Chicago Insight July 19th 2026

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm your host, Daryl Dennard. This show is all about

(00:02):
informing you about the institutions as well as the individuals
who are doing extraordinary things in our cities and communities.
The Obama Presidential Center is a magnet for community based
organizations looking for a venue to hold their fundraisers. This morning,
we'll learn about two of them, the Emmit and Mamie
Till Foundation and the Mayfair Dance Academy. Will begin with

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a celebration of the eighty fifth anniversary of the birth
of Chicago native Emmitt Till. July Mark's a unique combination
of events that create the fabric that is known as
the American Quilt. Joining us this morning to talk about
this historic confluence is Christopher Benson, Lawyer, Emmy Award winning journalist, professor, author,

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and co founder of the Emmett Till Institute. Chris, always
a pleasure to have you join us. Why is July
twenty twenty six considered an American reckoning?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, thank you, Jeryl for having me on your segment.
Is always an honor to be able to talk to
you as an admirer of your work. But the month
of July, as you've indicated, as a moment of convergence. Right,
it's one month, one message, one challenge that's issued by
immit Til. We have at the beginning of this month

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the commemoration of the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary the
Declaration of Independence, and on the twenty fifth of July,
we have what would have been im Mat Till's eighty
fifth birthday. So we've taken the entire month of July
to bring all of these things together and show people
that the promise that was made at the time of

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the Declaration of Independence is not fulfilled. And immitt Til
stands as a constant reminder of the challenge that we
face to make those words real, to make those words
of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness real. So
we've dedicated the month to our program immitt Til, the
Pursuit of Happiness and American Reckoning. And I worked for

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the last six months of maymbe Till Mowgli's life, the
mother of them Attil, to make sure her story would
continue past her life. She was a teacher in the
Chicago Public school system and one of the signature that
actually the signature program of our effort is a summer
Academy for high school students to study the real meaning

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of the m Mattill story and the context of power
in America. And that's what we're celebrating this month.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, and we have to tell our listening audience that
you literally co authored two of the seminal books on
Emmett Till Death of Innocence, the Story of the Hate
Crime that Changed America, alongside with Mayme Till Mobley in
terms of co authoring that, and you also teamed up
with Till's cousin and best friend, Reverend Wheeler Parker Junior,

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to co author a Few Days Full of Trouble Revelations
on the journey to Justice for my cousin and best friend, Emmett.
Why is it important for us, during this time of
evisceration of the Black contributions to America to come to

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a reckoning in terms of the influence that aim Till
has in terms of shaping us into the country that
we are today.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, it's a great question. You know, we can't really
move forward until we understand how we got to this point.
And we can't understand how we got to this point
unless we know the history at least of the last
half of the twentieth century. And you can't understand that
unless you know the civil rights movement. You can't possibly

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know the civil rights movement unless you know the story
of m Mattil. M Mattil was the bridge that took
us from the legal struggle that resulted in Brown versus
Board of Education to the mass movement that started in Montgomery,
Rosa Parks was influenced by an inspired by the sacrifices
that were made by people after the death of Vittil,
people who stood up and risked their lives to try

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to bring about a just result. So Immettil is on
a direct line with everything that we've experienced now. And
our closing program is going to be on the thirty
first of July at the Obama Presidential Center, and there's
a direct line between Immattil and Barack Obama because had
it not been for the sacrifice of Immatil's mother and

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why that, I mean the sacrifice of her grief right
to teach us the lesson of I Mattil, if it
hadn't been for that, the civil rights movement would not
have been inspired. And that obviously led to the election
of the first African American President of the United States.
So we're so proud to be sponsoring this event in
the house that Obama built. And by the way, you

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mentioned Immitt's cousin. I did co author that book with
the Reverend Reeler Parker Junior. He is going to be
our featured presenter at this event and talk about the
in Mattil that few people really know. He's going to
humanize Im Mattil as his friend, but also talk about
the work that we conducted on a four year ride
along with the FBI and its investigation into the murder,

