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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He is host of Ontarget. He's owner of LAPD Firearms
and Range over there on Bethel Road. Eric Delbert's joining
us now, And Eric, how are you brother?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm great? How could you be anything but great? When
that's seventy four degrees out? You know?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Oh so nice, so nice? But only to be the
rug pulled right out from under us tomorrow, the high
fifty two.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I still got the shorts in for the first time
this year, he did, he did. Do you like him?
Those are some nice legs, thank you. Those are some
nice leg heres are nice too, well, thanks?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But I got jeans around him.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You ever seen Erics?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I have not seen Eric.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Are you familiar with toothpicks?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh no, you don't get the comment. Are those your
legs are? Are you riding a chicken? You don't get that comment.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm going to keep this high level friendly.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, He's like, I just want you guys to know
I got guns, just so you go ahead pick on
my legs some more.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And he's like, don't think just because you're over there
in grab you. I don't have a gun that'll find
you over there, So you know, if.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
You just wait for a text later on, I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Just saying, I'm sure I'll get something nasty from you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You're right, though, man, it's so beautiful out and so on.
It's just a great day to be here in central
Ohio and so on. Set it bell fifty eight. Now,
I know this new law took effect last Wednesday here
in Ohio. The article that I saw from Channel six,
of course you're all through it. Then I saw, of
course the piece that was on TV that you were
(01:28):
on that as well. But talk to me about this
because they said it's poised to significantly impact gun owners' rights,
but in a good way. Correct in a good way.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And it's something that you know what Ohio did proactively,
and I'm so thankful to have the legislators in place
like we do that saw this and did you know
something proactive to help Second Amendment enthusiasts going forward. And
it had two different parts to it. One is it
ensures going forward that gun owners in Ohio will not
(01:58):
have to buy viability insurance simply for owning a firearm.
So there's no other constitutional right that says, you know,
you must buy insurance for it before you can exercise
that right. So that's that's a good thing. And that's
what we were seeing other states do doing, and there
was just really another hurdle put into place for gun owners.
The second one really affects the stores more than the consumer,
(02:23):
and that one says that going forward in Ohio, that
the banks can't mandate that the credit card processors put
something into place to identify transactions that are being done
at gun stores. And their whole argument was they were
going to monitor gun transactions by putting this code into place.
Our fear was if we were isolated out. The next
(02:46):
step and we've already started to see this out West,
was then to say, hey, look that's a risky industry
by their standards, and credit card fees for gun stores
are going to be five percent rather than two percent,
let alone tracking purchases of consumers at stores. So both
of those are really really good for second amendments.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, as far as they so let me get this straight,
they they were going to charge a five percent like
fee if it was gun store related.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well that's what we foresaw down the future. What they
were going to do was identify transaction at stores and
labeled them as gun store transactions. What they failed to
say is that when we pass a transaction along to
be paid in the merchant processing system. All we're passing
along is the credit card number and the total amount.
(03:40):
The banks don't see what anyone purchased that day. They
to see LAPDA and you purchased something for one hundred dollars.
It could be anything. It could be a safe for
a T shirt or whatever. And so for them to
say we're going to take that data and identify those
people as having purchased a firearm was totally off and
it had you know, I think nothing but bad things
(04:03):
could occur from that in the future.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah. And then as far as the insurance that they
were trying to say that, you know, as a gun owner,
you were supposed to have, you know, if you have
homeowners or anything of the like, even if you have
renters insurance or what have you. I would think so
unless there's negligence involved. But then that's going to end
up in court anyway. And then if you're if you're
(04:26):
found liable for that, it's a whole separate thing. You
wouldn't even I would imagine you wouldn't. You wouldn't be
able to get coverage or have it covered, say by
your homeowners if there was negligence involved, because most likely,
if there's negligence, there's probably a trip to the courts,
and then once they rule that against you, I think
that takes you out of the running for having any
(04:47):
kind of insurance anyway, or am I all wet on this?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No, I think you're right. But the other part of
that is, you know, they always do this or under
the you know, thinking that it is gonna, you know,
curb some of the violence we see in this treats
and put people in check. But the reality is the
only people that would comply are the good, law abiding
people who don't have these issues. To begin with, that
good point, the criminals aren't going to run out there
(05:11):
and get insurance for owning their illegal gun. I'm just
like they don't get in car insurance today. So you know,
the whole thing again was just another hurdle for the
law abiding gun owners.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, it's just it's another obstacle in our way. And
it also feels like a bit of a money grab.
But I'm sure they're assurance insurance companies going they might
have been on board with that, but then now that
I'm thinking about it, and of course this is a
real time because I haven't given it any real thought.
