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What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff three and Out podcast.
How are we doing? Hopefully everyone's doing well. We had
a little doubleheader tonight the Baltimore Ravens. The score looks
a lot closer than the game actually was. Dominate the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Derreck Henry, I mean, looks like an

(02:00):
MVP candidate right there with his quarterback who has just
found the fountain of youth. He looks incredible. I mean,
he looks as fresh as he's ever looked. Tampa had
one of the worst nights you'll ever see for a
good team. A couple injuries that are going to be very,
very very hard to overcome, and now their schedule the
next three weeks gets really difficult. So pressure on Todd

(02:24):
Bowles and Baker Mayfield to kind of man the ship
here because it could spiral fast. And then we had
a Jim Harbaugh meltdown over some penalties. One you know,
I think the refs got it right, and the other
one at the end of the game was really really bad,
and the Chargers lose to the Cardinals, who get a
big win. Now we're in second place in the NFC West.

(02:45):
Kyler makes a couple awesome plays James Connor. We'll dive
into those games little my Penthouse and out house. So
far through week seven we will hit on as well
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other than that, we'll just we'll just keep rocking and
rolling because we're in the middle of football season. Doesn't
get any better than this. Honestly, sometimes I'm like, it's
already almost November. Football seasons, can we slow down getting

(03:30):
a little too close to the end of it. I
want to enjoy this We do got a Dodger Yankee
World Series coming up though, so we got some big
football games. Let's let's let's try to enjoy it because
it's kind of flying by fast before we dive in.
If you want to go to any game, World Series
is right around the corner. Just texting with my buddy,

(03:51):
turns out uh new buddy Jeff, who's listener of the
podcast Good Friends with Aaron Boone. Heay's going to New
York to watch the Yankees. If you want to go
to the World Series, if you can. If you're a
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I was on the phone today with one of our
sales reps and he lives in Franklin, Tennessee. Said he

(04:12):
went to Knoxville, said it was the coolest atmosphere he's
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it was quite Knoxville or LSU. So if you want
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(04:58):
Don't love these Monday night games, but we're gonna start
positive because football is better than no football, even though
one game would have been fined. Let's start with the
Ravens Tampa Bay game, and I want to start with Baltimore,
who obviously was the number one seed, and people like
me not only thought they were gonna beat the Chiefs,
but expected them to win the Super Bowl because of

(05:21):
what they did to the forty nine ers on that
Christmas Day, Christmas Eve, whatever night. They destroyed him right
at Levi Stadium. This defense is not as good, but
this offense is looking incredible. The offensive line, which was
a question mark early in the season, looks a lot
more formidable, but offensively they have the MVP of the league.

(05:45):
Lamar is one of the best quarterbacks, definitely one of
the most dynamic players in NFL history. And they showed
a stats to night in the history of Monday night football.
I mean, he's got to be one of the greatest
Monday night football players in the history of the league.
And he is playing at a really, really high level.
And part of that is because his friend Mark Andrews

(06:06):
is back from a major injury from last year. Looks fantastic,
looks like he's coming into his own. He keeps getting healthy.
He is a high end player. We know likely's really good.
Jay Flowers is a stud bateman was making plays tonight.
But to me, the difference in this team like watching Harball.
He's basically running the Ravens backfield. Over the last three

(06:29):
or four years. Derrick Henry is one of the best
running backs in the history of the NFL, in the
history of the sport. Honestly, he's one of the most
unique body types in the history of the league. I
went to a Titans practice years ago. My buddy Ryan
was getting married and we had his bachelor party in Nashville,

(06:50):
and it was like, you know, Friday Saturday Sunday, and
I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna make a week
of it. I went on like Monday afternoon. I was like,
I'll take my golf clubs and I'll go to a
Titan's practice. Knew John Robinson actually interviewed him for this
podcast in his office. This was before the volume was created.
And I went to a practice. Matt Lafleur was actually

(07:10):
the offensive coordinator that year, had just been hired. It
was OTA's and I remember being at practice standing and
I took a picture. This must have been twenty eighteen,
and it was Dion Lewis standing next to Derrick Henry
and I just remember looking at this human being, going
how could you possibly think about tackling this guy? And
as the game's going tonight and you go, obviously there

(07:33):
are other offensive pieces, and like I said, lamar Or,
they've been great for a long time, specifically the quarterback,
but they've never had anything quite like this. So, yeah,
their defense isn't as good, it's not as dominant as
last year. Clearly from a pass defense standpoint, a lot
of question marks, but they can slow down the game.

(07:54):
In theory, the problem is Dereck Henry keeps busting off
touchdown runs. He looks as fresh as he's ever looked
in his career. And he was already a Hall of
Famer before this season. I added it up today. Between
high school, college and the NFL, he had over forty

(08:16):
one hundred career carries coming into this game. As someone
pointed out on social media, he was in the same
draft class as Ezekiel Elliott. And he looks like twenty
four years old, just about to get his first contract.
How can he look this good? And the thing with

(08:38):
running backs is the last attribute you actually need, like
it's not a prerequisite to be a great player, is
high end breakaway speed. A lot of great running backs
have not been home run hitters. It's actually a pretty
rare trait. I would say the best guy of my life,

(09:00):
you know, my adult life the last twenty plus years
in terms of open field high end speed was Adrian Peterson.
If he got in the open field, no one could
catch him. That's Derrick Henry, Like he gets a crease,
he's gone. And you would have thought, because like most
running backs with that many carries that much mileage, they

(09:22):
just wouldn't be as good. And to me, someone has
just been watching football for a long time. He looks
as good as ever and you add that piece, and
we've talked about it before, it's easily one of the
best signings, especially when you factor in how much he
costs of this NFL season. Honestly, there might not really
be a close second. And he's now playing on what

(09:45):
feels like the best offense right there with Detroit in
the NFL. Detroit just lost their home run hinter Jameson Williams,
suspend him for a couple of weeks. But if they
get this Derrick Henry in the playoffs. And this is
someone who said I don't feel comfortable betting on this
team against the Chiefs ever again, and then you watch

(10:05):
them the last couple weeks, you're like, eh, I kind
of change my tune. You're like, now it's gonna be
harder for them to get home field advantage because the
Chiefs already have a couple game lead because they have
not lost obviously, And the craziest game so far of
the NFL season looking back is the Raiders upsetting the
Ravens down ten points in Baltimore. That's just one of

