The Troubleshooter 06-11-26

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Forty five years strong, solving your problems, answering questions, taking complaints.
This is the Troubleshooter Show Now Tom Marcino, Hey, good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is John Fuller for the Troubleshooter Network. We are
here to solve your problems, take your complaints, answer questions,
do what we can do to help you out. This
is the longest running show of its type. In the
studio today we have Deputy d otherwise known as Dimitri,
wonderful resource for us.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
We have.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Doc here in the studio, doctor ken H looking out
for us, helping out. And we have the very esteemed
guest today of doctor Joel Churnack, who is with Denver
Regenerative Medicine. Good morning, Thank you, Good morning John. How
are you. I'm doing great, good good. So I have
John Fuller. I am a personal injury attorney. I have

(00:58):
been so for twenty five five years in the Denver area.
So I actually know a little bit about doctor Churdak.
We've crossed paths, if you will, once or twice over
the years. Doctor Cherdak is in his among his many achievements,
is a chiropractor, and we used to have he used
to treat some of my clients in years of past.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Are you still practicing chiropractic. No, I'm just running the
regenerative fact.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I thought so. So that's I wasn't really sure about that.
So we are here. It's going to be a great show.
I've got a million questions. We're going to talk today
about all things stem cells, regenerative medicine, uh P, RP.
We're going to talk a little bit about you know,
how that might play into your health plan. We're going
to talk about g LP ones, We're going to talk

(01:47):
about peptides. We're going to talk about kind of just
the broader future of regenerative medicine. When when I think
I last met you, you were bragging about a new
centrifuge that you just incorporated in your practice, and I
think you were just really starting to use PRP and
in the treatment of injury cases and stuff. I think

(02:10):
that was about the timeframe, wasn't.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
It many moons ago? I believe that that you're probably correct.
I mean that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, that would have been a situation. So the world
has come a long way in the last twelve or
thirteen years in the way that we think about treatment
protocols like PRP and stem cells and some of the
quote alternative treatment, and so we're going to get into
that today. We are here for you, so give us
a call. The phone number is three H three seven

(02:37):
one three eight two five five. It doesn't have to
be limited to discussions about stem cells or health. We're
here for anything and everything that you have, be it landlord, tenant,
be it your automobile, be it scams that you want
to warn people about, trouble that you've had with contractors
or other businesses that you've been working with, anything and everything.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
John, I think we should also introduce a new game
to this show called do I Have a Case? Well,
and people, now that you're in the studio, people could
call up and say, Hey, I slipped on a banana
peel like in the cartoons, and I did that in
front of Walmart.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Do I have a case? Okay? Three three Martino folks
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We will take your do I have a Case calls
as well as all the other problems in the world.
So that's what we're here for, you know. It's it's
it's a wide open format and we look forward to

(03:34):
any and all of your calls. So, Uh, first thing, first,
doctor Churick, tell us what's new in your world? What's
going on with your practice? Uh?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Well, one thing I want to clarify for the listeners.
You know, although I am a chiropractor, all the procedures
are done by medical doctors that are employed in our clinic,
including when we do GLP one and peptide prescriptions. Those
are all managed and supervised by a medical doctor. So
I just want to make that clarification that I own
the clinic, and I run the clinic, and I know

(04:01):
all the information, but I'm not the doctor who's doing
the actual procedures.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
But you're not just some guy that rolled in off
the street. You've got many, many years of hands on
treatment of injuries and health management and that kind of stuff,
So you come from at least a unique perspective that
allows you to talk about all these different protocols, right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Well, I mean I like to think of myself as
a visionary who's kind of ahead of the curve on
these medical procedures. You know, although I can't perform them
because I don't have a I'm not a medical doctor.
I've done a lot of teaching medical doctors what this
is all about and how to do it. So yeah,
I do have a white breath of knowledge going back
many years on this.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I just wanted to make that clarification.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
So yeah, I just a little bit of background on
how we got to this point. When I met John
many years ago, I was practicing as a chiropractor with
a lot of other professionals in my clinic, and we
did basic rehabilitation and we handled a number or of
personal injury cases, treating those accident victims. And then I

(05:05):
saw the effect of stem cell therapy on one of
my patients. And it was right at the beginning of
when stem cell therapy was becoming a thing that people
were starting to notice was useful. And one of my
patients had degenerative ne arthritis and he was looking at
a joint replacement surgery and he had heard about stem
cell therapy, and the doctor that was performing the procedure

(05:26):
at the time was kind enough to let me observe
and see what he was doing. And I saw that,
and I saw miraculous results. And somebody that needed a
knee replacement surgery that had bone arthritis, as it was described,
be able to be very functional and have significant improvement
and be able to avoid surgery. And so you know,
this is going back maybe fifteen years now, and at

(05:49):
the time, I thought, Wow, this is miraculous. You're using
the body's own material, you're not using drugs, you're not
using surgery. You're just extracting stem cells from a patient,
injecting them in a constant way back into the effected joint,
and you're getting this amazing result with no rehabilitation, with
no downtime, with no cutting into the body and creating.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Scar tissue and all that.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
However, at the time, the price was really pretty exorbitant
and it was out of most people's ability to pay.
Fast forward a couple of years and I was interviewing
medical doctors to work in my clinic, and one of
the doctors I was interviewing had just finished his training
as a physical medicine and rehabilitation doctor, and during his

(06:31):
training they had taught him in school to do these
stem cell procedures. So because he knew how to do it,
because I knew how powerful it was, I thought to myself, like,
this is the future, this is where I need to
focus my practice. So sort of changed things around and
started offering this as a.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Procedure for people.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
And because we were one of two clinics in the
Greater Metro Denver area doing this, We've got a ton
of business and people were coming in and we were
getting great results.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And you know, ever since then.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I've expanded the clinic to be a regenerative medicine and
rehabilitation clinics, so we do stem cell therapy. You know,
these days, the field has really grown to where we
have the option of really customizing somebody's treatment plan because
at this point, companies that produce in bilical core derived

(07:22):
stem cells that we can obtain those products work just
as well or better in some cases than a person's
own stem cells. And I would say it's only been
about the past like four or five years that that
technology has gone to the point where I feel comfortable
saying that these are just as good.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
So so truth be told, stem cells are not really
a new technology. They've been around for what almost thirty
years now that we've been kind of advancing the technology
and learning the true potential of stem cells in a
restorative environment.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yes, that's correct, I would say, when you're going back
that far, I don't know, you know, a lot of
us will remember the controversy about embryonic research going back
to the early two thousands, and you know, they were
doing stem cell research on embryonic stem cells then. So yeah,

(08:13):
where you're talking about like looking at stem cells and
seeing the advocacy of stem cells, Yeah, that goes back
probably thirty years.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
You have to go.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
It's a little bit more recently that people started realizing
that they could use stem cells from a patient's own body.
Take them out of bone marrow, take them out of fat,
isolate them, concentrate them, inject them back into the body,
and get this profound effect.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
That's a little bit newer. So just kind of a
funny anecdote.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
When I first started doing this back in twenty fourteen,
most of the questions that people would initially ask me
when I spoke to them is where are you getting
these stem cells? Are you getting them from embryos? And
to explain like, we're no, we're not killing babies. We
get them from you. You know, but those questions are
don't People are much more educated these days.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
But we went through a phase, though, did we not
that where you kind of had two classes of you know,
regenerative medicine providers. If you Will. You had the people
like like your clinic and the other the other big
clinic here in town that's that's been around and you know,
on the cutting edge of the technology. But then you

(09:21):
also had a lot of just run of the mill
chiropractors that were that were deriving their stem cells through
amniotic fluid and stuff, and and that I found to
just be, for lack of a better word, a complete
waste of time. It wasn't the level of sim cell
technology that we're talking about today. Any any ideas you

(09:42):
had about the technology back in those days. It's just
very different today. It's it's a whole new world, a
whole new technology, a whole new procedure everything, right.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Yeah, Well, you know, it's funny that you mentioned it
and spoke about it in that way. And that's part
of the reason why I gave that caveat a little
bit earlier, is because you know, I'm not one of
those chiropractice that just hires somebody that's qualified to do
an injection do it like I hire, you know, trained
board certified medical doctors to do these procedures, because they
do take a bit of technical skill, especially when you're

(10:15):
talking about extracting stem cells from a patient. So the
biggest difference between those clinics that you just spoke about,
which a lot of them don't even exist anymore, and
what we do is that, you know, you cross the
threshold when you're talking about doing a procedure to extract
stem cells from a person's own body, and none of
those clinics had the credentials to be able or the
training to be able to do that. And really, you know,

(10:39):
using your own stem cells in most cases is really
the most effective treatment that you can get. Like I
you know, I said, I mentioned earlier that now the
technology has got to the point where in Biblical court
derived stem cells in some cases work just as well.
But oftentimes we try to mix those with a patient's
own stem cells. And you know, if you don't have
a trained medical doctor who's trained to do the extraction procedure,

(11:02):
you're really cutting out a big part of the procedure
that may be you know, extremely effective.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, I agree. So we're going to take our first
break here, but when we come back, we're going to
talk about much more of this kind of stuff. We
want to get into who the who the person is
that can derive the greatest benefit from these modern technologies,
and we're going to kind of go into the different
ones that you offer and go down that road. So

(11:28):
if we can answer your direct questions along these lines,
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Speaker 2 (12:12):
All right, we are back live and studio doctor Joel
Cherdak is with us. My name is John Fuller. I'm
an attorney here in town. We are here to solve
your problems, take complaints, answer questions. Really, there's no topic
off limits. If we can't solve your problem in the studio,
we have an elite addre of experts in the field
across the state and country that are here at your disposals.

(12:35):
So give us a call. We're here to help you. Tyler.
We're going to go to as the first caller today
has a question about land. What's going on, Tyler? Oh,
I appreciate you taking my call, of course.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Yes, my mom just recently passed and I came across
some letters that she had that were from the US
Department of Interior, the brew of Trust Fund Administration, and
I noticed I was going through this and she has
quite a bit of land, and I'm trying to figure

(13:11):
out how I should go about this.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, where's this land located?

Speaker 6 (13:21):
This land is located in South Dakota, Okay.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Is it land that she owns? The simple or are
we talking about things like like mining claims or what
type of land are we talking here?

Speaker 6 (13:33):
It looks like, from my understanding, some of it's used
for agriculture, some of the use for.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
Roads, and.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Looks like maybe a little bit of mining.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Tyler, like resources.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Teller, why is the government writing her letters about this land?
Is there something they want or is it something they're
offering her?

Speaker 6 (13:58):
It kind of looks like there's a few roads going
through the land. That says, uh, see here, Yeah, the
State of South Dakota Department and Transportation looks like it
has a highway and roads running through in a couple
of spots.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
So are they trying to pay rent? Well? Have you
looked into the title on this property to see if
it's actually held by your mom? Or what else? Do
you have.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
Just the paperwork that I had from those letters?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
So what is the What did the letters say? What
are they asking you or telling you about this property?

Speaker 6 (14:39):
I'll see here this first letter, you see that this
is attached tracks land you own, and then restricted interests
are available for lease.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
So Tyler is more about lease? Tyler's saying staying.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Let's put this in proper perspective. What precipitated your call
to to us? How can we actually be of help?

Speaker 6 (15:11):
You know, I knew my mom owned land, I never
really looked into it until he gave me these letters and.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
The how how long has your mom been gone?

Speaker 6 (15:21):
Now, let's see a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that, Tyler. Tyler, are
you the executor of her estate?

Speaker 6 (15:34):
She didn't leave any beneficiaries?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Does she have a will? She have a will or
a trust? None? None?

Speaker 5 (15:42):
Okay, you know what I Why don't we get our
wills and trust's attorney on the phone?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Acts? Can you?

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Can you give Dan mackenzie a call, see if he's available, Tyler?
The reason I was asking about you know how long
your mom is gone is you know, real estate taxes
are due on all of that land, so you don't
want to wait too long or you might actually lose it.
But if there are highways and byways running through it,
that might be valuable land.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
If it's agricultural. Did your mom die in Colorado or
or out of state?

Speaker 6 (16:11):
In Colorado?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
She was in Colorado? Okay, Yeah, let's get Dan on
the phone if we can, and and and try to
get some answers to your questions. Can you hang on
just a moment there, Tyler? Absolutely, I appreciate that. So
we're gonna keep going a little bit in our discussion
from before, and we'll see if we can't get Dan
McKenzie on the line to answer Tyler's question. Uh, lines

(16:33):
are open if you want to call in with your
own question. Seven one, three, eight, two five five is
the number? Three oh three is the area code? I
guess the first question I have for you, Joel, is like,
who is your who's your ideal patient? Who should really
be thinking about? You know, I'm getting older, I've got

(16:56):
these aches and pains and stuff. I kind of envision
that people are have a crossroad they have to choose from.
Do they want to go traditional medicine and and mask
the pain and kind of go that route orthopedics and stuff,
or to go more of an alternative regenerative philosophy and
their treatment. Who is that patient? What do they look like?

