The Troubleshooter 05-18-26

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Y'all ripped up.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
News you needed by who you.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Don't have, come running just as fast as you can.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Shoot's gonna help come Man.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Dix is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martine, Hey, Hey, Hey,
I'm Tom. What's going on? This is what is it like?

Speaker 5 (00:30):
Forty five years strong, the same show, the same host,
currently on the air. We got a major Mark Majors
off today and uh, Major Mark and Major sus they're
off and we have a special guest today and then
I just want to talk to you about your life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You know, honestly got

(00:51):
it feels like I was thinking today, Tom, what are
you doing? You goetna, get up, You're gonna go do
your show and talk to friends. That's what it's like
every day to me. It's just as I'm talking to friends.
You've become friends of mine over the last forty five years.
And again, I've been doing this for more than a
little more than fifty. When I came here, I had

(01:12):
already had I think about six years under my belt anyway.
So what we're doing is solving problems every day. One
thing I did notice that we solve problems even when
people don't call in so they just have a question
and they hear it on the show and it helps.
So what I'm going to ask you to do is,

(01:32):
even if you wrote to us and emailed us, a
lot of people text us, I'll give out all the
numbers for you to call us. Okay, First, I want
to tell you about one of my favorite people, Paul
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they do the best water systems at the lowest prices.
Drinking water at the kitchen sink a reverse osmosis eleven

(01:57):
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and that has reverse osmosis water coming right out of
your kitchen faucet. Water nowadays, folks, it's a given you
need to do something with your water. You know, I'm
a bugaboo about health now that well, I've always been

(02:18):
a bugaboo about health, but especially what I put into
my body. There's so much crap in water. So if
you're watching what you eat and you're taking supplements and
you're exercising, water means so much so contact water pros
even whole house systems only around six grand. You'll never
find better prices three oh three eight six two five,

(02:40):
five five four. So what's on your mind today? We're
gonna talk a little HVAC. It's a little there's it's
a little cold today. It's funny. This season has gotten
people going crazy. This is Shane Terry. I've literally known
Shane since he was a little kid. Really, Shane, you
are just telling me like you grew up. You grew

(03:01):
up with your dad. You know, he started this business
Todd many years ago, Appleair dot com and they do
heating and air and they do some plumbing and their
Apple Air within Eappleair dot com. Shane, you grew up
in the business. I mean when did you? When did
you start? Really? How old were you right out of

(03:22):
high school or what?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, right out of high school? I started when I
was sixteen years old.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Now listen, I want to just talk about this. Did
you consider college and doing it that way? I'm not
saying what you did is wrong. In fact, more and
more people should consider the trades. It's one of trades
are some of the few things that are going to
be around with AI AI is putting a lot of
people out of work. What about did you consider college
and doing other professions or careers before you did it?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
You know, I did. I considered college, I considered the military.
My passion was ranching. I wanted to go be a rancher,
didn't you.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Don't you guys have you had some horses and lived
kind of on a mini ranch anyway, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah? We sure did. My dad still has that place
and yeah, yeah, yeah, So what kind of ranching that
would have been? Cattle ranching that I was?

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Really, man, that must be a freaking tough time to
make make a living doing that. So you're just going
to slip right in. You and your brother just take
over the family business.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Really yeah?

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, because your brother's doing.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It too, right, he's doing it. He actually went out
and he started a branch of Apple are in Alabama.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, anyway, so we're going to have a special I'll
tell you about coming up with them. It's it's a
clean tune check of three systems for one price. It's furnace,
AC and water heater, the regular tank water heater. I
want to talk about these services. People say, Tom, why

(04:48):
do people do screaming? Deals like this. By the way,
this one is seventy nine to ninety nine for all three.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
That means they'll go through and clean your entire furnace,
check it, in, tune it, they'll do your AC and
they'll also do the water heater. I'll tell you why
people do it. They don't make money on the price
that I mean. It's to keep it honest.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Right.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
They do charge something, but it doesn't really cover their
time and expense. What they want to do is introduce
themselves to and this is the best way companies can
do it. So if you have a company, by the way,
and you're listening, and many many I have many business
owners that listen to this show. I always advise on
specials like this because they you get to know homeowners,

(05:31):
you get to know people. But I want to ask something.
And by the way, our number is three oh three Martino.
Now I give that number out because that's the number
you can call twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week, and if you leave a message, we'll get
back to you, so you never have to wait on hold,
or when we are on the air'll come right through
to us. Three oh three Martino, three three six two

(05:55):
seven eight four sixty six. You can also call the
iheartline three oh three seven one three talk three h
three seven one three eight two five five. So I
want to talk a little bit about the water heaters
for a second. When when you do a water heater service,
what's involved in a water heater for a water tank,

(06:17):
what's involved sheing? I mean, so many people talk about
water heaters and a lot of people never touch their
water heater ever. But what do you do? Do you
flush it?

Speaker 1 (06:28):
We do a flush on it, we do a flu inspection,
gas inspection. We're checking the burner making sure everything is
fluing properly, no gas leaks. The biggest thing that's that
we run into is not enough fresh air in the
mechanical room, not enough flu rise on the flu on
these tank water heaters, so we get a lot of back.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
Okay, now, with a water heater. I remember learning about
what's called a sacrificial anode years and years ago, and
for those listening, a sacrificial anode is a rod and
they call it sacrificial. I'm gonna make this, I'm gonna
dumb this down. This is a really cool thing to

(07:08):
know if you have a water heater because you can
literally keep that water heater almost indefinitely if you service
it properly. Okay, what an anode is is it's a
rod that goes like down the middle of the tank.
If you look at a water heater, or anytime you
have water in a tank, the water attacks the tank.

(07:34):
The reason it does that is because of the electrons
flowing and the water turns in in a tank turns
into a battery. Okay, it's generating many voltage by interacting
with the tank. I'm dumbing this down. Okay, So if
your real technical mind, did you say, Tom, you're not
explaining that right. It is an electro electron circulation between

(07:59):
the tank and water, and it eats away the tank
little by little, or there's any If it's a glass
lined tank, it'll eat away at whatever metal there is
and it will eventually go through that glass. But anyway,
the whole idea is it eats away at the tank
and eventually the tank fails. Now, as I said, to

(08:20):
extend the life of these tanks, they've done a lot
of things. Are most tanks glass lined right now? Are
they are they coated inside?

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Who they are? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (08:28):
And then'rific why so the sacrificial anode is still needed
even though you have a tank that's lined. Yes, it is, okay. Now,
so what the water does is it's the anode sacrifices itself,
so it rots away instead of your tank because electrons
will take the path of least resistance. So if there's

(08:52):
a rod sitting right there in the middle of the water,
that will rot away instead of the tank or instead
of other metal components. And when that rots away, and
then it starts eating away at the system. So the
idea is to every now and then, and I mean
probably three to five years, five to ten years, I
don't know how long. When should you consider replacing the anode.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, it's going to depend on the municipalities.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
And the water because the worst the hardness of the
water affects.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
That right, absolutely, absolutely so.

Speaker 5 (09:26):
But in any case, the anode sacrifices itself. If you
keep flushing these every so many years and replacing that
anode ever so many years, won't that tank last and last?
I mean really, what is there to wear out?

Speaker 7 (09:41):
You know?

Speaker 1 (09:41):
At that point, there's not a lot to wear out.
It's your you're a sacrificial anode rod. Yeah, I mean
doing that every three to five years.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
I'll bet you. I'll bet you, and I'm not saying
you should, because new efficient models come out all the time.
You can actually save money. But i'll bet you you
could theore medically keep a tank easily fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
Anyway, So this special for the furnace, AC and water heater.
They want the system to be at least twelve years
old or older, and that'll be seventy nine ninety nine.
They'll go through your complete furnace, your AC, and your
water heater, which is a flush and service. They won't
replace the anode unless it needs and that's extra. But

(10:28):
it's seventy nine ninety nine to do the flush and
tune and check of all of that. Let's go to
Jerry now he wants to talk about key Bank. Hi, Jerry,
I'm Tom Martine. A pleasure to be with you. What's
going on, Jerry?

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Hi, I'm going through a living hell for the last
Why six months?

Speaker 5 (10:46):
What happened? I?

Speaker 6 (10:48):
Well, in short, I bought a part from my vehicle
in December? What kind of party?

Speaker 5 (11:01):
What did you buy?

Speaker 6 (11:03):
I bought a heater control assembly for a two thousand
and one Kia Optima goes into dashboard.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Okay, So what happened?

Speaker 6 (11:16):
Well, it was shipped to me. The seller is TCP,
and I bought it through eBay. The part is in
no way compatible with my vehicle, despite the advertisement saying
that it will absolutely fit my car.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Okay. But usually usually on eBay, Jerry, Usually on eBay people,
you know, they they usually will take things back, right,
they want to keep a good rating. Will this guy
take it back?

Speaker 6 (11:51):
I can't reach TCP. Every time I try to call eBay,
I get a recording.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Saying now you can't call them, but can't you do it?
But but isn't there a way to email TCP the
seller and simply ask for a refund.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
They would not even respond to me when I asked
for detailed and including the full part number of the
part they were selling. They absolutely ignored the email.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
All right, but you bought You bought it based on
what was written on the website, right, correct? Okay?

Speaker 6 (12:30):
And is it is the evidence?

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Okay? Here's what I want to know though, Jerry. Is
it the wrong part number or did they have the
part number but it just doesn't fit?

Speaker 6 (12:43):
Okay? The part number is correct, with the exception of
the last three digits, which they intentionally xed out.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Okay, all right, hold on, Jerry, hold on, let me
come up with a plan here, okay, and Real Quick
wants to talk about the city of Evans. Jason wants
to talk about an HVAC contractor. I'll take all of
your calls coming up on the Troubleshooter show. So stick around.
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to list your home with Remax Alliance three oh three
nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Hi, I'm Tom Martino
and I got Shane Terry with me from Appleair. We're
talking HVAC A little by the way, Deputy bow is

(14:01):
gonna get on the line with you. He is really
experienced with eBay, and he's got a few things he'd
like you to try first. But Bo, yes, Deputy Bow,
when you pay on eBay, though, can't you dispute it
on your credit card? If you have to, you can.

Speaker 8 (14:18):
When was the purchase made?

Speaker 5 (14:20):
Well, I don't know. We'll get into that off the air.
You can, and if you can do it while we're
on the air, just let us know what's going on.
Because he said he's tried everything. I understood that eBay
is really strict on sellers and they want only good
sellers on there, and it was one of the few
We hardly get complaints about eBay. But anyway, Harry, hang
on and Deputy Bow will talk to you and then

(14:43):
Bo tell me what he did not do or what
you think you can do for him. Right now, Jason
has an HVAC contractor problem. H Oh, that's our topic today, Jason.
What's going on? Man? What's happened?

Speaker 6 (14:58):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (14:58):
So back in twenty twenty three, I purchased a home
up in Falcon, Colorado, Okay, and uh we had a
brand new build, brand new build. And months into the
months into living in this house, I had to I
had to get a you know, It was September and
we noticed we weren't getting any heat in our house

(15:20):
at all, so we had we called up in an
air conditioning company and it turns out we had to
get our ducks sealed, so we paid forty one to
get our Wait.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
A minute, Wait a minute, Jason, let me let me
ask you something seriously. Are you telling me that it
was the AC that didn't work or the heat?

Speaker 9 (15:40):
It's all of it actually, Okay, But what.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
I'm saying to you is what I'm saying is I
doubt that sealing the ducks would cause that much trouble. Now,
I know it would be more efficient, I'll ask Shane, Shane,
I know systems are more efficient, and a lot of
people don't bother ducks, But that wouldn't be a no
heat situation, would it.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Well, it is code new code that all the ducks
have to be sealed on a new built home.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Okay, yeah, well yes, in twenty three, would would the
code be back to twenty three?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Absolutely, all right, Jason? How bad was it like? Are
you saying the house never got warm or never got cool?

Speaker 9 (16:24):
It never got warm or cool?

Speaker 10 (16:25):
Nope?

Speaker 5 (16:26):
Okay, So what happened anyway? That is that a lot
of money forty one hundred bucks to seal? What size
is the house?

Speaker 9 (16:34):
The house is a thirty one hundred square foot home. Okay,
it turns out like the very next year we find
out that they put an AC system, like the entire system,
the heat and air, the heat and AC are too
small for my house. They put a like a two
and a half to a three ton in my home
when my home actually called you like a four to

(16:54):
five tons?

Speaker 5 (16:56):
And uh, I told you who told you that you're home?
But who told you your home needs a four or
five ton? Uh?

Speaker 9 (17:06):
That was one source, and one source went ahead and
replace the entire thing. The guy the guy is actually
like they came in, they pour it all out and
replaced it.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
And Jason, if your house was new in twenty twenty three,
you didn't need to replace your whole system. I mean,
there's something going on. Are you sure you weren't sold
a package of goods? Here? You're saying one source? Okay,
did the builder help you? What would you if your
house if you had this done last year, your house

(17:40):
was only a couple of years old. What did you
say to the builder if you had to spend all
that money, I'd be pissed off. Did you ask the
builder to help?