(05:12):
the lynching, the brutal lynching of m Mattil, and so
there are revelations that we'll be able to share with
the people who attend this event on the thirty first.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, and once again instad eighty fifth Birthday Commemoration dinner.
This is a fundraiser, folks, and the work that the
Till Institute does, particularly among young people. It started with
high schoolers and now it's impacting college students. Talk about that, Chris.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh, it's an amazing experience. We have a richly diverse
group of students, high school and now college students who
were drawn to this theme that we have the im
Matil in Matil, the pursuit of happiness and American reckoning.
They're drawn to the ongoing program we have Till Life
Matters initiative, racing the past, empowering the future, and they

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are ready for this conversation. We have, as I mentioned,
just a richly diverse group, which is what America is
becoming right, no longer a racial or ethnic majority, and
they are equipped to understand the lessons that Immettil can
still teach us and ready to meet the challenge of
immitt Til. They know that there are people out there

(06:23):
who are trying to erase our story. This is a
period of eracism right where people are trying to ban
books and censor conversations. They still they're trying to erase
Immittil story because they say that's too painful for kids,
and they mean white kids. We got white kids and
black kids, and brown kids and kids. We got a
rainbow of kids who are there saying, no, you don't
need to protect us from this story. We want to

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know this story, and we want to know all the
other related stories, to know the sacrifices that help to
move us forward so we can continue to lead in
the future.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
I personally had a chance to witness them meeting together
to talk about the impact that the Academy has had
on their lives, and it is truly a wonderful picture
of the quilt, the diverse quilt that is America. We
want to tell people that they can still purchase tickets
and there may be sponsorship opportunities for the eighty fifth

(07:16):
Birthday Celebration dinner taking place at the Obama Presidential Center
Home Court, that beautiful facility with a gigantic gym. That's Friday,
July thirty first, at six pm. And the best way
for them to purchase tickets, or find out sponsorship opportunities,
or just make a donation if they aren't able to attend,
is by visiting Tillinstitute dot org. I want to also

(07:40):
talk about this other event that you have called Radical Joy,
a birthday celebration that's taking place at Blanc Gallery right
on King Drive there, matter of fact, is Steam Drive.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah. So we have three major programs for the summer.
One is the Summer Academy, so the students come together
to study, to present video production and also artwork. But
the second event is a gallery exhibition at Bloc as
you mentioned, and we've had three public programs associated with that.

(08:15):
The last one is on the twenty fifth of July Saturday,
and it's an art exhibition, but we're also going to
have a spoken word and music to celebrate in Matild's life.
It's his birthday, but you know, think about it, it's
also his mother's birthday, and so we're celebrating her as
well as him, and basically is celebrating all of us

(08:35):
in our dedication to keeping his story alive, keeping her
story alive, keeping our story alive, because it's all connected
and it's so vitally important. And we've drawn you huge
crowds to the gallery where artists have interpreted in just
really powerful ways, interpreted different aspects of the Till story,
their vision of I Matil, and it's a remarkable thing.

(08:58):
People need to come just to see the art, also
come to hear the music, and then they can come
the following week on the Friday, the thirty first, we
have a beard celebrated, honored award winning James Sanders, the
owner of Sanders Barq in Beverly, soon to come to
Hyde Park by the way, but he's curating the dinner

(09:21):
obviously he's the chef for the dinner, and he's put
together the most amazing menu. Starts with a box lunch.
Imagine this, a box lunch that mimics what Immittil would
have taken on the train, with a little piece of
fried chicken, some deviled eggs and a picture in it
on the cover, and people going to want to keep
that box, by the way, But that's just the appetizer.
And he's got, you know, a wonderful green salad and

(09:45):
a wonderful andrea And I'm not going to spoil it
for people because you got to come there and taste this,
because we did a tasting. It's absolutely amazing. He is
a genius when it comes to the kitchen and we're
so honored to have him there. So look forward to
that too. Come for the food, stay for the inspira.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
And also support the Till Institute. I wish I had
more time because if you would have summarized the impact
that Emmettil has had on your life, how would you
do so?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Chris, Oh, it's been amazing. I you know, as you say,
I'm a journalist, I'm also a lawyer, so I'm an advocate.
I met Mamie till Mobiley twenty two years ago, and
we were talking to her about trying to take her
story to film. She found out I had written a book.
I also edited Patti Labelle's memoir, and when she found
that out, she just turned. The whole conversation changed, and
she said, I've always wanted to write a book. And

