July 10, 2026 • 35 mins
This episode of the Dan Caplis Show is a thought-provoking discussion about the recent GOP primary win of Victor Marx in Colorado. The speaker dives into the implications of this victory and the challenges that lie ahead for the Marx campaign. With the general election approaching, many Republicans are grappling with the decision of whether to support Marx, despite concerns about his character and policies.
The conversation touches on the importance of considering one's moral principles when casting a vote, particularly in a state where the Democratic Party has a strong presence. The speaker shares his own thought process, weighing the pros and cons of supporting Marx, including his stance on abortion and the allegations against him. He also explores the idea of the "swing vote" and the moral implications of being the deciding factor in a close election.
The episode also features a lively discussion with listeners, including a caller who predicts that Marx's candidacy will hurt other Republican candidates in down-ballot races. Another listener shares their concerns about Marx's character, citing his past behavior and the allegations against him. The speaker responds thoughtfully, acknowledging the complexities of the issue and the need for voters to make their own informed decisions.
If you're interested in hearing more about the implications of Victor Marx's win and the challenges he faces in the general election, tune in to this episode of the Dan Kaplis Show. The speaker's thoughtful analysis and engaging discussion with listeners make for a compelling listen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
But He's a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
But they make me so happy because I just love
really interesting things. I love things that are unique we've
never seen before. You've really got to think hard about them,
you know, there's some new things to figure out.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It just for me, it's kind of a mental high.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Zach.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I don't know if you're that way, Zach Siegers behind
the glass, doing a great job, and it's just.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, And I don't drink much.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I have a kind of otherworldly ability to drink, but
I don't.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I drink very little. I don't do drugs.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I don't get those kind of highs, not judging anybody
who does.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But this just stuff like.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
This, it just kind of stimulates the brain and gives
me a kind of a mental buzz, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Variety is the spicy life.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well, yeah, and just these kind of really interesting, unique,
intellectually challenging things. And I'm talking obviously about what we
ended the show with yesterday as the news broke, which
is Victor Marx being the GOP nominee, and we just
had lines of jams who got that great first round
of callers and really fair, profound probing questions such as, Okay, Dan,
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are you going to endorse Victor Marx now? Because I
don't endorse in primaries with one exception years ago, and
fair question. But then it led to a really deep
discussion that I hope to continue today because I would
guess there are all sorts of people all over the
state who normally vote for the GOP nominee and are
going through that same thought process, and then there are
(01:44):
all sorts of folks I go one nice fella I
ran into today in my office building who are just hey,
it's Victor all the way and you know, really cool,
smart guy, just you know, just didn't really couldn't see
any other path. And so it's just it's one of
those things that makes it so interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So look forward to that conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Really love to hear from you now that you've had
a little time to digest it, full time to digest it.
I want to talk about the reasons he won, because
I think there are some really important lessons in that
for GOP candidates going forward. The Marx campaign obviously did
a number of things brilliantly, you know, to be able
to win, and they came in with some advantages, the
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outsider with already a strong following from his other work outside,
but they came in with a lot of head wins
as different stories broke, and they obviously made the right
tactical calls to be able to win that close race
against a very very good candidate. I mean, Barbar Kirkmeyer
is a really accomplished, impressive person who's done well in
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every position she's held in government. And Scott Bottom's got
a lot of votes. So lessons to be learned from
the success of the Marx campaign. But then those other issues,
other issues. What advice would you give to the campaign?
And I know that seems like a trite question, but
when you start to drill down on it, it's the
opposite of tried.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What advice would you give to that campaign?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And that probably depends on how you view the campaign.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Right out of the blocks right three out.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
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have much more we're going to talk about today as well.
But to me that that and all these other topics
are important. But to me that's really so interesting to
work through intellectually and morally all of that. Because you
know that great question that came in at the end
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of the show of Okay, what are you going to
do now? You're going to support them? And my answer
was and is and remains and I think for really
bulletproof reasons. But if you see a flow on the reason,
you please, I'd love for you to point it out.
You could do that a couple of ways. The way
I really like best is for people to call three
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(04:04):
I know that puts me in the caveman camp, pay friend, Hey,
Barney House pebbles. Yeah, But most people text d An
five seven seven three nine. But my answer was as
it should be. First, I really want to support Victor.
I really want to be able to support the GOP nominee.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's the starting point.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And part of that is is the Democrat candidate supports
so many truly wicked things. And I'm not saying that
Phil Wiser is an evil person or a wicked person
or anything like that, not at all. When I've had
him on the show, I've enjoyed him, but that doesn't
change the fact that he and this Democrat Socialist Party
in Colorado supports some.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Really wicked things.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And so you really want to be able to support
the GOP nominee, at least I do. And then the
next step is know I have for many many years
since we used to have we've had so many great
archbishops I'm Catholic archbishops in Colorado, including the current one,
Archbishop Goco. One of those great archbishops Charles Shephew, and
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he changed my whole worldview once when he was under
fire from Ken Salazar and other prominent people in the
Democratic Party for a piece he'd written. And Archbishop Shephew
is not partisan in any way, but he did say
very clearly God will judge you on how you vote,
you know, And so I've really taken that to art
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and I try to cast each vote understanding I will
be judged by God on how I use this great
gift of political power I've been given. And I know
most of us you're probably the same way. Don't view
the vote as like any big great political power, but
when you start to think about it in the context
of the rest of the world and human history, it
really is and I think it carries that powerful moral requirement.
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So so I take that very seriously and I apply
that to this governor's race. And so the starting point
for me then is, Okay, where does Victor stand done.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Life on the pro life issue?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And I just I just need some clarity that he's
truly pro life, because you know, you get a lot
of people who say, and I'm not saying this is Victor,
but you get a lot of people say, oh, I'm
pro life, but uh, but but not in politics. So
that's like saying, yeah, I don't think people should have slaves,
but I don't want I don't want to impose my
attitudes on them. No, No, I want to know if
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he's truly pro life. And and then also I have
no reason to doubt he is. I just want to
know that. I want that confirmed.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And then.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And then I just need personally, just one guy. I
just need to get some clarity and some comfort on
these different allegations. And so it's not as if I'll
never a candidate who's made some mistakes or is flawed
or has said some things that aren't true, because every
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candidate from both parties to ever run has had those issues.
All of us are flawed, right, all of us have
made mistakes. That's never Perfection is never my standard. This
race is really different than anything I've seen before in
the sense the nature of the allegations against Victor and
allegations brought by a lot of people I really respect.
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You know, they're very, very serious, and they're the kind
of allegations that if true, and I have not concluded
they are obviously or there'd be nothing to think about,
but these kind of allegations that he has lied to
Christians to get their money. If those allegations were true,
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then in my mind, yeah, that would be a disqualifier.