Speaker 9 (17:49):
Oh? We we were pissed off. So the story goes,
I I the foreman for my house because it was
a brand new build. The foreman told us not to
call the builder. They the foreman told us to call him.
So my wife and I were like, okay, well, you know,
we'll just go straight to the you know, straight to

(18:09):
the straight.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
To the source.

Speaker 9 (18:11):
Right, So we went ahead and just started calling the foreman. Well,
the foreman, you know, whenever we had issues, foreman stopped
answering us and uh. And then after the ac needed replace,
I started calling Uh. I started calling the Century Homes.
That's who I'm going through, Sentry Homes and and they

(18:32):
sent some guys out and I'm still waiting on a
reply for them.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
And where is your old system? Where's your old system? Jason?

Speaker 11 (18:42):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (18:42):
It got it got taken by one source, and yeah
it was Jason.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
I'm not listen, man, what do you want right now?
You already replaced your entire system. And I'm going to
go on the record here that I don't think you
probably needed a whole new system. Okay, I'm just how
much did you spend on this new system.

Speaker 9 (19:04):
This new system, I am twenty two thousand dollars down and.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
What kind of system is it? Well, bro, I don't
know if you needed it. I'm going to tell you that.
How do you know one source isn't cheating you? I'm
asking the truth. How do you know they're not cheating you.

Speaker 9 (19:26):
I've got a history with him, I've used them before.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
Well what does that mean? I'm not saying they are
cheating you, But I'm telling you this on a house
that's only a couple years old. You should have talked
to the builder. I would have What did you think?
Did you think I just need to know straight up?
Did you think you were going to replace the system
and the builder was going to give you money back?
Or what was going on in your head? If I

(19:51):
was going to spend twenty two thousand dollars on a
brand new system and I just moved into the house
would be what? Why would you do that without talking
to the builder first?

Speaker 9 (20:07):
Because it was winner and I needed it replaced.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Like, but but what you know you didn't need it replaced.
You're you're telling me that that system in there, what
size do you have?

Speaker 10 (20:17):
Now?

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I've got A four ten, Jason, did they do a
load calculation on manual? J Manuel as any of that
on the new build or even the replacement system.

Speaker 9 (20:32):
I emailed that to you guys.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
What did you email us?

Speaker 9 (20:36):
I don't know, Okay, since you guys the permit on
the ATRAX system from from the original build and uh,
and it I don't know. If I called up the
Regional Building department, I speak regional building department, the guy
told me that the permit was for uh. The permit

(20:58):
was pulled back in two thousand seventeen, so two thousand
and twenty fifteen ECII rules apply to it, right, But
underneath that it says there's four hundred cfm. And I'm
new at this, so I'm like looking this, I'm looking up.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
All this crap, right, but I don't even know if
we need to know.

Speaker 12 (21:15):
I mean, I'm losing, Jason.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
What do you want right now? Seriously? What what if
if you replaced it? Go ahead? What do you want.

Speaker 9 (21:24):
Builder to reimburse me? I want the I want the
builder to reimburse me twenty two thousand dollars for.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
My well, he's the builder's not going to do it
for my hot water heater.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
The builder's not going to do it because the builder
doesn't even know if you needed it. You don't even
have the old system. Did you get any credit for
that old system which was only a few years old?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (21:47):
I did I believe? I think so?

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Jason? Jason seriously, Man, No, No, I'm serious. You move
into a house in twenty twenty three, it's a brand
new house. A year or two later, you replaced the
entire system, and now you want the builder to pay
for it. That builder needed to be given a chance
to look at it and try to make it work
or something you're not going to get. You're not going

(22:11):
to get reimburse twenty two thousand dollars, but they're not
going to hand you over twenty thousand dollars. They don't
even have the old system to look at right now, Jason,
you understand listen, man, I love helping people. But do
you really believe do you really believe that out of
system you went ahead and replaced it, that they're going

(22:32):
to pay for.

Speaker 9 (22:32):
It even if a licensed contractor says that it's too
small for the house, that's right.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
That's right, because because I don't think I don't think
it was too I don't think it was too small
for the house. And you didn't even go up in
that much size. What size did you say it was?

Speaker 9 (22:53):
It was like a two and a half or three tons?

Speaker 5 (22:57):
It was if okay, Jason, and you're taking your one
source at their word. You got talked into a new
system and you didn't need one. You didn't need one.
Except now it's impossible to prove one way or the other, Jason.
Just because a licensed contractor sold you something doesn't mean

(23:17):
the builder has to pay for it. Man, the builder
can say, wait a minute, we didn't get a chance
to look at that. We would have done it. We
would have taken care of it if it needed something,
or we could have gotten that one worked on. You
said two and a half or three times. What exactly
did they replace in your house? You should know that exactly.
What did they replace exactly in your house? What did

(23:38):
they replace?

Speaker 9 (23:40):
They replaced my furnace, they replaced my AC unit, they
replaced the fan.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
And you said some about a water heater. You said
some about a water heater.

Speaker 9 (23:52):
Well, the water heater is brand new. The water heater
is brand new, and I have filed i'd have talked
to the builder on that one. I'm still waiting for
a reply.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Why did you replace the water heater?

Speaker 9 (24:06):
Well, it hasn't happened yet, but I'm waiting.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Who told you you need a new water heater?

Speaker 9 (24:16):
The same people?

Speaker 5 (24:17):
And why did they say you? Why did they say
why did they say you need a new water heater?

Speaker 9 (24:27):
I'm trying to remember, but my pilot light keeps on
going out. And Okay, apparently the thing was dying in It.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
Wasn't, Jason, Jason, I'm going to tell you my hunch. Okay,
they saw you coming. I hate to say that, but
one source saw you coming for you to spend twenty
two thousand dollars on a new house, and now you
want the water heater replacement, and you want the builder
to pay you for that old HVAC system. They have
nothing to go on. They have one opinion from one

(24:56):
contractor who says the system was undersized. And and if
it was undersize, why wouldn't one source tell you to
go to the builder and demand that they replace it.
You jumped the gun too fast, bro, Honest to god, Jason,
I don't think there's anything in the world we can do.

Speaker 13 (25:12):
BO.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Since you're there, BO, I want you to do something
for me, Bo, try to find out from one source. Bo,
what does this sound like to you? Tell the truth,
what does this sound like to you?

Speaker 8 (25:22):
Come on, man, is this the one source in Colorado Springs?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
No?

Speaker 5 (25:26):
I think it's Yeah, they only have one reviews. I
think he was taking advantage of. I want to know
what they were. How long ago did they replace it?
By the way, Jason, do you still have You don't
even have records of the old system, and you expect
the builder to pay for a brand new system. It's

(25:46):
not going to happen. Hold on, I got to take
a break at it. Then, I want to Bo. I
want you to go over what he had in his
house and what they put in. I'm gonna tell you
some'm Jason. I'm telling you I'm going out on a limb.
I am saying that you were taking advantage of. And
what I don't believe is that you didn't get at
least a second or third opinion. This contractor comes into

(26:09):
a brand new house and sells you a complete HVAC system,
and you want the builder to pay for it. I
can't believe you did that. I can't believe it, and
I can't believe you want them to pay twenty two
thousand dollars based on one opinion. I'm on your side
in that I want to help you, But Jason, I

(26:32):
think that you they saw you coming, bro, they saw
you coming, and I think they took advantage of you.
I got to take this break, and I'm Tom Martinez
three three seven one three eight two five five. By
the way, frankdrand real estate Man dot com. He will
do an analysis of You're home right now to tell
you what it will sell for right now, and he'll
tell you what you can get and what you can buy.

(26:54):
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oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Tom Martine here,

(27:41):
if you're just tuning in, I don't don't bring up
Jason right now. Bo is working with them. But Jason
bought a brand new home from Falcon in Falcon, Colorado,
near Colorado Springs. And he says his HVAC system wasn't
working properly. Now, mind you, his house was only a
year old, okay or a year and a half. For
two years and and one source comes in and tells

(28:02):
him he needs a whole new system. It was undersized,
and he needed his ductwork sealed, and now he needs
a water heater. And he spent twenty two thousand dollars
with these people on a brand new home. Now he
wants the builder to reimburse him. I talked to I
talked to a job Shane today. Shane Terry's with me
from Apple Air and he's my guest today. And he said,

(28:25):
down down in that area, they require a lot of
calculations and they are very strict with building codes. Is
that right?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
That is correct? It's anywhere, but yes, any new build
is going to be very strict.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
On a So do you doubt that the air ducts
were not sealed? I do, and passed a spec and
when he was talking sizes, he said two and a
half or three ton, and then he said they put
in a four time. I think. I mean, to be
honest with you, I don't think it was. I don't
even know about the house, but I don't think it
was undersized. I don't think they would let him install

(28:59):
one that was severely undersized.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, you know, energy codes, everything else comes into play there.
It's a far fash that it was undersized.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
I don't think it was. And then they didn't even
upsize it that much to begin with, if they only
went to four ton. So I think, Jason, I hate
to tell you this. I think you were taking advantage
of And one source has terrible ratings, terrible ratings. I
want to talk to Peter real quick because I'm getting
behind on brakes. But Peter, what's going on with you? Peter?

Speaker 10 (29:31):
How you doing, sir good Man?

Speaker 5 (29:33):
What's going on with you? What's going on? Well?

Speaker 12 (29:35):
I bought a property up in Evans, Colorado, back in
twenty sixteen. I was a real estate investor.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
I did a lot of what did you buy?

Speaker 10 (29:43):
I bought a.

Speaker 12 (29:44):
Two and a half acre like partial.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Farm, okay, And did it have a house on it?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (29:50):
Yeah, I've got a house and all that stuff. And
I was going to monetize it, and I had rankers
in it and all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (29:56):
And then in twenty eighteen, the city.

Speaker 12 (29:58):
Of Evans I was held on to for a while
because I figured it was going to explode at some point. Well,
the city Evans in twenty eighteen came to me and
said they were going to put a four lane road
in front of the house. So I thought, perfect, I
don't be able to monetize this. Get some storage units
are showing in here, and life will be good. Well,
needless to say, twenty twenty I come down with cancer.

(30:18):
Turn around there and I can't really think. Well, so
I'm dealing with the city and we're going back and forth,
and my wife was trying to help me, and I
had a friend up north trying to help me.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
What were you trying to do that you needed help?
What kind of help did you need?

Speaker 10 (30:33):
Negotiate the price?

Speaker 12 (30:34):
And what was going to happen to the land, you know,
while they were digging post that. They had a lot
of friends that do your work, you know, so I
knew a lot about you know, what they had to do.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
So wait, we're there. Let me let me Peter. I
want to get a straight picture here. The road was
going in front of your house or was it? Were
they were they taking? So they weren't taking your property?

Speaker 7 (30:56):
No, they are.

Speaker 12 (30:56):
They needed and they needed. The road was going to
go in front of my house, and then they needed
part of my land to make that four lane road.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Okay, so they were but you were able to They
said you could keep the house though.

Speaker 10 (31:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (31:09):
They well, I was only going to sell them half
an anchor.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Okay.

Speaker 12 (31:13):
Yeah, so they were only going to get that strip
because I was going to keep that property. Okay, made
a lot of money. So I told them that strip
in the front, and they told me they'd be in
contact with me when they were doing construction. Now I
they used to say this was happening in twenty twenty one,
twenty three two. They kept pushing the construction.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
When did they buy that When did they buy that
half acre from you?

Speaker 12 (31:38):
Probably twenty twenty, twenty twenty okay.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Okay, So what's the issue today.

Speaker 12 (31:44):
So there was a building on that strip and it
had solar.

Speaker 10 (31:47):
Panels on it.

Speaker 12 (31:49):
Now, the city was supposed to tell me when they're
doing work. I didn't get contact until my friend contacted
me in March twenty twenty five. He said, Hey, they're
doing work outside your house. He said, in your building's
gone in your panels. I said, what are you talking about?
So I drive up there talk to the guy on tight.
I said, where's my building with.

Speaker 10 (32:05):
My solar panels? You said what? We took him down.

Speaker 12 (32:08):
What do we need? He took him down. I needed
sixty days to remove the panels. Now the solar company's.

Speaker 10 (32:13):
Coming after me.

Speaker 12 (32:14):
Oh my god, want their panels.

Speaker 10 (32:16):
The city doesn't want to deal with me. They won't
even respond to me.