(10:34):
that changed my life because I said, okay, Well, I
could have told her I'll wait six months until I
do my second novel, and we would have lost this
story because she she left us six months later. So
it changed my life in finally realizing that, yes, the
worok I do as a journalist is important, but this
gave it a full context. And I've been teaching im
mat Til ever since. I've been doing a lot of

(10:56):
public speaking on im Mattil, a lot of it for free,
because I just want people to know the story that
she wanted people to know about her son and about
the connection to our progress. It's vitally important because now
more than ever, we're being challenged. As we said, people
are trying to erase our story. People are trying to
diminish our rights, our voting rights, and we need to

(11:16):
step up like we did before now more than ever before,
and so it changed my life as an advocate to
get out there and tell the story and help to
inspire people. So Tillinstitute dot Org get on there and
support us.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Chris Benson, we thank you so much for joining us
this morning.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Thanks for having me there.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
This August first, the Obama Presidential Center will host an
event near and dear to the heart of the nation's
former first Lady, Michelle Obama, as the Mayfair Academy, one
of Chicago's oldest community based performance art companies, will hold
its Mayfair Honors ceremony. Joining us this morning to discuss
this historic occasion and give us the storied history of

(11:57):
the Academy. Our Pege Sutton. He is the daughter of
the Academy's founder and the current executive director, and Joshaun Buckner,
who is a former participant and award winning producer. It
is a pleasure to welcome the both of you to
the program. I guess I got to start with you, Peggy.
Everything in your life pretty much revolves around dance and

(12:19):
revolves around the Mayfair Academy. Take us back to the
founding of the Academy. Why your father the world renowned
tap dancer.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yes, in nineteen fifty seven, my father Tommy Sutton established
a Mayfair Academy on Chicago's South Side. Actually at the
time it was on seventy ninth in South Park. And
the reason he did this was to provide excellent dance
education for the children of his community, which then children

(12:55):
couldn't actually take classes outside of the community. They couldn't
go downtown. So he wanted something on the south Side
that would exemplify dance excellence. And so that's how he
created Mayfair Academy.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
And we have to say that people have to understand
when they go back to the forties and the fifties,
there were dance academies all throughout the United States. Everybody
went to a school to learn how to dance. But
Black communities, even though we were the creators of the
dances that they were being taught, were somewhat disenfranchised because

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we didn't have an organized facility to engage in instruction.
And that's where your father, Tommy Sutton was just trailblazing
in terms of starting the Mayfair Academy exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
And also at that time, there were not a lot
of opportunities for dancers of color and you know, to
participate in dance education. So that's why May Fear was
is and will always be so important to our community.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
So take us back to this wonderful period in terms
of the late nineteen fifties, Chicago is bustling black communities
that thriving. In fact, right on sixty third Street was
the district, the shopping district whose sales tax revenue literally
rivaled that of downtown Chicago. Was the second most positive

(14:36):
sale tax revenue source of the city of Chicago other
than downtown in the Loop. So we had this thriving
black community. What was it like? You know, I know
that you know, you're still a young person there, but
what was it like in terms of being there at
that seventy ninth Street location, and how did you get
to move from that location?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
It was great being on seventy ninth and and Key Drive.
It was a supportive community where at the time we
supported each other and all types of businesses and also
in the arts. So it was a thriving community and

(15:19):
it was great to be a part of it, especially
as a young child.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, and so did he specifically have a curriculum in
place where he said I want to train, and primarily
was for girls. If I'm not mistaken, is that correct?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Primarily, but we definitely had male students.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, but you know what did he stigmatize it in
terms of age categories and instruction. I'm trying to get
a picture in terms of just what it was like
to attend and participate in the academy at that time.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Well, we offered all types of dance, tap, ballet, jazz,
but the main thing at that time was my father
really wanted a school that was available to all children,
regardless of shape, size, age color. Anyone that was interested

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in dance could go to Mayfair and thrive at Mayfair.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
And that's incredible because many times when we look at dance,
particularly in terms of classical instruction, whether the Balanchine method
or Martha Graham in terms of modern dance, and then
of course Arthur Mitchell of an Avy, we look at
one particular body type. Yeah, but your father was unique

