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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have you driven around Columbus lately? Hobos begging for money
on every corner roads, rade, incidents happening daily in random assaults.
They just seem to be more prevalent if you carry
a firearm or pepper spray or anything to defend yourself.
Have you thought about what will happen if the time
comes when you need to protect yourself and your family.
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Today you'll hear actual stories of Ohioan's protecting themselves and
the company who protected those victims long after the incident.
All that and much much more On Target is up next.
Good afternoon, Welcome on Target. We're broadcasting live from the
studios of LAPD Firearms Range and Training Facility that's located
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at nine to nine nine Bethel Road. I'm your host,
Eric along with I got big ed big Hey, I
got big head here. I'm welcome back. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I only missed one one week and then the week
before that you were closed, so.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I'm just happy. Yeah you found it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, you know what we got to.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Complain nine nine Bethel Road. Yes, we got a complaint.
Mm hm. You can't call those people hobos, Well, we're
gonna call him vagrants. Those are people who unhoused, unhoused
that's where they call him now unhoused needing help. So guys, uh,
today we got I got JC on the liveline as well.
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They see you there.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I am here and it's good to have you back.
You never looked better from here.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So well, well thanks, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
So j C. Did I tell you so last weekend?
You know, we did the show and stuff. But I
got a text right after the show. Did I did
I tell you this? JC? I didn't tell ED. I
didn't talk to me. So I get a text right
after the show last week from Bernie Marino and he says, hey, look,
we've been running crazy, obviously running around all around Ohio
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with his bid for the Senate. And he said, I'm
gonna have a little free time tomorrow after church, if
you're gonna be around, I love to stop up and
pop off a few rounds and blow off a little steam.
I'm like absolutely, So met Burnie up here Sunday and
we shot for a couple hours. Wow, he was here
with a couple of people, and really, I mean not
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to sound funny, but it was a blast. I mean,
we had a great time. Shot a bunch of different things.
At the end of it, I said, hey, do you
have you ever shot the Apodoc course? And he's like, no,
I would I ever shoot the Opota course. I put
him through the Opotoc course, said the twenty five round
a pot up police officer course. Pass it first, try
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no way, Yes, So I gave him an honorary badge
LAPD badge. Really just you know, our stickers and stuff.
But honestly, I mean it's not often and most people
don't have the opportunity to be able to sit down
and interact with some of these candidates, you know, one
on one, and to truly see how they are right
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and just the things that in that few couple hours
hours here you start to see how that person is,
how they interact with others and so forth, and what
a good solid person. I mean, really, we need to
get out there and vote and make sure and you
know something, you know, in Ohio we're fortunate because you know,
hopefully President Trump is going to lead the ticket here
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and we got to make sure people don't get lax
and say, you know what, I don't need to vote
because we feel confident about President Trump, because it's more
than just President Trump on there and it's the Senate,
and for you know, we need to make sure he
gets in there because there's so much at stake.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
They do want to assume just because everybody else wants
him that they don't need your vote. They need your vote.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
As well, right, So yeah, so that's just our piss
to get out and vote. Guys. We are the owners
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customers and listeners with safe, responsible ownership of firearms. Today, guys,
we of course we have JC in the news and
and do you remember just last week, just last week
talking about the FBI Uniform Crime report stats. Yes, and
well well well looky here President Trump right again in the debate.
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Do you remember in the debate where he was corrected
by I forget the guys named the ABC.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, David Mirror, there you got, the news moderator.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah. So during the debate, President Trump says, you know,
violent crime is up, and he's like you, no, excuse me,
excuse me? They said violent crime is down. Well well, well,
well just like the job reports that that on the
you know when the when the lights are off, they
re vamped the numbers. Well, they just revamped the FBI
uniform crime numbers from twenty twenty two. And guess what.
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I won't steal your thunder, JC, but JC is going
to talk about that. It it changed quite a bit, ed,
it changed quite a bit. So we'll see that coming
up here soon. And uh, well, let's see what else.
Got a couple of cool firearms to talk about. That
walked in the door this week and then at twelve thirty,
I owed super excited. Done walk walked right in ed
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And sometimes they call it by ourselves themselves. Occasionally they
do it at twelve thirty though, we are super excited.
And we've been talking about this for a long time.