Speaker 12 (32:19):
They were supposed to give me full access on both
my driveways on the Norse.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
You have that in writing. Hold hold on, I got
to take this break, Peter, I'm gonna come right back
to you. Hang on. I'm Tom Martine Moore. Right after this,
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Speaker 1 (32:53):
Help.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
You'll think you're his only customer when you choose Frank
durand the real estate man dot com to list your
home with Remax Alliance three oh three nine two zero
sixteen twenty two. All right, this is amazing. Peter said,
he sold his property, okay, and they were supposed to

(33:14):
notify him so he could get the solar system off
that piece of property. And they never notified him. And
now the solar company says, where's the system? So, Peter,
I assume that this property had a least system. It
wasn't owned, it was leased. Is that right, yes, sir, yes, sir.
And do you have do you have a buy sell

(33:36):
agreement that says anything in writing that they were supposed
to let you know.

Speaker 12 (33:43):
Oh yeah, I have this stuff from the city engineer
so it would keep me in contact because they kept
kicking this project. It was supposed to happen in twenty
twenty two. It just happened this year.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Okay, But so you do have it in writing, yeah.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
He says, I'll give you sixty days before we start work. Okay,
get down the panels and okay, twenty two to twenty three.
But I stayed in contact with him. He's like, yeah,
I'll let's you know when we get close, because the
funding is all screwed up and we don't know what
we're doing to getting and.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
So where what did they do with the solar system?

Speaker 10 (34:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
They threw it away because they threw the whole billy away.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
What does the solar company? What is the solar company
bugging you for right now?

Speaker 12 (34:23):
Twenty eight thousand dollars?

Speaker 5 (34:25):
What?

Speaker 10 (34:26):
Because I told them?

Speaker 12 (34:27):
Because I told them the solars solar panels are gone.
The city took them down. And they're like, well, you're responsible.

Speaker 7 (34:32):
There's there's a lease.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
But didn't you say you bought this property. When you
bought this property, you assumed the lease.

Speaker 12 (34:41):
Get her, I assume the leads from the prior owner.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
Okay, and now they want twenty eight grand? What does
the city say they're going to do? All right, hold on,
we got to figure this out. Twenty two, twenty eight
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a second. I want to go to Tessa real quick. Here, Tresa,
and then we'll come back to you. So, Tresso, what's
going on?

Speaker 11 (36:54):
Yo?

Speaker 5 (36:56):
Hi, tres, So what's happening? It's okay, do me a
favor to put on your hearing as acts. I thought,
tressa sounded weird, But thank you, Teresa. What can we
do for you?

Speaker 11 (37:09):
I called you last week about that plumber, Vinnie the plumber.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, hold on, Vinnie the plumber that
that was a terrible story, and I think we had
he wanted to come on the air. He said he
was really sick. We got to figure this out. Anyway.
What has did he contact you after we called him?

Speaker 11 (37:32):
No, he won't take my calls at all.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
Okay, I'm trying to find your call when you called, So, Teresa, Vinnie,
how much money did you pay him?

Speaker 11 (37:44):
Two hundred? Well, he gave me a discount. It was
two and.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
He was going to he was going to help you
with your toilet.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Right.

Speaker 11 (37:54):
Well, I was leaking only when I first showed, so
he replained.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
It he did the wax ring right and it did
not fix it.

Speaker 11 (38:04):
Yeah, but then it was leaking all the time. And
then he had his Helpbrook come out and he said
he camps I now worth waking. He said, I need
a new toilet, so he said, well, then Vinny called
me back. He said, when I go to the workhouse
Sunday Monday, I'll see about getting a new toilet for you.

(38:27):
And I thought, well, if I need a new towittet,
that's okay. But then he never gone contact with me.
It's been two two weeks and I'm in a wheelchair.
I'm ninety five year old and it's very hard for me.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Okay, Teresa, Now what part of town are you in?
I'm going to try to sew it to help you
in Westminster? And do you need You're ninety two in
a wheelchair, and is that toilet turned off right now?
Ninety wait, are you ninety five?

Speaker 11 (38:59):
I am, Holy crap.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Are you in pretty good health other than the wheelchair?

Speaker 11 (39:06):
No, I have a few health problems, but that's so.
That's okay. I have trouble getting around. That's why I
have another charge. But it's hard for me to get
in there.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (39:18):
Now, well I can't get toilet leaking.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
She says, it leaks when she flushes it, and he
did the wax ring a bow. That's where it's.

Speaker 14 (39:28):
It's leaking from the tank or from the floor. Is
it leaking from the bottom of the tank or from them?

Speaker 5 (39:33):
But if it was the bottom of the tank, it
would leak, not just it leaks when she flushes it.
If it was the bottom of the tank, it would
continue leaking, right, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
It'd be it's somewhere in the bowl or on the floor.
So you're right. It didn't get it proper. Didn't you
call last week and you had the plant was supposed to.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah, but I waxed, didn't act. Didn't you get Vinnie on?
And then he hung up axe.

Speaker 8 (39:56):
This is the Italian plumber.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Well you know, I'm I mean, his name is Vinnie.
I mean, you know, you know, here's the deal. A
lot of people. We were making fun of his name,
talking about my people and all that, and Vinnie being Italian?
How do you know Vinnie's Italian? Okay? Does that mean
we can judge people by their name? What about Tyrone?
Would Tyrone be Italian? What would Tyrone? Just here's what

(40:22):
I'm I know. But everybody, every time we talk about
Vinnie the Plumber, they say, oh, Vinnie, you know mafia
blah blah blah. It's it's it's just as bad as
any other name. Uh, stereotype. I don't think we should
do it.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
Okay, you should be a mafia guy instead of a
damn plumber.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
Yeah. Well, in any case, he took two hundred dollars
for nothing. But Acts, what did he say to you
when you talked to him? You did talk to him,
What did he say?

Speaker 11 (40:52):
There's something wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
No?

Speaker 5 (40:54):
No, no, no, not you dare not you? Teresa? I
want to know Act? Sorry? What did he say to you?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Acts? When I called him?

Speaker 15 (41:02):
He said he was super sick, which she didn't sound sick.
And then he said he's been meaning to call her,
but the only reason he picked up my call was
because he thought it was his doctors And then he
said he'd go on the radio as soon as I
put him on hold. Two seconds later he hung up
and then he blocked the number.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
Oh so you can't even call him back.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I can try with the outside.

Speaker 14 (41:23):
Let's call Vinnie again and kill him a chance today
that Vinnie redeem him.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Teresa, hang on and we'll try to get this guy
to So right now, though, we need to get you
some help. I'm sure it's not going to be difficult
to fix that leak, are you justm yeah?

Speaker 14 (41:41):
I would be willing since I made the Vinnie comment,
to go over to Teresa's house in Westminster if we
can't get a hold of Vinnie, and I'll look at
the toilet I made.

Speaker 8 (41:51):
That is so nice to redeem myself.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
No, no, you're not the only one. I wasn't singling
you out. There were a lot of people that said Vinnie, Oh,
Vinnie the plumber must be the mafia. You know they
hear the name Vinnie. It's just weird. It's just weird, Jo.
But in any case, I don't care. Look at I'm
not easily offended. But here's the deal. Really, and seriously,

(42:16):
Vinnie did say he was sick, But.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
Now Let's call him up.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Okay, call him right now. That's a good idea. Let's
call him right this minute.

Speaker 14 (42:26):
Hang on, tell him, I'm gonna go over there and
look at it. If he won't take care of his
own damn job and to get out of the plumbing business,
if you can't replace the damn wax.

Speaker 8 (42:35):
I mean, his ladies is in a wheelchair, I know it.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
And Jenna's ninety five years old. Ninety five.

Speaker 8 (42:44):
All right, we're gonna take care of Teresa.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Well, we'll take care of her now. The guy on eBay,
by the way, does not own a computer, and he
wanted to He wanted to go. He wants to go
to the library, and he wants to send bo seventy
five pages. Here's what I don't understand. He bought it
on eBay, but he doesn't own a computer. How did
he do it?

Speaker 8 (43:08):
I don't know. I'm just kind of glad to get
off the phone with him. I think I know this.
He bought it in December.

Speaker 14 (43:12):
First, I think he missed his return period of like
fifteen to thirty days.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Wait a minute, So he bought it in December and
was just now getting around him trying to return it. Yes,
but he did cancel.

Speaker 14 (43:24):
He did cancel the credit card to go, but then
the credit the Key bank, reversed the charges back onto
his card. So they must have got a statement from
this auto shop that sold him the park.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
So there's much just gonna How much is it going
to cost him?

Speaker 14 (43:41):
Tom, I'm almost willing to send him a check for
sixty bucks.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 14 (43:45):
I mean this is only sixty dollars. I know, I'm
just saying, I mean seventy four. He says he's got
one hundred hours of time researching us, trying to contact
these people in eBay, and he's got it's only a
sixty dollars sale. But I think I think he did
something wrong. I just think he didn't follow the proper steps.
And now I kind of believe it since he has

(44:06):
to go to the library and use the computer. And
I'm just looking forward to what possibly could he put
in seventy four.

Speaker 8 (44:12):
Pages when all I want is the eBay listening.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
He could be ridiculous. Yeah, anyway, Okay, this is Sean Listen. Here,
here's the deal, here's the deal. We have to we
have to uh, we got to try to figure this out.
We got so many people being taken advantage of Right now,
Vinnie the plumber, the numbers up there. Let's give him
a call during the break and see if we can

(44:35):
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I know, I'm I have you working really hard, But
what were we gonna do with that Adam number?

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Now?

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Okay, Vinnie the Plumber we're trying to get a hold
of Ax tried to call several times. Now, listen, he
only charged her two hundred bucks, right, and but he
didn't do the job. But I don't think that doesn't
sound like a ripoff to me, though. It sounds like
he probably tried to fix it and didn't do it right.
So I don't want to jump. I don't want to
jump to the conclusion that Vinnie the Plumber is a

(46:24):
bad guy. Jesse, What is going on with you? Jesse?
Welcome to the show. What's going on?

Speaker 13 (46:30):
Well, Tom, I'm having some issues with Security Service Federal
Credit Union.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
What's the name of the company, Jesse. What's the name
of the company?

Speaker 13 (46:40):
Security Service Federal Credit Unions?

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Oh, okay, what's going on?

Speaker 13 (46:47):
Well, a little small business, and so my company credit
cards through them. Since November, the control account, which is
the account that the number that everything is built under,
has been compromised fourteen times.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
Wait a minute, your credit card? What do you mean
by compromised?

Speaker 13 (47:12):
Well, it's been there's been foddulent activity fourteen different times
and four.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
Why didn't you just shut it down completely?

Speaker 13 (47:21):
Well they have fourteen times they shut it down.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Fourteen Wait a minute, how the hell hold on? So
this is this a debit card or a credit card?

Speaker 13 (47:31):
No, it's a credit card. But so I have multiple
users under one credit card. So it's not any of
the card numbers that are in mine or any of
my people's possession. It is the control account number that
only MasterCard and Security Service Federal Credit Union has access to.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
So what do you think is going well, Jesse, what
do you think is going on?

Speaker 13 (47:57):
Well? I don't know. I just I've had enough.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
But that's what are they charging? Jesse?

Speaker 13 (48:04):
Well, it depends. I mean the last one was from
a company and to buy the time before that it
was a travel website.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (48:13):
Time before that was the Future Farmers of America.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
How are they getting okay? So what is what does
the credit union say? What are they doing for you?
Are you may have to change banks? Have you ever
thought about that? Just changing?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (48:29):
I have, and then I can do that, but future
I have it right and said, I know everybody there
and used to. It's just that's why I haven't.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
And then I know, Jesse, I know it. But I'll
tell you what. There's something wrong and if it's not
through you, somebody's getting into their system.

Speaker 13 (48:51):
Well, and that's the thing. It's not a card that
I have, not even a card number that I have
access to these card numbers. It's not even a real
physical card. It's the control account which everything else is
processed under.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
Okay, no, I know what you mean. You have a
main account and that's the one that's going through. But
how but it's not the same perpetrator each time, it's
a different I mean you saying they're all over the place, Well.

Speaker 13 (49:24):
Yes, from what the charge that shows up yesterday, all
all over the place.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
Jesse, Let me ask you something, because I do want
to help. What did you think or what do you
want us to do? Tell me what you want us
to do, because really this is frustrating and my normal
advice would be drop them, drop them and go somewhere else.
But what's on your mind? What do you want us
to do?

Speaker 13 (49:47):
Well, here's the thing, Tom, I'm a small company with
only three employees. And if this happening fourteen times to
a small company, what's happening to everybody else? Only seems
to be happening to the business. Accounts and Security service
is not letting anyone know that anything is going on,

(50:08):
unless it happens to be your account that gut compromised.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
Oh I geh.

Speaker 13 (50:15):
At least they should at least let their people know. Look,
watch your stuff, because this is going on. We're having
a problem something.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
So Jesse, how did you How did you figure out
it was fraudulent? Do you go over your account every month?

Speaker 13 (50:30):
Well, no fraud protection calls you. I mean they'll call
you and say we're setting down your card. Is this
your charge? You know? But it wasn't me, you know.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Well, at least they're doing their job though, I mean,
it's not You're not losing any money, but you're you're
saying it's a pain in the ass, is what you're saying.
It's not actually costing you money right now?