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Well, you know, as we all, like you mentioned, as
we get older, we all start to get aggs and pains,
and it's just part of life. And you know, when
that process starts, or before that even that process starts,
is when you want to have a regenerative medicine facility
or doctor that you're working with. So like just taking
hormone replacement therapy and testosterone replacement therapy for men as

(17:41):
an example. You know, people, when you're after the age
of thirty is when your testosterone starts to decrease, and
that's really when your body starts to go over the hill,
if you will, and starts to you know, degenerate. So
you know, the ideal patient is is anybody who wants
to feel better as they get older, you know, so
that would be for like hormone replacement therapy, somebody who's

(18:02):
in there early to mid thirties that's starting to feel
a little bit tired, a little bit sluggish. It's worthwhile
to have your testosterone levels checked if you're a man,
your hormone levels checked if you're a woman, to see
if you're early in the acceleration of the process of
declining in your production of those hormones. Now, when we're
talking about stem cell therapy to repair joints, the degenerative

(18:25):
process can also start really early. So you know, we
often see patients for stem cell therapy evaluations after they've
seen their orthopedic surgeon and the orthopedic surgeon is telling
them you're eventually going.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
To need a joint replacement surgery.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
You know, an ideal patient would see us before they
saw the orthopedic surgeon, so we could say, let's arrest
this degenerative process and stop it from progressing early so
that you maintain the integrity of your joint for the
rest of your life, rather than waiting for it to
become so degenerative. You're looking at options other than surgery.
Now that being said, we treat people that have been

(18:59):
told they have bone on bone arthritis all the time,
you know, and it's misleading that term. Everybody's heard that
term bone on bone arthritis. What that means is that
the cartilage has become so thin that you're not really
seeing much of a joint space on an X ray.
But it doesn't mean technically that the bones are literally
bone on bone. If that were the case and there
was no cartilage, the joint would fuse, right. So as

(19:21):
long as there's some cartilage there and is you can
move the joint at all, that means that there is
we can treat that. And you know that's our typical patient.
But you know, back to your question, who is an
ideal patient and be somebody who's just starting to feel
pain in a joint, who's just starting to show signs
of degenerate arthritis and wants to stop that before it
gets any worse as a preventative measure.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
All right, So that opens the door to a number
of other questions. We're going to real quickly get another
break in and then we'll be right back and we'll
hopefully have an expert on the line for Tyler and
then we'll get to some of those other questions.

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Speaker 2 (20:31):
All right, welcome back, John Fuller here sitting in for
Tom Martino and the Troubleshooter Network, and we are here
to help you.

Speaker 9 (20:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
You can give us a call at three O three
seven one three eight two five five or at help
at troubleshooter dot com. In the studio, we have uh,
we have doc we have Dimitri, and we have doctor
Joel Cherdak here with Denver Regenerative Medicine. And we were
just talking about kind of the who the appropriate patient is, uh,

(21:00):
you know what kind of options that people have out there.
Just in full disclosure, I actually had themselves into a
rotator cuff tear in my shoulder five years ago today actually,
and I just looked that date up because I didn't
know how long it had been. But you know, the
decision process for me was pretty simple. I went to

(21:20):
an orthopedic surgeon, and of course, like all orthopedic surgeons,
they wanted to perform surgery because that's what surgeons do.
And I have had so many clients that have had
torn rotator cuffs, injured shoulders, that kind of stuff, that
have had surgeries that just don't get great results, and
the rehab sucks. It takes months and months to get

(21:43):
back to square one. Many of them never do achieve
full range of motion. Some have other things like frozen
limbs and stuff that come up that they just never
they never achieve full functionality post surgery. And so I
explored this themselves. I did the research, and I went

(22:05):
and had the procedure, and I have to say it
just an amazing outcome, Just an amazing outcome. And the
proof in the footing for me was at the six
month mark, we went back in. I went back in
and we pulled up the ultrasound and the MRIs that
were done before, and you could clearly see a void
where the tear in my shoulder was on the one screen,

(22:28):
and then we superimposed the image six months after and
it's just gone. I mean it's just gone and completely healed.
I have completely fine motion. I could barely lift this
arm at the time, and it was a full thickness tear.
You know, it was a significant tear in my shoulder
that has just grown back and healed up and is fine.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Joe, what was that process like? Was it like one
shot or was it a series of treatments? But you
have to do certain exercises like eat more carrots or what.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
So there's a couple of different aspects to it. Number
one is and Joe, you can speak better to this
than I can, but but you you very much need
to have your nutrition and your body in the right
place before a procedure like this. So I was instructed
to cut out you know, no alcohol, no tobacco, no this,

(23:23):
no that, and I mean dietary stuff a month before
the procedure and then I think two or three months
afterwards was recommended because you want to give your body
the best chance to heal instead of having these other
toxins and stuff going around. And so for me it
was so important I followed that religiously. I mean, I
wanted this to work. It was a lot of money

(23:44):
and I didn't want to take any chance it on
it not working. As far as the procedure went for me,
it involved a three day process where the first day,
I believe, was a prolo therapy type application where they
they basically inject sugar water into your shoulder and it

(24:05):
and it's it just in flames and and and causes
your body to send a lot of blood to the
to the area. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going
off off of memory, say again, yeah. And then the
second day we did the stem cells I believe, and
then the third day we did PRP on top of it.
And I could be wrong about that. We could have
done PRP and then the stem cells, but either way,

(24:28):
it was a three day progression. And at the end
of it, I mean, I'd looked like I had been
on a quail hunt with Dick Cheney and got shot
by the bird shot. I was, you know, So.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Were the stem cells injected?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Was it like they extract the stem cells from your
your iliot crest or the top of your hip bone
out the fact, completely painless procedure. I didn't even know
what happened. I was kind of laying there in a
little foggy state, and they're like, okay, we're done, and
I had no knowledge that they had even inserted a
needle at all. It was completely painless. They injected my

(25:01):
stem cells back into my shoulder well like right after that,
the same day, same procedure. It was actually maybe it
was the same day that they actually injected the stem cells,
but everything else, the blood drops had been done a
day or two before because they had to spin those
out and it takes quite a bit of blood to
get enough PRP to do an effective injection, so they

(25:21):
had to pull all that out. And I believe they
did the stem cells on the same day, So it
was taken out that morning, came back after lunch, reinjected
them back in the next day. I was very sore,
you know, my shoulder was very sore, but not because
of the stem cells, just because it had had forty injections,

(25:42):
you know, in a small area, so you're obviously going
to have some soreness from that. But for me, on it.
Maybe day two I was starting my rehab and I
went all the way back to like half pound dumbbells,
almost nothing, and just starting starting to work on them.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Joe, What does that do? Why do you have to
lift weights after that injection? Well, does it like circulate
stuff throughout that area?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Is that what it's for?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
No, Typically, if you've got an injury like John had,
you're going to develop some weakness over time just from
not being able to use it, just from your arm
being nonfunctional.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I think your mic is off there, Joe, if you
want to, yeah, there we go. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
No, what I was saying is that you probably lost
some muscle and you probably lost some strength in that
arm over the period of time you had the injury,
So you want to just get your strength to back.
It doesn't really necessarily have much to do with whether
the stem cells are going to work or not. It
has to do with you having a decrease in pain
and be able to restore that joints a full function.
So the procedure that you described is something that's kind

(26:46):
of an older model of how these are done. So
the way we do the procedure, there's no need for
the prolotherapy anymore. We can do this in a three
hour block at the most. So the things that we've
changed so very similarly. We use the patient's owned stem cells.
In a lot of cases, we use stem cells from

(27:07):
their hip like you described, and also a reservoir of
stem cells in your body is your fat, your abdominal fat,
so you can get stem cells from both places. Most
clinics either choose one or the other, depending on how
the doctor was trained. In our facility, we use a
combination of both. So if you come in, we're going
to take stem cells from your hip, We're going to

(27:28):
take stem cells from your abdominal fat. In a lot
of cases, we will also add inmbilical cord derived stem
cells to that mixture as well. Exosomes, which are relatively new,
accelerate the whole process of healing. They're almost the best
way I can describe them is it acts as fertilizer
for the stem cells.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Gotcha.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
So those things, and then we use like you said,
you had pup on a separate day, so we just
do the PRP. We add that to the stem cell mixture,
and that all goes in at once with the exozome,
So everything combined together under ultrasound, we inject those so
we'll find the tear that you were discussing, inject that
combination of stem cells in bilical cord stem cells, PRP

(28:11):
and exosomes all in one syringe, and inject that into
the damaged area. Whether it's a muscle tear like a
tendon tear like you're discussing, or whether it's a degenerative
joint or in a lot of cases with a shoulder,
both we'll inject inside the joint and inject also the
tears of the rotator cuff tenants. So you're in and
out of our clinic in three hours of the most.

(28:33):
And then, whereas before and you probably experienced this, it
takes It used to take like three to four weeks
before you started to notice a significant improvement. Now in
your case it might have been different, but that was
typical for a patient. Now that we've been able to
add exosomes to the mixture, that process has been basically
cut in half. So patients are typically reporting a noticeable

(28:56):
improvement by about the two to three mark week mark.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Interesting. Yeah, for me, it was it was just a
slow process and I just went back to you know,
basically nothing. And and part of the early was just
to get the shoulder moving because it was not happy
with all those all those injection you know, scars if
you will, and stuff, so just getting it moving and stuff.

(29:20):
But but I was just insistent on doing the full
rehab and taking my time and being smart about the
exercises I was doing, and and then I couldn't be
happier with the outcome. And I don't have a scar,
I don't have a you know, a surgical history. What
I spent on the procedure and I have no idea
what today's rates are and stuff. But what I spent
on the procedure was probably about what my deductible would

(29:43):
have been for my health insurance had I gone the
traditional surgical route. And so for me, it was a
no brainer. So we're going to go to another break
here real quick, and we'll come right back and talk
about a little bit more.

Speaker 10 (29:55):
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Speaker 2 (30:34):
We're back on the air. So, hey, good afternoon, John
Fuller here on the Troubleshooter Network. We are back live
in studio talking with doctor Joel Chardak about all things
stem cells, and we have a number of other topics
coming up, So get your calls in if you have
questions about any of the new and exciting technologies that
are out there that can help you get better without
going under the knife and going kind of the traditional

(30:56):
surgical methods that have been around forever and ever and ever.
So uh, we'll get back to that. We are going
to go to a caller. We've got Camilla on the
land or on the phone that is calling about a
referral for a plumber in Pueblo. What's going on, Camilla, Hey.

Speaker 11 (31:13):
Thank you for taking my call. I affectionately call myself
a Tom Martine referral list frequent flyer.

Speaker 12 (31:21):
Well great, great trolley and I've used.

Speaker 11 (31:24):
Father daughter plumbing before with excellent results.

Speaker 13 (31:29):
Great, and so so.

Speaker 11 (31:31):
I'm looking for a plumber in Pueblo. So two things,
actually looking for a plumber in Pueblo, and then I'm
also looking to find out I know I've I've heard
Tom talk about a little while back there was a
hailstorm that came through and he was able to use

(31:53):
one of your companies to get the correct settlement on
his on his.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Talking about a public adjustion.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
Yeah, Paragon, I'm using them right now. Okay, Yeah, so Cimilia,
if I understood, tell me about Yeah. So, I take
it you had some hail damage to your roof and
have you already made a claim with your homeowner's policy
on this? No?

Speaker 11 (32:18):
So, actually what has happened is I'm calling on behalf
of my son who has damage at his home in Pueblo.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Oh okay, but.

Speaker 11 (32:27):
I didn't know if they only do roofing.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
Oh no, Paragon handles. Paragon handles all kinds of claims.
In fact, I have no roofing damage. I just have
flooded flood damage from the dipstick that lives upstairs from me.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Case, here's what I did. So.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
His name is Matt A. Paragon Insurance Services. He's based
in Colera Springs actually, and I'll give you.

Speaker 11 (32:49):
His phone awesome.

Speaker 5 (32:51):
Yeah, i'll give you his phone number here in a minute.
Here's what I did before I even made a claim.
I engaged Matt's services because I correctly that American Family
Insurance is going to try to screw me on this,
and so so I sent what's called an uh engagement
letter to Matt. And so that authorizes Matt to start

(33:13):
the claim process from me, so that I didn't screw
it up from the beginning, you know, like say something
I shouldn't say, or or just I'm.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Just taking rid of the process.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
So if you call Matt and I'll give you I'll
give you his phone number here in a second, he'll
be able to start the whole process with you. And
we've had plenty of people here. Mark has used him.
Mark Mark Major had a claim and I can't remember
if it was a flood or a haill claim, but
his insurance company offered him a nice round number John
of zero, and Matt got involved, and I think he

(33:47):
got paid in the tens of thousands of dollars for
legitimate damage.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It wasn't like a scammer or anything. So are you?
Are you someone where you can write this down?