They might have also been like, well, we don't want
to ensure that. It almost might be like there's too
(05:42):
big of a liability there. Almost again, if you're if
you're in a let's say you're you know, you live
in Florida or you live in a high uh, you know,
a zone where there's you know a lot of catastrophe,
you know, nature catastrophes, Like they don't want to ensure
you there, or it's a crazy amount you.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Know, all right, and in dangers in the information though
you know that, Eric, it's not about the five percent
or anything else. It's about that information suddenly being in
a database where now your insurance company knows, your healthcare provider,
everybody knows you had a transaction at the gun store.
Suddenly you're no longer deemed an accessible or acceptable life
insurance risk because the presence of your gun may make
(06:21):
you suicidal. That kind of crap is what real danger is.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You're exactly right, Chuck. And the other part of that
was we were concerned that they would say, if they
identified this store with this code, that they would say, okay,
our credit card, our credit card if you purchase or
have this in your wallet. You can't use it at
gun stores, and we saw that. We have seen customers
come in and the credit card company say, no, that's
too risky of a business. You know, it's like they're
(06:47):
buying drugs on the street with their credit card, right,
and there's too risky of a business, and they deny
the charge. So I can only imagine if we were
identified specifically by this code what that could lead to.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, did you happen to see about Colorado and
one of the most restrictive gun laws in the country.
Where are you familiar with this whole situation or.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
No, No, I haven't. Was it recently?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, it was on Thursday and the governor there signed
into law what they're calling maybe the toughest gun control
regulations in state history. Under this new law, it's illegal
to buy, sell, and make most semi automatic firearms without
background checks and training. And you know, they go on
to talk about how this governor was under heavy pressure
(07:31):
to veto the bill from gun rights advocates, including Colorado's
Republican members of Congress, and they say this law is
incredibly unconstitutional, and then you know, the state sponsor was
trying to say, you know, it's life saving and all
of that, but yeah, it's the whole Basically it comes
down to also, in addition to everything else Colorado is
(07:53):
they're not going to be able to avoid this new
restriction by buying a gun in another state. Federal law
requires firearms to abide by the laws of the state
where the buyer lives. So if you lived in Colorado
and you go, okay, well I'll just got another state
and buy it doesn't matter. It's going to follow you
because the law in Colorado since you reside in Colorado.
But this is the whole thing. And I didn't I
(08:14):
sprung this on you, and I apologize there because I
wondered if maybe you had seen this by chance. And
it doesn't surprise me. I guess technically you'll get around
to probably seeing this. But guess what, we don't live
in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
So who cares?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Right, Yeah, And we try to cover a lot of
these stories because it's always kind of an insight into
what the far left is thinking about. What if they
had a choice of what they wanted to do to
gun rights and a lot of this stuff. The irony
is it has absolutely zero effect of what happens on
the street, and that's what everyone's concerned about, is the
(08:49):
crime on the street. So they'll put these things in
the place and then they'll turn around. Look, man, it
didn't have the impact that we thought we got to
do more, when in actuality, they're doing nothing to affect
the crime on the street. Put the back guys behind bars,
you know, stop plea bargain down weapons under disability charges.
Let's get serious on that side. That's when we'll start
(09:09):
to see the effect in the streets.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The biggest thing with this is they require the training.
So you know, say somebody came in they would have
to then't go through training. That would I mean clearly
that's more money for you, But you guys would be
against that. You're like, look, that's unconstitutional to require that.
That's not how that works, right.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Right, And that's kind of the whole premise on the
constitutional carry. I mean that's where we struggled. I mean,
we're big advocates for training, but the Second Amendment doesn't
say you can carry a gun or own a gun
only after you pay the government sixty five dollars and
go do training. So that's where the constitutional carry is
is so important.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, exactly man. He is host of on Target. He's
owner of LVPD Firearms and Range. Eric Delbert very insightful.
Love when you come on, brother, and sounds like everything's
going great for the shop and for you personally, and
it's good to hear. And thanks very much for jumping
on with us.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Thank you guys. And hey, this Saturday our five hundredth
radio show.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh my gosh, that's huge.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Wow, I didn't know that. That's that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Are you gonna is there a lot of fanfait You're
gonna have a bunch of really special guests or are
you just gonna be like, Nope, it's the fit five hundred,
then we're just gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
No, No, we're having a bunch of people call in
and actually we're so fortunate. Hitcock forty five, who is
a YouTube sensation eight million followers, is driving up to
join us and sit in person with us for day.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Oh well then I'm showing up. That's really gating.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That is really cool. We'll all be listening at noon,
correct Saturday.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
At noon, Yes, sir, very good?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
All right, Eric, thanks again, and congratulations brother.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Thanks guys. You guys be safe for the weather, You too,
man Seeya
He is host of Ontarget. He's owner of LAPD Firearms
and Range over there on Bethel Road. Eric Delbert's joining
us now, And Eric, how are you brother?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm great? How could you be anything but great? When
that's seventy four degrees out? You know?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Oh so nice, so nice? But only to be the
rug pulled right out from under us tomorrow, the high
fifty two.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I still got the shorts in for the first time
this year, he did, he did. Do you like him?