And then you get to and I'm not concluding they're true.
I'm just hoping in the course of this general election,
when there's more time and he's going to be out
there presumably campaign more broadly, that we'll get more information
on that be in a better position to just kind
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of draw a conclusion I'm comfortable with on that. And
then that goes to the really interesting question raised by
a great caller yesterday who wanted me to just declare
for Victor. Now of wait a second, Danielle. All candidates
have flaws. But this brings me back to this really
interesting question, right, and I'll leave it at this before
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we hit this break, and then we'll go to the
phones and the text. But I've been asking myself as
I try to work through this, because what I always
try to do, and I'm sure you do too with
things important to you, is I try to just just
be completely brutally honest with myself and just ask clean slate. Okay,
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you know, Dan that if you conclude that these allegations
are true, that you would not be comfortable voting for
somebody who had done those things if true.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
But what if you were the very last vote?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Did you ever see zech Did you ever see that
movie with Kevin Costner's swing vote. No, I sat down
in New Mexico swing state presidential His ballot had been
lost and not counted. It had fallen behind a box
at the polling station, and so the court I think
it was, if I remember the movie, had ruled that
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he would have the chance to recast his ballot and
the state of New Mexico would decide the election. It
came down to his ballot. So that's the premise of
swing state.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's a fun premise.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, and then you got both presidential candidates, including the
sitting president flying and so I asked myself that question, Also,
is it a different analysis?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Say, on the one hand, you're.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Sitting here going okay, if those allegations are true, then yeah,
you couldn't vote for a person if the person had
done those things.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But what if you were the very last to vote.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And whether Phil Wiser became governor or not dependent on
your vote?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Would that change the analysis?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So anyway, I'm just I'm just telling you the process
I'm going through. And I'm not saying anybody cares about
any of this other than me. Believe me, I'm not
that presumptuous. I'm just fascinated by this situation we find
ourselves in as a party in a state right now.
And then that ties into the other question of what
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advice would you give to the Marx campaign, Because as
long as the odds are and I don't care, we
could have the greatest candidates for governor we've ever had
in the history of this date and they'd be facing very,
very long odds.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You never want to flat give up. What's the best strategy.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
What's the best strategy for the Marx campaign if they
want to have their best chance to win the general.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Now back to the Dan Kapler Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's my kind of man. Iver.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Get tired of that Elizabeth Warren talking about crim Plattner,
who still has not withdrawn from that race, has exact
Let's uh, let's go to the lines thereon Fuego. Want
to get to our great Texters as well. Obviously everybody
talking about Victor Marx winning that GOP primary. Let's start
with Leonard in Beautiful Pueblo, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You're on the Dan Capla show. Welcome Leonard.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
H When I woulded a general uh.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Primary, I.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Chipped over the those candidates, not.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
On purpose, but yet on purpose because I couldn't even
making my mind. So whoever, whoever's the best generous, which
which is?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Which is Victor Mark?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I just wish the other two candidates with get with
him and talk to him, whether they said they won't
won't do this, won't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Leonard, Thank you for that. What a great way to
start the calls today.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, The question of whether Barb Kirkmeyer is going to
endorse Victor, she said during the race she would not
if he won, may have been answered yesterday when she
issued her statement regarding the race, thanking everybody for the
supported center and ended it by saying, and I haven't
killed anybody, So that may be a hint that we
will not be seeing an endorsement Scott. I hear just
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got out of the hospital. Prayers for Scott Bottoms. Sounds
like he had some, if I understood the story, writes
some severe diabetic reactions.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So as soon as he's.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Up to it, and we even know, we'll get both
on and find out what their intention is there. Leonard
is pulling for an endorsement, for everybody to come together.
Let's go to Falcon, Colorado. Troy, you're on the dan
Kaplis show.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Welcome Hey them. Yeah, Victor Martz, he's a very charismatic caricature.
But I believe he's a Manchurian candidate, that he's a
puppet that the Democratic, the Colorado Democratic Colorado Democratic Party
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is put in place.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Boy, I don't think that's at all, Troy. What makes
you believe that?
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Well? I believe that the leffling and affiliates voted him
into uh set him up to you know, be defeated.
If you notice, as soon as it was announced.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
All of Kyle Mark or Kyle Clark's uh clips.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
From his interview and the comedian show that you know,
they've they've lit him up.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, yeah, and try appreciate the call on that.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I don't think that's the case at all, Starting with
the fact that it looks like almost nobody voted in
the GOP primary, right, let me pull up those numbers.
Certainly not a bunch of un affiliateds, my goodness. I'll
pull up the numbers from twenty twenty two, which was
the last off yere yea a GOP primary for governor,
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and compare them to this year. And just see, let's
go back to twenty twenty two, for example, because I
think Victor one with maybe two hundred and six thousand
and change votes, he was maybe about twenty five hundred
ahead a barb well, my goodness, in in twenty twenty two.
Keeping in mind, Victor one with two hundred and six
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and change. Greg Lopez, who lost that race in twenty
twenty two, got way more than that. Greg Lopez got
two hundred and ninety two thousand in twenty twenty two.
Heidi Ganal, who won the GOP primary, got three hundred
and forty one thousand votes in twenty twenty two. So
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you know, that's one hundred and thirty five thousand more
than Victor got in winning in this cycle. My only
point is it doesn't diminish his victory at all. The
point is that the unaffiliateds voted overwhelmingly in the Democrat
race between Wiser and Bennett, and then in twenty twenty
two you saw more unaffiliateds in the Republican race because
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that's where the action was, because Polis was a sitting governor.
So yeah, I think unaffiliateds went into the dem race.
I think the Marx campaign very smartly realized that's what
was going to happen, focused on their base, their core supporters,
and it was enough to get them over the line.
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Speaker 2 (15:38):
Let's get to our great texters today.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
We've got plenty of those coming in, you know, and
I want to take on one category of texts that
we've got so many of right now, and I'll get
to the individual text because they deserve it. People work
hard on these texts and have good thoughts, but we've
got a whole bunch of texts that essentially say, hey,
I'm not going to support Victor Marx. This idea that
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I have to support my party's nominee is nonsense, etc.
And all I would say to that is I get it.