(10:27):
those we're gonna look back is like, how did that happen?
Raiders actually did it last year? Remember on Christmas to
the Chiefs. But I think he adds an element that
they haven't quite had. They've had a good run game,
but they have a guy that unlike last year, it's like,
let's get away from the run games. Like, guys, you're
down a touchdown, Let's take a deep breath. The Chiefs

(10:49):
don't have forty points on the field or on the scoreboard,
just relax, play your game. I actually think it's going
to be easier for them in theory. Again, they have
to do it to just hand that guy the ball
because you're watching him in these games, they feel much
more inclined. All else fails handed to twenty two, handed

(11:09):
to twenty two, and then Lamar throughout the game can
just do his magical stuff, which is just it's insane
how good the guy is. People think I'm like a
Lamar Jackson hater. I mean, he's remarkable, he really is.
But I think Derick Henry has a chance to take
this team to the next level because, let's face it,

(11:30):
you know their defense is more than good enough. You
don't have to have the number one defense in the league.
To win the Super Bowl. But as we know, you
have to have a good defense. They have a good defense,
and they have a defensive culture. They'll be fine. They'll
have to shore up a little bit of the pass game.
But again, if they're playing the Chiefs, the Chiefs aren't
exactly thrown up thirty five points, so they have to

(11:51):
win a game in the teams. It's easier to do
that with Derek Henry and I've really just been blown
away the Ravens, who at zero to two have come
storming back and look fantastic. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I
mean that game started, You're just like God, Baker's playing
out of his mind, like, are are they gonna roll

(12:13):
the Ravens. They're up ten to nothing, It honestly easily
could have been fourteen nothing. Then it looked like Baker
hit Mike Evans for a touchdown that I think would
have put him up what twenty one to seven, and
Mike Evans got hurt, and then the game spiraled and
Baker threw a red zone pick. He threw another bad pick,
and then the floodgates opened and the Ravens ran away

(12:33):
with the game. But obviously they lost Mike Evans, which
I think it's fair to say is going to miss
some time. And then at the end of the game,
which I'm not gonna be critical of having Godwin and
Baker in that spot, even though the Ravens had already
pulled Lamar and Henry you know, in their starting skill

(12:54):
guys by that point. But his ankle went the opposite
way and he got carted off in an air cast,
and they didn't show the replay. Clearly it was awful,
and you knew right away when Baker was on kind
of like you know, two legs, kneeling down and looking
the other way and slamming his helmet that it was

(13:14):
really really awful. And this is I've known. I worked
with Todd Bowles in Philadelphia. He's a super super high
level guy. He's actually a very intense, calm guy. He's
one of those rare defensive guys. He's not like a
huge yeller and a screamer. There's a lot of pressure
on him right now, because that's you lose games. You

(13:36):
play the Ravens, you play the Chiefs, you played a lot,
You've played great teams, even at home Monday football. Sometimes
some weird happens. You lose, no big deal, even getting
your ass kick just like, Okay, we took it on
the chin, Take a deep breath. That's not just a loss.
That's losing Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, which was one
of the reasons that Baker Mayfield, I mean, one of
the main reasons led the league in touchdown passes and

(13:58):
had one of the most dynamic offen in the league.
So I think it's fair to assume that Chris Godwin
is gone for the season and Mike Evans, who they
mentioned and I has not missed many games in his career, like,
is going to miss some time. I don't really know
how you overcome that. Their defense isn't as good as

(14:18):
it has been in years past. They've been very dependent
on the offense, and now I remove your best two
offensive weapons on the outside by a mile, I mean
an elite Hall of Fame outside wide receiver in just
this dynamic verstual piece in god I mean, those guys
are championship winning players and their next three games are

(14:40):
on a short week playing Atlanta, who I don't think
is that good. But you remove Evans and Godwin, like
that's tough, then you have to go to Kansas City,
and then you know, who knows who's going to be
playing for the forty nine ers by then, But it's
still not going to be an easy matchup the forty
nine ers. So this was when I before the game started,
even if you lost, you went listen, if you can

(15:03):
just somehow go two and two in this spot, help
beat the Falcons and go one and three, you're in
good shape. Now it feels like they're not a lock
to win any of these games without those two players.
That is one of those losses that is just emotionally gutting.
You know. We saw it with the Lions last week.
Losing Hutchinson was really really tough, and I think you

(15:24):
saw early in that game in Minnesota they not that
they were shell shocked, but it was like it was
it felt like it was still hovering over them. Then
they got it together, they got their bearings. You can't
lose two of those guys, you know. I don't know
if you could shake that. I was a big believer
in the Bucks. After the first you know, four or
five games of this season, I thought like, this team's

(15:46):
going to the playoffs. Now I go, there's just Todd
Bowle is gonna have to be a magician here, somehow
rallied the troops, somehow get his defense to play better.
You know, they're gonna have to rely on Baker to
be perfect. Cannot be turning the ball over. He's thrown
a lot of touchdowns, but the last couple of games
throws some picks. Though two weeks ago some of those were,
you know, just kind of freaky picks. Balls tipped. Tonight,

(16:08):
the two were pretty bad. That's hard. That's really really
difficult because when fully healthy you went. Their offense is
a lot like Baltimore. Right. Obviously Lamar's better than Baker,
but two elite wide receivers, a really good tight end.
Bucky Irving looks fantastic. The offensive coordinator Liam Cohen, who

(16:29):
had been in with the Rams and McVeigh and coach
at Kentucky, was doing a really, really good job. It's like,
this team's gonna win ten games, and now it's one
of those when you show up to the office tomorrow,
you're just it's gonna be hard to hold your head
up high, not just because you lost, but because you
look around. It's like, is Mike Evan's gonna have to
go on injury reserve. We know Godwin is I mean,

(16:53):
if you had the list, obviously the quarterbacks number one,
if you were doing the top five guys that you
would cannot afford to lose, you know, Mike probably be one,
and Godwin would definitely be in the top three or four.
So huge game for Baltimore dominated Henry MVP form, same

(17:14):
with Lamar and the bucks Man. What a what a
shitty night to be a Tampa fan. You know, you
try to sometimes you already get a take ready. You're like,
I can't wait to fire this one out, and it
was gonna be you know, last year, it's kind of crazy.
The Chargers went five and twelve. They went five and twelve.
Now they drafted five, so clearly they had a really