Speaker 11 (33:55):
Yeah, I'm parked, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
Okay, his name is Matt, a paragon in insurance services. Hey,
make sure to tell him Dmitri sent you.

Speaker 11 (34:03):
Okay, Okay, I sure well, g I m I t Ri.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I close enough, close enough, he knows who Dimitri is.
I'm gonna just I don't want to He'll answer this.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
This is cell number even all right, seven to one
nine seven seven two six.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Seven zero zero two zero zero zero to zero. I
got it.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Yeah, he'll come out, take a look at this thing,
write up the engagement letter, and he'll start the process
from start to finish. We're gonna have to take a
little bit of a break right now. But hang on
the line because I have two great suggestions for plumbers
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Speaker 2 (35:25):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
This is the Troubleshooter Show No. Tom Martino.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Hey, good afternoon. This is John Fuller filling in for
Tom Martino on the Troubleshooter Network, and we are glad
to have you in the house. We've got several calls
sacked up here. We're going to try to work through
some of them. Tyler Uh Tyler called us about his
mom's estate. His mom apparently owns a fair amount of land,
and we're trying to work through that. Tyler, our expert

(35:53):
is unavailable as the moment, but we're communicating the text
message with him. So we don't want to dismissive of
your issues here and we want to help. Have you
had time to read more thoroughly into those letters and
tell us exactly what the BLM or or whoever the
governmental entity is telling you.

Speaker 13 (36:14):
About the land.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Again going through it's more like a lease, okay, like
your mother may have leased that property to an oil
and gas company or something like that, or.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Yeah, and it's more of like an individual, like like
a Indian account. It's called like it holds royalties.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
Oh that's great, John, I got an idea. Why don't
we ask what do you think of this? Since since
Dan Mackenzie, our estates and trust lawyer, is unavailable today,
let's ask Tyler to email us those letters. Yeah, and
then we can kind of familiarize ourselves with the issues
and also forward them Tyler, if that's okay with you,

(37:01):
we'd like to forward them to our attorney and maybe
get both of you guys on the line tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, let's do that, Tyler. I want to take you
off the line right now. Adam's going to get your
contact information and give you an email address and all
those to us. We're going to do what we can
to be prepared, and we'd like to have you back
on the show tomorrow. Is that all right?

Speaker 10 (37:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (37:20):
As far as tomorrow, Yeah, we'k tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
A right, Well, we can set another time that it
works for your calendar, but we'll do that offline. Adam
will take your information right now. So thanks for the call, Tyler.
We'll get you back as soon as we can to
get things figured out. So back to Camilla, who's looking
for a plumber in Pueblo. We also have Charlie with
Euro on the phone. He'd like to offer his assistance

(37:43):
to Camilla. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (37:45):
Charlie listening to the show.

Speaker 10 (37:49):
And willing to talk to Kamila a little bit about
what her issue is and how to get a solution
for Charlie.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Does Euro plumbing work down there?

Speaker 10 (37:59):
And the wait service anywhere in the Denver area and
down we go about ninety miles round trip.

Speaker 7 (38:08):
He will even go more.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
Oh, okay, well the blow is way down there, so
keep that in mind. But it's great to know that
you're a plumbing goes down there sometimes. Camilla, can you
tell Charlie what your plumbing problem is?

Speaker 14 (38:20):
Hi? How are you so?

Speaker 11 (38:22):
I'm not a plumber? I'm I will tell you, but
I know when to hire an expert. So the issue
is that my son has a finished basement. He lives
in Pueblo. He went to the laundry room is downstairs,
as is a couple of other rooms that's completely finished.
Went downstairs and stepped onto the carpet and it was

(38:43):
soaking wet.

Speaker 15 (38:45):
Don't believe that the water It's.

Speaker 11 (38:47):
Right, it's not coming from the bathroom because the bathroom
floor is dry. Nothing in the shower, there's nothing, you know,
no signs of water in the toilet or in the
that it came up out of the toilet or the sink.
So it has to be coming from the We believe
the water heater.

Speaker 14 (39:07):
There is some.

Speaker 11 (39:11):
Discoloration on one of the pipes that goes out of
the water heater, so he turned that off. But we
need to have that pipe prepared and what we need
to we need to find out what the source of
the water is.

Speaker 12 (39:28):
I'll just put it like that, all right, Well.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
That sounds like.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
Something that yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, that sounds like something that'd be right up of
professionals Alley. We can make sure that you have the
contact information for Charlie and.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
Charlie, does that sound like something that you're a plumber?
Can send a technician or a plumber down there, especially
since you're running the sauce of special on your water heaters.

Speaker 10 (39:54):
Well, yes that can, but a couple of questions. You
up copper, sure, Yes, that's copper, okay, And when you
say this coloration, is it like a green and a
black color almost looks like a mole growing on the outside.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Of it.

Speaker 11 (40:14):
I know what that looks like. This actually is white
and I don't know if it's because of you know,
calcium or something in the water there, but it's white
and it almost looks like it's bubbly.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Does that okay?

Speaker 10 (40:29):
What sounds you might do for me is they'll give
you my phone number and it's put me a picture
to it. But it sounds like in the Denver area,
in all of Colorado, there is a very huge problem
with copper developing pinholes in it, some pretty rapidly, especially

(40:52):
if it's on the hot water side. The issue is
if that is technically what the problem is. You probably
have over one hundred weeks throughout ols and it takes
up to two years for those to start showing up.
So but that's something we can determine when we're down there.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Charlie, let's not scare Camilla to death right now.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
What what phone numbers should can you use to get
a hold of you to schedule them?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Camilla, We're going to put you on hold right now
and we'll get you that phone number directly with Charlie
so that you can text that information over to him. Charlie,
thank you so much for calling in and and and
and telling us what to expect on this one. So
good luck, Camilla. Appreciate your call and hopefully that works out.
Stay in touch with us. Okay, Uh, Next we're going

(41:43):
to go to Nancy. Nancy is on the line. How
can we help you today, Nancy?

Speaker 14 (41:49):
Uh, my daughter is an e ERC, which is the
Eating Recovery disorder or center. Okay, they surtitor again. So
she's not supposed to get out until October. But her work.
If she loses her job, which they've extended it until August,

(42:10):
then she's out of insurance and then ERC will kick
her out. But meanwhile then she'd come home and have
no job, no insurance, and be nothing and no retirement.
I know that she can go to court, but I

(42:31):
don't know if if she doesn't win, I don't know
what to do. I guess I don't know what to
do to help.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So your daughter is in a facility right now for
eating related disorders? Is that correct? And she's going to
be there until October? And is she there on her
on her own? Or is she how is how did
she come to wind up in this facilt Well?

Speaker 14 (43:01):
This this is so believed on this is the fifth
time she's been at r C. But she they go,
they go to they start out with ACUTE, which is
a refeeding medical facility, and they were getting ready to
send her to ERC, which is just they fatten her up.

(43:24):
But they they she wanted to volunteer, but Acute lied
to her and said no, we've assured, we've serted you.
So then she goes to ARC.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
So I'm sorry to interrupt you, Nancy, but you use
the word serted her. You've said that twice. What does
that mean to our listeners?

Speaker 10 (43:45):
Know?

Speaker 14 (43:46):
That means that they put her its court related they
cannot she cannot leave because it's against the court.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Okay, So a court has actually ordered her into this
facility and she's being correct essentially held there against her
will correct okay.

Speaker 14 (44:06):
And she feels like she's almost in prison, and she's OCD,
which does not help. But she's fifty one, and so
most of the kids, or most of the people in
this facility are young young people twenties eighteens year right.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Right, So without telling me who she works for, what
does she do for a living.

Speaker 14 (44:33):
She is a therapeutic visitator visitation, very good at it.
What does that mean, she takes she teaches the parents
how to take care of your children. That parents come
visit the kids, so she interacts with them, and the

(44:54):
kids interact with the parents, and they kind of know,
can feel for each other, how to dissipate, plan, how
to behave?

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Is this a in connection with criminal cases or family
law cases in the courts or what?

Speaker 14 (45:09):
Well, now that I couldn't tell you, I'm sorry that
I can't tell you. She could. But all I know
is it's for it. Oh God, I hate to say
it anyway, because I don't know what I can say
on the air.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Well, it doesn't matter who it is that she works for.
Is it a governmental entity or is it a private company?

Speaker 14 (45:34):
Government?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Okay? Okay?

Speaker 14 (45:37):
And she's been there like for fifteen sixteen years.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Oh well, okay, so if And they.

Speaker 14 (45:46):
Did extend her leave until August, but the court says
she can't leave until October. She has not gained any
weight because these people this time is not helping to
relieve some of her pressure, some of her anxiety. And

(46:08):
she's OCD, so this doesn't help. She's an a rat. Sik.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Have you had an attorney assist you in this process?
So far?

Speaker 9 (46:17):
No?

Speaker 14 (46:18):
Because according to my daughter, she can call an attorney
that knows all about this, right, And she says, most
attorneys have no idea about the medical side and what's happening.
So she says it won't do any good.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Are you saying that she just can't be.

Speaker 14 (46:40):
That our attorney? But he says, no, I don't know
anything about it, right.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Are you saying she can't find an attorney that's knowledgeable
enough to take on her case?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Is that? Is that what it boils down to.

Speaker 14 (46:51):
No, I think it's a quarter pointed attorney.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Oh, she has a quarter pointed attorney.

Speaker 14 (46:57):
I'm sorry, what did you say?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
She has a quarter pointed attorney? Yes, okay, So I
think really, I mean, I get your question and I
get your concern, but I think that the attorney needs
to approach that employer, particularly if it's a if it's
a governmental agency, and you've got a court order that's

(47:19):
that's placing her in this facility. I mean, there's got
to be some communication between those two that would establish
some validity to her claim. But that that court appointed
attorney I think would be the step one of trying
to work through that issue.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
John, isn't this ultimately an ADA issue. If she's medically
disabled from working temporarily, doesn't her employer have to provide
reasonable accommodations for this the tournament.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I'm not an employment lawyer, but I mean, yeah, you're
definitely getting into some ADA issues and stuff. And so
if your court appointed attorney doesn't have that particular skill set,
that might be the next phone call that you would
make would be to a disability attorney or somebody well
versed in that that environment.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Nancy, does your daughter or you have the pecuniary means
to hire an ADA specialist attorney?

Speaker 10 (48:08):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (48:08):
Yes, no problem.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Oh, I think I think you should start looking for
ADA attorneys and John, there's got to be a million
of them because that pays big.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
Attorney A stands for Americans with disabilities to act.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
So you're basically looking for an employment attorney that has
disability experience and and they're gonna they're going to kind
of want two punch this issue with your daughter, and
I think you're going to get some good questions answered
from them. And I believe there are protections in place
that will protect her job while she's in this facility,

(48:45):
particularly when it's been court ordered and it's not some
voluntary thing that that she really got to got to
vote on. So you know, that's really my best advice
John question. Yes, sir, if you.

Speaker 16 (48:56):
Call up the Colorado or the Denver Bar, can you
will they give you a recommendation for a specific und attorney. Yeah,
not only for her, but in general. You know, people
call and say, where can I find a divorce attorney?

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Where can I find a land attorney?

Speaker 16 (49:12):
If you call up the Bar Association, do they have
lawyers by categories?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, they do, and that is a good first place
to call. But you can also look around and then
when you talk to people and you explain your circumstance,
if it's not a direct perfect match, ask them who
they would recommend for that circumstance, and you're going to
get some good referrals there the bar, you know, for
something it's such a niche little area of law that

(49:38):
may not be something that they can they can narrow
down their recommendation, but they can at least get you
started on it. So that's all I got for you, Nancy.
I wish you the best of luck. That's a crazy
situation you're dealing with there, and I hope things work
out for your daughter. But thanks for calling. Thank you
all right, You take care. So we're going to take
a quick break here. We're running a couple minute behind,

(50:00):
and we'll come right back and get back into the
conversation with doctor Churdak and we will go from there.
Hold on.

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Speaker 2 (50:44):
The rodo Hey, Good afternoon, John Fuller here on the
Troubleshooter Network. We are back live in studio today. We
have the honor of doctor Joel Cherdak in the house
with Denver Regenitive Medicine, and we're talking about all things
stem cells regenerative medicine. We're going to shift gears a
little bit and go into the weight loss drugs otherwise

(51:08):
known as GLP one, and that is quite the topic
these days. We're learning more every day, there's new technology
coming out, it seems like every day, between the injections,
the pills once a month, the once a week, the
once so everything, and it seems like things are just
really really changing fast. So maybe we can start with

(51:30):
just an update on where we are on weight loss
medications and how it can fit into you.

Speaker 5 (51:36):
By the way, what a revolutionary development if you look
at the percentage of our population that's overweight or obese
or both. Good God, it's enough to turn your hair white. So, Joel,
you know, we were going to talk about peptides, and
this is a really really good way to kind of
transition into the peptide talk because GLP one is a

(51:56):
type of peptide, right right, And for those like me
who don't understand what a peptide actually means, what the
heck is it?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Why should we care about it?