Speaker 13 (50:51):
Well, it know, but what it does do is leave
a technician out there with no way to get fuel
or get parts when they shout it down.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
Oh, I see what you're saying. Now, what did you
say your business is?

Speaker 13 (51:06):
Again, I do equipment with that moving equipment.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
Okay, listen, Jesse. Have you ever considered I don't know.
Have you tried other credit unions?

Speaker 13 (51:24):
I have not, because, like I said, it's.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
No I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying,
but man, there's something wrong with their system. If I
were you, all I can say is I would change it.
But I want to warn people. You say, it's Security
Service Credit.

Speaker 13 (51:40):
Union, right, Security Service Federal Credit Union.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Federal Right. Yeah, They're very popular, and I can't tell
you that. I don't recall getting any other complaints from
people who have accounts there. But if anyone listening is
having a similar situation, let us know, Jesse. As I said,
I don't know what we can do for you, man,
I really don't. When people hear about it though on

(52:05):
the show, at least that does something. Okay, So here's
what I'm going to tell you. If you have an
account with Security Service Federal Credit Union, and you have
compromised cards. Please let us know acts. Take Jesse's number
just in case we get other people. Because but Jesse,
I'm going to tell you something, man, fraud is rampant.

(52:27):
I mean, it's all over the place. It's amazing to
me how much fraud there is digitally. I mean, and
there's it's almost like it's not prosecuted. Well not almost
like it's not prosecuted. Yes, somebody says something. I'm sorry, Ethos.

(52:50):
It's kind of crime that people get away with. That's
why they do it. But if you have a bank account,
if you have a credit card, if you have a
debit card, you got to be really careful.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
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(53:49):
Let me go back to you real quick. Here we're
trying to get through this city of Evans. Does the
City of Evans real quick? Yeah?

Speaker 12 (53:57):
Go ahead, stir this all started, this all start, didn't
I saw the building because they were supposed to give
me a full access in my driveway and they cut
me off. I can only go east and they won't.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
Fix that as obviously the road's.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Done God, and so they put the road in. They
put the road in, and you they limited your access
and they took your solar system. What do they say
they're going to do about your solar system?

Speaker 12 (54:26):
He then I can't get them to respond to an email.
And I've been first contacted them about the the full
blown easement. That's when they pretty much drew me out.
And then when I started doing the solar thing, because
this started in the last month, the solar plant company
started really coming after me and my wife. So I
started getting old emails and I found all this stuff
where they screwed me.

Speaker 13 (54:46):
On all that.

Speaker 12 (54:48):
So what what are you remember where the emails were,
But I do now because let me.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
Just ask you, what are your plans? I mean, have
you a lawsuit is prohibitive? Oh well, I don't. Here's
what I'm trying to think. Okay, you got a couple
of items here. The number one item is if truly
they they did not give you access to get that
solar off. I don't know how your agreement is written.

(55:13):
I need to see the agreement. Okay, and we can
have some of our attorneys. Good okay, Okay, would you
do me a favorite Axe, have him email us at
help and then you forward it to me. I promise
you I will look into it. I'll have one of
our attorneys look over the emails. I'm just hoping that

(55:35):
you have something that constitutes a promise, because truly, if
they destroyed your solar system and you were supposed to
be warned and they took your building and the land
and destroyed the solar system, I think they're going to
owe you some money. I mean, I really do. So

(55:55):
that's where I want to start. I want you to
send us your emails between you in the city, so Ax,
give him the information and we'll figure that out. And
for Teresa, we can't get a hold of Vinny.

Speaker 14 (56:10):
I just I left him two messages. He's not he's
ghosting me and he's ghosting the show. So yeah, I
think I need these ghosting I need to get three
every number and I'll you know, Tom, I'll call her up.
I'll go over there. I feel bad to this lady
if the toilet, I mean, I do too.

Speaker 8 (56:31):
Got to be, I really do. Tom's got to be
a simple fix, I know it is.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
I think when you do a wax ring, when you
do a wax ring, do you do any of do
you do any plum? Do you mess around with plumbing?
By the way, I'm talking to Shane now, Shane, those
wax rings, if you don't get that toilet don just right,
they can leak pretty easily, can sure, Kenya.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
And if it's a shallow wax wax ring or even
a thick wax ring may be needed in this application.
But yeah, we can go look as well.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
Okay, Bo if you need any help, Shane said, he
can help this older woman out if you need them to.
But why don't you just get a preliminary look and
we'll try to help her. The poor woman, she's you know,
she's ninety five and in a wheelchair, and she simply
wants some help.

Speaker 8 (57:19):
Just want you take a pee without a flush us.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Well, she has to go to her she has to
go to her other bathroom, and she doesn't have total
access because of the wheelchair. By the way, speaking of
cyber crime, it is amazing right now the government is
basically saying, I mean, this is what they're saying, nothing

(57:43):
is safe. You have to assume that you are going
to eventually be compromised. So people, you must monitor your accounts.
I know it's the pain in the ass, but you
have to go over all of your charges and make
sure you recognize them. I use Rocket money. You can

(58:03):
use anything you want or just do it yourself, but
you can't let months go by without monitoring your charges.
They start out with little charges just to see if
they can get away with it, and then eventually they
raise it up a little. It might only be a
few bucks a month, but they're doing it to hundreds
of thousands of people, and eventually, you know, you find

(58:26):
out about it. You call and I, for example, I
was being nickeled and dimed on my AMX account. Really
I was not diligent on that account, and I looked
at that account and I had twenty six one hundred
dollars in fraudulent reoccurring charges for the past four months,

(58:48):
twenty six hundred dollars. Now AMX was great about taking
them off, but they did say, you know, you're supposed
to report these more more often. In other words, you're
What I could have done is prevented it, because what
they will do is put a block on the merchant,
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Tom martino, here. Welcome. Listen there's the new INSURANCE i
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(01:03:00):
talk About Cherry creek. Schools what's going? On, Liz welcome
to the. Show.

Speaker 16 (01:03:05):
Hi, Hey, so basically getting some unfair treatment for my,
son who is a senior At Eagle Crest High. School
he also what's going?

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
On what's going?

Speaker 11 (01:03:21):
On he is.

Speaker 16 (01:03:23):
Not being allowed to walk in graduation this?

Speaker 9 (01:03:25):
Week why two?

Speaker 16 (01:03:27):
Weeks two weeks, ago he was attending The Vocational school
For Cherry, creek The Cherry Creek Innovation. Campus he was
in his second year Of auto technician. Class So thursday
the seventh was their last day. There they had a
tesla presentation and after the, presentation they let the kids hang.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
Out in the.

Speaker 16 (01:03:48):
Vehicles so my son and three other students were in
a cyber truck hanging out listening to. Music the teacher
opened the passenger. Door my son apparently had a vape
pen that had fell out of his pocket and was
on the. Phone so they took my son to the

(01:04:09):
dean and basically his person was, searched his car was.
Searched they found some other things in his vehicle that
belonged to one of his friends had a backpack in his.
Car fast, forward the other kid that another kid that
was sitting in the past or the driver's seat of this,
vehicle was also. Searched his person was, searched his vehicle was,

(01:04:31):
searched and it came up with some contraband as. Well
the two kids in the back seats were never, questioned never,
searched and one of the kids in the back seat
was actively vaping while they were sitting in the cyber.
Truck the other kid behind the driver's seat ended up
sending a voicemail to the kid that was sitting in

(01:04:53):
the driver's seat later that day that he was so
relieved that he didn't get pulled and searched because he
actually had alcohol on him that day at.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
School so.

Speaker 16 (01:05:04):
The vocational school decided to not have any sort of.
Consequences it was their last day of class. There they
said that they would just have the homeschool handle. Punishment
my son AND i went immediately to the homeschool where
we talked to his. Dean he wrote a statement the
sro at his school decided that he. Was they weren't

(01:05:24):
going to do anything presidy charges make anything legal because
my son enlisted in The Colorado National guard a year
ago and is due to leave for basic Training june twenty,
ninth so THE sro didn't want to cause any problems
with him being able to leave for boot camp on.
Time so no legal, churages disciplinary, actions anything.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
Have come out of.

Speaker 16 (01:05:48):
This so my, son who plays, baseball has played baseball
all four years At Eagle Crest High. School his punishments
were he was suspended for those last two days of,
school which he wasn't able to participate in the last
two varsity baseball. Games he wasn't able to attend school
on the last day to tell any of his friends

(01:06:08):
or teachers. Goodbye they told him he was not able
to attend prom which was this Past, saturday and a
chance that he wasn't going to be able to walk in.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
Graduation when is, Graduation, Liz, liz when is graduation This?

Speaker 16 (01:06:25):
Thursday which is why this is such a time sensitive.
Issue so my son AND i had A we asked
to have a conference with the, school my, husband my,
son AND. I they didn't respond for over forty eight
hours to the email THAT i had, sent and then
when they did respond AFTER i circled, back we weren't
we weren't granted a. Meeting we were offered a phone.

(01:06:48):
Conversation so phone conversation, happened and they basically, said he
violated district, Code jay, whatever and he's not going to
be allowed to. Walk there's nothing they can do, exceptions blase.
Blase yeahs forwards.

Speaker 17 (01:07:03):
To the next.

Speaker 16 (01:07:03):
Day my son's friend who was the one that was
sitting in the driver's seat and was also pulled in. Search, Today,
yeah the meeting at his home school with his administrators and,
deans and he is now being allowed to walk in.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
Graduation, Hey, liz why do you think why do you
think the two schools are handling this? Differently did your
son have a bad record At Eagle, Crest not at.

Speaker 16 (01:07:27):
All he's been in The Cherry Creek school district for thirteen,
years never been in any sort of serious. Trouble they
den't even acknowledged. That there's only eleven like notes of
any sort of right.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Ary, Okay, Liz, liz hang, On, OKAY i got to
take this. Break we got to figure out why there's
such a disparity among the two, schools and then figure
out what to. Do since It's, thursday hang on and
let's let's see what we can. Do I'm Tom Martine.
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(01:09:05):
This but here's WHAT i want to. Know, okay did
you when you talk To Eagle, crest is that where
you made your appeal or did you make your appeal
to the?

Speaker 13 (01:09:15):
DISTRICT i may be.

Speaker 16 (01:09:18):
Appealed To Eagle crest as. Well basically stated my opinion
that he had been penalized already in those various different,
forms and that him not being able to walk in
graduation was actually penalizing his family in negating all of
his accomplishments over the last thirteen. Years you, Know so
it does.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
Sound it does sound a bit, severe it, Does, liz
because you're not saying he shouldn't be. Penalized you're saying
he was penalized and basically the other boys are being
allowed to. Walk is that? True that's exactly. True that
this doesn't make sense to, me and we'd like to
Find what we'd like to do is call them and

(01:09:58):
ask them. Why. BASICALLY i don't know if that'll, help
but it. Might what were you hoping to accomplish with
this phone, Call, LIZ i was.

Speaker 16 (01:10:08):
Hoping to bring some awareness to this, possibly you, know
with you guys being the caliber of news recording that
you are just, hoping you know that it would on, them, like,
hey you know this is not another scandal of bit so.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
LISTEN i mean right, now he was he was with a.
Group how many boys were in the cyber? Truck? Four
there were four boys in there and he's the only
one not being allowed to walk, Correct.

Speaker 16 (01:10:37):
And the other one initially wasn't going to be able to,
walk but he is now being allowed to.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
Walk but why? Now what did he do that was
different than your son as far as being how did
they appeal?

Speaker 16 (01:10:49):
It they were granted a in person.

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(01:14:10):
don't Think i'm gonna go on with my, hunch doing
media for more than fifty, YEARS i don't Think vinnie to,
me in my, opinion sounds like a. Ripoff he went
to this lady's, house ninety five year old lady in a,
wheelchair and reset her toilet for two hundred. Bucks that's, Cheap.

(01:14:31):
OKAY i don't think if he wanted to rip her,
off he would have charged her a lot, more or
he would have done a lot more and said you need,
this you need, this you need. This AND i, think
in my, opinion the situation doesn't sound like a. Ripoff
but Now axe has had the privilege of talking To,

(01:14:52):
vinnie and Now bo has had the privilege of talking To.
Vinnie they managed to get Through. Ax when you called
him last, week he said he was really, sick, right
and that was the problem he was getting behind on.

Speaker 15 (01:15:07):
Work, yeah he said he was deadly sick and this
is the most sick he's ever. Been super. Worried he sounded, okay,
ALMOST i don't know what that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
Means, Okay so you weren't sure how to take? Him
So bo called? Today but what would give me your
honest to god? Impression you have a good you have
a good gut for. Feeling what do you?

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
THINK i?

Speaker 14 (01:15:27):
Called, yeah he actually on the second call he picked.
UP i had a conversation with, him and he did
tell me he's been deathly.