(17:35):
bad record. But when you say it out loud, you're like,
I knew they were bad, but five wins and you
realized they didn't really win any games at the end
once they shit can Brandon stay? But they were really
really bad, and I think they're gonna I mean, like
Hardbaugh's gonna win this game. He's already gonna have four wins,
and then a penalty happens and let's face it, they're

(17:56):
down two points at the one yard line with like
ten minutes to go, and they have an eight minute
drive that ultimately led to a third I think it
was third and six, third and five. Maybe that justin
Herbert took a shot hard boss freaking out thinking should
be past interference. I don't love shot plays or even

(18:18):
options on that. Like, run some quick outs, run some
quick crossing routes, get the ball to Maconkey on a rollout.
Just let's just get a first down, keep the drive
moving the margin. Fererra on that play, even if the
wide receiver you know, doesn't get hit off his route
or held or whatever, I had no problem with him
not calling the penalty on that. I don't like that

(18:41):
decision by Herbert, that play call, even as an option,
run something that's gonna give me a chance at a
first down and kind of end the game. But they didn't.
And then they gave it back to Kyler Murray, who
the first two plays of the drive, you're like, didn't
even sniff a completion, and then a flag came out
about five minutes late. And we went on this rant

(19:01):
last week on Monday Night Football, when the referees were
It's one of the worst officiated games you'll ever watch
in the NFL. Like we're all used to bad calls, right,
it's I always say it all the time. I understand
the human element. I just reserve the right to get
worked up if it's a team I like or I
got money on the game. It's part of the fun

(19:22):
of this. But there comes a point where you jump
the shark of this is beyond egregious. What are we
doing here? And I say it all the time with
college when they get aggressive with throwing kids out. Nobody's
trying to hurt anybody. Nobody is, but it still is
football and people are going to get tackled and hit hard.

(19:44):
It's part of the sport. This is a very violent game.
It's honestly what built up to become such a popular sport.
And then because of the concussion is because of the lawsuits.
I get we've had to pivot and change, and I'm
all for trying to make sure the best quarterbacks stay healthy.
But on some of these plays down the field, defensive

(20:05):
backs and linebackers are allowed to hit people, they really
are and some of these times, just because it looks bad,
doesn't mean it actually was. And he not only didn't
connect with his helmet, he barely touched the guy. But
Jim Harbad freaked out so much on the previous drive

(20:28):
that he was almost he just kind of gave up,
put his hands in the air, and it ultimately cost
him the game. And the one thing is, if you
are gonna screw up and listen, I don't feel necessarily
bad for the Chargers, right they how many points they score? Fifteen?
So anytime that you're in a game and what was

(20:48):
the final score, yeah, fifteen to seventeen to fifteen. So
if you're scoring in the mid teens, you allow for
the option for weird shit to happen if a big
play breaks, Like you didn't do enough to play winning football.
And the Chargers are like the poor poor man's version
of the Chiefs. They want to play with defense, they

(21:08):
want to slow down the game, and they want to
try to win like eighteen to ten, like that's where
they're twenty one to seventeen, Like that's what they're gonna
be comfortable doing. But when you do that and your
team is not as good as the Chiefs, your margin
frere is really small. And the one thing with the Cardinals,
which are one of the more all over the team
plays teams in the NFL. They have electric players. I

(21:31):
mean Kyler's run the night I mean look like the
short version of Lamar. He is one of the great
athletes in the sport. So if you screw up, take
a bad angle, he can take it fifty as he
did James Connor. Part of it is the team that
he plays for is not like some huge brand. Even

(21:52):
the night they played on ESPN Plus. So I can't
imagine there are some people listening to this that did
not watch the game. I didn't understand when everyone was
bitching and moaning about it online. The game's on ESPN Plus.
I'm like, it's just on regular TV for me, And
then I realized on the local markets they put it on,
you know, one of the main broadcast channels. It was

(22:13):
on Fox for me. But I understand anyone pushing back
ESPN Plus seems a little egregious to me. I mean,
now I get it, business partner. They're trying to grow that.
I'm an ESPN Plus guy because I watch a lot
of golf on that. Any of the UFC guys probably
have it as well. It serves a purpose in my life.
But I get not everyone's buying that thing. And if

(22:35):
you're not a Charger or a Cardinal fan and there's
another game on, you could easily go, yeah, I'm not,
I don't care that much. Totally understand, But that was
a game that came down to a call. Now, the
Cardinals still might have pulled some plays out of their
ass because they have Trey McBride stud Harrison. He's going

(22:56):
to be really damn good and like we said, at
any moment a lot like you know, kind of the
poor man's version of Lamar. Kyler can do things that
are out of this world. And there's not many better
freelance players in the NFL than Kyler. So as the
game gets tight, tight game, or you're down too you know,
fourth downs, like that's where he's one of the scarier players.

(23:17):
He is a very difficult player if he gets into
a little bit a rhythm and his team, if his
defense is playing okay, the just series in series out,
if the game's close, he's tough to defend. But you
just can't make that call. It just can't happen. And
I I was anyone that watched the Texas Georgia game.

(23:38):
I like Georgia in that game, but I had so
many parlays tied with the Nebraska covering the spread, which
obviously didn't do so it didn't cost me any money.
But I just found myself rooting for Georgia in that game.
I understand the call that they screwed up on the
past interference that led to a pick that they said

(24:00):
was past interference. They had spotted the ball as in
it was pass interference. They were gonna keep give George
the ball, and then the entire Texas crowd through beer bottles,
water bottles and other things on the field, and then
they just reversed the call, like and everyone was saying, well,
at least they got the call right. Well, that literally

(24:21):
never happens. I have never seen that happen. After Like
it's one thing that bang bang play. It's like, hey,
we got it wrong, changer right there, okay, but like
it had been a long time they all agreed call
spot the ball even if it's the wrong call, Like
this is one that like, come on, guys, can't everyone
kind of look around? Can we get this right? That play?