Speaker 4 (52:05):
So what a peptide is is a short sequence of
amino acids. So you know, everybody's familiar with what a
protein is. Proteins are the building blocks of muscle, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
That's what steak is made of. It's what steak is
made of.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
You know, there's twenty two essential amino acids that are
out there, They exist in nature, and different combinations of
those individual amino acids create a you know, either a
peptide if it's less than two hundred amino acids, or
a protein if it's more than two hundred amino acids. Now,
what they've discovered recently in medical science is that these
short chains of amino acids, sometimes only three or four

(52:40):
amino acids long, act as signaling molecules in the body
and mimic molecules in the body that cause your body
to do different things. So, for example, the original GLP one,
which is some magnetide. What that is, what GLP stands
for is glucagon like peptide. And know what it mimics

(53:01):
is a peptide, a short string of amino acids that's
produced in your stomach when your stomach is full. That
signals to your brain that you're full.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
So it's the stuff that my stomach already produces naturally,
you're just adding more of that stuff with the GLP
one application.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
You're adding more of it from the outside. Okay, so
it basically tricks your brain into thinking that you're full
before your body would otherwise tell you naturally that you're full.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
And a lot of people have that problem, right, I mean,
I've seen people eat just an indescribable amount of food
and while they're eating, they're still feeling hungry. Is that's
because they have some kind of a communication issue between
their brain and their stomach.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
It could be it could be that their body is
not producing enough GLP one. Okays, just that they're you know,
they've naturally over time built up more of a resistance
to it, so you're not overeating.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Yeah, so you're not pumping them full of chemicals when
you add GOLP one to their body.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
No, And that's the thing that I try to explain
the patients is that these are naturally occurring amino acids
put together in a certainty quin So if you can
think of amino acids, if you compare them to letters
of the alphabet, you know, you're just spelling different words,
and so you're spelling a word with amino acids that's
the same word that your body already uses, or just
you're just increasing the amount of that. So that's the

(54:14):
first the GELP guglegon like peptide one.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
And how do you.

Speaker 5 (54:18):
Add that to somebody is it's a shot to put.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Them by a subcutaneous injection, so basically an insulin needle,
so a really tiny needle. You can inject it either
into your thigh or your abdomen, and it's only a
small amount that you use. You use it typically five
days on and two days off. And that's what a
lot of people use. That's what the that's what your
standard GLP one protocol is.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
How many different GLP ones are there.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
So there's only so there's only one glucagon like peptide one.
There's another weight loss drug that many people have heard
of called trezepetide and that was the next generation after somemagletide. Now,
what tri zeppatide does is it has a gl a
glucagon like peptide in it, so it's the same as symaglotide.
And then the addition of what's called GIP and I

(55:06):
can't remember right off the top of my head with
those and what that's an an acronym for. But what
that does is it affects your liver and your body's
ability to tightly control blood sugar, so it acts you know,
these are original diabetes drugs, right, And the reason why
is because obviously, when you're eating less food, you're eating
less sugar sugar. But this one, the second one, trezepetide,

(55:28):
also controls your blood sugar, so you're not having spiking
blood sugar or massive decreases in blood sugar. It regulates
it within a range. So that also affects your ability
your hunger. So those two peptides together have a greater
effect on weight loss than just the GLP one by itself.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
So lately in the news, there's been there's been stories
that you know, huge insurance companies like Signa are no
longer offering weight loss medications to the employees. Are you
finding that that people can use health insurance to to

(56:07):
to pursue weight loss medications, or more people are going
a non insurance route and using a company like your own.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Well, we don't have insurance based products that we use
in our clinic. However, I know that some people are
able to get GLP ones under their insurance, but they
have to fit pretty stringent criteria and able to do so,
they have to they have to be clinically obese for
their insurance carrier.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
To cover it.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
And then the other thing too is that these drugs
can still be incredibly expensive the branded drugs even with insurance.
So what we sell we work with compounding pharmacies, okay
that tailor make these drugs specifically for each individual patient
at different dosages as needed, and it's significantly less than
the branded drugs even with insurance. Is it the same drug,

(56:56):
it's the same drug. These are really simple things. They're
not like complex molecules that are unique. They are just
a string of amino acids. Which brings me to another
topic that would be interesting to you is there's it's
questionable whether you can patent something like that because it
does occur naturally and it's just putting it, like I said,
like letters of the alphabet together in a certain sequence.

(57:19):
You're not creating a new alphabet. You're just using pre
existing things that exist in nature. So one interesting phenomena
that we've seen is that when the big when big
pharma has tried to, you know, in the past couple
of years, crack down on compounding pharmacies or clinics that
are promoting these drugs, they're only going after trademark infringement

(57:41):
on the name. They're not going after patent infringement.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I see.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
And you know, theoretically that's because they would have a
really hard time. There's a good argument to be made
that you can't patent something that occurs naturally.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
Joe, and you know about a was it about a
year ago you were clinic ran this really great special
for our listeners. I can't remember how much it was,
but it was. I think it was under two hundred
bucks a month for this treatment. And Mark Major got
on that and it worked phenomenally well for him. I
think he dropped about forty pounds. And you know, I
asked him how much he paid for it, and with

(58:17):
in this perspective, I said, he complained about how little
food he's eating. He said he would eat like a
little piece of chicken once a day and that was enough.
And I said, Mark, let's do the math on how
much you actually save on restaurant bills and grocery bills.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
And I think he came out ahead. Yeah, I'm not
saying everybody discussion. Yeah, we had that discussion.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
I guarantee you, Mark the co host of this show,
came out ahead. He actually made money while losing weight
with your Denver region treatments.

Speaker 4 (58:48):
I wouldn't be surprised. You know, back to the topic
that he originally asked me about. You know, the advancement
in GLP ones. There is a third drug, a third
generation of drug out there, and it's going through phase
three trials. It's called retrud totide, okay, And so that
is three different peptides.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Now you have another one.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
So like I described, you had GLP one, which affects hunger,
you had GIP, which affects blood sugar. And now with retrudititide, redtruetide,
there is a peptide that affects glucagon. And so what
that does is it speeds up the metabolism of sugar
in your body. So not only are you losing weight

(59:28):
by not taking you're losing weight just sitting there because
your metabolism is increased.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I'm sorry, John, I didn't mean to step on you.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
But does that if it's reducing your blood sugar glucose, right,
does that also have a positive impact on your hemoglobin
A one C numbers and therefore maybe gets you away
further away from pre diabetes or actually type two diabetes.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's what these drugs were originally artized. Okay, okay,
as diabetes drugs. You know, type two diabetes, right, what
your A one C is type.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Two diabetes to be specific.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Yeah, but if you know, if you'll remember when these druggs,
when Ozempic first came out, the commercials were for using
this to reduce your A one C. And then they
said at the end of the commercial and by the way,
you may lose weight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
You may lose a lot of weight, right clever.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
And then they kind of you know, got authority from
the fdaight to marketed as a weight loss and obesity drug.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Ozempic was the first one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
But these are all diabetes so that's no longer an
off label use? No, is that what you're saying. I
had no idea. I thought that was kind of this
off label.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
It's changed, you know, first it was Ozempic was approved
for you know, it was the only one approved for
weight loss. Now they're all approved for weight loss.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yeah. So when a patient comes in and and begains
this program, is this monitored by a doctor? Is how
frequently did they see a doctor to kind of monitor
what's going on right.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
So you know, that's one thing that we do in
our clinic because everybody's going to have an initial consultation
with our MD to be pre screened to make sure
that there's not going to be any potential adverse side effects.
It's very rare and they're very uncommon because, like I said,
these are naturally occurring amino acids. So the safety profile
is great. You know, you're not looking at a very
toxic substance. But that being said, there are certain conditions

(01:01:21):
you need to screen for. So the patient will speak
with our medical doctor to get cleared for the drug,
and then he'll follow up with them about three weeks
in and then every six weeks after that. Okay, but
if somebody is having an issue or a problem, they
can contact our patient coordinator who can usually answer everything
right away or escalate it to the medical doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
So when you prescribe these these medications, or when you
contract with the patient, or however you want to describe
that relationship, are you giving them individual syringes or are
you giving them a vial? And they they do the
things themselves, so yeah, so they'll get it. They'll get
the delivery from the directly from the compounding pharmacy. Okay,

(01:02:02):
and now we'll come with the vials and the syringes
and instructions on how to use it. And if they
have any questions, our patient coordinator will get right on
the phone with them. You know, they will even FaceTime
them to show them exactly how to do it if
they're having any problems. Okay, we got to take a
quick break. We'll be right back, and I've got a
couple more questions on that, So right.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
All right, John Fuller back in studio with Joel Chardak.
We were just beginning to discuss the issues relating to
golp ones and weight loss medications. And we're going to
get right back to that. But first we're going to
go to the lines. We've got Janet holding here with
a contractor issue. Janet, what is going on with you today?

Speaker 12 (01:03:16):
Well, it's kind of.

Speaker 15 (01:03:16):
When I drove through my garage one night he took
out the back wall.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah, be contorted, behidh that.

Speaker 15 (01:03:28):
That's how it happens anyway. Other than my garage being hurt,
I was fine a carpet little dent had but lived
my biggest pub I had a contracted Jim Black Construction.
Now he charged me for things he didn't do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Okay, and I try.

Speaker 15 (01:03:44):
I'm debating that with him and he's not agreeing with me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
For example, Yeah, give us an example.

Speaker 15 (01:03:50):
He did not paint the door. He charged me to
paint the door. He did not put on two quates
of paint. He only put on one coat of paint.

Speaker 14 (01:03:57):
He did not.

Speaker 12 (01:04:00):
What to say.

Speaker 15 (01:04:01):
There's also a specios testing and lead pain testing.

Speaker 13 (01:04:05):
If he did it.

Speaker 15 (01:04:05):
I don't know if he did or not. But according
to Colorado State Air Quality, they said, if I don't
get the bill of the restinct and report, I don't
have to pay for it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
Wait what what why are you required to get lead
in asbestos testing?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
And did you get to be an older house and
she went through the back wall and released technically asbestos
potential into the air. Does that sound right?

Speaker 15 (01:04:28):
That sounds about right, because I did call the air
quality Colorado air quality. I spoke to very nice gentleman there,
Whage explains to me that there's certain dimensions and yet
it's re hard to get that tested.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
However, he was a test ever done on the drywall
and stuff that I assume you're talking about drywall or
sighting for the presence of asbestos, right, correct? And did
you ever have a testing facility come out or did
the contractor take samples like little you sometimes see little
triangles cut out of the drywall and stuff. Did you
say anything like that?

Speaker 15 (01:04:58):
Well, they took some sand, okay, recording them. I thought
they said they're taking samples to match the paint. Okay,
So they took samples. However, according to their quality of Colorado.
If I don't get a billary, I didn't get the
reports are entirely the reports, both of those They never
gave me those reports. If I don't get the reports

(01:05:19):
down to pay for them, okay?

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
So are you saying that Jim Black Construction billed you
for these asbestos tests but you didn't get copies of
the reports?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Correct?

Speaker 15 (01:05:29):
And let let let let pain Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Did you talk to Jim Black and say, hey, can
I get copies of these reports?

Speaker 15 (01:05:36):
I have asked numerous times, what do you say? He
never responded to me. And then one lady the building department,
when I spoke to her, She's like, that was just
kind of part of the bill, like the reports. She
was going to get back to me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Never did so, Janet, have you where do you stand
with this contractor have you paid for the full job?
Or are you at the end of it?

Speaker 15 (01:05:57):
I paid a book, I paid over eighteen thousand dollars, okay,
but what I thought was what I thought was reasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
How do you how much more do you owe in
the original contract?

Speaker 15 (01:06:07):
About two thousand more?

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
Okay? And what is the amount of uh that's in controversy?
In other words, you feel like eighteen grand should pay
for everything you got, right? But I assume Chim Black
Construction feels you owe them some more. So what is
the amount of controversy and why do they feel justified
in trying to collect it from you.

Speaker 15 (01:06:30):
Well they feel I don't know how to answer why
they feel justified on the fact, this is what we
built you for, okay, and I'm not gonna have I'm
not gonna pay it. Like I said it said, painting
the trim of the door, They didn't paint it. The
door is not painted all. They painted the trim of
the door, but they didn't paint the door.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Did this contractor pull a permit?

Speaker 13 (01:06:51):
Yes he did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Did they close the permit? Has it has a final
inspection taken place?

Speaker 16 (01:06:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Yes, So you've got the you' that's all closed out.
You've got to see everything is good on your garage? Correct?

Speaker 12 (01:07:03):
That part's good?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
All right? So let us do this. Uh, Jennet, I'm
going to ask you to hang on just a second.
Here's what I'd like to do. I'm gonna have Doc
reach out and see if we can't get to the
bottom of this. So hang tight, we'll be right back.
We're gonna take a quick break.