Those are some nice legs, thank you. Those are some
nice leg heres are nice too, well, thanks?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
But I got jeans around him.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
You ever seen Erics?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I have not seen Eric.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Are you familiar with toothpicks?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Oh no, you don't get the comment. Are those your
legs are? Are you riding a chicken? You don't get that comment.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm going to keep this high level friendly.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, He's like, I just want you guys to know
I got guns, just so you go ahead pick on
my legs some more.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
And he's like, don't think just because you're over there
in grab you. I don't have a gun that'll find
you over there, So you know, if.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
You just wait for a text later on, I'm.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Just saying, I'm sure I'll get something nasty from you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You're right, though, man, it's so beautiful out and so on.
It's just a great day to be here in central
Ohio and so on. Set it bell fifty eight. Now,
I know this new law took effect last Wednesday here
in Ohio. The article that I saw from Channel six,
of course you're all through it. Then I saw, of
course the piece that was on TV that you were
(01:28):
on that as well. But talk to me about this
because they said it's poised to significantly impact gun owners' rights,
but in a good way. Correct in a good way.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And it's something that you know what Ohio did proactively,
and I'm so thankful to have the legislators in place
like we do that saw this and did you know
something proactive to help Second Amendment enthusiasts going forward. And
it had two different parts to it. One is it
ensures going forward that gun owners in Ohio will not
(01:58):
have to buy viability insurance simply for owning a firearm.
So there's no other constitutional right that says, you know,
you must buy insurance for it before you can exercise
that right. So that's that's a good thing. And that's
what we were seeing other states do doing, and there
was just really another hurdle put into place for gun owners.
The second one really affects the stores more than the consumer,
(02:23):
and that one says that going forward in Ohio, that
the banks can't mandate that the credit card processors put
something into place to identify transactions that are being done
at gun stores. And their whole argument was they were
going to monitor gun transactions by putting this code into place.
Our fear was if we were isolated out. The next
(02:46):
step and we've already started to see this out West,
was then to say, hey, look that's a risky industry
by their standards, and credit card fees for gun stores
are going to be five percent rather than two percent,
let alone tracking purchases of consumers at stores. So both
of those are really really good for second amendments.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, as far as they so let me get this straight,
they they were going to charge a five percent like
fee if it was gun store related.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well that's what we foresaw down the future. What they
were going to do was identify transaction at stores and
labeled them as gun store transactions. What they failed to
say is that when we pass a transaction along to
be paid in the merchant processing system. All we're passing
along is the credit card number and the total amount.
(03:40):
The banks don't see what anyone purchased that day. They
to see LAPDA and you purchased something for one hundred dollars.
It could be anything. It could be a safe for
a T shirt or whatever. And so for them to
say we're going to take that data and identify those
people as having purchased a firearm was totally off and
it had you know, I think nothing but bad things
(04:03):
could occur from that in the future.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah. And then as far as the insurance that they
were trying to say that, you know, as a gun owner,
you were supposed to have, you know, if you have
homeowners or anything of the like, even if you have
renters insurance or what have you. I would think so
unless there's negligence involved. But then that's going to end
up in court anyway. And then if you're if you're
(04:26):
found liable for that, it's a whole separate thing. You
wouldn't even I would imagine you wouldn't. You wouldn't be
able to get coverage or have it covered, say by
your homeowners if there was negligence involved, because most likely,
if there's negligence, there's probably a trip to the courts,
and then once they rule that against you, I think
that takes you out of the running for having any
(04:47):
kind of insurance anyway, or am I all wet on this?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No, I think you're right. But the other part of
that is, you know, they always do this or under
the you know, thinking that it is gonna, you know,
curb some of the violence we see in this treats
and put people in check. But the reality is the
only people that would comply are the good, law abiding
people who don't have these issues. To begin with, that
good point, the criminals aren't going to run out there
(05:11):
and get insurance for owning their illegal gun. I'm just
like they don't get in car insurance today. So you know,
the whole thing again was just another hurdle for the
law abiding gun owners.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, it's just it's another obstacle in our way. And
it also feels like a bit of a money grab.
But I'm sure they're assurance insurance companies going they might
have been on board with that, but then now that
I'm thinking about it, and of course this is a
real time because I haven't given it any real thought.