(24:42):
Can you guys see the review that just can't happen.
So I understand I'm probably recording this right as the
post game is going on that if I'm Hardball, I'm incensed.
And if I'm the Cardinals, I'm three and four and
I'm pretty sure that I'm in second place because i
beat the Niners up, so they'd be in third place,
and I'm right there, so crazy night. Derrick Henry just

(25:08):
shows why he's a Hall of Famer. Tampa has one
of the worst injury games you'll ever see, with high
end players at the same position going down in the
same game. The Chargers play their style of football, have
a lead with under two minutes and kind of gets
screwed by the referees, and then the Cardinals take advantage

(25:28):
of that because they do have really, really good offensive players.
They really do. And it's weird, like, would you feel
great if Kyler is your quarterback? No? Like, are you
confident that he's a true franchise guy? Like every year
he's gonna give me an opportunity to be a consistent player,
to be in the playoffs? You don't. But then at

(25:50):
the same time you watch individual games and you go,
he can do more things than some of those guys.
In that bucket. On an individual game basis, he's just
really a roller coaster. You don't really know what you're
gonna get weak to week, like part of the reason,
like Jared Goff's better now, but like same with Dak,
But like Dak Cousins, Goff kind of that crew of

(26:12):
guys for a long period of time. He was like,
you know, there's somewhere between nine to thirteen range you
can win with, but you kind of know what you're getting.
And they've all kind of improved over the course of
their career, especially I mean Jared Goff's playing at an
MVP level, Kirk Cousins actually playing pretty well too, beside
from last week, which wasn't all his fault as defense
was terrible. But they've just and Dak's had three really

(26:33):
really good seasons in a row. But like Kyler could
have games where.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
It's like those guys can't do that, they can't make
that throw, they can't throw it that far, they can't
run that fast, and then you watch other games you're like,
is this the worst team I've ever seen?

Speaker 1 (26:48):
What's going on? Just a very very There's just not
really a team like them in the NFL, and I
think a big reason for that is Kyler, who is
when they're playing well, is just an auto watch. An
auto watch, And if I was a video game player,
he would be very very fun to play with. Uh So, yeah,

(27:10):
fun little Monday night. And I think we skipped we
skipped this last week. Maybe I did it last week,
but a little penthouse outhouse. I last week I was
in Nashville, and you know, I'm a Marriott guy. I'm simple,
stay at just a lot of normal marriyouts every once
in a while if I'm feeling frisky, stayed at JW
and I'm not opposed to staying at a spring Hill Swee.
So your boy's been there. But we're getting married at

(27:34):
a little place called the Four Seasons. So I'm like,
you know what they'll give They're giving us a big
discount and stay there for a couple of days. First
time I'd ever stayed there. I'm like, I'm a normal
Four Seasons guy. And even with the discount, shit ain't cheap.
And at the Four Seasons in Nashville, they also have
like living quarters. So they have a hotel which is
really big, and then on top of one side of
the hotel, they have like condos in suits, and on

(27:59):
the top they originally built them like four years ago,
and they were gonna sell them all. You know, some
you could get for like a one bedroom or two bedrooms,
you know, a million bucks or a couple of million bucks.
And on the top was the Penhouse suite and it
originally listed for thirty six million dollars. I guess it
was enormous and obviously didn't sell. So what they did

(28:23):
is they split it in two and they ended up
selling them both off. They're still I think, I mean
thousands of square feet like enormous Penhouse suites. And one
of the guys that bought one of them, like the
person wouldn't really give me all the details, but one
of the persons they said, because they put it out
there publicly, is the dude that owns Raising Canes, Todd Graves.

(28:44):
I think his name is LSU guy, you know, hangs
out with a bunch of the LSU guys. And they
just put one in downtown Nashville that is crushing, and
that's why I think he wanted to purchase them. Obviously
Raised Canes do him pretty well. But I was thinking about, like,
and I've been saying this for while there is no
doubt about it in any building, the nicest penhouse suite.

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I don't care how ugly their games are. They just
figure it out. They just figured it out. And I
was texting with a buddy on the Chiefs because I
was like, did you guys go back to Kansas City.
He's like, no, we went to Vegas because they're playing
the Raiders this week. We're staying there. And we were
texting about Karlovskis and Trent McDuffie. And they drafted those

(29:25):
guys right the year that they traded Tyreek Hill. So
in the year they traded Tyreek Kill, they had two
first round picks and they took Trent McDuffie and Karlossis.
Obviously ninety five is their most talented and best defensive player,
but no one plays as hard. And I mean those
are their next two players, Karlovski's and McDuffie, in whatever
order you want. Those guys through three seasons, they have

(29:48):
two Super Bowl rings, your one and your two, and
in your three, they're yet to lose a game. Like
think about their experience in the NFL compared to other
people in their like, guys that were just drafted to
the Panthers, you know, guys that were just drafted to
like the Giants. These guys are like, yeah, just win rings.
You just never lose. What's the NFL experience like for you? Like,

(30:13):
what an incredible place to play football right now? As
the Kansasy Chiefs. Honestly, if the penhouse still existed up there,
thirty six million, that'd be theirs. I think the Ravens
are right there as well. I mean they're penouse. Sweet.
I feel more confident these last couple, like last three weeks,
watching Derrick Henry really get going. I'm like, wait, they
have a guy who just a couple of years ago

(30:35):
carried a franchise not only to the playoffs, but like
winning playoff games. And he looks exactly the same. Obviously
he's three or four years older, but he's playing the
exact same. And you put him on that team with
those offensive weapons, with that quarterback and their defensive culture.

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I don't know, I'm starting to like him as much
as I did last year because of that guy. That's
just an element like the JK. Dobbins, the Gus Edwards,
all the type guys they've had good players and in
their scheme it's worked, but in the playoffs it's slowed
down a little bit. I've seen that guy in the
playoffs run for two bills, carry his team do playoff

(31:18):
victories on the road and to the AFC Championship game.
So I think the Ravens are right there with Kansas City.
Detroit's interesting, right, they got to have a penthouse sweet too,
But you lose Hutchinson and then today you get Jamison
Williams suspended. Now it's hard to watch them and go.

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They're gritty, they're tough, their coach has proven to be really,
really good. Their quarterback is playing at an insanely high level. Offensively,
when Williams is on the field, they literally have it all,
even removing him for a couple games. Not the end
of the world, but like you're starting to see a
little like they're getting thrown a little adversity here. I

(31:58):
don't know. I just saw schefferd we I don't exactly
know what's two games, Like, is that some drugs or
is that what he's doing PDEs He weighs like one
hundred and seventy five pounds. But I think those are
clearly the three best teams in the league, and then
I think you'd have to go down a couple floors
and there's just a large group of everyone else. Of
all the other good teams, I would put the Packers,

(32:20):
I would put Minnesota. I think Minnesota actually showed pretty
well even in the loss. Like I told Colin the
other day, I think the Packers are good, and I
think if they can just corall Jordan a little bit
because his freelance throwing balls all over the map. Now
he's thrown enough touchdowns to make up for it. But
that can cost you, as it did last year in

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the playoffs. But I'm still a believer, and there are
a couple more weeks of playing good football. Way for
me putting them in that group. I think the Bills,
just when the dust settles, are gonna have twelve or
thirteen wins, and they're at the point now where they're
going to cruise to their division. Right Miami stinks. I
mean they have one win and now two is coming

(33:02):
Back's just keep our fingers crossed he doesn't get KO'ed.
The Patriots are worse or equally as bad, and they're
actually worse if Tua plays, assuming the Tua can stay
on the field, and the Jets are two and five,
so I mean we're a couple of weeks away from
the Bills having like a five game lead in that division.