I mean, I want to support Victor Marx, but I'm
not all the way there yet. For the reasons I said,
I need this other information I've asked for. But all
I would ask is that people who normally vote Republican
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that they just be willing to keep an open mind
and to take into account whatever new information comes up
during this campaign, because at the end of the day,
one thing we know for sure is the GOP candidate,
whoever he or she is, has no chance to win
whatsoever unless there's an overall unified Republican party just just
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working the math. And so I just hope that people
keep an open mind, no matter how strong their current
conclusion is.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In this case, those who say they.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Can never vote for Victor Mark, believe me, I get
why you have arrived there. But all I'm saying is
I hope it's going to be a long haul right
between now November. I just hope you keep an open
mind and let's see what comes out. And to me,
that's going to be one of the most interesting things
to happen in this campaign is what kind of a
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campaign does Victor run. Obviously made the right choices in
the primary to win, but will we see Victor mount
a really aggressive statewide campaign trying to win, or will
we see a completely different strategy of not doing much,
not going out much behind the base, issuing some videos
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and just letting it roll that way.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So, all I'm saying is if Victor Marx comes out
and he's taken all these issues head on that concerns
so many people. All I'm saying is keep your mind
open to the possibility that there may be some new
information in there that changes the way.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You look at it. That's all I'm saying. But I'll
come back and we'll get into specific text, We'll go
to the phone lines as well.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
We'll start up in beautiful northern Colorado with Chris and
then just can't wait to get your take. We have
never think about it, how long Colorado's been around, We've
never seen anything like this before. How's it gonna roll out?
What kind of campaign is Victor gonna run? What are
you gonna do? How's it going to affect the other
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candidates up and down the ballot? How's it going to
affect the future of the GOP in Colorado? Three or
three seven three eight two five five an five seven
seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You're on the Dan Capitla Show.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Had Yeah, we've We've had a nice firm, a whole
chunk of money, and I've got some stuff back. Some
of what you've seen on the news. We got that
other stuff We didn't.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Did the vetting process turn up the tattoo that became
so controversial here?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No, the reddit posts did that turn up in the
vetting process. The firm sent.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Us a thing and it has some of.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
The pss, but it did have all of them.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I said, none of this well, or should stop him
from becoming a center.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He got to google up that video over the weekend.
You've seen it, right, Zach of You can't stop giggling that, right.
These two knuckleheads who advanced the Graham Plattner candidacy that
you know has so fabulously blown up on the Democrats.
So and Zach you with the correction, my friend, he
is officially out at this point, right.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
He is?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
He is?
Speaker 8 (19:51):
There's he released a very interesting video yesterday that I'll
get us some sound from. But his it's maybe the
weirdest out or concession or anything of that genre I've
ever seen from a political candidate.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, and obviously be on the front of just watching
the Democrats exposed.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's what they're exposed on.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And I really hope it's starting to sink in the
Democrat disrespect for women and that the true Democrat war
on women. I mean, they were lining up to support
this guy, Elizabeth Warren. He's my kind of man.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I said to myself, that's my kind.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Of man, no matter how many women he had abused,
right as long as they thought he could win. Yeah,
and I hope more people are starting to see the
Democrats for what they really are.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Chris in Northern Colorado. You're on the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Welcome, Hey, Dan. Sorry for claring his throat there you play.
It was born. I threw up in my mouth and
I can't try to clear it all out before you.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm sorry. To hear that should we send help.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
No, Hey, listen, I I just want to I'm just
gonna make a prediction here. Work in the political space.
Everybody should be focusing on all the lower races and
forget this government race because Lopez qualified and now that's
going to split the vote even further. There is zero
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chance that Victor Marx wins. I don't care how much
money he raises.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Do you think Chris being in the political space as
you say, let's say you took the strongest candidates we've
ever had in the modern GOP, and I would say
Bill Owens krey Gardner for example. You know I've had
Hank Brown, Bill Armstrong. Do you think any of our
strongest candidates could win the governor's race in this cycle
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in Colorado?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Man, that's a tough That's a tough one. I think
it would be really hard. I mean, you know, unfortunately
the left has done a better job branding who the
right is or who they say we are. Then then
the right has done in branding themselves. Ye when you
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boil it down and you got Greg Lopez in there,
I mean you said it. How many votes did he
get when he was racing in the primary, racing against Heidi.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, he's going to lotch. He's a popular cat.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
In twenty twenty two, Greg got two hundred and ninety
two thousand, which is about eighty five thousand more than
the Winter got in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, if he pulls anywhere between three and five percent, yeah,
Victor's done. And I guarantee he's going to pull that much.
So I just hearing all the discussion. I have just
been harping and harping and harping that everybody needs to
focus on the state House, the House and Senate seats
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in Colorado, because if we don't protect if they gain
an their seat, it doesn't matter who the who the
governor is.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, and what do you say, what do you say
to those who say that the Marks candidacy is going
to hurt people in all of those other state races?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I don't know. My My my specialty that has
developed in the political spaces is get out the vote.
And so that's a question that I'm constantly pondering because
I think every I think every candidate needs to distance
themselves from him because you know, when he came out
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early on he put out a post not too long
into his candidacy about how brutal the Republicans were, and
I replied back and said, wait till the Dems get
a hold of you.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, you know, but let me ask you, Chris. This
idea is of GOP candidates distancing themselves from Victor. Victor
obvious he has a very devoted core group of supporters
and it's not a small group. It was enough to
win the GOP primary. And I know some of those
people and they're very impressive. I respect them a lot.
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So if it's going to be tricky for GOP candidates
because if they do a clear distancing, they're going to
be burning off a chunk of very loyal people.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, I don't know what the recipe is for success
on our side at this point, and I hate to
say that.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
And that's where what I bring it down to, Chris
is the way I started the show, and that is
everybody does their own analysis, right, but I assume a
lot of people are like me.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
For me, it's I view.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
My vote as a moral thing, and I believe in
the end God is going to judge all of us
in part on how we used our votes, and so
I have to approach it that way, and I'm sure
a lot of other people do as well, and there's
a lot that can factor into it. But I think
you're gonna have a lot of voters who are just
used to supporting the GOP nominee. If they have questions
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about Victor, I think they're going to come back to
that analysis.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, you know. And it's interesting because I have a
bit of interaction with higher level donors and none of
them had good things to say about him.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
When I say none of them, like like none of them.
So it's a question again, if people want to vote
for Victor, go vote for Victor. What I'm saying is
as far as energy, money, help, volunteering, that kind of thing,
if you really truly understand where we are as a
party in this state, you'll get behind those those House
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districts and Senate district candidates. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And I'd extend that one one step and me personally,
my first dollars in this cycle are going to the
Protect Kids Colorado ballot measures and to Michael Allen in
the A Jeez race. That's not to disrespect anybody else
in any other race. And I'm sure I'll contribute to
some other races, but I think those are our best
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chance to win, at least to win with statewide impact.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think those could definitely
help help bring in up ballot or down ballot votes.