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Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Good afternoon. We are back live in the studio, wrapping
up the first couple hours here with Joel Churdak in
the house, and we had Janet on the phone here. Janet,
so what's going on at this point? We're gonna have
to carry you over the break. Our deputy Doc is
on the phone trying to reach your contractor, and we're
gonna try to get some answers for you. A couple

(01:08:17):
of quick questions, Janet, how old is your home? Okay,
Janet is not live on the air, so we'll save
that question for later. So if she's talking to Doc
right now, we're gonna go ahead and wrap up the
second hour here. When we come back, we're gonna go
into all things. We're going to finish up the GLP
ones and roll into peptides. That's a new and exciting

(01:08:40):
area we'd like to get all the information we can
on exactly what that entails and and and how we
can dial in a custom batch for Dmitri and and
uh and then we and then we're gonna we're gonna
administer that live in the studio to see if we
can get the desired results out of it.

Speaker 17 (01:08:58):
Ben's for the shot goes, well, we already know where
Shannon wants to administer the shot, but we'll we'll leave
that to the We'll leave that to the learned discretion
of the doctor in the house here.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
But also, John, if I hear the words the pository
in that conversation, I'm actually leaving and you got the
show to yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Oh lord, here we go. So and then we're going
to talk more about just kind of the future of
restorative and regenerative medicine and and and what to look
forward to, because I really think that we're in a
transformational period where you know, things that are that are
considered you know, alternative treatments and may not be covered

(01:09:39):
by insurance are really going to become mainstream because the
efficacy of those treatments is being recognized in places that
they don't have any choice. And That's where I can
talk about from my experience as an injury attorney, where
we have patients that seek out these treatments and then
we turn around and definitely have an insurance company that
gets asked to pay for them and they do. And

(01:09:59):
so I think that that experience is going to evolve
into more broad scale acceptance and application with the health
community as a whole, or at least I'm hoping that
that's what's going to happen so.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Quickly in the in the context of personal entry versus
in the context of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Proof health cool. We will do that as soon as
we get back. Hang on.

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Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Forty five years strong solving your problems, answering questions, taking complaints.
This is the Troubleshooter Show now Tom Martino, Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
We are back for the third hour of the Tom
Martino Troubleshooter Show. And joining me in studio, we have
deputy docting, Deputy Dmitri, but we also have Joel Cherdak,
which is a great guest here with Denver Regenitive Medicine.
And we've been talking today. We've covered stem selves, We've
covered briefly a little bit about golp ones and I

(01:11:48):
was talking kind of off the air, and I think
it's an important issue here. But the dosing is very
important on GLP one and that is something that I
understand is very closely my nitored by by your doctors
and your clinic and stuff. And talk about that and
the importance of how the dosing works. You don't just
start hitting somebody with a big full dose of that.

(01:12:11):
You kind of tie trade up to a full dose
and then then once you achieve the weight loss that
you're looking for, do people stay on the drug or
do they stop or do they wean down talk about
that if you will.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Well, everybody's different and everybody has different goals. So we
have some patients that start on a GLP one, they
get a great result at a moderate dose, and they
stay on it continuously. We have other patients, either because
they've reached the goal or for financial reasons, just cycle
on and off of it over you know, they'll be

(01:12:42):
about four months on, two months off and do that
kind of thing. We have patients that have been off
of it for more than a year and then call
us back up and get back on it. It just
really depends on what the patient's goals are and how
well they respond to the drug, you know, based on
their own physiog and talking about the dosing. So yeah,

(01:13:03):
that's one thing that we make sure of in our clinic.
We don't just you know, send you the drug and
just leave you on your own. I mean, you talk
to the medical doctor and to our patient coordinator on
what the correct starting dose is going to be, and
then we titrate you or add more medication to that
week by week until you're tolerating it well and getting
the results that you want. And that can vary from
patient to patient, which is why it's really important to

(01:13:24):
have medical guidance as you do this, so you're not
just guessing. I mean the problems that people run into
is when they start guessing or they start doing too much,
and people get confused about dosing because we get what
they get from the compounding pharmacy is a package of
insulin needles, insulin surringes that are one mL or one
millileter in capacity, and so some you know, occasionally a

(01:13:47):
patient will get confused and they'll think that one unit.
So on the prescription will say how many units you
need to take, and they'll they'll equate one unit with
one mill leader. Really one unit is one one hundredth
of a mill lee.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Oh okay.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Each one of those little tiny hash marks on the
needle on the syringe is one unit, and there's one
hundred of them on the needles we give you, even
though it's only one mL total. So that's something that we're.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Going dosing is is denominated in units, correct, And a
typical dose might be anywhere from what five to thirty
or forty or fifty units or ten would be typically,
but it would never be one hundred. No, you wouldn't
start with one hundred units of anything, okay. And that
goes for all of the peptides that we prescribe. Okay,

(01:14:32):
so we're going to talk about peptides in a second,
but staying on dosage. I have heard through just news
articles and stories and stuff where where people have confused
that issue and taken you know, eight or ten times
what they're recommended dose is and many people have had
problems with that. Have you heard of that happening?

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we are really careful to
make sure that patients understand exactly what they're doing. Like
we give them, we send them a video, We talked
to them over the phone to explain to them the
difference between an mL and a unit and what a
unit is and how much that actually looks like in
the syringe. But we you know, we have had stories
where patients have not paid attention to what we're telling

(01:15:17):
them and given themselves ten times the dose of what
they should have.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
What happens, you know, some people wind.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Up with with severe nausea, severe diarrhea, those types of things.
You know, every once in a while, somebody will need
to go to the er for support. You know, we
haven't had any cases where people have had to been
hospitalized from it, but certainly they've you know, it's not
a comfortable thing to have to go through, no doubt,
and you've wasted all that medication on top of that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
I was just going to say, and you mentioned earlier
that you kind of keep track of what people have
been sent and when they expected date of you know
that the refill, that refill is going to take place,
and if they're calling up two weeks early, you know
something's going on with the right right. So have you
had people that just on their own decide to up

(01:16:05):
the dose because if a little is good, a lot's got.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
To be great, or we have had that situation before.
But then those are the patient. And you know what
we tell a patient is if they don't feel like
they're getting the results that they've expected, call us back.
Will formally increase the dose with our medical doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Will formally increase the dose, will increase the frequency in
which they're getting refills if that's appropriate, or we'll move
them to another medication if the dose is so high
that they need so, for example, on somemeglotides, some people
plateau out on that and at that dosage, at that cost,
it's actually more cost efficient to be on the next
drug that ter zeppatide.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Okay, So, and that would start the body over again,
if you will on getting results. Is that because of
where it gets metabolized and the digestive or in the
in the body, I'm not, I'm not sure yet. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Because it's a set, it adds a second peptide, so
it's a GLP one plus the g IP the one
that controls blood sugar. So both those two peptides together
have a synergistic effect that works more powerfully than just
the GLP one, which is the magnetide by itself.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Okay. To talk to the audience about muscle loss, like,
when you're losing weight rapidly, isn't it true that you
you it's hard to just lose fat, right? Is that
not one of the challenges that you face from a
from a medical perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
So fat's gonna come off first. But when you're losing mass,
you buy definition are going to lose some muscle.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
So we always talk to patients about increasing their protein
intake because they're gonna eat less food just as a
as a function of the drug itself or the peptide,
if you will itself, So if you eat more protein,
you're gonna diminish some of that muscle loss, and doing
resistive exercises off also is going to preserve your muscle mass.
And that's another benefit of that new that new weight

(01:18:03):
loss drug that I'm talking about right, a true tide
because it activates glucagon, it's actively increasing your metabolism. So
you're actively preserving more muscle mass with that drug. So
that drug actually helps to preserve muscle mass while you're
also decreasing your fat, which is the advantage of the
you know this now third generation of weight loss drug.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Okay, so if I understand correctly, and we're gonna we're
gonna drift off into into peptides. Now, all the GLP
one drugs are peptides. Yes, they are by definition just
strings of amino acids put together in a in a
way that achieves this particular effect in your body because

(01:18:47):
it signals your body. Like all peptides, it's a it's
a message to a certain receptor saying turn this on,
turn this off, do this exactly. And so so gel
ones are not the only peptides. We're learning day by
day that there are how many peptides are there is
there an infinite number of them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Or you know, I don't know off the top of
my head, but you know there's probably fifty or.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Sixty okay, and those have been mapped out. So there's
a definitive formula that you can look at on a
microscope or something and say this is the X y
Z peptide.

Speaker 9 (01:19:23):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
So what medical research is showing is that peptides act
as signaling molecules to cells, okay, to either turn them
on to produce a certain function, or turn them off.
And the best example of that would be the growth
hormone stimulating peptides. Whole class of peptides, there's about four
or five of them. Some of the names ipamorlin semorl in,

(01:19:43):
tessimorlin and are.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Those brands of drugs or these are just names given
to these peptides that any where did peptides come from?

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Is it a compounding pharmacy type yauhtfit again, Yes, makes
it okay. They have precursor and then they kind of
formulate it, okay, And I don't know how they do
it in the compounding pharmacy, but all it is is
just a string of amino acids put together in a
certain way. For in an individual, unique way for each
one of these different peptides.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
So if you get X Y Z peptide and it
comes from this compounding pharmacy, is it going to be
identical to the same X, Y and Z peptide that's
made in a different facility, it should be. Yes. Are
there standards that dictate those kind of things? Yes, I
mean so a compounding pharmacy.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
The only difference between a regular pharmacy and a compounding
pharmacy is that you're like Walgreens or your CBS. They're
under the FDA regulations, they're monitored federally. Compounding pharmacies are
under state regulations, so they're they're monitored by state authorities,
and those rules differ from state to state. So certain

(01:20:54):
compounding pharmacies can only deliver medications to certain states that
they fit that state's criteria. So that's really the kind
of nuance between a compounding pharmacy. The biggest advantage of
a compounding pharmacy is they can make certain drugs at
certain dosages that are unique that you wouldn't find in
the branded medication.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
But it's the same medication chemically. Yes, that's what you
would receive at a traditional pharmacy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
So ozempic for example, Oh yeah, So ozempic for example,
is some maglotide, Okay, the same peptide that you can
get from a compounding pharmacy. But isn't there a different
salt or some kind of salt base that makes that
slightly different than the ozempic branded some aglutide. I've heard
different things about how the base product is produced, but

(01:21:45):
I don't know that there's really much of a difference
between those two things.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Okay, So what you're saying is from a consumer protection
or consumer perspective that you hear the term biosimilar or
bioidentical or something like that. Whether it comes from a
pharmacy or from your compounding pharmacy, it's one and the same,

(01:22:12):
is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
I think the best way, the closest analogy would be
a branded drug versus the generic version of that branded drug.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Okay, So they're the same compound branded drug versus the
generic drug. Is chemically identical in all respects, isn't it? Yes?
And and are the compounded glp ones chemically identical to
the branded varieties? Yes? Okay, Okay, so there's really no

(01:22:43):
advantage going with one over the other. They're one and
the same, is that? Is that right?

Speaker 9 (01:22:48):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
I mean the only difference would be, like you know,
is zempic comes with its own injector pen whereas you
know our symaglatide from a compounding pharmacy, you've got to
use your own syringe and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Pull it out of a vial. It's a good old
it's not free filled. Yeah, well that's that's you're you're
paying for that injector as well, right.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
And a lot of compounding pharmacies will if you pay
extra money put it in an injector.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Like that, Sure they will.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
Yeah, but typically, you know, most people are fine with
just you know, filling a syringe themselves and injecting themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
All right, we're gonna go to a break right now.
When we come back, we're gonna go headfirst into peptides
and we'll go from there'reat.

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Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
All right, good afternoon. We are back live in the
studio at the Troubleshooter Show here at six thirty kh Ow.
John Fuller here, I'm a personal injury attorney and I've
been handling injury cases now for going on twenty five years.
And as most of you know, that process involves representing
people that have been injured in accidents, and so a

(01:24:29):
huge part of my practice is is kind of helping
people get the treatment that they need and then ultimately
proving to an insurance company or to a jury that
that treatment was reasonable, necessary, and or related to the
accident that they that they were in. And so we
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(01:24:50):
came to know doctor Churdak early on, many many years ago.
But we both have been around that area enough times
I think we can both speak with authority as to
the acceptance of the regenerative treatment and how it's being
woven into kind of modern thought about what appropriate treatment

(01:25:14):
and care is for injuries and stuff, and so I
want to I want to talk a little bit about that,
but we're first going to finish up the discussion on
peptides and stuff. We are going to take a quick
jaunt to the phone lines. Here, we've got Carrie holding
on with the question about his landlord. Carrie, what is
going on? Carry? Are you there?

Speaker 13 (01:25:39):
Hello, I'm here.

Speaker 9 (01:25:41):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Okay, I can just barely hear you there, Carrie. But
let's try tell me what's going on.