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And Pittsburgh's interesting, Like I saw a lot of people
commenting on stuff like Middleguff Russell Wilson, like, yeah, he
threw some lollipop passes. He's maybe better than justin fields
as a passer, bars not very high. But did we
take away from that game that he's like a good
player because I didn't necessarily. I also didn't take away

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like I'm judging these teams on like how can you
play in the playoffs? Like could Kevin O'Connell and Brian
Flores if Sam Darnold plays like he did the other
day win playoff games against the other good teams? I
believe they can't. Can the Packers and the Lions I'll
beat each other one? Could the Ravens beat these other teams?
I do think they could do that. We know the

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Chiefs scant. I do believe the Bills, if healthy, which
has been a problem for them, can win these playoff games.
We've seen it happen, Like is Russell Wilson beating these teams.
Tomlin's awesome. He deserves a lot of credit for that move,
and when asked about it all after the Sunday night
football game, he said, that's why I'm so highly compensated.

(34:29):
Thanks peace, and he walked out great line. But like,
they just include Pickens more in the game because he's
just throwing it up. And if their running backs are
healthy and their offensive line is healthy, they're gonna run
the ball and play defense. But I don't view Russell
Wilson's like the equals all these other Cats Mahomes. I
don't care how shitty Mahome stats are Lamar and Josh Allen,

(34:49):
Like there's a pretty wide gap there. And obviously the
Texans have a bunch of injuries, but they get Nico back.
Like I would take my chances with CJ. Stroud in
a game, Like who are you picking c J. Stroud
of Russell Wilson and all these teams are? You know,
the Texas would be a home field because they're gonna
win the division, Like Steelers aren't winning that division. Steelers,

(35:12):
like we have the same record. Yeah, I know, we'll
see how it plays out. And I'm not a Steeler
hater like I have nothing but admiration for their culture
and everything. But it does get back to upgrade over
the last couple of years, right, the Kenny Picketts, the
Mason Rudolphs. I'm not miss Trubisky, but it's not like
you feel great about Russell Wilson playing these other like

(35:35):
this crew of all time great quarterbacks, like these guys
are good. Mahomes obviously is already a Hall of Famer.
Lamar is a Hall of Famer. Josh Allen is going
to be a Hall of Famer. Now Russell I think
I have no problem if he gets in, but that's
because of work he did five years and previous, not
the guy that we've seen recently. And uh, the outhouse

(35:56):
is pretty ugly. I would compare the outhouse when whenever
I go back to California and I land in Sacramento.
I used to land in Oakland when I lived there,
and you'd go through a bunch of homeless encampments and
these aren't just like a tent. This is like a
tent for blocks, just blocks. It's like, God, some of

(36:18):
these actually don't look that bad. I mean they've done
a lot of work. I mean they spend a lot
of time building these things up. That to me is
some of the bottom level of the NFL. We always
have bad teams in the NFL, and someone hit me
up on the mail bag, like, are some of these
teams some of the play and coaching worse than normal?
I'm like, yeah, possibly possibly. Dave Canalis and the Carolina Panthers,

(36:43):
girod Mao and the New England Patriots. The Las Vegas
Raiders aren't leaking oil like they've broken down on the
side of the road. Miami is a little weird because
I don't think they're very good if Tua had stayed healthy,
but they would not be a two win team. I

(37:04):
thought they were more likely to be like that six
or seven, like under it, you know, disappoint just because
I didn't think their defense was good, their offensive line
was bad, probably lose some close games, be a big
swing from like ten to you know, seven, but still
throughout the course of the season they would be more
than serviceable on a weekly basis. So it's hard. If

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Tua is coming back and he can play in games,
they are going to be on a different level than
these other teams. Like if Tua was healthy and he
just played against Indy. Indy loses that game, they don't win.
Every Colts fan would agree with me. The way Anthony
Richardson was playing the other team, that is really really
difficult to watch, and it's just like, you know, I

(37:49):
appreciate this guy changing his health. He looks fantastic relative
to what he looked like last couple years. Brian day Ball,
I actually think for the most part removing the game
on against the Eagles where his offense didn't have a
chance because they couldn't block a soul because their offensive
linemen were hurt, He's done a pretty good job calling plays.
I've actually been impressed with Brian Daball. Their defense for

(38:09):
a couple of weeks was playing their ass off. But
that team's about the spiral, it really is. You lose
your left tackle, you know, you can bench Daniel Jones,
who's been atrocious. What was the stat yesterday that Saquon
Barkley has more touchdowns that met like this season than
Daniel Jones. I think I saw a quote today from
Brian day Ball that Malik Neighbors was open all game long.

(38:32):
Maybe Neighbors might have said made a comment or something
after the game and he's like let's I don't mind
him being mad. He was opened and their quarterback play
is really atrocious. And when your team is that bad
on offense, I mean that putrid, even if your defense
is playing their balls off. And I think Brian Burns
has played really, really hard. We know Dexter Lawrence is
really like their defense has tried you. Eventually, just you

(38:54):
get worn out. You kind of give up, not necessarily
like with effort, but just because like, what's this all?
What's the point of this? We've all done a job,
whether it be a company, whether it be when we're young,
for like our dad forces us to do something. You're like,
this is pointless. Why am I doing this? You get screamed,
keep doing it. It's like okay, but you're making no progress.