We're gonna welcome Wilkes Ellsworth to the show. Now. He's
from US Law Shield, he's did our head program attorney
program attorney for Ohio and he's someone honestly, you hope
you never have to talk to. He's one of those
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attorneys here for US law Shield that will help represent
you if you are in a situation of defending yourself
and it doesn't have to be just with the firearm.
Its defense of yourself through hands, fift feet, through mate,
whatever the case is. And we invited him on today
because when I talk to him in passing, some of
the stories are so compelling to here how US law
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Shield has stepped in and helped these citizens like you
and I who you don't often think about. I mean,
we spend all this time talking about holsters and which
gun and which Ammo to buy, but do you talk
about what happens afterwards if you have to protect yourself.
And so he's gonna come on and tell us some
of those stories. And actually we're going to talk about
this week right here on October twenty third, right here
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at LAPD, there's a self defense class with these guys
over US law Shield as well, so we're going to
talk about that. And of course i'd like to thank
our sponsors, of course, US law Shield being one of
our big sponsors here, Jackson Negress, Windows, Black Wing Shooting Center,
rivers Edge Cullery and CN's Engraving, all who make the
show possible each week. Joining me today, as I said,
I got big edg to my right. Good to see you.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Good morning, good morning, good mones, afternoon.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You're right and JC, how are you doing up there
in cold country?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
In cold country? Actually it's been pretty warm up there.
This is pretty nice. There are more crowds up here
than we've ever seen. Yeah, we're are distained, but I'll
be back for all long. Having a second grandchild, we
found out, so we're we'll probably be back in town
for almost all the supper. So it looks a son
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getting married and all that stuff. So we have a
short stint up here. I'll be back in about three
weeks so for night perfect. Oh the deer. I looked
out the window. There were there were six deer pressing
their faces against our our downstairs window the other day.
So I mean, yeah, I guess I kind of just
opened the window and let them in. But uh yeah, so,
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uh it's more deer up here. Then they said that
they have had in a very very long time due
to the war.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I think that's the case everywhere. The population has just
exploded recently.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I got one last year, or it got me.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's one full speed into the side of my car
where I was doing fifty miles an hour. I didn't
even see it. It was just a wham bam, thank
you ma'am, and it was gone.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I didn't see you either.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, well he was jumping. So anyway, big, big news.
It's some major stuff. Are you ready for it?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Are you you know what? We are ready for it?
It's that important. So yeah, go ahead, GC, really.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, And I do have to emphasize that, you know,
when they talked about conspiracy, people going, you know, how
they have weaponized the FBI, the weaponized A lot of
people almost are getting tired of hearing about it. But
my god, it is. The truth is Democratic Party is
absolutely discussed what they are doing using all of these
agencies to attack Trump. So to televised debate, televised how
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many people in the nation watched the debate, you know,
between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. And instead of moderators
that actually there are three people on the side of
the Democrats. Both of the moderators were out attacking Trump.
But when Trump came out and said, hey, you know,
crime is so an important issue to the voters, and
crime is up, and and and infamously, there's an ABC
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News moderator, David Muir. I think he must be getting
paid by the White House. I don't know, but he
interjected saying, nope, you know that's wrong. FBI Crime Dowt
actually shows that crime is down two point one percent,
implying that this administration.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Is doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
It's down by two point one percent, and Trump said, well,
you know, he disagreed, said, well, you know, I think
crime is up. But what do you do when you're
fronted out like that with this report? Wow? Guess what?
Some people were a little suspicious of it. So doctor
John Lott, who's the founder and president of Crime Prevention
Research Center, looked into this and what did they find out?