Speaker 13 (01:25:47):
I'm a veteran and I have a veteran that I
work with, and I feel that he has been basically, uh,
stolen money from his land. His landlord the he was
paying rent, and he said he was contacted by a
lawyer and said that he owed just about thirty five

(01:26:09):
hundred dollars in court fees and back rent. He said
he was never I said, did you ever go to court?
He never went to court. He was never notified to
go to court. And he told the landlord, he said,
I've got these canceled checks. And the lawyer come back

(01:26:29):
and said anybody can make them.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Now I know, okay, So hold on, hold on, Kerrie,
so again, we're just barely able to hear you here.
So there's something with your phone. I don't know if
you're on an earpiece or something, but if I understood
you correctly, you're calling. You've got a friend who was
a tenant in a property and it's now been contacted.
Does he still live in the property or has he

(01:26:52):
has he moved on to some other property?

Speaker 13 (01:26:56):
He is He asked to be out of the property
by the end of the months because the guy says
he's gonna sell the house.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Okay, So was he being evicted or do you think
this is just a ruse to get him out of
the property so he can sell it.

Speaker 13 (01:27:12):
That's what the that's what he was told to sell it.
I don't know is the interface between him and his landlords?

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Okay? Has the attorney threatened to sue him? At this point?

Speaker 13 (01:27:24):
The attorney poached him and said they had already been
the court for back rent and court cause. Okay, but
he was never served and never allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
To go to court. Okay. So in every lawsuit of
that nature, they're required to achieve service a process. They
can serve you a number of different ways. They can
serve you in person, they can serve you by by
leaving it at the property and posting it in a
conspicuous place. They can also in some instances, if the

(01:27:57):
person is is you know, can't be local, they can
achieve service by publication. So there's a bunch of different ways.
But they have to file that return of service back
with the court. And so you can always go to
the courthouse and find out and pull the file and
see exactly how they claim to have to have served
that process. And so has he done that before?

Speaker 13 (01:28:21):
No, he had no idea. He is not very let's
say social acknowledgement. He doesn't. He didn't even know he
had to be the court until when the guy told
him he had to pay court costs. Okay, well know
that he had that option.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Okay. Have they given him a court order ordering his
eviction or vacating the property? No.

Speaker 13 (01:28:45):
All he was told was you're you're going to Well
I don't know if he was given anything, but he
was told that he had to be out by the
end of the month because they're going to tell the property.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Is he planning to get out by the end of
the month anyway, he's trying to right now, he's trying
to find another place to live.

Speaker 13 (01:29:04):
Okay, he doesn't have the deposits because he ended up
spending this thirty five hundred dollars that I think was
not really owed to this company.

Speaker 16 (01:29:14):
Oh you know he has a is it a month
to month lease or is it a.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Regular year long lease.

Speaker 13 (01:29:23):
I don't know that because if he.

Speaker 16 (01:29:25):
Has, if he has a more than a month lease,
the owner can't sell the property to get him out.
The new owner has to has to agree to that lease.
He's bound by it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Hey, John, you know a couple A couple of things
come to mind here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
I could.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
It sounds like our caller's friend claims that he was
never served right, and it sounds like he was sued
for background, and it sounds like the landslord lawyer got
a default judgment against him. I agree, So a couple
of things. It sounds like they're going to challenge service
in this matter. So we can do a couple of
things if you want me to. If our caller gives

(01:30:04):
us the case number or this guy's name offline, I
can look it up in E file to see if
there really was a case that comes up. But also
we can get Brad O'Brien on the phone to kind
of weigh in on can they actually kick him out?
And also they can they collect this judgment of which
he apparently wasn't aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Yeah, I think that's a good plan. And the reason
I was asking whether he actually got a piece of
paper of showing an order to vacate or anything, was
so that there would be a case number on it
and we could we could pull that log into my
file account right now. Yeah, So caller, we're gonna put
you online or put you on hold here for just
a second. We're gonna deploy some resources here. We're going

(01:30:45):
to get our real estate expert on the line. We're
going to try to pull up this case and see
if we can if we can find out more information. So,
hank Ty, we'll be back with you here in just
a few moments.

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Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
All right, good afternoon, we are back live on the air.
We are talking with Carrie. Carrie is calling about a
friend of his who is a tenant and a property
and has has got some issues going on with the landlord.
Apparently his friend has been informed that he was the

(01:32:05):
subject of a lawsuit seeking his eviction from the property
and that a default judgment was ordered ordering him to
vacate the property by the end of the month. And
Carrie's friend said, I never got served. I don't know
anything about this lawsuit, and so we are trying to
track it down right now. We've got carry on hole.
We will get back to Carrie here in just a

(01:32:27):
little bit. We're seeking out the lawsuit. There's so many
issues on a case like this that people need to
be aware of. Service of process is a critical step
in every lawsuit, and you can't be sued without being
given notice of the lawsuit. And so one of the
chief things that any judge is going to be concerned

(01:32:47):
with is whether or not the opposite party had notice
of the proceeding and an opportunity to be there. You're
not required to be there. You can choose not to
show up, and that generally results in a default judgment,
but you are required to be given notice of that proceeding.
And we're trying to investigate whether or not that happened
in Carrie's case. And and we'll get back to him

(01:33:09):
here in just a little bit. So we're going to
move along in the discussion right now with with doctor
Joel Cherdak, who's live in the studio with us today,
and we were talking about about peptides and and and
so we're, like you said, there's I think fifty or
sixty known peptides out there known different kind of formulations

(01:33:33):
or recipes, if you will, of these amino acids that
that that form a chemical compound that is a sends
a message to a receptor in your body to do something,
turn something on, turn something off, perceive hunger, perceive fullness,
whatever that is. Would tell me about some of the
different peptides that are out there that that you're using.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
Well, there's you know, I like to put them into
classes or categories. There's growth hormone stemus peptides. There's a
new and exciting category of peptides that increase the number
or the health of mitochondria and cells that really have
a profound effect on energy and how people feel. One

(01:34:15):
of them is called MATZ. The other one is called
SS three one. I mean, I know those names don't
mean anything to people, but Motzy in particular, what it
does is it increases the number of mitochondria per cell.
And for people that don't understand what the mitochondon aren't
familiar with what a mitochondria is. A mitochondria basically is
your power plant or the battery pack.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
For a cell.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Okay, And so the more mitochondria you have, the more
energy your cell has and the more it's able to
function more efficiently. So when we're younger, we have a
lot more mitochondria per cell. As you get older, the
number of mitochondria per cell decreases, and then therefore your
overall energy is going to decrease. So what Matzy does

(01:34:56):
is it increases the number of mitochondria per cell. SS
three one does is it increases the integrity of the
individual mitochondria, so it makes them more hardened or stronger
so that the mitochondria itself works more efficiently. So those
two peptides increase energy, make people feel like they have
more energy, basically turn back the clock on aging.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
So is that something you would take together in tandem?
Do you kind of do you kind of pair these
peptides for a kind of a joint approach towards a
given issue.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
We can in some certain in certain circumstances, if somebody
wants to just target their mitochondria, yes, but oftentimes will
combine a number of different things. We'll combine the MAZI,
which is the mitochondria enhancing peptide that increases the number
of mitochondria, along with another peptide called BPC one five seven.
A lot of people are familiar with this one, and

(01:35:51):
BPC one five seven increases recovery of muscles and tendons.
It increases the speed at which your body recovers, So
that's a recovery peptide. There's another peptide called GHKCU and
the Cu stands for copper. And what that does is
it supplements or replaces naturally occurring a peptide in your

(01:36:12):
body that decreases with age, that produces collagen. So the
copper links collagen and produces more collagen. So the GSK
the GHPCU increases collagen, which increases your overall skin appearance,
hair and nails, things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
So we can.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Combine these to decrease aging on the insight in the
outside of your body.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
So are we talking about instant results? Are we talking
about incremental gains over a long period of time? Like
what exactly can people predict in terms of outcomes from
these peptides.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
So the glp ones, the weight loss drugs work within
like a week, They work really fast. These other peptides
that I'm talking about probably about three to four weeks
before people can notice significant changes, that notice the peptides
are working. So we start people off typically on a
two month supply and you go through the straight two
months that the eight weeks and people typically see significant

(01:37:11):
results by that period of time. By week six seven,
they're really noticing a change. And then we'll have people
take a break for two to four weeks and then
go back on another cycle of two months.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Why did they take a break?

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
You want to have your your receptors kind of reset
so that the molecule continues to work effectively.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
Joe I'm sorry, didn't mean to interrupt. If you just
start looking at me. Hey, something you've said about hair
peptides effects on hair treatment. What kind of treatment are
we talking about? What does it actually do for hair?
In other words, you know, I have luxurious, silky hair
and I want to keep it that way. So does
that mean that I should come over and consult you

(01:37:53):
on some peptides for specifically my hair?

Speaker 4 (01:37:56):
Well, the GSKCU, the g I'm sorry, the gh case
CU is going to increase the turnover of your epithelum
of yourself, so it's going to give you more more
hair productions. What's really Yeah, but it's not going to
be the same. You know, if you're trying to treat
thinning hair that's not really which I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Don't think I have you.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
You might offer me some you know, countervailing argument to that,
but I feel very comfortable with my hair, but I
want to keep it like that. So in layman's terms,
without using the letters and numbers, what would this how
would this hair peptide actually be administered to me? Is
it something I rub in my scalp?

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Is it a bill? It's an injection just like the other.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
Okay, So you know what I think would be super useful.
You have this huge body of knowledge and peptides and
what to do, and it sounds like you can treat
maybe even dozens of conditions or concerns with peptides. But
if you could run down a list just using normal
everyday English saying, look, we have a hair peptide and
this is what it does. We have the weight loss peptide,

(01:38:58):
which we discussed that lengthd hair. We have a peptide
for I don't know, smelly feet, you know, but I mean,
I think that would be a really great value to
normal civilians like me who don't care about letters and numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Sure, so you know, I have a YouTube channel, Denver
Regenerateive Medicine.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Wait, what what's it called.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
It's called Denver Regenerative Medicine, Okay, And on that YouTube channel,
there's about there's about fifteen to twenty videos on the
individual peptides or the individual combinations of peptides. So, for example,
I break them out into growth hormone stimulating peptides. I'll
name the peptides, but then describe what they do or mitochondria.
What I call the battery peptides. I just talked about it.

(01:39:36):
That's what I made another video about that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Joe.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
I had no idea. I looked up your listing on
the referral list. Are there links to these videos on
the referral list?

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
I don't know if they are.

Speaker 5 (01:39:46):
There is a session start uploading the links to the
referral list. I would have done it in preparation for
this meeting had I known you had videos.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
I didn't know you could do that.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
Yeah, I'll send you. I'll send you something from Joe.
Let's talk about boners. Is the there you know? I mean,
we did talk in the context of sexual health. So
we've all heard, you know, the about the blue pill
that you take, right? Is there a peptide or something
similar to that? Because I mean, I don't get me wrong,
I don't need it. But for the people who am I.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Talking about things that are soft and luxurious, We're gonna
take another We're gonna take another break here right now.

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Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
All right, good afternoon. We are back and live on
the Troubleshooter Show. This is John Fuller. I am a
injury attorney here in town, and I am not here
to talk to you about boners on the air. But
our elite deputy d over here brought that up and
wanted to venture into that. But we're going to hold
off on that for just a second. We have Mark

(01:41:27):
on the line with an issue with the City of Thornton,
which I'm sure is far more interesting than Dimitri's venture
down this shady path here. So Mark, help me out here.
What's going on with you?

Speaker 9 (01:41:40):
Well, the City of Thornton is placing a pipeline through
a lot of Well County here and I'm here at
west of Loveland and they've obstructed a field of mine
that I was intending to put sugar beets into. And okay,
and so far they've not been forthcoming in any kind
of compensation for my losses.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
And obstructing badly by digging a pipeline across the field
or by blocking your access to it.

Speaker 9 (01:42:10):
Yes, I have a center pivot system and they've blocked
my ability to move it around my field because they've
piled dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
And they're covering a hole here.

Speaker 9 (01:42:23):
Below Prety Loveland Ditch here in the Highway thirty four,
which is west of Loveland, and the pile is still there,
and they've extended their stay, but they haven't extended a
handshake to me to make make good on my losses
here by not being able to plant this field and
irrigate it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
So you've not you've not planted yet. It's it's you're
just stuck wetting for them to get out of your way.

Speaker 9 (01:42:50):
Yeah, well that the time has passed the plant And no,
I didn't. I didn't plant because they couldn't got you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
So we got you. Tried to go through the normal channels.

Speaker 11 (01:42:59):
And the normal channels haven't worked.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
I got you. Do you own that field or do
you lease it?

Speaker 10 (01:43:05):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:43:06):
I lease it, you know, And and my landlords are
not happy about it either. They've dealt with them the
best they could and has eminent domain right right, that
doesn't mean imminent.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Well it's only in robbery either, Yeah, it's it's eminent domain.
Have they did they initiate an emminent domain action over
that piece of ground? Did they actually take no property?