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And that's what happens to bad teams when they have
a unit that is just not capable of functioning. And
to me, that's the Giants offense. And they have a
quarterback problem. Now they have a left tackle problem. They're
not gonna be able to run the ball. They're gonna
be really really bad. Now the difference, I would say
the Giants, you would obviously take day Ball over Canalis

(39:41):
over Mayo over. You know, the Titans are pretty bad too,
but same type deal. Quarterback is just a joke. I
mean a little like the Giants. Their defense for a
large portion of games this year has played really well
in their when your quarterback position cannot function, like we're

(40:03):
not asking for Lamar Jackson is prime or in college
like Shador Sanders. Right now, we just need functional quarterback
play just to give us a chance, right and some
of these teams at the bottom rung just don't have
guys that just can't play, just can't play now. Mason Rudolph,
you know, you know, is an upgrade over Will Levis,

(40:24):
who's injured right now. But the bottom of this league
where we are going to have a battle, and I
mean a battle for the services of Shadoor Sanders. Okay,
it's time for a little mail bag at John middlecoff

(40:47):
is the Instagram fire in those dms, get your questions
answered on the show. Right before I was gonna record
rap sheet, I saw on Instagram that Brandon i U
has torn his ACL his MCL and there is potentially
more damage. I really don't think there's any way to

(41:13):
sugarcoat this. It's a disaster. They just gave Brandon Ayuk
I think seventy five million dollars. Obviously they invested him
to be their number one wide receiver of the future
and to have a very very bad knee injury. It's
one thing when you just tear your ACL, but ACL
MCL and more damage. Devastating for him, devastating for the

(41:35):
forty nine ers, just devastating. This season has been, let's
face it, kind of a disaster. There have been games
they should have won but they lost. And at the
end of the day, there's a bottom line business. You
win or you lose. It feels like right now the
forty nine ers. I remember when in like twenty sixteen,
I finally bought a piece of property, bought a condo,

(41:58):
and two months later I lost my job and I
thought to myself, I'm in a lot of trouble here.
I could barely qualify for the loan at the time,
and I remember putting on a bold face whenever I
was like around my parents or anyone I knew, But
those first six months, I was pretty nervous. I'm not
gonna am I gonna be one of those statistics that's

(42:19):
like got his He had to give the condo back
to the bank. Didn't even make it a year. But
you know, I'm a grinder, not worried, not not afraid to, uh,
you know, dig myself out of the mud. I bet
a lot of people have been there in life. It
doesn't have to be a house or a condo. It
could be a business. It could be a car. You
buy something, you invest in something, and then it immediately

(42:40):
goes wrong. And for a lot of us, if you
put you know, a large portion of the cash available
that you have into that thing and things get bad
in your professional life, it is scary and it cannot
be good. I mean it can be really really bad, right,
You can go under, you can lose those things. So

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it can ruin people's lives. And these injuries and these
contracts are ruining the forty nine ers because these guys
are injured. Brandon Ayuk is now gone, Christian McCaffrey is
who the hell knows when this guy's coming back. Drake
greenlot towards Achilles in the Super Bowl, Whu Funga is

(43:21):
a really good player, is just injured now towards acl
and now he's got multiple other injuries. I mean, hell,
their rookie wide receiver was literally shot, and I think
Kyle Shanahan or John Lynch said. The doctor looked at
him and said ninety eight out of one hundred people,
which is like common sense. If you just go, yeah,
this guy got shot in the chest, he'd be like dead.

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It's the first thing you would think of. He said,
ninety eight out one hundred. Should I go ninety nine
out of one hundred? That's what the doctor says. When
we get chess wounds, it's usually death. And you know,
it's just it's crazy. Feels like the season from Hell
right now that there's really no I don't want to
say the IUK injury was icing on the cake, but

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it is the avalanche growing steam, and a lot of
people have been there financially. When you make some when
you make some moves and then all of a sudden,
I don't have that job anymore, or the company that
I started is about to go under. We're in trouble.
That's how the forty nine ers have to feel right now.

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Not that their business is gonna go under or the
forty nine ers are gonna go belly up, but this
season might not be their time. It was hard to
watch that game yesterday against Kansas City, who just owns
the Niners. I mean, you talk about ownage. My guy,
Mike Kruco, the Giants San Francisco Giants play by play

(44:47):
announcer has a term when a pitcher he's a former
pitcher cal Polygrad, dominates a hitter. He calls it ownage.
And that is what Andy Reid, Patrick Mahone and Steve
Spagnolas specifically have over the forty nine ers own Nige
and yesterday was carnage. It really was. And I get

(45:10):
a lot. I'm sure we'll read something like why is
everyone slurping Mahomes? Look at Mahomes is so overrated. I
don't know. I've been watching football for thirty plus years,
and yeah, his stats aren't great. He's not gonna win
the MVP this year. But every time against the forty
nine Ers when he had to make a play, he
made a spectacular play. So you can box score scout

(45:32):
all you want. I know, when the chips are on
the table and he's got to make something happen in
a random game against the forty nine Ers or the
AFC Championship game on the road against the Baltimore Ravens,
the greatest defense since like the lob Seattle Seahawks. That
fucker's gonna do it, so like we can nitpick him.
And yeah, stats aren't great. He's throwing some picks, I

(45:53):
know on third and seven when it's fifteen to twelve
and I need to, you know, separate and score a
touchdown not a field goal, to give my team, you know,
some separation in the game. He's gonna do it because
he always does it. And he did it again, you know,
on Sunday against the forty nine ers as they were
completely imploding. And I do think, and I said this
to Colin, Kyle needs to take some notes from Andy Reid,

(46:16):
who has just adapted throughout his career. You know, you
got to be a chameleon. You can't just be a
one trick pony. And his offense when it's humming is
awesome because he's running the ball. In his entire pass
game is off the run. But when Jay Gruden came on,
for those of you that listened to it, what did
he say. And it's not like Jay Gruden has a

(46:38):
bone to pick. He thinks Kyle's run schemes elite. Hell,
he ran it, but the dropback passing game is so
connected that if it's not working, it doesn't really work.
And obviously perty played poorly. I mean, that was a
pretty embarrassing performance. Given the opponent, and given you know

(47:00):
how big the game was, you could have those stinkers.
It'd be nicer to have it against a crappy team
where you could still pull it out. You have a
stinker against Kansas City. I don't care. If Patrick mahomes
for has eight picks, you're probably not winning the game.
And I also put the there was a moment in
the game where there was his through three interceptions. The
second interception was to a guy named Ronnie Bell, who

(47:23):
was in the game because Juwan Jennings injured. IUK obviously
had ripped his knee apart and debo, you know. But
the second pick came on a bad route, clearly by
the wide receiver. And like I put that interception squarely
on Kyle Shanahan because earlier this game, the forty nine