Speaker 8 (01:15:36):
Ill AND i could tell him his. VOICE i believe
he is. Sick, okay, now he said he's doing his.

Speaker 14 (01:15:42):
Best he sent his apprentice over, there AND i guess
the apprentice spent four hours working on his. Toilet but
apparently this toilet has one of these bidet attachments on
top of the toilet, toilet AND i know they're fairly.
Complicated SO i, said you, know we've been calling. You
we just need to take care of this. Lady she's

(01:16:04):
ninety five years. Old and if you can't do, it
just let us. Know we'll find. Someone but he, said
he promised me he'd give her a call this, afternoon
And i'm going to follow up and he's going to
get over there and get the toilet. Compared and you, Know,
TOM i CAN'T i kind of believe. HIM i believe
he's fill and.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
So let's just let's just see what happens. Today and
AGAIN i don't think that it was a classic rip.
Off then, meanwhile we Have. Peter these are some of
the calls we've taken, Today peter said he sold a
half an acre or, no two and a half acres
to the city and on that two and a half

(01:16:42):
acres was a building with a solar, system and they
knocked down the building and took away the solar system
and he can't get it. Now and he said part
of the condition of the deal was that he was
to get the solar system back so he could turn

(01:17:03):
it in to the. Company AND i have this agreement
here AND i don't see it says. Full here's what it.
SAYS i don't see. See this is WHAT i don't.
UNDERSTAND i don't see where it says that they were
gonna let him remove the solar. SYSTEM i don't see

(01:17:26):
where it says. Full it says full movement access would
be for both sides of the thirty. Seventh, okay he's
talking about where and it says the west edge blah blah.
BLAH i was told we may not be able to
do the water tap blah blah. Blah i'm looking. HERE
i don't see. Anything you, KNOW i need to look

(01:17:47):
at it during the break, closer BUT i don't see
anything that looks like a promise to let him have.
ACCESS i think they said he could have access to
the date they did. Something WHAT i don't understand is
they were giving him access from the time he signed the.
Contract and why he. Waited why didn't he go in

(01:18:10):
and get the solar system as soon as he. COULD
i don't understand why they had to call him before
they started demolishing the. Property that's the PART i don't. Understand,
hey give that agreement to bo as well to, read
and we'll read it when we're off the. Air then

(01:18:31):
we had another problem, here and this Is liz on the,
line and she, said, look my son is not being
allowed to walk for his graduation. Ceremony because here's what was.
Happening he and some other boys were in a cyber

(01:18:52):
truck that was brought to the campus and they were doing.
So he's in a trade, school, okay and ibertruck was
there giving a. Demonstration the boys were in the truck
listening to. Music there was some vaping going. On the
boys got in. Trouble but they're all being allowed to

(01:19:13):
walk for their, graduation but her son is. Not, now
they come from different, homeschools not you, know home at.
HOME i mean like based schools like he is her,
Son Liz liz's, SON i, mean is With Eagle Cress
High school and their administration will not let him. Walk to,

(01:19:34):
me that sounds like a really severe punishment for the
last few days of, school especially if he was also
suspended and had to do some other punt and he
had some other. Punishment so we need to figure out
why are they being so strict with. Him why were
the other boys allowed to walk for his? Graduation we

(01:19:55):
don't know The we don't know the story, Yet, Okay
also WE i had a guy call about security Service
Federal Credit union and he said his credit card there
has been compromised fourteen times in a very short, time
and he was complaining about, it AND i told HIM

(01:20:17):
i looked into some others and apparently some other people
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THING i can suggest is that you move your. Business
when a bank does not live up to what you,
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(01:21:50):
you not do?

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
THAT i would not do. THAT i always recommend a
dual fuel set. Up so what's a dual. Fuel dual
fuel is going to be a heat pump paired with
a gas.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Firm you like? THAT i do like that and they
switch back and. Forth it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Does, yeah so it's going to switch back and. Forth
we can have a cutoff of the heat pump and
then to where you can program.

Speaker 5 (01:22:12):
It we can and what would be like a cutoff
for the heat.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Pump it depends on the. Application do we have solar
panels in place or are we strictly pulling off Of
excel or whoever You're.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
Do you go by time of day or do you
go by? Demand we go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
By temperature outdoor? Temperature oh you?

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
Do, yeah so you actually have a probe and you
can then tell it when it's this temperature or, above
use the heat. Pump, correct if it's this temperature or,
below use the. Furnace that's, right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Really, yep, yeah so generally thirty two degrees is going.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
To be our cutoff once the benefit to a consumer
for doing, THIS i, MEAN i know we're doing it
for the, environment that's why they're pushing heat, pumps but,
really And i'm not saying that's a bad, thing but
is there is there any reason a consumer would go
to a heat?

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
PUMP i, mean isn't it going to be more expensive then?
Gas operation? Wise, yes it is going to be more.
Expensive and that's where the solar. Panels are we pairing
it with solar panels or, Not that's where that comes into.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Play do you have a lot of people pairing it with?
Solar absolutely they. Do and if they pair it with
a solar. System Brooke white With Alliance roof And, solar
who does a lot of solar, systems she's doing commercial.
Now but she, said if you get that furnace or
that heat, pump excuse, me at the same time you

(01:23:31):
do your your, solar you can get the tax. Credit
well you used to be able to on the whole
thing right, now though there are rebates available right? Now
what rebates because this is one of the TEXTS i.
Got what rebates are available right? Now what's the best
he can do In excel territory for rebates or for tax?

(01:23:53):
Benefits so it's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Going to depend on the. Application what are we going
to do or are we going to do a ducted
heat pump? System are we going to do a duct
less heat? Pump what is duglass heat? Pump so duclass
is going to be the mini split. Systems oh, YEAH
i see what you're.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Saying you're talking. About, okay let's say they have regular
duct work and all, That like they have a gas.
Furnace what's the best they can do right now with?
Incentives what's the best out there right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Now, yeah so depending on the size of the. System, yeah,
yeah and to determine the rebate.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
Amount but but, like, well, yeah like the, amount what
do they go up to these?

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Rebates, YEAH i mean we can go all the way
up TO i believe the max right now for a
ducted systems about sixty eight hundred dollars sixty five somewhere in.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
There does that come off Their excel bill or is that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
A checker house well physically sends them a reimbursement.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Check come, On excel will send them a check up
to sixty eight hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Bucks that's. Right and then the manufacturer that we install the,
equipment we Install daikon right, Biking, yep they're giving eleven
hundred dollars instant rebate.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
Sixty eight seventy, eight seventy nine go, ahead verse seventy
sixty S. Yeah, yeah so it's pretty. Substantial so you
get almost eight grand and rebates and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Incentives once, again that is based off of the size exist, equipment, right, yeah, Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
And so with dyke and do they do heat pump?

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Soon?

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
Ye now do you only get incentives for the dual
fuel or do you get incentives on it just a
regular high efficiency.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Furnace the incentive is on the heat pump side of the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
System, okay so you have to have a heat pump
in it to get Those, now why Would excel want
you to go to that kind of? SYSTEM i mean? Why?
Why what is what is their? Game why are they doing?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
It you, know it's just it's more, electricity less gas,
usage AND i get, it and it is, okay it's
The but.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
See there was a time when they did not encourage
a lot of electrical because they didn't want to build
new power. Plans, right it's just the. Opposite it is the. Opposite,
yeah but everything is being, electrified, cars home services of all.
Kinds do you have electric water? Heaters do people bother with?

(01:26:08):
Them are they outrageously? Expensive we have electric water, heaters
heat pump water. Heaters what is the heat pump water?
Heater the heat pump water.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Heater you can run it strictly as a heat pump
unit to where it's gonna pull the air or the
hot air out of the out of and then heat the.
Water you can also run that as a hybrid where
we're doing electric heating or heat pump, heating and it's
gonna switch back and.

Speaker 5 (01:26:33):
Forth, okay so water heaters though straight electric water, heaters
there are there that many of.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Them there's not a lot of them out there, anymore but,
yeah we do run into them from time to.

Speaker 5 (01:26:45):
Time, yeah AND i think that the electrification of our,
HOMES i mean that's a major. PUSH i mean all
over the country they're doing. It, yeah and theory being
the theory being electric is, cleaner but you got to generate,
electricity you, do, yes and generating electricity in a is not.

(01:27:05):
Pure it's. NOT i mean WHEN i say it's not,
pure it's not what one hundred percent? Clean that is.
Not so listen right, now, folks here's WHAT i would. Do,
okay it's NOT i do love the. ENVIRONMENT i want
to keep the world safe and all of, that BUT
i truly believe when you're looking to put a system
in your, home you have to look out for the

(01:27:28):
best system for you based on price and. Purpose AND
i wouldn't do it for other for the. Environment, okay
let me just put it that. Way i'm not saying
that you shouldn't be mindful of the environment and we
shouldn't be good stewards of the. Earth but there are
a lot of people spending a lot of money on

(01:27:50):
heat pump systems and they don't need TO i. DON'T
i mean unless there is a reason to go to
a heat right, now speaking of, that let me just
ask you straight. Up you, guys you guys will sell
whatever people, want whatever will help. Them, okay you'll make

(01:28:11):
any system. WORK i get, That but what are the
reasons people are doing heat? Pumps it's not to save?
Money what do you actually have people who want to
help the? Environment we, do and that's why they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
It it, Is, yeah and you, know the comfort of
a heat pump system is also nice as, well down
to a certain outdoor, temperature because you're gonna get a
longer run time out of that heat.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
Pump what do you mean by that longer run?

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Time your heat pump system is gonna just give you
a longer heating cycle out of an inverter style heat,
Pump so you're gonna get longer run, times better comfort
of the home versus on and off. Operation, okay, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:28:51):
All right three oh three seven one three eight two.
FIVE I, DRAGON i Believe i'm behind a break right?
Now is that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
Okay i'm. Sorry let's take this quick. Break right after
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(01:29:41):
troubleshooter THREE o three seven one three talks seven one
three eight two five. Five SO i have these contracts
not contracts emails from The city Of evans to This,
peter and he is saying that this was his contractor his,
promises and basically he's not getting what they. Promised so

(01:30:05):
in an email it does say that it does say
full movement access would be for both sides of thirty
seventh see below a very rough. Sketch the west edge
of the opening would line up with the west. Edge,
yeah they just give the description and it says the

(01:30:28):
opening would be size to handle two, cars but the
cars on thirty seventh with that right. Away, anyway he's
saying he's not getting the access they. Promised AND i
looked at some other, things BUT i don't see anything at.
All nothing nothing that promises him access or that they

(01:30:50):
have to warn him about the solar. System. NOTHING i see.
Nothing so he has no. CASE i, MEAN i don't
know how he plans to inf force that he said
he sold The he sold this piece of property to.
Them it had a building on it and a solar
system was on the. Building they took it. Apart they

(01:31:12):
not took it. Apart they demolished the building and. Stuff
they're putting a road, through and they took his solar.
System but nowhere in any of these emails does it
show that he had that he needed to be. Warned
the Point i'm making is, this if you sell a

(01:31:33):
piece of property and you want the solar, system they
were not preventing him from getting the solar, System so
why is he saying that they didn't warn him he
had from the time he closed on that property to
the time they started demolishing it to get the solar.

(01:31:54):
System what would a warning have. BEEN i don't understand
why he needed a. Warning in other, words if there
were a few months in between the time he sold
and the time they, demolished why didn't he get his
solar system during that? Time so we need to get
him back on the air BECAUSE i don't see anywhere

(01:32:16):
where he was promised a, warning AND i don't even
know the purpose of a. Warning, technically the warning was
given when he sold the. Property they told, Him, hey
we're putting a road through. Here so what other warning
did they have to give? Him, oh by the, Way,
peter we're starting. Tomorrow why why would he wait till

(01:32:37):
the last. MINUTE i don't understand the case he's trying to,
make and he's thinking he's going to get some money
from these, people AND i don't see them ever paying
for that solar, system because they did not prevent him
from getting the solar. System SO i don't understand what
he's talking. About, okay maybe people who listen to it

(01:33:03):
may have gotten another. Impression you sell a piece of
property and then you have a few months to get your.
Stuff he didn't get, it and now he's complaining that
they didn't warn. Him, so but, bo does that make
sense to you you were listening to it doesn't make

(01:33:23):
sense to. Me acts doesn't make. Sense get him back
on the.

Speaker 8 (01:33:26):
Air it doesn't either investigated for.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
HIM i, mean IF i was selling a piece of
property to the city AND i wanted to get my
solar system off of that, PROPERTY i would just get it.
Off why didn't he?

Speaker 8 (01:33:40):
Do he didn't he do?

Speaker 5 (01:33:40):
IT i mean he said because they didn't warn. Him
why do you need a? Warning they already said what
they were gonna. Do they're gonna put a road, in
so that's your. Warning why would you need a last minute.
Warning it's like you're gonna wait until the day before
and then go get. It it makes zero sense to.