(16:45):
in terms of saying, hey, now we come in all
different shape, sizes and tones.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Exactly, and all those different sizes of shapes and domes
want to dance, So we don't want to limit it
just to those particular body types or colors.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Now, did he force you know, listen, I'm a parent
and grandparent, and you know parents can be pretty persuasive
in terms of having their children participating things. Did he
kind of force you into dance or what was the
encouragement that you received?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
No, we weren't forced. It was just what we did.
It was part of our family. You know, our family
grew up in a dance school, so it was just
what we did every almost every day. And we were
at the studio, so it wasn't forced, but we were there.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
What precipitated the move from seventy ninth Street to its
new location or then new location.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
At the time just the the growth, Yeah, you know,
the rise and enrollment. You know, Mayfair became very very popular,
and so on seventy ninth and King Drive it was
just a storefront. But then we moved, actually we moved
to seventy six and Cottage first, and then we moved

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to our iconic address at ten twenty five East seventy
ninth Street.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, what was so iconic about that East seventy ninth
Street location in terms of not only from a memory
perspective for you, but also for the participants.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Well, at the time, seventy ninth Street, like I said,
was thriving. You know, we were right down the street
from Sears for those that remember that.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
And you know it was just a ga restaurants, black
shoe stores, black yes, hair saloons, places were by trophies, everything.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, it was just a great place for the youth
of Chicago to be. It was a place that they
could call their own and just a place where they
could go and dance and perform.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, I want to bring Joshan Buckner into the conversation
right now. Joshan described for me your first introduction to
the Mayfair Academy.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
I think it started before I was born. So my
grandparents founded Mayfair and right around the time that I
was born, my mother took over as the leader of
Mayfair when my grandfather retired. So, like she was saying,

(19:48):
it's something that our family did. So I don't have
a time in life that Mayfair was not a part
of my world in some aspects. So I started out
d sing and then sometimes I would assist the teachers,
and I grew up in awe of other and my

(20:09):
mother and my aunt tap teachers and running a dance school.
So that was really my introduction to Mayfairs. My family
and I grew up with no biological brothers and sisters
in my early years, and so Mayfair and the community

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and the girls there and the boys there, they were
my friends, my sisters, my cousins. It was really my
family outside of my house.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Now this was at what location?

Speaker 5 (20:48):
This was at seventy ninth Street, So ten twenty five
East seventy ninth is where I primarily grew up. When
we moved to eighty seventh and be it, I was
an adult but still participating. I've always been a part
of archiving our history, celebrating our history, and then began

(21:11):
to run our board of directors in twenty nineteen, I believe, yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Right before COVID. In fact, will that have to be
a difficult time?

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (21:25):
What do you find You are an award winning producer
in terms of video production, But what do you find
most compelling about this story that has yet to be told?

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Oh that's a great question that has yet to be told.
I think a lot of it is what I said
about the community and the family. So people, yes, know
Mayfair as a great place for dance instruction, for the inclusivity.
But what is a special yet challenging to capture, is

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that community aspect, the family that was created. It's really
something that if you have not experienced it.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
It's hard to describe.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
However, it's important to talk about all aspects of this community,
and that is a part of the story that I
want to make sure is included in our history and
our celebration. So, for example, when we talk about former

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First Lady Michelle Obama being a Mayfair alumni.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yes it's pride.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yes we're kind of bragging, but it's to say this
special family, this special sisterhood includes a range of people,
including a person that we openly embrace, Michelle Obama.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Peggy talk about in terms of what is the current
status of the academy right now and where is it
located in its new iteration.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Well, we actually had to close our pro dance programming
in twenty twenty due to COVID, so we sold the building,
not the business, but we sold the building to the
Chicago Human Rhythm Project and that became the Mayfair Arts
Center MAC and so they are like a dance an

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arts incubator for smaller companies, but they also carry on
the legacy of Mayfair Academy, myself and my father. So
right now, like I said, we're not actually doing any classes,
but we are planning to start some classes in the
very near future at the MAC Center, So everybody should

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stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, and it's something as a prelude to that to
honor this extraordinary history, is that you're going to hold
the Mayfair Honors on August first over at the Obama
Presidential Center. Talk to me about the event and why
it is going to be the party with the purpose.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Oh, it is going to be such a great event.
We are all getting so very excited, as we did
just a couple of weeks ago when the Obama Center
opened and had that beautiful opening ceremony. So it just
as they talked about bringing the Obama Center to the
South Side, and why not the south Side. It is