But you know, again, you know the conversation being Marx
and can he do it with with Greg Lopez? If
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Greg Lopez wasn't in it, I would say it could
be a crapshoot. But I but I just don't see
there's no path for victory when when you're going to
split the vote on the Republican side where turnout is
already already low as it is.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, Chris, appreciate the call.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Man, hope you call off, and thank you for that
getting us some textures to d A N five seven,
seven through nine.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Dan, My mind is always open, but.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
My objection to Marx is the character he has shown
throughout the campaign. This Sebra stripes are already well defined,
Texter Dan, I'm not necessarily voting for Victor Marx. I'm
voting to stop Phil Wiser from becoming governor. In order
to do that, I have to vote for Victor Marx.
I understand that logic, and I would not try to
argue with anybody who takes that position, because that position
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is very well grounded morally, in my humble opinion, because
you look at the wickedness I mean the outright wickedness
that all of these Democrats socialists, you know, and that's
what the party is in Colorado now. But that Phil
Wiser backs. I like him as a person, I've liked
to have him on the show, but he backs some
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truly wicked policies, and he enthusiastically backs them, and so
I will never quarrel with any texture he says. What
this one just did? Hey to stop Phil Wiser, I
would vote for Victor Marx. I think a person could
justify that morally, certainly get it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
For me, there are a couple of things, as I said,
need answers, and I need clarity on the abortion position.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I have no reason to doubt it. I'll get that,
but I need that, and.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Then I need more information on these various serious allegations
against him. Not looking for a perfect candidate, but these
aren't typical allegations. I have not at all judged him
guilty of these, but need more information and the times
here now times available to get it and I think
it's going to be very interesting to see how how
Victor in the campaign decide to approach those.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Concerns, if at all, love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Three O three seven one three eight two five five
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Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
And now back to the Dan Kapler Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Interesting text in a while? What do you make of
this second text or Dan? Regarding morality? Please stop trying
to guide our conscience regarding Victor Marx.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's a cheap shot. I'm trying to follow.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
This logic, so it's a cheap shot to be talking
about the approach I'm taking to deciding whether to vote
for Victor in this race, which which to me, starts
with my personal belief as Archbishop Shep Hugh says that
God will judge us.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
On how we vote.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So if you apply that standard, where does that lead
me in this race? And I've just kind of reviewed that,
so why would that be a cheap shot?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Listen, I completely respect it. If somebody wants to say
I don't consider morality and casting my votes, I don't
understand it. I'd love the chance to have the conversation
and find out, you know, what you do consider. But yeah,
I'm just laying out my approach to this. I would
have to believe that ninety to ninety nine percent of
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this audience centers their decision on how to vote around morality.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What what else would be the motivation to vote?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yeah, I think it's a large factor.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
And granted I didn't hear everything as I was cutting
up this grand platin or audio, but I don't think
you ever said this is how everyone needs to vote.
You were just talking through your own process. I think
the only way to me that text reads as it's
a cheap shot because I don't feel morally comfortable supporting Marks.
And if we're basing it on morality, now I feel like.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
The self conscious about that.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
That's how it reads to me, right, because it's not
a cheap shot, unless because you're not saying it's a
moral to vote for Victor Marx. You're saying you need
to interrogate the morality of it, right, And if that
feels like a cheap shot to someone, I think the
only way it could be interpreted that way is if
you yourself think it's a moral that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's that's really good thinking.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
There's that, and that's why I prefer calls over text,
because then we could ask that follow up question.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But No, in terms of I'm certainly not saying it's
immoral for somebody to vote for Victor Marks. In fact,
just be or the break. I praise the texter who
had said that. Here, I'll read it again, Dan, I'm
not necessarily voting for Victor Marx. I'm voting to stop
Phil Wiser from becoming governor. In order to do that,
I have to vote for Victor Marx. I praise that text.
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It's it's not the analysis I'm taking. I may end
up supporting Victor. I really want to support Victor. I
hope I'm able to. It's an interesting thought. But I
praise this text because I think that's a very moral
approach to it, because you're basing it then on the
immorality of the public policy positions of these Democrats, which
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go way beyond you know, kind of reasonable person disagreement.
Seese Democrats are supporting some profoundly wicked things, and so no,
I completely respect the morality behind that approach.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
Now, with that dilemma that you posed earlier, the swing vote,
with the premise basically, yeh. Would the moral solution be
if you don't feel comfortable with the morality of either
side one because of party one, maybe because of you know,
lying to Christians, or the aspects the claims that you
need to interrogate further that you've highlighted. Would the moral
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outcome then be writing in a name, voting for a
third party whatever, letting the tie go through, and forcing
a runoff vote where everyone's I guess, maybe forced to
pick between those two candidates and maybe you break the
tie that way, as opposed to directly putting your hand
on the lever or the trolley problem.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I think that's, you know, tremendous analysis, right, And what
zex talking about. I don't know if you've seen this
Kevin Costner movie Swing Vote. And again, the premise in
New Mexico is that the entire presidential comes down to
the state of New Mexico, which is going to be
decided by one vote that was lost in the ballot
processing center. So they give Kevin Costner the chance to
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essentially choose the president. So I was just asking, and
I know this may be overthinking it, but I like
to do that. I was just asking, is the analysis,
the moral analysis different if say you were the very
last vote, you got to decide individually whether the governor
was going to be Victor Marx or Phil Wiser, would
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it be a different moral analysis there. And that's where
Zach saying, which I think pretty darn brilliantly, he would
write somebody else in and just have a revote. But
I think Zach, the challenge with that is if you
had that power in your hand, and we all know
that's not going to happen in this race, right, I mean,
it's not going to come down to one vote. And
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I stand by my premise that you could have the
greatest candidates in GOP history, and we've had some really
great ones, and they would have a very hard time
winning the governor's race in this cycle under these circumstances.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But that aside from a.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Moral standpoint, if you were sitting there with the power
to actually prevent Phil Wiser and some of those truly
wicked policies from governing this date, I think there would
be an overwhelming moral imperative to stop that. No matter
what concerns you had with the GOP candidate, I think
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there would be a moral imperative to stop it if
it came down to that one vote.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
That's the trolley problem, you know, where you've got five
people on the on one track and like three people
on the other, and do you, you know, do nothing
and let it run over five people, which is a
worse outcome mathematically, or do you pull the lever, you know,
actively do something and you know, maybe I guess that positive.