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Not only was it not down by two point one percent,
but it actually was up four point five percent in
twenty twenty two. So what they were saying was down,
The difference is there was a six point six percent
increase over what the Democrats were saying during the public
debate that everybody got to see. So they left with
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crime was down. It actually was up six point six
percent from what they were talking about the negative two
twenty plus four point five. So anyway, but it wasn't
just a guess that he did. He had a fourteen
hundred and fifty word report on looking at absolutely everything,
and he said the actual changes in the crime report
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were really extensive.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
So get this.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
The updated report shows that there were eighty thousand and
twenty nine more violent crimes in twenty twenty two than
in twenty twenty one, eight and twenty nine, and he
broke it down. There were an additional of sixteen hundred
ninety nine murders, seven hundred and eighty rates, thirty three thousand,
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four and fifty nine robberies, in thirty seven thousand and
ninety one aggravated assaults. So the question is should we
ever trust the FBI's tasks under this administration? I mean, seriously,
that is so telling the country that no, no, no, Donald,
you're wrong, it's actually down and yes, yes, yes, Donald,
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you're right, it's actually six point six percent greater than
we were telling you. So. But he also he's claiming
perhaps that these revelations could be devastating to the Biden
legacy because this is actually surprising, And the quote was
that from his report. While the FBI claims that series
violent crime has fallen by five point eight percent since
Biden took office, So that's over the full time. The
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actual numbers show that the total violent crime has ridden
Get this though, has written a fifty five point four percent,
rape up forty two percent, robbery of sixty three percent,
aggravated assault a fifty five percent during Biden's administration, which
is more than twice as large as the largest previous
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n CRE over a three year period. Is that incredible?
That really shocked me.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
But John, and you know, I went and well two things. One,
I googled violent crime down because that was what they preached.
And the number of national headline headlines in the media
that that how did that? And the number of times
Kamalas said it and all the idiots said it. It's incredible.
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I mean, it's and it's all a lie. We knew it.
We knew it. It didn't feel right, and by golly,
as as always comes back when you start looking at
the status. It wasn't right. Casey did he say, how
did those numbers pop in? Was it other? Was it
data from specific cities that added? Well?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
He just went, I mean I don't know what he did.
It is for two thousand and fifty page reports. I
couldn't have done a wood report like that. But he,
you know, when he went through looking at everything, he
did give a percentage which I didn't put down here
on the number of he thinks that was wrong. Yep,
I said, seventy percent of the people reported. You and
I know that they didn't issue this report for a
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couple of years because they said they had to have
over fifty percent of the police agency's report, and many
did not. I mean he didn't list probably in his
article which I did read, but like Los Angeles was
mentioned as one that didn't submit their report. I mean,
you know, really, Los Angeles, they don't have their crime
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stats in there, so I guess that's why they're off
so much. But the fact is they're lying to the people.
They know it, and now did they know it? Actually
he did his report. He said they secretly corrected it,
but did not mention anything about it when they did
their September report this year, so they didn't mention that
their stats were wrong. He said he had to go
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through a review every single stat from twenty one to
twenty two and individually pull out each one. But still
it shocked me that I went crime has risen fifty
five point four percent during the Biden administration.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I wonder if David Mure will make a correction on
that right now. Okay, it's the same old thing they
say it, and it's out there and you know, under
the cover the darkness. Oh that was wrong, that was wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Lie.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, it's just it's incredible. Jac Let's go to a break.
When we come back with some more news and some
more stats before our guest at twelve thirty, we're on
talking at broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Farms. Arrange.
We'll be back right after the break. Your BC six
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Speaker 2 (15:03):
Trying to help you out, and you don't even have
me on asking me questions I can't answer.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You don't have me on.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Jeez, sixty five degrees, it's really sixty eight out there.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
What's the weather going to be tomorrow? Sonny? Sonny and seventy?
You listening to the song? Ed? Yeah, I'm not taking
it anymore. That's right, I've had it. Welcome back on talking.
I'm here's Derek Jointed in the studios. I got the
big Ed sitting to my right. I got jac on
the liveline. Still, JC, get us a little bit more news.
What else you got going on there?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Uh? Well, this is we've got a couple of things
that could be really big. For example, the states that
have banned possession of ar. I don't know if a
lot of people even know that, but there's a few
states out there but you can't possess ars. And what
happens if I only happened too bad? You got to
get rid of them for whole states. But it hasn't
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gone to Supreme Court yet, so they this was the cover,
of course, in several of the magazines bearing arms had
a good article on it. But so the Supreme Court
is kind of sending signals on gun ban cases. So
Maryland Attorney General Anthony Brown, he attempted to delay us
the preconsideration of the state's banned. So marijuana is banned
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what they call assault their definition of assault weapons. So
on Friday, Scotus issued and it was an unsigned order
just in general, getting hey, we're going to give you
a couple extra weeks to follow your response. He was
hoping to delay it like after the election. I didn't
want to have anything heard ahead of time, didn't want
to raise any any concerns while the voting was still
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going on. So anyway, but the Spring Court said, will
give you a couple of extra weeks and groups there
are two oaks that are well, actually there's this one
big case on this one and it's is the Scope case,
the Fourth Court, the Supreme Court. The Brown is wanting
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to have a Supreme Court review saying that their ban
is absolutely constitutional and yes, we can ban the ownership
of the millions and millions of ars, not to mention
the other guns that would fall under that category that
would be you know, tens and tens of millions more.