(47:43):
ers lost the game when they played Ronnie Bell, and
he had two of the worst drops you will ever
see in the NFL. This isn't high school football, this
isn't college football. This is the pros and when you're
like the fifth wide receiver. And I would say this
for any team, good or bad, and you get the
opportunity to play on offense or defense, and you've been

(48:03):
on the team for a while, like rookies, I give
you a little more. I give you more grace when
you've been in league for a couple of years, two
or three, you know the offense, and then you are
giving your shot and it goes really, really poorly. I
have to think about cutting you and putting you on
the practice squad. You now are a liability to me
on game day, and most good teams will tell you

(48:25):
got to be constantly churning the bottom of your roster
right the core of your team. Fortyish guys aren't really
moving and shaking unless there's an injury. They're on the roster.
They're kind of the equivalent on scholarship. But to me,
those last couple guys on each position group, you know,
maybe your last dB, your last wide receiver, your last
running back. If they do get the opportunities in games

(48:48):
and they have been on the practice squad, they have
been on the big roster for a couple of years,
and they finally get thrown into the fire and they
have no shot to contribute. You got to remove them.
This is a business and you've got to churn that
spot and the forty nine ers. And Kyle Shanahan ultimately
has in his contract he's the boss. Like ultimately, John

(49:10):
Lynch does not have decision making power. If he wants
to cut or trade a player, he has to get
the oka from Kyle. And wide receiver is Kyle's baby.
He's a former college wide receiver. And they put Ronnie
Bell back out there, and clearly by all accounts from
the football guys. I'm a football guy, but I'm talking
like quarterbacks and you know people that truly know the

(49:33):
where you got to break off the out route on
that specific play, it's on the wide receiver. Okay, fine,
that wide receiver never should have been out there. Because
you can steal a million guys on practice squad, you
can elevate someone from your own practice squad that is
on management. Obviously, perty played like shit, that's on party,
But that specific play I have to put on Kyle

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Shanahan because that player should not be on the field.
You're playing a dynasty. You were playing, by far, the
greatest coach in the NFL. You could argue, by far
the best defensive coordinator in the NFL. The team that
constantly beats your ass, a team that's you've played twice

(50:16):
in the Super Bowl. Hell, just based on statistics, the
type games. They were tight games and fourth quarter leads.
You flip a coin, you should have a minimum, have one,
and they got him both. And you're rolling that guy
out And I understand he got injuries. He can't be dressed.
He cannot be dressed in that situation. I'm looking at
the Chiefs, the guys they dress, who obviously aren't as

(50:39):
good as their starters. They still can rely on them,
definitely on defense, but specifically on offense. It's hard for
me to call it a full embarrassment. He's had some
embarrassing moments. I think that the team's let in. Kyle's
the boss, you know, Kyle's like Andy Belichick. Everything's running
through him. Arizona and the Rams loss were embarrassing. Yesterday

(51:03):
was more just like organizational failure. And I don't know,
Super Bowl hangover karma or whatever they call it. With
the injuries, with the mysterious sickness, Uh, it was crazy.
I mean, but you still can win Eagles. You know,
it's funny, and they kicked the Giants ass that that
was that was just a dominant win. But I did

(51:25):
see some comments from some of their players and Sirianni
more of the players than Sirianni, I thought. Sirianni answered, fine,
you know, taking kind of whearing last week. But some
of the players taking a victory lap over some like
former Eagles players that are on post game shows. It's like, guys,
let's I think we need to pump the brakes a

(51:47):
little bit, you guys, because one thing I saw Brandon
Graham or I forget the exact player, said that did
we not beat him by enough this time? Guys? I
I don't think people being disappointed from you guys coming
off of by struggling against the Browns. Is that egregious? Now?

(52:08):
They clearly looked a lot better against the Giants. I mean,
they destroyed them. The Giants got serious issues. Belichick, I
mean just Belichick said something to down McAfee that I
saw a cliff that Pat post on social media. You know,
Dable's one of his guys, coach for the Pats, kind

(52:29):
of dropped one of those. Yeah, you know what. Obviously,
the owner wanted to keep Saquan. I think Dave Ball
did too, but the GM wanted to go in different direction.
One hundred and seventy five yards at home, that's when
the owner wanted to keep. But he's like, hey, people say,
I'm metal, I'm not gonna meddle. I'm gonna let you
do your thing. And then he looks like that. It's tough.

(52:51):
Giants are bad. He see. Here's a question question for
the mailback. Do you believe the sports media is told
to Mahomes and the Chiefs because it's good for the
league in ratings to have a dynasty. I've watched football
for twenty plus years, and my eyes tell me he's
not the best quarterback in the league, and consistently the

(53:13):
media insists to us that he is. This year, he
has six touchdowns and eight interceptions and somehow the front
runner for MVP. Many examples are commetters and media praising him.
But the game against the Niners, they were going on
about how he just takes the sun in his eyes
on the bench, eye test, Alan and Burrow are better quarterbacks.

(53:35):
I mean I watched some of Joe Burrow yesterday. Didn't
look great. Listen he's not having an MVP seison. His
statistics are not good. But the point of this whole
thing is to win. It's the whole point. It's the
point of the draft, that's the point of free agency,
that's the point of training camp. So when you get

(53:56):
seventeen of these things, it's to play winning football. And
because the Chiefs playing so many of these close games,
because their personnel because of injuries, is not great on
offense and there are a defensive lad team, they just
need him to come through. Now he's turned the ball over.
I think he'd be the first tell you too many
times this year, but as someone with money on the

(54:18):
Niners and was rooting for the forty nine ers, there
wasn't a moment in that game in the second half
where I thought he wasn't gonna come through. I've been
watching sports now for thirty plus years. That includes a malt,
not just football. I have been watching football professionally now
for fifteen And here's the other thing. And you see

(54:38):
this a lot in the NBA, like he's kind of
at the point. We've seen him do it enough in
the biggest moments, and those games are worth ten regular
season games. So he has a shitty month, I don't care.
I've seen him as a dog on the road in Baltimore,
play the league MVP and outplay him thoroughly. That's like

(55:02):
you get equity built up when Tiger Woods has five
weeks in his prime of not playing. Great people don't
go overrated overrated because you earn right over time that
you get the benefit of out Steph Curry's had a
lot of shitty games in his career, sneaky for one