They might have also been like, well, we don't want
to ensure that. It almost might be like there's too
(05:42):
big of a liability there. Almost again, if you're if
you're in a let's say you're you know, you live
in Florida or you live in a high uh, you know,
a zone where there's you know a lot of catastrophe,
you know, nature catastrophes, Like they don't want to ensure
you there, or it's a crazy amount you.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Know, all right, and in dangers in the information though
you know that, Eric, it's not about the five percent
or anything else. It's about that information suddenly being in
a database where now your insurance company knows, your healthcare provider,
everybody knows you had a transaction at the gun store.
Suddenly you're no longer deemed an accessible or acceptable life
insurance risk because the presence of your gun may make
(06:21):
you suicidal. That kind of crap is what real danger is.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You're exactly right, Chuck. And the other part of that
was we were concerned that they would say, if they
identified this store with this code, that they would say, okay,
our credit card, our credit card if you purchase or
have this in your wallet. You can't use it at
gun stores, and we saw that. We have seen customers
come in and the credit card company say, no, that's
too risky of a business. You know, it's like they're
(06:47):
buying drugs on the street with their credit card, right,
and there's too risky of a business, and they deny
the charge. So I can only imagine if we were
identified specifically by this code what that could lead to.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, did you happen to see about Colorado and
one of the most restrictive gun laws in the country.
Where are you familiar with this whole situation or.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
No, No, I haven't. Was it recently?
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, it was on Thursday and the governor there signed
into law what they're calling maybe the toughest gun control
regulations in state history. Under this new law, it's illegal
to buy, sell, and make most semi automatic firearms without
background checks and training. And you know, they go on
to talk about how this governor was under heavy pressure
(07:31):
to veto the bill from gun rights advocates, including Colorado's
Republican members of Congress, and they say this law is
incredibly unconstitutional, and then you know, the state sponsor was
trying to say, you know, it's life saving and all
of that, but yeah, it's the whole Basically it comes
down to also, in addition to everything else Colorado is
(07:53):
they're not going to be able to avoid this new
restriction by buying a gun in another state. Federal law
requires firearms to abide by the laws of the state
where the buyer lives. So if you lived in Colorado
and you go, okay, well I'll just got another state
and buy it doesn't matter. It's going to follow you
because the law in Colorado since you reside in Colorado.
But this is the whole thing. And I didn't I
(08:14):
sprung this on you, and I apologize there because I
wondered if maybe you had seen this by chance. And
it doesn't surprise me. I guess technically you'll get around
to probably seeing this. But guess what, we don't live
in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
So who cares?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Right, Yeah, And we try to cover a lot of
these stories because it's always kind of an insight into
what the far left is thinking about. What if they
had a choice of what they wanted to do to
gun rights and a lot of this stuff. The irony
is it has absolutely zero effect of what happens on
the street, and that's what everyone's concerned about, is the
(08:49):
crime on the street. So they'll put these things in
the place and then they'll turn around. Look, man, it
didn't have the impact that we thought we got to
do more, when in actuality, they're doing nothing to affect
the crime on the street. Put the back guys behind bars,
you know, stop plea bargain down weapons under disability charges.
Let's get serious on that side. That's when we'll start
(09:09):
to see the effect in the streets.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
The biggest thing with this is they require the training.
So you know, say somebody came in they would have
to then't go through training. That would I mean clearly
that's more money for you, But you guys would be
against that. You're like, look, that's unconstitutional to require that.
That's not how that works, right.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Right, And that's kind of the whole premise on the
constitutional carry. I mean that's where we struggled. I mean,
we're big advocates for training, but the Second Amendment doesn't
say you can carry a gun or own a gun
only after you pay the government sixty five dollars and
go do training. So that's where the constitutional carry is
is so important.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, exactly man. He is host of on Target. He's
owner of LVPD Firearms and Range. Eric Delbert very insightful.
Love when you come on, brother, and sounds like everything's
going great for the shop and for you personally, and
it's good to hear. And thanks very much for jumping
on with us.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Thank you guys. And hey, this Saturday our five hundredth
radio show.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh my gosh, that's huge.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Wow, I didn't know that. That's that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Are you gonna is there a lot of fanfait You're
gonna have a bunch of really special guests or are
you just gonna be like, Nope, it's the fit five hundred,
then we're just gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
No, No, we're having a bunch of people call in
and actually we're so fortunate. Hitcock forty five, who is
a YouTube sensation eight million followers, is driving up to
join us and sit in person with us for day.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Oh well then I'm showing up. That's really gating.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That is really cool. We'll all be listening at noon,
correct Saturday.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
At noon, Yes, sir, very good?
Speaker 1 (10:38):
All right, Eric, thanks again, and congratulations brother.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Thanks guys. You guys be safe for the weather, You too,
man Seeya
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