But so anyway, gave them another couple of weeks, and
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the attorney Mark Smith, who is challenging the band, said
that they've got a new schedule now because of this
they do in it a little bit of a delay
and the first Snoope case to be heard. It should
be heard in conference on the thirteenth of December, and
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this is the last conference day of the calendar year
for the Court, so he wanted to.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Get it in before the end of the year. And
then what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Is with this, they have their discussion, they're closed to
words discussion, what's.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Going going on, and they're going.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
To uh see if they should grant a cerory to
hear oral arguments to challenge Merilyn's ban on assault weapons.
So are they going to do it or not? Well,
there's no guaranteed that they that the court will grant
this cirtrory after just one conference. However, when you look
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at the judges on the court, because all it takes
is four judges to grant this uh circuri and five
to win on merit, So of course nine on the court,
so h four we'll just would would grant hearing uh
this this the orals of this case, and five to
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win on merits. But so they're looking at it just
to lift the folks out there. The scorecard is that
Gorsich and Alito and Thomas are are eager to hear
this Snope I said Scope it's s n o Pe
the Snope case, and tabim. They haven't kind of let Cavin,
robertson Barrett haven't really said. But when they look at Kavanaugh,
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they said he's probably the most likely to vote in
favor of granting the circuori and that he's previously his
opinions were that bands on somewhat automatic firearms label as
assault weapons are unconstitutional, and he did that in a
twenty eleven challenge to Washington d C's band on Modern
Sporting Rifles. Kavanaugh dessented with a majority. So they're figuring
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this is just a being optimistic that gorciat Alito Thomas
in the Cavanaugh also would that would be the fourth
member they need five, and the folks who are court
watchers saying that that pief Justice Roberts, he just doesn't
appear to be happy with the courts that have with
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the Fourth and Seventh Circuit courts because of what that
he was holding that commonly owned some automatic rifles. They
were holding that they weren't protect by the Second Amendment.
And Roberts said, way now, this doesn't seem to be right.
So Roberts maybe the fifth vote to find that the
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band is unconstitutional. So they're optimistic that the courts will
quickly grant the cert once the case is heard in
mid December again that's the thirteenth. The fairly confident that at
least they'll be five votes in favor of striking down
the ban on modern sporting rifles the AR fifteen and
holding that semi automatic firearms are just as protected by text,
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history and the tradition of gun ownership as the muskets
were back in seventeen ninety one. That's when the Bill
Rights went into effect, our repeating rifles in eighteen sixty eight.
They already had repeating rifles at that time. So that's huge.
I mean, it's a huge, huge case, and we're really
keeping our eye on it. So we have to get
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them to vote on this right of sort rory than
if one of the other justices goes with it, then
they're going up. They will you have the case, which
they think will be actually if they do hear it,
it'll probably be like June or July before the ruling
would come out. But I mean we're talking here, this
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is a really, really, really big case. So we're we're
keeping an eye on it. So there you go. So that.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
So Jac, we got about one minute here. Let me
throw something out there, Jac, And I didn't mention this
to you, but did you know there is, amongst other things,
rules in college football change or get tweaked year to year.
Right now, did you know that there is a new
rule out there in college football this year that it
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is an automatic unsportsmanlike conduct when one of the players
simulates shooting a firearm during their celebration. I did hear that,
And I don't Honestly, I don't know how I feel
about that. Part of me is like, hey, you know,
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I have visions of, you know, the fifth grader who
points his finger like like a firearm who gets suspended.