Speaker 9 (01:43:32):
But no, no, they they didn't initiate it, but they threatened.
You know, they know they have that in their back pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Right, So are they paying the owners? Did they compensate
the owner for cutting the line across the property or yes?

Speaker 9 (01:43:49):
Yeah, that was all handled beforehand. But then because of
this extended stay and the pile of dirt that they
when they bore under things, they have to excavate and
they leave extra piles of dirt, and so that's prevented
the wheels from going around or prevented me from arrogating

(01:44:14):
effectively around their intrusion. Here.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
How much dirt are we talking about that's blocking the pivot?

Speaker 9 (01:44:21):
Oh, it's probably ten fifteen foot and it's out into
my field probably fifty yards.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Is this dirt that you could move if you chose
to yourself.

Speaker 9 (01:44:34):
No, they they've paid for the right, you know, they've
paid for the the chance to dig that. But then
they and they've made good on that, but that doesn't
cover me for my losses as a renter of the
property to move my irrigation system around it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
And that was Mark where we have Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
Does that sound like the losses you sustained was from
the lost harvest that you couldn't plant and then monetize
for sure? Okay, when we come back, can you let
us know how much you think that will come to heng.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
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(01:46:32):
getting away from us. We are working with with Carry
who called in about his friend. We are trying diligently
to find that out. If any callers are wondering what's
going on with that, we'll get back to you here
shortly on what's up with that. Mark. I've got some
questions about about your situation. Mark called in. Mark has

(01:46:53):
a field up in Loveland that he grows sugar beets on.
He's got a center pivot irrigation system on there, and
because the city of Thornton was installing a water line
basically a big water line from a ditch up there
to feed the city of Thornton, they cut up the
field and they have a bunch of dirt left there

(01:47:15):
and he can't run his center pivot, which is an
irrigation system, and so he wasn't able to get the
beats in and he lost a full year of his
crop on that am I am I stating that correctly? Mark,
It's very accurate. Yes, all right, So mark in your
lease with the owner of that property, what assurances do
you have that it will be available for you to

(01:47:37):
plant and to use in the in the in the
method that you want to I'm the angle I'm going
at here, just so you know, is that your beef
may not be with the city of Thornton. It may
be with with the landlord, the actual owner of the property,
because that guy was compensated and and did enter into

(01:47:58):
an arrangement, although it may not it may not have
been very voluntary, but it was an agreement and he
was compensated for it. So I'm wondering if maybe your
beats might really be with the owner of the property.
Have you considered that.

Speaker 9 (01:48:13):
Yes, But.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
The pivot is branding.

Speaker 9 (01:48:16):
We just recently installed it, okay, Because initially they were
supposed to be out of our way, we went ahead
with the installation. And then because they extended their stay,
then they refused to make good on, you know, their substruction.
And as far as the monetary value, to me, the

(01:48:38):
gross value of the beat crop, I mean minus any
expenses which there are great, many be around sixty sixty
five thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
But what would that head of an acre field? Yeah,
what would that net out to be?

Speaker 5 (01:48:52):
I think your losses are calculated by what the profit
the profit you would have realized from those beats, not
from the gross revenue, so roughly speaking, how much income.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Perhaps and expenses and stuff. So is that is that
your net on that field? I think that's gross.

Speaker 9 (01:49:08):
That's the gross. And you know, of course I've already
applied the fertilizer. The fertilizers some of them will be
available for next year, but some of it won't. And
so you know, I I'm open to negotiation, but so
far their agents have not been very much, very very

(01:49:31):
much available to talk to me about it, any of it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:49:34):
I think one of the challenges you're going to have
is you're going to need to tell somebody how much
losses to compensate you for the loss.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
The loss is not the loss is not going to
be the gross amount.

Speaker 5 (01:49:45):
It's going to be how much money you would have
made as income on that sugar beet? Yeah, crop, do
you know what that is? And you feel comfortable sharing
that with us?

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
You know, the expenses are variable. You know, we can't
calculate those on until we're done producing the crop. But
of course it's going to be less than that amount
we've talked about. But you know, we'd probably make five
hundred and acre on and I'm just taking.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
Them over how many acres thirty seven acres I think. Okay,
so about acres, So that's what about eighteen thousand bucks?
Eighteen and a half thousand bucks. That's real money. So
it'd be great to get Brad's opinion on who might
owe him, who if anybody might owehim eighteen thousand bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Okay, So as it happens, we have Brad O'Brien on
the line here, let's go ahead and bring Brad on. So, Brad,
the situation, just to bring you up to speed, is
Mark is on the line. Mark's a beat farmer up
near Loveland, and he's got a center pivot, a thirty
seven acre piece of ground that he grows sugar beets on.

(01:50:53):
And the city of Thornton was installing a water line
connecting with one of the ditches up there to help
supply the city of Thornton. And they have not quite
exercised imminent domain, but certainly they threatened that as they
as they came up the way, and quote unquote friendly
negotiations occurred between all the landowners and including the landowner

(01:51:17):
that owns the property that Mark leases to grow his
sugar beets on. He has just recently installed this center pivot,
a large irrigation system, which is not cheap at all.
But the way a center pivot works is it has
to go around in a circle, and there piles of
dirt that they've left up there and refused to remove

(01:51:38):
so far keep him from being able to run the pivot,
and so he was not able to get his crop in.
He's lost a whole year of his sugar beat production
on this property, and we're trying to explore who might
be responsible in kind of avenues that he can pursue.
I kind of thought, since the owner was compensated by
the City of Thornton, that mark recovery efforts might be

(01:52:02):
directed towards the owner because he's got a leasehold interest
in the property and the owner was compensated. But it
sounds like the problem is that the City of Thornton,
you know, installed their pipe, but then they kind of
expanded the timeframe that they planned to be up there,
and they just changed the scope of it which resulted

(01:52:22):
in leaving all this dirt in the place that they are.
So with that, I want to bring you up to speed.
You can ask any questions you need to of Mark.

Speaker 18 (01:52:30):
Okay, Well, this is a commercial lease farm a cultural
land and commercial leases don't have any implied warranties. So
for example, there probably wouldn't expect an applied warranty a
fitness for a particular purpose or use. So normally a
commercial landlord is not going to be responsible to a

(01:52:54):
tenant if the tenant can't use the commercial property the
way the tenant implies, unless the lease otherwise. And as
a matter of fact, many commercial leases do in fact
say that the landlord is not responsible if the tenant
can't use it where it wants to. There's no uh,
there's a there's a waiver of consequential damages. That's sort

(01:53:16):
of things you can't go after the landlord. So if
you're thinking about going after the landlord, we have to
look at the written lease to see what the rights
and remedies of the tenant are in the written lease.
With respect to the municipality that caused this problem, I uh,
you know, normally governmental entities have immunity under the Colorado

(01:53:39):
under the c g i A, the Colorado Governmental Immunity
Act for for negligence. So I wouldn't expect that they're
reliable if if the if the county or whoever was
paid the landlord for loss of use, that's really between them,
and I don't see that the tenant would have the
benefit of that of that, And as a matter of fact,

(01:54:00):
most commercial leases that I see have a condination paragraph
that says landlord's entitled to any condemnation proceeds and tenant
has no right to any of those condination proceeds.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
So just to interrupt here, I don't know that this
is really negligent. It's almost an intentional like, how did
the mark help me out with this? The dirt that's
piled up there? They did? They understand that they weren't
supposed to do that. I mean, it wasn't a mistake
that they put it there, wasn't no, no.

Speaker 9 (01:54:32):
They had problems boring, you know, underground boring is a
delicate thing. And I understand that they're boring a major
ditch to go under it, and a highway four lane highway,
and they've had problems, so they extended, and they have
the option to extend with my landlord. And but beyond that,

(01:54:55):
because of that, I couldn't and they couldn't. First see,
I was going to put a pivot on here either.
But needless to say, because of that, I can't run
it and I had to leave it idle for a
year here. And that's all I wanted some compensation because
I couldn't operate my new system.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
Brad.

Speaker 5 (01:55:15):
You know what it boils down to is Mark lost
about eighteen thousand dollars in profit on his crop. And
I'm wondering just I know it's kind of an oversimplification,
but doesn't somebody owe him the eighteen grand.

Speaker 18 (01:55:29):
Well, he might have a claim for condemnation or a
taking by the governmental entity against his personal property rights
in losing the actual property, but is interesting in making
a profit, so there might be something there. Sometimes mental
entity is when they condemn land. There's two components of
the land component which goes to the landlord, and there's

(01:55:51):
a personal property component of the condemnation which the tenant
could perhaps get a piece of.

Speaker 11 (01:55:57):
Much something there.

Speaker 5 (01:55:58):
If Mark calls you to schedule of consultation. Is that
the kind of case you might want to discuss with
him off the air?

Speaker 18 (01:56:05):
I don't do condemnation actions. There are other law firms
that does normally go to that has people who do that.

Speaker 9 (01:56:13):
How how would yeah, I'd see somebody should step up
here and challenge Thornton on their the ways and means
that they're operating.

Speaker 5 (01:56:22):
I think yeah, I mean, it sounds fundamentally unfair that
this man who relies on that property to earn a
living and in a pretty hard way, is going to
be left uncompensated. So it sounds like Mark, it sounds like,
based on what Brad O'Brien, our real estate lawyer, said,
you should see if you can find an attorney in
that area who's familiar with those municipalities to uh to

(01:56:44):
consult him on the matter of condemnation.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
Okay, so to start calling.

Speaker 9 (01:56:49):
Around anyone listening, I would would like to contact me
off there. I'm be more than happy to listen to this,
of course, a consultation.

Speaker 5 (01:56:57):
Brad, Thank you so much for weighing in on this
OLS law. Brad O'Brien, our real estate lawyer expert. How
do people get a hold of you for non condemnation cases.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Brad. Yeah, I think Brad's going. They can get contact
Brad at olslaw dot com. Brad was here all day
Yesterday's a tremendous resource. Mark check out. You know, go
on to Google. I hate to send somebody to Google,
but you're really looking for a subspecialty of real estate
law that deals strictly with condemnation actions and stuff. And
I think if you, if you, if you put those

(01:57:31):
terms into Google, you're going to find a few people
and it shouldn't take you long to find an expert
in that, because it's a really niche area of law
that there's only so many people that practice it. So
I appreciate the call here. Sorry, we couldn't do more
for you, but hopefully that points you in the right direction.
All right, sir, thanks for the call. Mark. We're going

(01:57:51):
to head next to Fred that has a question on
the line here. What's going on? Fred? Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:57:58):
Yeah, Hey, I was a auto accident. I'm back in December.
Was at a stop like dead stop and somebody hit
me about thirty five miles an hour and knocked my
car way forward. Luckily I didn't end up with any

(01:58:23):
excuse me, you know, physical injuries. I was sore and
some other stuff for a period of times before Christmas
and affected me over the Christmas time frame, but got
into January and I was been doing okay. So my

(01:58:45):
question is the insurance company that paid out the claim
to me has offered me so much pain and suffering.
And I've been told by two other people that used
to be claim adjusters for different insurance companies that that

(01:59:07):
they probably should be paying out a lot more money
than what they're offering me. So it's not really worth
enough to hire an attorney that come on in and
trying to negotiate a price higher. Is that even worth
pursuing or just well, Fred, what they offer me is

(01:59:29):
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
Here's the deal. This is an area I happen to
know a little bit about. But we're up against a
break here, So Hank type. When I get back, I'm
going to walk you through exactly how to analyze that
and we'll answer your question. Okay, So hang tight. I
appreciate the call hold type.

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Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
All right, all right, all right, We're back live in
the studio here. I'm just getting explained by Dimitri how
people know he's serious when he walks into court with
his new area cowboy boots on. So apparently all these
years I've been an attorney and I didn't know that
that was the trick to being taken seriously in court.