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You're saving life, but you're also actively engaged. It's kind
of this big election picture is a very large scale
version of that with how you lay it out.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Think Zach, given the realities of this race where no
one individual is going to be deciding whether Phil Wiser
is stopped, I still think it just comes down to
that individual. More calculation for each voter. And I'm talking
about the voters who have concerns. Obviously, Victor Marx has
a large core of support, not large in the context
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of what you need to win statewide, but certainly enough
to win the primary. And I know some of those
people who are extremely moral, But I'm just talking about
the broader electorate who have expressed, and you've heard the
text and calls on this show, an awful lot of
concerns with the allegations against Victor, and I've just described
the process I'm going to go through to get more
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information and determine, just for myself, one guy, whether those
allegations are likely true or not. So it's going to
make it a fascinating, fascinating cycle. Well, we Kovac, we'll
get to call and text, but tell me this, and
what kind of race do you think he's going to run.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Is he going to campaign state wide trying to really
win the thing? Is there going to be a closer
to the vest approach? What would you recommend
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
But He's a little bit different.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
But they make me so happy because I just love
really interesting things. I love things that are unique we've
never seen before. You've really got to think hard about them,
you know, there's some new things to figure out.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It just for me, it's kind of a mental high.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Zach.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I don't know if you're that way, Zach Siegers behind
the glass, doing a great job, and it's just.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, And I don't drink much.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I have a kind of otherworldly ability to drink, but
I don't.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I drink very little. I don't do drugs.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I don't get those kind of highs, not judging anybody
who does.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But this just stuff like.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
This, it just kind of stimulates the brain and gives
me a kind of a mental buzz, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Variety is the spicy life.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well, yeah, and just these kind of really interesting, unique,
intellectually challenging things. And I'm talking obviously about what we
ended the show with yesterday as the news broke, which
is Victor Marx being the GOP nominee, and we just
had lines of jams who got that great first round
of callers and really fair, profound probing questions such as, Okay, Dan,
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are you going to endorse Victor Marx now? Because I
don't endorse in primaries with one exception years ago, and
fair question. But then it led to a really deep
discussion that I hope to continue today because I would
guess there are all sorts of people all over the
state who normally vote for the GOP nominee and are
going through that same thought process, and then there are
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all sorts of folks I go one nice fella I
ran into today in my office building who are just hey,
it's Victor all the way and you know, really cool,
smart guy, just you know, just didn't really couldn't see
any other path. And so it's just it's one of
those things that makes it so interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So look forward to that conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Really love to hear from you now that you've had
a little time to digest it, full time to digest it.
I want to talk about the reasons he won, because
I think there are some really important lessons in that
for GOP candidates going forward. The Marx campaign obviously did
a number of things brilliantly, you know, to be able
to win, and they came in with some advantages, the
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outsider with already a strong following from his other work outside,
but they came in with a lot of head wins
as different stories broke, and they obviously made the right
tactical calls to be able to win that close race
against a very very good candidate. I mean, Barbar Kirkmeyer
is a really accomplished, impressive person who's done well in
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every position she's held in government. And Scott Bottom's got
a lot of votes. So lessons to be learned from
the success of the Marx campaign. But then those other issues,
other issues. What advice would you give to the campaign?
And I know that seems like a trite question, but
when you start to drill down on it, it's the
opposite of tried.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What advice would you give to that campaign?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And that probably depends on how you view the campaign.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Right out of the blocks right three out.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Three eight seven one three eight two five five d
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have much more we're going to talk about today as well.
But to me that that and all these other topics
are important. But to me that's really so interesting to
work through intellectually and morally all of that. Because you
know that great question that came in at the end
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of the show of Okay, what are you going to
do now? You're going to support them? And my answer
was and is and remains and I think for really
bulletproof reasons. But if you see a flow on the reason,
you please, I'd love for you to point it out.
You could do that a couple of ways. The way
I really like best is for people to call three
h three seven one three eight two five five, But
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I know that puts me in the caveman camp, pay friend, Hey,
Barney House pebbles. Yeah, But most people text d An
five seven seven three nine. But my answer was as
it should be. First, I really want to support Victor.
I really want to be able to support the GOP nominee.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That's the starting point.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And part of that is is the Democrat candidate supports
so many truly wicked things. And I'm not saying that
Phil Wiser is an evil person or a wicked person
or anything like that, not at all. When I've had
him on the show, I've enjoyed him, but that doesn't
change the fact that he and this Democrat Socialist Party
in Colorado supports some.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Really wicked things.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And so you really want to be able to support
the GOP nominee, at least I do. And then the
next step is know I have for many many years
since we used to have we've had so many great
archbishops I'm Catholic archbishops in Colorado, including the current one,
Archbishop Goco. One of those great archbishops Charles Shephew, and
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he changed my whole worldview once when he was under
fire from Ken Salazar and other prominent people in the
Democratic Party for a piece he'd written. And Archbishop Shephew
is not partisan in any way, but he did say
very clearly God will judge you on how you vote,
you know, And so I've really taken that to art
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and I try to cast each vote understanding I will
be judged by God on how I use this great
gift of political power I've been given. And I know
most of us you're probably the same way. Don't view
the vote as like any big great political power, but
when you start to think about it in the context
of the rest of the world and human history, it
really is and I think it carries that powerful moral requirement.
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So so I take that very seriously and I apply
that to this governor's race. And so the starting point
for me then is, Okay, where does Victor stand done.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Life on the pro life issue?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And I just I just need some clarity that he's
truly pro life, because you know, you get a lot
of people who say, and I'm not saying this is Victor,
but you get a lot of people say, oh, I'm
pro life, but uh, but but not in politics. So
that's like saying, yeah, I don't think people should have slaves,
but I don't want I don't want to impose my
attitudes on them. No, No, I want to know if
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he's truly pro life. And and then also I have
no reason to doubt he is. I just want to
know that. I want that confirmed.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And then.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And then I just need personally, just one guy. I
just need to get some clarity and some comfort on
these different allegations. And so it's not as if I'll
never a candidate who's made some mistakes or is flawed
or has said some things that aren't true, because every
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candidate from both parties to ever run has had those issues.
All of us are flawed, right, all of us have
made mistakes. That's never Perfection is never my standard. This
race is really different than anything I've seen before in
the sense the nature of the allegations against Victor and
allegations brought by a lot of people I really respect.
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You know, they're very, very serious, and they're the kind
of allegations that if true, and I have not concluded
they are obviously or there'd be nothing to think about,
but these kind of allegations that he has lied to
Christians to get their money. If those allegations were true,
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then in my mind, yeah, that would be a disqualifier.
And then you get to and I'm not concluding they're true.