(01:34:02):
Me so if anyone was listening to, this what do
you think this guy doesn't seem to have a. Case,
now if he had a contract that said he had
two months to remove the solar, system let's, say and
then they took it before two, months that would be a,

(01:34:24):
breach that's, Right that would be a breach of. Contract
but he has no breach of contract THAT i can.
See all, right let's go back To. Apple we have
some text QUESTIONS i got to find here for. Him
we had some, People oh here it? Is where are?
They i'm looking for The oh there it. Is, okay,

(01:34:45):
SORRY hvac questions for my. Expert, okay here's the. Thing
where would you attack first the? House he wants to
know would you go for insulation first or for a
better heating system and a cooling. SYSTEM i think you
go for insulation. FIRST i don't know about you, guys

(01:35:06):
BUT i mean because otherwise you're just leaking good air
and good.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Heat you, Are, YEAH i, insulation good, Windows it all
comes into. Play you, know you can't heat a home
unless that's all that's in.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
Place they want to know a heat loss? Calculation can
they do their? Own what's involved in a heat loss?
Calculation and by the, way for those, listening a heat
lost calculation is to make sure you're getting the right size.
System this one guy that called in accused this new
homebuilder of putting in an undersized. System, AGAIN i don't

(01:35:40):
think that's. TRUE i think the guy was taking advantage
of because he Said he was only in that house
a couple of years with a brand NEW hvac, system
and some company came in and told him he needed
to replace, everything and he spent twenty two thousand. Dollars
his house was only a couple of years, old and
he spent twenty two thousand dollars on a new, system

(01:36:05):
and then they took the old system, away and he
expected the builder to pay for. That AND i, said
but why should the builder pay for? That he, said
because the licensed contractor told me it was, undersized but
they can't examine. It they did not have an opportunity
to do. Anything these people came in and talked him

(01:36:27):
into spending twenty two thousand dollars and his house was
only a couple years. OLD i went on record of
saying it's suspect for. SURE i don't think he needed
a whole new. SYSTEM i don't think it was. UNDERPOWERED
i don't think anything he was told is. TRUE i
don't think it. WAS i think they saw this guy,
coming and now he's out twenty two thousand dollars and

(01:36:52):
his house is only a couple years. Old all, Right
so So i'm talking about heat. Loss how do you
size a system to a. Home what's involved any heat loss, calculation.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
That's all going to come down to your load. Calculations
so how do you do it? Though do you have
to do a blower door? Test you don't have to
do all that DoD, no that's going to be more your.

Speaker 5 (01:37:19):
Like like to calculate the. Size is it all just square? Footage,
no it's square, footage it's heat gain heat? Loss what through?

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
Windows through windows addicts anything in the home that's gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:37:29):
Either so what do you plug in a certain value
for the number of? Windows we?

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Do, yeah, okay about a two hour. Process we go
through and we.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
Do, Okay so you so not all homes the same
size to take the same BT us?

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Correct? CORRECT a lot of homes have undersized duct, works
so we can't just go in and slap anything in there.
Either so we got to do the heat, gain heat,
loss duct load, calculation duct. Sizing it all comes into.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
Play and someone wants to know about. Ducting can they
get a high efficiency unit if they have an old
fashioned furnace in there with old fashioned duct? WORK i,
mean can you upgrade just the furnace and air or
do you have you don't have to do new ducting do.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
You it depends on the, system so we are going
in taking a look at. It if it's small duct,
work we may need upsize the duct. Work if it's
nicely done duct, work well, ducted, sealed so, on so
we can certainly act that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:27):
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(01:39:08):
Tom martina, HERE i Have Apple air in the. House
that's air with An eappleair dot. Com we're talking about
everything near and dear to your heart and. Pocketbook AND
i want to Get peter on the on the air
because he called. EARLIER i want to explain this. Situation
peter basically has a piece of property and the city

(01:39:29):
Of evans was putting a road through and they needed
to buy a piece of property from. Them on that
piece of property was a building of some kind and
a solar system on the. Building he told them he
wanted to get the solar system so he could return

(01:39:52):
it to the company or do whatever with, it but
he needed to get access to the solar. System he said.
That they went ahead and demolished the building without giving him.
Warning so my question was this first and, Foremost, peter

(01:40:14):
from the time they bought it to the time they demolished.
It how much time was there was? That did they
do it within a, week within a, day within five,
weeks within a. Month when did they buy? It and
when did they demolish?

Speaker 10 (01:40:28):
It they bought it in twenty twenty.

Speaker 12 (01:40:31):
Two they demolished it in twenty twenty, five twenty twenty, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:40:35):
Both now here's my. Question three and a half years,
okay here's my. Question you had three and a half
years to get that solar. System why are you blaming
them for demolishing the building three and a half years.
Later that's the Part i'm not challenging. You IT'S i
don't understand, It, like why didn't you go?

Speaker 7 (01:40:56):
Ahead it was.

Speaker 12 (01:40:58):
An active system was playing power to my. House i'm
not going to own if they don't know when when
the construction's going to.

Speaker 10 (01:41:04):
Happen I'D i lost three and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Years, Okay but but what were you going to ultimately
do if you did get access to the. System, OKAY
i see.

Speaker 10 (01:41:14):
Sixty days to take it.

Speaker 12 (01:41:16):
DOWN i got a, CALL i get, him AND i
was going to get from this company BECAUSE i had
to hire a professional.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
Company that makes sense to, Me Pete, peter that makes
sense to. Me so That soular system on that building
was supplying solar to your, house not to that. Building
that building wasn't your, house was.

Speaker 12 (01:41:33):
It, no it was flying there was supplying building power
to that to that, building my. House and ALSO i
had two greenhouses on.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
There.

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
Okay, now on the on the documents you sent, ME
i don't see anywhere that says anything about giving you
a warning or or you, know notifying you or. Whatever
where in those documents does it say that no one.

Speaker 12 (01:41:57):
From there wasn't one From mackenzie WHERE i asked, Her,
HEY i need thirty, days and better, YET i need
sixty days based on my.

Speaker 10 (01:42:03):
Health.

Speaker 12 (01:42:05):
Yeah on the, twelfth.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
YOU i don't see it? Is you, said there's an
email And i'm looking at did you send? Them are
those pictures that you sent me of those? Papers is
it on one of those pieces of? Paper.

Speaker 12 (01:42:22):
Yes so On Tuesday march, EIGHTH i Asked, mackenzie who
was working on.

Speaker 10 (01:42:26):
Behalf of the city to close this.

Speaker 12 (01:42:28):
DEAL i needed thirty days and she said, Sure and she, said,
well would sixty days be? Enough i'll put it in a.
Document THEN i wrote, BACK i, said doing my, Cancer
i'd like as long as, possible since you won't be
doing anything on my property for probably a, year, Right
AND i was back in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 5 (01:42:49):
And they went. Ahead and how did you find out
that they did demolish the.

Speaker 10 (01:42:53):
Building my buddy.

Speaker 12 (01:42:55):
Who works up, there who owns a, Company Amy Dirt.
Works it's a good friend of, mine does great. Work show, Me,
hey you're they're doing the road in front of your
house and they're taking your building down with the panels on.

Speaker 10 (01:43:07):
IT i said.

Speaker 12 (01:43:08):
What SO i drove up there AND i asked my
neighbor next, door n't, know who's like ninety. Five she, said,
yes it's been a puddle. MESK i asked the guy on.

Speaker 10 (01:43:17):
Site who is the, head the head, guy head substruption.

Speaker 7 (01:43:20):
GUY i, said where's the?

Speaker 10 (01:43:22):
Building where's my?

Speaker 12 (01:43:23):
Panels he, says WHY i? ASK i don't know what
was going.

Speaker 5 (01:43:27):
ON i still don't. See i'm going to try to
look at this. Axe let's put him on. Hold do
me a favor during this break acts ask him to point,
out please the document that says he has sixty days.
WARNING i got more coming up right after. This good.
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oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty. Two Hi Tom,
martino you're a. TROUBLESHOOTER i got these documents And i'm
going to go over. Them But i'm not going to
do it right this. Minute we're coming up to the
top of the, hour AND i will have some. COMMENTS

(01:44:35):
i do from a from a quick glance of these,
DOCUMENTS i will SAY i saw some stuff in there
that could be very beneficial for, him and we'll talk about.
It coming, Up, Peter I'M i will go over. THESE
i didn't want to go over them in in a
few MINUTES i, had So i'm going to use the
top of the hour. Break MAY i ask you, Something?

(01:44:57):
Peter you made mention of it in your you made
mention of it in your, emails and you also talked
to us on the. Phone what kind of cancer did
you have or do you?

Speaker 10 (01:45:07):
HAVE i still have multiple. Myeloma how are you doing?

Speaker 12 (01:45:13):
Well my numbers are, down so it's, good but it's.

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
Terminal so do you have what kind of treatments are you?
Doing you KNOW i went through a battle with cancer last.
Year are you on temo?

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Now?

Speaker 12 (01:45:25):
Yeah i'm on my maintenance chemo. Daily so my numbers
have been down.

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
For about two, years so that's.

Speaker 12 (01:45:31):
Good so we're just waiting to see how long they.

Speaker 5 (01:45:33):
Stay, okay now this is just comes. Back is The Solar?
Company is The Solar company demanding payment for those solar.
Systems for the solar.

Speaker 12 (01:45:46):
Systems well they keep so they keep going back and
forth with. Us and it's a company From. California the
name Was SunPower And anyone's Sun. Solar SO i Think
right sold it to.

Speaker 10 (01:45:55):
Themselves and did SOME llc.

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incentives and he said he looked them up and they
actually go up to eighty four hundred dollars depending on the.
System is that? Right that's a lot of money off
of a.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
System it is a lot of. Money and that's going
to be a rebate From Excel. Energy but it is
they will send you a. Check it will send you a.
Check so what kind of a system would you have
to put in to get a? Rebate so that's going
to be a heat pump, system low.

Speaker 5 (01:48:45):
Ambient it can be a hybrid too or.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Not it can be a, hybrid, yeah or a dual
fuel system dual, fuel that's WHAT i.

Speaker 5 (01:48:50):
Mean, Yes and then it has to be a certain
efficiency or is it just automatically that when certain?

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Efficiencies So excel has their standards that okaying.

Speaker 5 (01:49:01):
Has to hit these and you have to have an
approved contractor.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
You do have to you have to be An excel
approof contractor.

Speaker 5 (01:49:06):
Yes and then you put in the paper you help
him do it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
All we do it, all. Yep so we start out
with our load calks or heat loss heat gained calculations
and then we do all The excel approval so on.

Speaker 5 (01:49:20):
Form, wow that's. Incredible Now i'm going to go back
To peter who you, know he, said here's what his story.
Is he sold part of his property to the city
Of evans and they put a road. Through they knocked
down a building that had a solar system on. It
the solar system was providing electricity to his house and

(01:49:43):
he wanted to keep it on there as long as
possible and take it off and relocate. It and he
wanted some. Notice he, Said i'd like as much notice
as you can give, me and they, said would sixty
days notice be? Okay and then through a series of
emails back and, forth they talked about giving him. Warning

(01:50:10):
so they, said And i'm going to read part of,
this and it's not really a, contract it's not in
the buy sell, contract but it's definitely an email from
the city engineer as to the items you wish to
keep from the, building they would have to be removed
at your cost before we start. CONSTRUCTION i will work

(01:50:32):
to make sure you are well informed as to our
construction time. Frame as we get closer to the exact,
DATES i have put a tickler in my calendar to
start sending you a monthly update starting eleven to, one

(01:50:53):
twenty twenty two with any schedule. Changes so did you
get any kind of emails of, updates like he, promised.

Speaker 12 (01:51:08):
No other than they didn't know when it was going
to happen because it kept getting.

Speaker 5 (01:51:13):
Pushed it kept getting, pushed and then all of a,
sudden it's.

Speaker 12 (01:51:17):
Done call my buddy that, says, hey they're tearing up your.

Speaker 10 (01:51:21):
Road did you? KNOW i, said, no it was WHEN
i drove up there right.

Speaker 5 (01:51:24):
Away not only tearing up your, road but they took
your solar system and junked.

Speaker 10 (01:51:29):
It the building Was, yeah the building was.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
Gone so, Okay so here's WHAT i want to. Know
what does that, Engineer what does that engineer? Say you
you have it right in. FRONT i, mean you have this,
letter it's signed By, mark By Mark, oberschmidt public city.
Engineer what does he.

Speaker 12 (01:51:50):
Say which would that to the Remot, yeah, No, mark.

Speaker 5 (01:51:54):
The one that Said i'm going to put A i'm
going to give you.

Speaker 12 (01:51:57):
Updates oh, yeah he's he retired like six months before
they started this.

Speaker 10 (01:52:02):
PROCESS i guess. WHAT i can't get in touch with.
Him he's. Gone, yeah that's. Why that's WHY i took
it to the.