Speaker 5 (02:00:42):
So you know what's coming next is the silver Spurs.
So it sounds like in the movies.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
And that soft, luxurious hairdoo and stuff. I just I
don't know how I ever succeeded over these years. So
we are going to go back to Fred on the
line about a car accident, and Fred, yours is a
case that comes up over and over and over and
over and over and and it typically goes like this,
People get in a crash and they're hurt, maybe not

(02:01:08):
seriously enough to go to the er, you know, they
want to give it a couple of weeks. It kind
of drags out. Maybe they see their doctor, maybe they
go to the chiropractor a couple of times, but mostly
it's not serious enough to in their mind to hire
an attorney and proceed down that road. And so when
they ultimately get an offer from an insurance company, the

(02:01:28):
inevitable question of am I doing the right thing? You know,
should I negotiate this thing out, should I have an attorney?
Do you know, am I being taken advantage of? And
all of these questions and and and so it's very typical,
and I get this call all the time, and the
short answer is, yes, you're being taken advantage of. Always.
That's that's the job of an insurance company. Their their

(02:01:51):
only job in the world is to protect their insured,
to make sure that they get a complete release for
as few dollars as they possibly can. So does does
that mean that, you you know, automatically need to go
out and get an attorney. Not always. I don't think
every case needs an attorney on board. And the reality is,

(02:02:11):
at this stage of the game, you know, the reason
we try to tell people to go out and call
the attorney early on is that we can have this
discussion and find out whether you really do need to,
you know, go see the medical providers and start to
document exactly what you're going on with. But at some
point it does become too late to go back and
fix what's you know, what's going on. So so my

(02:02:35):
advice to you is is you need to be cognizant
of whether or not there's any other interest out there
that may have a right to get paid back in
the action. So if you did go to the doctor
and use your health insurance, then you need to understand
and everybody should understand that health insurance companies have a
right to get paid back when you collect against some

(02:02:56):
at fault third party, you know, entity out there, whether
it's the the driver or the driver's insurance company or whatnot.
And so the things that get really tricky is that
if you ignore them and you take some trivial amount
of money from the insurance company and you don't pay
back and deal with all those those obligations, that can
actually jeopardize their obligation to help you down the road.

(02:03:19):
If it turns out that there was something serious wrong
with you and you've got to get additional treatment. So
it is a little risk now.

Speaker 7 (02:03:27):
I mean with me, I mean it's just pain and suffering,
and I'm not sure how they calculate.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
That if you don't mind me asking, how much are
they offering you? About thirty okay, so that's not an
insignificant amount of money. How much care and treatment did
you did you get?

Speaker 19 (02:03:49):
Like I said, you know, I went in my insurance.
You know, my health insurance paid you know, I got
extra raise what to see the doctor, you know twice,
and you know they they didn't even think any year
to go Okay, you know, do do physical therapy?

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
Fred? Was this who do you have for health insurance?
Is it Medicare or is it private health insurance?

Speaker 7 (02:04:19):
Yeah, it's Medicare with a supplemental guess okay, it's a
very And it was the end of the year, so
it was you know, everything was you know, so fully
paid out.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
So yeah, So Fred, if this ever happens in the future,
you know, this is one of those cases where you
really probably would have benefited from having somebody on your
side early on in the process. But here's what I
can tell you that the automobile insurance carrier has likely
already put Medicare on notice, and they would have had
to do that because you're not represented, and so the

(02:04:52):
rules of the Secondary pay or Recovery Act require that
they they do put Medicare on notice. So what my
advice to you is is you want tread very carefully.
You don't want to accept a settlement with this insurance
company that puts on you the duty of dealing with
any Medicare or leens. And I'm just telling you that Medicare,

(02:05:12):
to the extent that they paid anything out that was
related to the accident, will have their hand out to
get repaid. And you don't want to. You don't want
to do anything that would thwart their rights. And so
I'm pretty darned sure that the auto carrier would have
opened up acclaim with Medicare and you might have received
a letter along the way that you just didn't know

(02:05:33):
what it was really talking about from Medicare. Have you
seen anything like that?

Speaker 7 (02:05:38):
Not that I never know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
Okay, you may ask that adjuster that is trying to
get you to settle if if they have communicated with Medicare,
and if that thirty five hundred includes any money being
paid to Medicare and whether there's anything in the release.
But they won't give you that thirty five hundred without
you signing a release. And I just encourage you to
read that very carefully. See if it shifts to you

(02:06:01):
the burden of dealing with Medicare or if that's something
that they're taking care of themselves. But just don't do
anything that completely ignores Medicare. That's always a risky thing
to do. Okay, that's good advice. All right, all right,
good luck to you. Fred. Next time, give me a
call right after the accident and I'll be glad to
help you out. Okay, all right. Next we're going to

(02:06:23):
go to Daryl, who has a comment about Mark's. Called Daryl,
what's going on? How can I help you?

Speaker 10 (02:06:30):
Hey?

Speaker 12 (02:06:30):
I just wanted to. I hope Mark's still listening. So
I also farm, but I'm further south than he is, okay,
and went through the same thing, and the city of
Thornton will compensate him, Okay, but they won't until the
project that goes through his piece of ground is completely done.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Okay, So did you win through this?

Speaker 10 (02:06:57):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (02:06:57):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I've been going through it for two years.

Speaker 2 (02:07:00):
Tell me about the process.

Speaker 12 (02:07:03):
Well, you know, I'm sure that Mark has I'm sure
that that he has contacts. He would have to they
that he's been working with. But it's time consuming. Like
I said, I'm just now going through getting compensated for
two years worth of crop. Okay, So he will be

(02:07:25):
compensated because I'm being compensated, so they'll be fair to him.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
So who does he work with in that? Does he
work with the construction people or the city directly or
who did you work with to get your compensation?

Speaker 12 (02:07:40):
Well, initially from the goal, I worked with the actual
company that's putting the line in that for the city
at Thornton, Okay, And I worked with them, and I'm
sure I'm sure Mark's been working with them too, but
they their their portion of it is, you know, here's

(02:08:03):
what we're going to do, you know, and and when
it's all said and done, then the city actually has
a person that will get involved directly for the crop damages.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
Okay. Well, that's great to know. I really appreciate you
calling in. I'm sure Mark's still listening and he'll be
glad to hear that there's there's a process there so
anything else he needs to know about, no, just to be.

Speaker 12 (02:08:33):
It's aggravating for sure. And I know what he's going through.
I went through the same thing, and uh, it just
it just takes time. When the project is absolutely done, okay,
it has to be done through his peace. Then when
they're done, then they'll settle for him. And it's like

(02:08:56):
I said, I lost two years worth of crop, but
they're compensating me for two years with the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:09:03):
All right, cool, Hey, Darryl, thank you for calling in.
We really appreciate that information. It's very helpful. So we
are going to go to a quick break here. We'll
be right back getting close to wrapping it up for today.

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Speaker 2 (02:09:50):
All right, welcome back, Welcome back, John Fuller. Here we
are cranking through the afternoon. Here. We are going to
get back into our discussion with doctor Joel Cherdak, who
is live in studio with Denver regenitive or yeah, regenerative medicine. Here.
I've said it so many different times today, I'm starting
to combine words and stuff. So, so we were in

(02:10:12):
a discussion about peptides when we were so rudely interrupted
by Dimitri chiming in from the cheap seats over here
inquiring about sexual health medicine. Is that a component of
your practice as well? Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:10:25):
Yeah, in in the in respect that we prescribe the
medications that everybody knows is out there, to dala, to dalaphil,
SIDENTI phil. You know basically your your uh, your cals,
your generic cialis in your generic uh viagra, right.

Speaker 2 (02:10:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:10:44):
There are peptides that do increase, you know, erections if
you have a rectile dysfunction, but they don't really work as.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
Well as those other drugs got you. So, and when
we're talking about peptides and stuff, is there. I don't
want to overly simplify it. But you were just rattling off,
like you know, ten different ones off the top of
your head that you that you guys use for different
things and stuff. How does it typically work? Does somebody
walk in? Are your patients nowadays educated enough to walk

(02:11:14):
in and say I'm really interested in ABC and D
Or do you sit down and kind of work out
through a menu of sorts and say we're going to
build this custom formularity for you and this is what
we're gonna do. How does that work?

Speaker 4 (02:11:26):
Well, you know, peptides, as they're becoming more popular, people
are calling in with you know, wanting to get direction
on what would be best for that right and when
we can go through them. But you know, oftentimes we
get calls with people that say specifically they want this peptide,
they've heard of this peptide, they want this peptide, and
we might talk to them about adding other peptides like
we we like to combine them as well, in what

(02:11:47):
we call what the industry calls stack stack peptides, which
is combining a few different ones. So do you combine
those or do you get them combined and sent to
you in a in a custom formulary?

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
That patient.

Speaker 4 (02:12:01):
So sometimes the combinations are already pre blended by the
compounding pharmacy, gotcha. Other times they may come in separate
vials that you just you know, do separate injections for
each one.

Speaker 2 (02:12:12):
How big of a vial would it take to contain
all the peptides that Dimitri needs? That's a tanker truck?

Speaker 4 (02:12:22):
Yeah, no, I mean the vials come in in like
five and ten mL vials.

Speaker 2 (02:12:26):
Is that a big enough vile for Dimitri? Based on
what you know? I don't know. I don't know if
they make a vial big enough, that's my concern. We
may have to double up here or get a six
bag quantity or something. Talk about the cost of peptides,
I'm sure that's, like many of the other things we've
talked about today, not typically covered by insurance. It's something
that's on a cash pay type basis. Is that right? Yeah?

(02:12:50):
What is that a per peptide type expense? Or how
does it work? How does pricing work for that therapy?

Speaker 4 (02:12:56):
It's typically a monthly payment that we charge people. So,
like with most peptide therapy protocols will prescribe a two
month supply and charge people, you know, a set fee
for each month that covers the whole cost on our
six month program, it's a you know, so people will
start off on two months, then they'll take two to

(02:13:17):
four weeks off, and then we encourage them, if it's
working well, to go onto a six month program where
you're at four months worth of the peptide over a
six month period of time. And then the payments are
spread out over the six months, so you're paying a
little bit less per month than on the two month
program because you're paying for four months over size.

Speaker 2 (02:13:36):
And so if you've got a six month program, are
you doing, like you said, a four four weeks on,
two weeks off for four months on two months off?
How does that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:44):
Eight weeks on, four weeks off, Okay? Okay, so basically
two months on one month off.

Speaker 2 (02:13:49):
So I don't I don't want you to quote me
a price, but is there a range that a customer
could expect to spend for a peptide regimen and stuff
or I just you know, I would say an entry
level peptide like a growth hormone stimulating peptide, you're looking
about two to two fifty a month, okay, and it
goes up from there. The price is, you know, a

(02:14:10):
little bit less than it would be for an individual
peptide when you stack them, because you get a discount
for stacking them. Gotcha. So I don't want to leave
the show today without talking about kind of the future
of regeneritive medicine and what I alluded to earlier, which
is in my practice, you know, the ultimate decider of

(02:14:31):
whether something is reasonable, necessary, and related is a jury member.
It's a member of the community that gets to hear
evidence about the therapies that our patients have had to
go through and the results and the cost and everything else.
And it's the jury that decides if the ad fault
driver or the defendant gets to pay for that, and

(02:14:52):
we don't have to go through a medical review committee.
They don't care whether something is on an approved list
or an unapproved list. It's simply whether they find that
it's reasonable, necessary, and related. Right, And so I had
found in my own practice that that many times, you know,
I think back to my own shoulder where I had
to pay out a pocket and it wasn't covered on

(02:15:13):
insurance and stuff. But I've had plenty of patients that
have gotten stem cell treatment or other regenerative treatment modalities
that we include as part of their normal damages, and
the insurance companies will pay them without batting an eye.
Is that do you see the trend changing or where
do you see this going? In that respect?

Speaker 4 (02:15:33):
You know, as you know, we're talking about two different things.
We're talking about apples versus oranges. So you know, when
we're talking about the arena of personal injury where there's
an automobile carrier on it, and the burden of proof
is to, like you said, to prove to a jury
that it was reasonable and necessary, group health insurance is different.
The burden of proof is these multi site, thousands of patients,

(02:15:57):
double blinded studies, and in or to conduct these studies,
you need millions and millions of dollars. That's how the
big drug companies get their stuff approved.

Speaker 2 (02:16:06):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:16:06):
Peptides they don't offer the same type of return that
you would get with these With these drug sell they're
in the same thing with stem cells. I mean, if
we talk about stem cells specifically, you can get a
jury to understand how that works and say, yeah, this
was reasonable, necessary, and it did the job. But when
you're talking about group health, when you're talking about your
at No United healthcare. Those types of companies, they're not

(02:16:29):
going to prove it because it hasn't been proven through
double blinded placebo studies through big institutions where you would
have the financial backing of a big pharma company or
a medical device company. There just isn't the funding out
there because nobody's going to make you know, hundreds of
millions of dollars selling something out of it. It's coming
out of your own body.

Speaker 2 (02:16:49):
That's what I was kind of fixing to get to
is that, I mean, there's never going to be an
incentive for these large companies to really promote these alternative
quote unquote healthcare regiments, even though they work great. So
isn't don't you see? And really what I was getting
in is, don't you see the public, the consumers eventually

(02:17:10):
just pushing for this coverage and saying, you know, we
want this, it works, it's a healthy alternative. We don't
want to get rotator cuff surgery for thirty thousand dollars.
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:17:21):
Well, I've had this conversation with people who are involved
in the health insurance industry, right high up, people in
United Healthcare, and what they say, kind of off the
record is that what's the exclusion don't hold your breath,
what's the exclusion criteria. So, if the criteria is anybody
with arthritis, that's you know, three quarters of the population

(02:17:42):
we'd qualify for that, they don't want to cover that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:44):
They don't want to cover that. All right, we're going
to take one more quick break. We'll come back wrap
things up here. So hang with this. We'll be right
back