But I think, honestly, I think these players there's too
much show voting for me. So I don't like any
of it. But I don't know. I mean, I don't,
I don't know. I think I have a problem with that.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Well, it's just, let's face it, they're becoming woke everywhere,
and I mean, yeah, I understand that they don't want
to promote that and if someone points it to someone
and goes if they do it up in the air
like celebrating. I don't I don't know. I guess it's
up to the referee.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I mean, I mean, they're lively. The next step is
that you pointed at the other player. They're gonna wrest
you for assault.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Wow. I just thought they don't confiscate your guns, so
to speak, while you're on the field. Wouldn't that be great?
Take those fingers together, yeah, make sure that you can't
point that thing.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
So that's right, it's just kind of crazy crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We're gonna go to the bottom of the Iron News
when we come back. We have uh, we have our
good friend Wilks from US Lost Shield. You're not gonna
want to miss this. He's gonna talk about some of
the actual cases in Ohio where they've helped defend the
victim out of these cases, and it's something that we
all need to think about if you carry a firearm
in your daily life. We're on talk of broacasting life
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from the studios of l EPD Firearms and Range. You
will be back right after the news. Welcome back to target.
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There are there, you are, right, I turned the crowd
music on instead of you. That was the actual crowd, right,
here at l epdre live here, and that is the
actual studio crowd today. You know what, for for two
people in there, you wouldn't think they'd be that loud
here more than me. That is a true statement guys
at our store, and probably I'm speaking for most stores
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across the country. You know, we spend a lot of
time here teaching customers how to be proficient in using
their self defense tools such as firearms or mace or
whatever they choose. And we talk about getting the right
gun for the person, and we talk about the right
AMMO for the gun, we talk about the right holster,
but we haven't done a very good job teaching the
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customer or student about the realities of self defense. And
when you look at that, then when you look at
if you're ever in that self defense scenario, we always
say that's going to occur at a time and place
not of your choosing. It's not going to be the
day that you got to get my flashlight here, I
got my less lethal here, and this now it's going
to be at a time when you're not expecting it.
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And so today we wanted to talk to one of
our partners that we've had for a couple of years
now US Law Show. They're one of the main sponsors
of the show, a good partner here in the store,
and we wanted to talk to their their head program
attorney in Ohio, Wilkes Elworth, and he first time on
the show. I've talked to him a lot outside of
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the show, but welcome Wilkes. How are you, sir?
Speaker 6 (25:15):
I'm doing great? How are you?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
We are great? You know, every time you and I speak,
I hear the real stories about what you and and
lost you and US Law She'll do for the members,
especially right here in Ohio, And I think I thought
to myself over the years, others need to hear the
stories because we often get wrapped up in in you know,
talking about the uh, the you know, the little things
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in self defense, and we I think we look beyond
what's gonna happen if we do have to use this
firearm in a defensive scenario. So that's why I wanted
to bring you on, because I know you are on
the front lines of helping these victims be defended across
the country.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Well, I absolutely am. And let me just start off
by saying, you know, I I've been working with with
US Laws Shield for about eight years now since the
program rolled out in the state of Ohio, and it's
been literally one of the most if not the most
rewarding experiences of my career, which is going on twenty
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eight years now, of representing people that find themselves in
the system and they don't know what to do, they
don't know what to turn next. And so you're exactly right.
People are going about their lives on a daily basis
not looking for trouble, and you know, life just happens.
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Things happen many times through no fault of their own,
and then all of a sudden they're thrust into the
limelight of the system and they're scared. They're people that
have never been in trouble before, as you know. You know,
when I come to speak a LAPD, you know, I'm
talking to people from all walks of life, right, Lots
of new gun owners, people that have an idea that
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they need to protect themselves these days. I was listening
to your to your show a little while ago, waiting
for my turn, and you guys were talking about the
crime rates, and you know how the numbers are all skewed,
and you know, I see it out there. I know
I see it. I hear about it from our members
every day, and and you're exactly right. People need to
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be educated. They need to understand that no matter how
good they are, how law abiding they are, in this
day and age in the United States, you know, things
can just happen in a split second, and you may
find yourself in a scenario where you.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Have to defend yourself.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
So I relish my opportunity to come and talk to
people and and and educate them and try to keep
them out of that situation.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
And Wook's one of the things I think a lot
of people don't think about. There's a couple of different
sides of the fence here. You might be exonerated criminally,
but there's the civil side of it that always seems
to come into play now, and that can be just
as devastating, if not more so. It's something that I
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mean that it's all goes to the consideration whether you
want to carry a firearm for protecting yourself. And it's
not just a firearm, it's self defense in general. But
it's all things you need to think about long before
you ever have to use it.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Absolutely, I mean, you stated it perfectly, because people, you know, everybody.
