. Who doubts
they would deploy that on local law enforcement if it
succeeds here.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Well, and I would argue that in twenty twenty twenty
one they did in Minneapolis, great history of it happening
right there in that city. So local law enforcement has
to be a little gun shy, and I don't use
that term as a pun, but they have to be
a little nervous about engaging in some of this stuff.
History has not been on their side. In recent years,
(27:15):
you know, there was a call to defund the police,
reimagine the police, and Minneapolis is the hotbed for it,
and now they're right in the spotlight again. You know,
they obviously have a chief that's not real supportive of
Ice and the mission that Ice has, nor does it
look like he's real defensive of his officers. So I
can't imagine the turmoil that exists inside of that police department,
(27:39):
inside of the greater law enforcement community around Minneapolis. I'm
glad I'm not in law enforcement there, and it's tough
here in Colorado, but it's got to be exponentially harder
in Minneapolis right now. I feel for those guys. It's
a tough situation and.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
They have to be literally gunshy, because there's no question
in my mind that the way that Walls and Fry
and others are demonizing law enforcement up there, just as
we've seen the left do in Colorado, they know there
are a lot of whack jobs out there who take
that as a green light to go kill some officer
or kill a bunch of officers, and so that they
(28:16):
know that and it doesn't stop them. So then you
have to ask yourselves, what are they really trying to accomplish.
So I've never seen a more toxic, dangerous environment. I
think the rule of laws at stake, and I hope
there's a full fear investigation. We get to the truth
wherever it leads. But Trump cannot let the left win
in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Now, if Trump walks away, if they pull all their
ice agents out and say we'll fight another day, they
may do that, but they're going to come back with
a much more difficult battle. I agree with you, They've
got to stay engaged.
Speaker 6 (28:50):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Can they tone it down? Can they change the temperature
of the room by deploying different tactics, Yes, but it's
going to take the other side to do that as well.
And I don't know if Governor wals Or or Mayor
Fry are capable of helping to bring down the temperature.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
No, and they don't want to. I'm convinced at least
they don't want to. They want exactly what's happening right now.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
They want to give themselves some legal cover so they
don't get prosecuted for interference, but they want exactly what's
happening right now. Sheriff, Hey appreciate the time as always,
Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Do you take care and listen.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Walls and
Frying these other lefties wanted Alex Pretty or anybody else killed,
or that they wanted Renee Good killed.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I'm not saying that, and I don't believe they did.
But do they.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Want this active interference with law enforcement and violation of
federal law?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yes? They do.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And are they willing to take the chance that they're
demonizing rhetoric gets one or more or a lot of
law enforcement officers killed. Yes, in my opinion, they are
more than willing to take that chance. Here on The
Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses,
afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading
that story of Anne Frank. Somebody's going to write that
children's story about Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And there's one person who can end this.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
See, that's just evil.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
And I don't use that word often, but Walls has
descended into raw, unadulterated evil. And to compare the federal
agents in Minnesota trying to apprehend people here illegally who
have violated other laws. Try to compare them to the
(30:46):
Nazis who were going door to door trying to pull
out Jewish people to send them to their death because
they happen to be Jewish.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That's just evil, and.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
He's doing it on purpose, and he knows there can
be no doubt he knows those words may very well
lead to a mass shooting of ICE agents somewhere, or
a mass shooting of other law enforcement officers, or another
attempt to assassinate the president. Because when the governor of
(31:21):
a state tells you the Nazis are going door to
door in your count trying to drag children away, you're
gonna have nutjobs out there who take that is the biggest,
brightest green light they've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
The mass murder. Walse knows that nobody's that dumb. He
knows that.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Did he want these citizens killed who he encouraged to
take to the streets and implicitly encourage him to interfere
with ICE. I know his cover story is just go
record what they're doing, but I think any honest person
would admit he and Fry had been implicitly encouraging people
to go out and commit the crime of interfering with
(32:11):
law enforcement activities. Did he want them killed, Alex pretty
renee Good, No, I don't think he wanted them killed.
But he was willing to take that chance because he
had to know by encouraging all these private citizens to
take to the streets where ICE was operational, that he
was putting their lives at risk.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Had to know that.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Any moron would know that he was willing to take
a chance with their lives. But when it comes to
federal law enforcement, when you make a statement like that,
you know, you know you are putting them in grave,
grave danger, and he.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Clearly is willing to do that.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Three O three seven one three eight two five five
takes d A N five seven seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
As I go to the phone lines, as I've.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Said before, so important President Trump not let the left
wing in Minnesota by running off federal law enforcement, not
give the impression he's allowing that to happen.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I want to.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Cycle back and talk about what I think the President's
concerns are now and how they can be addressed. Let's
go first to Colonel Kurt Dale and Parker Colorado, a
true American hero.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Colonel, what's your take on all this?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Well, I'll tell you I think that we've got a
situation that was pointed out quite nicely by the sheriff
about the auditory exclusion. I spent my first I got
to see my third tourer and electronic warfare in Vietnam.
I'm in that field and the warfare against the federal
(33:49):
government that is interfering with the communication. The just twistles
is still simple but very effective form of shall I
say warfare? Uh, it will become more sophisticated. What's next?
(34:12):
Are they going to be able to figure out jamming
capability for the radios making by fouling discreet frequencies? You know,
I have the Technical General and Extra Class SAM Radio
Operators license, and there's a lot of the people out
there that have far far more capability to go in
(34:35):
and really fell up the communications. I think that walls
and prey are just becoming ability adversaries to the law
and don't order of our government. I would say that
(34:55):
the whistles are just a beginning thing. Jamming scanners that
can run the frequencies and lay down interferences. As I said,
fite messages. All of that is just a more sophisticated thing.
(35:17):
And I think they really are setting up that sort
of situation. I have no reluctance to break the SCC.
We will say, O he any reluctance to fail to
use explosives and fire and break every underle Also, I'll
worry about a simple time looking and you see limitation.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, colonel, great call and great point. We have to
bail on this hour, but what a great useful way
to in the hour. Thank you, sir, sure appreciate your time.
And there's no question the anss of whistling, et cetera,
as we open the show with, is designed to run
off federal law enforcement, make it an environment impossible to
operate in, and may have very well contributed to what
(35:59):
happened on Saturday when we come back.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Why President Trump might be inclined to leave, I hope
he doesn't
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