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the same thing as Mayfair's origin. You know, we were
a south Side landmark, and so we want to further
that excellent arts community on the South side of Chicago,
and of course to honor our alumnimus Missus Michelle Obama.
So it looks to be just a great event. And

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this event is honoring myself as well as the legacy
of Mayfair Academy and the future of Mayfair Academy. So
we are just very excited. This is going to take
place on August the first, And just as a side note,
August the first is my mother's birthday, and of course

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my mother is one of the founders of Mayfair Academy,
so that date is very specific to us. So we're
just ready to go and want everybody to come in
and enjoy it with us.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Now, what is the best way for people to find
out not only more about the honors program, but also
to purchase tickets.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Jasim, would you like to answer that? Sure?

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Yeah, So we have a lot of information on our
events page. It's called events done Big dot com slash
Mayfair Honors, and it has information about the event, our tribute, ceremony, reception,
and people who have tickets to our event will also
have an exclusive museum experience at the Obama Presidential Center

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and tickets can be purchased on the site as well
as donations, as we are fundraising for scholarships for future dancers.

Speaker 6 (26:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Now, talk about some of the honorees. We know that
Beggy is going to be one of them, but talk
about the other honorees aside from Michelle Obama, and she
hasn't made a plain yet whether or not she'll be there,
but she's definitely going to be honored.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yes, she will be honored and is obviously invited and welcomed.
And we're excited to honor Mss Peggy Sutton because we
didn't have the opportunity to do that before COVID, so
this is a time for that. And then we have
nine other honorees that are currently working in dance and entertainment.

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So we've got some younger members of that honorey cohort
that are producers and dance teachers. And then we have
some established dancers and dance educators who are following in
the tradition of Mayfair by giving service to their community

(27:30):
and making businesses through the arts like Black Girls Dance
and leading creative vision at deeply rooted. So all of
our honorees are touching arts and entertainment in some way.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, you have people like Aaron Barnett, Jessica Bolden, Emis,
Jordan Bush, Johann Cooper, Kelly Davis Lowde, Danita Patterson, Farah Drio.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Trunks d'arro talks.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yep Farad Aro Tux and Angela Williams.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
And so.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
In terms of this experience, what do you hope it
will provide revenue for in terms of future visions for Mayfair?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I think for like Jason said, scholarships, definitely. But also
what we're trying to do is the Mayfair Legacy Project.
And this project involves archiving almost sixty five years of
content of Mayfair's history. So that includes performances which are

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like on the Jess tapes, DVDs, pictures, programs, newspaper clippings,
trying to digitize everything so that it's available for future
generations to see what Mayfair was all about, and just
to let people know what existed from nineteen fifty seven
until the present time.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, And in doing this, Jo Sean, what do you
hope is the message that people receive not only from
listening to this, but also as they want to explore
this tremendous legacy.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Thank you for asking that.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I hope that.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
With the event and as we're celebrating Mayfair's legacy, that
people understand that they can follow their dreams even in
the midst of adversity. Like Tommy Sutton starting Mayfair, you know,
on the tales of segregation. That our stories, our dance,

(29:52):
our businesses are important. So take that step, keep taking
those steps, learn those steps. And I think specifically with
the event, you know, we should feel pride in celebrating
ourselves right here in our neighborhoods for the art and
creativity that we add not just to the South Side

(30:15):
but to Chicago and the world.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
What is the most rewarding aspect of dance and dance
instruction for you, Peggy.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Oh, that's a big, big question. Just the ability to
express yourself through music, through movement. It's just a wonderful
expression and freedom that is allowed the dancer.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, it's an endorphin releaser.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yes it is. Yes, And at this age, I won't
say exactly what my age is, but at this age,
I am still taking tab glasses in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
There's nothing wrong with that. Keep moving, keep moving, and
make sure that everybody moves over to the Obama Center
on August first, twenty twenty six to participate in the
Mayfair Academy's Mayfair Honors Program. You can find the information online.
I want to thank Piggy Sutton as well as Jashan

(31:23):
Buckner for joining us.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
This morning, Thank you, Thank you well.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
That wraps up this edition of Chicago Inside and closing.
Please take advantage of the useful information presented today. I'm
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Speaker 2 (33:18):
At my computer career, prepare for a high demand career
in cybersecurity, protecting people, systems, and institutions from real cyber threats,
cyber war