And I say this in all and all my presentations,
all my speaking engagements I do. I always tell people,
you know, the only thing everybody ever thinks about when
they have a firearm, when they when they they they
go through scenarios in their head about what happens if
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I have to use this is the criminal liability aspect.
Am I going to get charged with a crime? Am
I going to lose my freedom? Am I going to
you know, have to go through the system and face
a judge and or a trial. And they never really
think about the other.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Side of it.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
So I can go through, you know, example after example
after example of of our members that have found themselves
in a situation where they've been charged with something criminally,
but there's a whole other side to it. Like you
spoke of the civil liability issues are I mean, like
you said, they can be just as bad and sometimes
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worse than the criminal. You can get charged with a
misdemeanor and it's upsetting and you've lived a law abiding
life your whole life, and you're facing this this misdemeanor charge,
and you know there's no chance you're going to go
to jail. There may be some probation or a fine
or something like that. Scary enough, right for the law
abiding citizen. You get sued lawsuits. Civil lawsuits can last.
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I mean I've been involved in cases that have lasted
years and years. They can be devastatingly expensive, and you know,
everything you've worked for, your whole life is at risk.
Now you talk about scary. You have expense, you have
the fear of losing all of your assets, you have
the you know, the trials and tribulations of having to
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go through this process for years. And people don't think
about that. They just think about, well, I don't want
to get charged with a crime. So yeah, you have
to look at it both ways for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Right, So give us an example, I mean, give us
some of the highlights of some of the stuffs you've
seen that people would be shocked at, or you know,
someone was going about their business and all of a
sudden found themselves under this scenario.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
Okay, I mean right off the top of my head.
And the one example I use consistently and it's really
one of the most rewarding outcomes I've ever had with
a US Laws shield member was a college kid. He's
twenty one years old, he's a football player. He's living
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his best life. He's performing on the field, he's performing
in school, and he's living in an apartment on campus
like many of us did that went to college. And
you know, they he and his roommate decided to allow
the roommate's cousin to stay with him. And the cousin's
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fallen on hard times and so they look look at
him and say, hey, why don't you come to stay with
us for a few weeks until you get on your feet.
He proceeds to just intrench himself in the apartment cause chaos.
He's aggressive, he's violent, he won't leave, he's stealing things,
he's threatening, and they're trying to get him out. After
months of trying to get him the police to do something,
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they calling the police, having him come to his apartment,
trying to evict him. One day, they finally changed the
password on the Wi Fi.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
They take.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
The locks and change them. They do. The guy goes crazy.
He gets extremely violent and aggressive with with the member again,
a twenty one year old kid, and the twenty one
year old you know, uses his firearm and fires what
people typically call it a warning shot in the hallway.
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As he's getting pursued by this crazy cousin who's got
a hammer, and the prosecutor in that town decides to
charge him with felonious assault, doesn't feel his actions were reasonable,
and this process starts. He calls the hotline. We get involved.
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I make trip after trip after trip, over the course
of about nine months to the town up in the
middle of Ohio, and we get to the trial dates
and they're offering him eight years, eight years in prison.
This kid whose life is about to start, he's got
one more year of college, he's you know, a sports star,
he's got everything ahead of him, and they want to
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put him in prison for eight years because of, you know,
his actions in that hallway that day, which I clearly
felt were justified, as did many others. So what did
we do. We declined the offer and were prepared to
literally call the jury in had subpoened every police officer
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in the town that it ever responded to a to
a report about this guy at this apartment, a subpoenas
lawyer who was going to handle the eviction. Everybody I
could bring in. We had a host of witnesses and
they ended up dismissing the charges. Five minutes before the
jury was about the walk.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
In the door.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
They realized they could not win this case and they
did the right thing. But that was I mean, that
is a perfect example. This kid's life was turned upside
down by the actions of another and thankfully I was
able to help him get through that, and the resources
I had at my disposal and the backing from us
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Lost SUEA was of great service. You know, we have
we utilize experts, we do all kinds of things, and
so that one to me, that kid, I'm not kidding you,
that was years. That was probably six or seven years ago.