I'm just hoping in the course of this general election,
when there's more time and he's going to be out
there presumably campaign more broadly, that we'll get more information
on that be in a better position to just kind
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of draw a conclusion I'm comfortable with on that. And
then that goes to the really interesting question raised by
a great caller yesterday who wanted me to just declare
for Victor. Now of wait a second, Danielle. All candidates
have flaws. But this brings me back to this really
interesting question, right, and I'll leave it at this before
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we hit this break, and then we'll go to the
phones and the text. But I've been asking myself as
I try to work through this, because what I always
try to do, and I'm sure you do too with
things important to you, is I try to just just
be completely brutally honest with myself and just ask clean slate. Okay,
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you know, Dan that if you conclude that these allegations
are true, that you would not be comfortable voting for
somebody who had done those things if true.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
But what if you were the very last vote?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Did you ever see zech Did you ever see that
movie with Kevin Costner's swing vote. No, I sat down
in New Mexico swing state presidential His ballot had been
lost and not counted. It had fallen behind a box
at the polling station, and so the court I think
it was, if I remember the movie, had ruled that
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he would have the chance to recast his ballot and
the state of New Mexico would decide the election. It
came down to his ballot. So that's the premise of
swing state.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That's a fun premise.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, and then you got both presidential candidates, including the
sitting president flying and so I asked myself that question, Also,
is it a different analysis?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Say, on the one hand, you're.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Sitting here going okay, if those allegations are true, then yeah,
you couldn't vote for a person if the person had
done those things.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But what if you were the very last to vote.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And whether Phil Wiser became governor or not dependent on
your vote?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Would that change the analysis?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So anyway, I'm just I'm just telling you the process
I'm going through. And I'm not saying anybody cares about
any of this other than me. Believe me, I'm not
that presumptuous. I'm just fascinated by this situation we find
ourselves in as a party in a state right now.
And then that ties into the other question of what
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advice would you give to the Marx campaign, Because as
long as the odds are and I don't care, we
could have the greatest candidates for governor we've ever had
in the history of this date and they'd be facing very,
very long odds.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
You never want to flat give up. What's the best strategy.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
What's the best strategy for the Marx campaign if they
want to have their best chance to win the general.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Now back to the Dan Kapler Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That's my kind of man. Iver.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Get tired of that Elizabeth Warren talking about crim Plattner,
who still has not withdrawn from that race, has exact
Let's uh, let's go to the lines thereon Fuego. Want
to get to our great Texters as well. Obviously everybody
talking about Victor Marx winning that GOP primary. Let's start
with Leonard in Beautiful Pueblo, Colorado.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You're on the Dan Capla show. Welcome Leonard.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
H When I woulded a general uh.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Primary, I.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Chipped over the those candidates, not.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
On purpose, but yet on purpose because I couldn't even
making my mind. So whoever, whoever's the best generous, which
which is?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Which is Victor Mark?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I just wish the other two candidates with get with
him and talk to him, whether they said they won't
won't do this, won't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Leonard, Thank you for that. What a great way to
start the calls today.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, The question of whether Barb Kirkmeyer is going to
endorse Victor, she said during the race she would not
if he won, may have been answered yesterday when she
issued her statement regarding the race, thanking everybody for the
supported center and ended it by saying, and I haven't
killed anybody, So that may be a hint that we
will not be seeing an endorsement Scott. I hear just
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got out of the hospital. Prayers for Scott Bottoms. Sounds
like he had some, if I understood the story, writes
some severe diabetic reactions.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So as soon as he's.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Up to it, and we even know, we'll get both
on and find out what their intention is there. Leonard
is pulling for an endorsement, for everybody to come together.
Let's go to Falcon, Colorado. Troy, you're on the dan
Kaplis show.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Welcome Hey them. Yeah, Victor Martz, he's a very charismatic caricature.
But I believe he's a Manchurian candidate, that he's a
puppet that the Democratic, the Colorado Democratic Colorado Democratic Party
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is put in place.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Boy, I don't think that's at all, Troy. What makes
you believe that?
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Well? I believe that the leffling and affiliates voted him
into uh set him up to you know, be defeated.
If you notice, as soon as it was announced.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
All of Kyle Mark or Kyle Clark's uh clips.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
From his interview and the comedian show that you know,
they've they've lit him up.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, yeah, and try appreciate the call on that.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I don't think that's the case at all, Starting with
the fact that it looks like almost nobody voted in
the GOP primary, right, let me pull up those numbers.
Certainly not a bunch of un affiliateds, my goodness. I'll
pull up the numbers from twenty twenty two, which was
the last off yere yea a GOP primary for governor,
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and compare them to this year. And just see, let's
go back to twenty twenty two, for example, because I
think Victor one with maybe two hundred and six thousand
and change votes, he was maybe about twenty five hundred
ahead a barb well, my goodness, in in twenty twenty two.
Keeping in mind, Victor one with two hundred and six
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and change. Greg Lopez, who lost that race in twenty
twenty two, got way more than that. Greg Lopez got
two hundred and ninety two thousand in twenty twenty two.
Heidi Ganal, who won the GOP primary, got three hundred
and forty one thousand votes in twenty twenty two. So
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you know, that's one hundred and thirty five thousand more
than Victor got in winning in this cycle. My only
point is it doesn't diminish his victory at all. The
point is that the unaffiliateds voted overwhelmingly in the Democrat
race between Wiser and Bennett, and then in twenty twenty
two you saw more unaffiliateds in the Republican race because
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that's where the action was, because Polis was a sitting governor.
So yeah, I think unaffiliateds went into the dem race.
I think the Marx campaign very smartly realized that's what
was going to happen, focused on their base, their core supporters,
and it was enough to get them over the line.
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Speaker 2 (15:38):
Let's get to our great texters today.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
We've got plenty of those coming in, you know, and
I want to take on one category of texts that
we've got so many of right now, and I'll get
to the individual text because they deserve it. People work
hard on these texts and have good thoughts, but we've
got a whole bunch of texts that essentially say, hey,
I'm not going to support Victor Marx. This idea that
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I have to support my party's nominee is nonsense, etc.
And all I would say to that is I get it.
I mean, I want to support Victor Marx, but I'm
not all the way there yet. For the reasons I said,
I need this other information I've asked for. But all
I would ask is that people who normally vote Republican
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that they just be willing to keep an open mind
and to take into account whatever new information comes up
during this campaign, because at the end of the day,
one thing we know for sure is the GOP candidate,
whoever he or she is, has no chance to win
whatsoever unless there's an overall unified Republican party just just
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working the math. And so I just hope that people
keep an open mind, no matter how strong their current
conclusion is.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In this case, those who say they.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Can never vote for Victor Mark, believe me, I get
why you have arrived there. But all I'm saying is
I hope it's going to be a long haul right
between now November. I just hope you keep an open
mind and let's see what comes out. And to me,
that's going to be one of the most interesting things
to happen in this campaign is what kind of a
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campaign does Victor run. Obviously made the right choices in
the primary to win, but will we see Victor mount
a really aggressive statewide campaign trying to win, or will
we see a completely different strategy of not doing much,
not going out much behind the base, issuing some videos
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and just letting it roll that way.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
So, all I'm saying is if Victor Marx comes out
and he's taken all these issues head on that concerns
so many people. All I'm saying is keep your mind
open to the possibility that there may be some new
information in there that changes the way.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You look at it. That's all I'm saying. But I'll
come back and we'll get into specific text, We'll go
to the phone lines as well.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
We'll start up in beautiful northern Colorado with Chris and
then just can't wait to get your take. We have
never think about it, how long Colorado's been around, We've
never seen anything like this before. How's it gonna roll out?