Speaker 12 (01:52:08):
City SO i, said, hey your engineer told me this
from your city email. Account this is, official it kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:52:17):
IS i don't know if it constitutes a, contract but
it's certainly. Something and when was the last time you
talked to?

Speaker 10 (01:52:26):
Them?

Speaker 12 (01:52:26):
Marks mark's the one that said he'd put it on
his on his, calendar the tickler on his, calendar, Right.

Speaker 5 (01:52:35):
And it SAYS i will work to make sure you
are well informed as to our construction time frame as
we get closer to the exact.

Speaker 12 (01:52:47):
Dates, Yeah i'm a licking.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
Name.

Speaker 5 (01:52:51):
Yeah and but they just didn't do. It and and
you also have emails from another from a woman who
said would sixty days be enough? Time but she works
with the.

Speaker 12 (01:53:03):
City she was the one that actually did all the
paperwork to procure the.

Speaker 5 (01:53:07):
Property is she still?

Speaker 12 (01:53:09):
There she works for Some WESTERN i emailed her about
three months ago and asked her about, this and she
never emailed me.

Speaker 10 (01:53:16):
Back she quickly cut.

Speaker 5 (01:53:18):
Ties you, know you may need to hire an. Attorney
you may need to hire an, Attorney, TOM.

Speaker 12 (01:53:23):
I don't have A, yeah money, Man.

Speaker 8 (01:53:26):
Peter have you thought of maybe contacting the mayor Of Mark,
clark who's the mayor Of.

Speaker 12 (01:53:31):
EVANS i don't even know who he. IS i would
think his team would get in touch with.

Speaker 14 (01:53:36):
Him maybe you have to go contact go to a
city count or maybe go to.

Speaker 5 (01:53:40):
It that's WHAT i was. Thinking go to a city
council meeting and then he has to speak on the.

Speaker 14 (01:53:44):
Agenda they'll listen to, you and then you have six
or seven people listening to your, story and they'll take,
more they'll take action on.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
It, yeah but what do you think the chances of
them truly paying him twenty eight? GRAND i, MEAN i don't.

Speaker 14 (01:53:59):
Think But i'd like to know why they why they
just arbitrarily took his solar.

Speaker 12 (01:54:03):
Panels so CAN i call the cops and tell him
they stole?

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
Them?

Speaker 5 (01:54:07):
No, no, no but you can do.

Speaker 8 (01:54:09):
It you can Go there was.

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
No, listen let's not be. Foolish it was not a.

Speaker 7 (01:54:13):
Crime you know why they would take?

Speaker 8 (01:54:15):
Them you need to go to city council meeting and
ask them that. Question, Peter, oh oh.

Speaker 12 (01:54:22):
No their attorney said they bought because they bought the
property in twenty.

Speaker 14 (01:54:26):
Whenever so when they bought, it they probably considered it
was their property and they could do what they wanted.

Speaker 5 (01:54:33):
Them, no but not with these emails going back and.
Forth he made. It he made it pretty, Clear he
made it pretty clear that he wanted.

Speaker 8 (01:54:41):
Them well they, didn't.

Speaker 10 (01:54:44):
But they released they're not.

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
Mine did they say they destroyed them or do you
think somebody took?

Speaker 18 (01:54:51):
Them?

Speaker 12 (01:54:52):
No They the, guy the head of the contract that
they was there on site said that he asked the.
City mister was the engineer at the, time and he
asked him what was with the. Panels he, SAID i
don't know what's going on with the property or, anything
so just take it all.

Speaker 10 (01:55:06):
DOWN i, said didn't you think that was? Crazy he, said,
YEAH i. Did but she is the.

Speaker 5 (01:55:11):
Boss i'd like to know what the company's going to
do about, it at least it to. You you, know
you could Say, peter.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
But, peter going back and.

Speaker 5 (01:55:22):
Forth, peter here's SOMETHING i want you to keep in. Mind,
truly you didn't do. IT i, mean you didn't do.
It you you can tell the solar COMPANY i have
you go after the. City tell them to go after the.
City they came and destroyed their. Property you. Didn't you
didn't do.

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
It, well.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
Understood have you been paying for that lease since they
let me ask you? Something are they still charging you
the lease? Payment?

Speaker 12 (01:55:52):
No so about a year and a half, AGO i
kept telling him stop you, know contacting me about this
because they had to come out and be. Back we
serviced my solar, system but nobody came and called, out
so they said stop stop paying us until we researched
all this and all this other. Stuff and then after
THAT i had a break in where they stole my

(01:56:13):
control wall on the bottom, floor but all the panels were,
there so when they came out and looked at, it they, said,
yeah all the panels are, There so now they want
their panels, back or they want.

Speaker 10 (01:56:24):
The money for the, least that's what they.

Speaker 5 (01:56:27):
Told, yeah but if you can't give the panels, Back,
like here's What i'm, saying if you had a solar
system and somebody came and stole, IT i, mean it's
not your, fault, right you, know we're Going when was
the last time you heard from the solar? Company?

Speaker 10 (01:56:49):
OH i think it was this last.

Speaker 12 (01:56:50):
Week we sent them up dating in a, Second.

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
What are they when they call? You do they say
where's the? Money?

Speaker 10 (01:56:58):
Oh they send me? Emails and do they ask for?

Speaker 5 (01:57:01):
Payment? Literally do they ask for? Payment? Yeah you know
this is a this is a. Cluster, hey you know
BO i would call up to and bo happens to
be Tag you're. It he's the only one on today.
Bo why don't you call up to the. City do
they have a city manager In evans or he got

(01:57:23):
the phone?

Speaker 8 (01:57:24):
Number why should.

Speaker 5 (01:57:25):
We just call up there during this? Hour let's actually
call up there and, say, listen you guys clearly have
emails back and forth where this guy wanted to take
his solar. System just ask him why they are ignoring.
Him they don't even have to give us an answer
as far as what they're going to do about. It
but why are they ignoring this? Guy this, Guy, Peter

(01:57:48):
i'm with, You. Peter you're. Right you had a promise
from these people and they ignored.

Speaker 14 (01:57:55):
You and he may need to get an attorney to
collect on it if there.

Speaker 5 (01:57:58):
Is, well here's the first, first let's just see what
they say about ignoring.

Speaker 14 (01:58:04):
HIM i think you should call the mayor's Names Mark Clark,
small BUT i, will OKAY i to.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
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we are working on that solar system problem because the

(01:59:38):
city Of evans definitely made this guy some promises and
they're not coming. Through whatever is on your, mind, folks
this is an example of how we can help. You
we're going to try to fight for this guy and
then we can add that money to our. Total he's
going through a battle with. Cancer by the, way my
heart goes out to. Him we Have Shane terry with

(02:00:00):
us From Apple heating And, air and we have some
questions here that we're. Texted i'm trying to Find, okay
MY ac stopped, working and the tech, SAYS i need
a new. System my furnace is working just, fine is?
It DO i have To here's what he wants to.

(02:00:21):
Know DO i have to do a whole new system
or CAN i just do the air? Conditioning that's really
what he's.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
Asking depending on the age of the, furnace anything that's
going to be fifteen years or, older we always recommend
doing a full new.

Speaker 5 (02:00:35):
System and the furnace is cheaper than THE, ac isn't?
It when it or?

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Not, yeah depending on the. Application BUT i mean we've
code upgrades all come into. Play.

Speaker 5 (02:00:45):
Yeah and by the, way the new the newer ones
are all the high efficiency, ones, right not all of.

Speaker 1 (02:00:51):
Them colorado did adopt the new Low knox. Code so
everything's either if it's eighty, percent it's called to be
got to Be Alterra Low, knox or you can still
get eighty percent. Furnaces we. Can we don't always recommend.

Speaker 5 (02:01:05):
It but, yes well hell, No BUT i, MEAN i
guess if your house is, old there's no reason to
get the new super. Duper what's the highest efficiency you
can do right?

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
Now seven? Percent, well we can go all the way
up to ninety nine percent? Efficient come? On is that
is that a heat pump? System that's your gas, furnace
that would be on a.

Speaker 5 (02:01:22):
Gas you can literally get ninety nine percent efficiency on
a gas. Furnace you.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Can, yeah that's gonna be A linux. Product But linux
does offer a ninety nine percent efficient gas. Furnace what's?
Insane it really?

Speaker 5 (02:01:36):
Is what's? SPECIAL i, mean how do they get that
efficiency out of?

Speaker 1 (02:01:39):
It h super so your secondary heat exchange or you're gas.
Venting everything comes into play there and it's but properly
sized equipment is certainly a big thing to get get,
there all.

Speaker 5 (02:01:53):
Right someone wants to know about air, filtering what cut
what solutions do you? Have they want to do a
whole House they have ass she has asthma and wants
to know what kind of whole house air filtering do you?

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
Do electronic air, cleaning media air, cleaning whole?

Speaker 5 (02:02:09):
House what is media air? Clean? Electric electronic air cleaning
is where you pull the air through like a, coil
right zaps the. Air, YEAH i mean you can hear
it zapping, now and then that tells you it's.

Speaker 1 (02:02:21):
Working not so much on new technology only. Technology they.
Don't you don't hear zapping, anymore not as much as.
It but it is literally electronic. Cleaning it is electronic.
CLEANING uv lights is a big.

Speaker 5 (02:02:32):
One, really what you what DO uv lights?

Speaker 1 (02:02:35):
DO Uv light's gonna clump your. Dust it's gonna eliminate
pollens in the, home allergens in the home really ninety
eight percent right?

Speaker 5 (02:02:43):
Now so is that where's? That put it in the furnace.

Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
Room, yes that all goes in the furnace. Room so
your filtration goes in the mechanical room and YOUR uv
light goes in the.

Speaker 5 (02:02:53):
Mechanically someone else is asking about zoning their. System can
you retrofit? Zoning you sure? Can, Yes so that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
Done that's, done, Well, Tom we actually did it in
one of your. Homes you. Did you did some these
little uh event the vent what do you call, Dampers,
yeah the, dampers that's.

Speaker 5 (02:03:13):
Right and they were run by. Air so you put
these little air tubes in the duct work up to
where the vent is and then you put a little
pneumatic motor that opens and closes with. Air that's, right,
YEAH i remember. That what a great. System and you
can feed that little black airline through any duct you, can,

(02:03:35):
Yes and then and then it goes to A honeywell
head right brain or it Was honeywell at the.

Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
Time.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
Honeywell R zel is going to be the pneumatic. Side
honeywell is going to be more your electronics side of the.

Speaker 5 (02:03:49):
Zoning and then what it does is it tells the
system or opens and closes the dampers when.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Needed that's, right, Yep.

Speaker 5 (02:03:58):
And, okay so why is it that a pneumatic system
like that will work and not unbalance the, system but
people when they go to a room and close it,
off it can unbalance the.

Speaker 1 (02:04:09):
System, well with a pneumatic, system we got to take into.
Consideration are we going to have a dump. Zone are
we going to have a bypass zone which going into
different rooms and just shutting down dampers or your. Vents
you're you don't have that protection in, place the dump
zone or the balancing, zone.

Speaker 5 (02:04:29):
Okay whatever that. Is so the brain will compensate for
shutting down that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Air it. Does, Yeah oh, well we have to manually
go in and do a tight, zone, right.

Speaker 5 (02:04:40):
So it always keeps the system in. Balance it, does, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
Variable speed to stage multi stage operation equipment also is
going to help with that.

Speaker 5 (02:04:52):
Forgiveness, now does it need sat in each room or
in each zone each? Zone? Yes? Absolutely so can you
how do you retro those those? Thermostasks can they be? Wireless?

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
Wireless? Yep?

Speaker 5 (02:05:04):
Really are they bluetooth or what? Not?

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
Bluetooth it's called a red link With. Honeywell so it's
got its own radio signals it. Does, yeah that is
pretty damn. Cool so you don't have to run the
wire at, all that's. Right so you, zone like where do?

Speaker 5 (02:05:20):
People most people zone up and down basically two floors
up and.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
Down. Yep so you can do like, basement main, level
upstairs in a two story home or a large ranch.
STYLE a lot of people do the back, end the
back end and the front, end and then the basement
is a.

Speaker 5 (02:05:35):
Zone so and did you Say honeywell is the main
brain right now for?

Speaker 1 (02:05:39):
That depending on, So honeywell does make an electric zoning.
System our zell is going to be your pneumatic.

Speaker 5 (02:05:47):
Zone, okay, okay so the electric, one it's the same,
thing except electric motors instead of.

Speaker 1 (02:05:53):
Air, yeah and they're not going to go down to
each pipe. Individually as for our, zel you can do
each individual supply run going to.

Speaker 5 (02:06:03):
Rooms is zoning mainly for comfort or does it save? Money?
Both it can save money and save.

Speaker 1 (02:06:11):
Money, so for, example if you're heating a large home,
especially that's. Right it doesn't matter the size of the.
Home but and you don't need to heat or cool
a certain area of the home at certain times a.
Day you can shut that off and just heat or
cool the area that is most.