That kid calls me at least once or twice a
year and says, hey, how you doing, gives me an
update on his life, and and just you know, I
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don't look for thanks in my job. I do my
job because you know, I've been trained to do it,
and I appreciate doing it for people. But it's a
I look forward to him calling every year and giving
me an update on his life. And he's just he's
living his best life. And that couldn't be more of
an example of someone who took advantage of the program
and it worked to his benefits.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, and good Ed I got a question for you.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
In a scenario that you just gave, when they realized
they weren't going to be able to get a conviction
or when why did they wait so long? And this
is the part that's tormenting for somebody that's in the scenario. Sure,
the months or years of worrying about it and thinking that,
you know, my life's going to end, and the stress
that they're under. Why why would this state wait till
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the last minute to say, yeah, we're going to dismiss it.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Well, in that scenario, typically, I'll give you the general overview. Okay,
Prosecutors are prosecutors. Prosecutors prosecute, defense lawyers defend, and prosecutors
get it in their minds that hey, this person's you know,
we've charged this person, and we've we've you know, secured
an indictment for this person, so we're gonna see it.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
To the end.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
And many of them, many of them will take it
all the way through a trial knowing full well that
either the person's been way overcharged or that they're not
they're not guilty of the offense. Other than just basic
claims from the other.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Side from the quote unquote victim in this case.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
I think in this situation, the prosecutor, you know, was
doing that for the nine months that we were defending
the case, and then when it came time to bring
a jury in and know he was going to have
to rely on this this erratic and aggressive and violent
quote unquote victim, that he did the right thing. I
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think he saw it for what it was. We had
many conversations with the judge and chambers, and I think
he realized, you know what, we're not going to win this,
and he did the right thing. Why does it take
them all the way to that point? I don't know.
I've seen numerous examples over my twenty eight years of
prosecutors having plenty of evidence to realize that their initial
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you know, assessment of the case is not that anymore
and still not dismissing charges. But many of them out
there do the right thing, and many don't. It's just,
you know, it's kind of a crapshoot.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
We're talking to Wilke Selsworth. He is the head program
attorney in Ohio for US Laws Shield. Wilks, are you
able to hang on for one sec to a break
and maybe I get to one other story? Oh yeah, absolutely, Okay, guys,
let's have to a break and we come back on
the other side talking more about how US Lost Yield
can protect you if you find yourself in that self
defense scenario. Won't target broadcasting a lot from the studios
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of LAPD Farms arranged. We'll be back right after the break.
Welcome back to on Target. I'm here's Eric joined today.
I got big ed to my right. I got JC
on the line. I also have on the line our
good friend Wilkes L's worth with US Lost Yield. He's
the head program attorney for Ohio. Wilks We are short
on time. We got about three minutes. Do you have
any other stories that people would be eager to hear
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about how you guys have helped victims across the Ohio?
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, I mean this one.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
This one will be quick and it'll kind of let
itself to that civil liability issue we talked about earlier.
People need to be very careful with their guns. When
I go out and do speaking engagements, I'm always telling people,
you know, you have to make sure this is a responsibility.
Having a gun is there for protection, for fun, for sport,
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but it also is a responsibility and people need to
make sure that they are responsible with their fi arms.
I had a member several years ago who was unloading
his firearm to go in and try it in some
holsters in a Cabella's store, and as he was unloading it,
he shot the passenger in his vehicle, purely accidental, what
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we call negligent.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
In my business.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
And in that passenger, who was a friend of his,
suffered injury to his leg that was pretty significant, requiring surgery,
and that passenger did sue him civilly to UH to
recoup you know, damages for the injuries and and you
know loss of work and and whatever permanent damage there
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may have been. So it just that quickly, and it
doesn't have to be some stranger in an alley. You're
unloading your gun in a sporting store parking lot and
you accidentally shoot your friend. And we've had lots of
members quote unquote accidentally again what I called negligently shoot
other people. UH, and it will open you up to
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some significant liability on the civil end. So that's a
perfect example of how you have to be careful with
your fires.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
It's exactly right, and we always talk about that. I mean,
it's a responsibility and of course it's a constitutional right,
but it is a responsibility that you need to think, Well,
beyond any of these things happen, what would I do
when this happens. I just assume something will happen at
some point, and I take that attitude and go over
it in my own mind in that way. But it
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is something that you have to think about, and it's
worth thinking about. If you're choosing to carry a firearm
for defending yourself, I mean that this part goes along
with it, but it's something you have to think about, Well,
are you going to be here teaching that this week
or one of your other coworkers on the twenty third?