What kind of campaign is Victor gonna run? What are
you gonna do? How's it going to affect the other
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candidates up and down the ballot? How's it going to
affect the future of the GOP in Colorado? Three or
three seven three eight two five five an five seven
seven three nine.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You're on the Dan Capitla Show.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Had Yeah, we've We've had a nice firm, a whole
chunk of money, and I've got some stuff back. Some
of what you've seen on the news. We got that
other stuff We didn't.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Did the vetting process turn up the tattoo that became
so controversial here?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
No, the reddit posts did that turn up in the
vetting process. The firm sent.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Us a thing and it has some of.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
The pss, but it did have all of them.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
I said, none of this well, or should stop him
from becoming a center.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
He got to google up that video over the weekend.
You've seen it, right, Zach of You can't stop giggling that, right.
These two knuckleheads who advanced the Graham Plattner candidacy that
you know has so fabulously blown up on the Democrats.
So and Zach you with the correction, my friend, he
is officially out at this point, right.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
He is?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
He is?
Speaker 8 (19:51):
There's he released a very interesting video yesterday that I'll
get us some sound from. But his it's maybe the
weirdest out or concession or anything of that genre I've
ever seen from a political candidate.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, and obviously be on the front of just watching
the Democrats exposed.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's what they're exposed on.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And I really hope it's starting to sink in the
Democrat disrespect for women and that the true Democrat war
on women. I mean, they were lining up to support
this guy, Elizabeth Warren. He's my kind of man.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I said to myself, that's my kind.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Of man, no matter how many women he had abused,
right as long as they thought he could win. Yeah,
and I hope more people are starting to see the
Democrats for what they really are.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Chris in Northern Colorado. You're on the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Welcome, Hey, Dan. Sorry for claring his throat there you play.
It was born. I threw up in my mouth and
I can't try to clear it all out before you.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'm sorry. To hear that should we send help.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
No, Hey, listen, I I just want to I'm just
gonna make a prediction here. Work in the political space.
Everybody should be focusing on all the lower races and
forget this government race because Lopez qualified and now that's
going to split the vote even further. There is zero
(21:16):
chance that Victor Marx wins. I don't care how much
money he raises.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Do you think Chris being in the political space as
you say, let's say you took the strongest candidates we've
ever had in the modern GOP, and I would say
Bill Owens krey Gardner for example. You know I've had
Hank Brown, Bill Armstrong. Do you think any of our
strongest candidates could win the governor's race in this cycle
(21:45):
in Colorado?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Man, that's a tough That's a tough one. I think
it would be really hard. I mean, you know, unfortunately
the left has done a better job branding who the
right is or who they say we are. Then then
the right has done in branding themselves. Ye when you
(22:13):
boil it down and you got Greg Lopez in there,
I mean you said it. How many votes did he
get when he was racing in the primary, racing against Heidi.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, he's going to lotch. He's a popular cat.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
In twenty twenty two, Greg got two hundred and ninety
two thousand, which is about eighty five thousand more than
the Winter got in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, if he pulls anywhere between three and five percent, yeah,
Victor's done. And I guarantee he's going to pull that much.
So I just hearing all the discussion. I have just
been harping and harping and harping that everybody needs to
focus on the state House, the House and Senate seats
(22:55):
in Colorado, because if we don't protect if they gain
an their seat, it doesn't matter who the who the
governor is.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, and what do you say, what do you say
to those who say that the Marks candidacy is going
to hurt people in all of those other state races?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I don't know. My My my specialty that has
developed in the political spaces is get out the vote.
And so that's a question that I'm constantly pondering because
I think every I think every candidate needs to distance
themselves from him because you know, when he came out
(23:42):
early on he put out a post not too long
into his candidacy about how brutal the Republicans were, and
I replied back and said, wait till the Dems get
a hold of you.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, you know, but let me ask you, Chris. This
idea is of GOP candidates distancing themselves from Victor. Victor
obvious he has a very devoted core group of supporters
and it's not a small group. It was enough to
win the GOP primary. And I know some of those
people and they're very impressive. I respect them a lot.
(24:12):
So if it's going to be tricky for GOP candidates
because if they do a clear distancing, they're going to
be burning off a chunk of very loyal people.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, I don't know what the recipe is for success
on our side at this point, and I hate to
say that.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
And that's where what I bring it down to, Chris
is the way I started the show, and that is
everybody does their own analysis, right, but I assume a
lot of people are like me.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
For me, it's I view.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
My vote as a moral thing, and I believe in
the end God is going to judge all of us
in part on how we used our votes, and so
I have to approach it that way, and I'm sure
a lot of other people do as well, and there's
a lot that can factor into it. But I think
you're gonna have a lot of voters who are just
used to supporting the GOP nominee. If they have questions
(25:04):
about Victor, I think they're going to come back to
that analysis.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, you know. And it's interesting because I have a
bit of interaction with higher level donors and none of
them had good things to say about him.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
When I say none of them, like like none of them.
So it's a question again, if people want to vote
for Victor, go vote for Victor. What I'm saying is
as far as energy, money, help, volunteering, that kind of thing,
if you really truly understand where we are as a
party in this state, you'll get behind those those House
(25:45):
districts and Senate district candidates. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And I'd extend that one one step and me personally,
my first dollars in this cycle are going to the
Protect Kids Colorado ballot measures and to Michael Allen in
the A Jeez race. That's not to disrespect anybody else
in any other race. And I'm sure I'll contribute to
some other races, but I think those are our best
(26:10):
chance to win, at least to win with statewide impact.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think those could definitely
help help bring in up ballot or down ballot votes.
But you know, again, you know the conversation being Marx
and can he do it with with Greg Lopez? If
(26:37):
Greg Lopez wasn't in it, I would say it could
be a crapshoot. But I but I just don't see
there's no path for victory when when you're going to
split the vote on the Republican side where turnout is
already already low as it is.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, Chris, appreciate the call.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Man, hope you call off, and thank you for that
getting us some textures to d A N five seven,
seven through nine.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Dan, My mind is always open, but.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
My objection to Marx is the character he has shown
throughout the campaign. This Sebra stripes are already well defined,
Texter Dan, I'm not necessarily voting for Victor Marx. I'm
voting to stop Phil Wiser from becoming governor. In order
to do that, I have to vote for Victor Marx.