Speaker 5 (02:06:27):
Occupied all, right somebody, says why does my ac smell?
Musty what would cause?

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
That, yeah so that's going to Be the indoor coil
may need clean the blower may be. Cleaned it could
be oversized to where it's freezing and you're getting a
lot of moisture outside that.

Speaker 5 (02:06:44):
Coil so if it's, oversized is there anything you can
do about it to cut down on the on what it?
Draws in other, words what if it is, oversized what
do you do with?

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
That Jen you can go, in you can do some.
Modifications if we can't do modifications to the, home we
can look at system, options replacement, options coming down in,
size going up in, size whatever the.

Speaker 5 (02:07:08):
Opertion so the disadvantage of, oversizing it's not that you
get a better. System you can actually cut down the efficiency.

Speaker 1 (02:07:14):
Absolutely. Yeah so you can short cycle that, system you
can freeze that.

Speaker 5 (02:07:18):
So it keeps going on and off and on and
off with the, overpower with the. Underpower it never turns, off.

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
RIGHT i wouldn't say, never but you're less likely to
go through that short cycling on and. Off and that's
where you want to.

Speaker 5 (02:07:30):
Gain so you've got to have just the right. Balance
that's where the heat loss calculations come. In so why
wouldn't you just replace what they? Have in other, words
if they have a CERTAIN btu, unit you don't trust
that to be. Accurate we do not.

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
Know we go, in we do the heat.

Speaker 5 (02:07:45):
Even though they have let's say whatever. BTUs you won't
just go like.

Speaker 13 (02:07:49):
For LIKE i.

Speaker 1 (02:07:50):
Won't, no so say they have eighty thousand btu's. Home
we never just go in and do a straight. Swap
we always do our due. Diligence.

Speaker 5 (02:07:58):
Manto do you find more to the, time the systems
are pretty accurate with what they.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Have, yeah for the most, part but there is a
lot out there where box swaps have, happened and over
the years it just remains to be way oversized where
people put in new, windows people put in new, insulation
and then all of a sudden that system was extremely.

Speaker 5 (02:08:17):
Oversized oh, really so you can actually go down in
size when you go up in. Efficiency do you guys
still do those energy audits where you do the blower.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Door we don't do them in house, anymore but that's
a great way to. Go have a company come in
do a whole home energy assessment or, audit so.

Speaker 5 (02:08:36):
You have someone you contract out to do.

Speaker 1 (02:08:38):
That we do, not but the best way to do
that is to Contact Excel energy and they have preferred.

Speaker 5 (02:08:44):
Vendors oh they, do they, do and they do the
blower door and they tell you where you're losing the most.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
Heat absolutely. Yep.

Speaker 5 (02:08:51):
Okay and then somebody, SAID i heard you talking about
ceiling duct Where how? Important is?

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
That very? Important so really it. Is, yeah there's way
of doing it. Manually there's ways of doing it going
in and spraying a substance into the duct work and
it'll seal up to a one inch hole really in
the duct.

Speaker 5 (02:09:09):
Work so you don't even, really so you spray it
in with the fan.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
On it has its own fan system that you're pumping this,
in and it just finds us the way through the
system and it'll fill up these.

Speaker 5 (02:09:20):
Gaps and when did you talk about sealing duct? Work
you're not talking about sealing the flexible, ducks, right these
are the, big the big super.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
Metal, yep you're big metal. Ducting all? Right?

Speaker 5 (02:09:31):
Aiden what is going on with?

Speaker 11 (02:09:33):
You?

Speaker 5 (02:09:33):
Aidan i'll start and THEN i got to take a.
Break what's, Happening? Aiden? Yeah you what's?

Speaker 13 (02:09:40):
Happening, Oh i'm, Sorry i'm.

Speaker 18 (02:09:41):
Sure, Yeah i'm looking for a.

Speaker 17 (02:09:43):
Renter you had helped me flow it find a renter one, Time,
robert Remember, robert.

Speaker 19 (02:09:49):
He was he was Almost he would leave it in his.

Speaker 18 (02:09:51):
Corn he help.

Speaker 20 (02:09:52):
Me he moved it to my apartment and he's moving.

Speaker 5 (02:09:55):
Out so oh, really how? Long How? Aiden how Long
robert in your? Place maybe two?

Speaker 19 (02:10:02):
Years?

Speaker 5 (02:10:03):
Yeah so you're looking for another person to? Rent, yes all,
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martino you're a. Troubleshooter aiden says he wants to rent
out part of his. Condo so is this like a
room they're? Renting? Aiden what are they? RENTING i? Mean?

Speaker 20 (02:11:12):
Okay? Aiden, hello, yes.

Speaker 5 (02:11:15):
Sir so what are you renting?

Speaker 19 (02:11:17):
Out i'm reading.

Speaker 18 (02:11:19):
A one bedroom.

Speaker 13 (02:11:20):
Condo it's it's it's like a.

Speaker 20 (02:11:22):
Style of ano town.

Speaker 17 (02:11:24):
Home it's got its own private, inference it's own parking,
space and it's got the it's got its a, closet
and it's got the.

Speaker 5 (02:11:32):
Balcony, Now, AIDEN i, Okay but they're not living there with, you,
Right you're just renting it.

Speaker 20 (02:11:38):
Out, no nobody lives. There, no he's gonna move.

Speaker 19 (02:11:42):
On and somebody's gonna move.

Speaker 20 (02:11:43):
In, YEAH i don't live, There.

Speaker 5 (02:11:44):
Okay, no, NO i get. IT i was. Misunderstood so
you just want to rent out a one bedroom? Condo
and and so let me ask you. SOMETHING i was
told that the rental market is pretty, good is it or?

Speaker 3 (02:11:57):
NOT i don't.

Speaker 20 (02:11:59):
KNOW i don't know what is the rate going down?
There somebody told me maybe sixteen hundred a.

Speaker 18 (02:12:03):
MONTH i don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:12:05):
For a one bedroom. Condo how many square feet is?

Speaker 20 (02:12:07):
It it's probably about six fifty.

Speaker 5 (02:12:11):
Six hundred and. Fifteen location where is?

Speaker 20 (02:12:14):
It it's right On Academy boulevard And.

Speaker 19 (02:12:17):
Union it's a good.

Speaker 20 (02:12:18):
Area it's more. North it's not Downtown.

Speaker 5 (02:12:21):
Springs it's you're Talking Colorado, springs, Right, no, yes, yes,
okay that you know? What we need to get you
on tomorrow when we were are part of our audience
in The springs goes away at. Noon but but, wait

(02:12:41):
we'll still put out your number and we'll get you
back on. Tomorrow. Okay so if you need, help, though,
aiden we'll we'll put you back up. Tomorrow, so BECAUSE
i don't mind helping people out like, That so are
you asking sixteen? Hundred?

Speaker 19 (02:12:56):
No, NO i do one honest people want a good,
place and then good at. Tennis and then For i'm
only asking for fourteen. Fifty that's all he.

Speaker 14 (02:13:07):
Needs to call the ball, tomorrow, okay, yeah, okay Well
i'll have.

Speaker 5 (02:13:11):
It i'll have acts take his information and then we'll
call him back to get him on. Tomorrow so But
i'll give out the number now. Too this this one bedroom,
condo it's really a town?

Speaker 10 (02:13:24):
Home?

Speaker 5 (02:13:25):
Right is he still?

Speaker 19 (02:13:32):
On?

Speaker 5 (02:13:33):
Yes is it it's really a town? Home?

Speaker 20 (02:13:37):
Right, no it's a, condo but the style of it's
like a.

Speaker 5 (02:13:41):
Townhome, okay and you want fourteen. Fifty so that guy
that we sent, you he was there for two. Years, yeah,
okay he's gonna move to another, state he.

Speaker 20 (02:13:55):
Thinks, yeah all.

Speaker 5 (02:13:57):
Right now do they pay their own new? Utilities?

Speaker 3 (02:14:01):
OH i?

Speaker 8 (02:14:01):
Do, really Maybe i'll come move down.

Speaker 5 (02:14:04):
There hold on a. Second you want fourteen fifty and
you pay the? Utilities?

Speaker 20 (02:14:10):
Yeah, Yeah i'm not really active for a LOT i.
DO i do want good, people that's all.

Speaker 5 (02:14:15):
Man that's really a good. Deal what's the phone?

Speaker 20 (02:14:18):
Number it's eight one eight two to zero eight six.

Speaker 5 (02:14:24):
Two, okay so that's that's eight one eight two two
zero eight eight six.

Speaker 20 (02:14:33):
Two, Yes.

Speaker 5 (02:14:37):
Oh, Yeah, Well i'll bet you you'll have this rented out.
Tomorrow if we put this on in the, springs there
might be people listening today that will call you the.

Speaker 20 (02:14:47):
Guy he's gonna. Move he's gonna move. Tomorrow when's he
gonna get? Out and it's good and it's, furnished it's.

Speaker 5 (02:14:54):
Furnished holy, Crap wait a, minute so you're talking fourteen
fifty furnished with. Utilities, yes, man BO i think you
should move down.

Speaker 8 (02:15:08):
THERE i need a break from my three. Kids.

Speaker 17 (02:15:11):
Anyway the, guy he don't want to move his, furniture
he's gonna leave it.

Speaker 5 (02:15:15):
There is it pretty good?

Speaker 20 (02:15:17):
Furniture, WELL i gotta go down there and LOOK i go.

Speaker 18 (02:15:20):
Today i'm gonna go.

Speaker 17 (02:15:21):
Check i'm pretty sure because he was happy with the
stuff THAT i had, there the best still. There, well
he didn't like the double lean.

Speaker 20 (02:15:29):
Back he told me to throw that, out so he
probably put.

Speaker 5 (02:15:32):
Back, hey, Listen, heyden do do us a favor when
you go over, there take a, few take a few, picks,
okay and send him to. Us, hey acts get this
guy on tomorrow and maybe we can get some picks from. Him,
dan what is your? Question? Dan welcome to the. Show what's?

Speaker 18 (02:15:53):
Happening, OKAY i had an incident with a. Deer deer
luck my turk a lot and so uh she ran
into the side of. It SO i wonder MY i
GOT i Have sisko Or Liberty. Mutual now it went
To Liberty mutual From sisco they joined.

Speaker 13 (02:16:15):
Together do you still.

Speaker 18 (02:16:17):
Like michael's autobody shop in The Castle rock that's the,
world you?

Speaker 11 (02:16:21):
Know?

Speaker 5 (02:16:22):
Well, yeah, yeah we love. Him but he, actually let
me put it this, way he sold to some other.
People but we're getting good reports about. Him they're not.
Bad it's not the, same it's not the same. Ownership,
okay but he's but we hear, that we hear that

(02:16:43):
the new owner is pretty.

Speaker 18 (02:16:44):
Good do you know anybody who you like? Better the
best shop?

Speaker 3 (02:16:49):
Around?

Speaker 9 (02:16:49):
Well are?

Speaker 5 (02:16:50):
You are you in that?

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
Area?

Speaker 18 (02:16:53):
No, No I'm i'm. It Does i'll go.

Speaker 5 (02:16:56):
Somewhere, NO i understand you're willing to drive. Somewhere so
you're just looking for a good body.

Speaker 18 (02:17:03):
Shop, Basically i'm just looking for somebody who's really screat
and really does good work and doesn't screw it.

Speaker 5 (02:17:11):
Up you know. What let me let me look. HERE
i have some people in. Mind let me see WHAT
i can, find you, know a full scale body. Shop,
yeah let me let me think here we have a paintless.
Dent you, know we used to have a number of
body shops on the referral, list BUT i don't see.

(02:17:33):
ANY i don't see any on there except for paintless dent.
Repair so hold on a sec and let me let
me do some. RESEARCH i think that we had a
couple that are still really pretty. Good caliber is one of.
Them have you heard Of? Caliber do you like? That

(02:17:53):
they're pretty? Good and ALSO i would still If michael's
is pretty. GOOD i just got a text from some one, Saying,
tom you, know they're pretty, good the new people that took,
over SO i wouldn't count them. Out it's a little
out of the way for, you Probably Castle, rock but
you know they they and we also had One Aurora.

(02:18:17):
Autobody they always did a good. Job aurora old.

Speaker 18 (02:18:23):
BODY i might just go down. There i'm closer To.
Denver but the truck is very. Drivable it doesn't look very,
bad but everything super expensive that it damaged the left
front fender just a little, bit and The chevy the twenty,
seventeen the light bulb a, bult the thing that holds

(02:18:46):
the light. Bulb the fixture is very expensive and they,
cracked so all, right it ends up being a lot of.
Money BUT i might drive down.

Speaker 12 (02:18:54):
There AND i would do.

Speaker 8 (02:18:56):
THAT i.

Speaker 5 (02:18:56):
WOULD i would still go To. Michael's we got more
coming right off THREE o three seven one THREE a
two five five