Speaker 6 (39:48):
Oh, the event on the twenty third, I'm not you
know what, I'll have to check my calendar. It will
either be me or one of my associates. I'm not
sure I'll I don't have that one in front of me,
but it'll be either me or likely Chris. It could
be Chris.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Great, that's going to be right here at l EPD.
It's six to seven this I don't know what day
of the week that is October twenty third at you
know a day of the week of that is Wednesday, Wednesday, Yeah, Wednesday,
and that is a self defense. What happens next a
phenomenal class and you get to hear from the experts.
So we are so appreciative of you jumping on, Wilks,
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and of our partnership with you guys. And is there
anything we can ever do if you have any other stories,
reach out and we'll get you right back on.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Absolutely, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Great, well, you have a good rest of your weekend
there and maybe we'll see you this week or on
the next go round.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Absolutely. Okay, guys, have a good one.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Great, thanks Wilks. Guys, it's certainly something worth considering if
you're out there carrying a gun. We got a couple
of minutes left JC. Any thoughts on those stories.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Oh yeah, those stories are it's all out there. I
mean sometimes the truth is the stranger than friction. But
you know, you need to get this.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
You really have passengers.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
You know, you have car insurance. I mean, if you're
carrying a firearm, you know that leaves you, even in
a justified, as he said, situation, you could still be
sued and you need to have that protection.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
With all the illegal all the criminals that they're not
reporting all this stuff is happening. I mean, they're criminals
for a reason, and the murderers for a reason, and
they could be out there and you could encounter them,
so just be safe. Hey, I got a couple of
This is a real quick one. I think you guys
remember that while Governor Walls, he was trying to, like
a lot of politicians going, he wanted to show how
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much he's in pro gun, right, you know, So he
puts on the camouflage and and gets it was just
nothing but.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
A photo op.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
There are tons of cameras around showing him in the
field with this blaze orange outfit and fumbling for votes
in a field. As I say, and uh, but he
was he could.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
He struggled alone his own shotgun. If you watch him,
it was like he couldn't figure out how to get
the shelves in and this is the go to reportedly
told the news media he was fond of shooting, and
I thought that was funny. A couple of wags that
were there just said it looks as comfortable load to
a shotgun as Kamala does answering questions, and another one
said he's so bad with the weapon that he saved
American lives by not.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Being in a war zone. So but but what we
can't fail to remember because he goes here, I am
just like am I going a guy hunting. He's trying
to get you to forget. He wants to ban your
possession of a RS. Specifically, he says, we've got to
get these off of there. I was in the military.
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These are dangerous. We're going to we need to take
these away from the American people. So with all this
other crap he's doing, he and Kamala Uh, they want
to do this. They're going for election. They're going to
tell you anything that moon's made of green cheese. If
that's what you want to hear, they're going to say it.
But they are coming at If they would get in,
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you wouldn't believe what would be happenings. She banned all
handguns in San Francisco when she was there. She sponsored
it that passed and got overturned of course because it
was unconstitutional. She supported it. We did a rift to
support the ban of all firearms in Washington, DC, and
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she said that she would come into your home. She goes,
if you don't have them locked up, Yes, if you
think it's locked up, and we want to make sure
that we will come into your locked home and check
on it, so we cannot have her in office.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
And JC, we got to get to vote. I mean,
the gun owners of this country need to get out
to vote. They say in their own words, this isn't
us connecting the dots. They say in their own words,
We got to take them seriously. Guys, thanks for spending
the last week with us. Up next week, Lieutenant Governor
Houston stops in and Or calls in. Bernie Marino calls in.
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Is getting close to crunch time in we need to
support those who are going to support our right to
keep and bear arms. Thanks for spending the hour with us.
Good seeing you, big ed and as always, guys, get
out there and vote. Get out there and vote. Let's
be careful out there.