I understand that logic, and I would not try to
argue with anybody who takes that position, because that position
(27:23):
is very well grounded morally, in my humble opinion, because
you look at the wickedness I mean the outright wickedness
that all of these Democrats socialists, you know, and that's
what the party is in Colorado now. But that Phil
Wiser backs. I like him as a person, I've liked
to have him on the show, but he backs some
(27:44):
truly wicked policies, and he enthusiastically backs them, and so
I will never quarrel with any texture he says. What
this one just did? Hey to stop Phil Wiser, I
would vote for Victor Marx. I think a person could
justify that morally, certainly get it.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
For me, there are a couple of things, as I said,
need answers, and I need clarity on the abortion position.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I have no reason to doubt it. I'll get that,
but I need that, and.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Then I need more information on these various serious allegations
against him. Not looking for a perfect candidate, but these
aren't typical allegations. I have not at all judged him
guilty of these, but need more information and the times
here now times available to get it and I think
it's going to be very interesting to see how how
Victor in the campaign decide to approach those.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Concerns, if at all, love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Three O three seven one three eight two five five
d an five seven seven three nine You're on the
Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
And now back to the Dan Kapler Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Interesting text in a while? What do you make of
this second text or Dan? Regarding morality? Please stop trying
to guide our conscience regarding Victor Marx.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's a cheap shot. I'm trying to follow.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
This logic, so it's a cheap shot to be talking
about the approach I'm taking to deciding whether to vote
for Victor in this race, which which to me, starts
with my personal belief as Archbishop Shep Hugh says that
God will judge us.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
On how we vote.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So if you apply that standard, where does that lead
me in this race? And I've just kind of reviewed that,
so why would that be a cheap shot?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Listen, I completely respect it. If somebody wants to say
I don't consider morality and casting my votes, I don't
understand it. I'd love the chance to have the conversation
and find out, you know, what you do consider. But yeah,
I'm just laying out my approach to this. I would
have to believe that ninety to ninety nine percent of
(29:52):
this audience centers their decision on how to vote around morality.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What what else would be the motivation to vote?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Yeah, I think it's a large factor.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
And granted I didn't hear everything as I was cutting
up this grand platin or audio, but I don't think
you ever said this is how everyone needs to vote.
You were just talking through your own process. I think
the only way to me that text reads as it's
a cheap shot because I don't feel morally comfortable supporting Marks.
And if we're basing it on morality, now I feel like.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
The self conscious about that.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
That's how it reads to me, right, because it's not
a cheap shot, unless because you're not saying it's a
moral to vote for Victor Marx. You're saying you need
to interrogate the morality of it, right, And if that
feels like a cheap shot to someone, I think the
only way it could be interpreted that way is if
you yourself think it's a moral that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's that's really good thinking.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
There's that, and that's why I prefer calls over text,
because then we could ask that follow up question.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But No, in terms of I'm certainly not saying it's
immoral for somebody to vote for Victor Marks. In fact,
just be or the break. I praise the texter who
had said that. Here, I'll read it again, Dan, I'm
not necessarily voting for Victor Marx. I'm voting to stop
Phil Wiser from becoming governor. In order to do that,
I have to vote for Victor Marx. I praise that text.
(31:15):
It's it's not the analysis I'm taking. I may end
up supporting Victor. I really want to support Victor. I
hope I'm able to. It's an interesting thought. But I
praise this text because I think that's a very moral
approach to it, because you're basing it then on the
immorality of the public policy positions of these Democrats, which
(31:35):
go way beyond you know, kind of reasonable person disagreement.
Seese Democrats are supporting some profoundly wicked things, and so no,
I completely respect the morality behind that approach.
Speaker 8 (31:49):
Now, with that dilemma that you posed earlier, the swing vote,
with the premise basically, yeh. Would the moral solution be
if you don't feel comfortable with the morality of either
side one because of party one, maybe because of you know,
lying to Christians, or the aspects the claims that you
need to interrogate further that you've highlighted. Would the moral
(32:10):
outcome then be writing in a name, voting for a
third party whatever, letting the tie go through, and forcing
a runoff vote where everyone's I guess, maybe forced to
pick between those two candidates and maybe you break the
tie that way, as opposed to directly putting your hand
on the lever or the trolley problem.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I think that's, you know, tremendous analysis, right, And what
zex talking about. I don't know if you've seen this
Kevin Costner movie Swing Vote. And again, the premise in
New Mexico is that the entire presidential comes down to
the state of New Mexico, which is going to be
decided by one vote that was lost in the ballot
processing center. So they give Kevin Costner the chance to
(32:52):
essentially choose the president. So I was just asking, and
I know this may be overthinking it, but I like
to do that. I was just asking, is the analysis,
the moral analysis different if say you were the very
last vote, you got to decide individually whether the governor
was going to be Victor Marx or Phil Wiser, would
(33:13):
it be a different moral analysis there. And that's where
Zach saying, which I think pretty darn brilliantly, he would
write somebody else in and just have a revote. But
I think Zach, the challenge with that is if you
had that power in your hand, and we all know
that's not going to happen in this race, right, I mean,
it's not going to come down to one vote. And
(33:33):
I stand by my premise that you could have the
greatest candidates in GOP history, and we've had some really
great ones, and they would have a very hard time
winning the governor's race in this cycle under these circumstances.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But that aside from a.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Moral standpoint, if you were sitting there with the power
to actually prevent Phil Wiser and some of those truly
wicked policies from governing this date, I think there would
be an overwhelming moral imperative to stop that. No matter
what concerns you had with the GOP candidate, I think
(34:10):
there would be a moral imperative to stop it if
it came down to that one vote.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
That's the trolley problem, you know, where you've got five
people on the on one track and like three people
on the other, and do you, you know, do nothing
and let it run over five people, which is a
worse outcome mathematically, or do you pull the lever, you know,
actively do something and you know, maybe I guess that positive.
(34:37):
You're saving life, but you're also actively engaged. It's kind
of this big election picture is a very large scale
version of that with how you lay it out.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Think Zach, given the realities of this race where no
one individual is going to be deciding whether Phil Wiser
is stopped, I still think it just comes down to
that individual. More calculation for each voter. And I'm talking
about the voters who have concerns. Obviously, Victor Marx has
a large core of support, not large in the context
(35:09):
of what you need to win statewide, but certainly enough
to win the primary. And I know some of those
people who are extremely moral, But I'm just talking about
the broader electorate who have expressed, and you've heard the
text and calls on this show, an awful lot of
concerns with the allegations against Victor, and I've just described
the process I'm going to go through to get more
(35:31):
information and determine, just for myself, one guy, whether those
allegations are likely true or not. So it's going to
make it a fascinating, fascinating cycle. Well, we Kovac, we'll
get to call and text, but tell me this, and
what kind of race do you think he's going to run.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Is he going to campaign state wide trying to really
win the thing? Is there going to be a closer
to the vest approach? What would you recommend
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