(55:24):
of the great players of all time, turns the ball
over a lot. You can watch him on a random night,
and I mean especially the Warriors over the last five
years post Durant, even the title team in twenty two,
and you know, for a long time I've watched I
had the last couple of years since I've been in Arizona,
not as much, but I went for probably seven you know,

(55:47):
a couple of years before Durant, a couple of years after.
I didn't miss many Warrior games. And he can have
these games where it's this ball is flying all over
the map. He can have weeks, he can have bad
shooting slumps. Once you earn the equity of like I'm
a fucking champion, turn the lights on, give me a
big game, and dare you to bet against me? I

(56:07):
dare you to do it? Like, I'm sorry, I don't
put that much stock. It's the thing with Josh Allen
and Lamar it's like there's a lot of pressure on
them to win games in January. They're just this. I mean,
they're just this. Like Jared Goff has been a dramatically
better playoff performer than Lamar Jackson. Now you could argue

(56:30):
Jared Goff might win an MVP this year. And if
the Lions were to win a Super Bowls thinking about
that today, it'd be like one of the great kind
of great would be strong one of the crazier careers ever,
be like Maddy Ice but with a Super Bowl but
also had to change teams because his coach dot he sucked.
I don't know. I part of the like, for example,

(56:53):
what you're saying with the sun in his eyes, I
think they're just there's nothing much to talk about, you know,
between plays sometimes and they look over there at that
side of Levi Stadium, the sun is directly into you.
And they gave the example of you know, the Chiefs
don't bring shades. They just have the backup stand in
front of them for the offensive Lineman and Mahomes just

(57:14):
sitting there. I thought they were kind of being silly
and kidding less than being serious. It's not like he's
Hooperman and taken in the sun. And again, when you
say media like, if you're in business with the NFL,
then yeah, I don't know what they tell you, but
I know there are a lot of independent people people
that have no association with the NFL. Like I'm in

(57:39):
business of talking about football, but I have no direct
business relationship to the NFL. I could say whatever I want.
I mean, I want the NFL to do well, right,
because the better that the more people that watch them,
the bigger my audience is. You know, in theory it's
not directly correlated. But I think some times that type

(58:00):
stuff gets overshadowed. I think actually a lot of media
people don't quite understand the dynamics of the business, right.
You know. Part of it is a lot of them
push back at the bigger networks because they're told what
to talk about, what rates, they don't really want to
talk about it. That's the unique part about our platform
is I can kind of talk about whatever I want now.

(58:21):
I got a pretty good idea of what works and
what doesn't. But yeah, I don't know why what I
met by going on that little rant. Hey, John, it's
my friends Jake's twenty second birthday. He's a huge fan.
He actually listens to it religiously and echoes most of
your takes. I was wondering if you would be willing

(58:43):
to give him a quick birthday shout happy birthday, Jake. Ideally,
if you could say from one ball knower to Jake,
from one bald knower to another, twenty two bro, got
the prime of your life. It's as good as it gets.
Enjoy it. All of a sudden you look up and go,

(59:05):
I'm forty fucking years old. I've been out of high
school over twenty years. And then you realize life only
gets better as you get older. Keep telling yourself that
at least I'm a lifelong Jacksman. Every time you speak
about us, it's always the coaches or Trevor. Would really

(59:27):
love to hear your assessment of Brian Thomas Jr. He
doesn't get much coverage playing down in Jacksonville, but I
think he's as good as a guy guy we've drafted before.
Obviously he looks excellent. It is pretty nuts. I guess
it's not because their offense was historically awesome. Brian Thomas

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Junior has a chance to be, I would say, over
the course of time, a top ten wide receiver. He
did have a bad drop two weeks ago in the
end zone, but he's been It's hard to watch them
and not see a guy, you know, the speed, the athleticism,
the playmaking. He's not quite Melik Neighbors, but he's I

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don't think I quite valued him enough when he was
at LSU. But think about LSU's offense. They had Molik Neighbors,
him and Jaden Daniels with two NFL tackles. Last year,
they basically had the Joe Burrow offense, like Jamar Chase
Justin Jefferson. I mean that one's we'll see if those
guys become that. But you know what I mean. I

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mean those one guy was drafted six, the other guys
drafted whatever twenty third, and they both immediately like, damn,
these guys are good. I even saw Brian Dave all
the day was like, yeah, Milik Neighbors was open all
the game along probably a big reason why DJ got benched. Yeah,
I'd be pretty excited about Brian Thomas Jr. After watching
Perty on Sunday, it's become clear to me that he

(01:00:53):
isn't a franchise quarterback. Don't get me wrong. I love
the guy and appreciate his story, but his physical limitations
become so clear against these top defenses that play tight
man coverage and force the quarterback to make tight window throws.
And watching Kyle's play calling and listening to his pressers,
I know he thinks the same thing. Teams like the

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Dolphins and Lions had no choice to pay their guy
because their management didn't want to put their jobs in
the hand of a rookie. But Kyle and John have
that stability. Do you think Kyle ends up trading Brock
and how much would the forty nine ers get for him?
Drew Aller would be perfect for Kyle. Uh, you know,

(01:01:34):
his value actually wouldn't be great because he's up for
a new contract, right, So it's who's trading. Would someone
trade a one for Brock Purty and then give him
two hundred million dollars? I guess you never say never
call the Raiders, but I would doubt it. His value
to the Niners is infinitely more than to someone else. Right,

(01:02:01):
It's like, think about if you live in a home
that you like, that value of that home, especially if
you've got a good interest rate, is worth a lot
to you. Even if someone knocked and offered thirty percent
above what you could get, You're like, I don't know,

(01:02:22):
Like this is just easy. So when you look at
the Niner situation, it's kind of an easy situation because
this guy knows the offense. They've won a lot of
games with him. But like you said, when they play
top defenses. Last year, the Browns kind of embarrassing. The
Baltimore Ravens not good yesterday really bad. I have been

(01:02:44):
a huge, pretty supporter, like you said, the guy, his
personal story, what he stands for, how tough he is,
how clutch he's been. But there are some eye opening
moments that you go which we know and I've always
said this, like hearing him do Mahomes, Alan Lamar Herbert,
those physical guys, Like he's not those guys, but can

(01:03:08):
he be the best version of like the golf Dak
and kind of that crew. And then you watch days
like yesterday, You're like, God, he's not as like it
wasn't there, and that consistently happened. So my counter is always,
why do you have to pay him after this year?
Why what's the rush? You do not have to He's

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got one more year. It's like, well he makes no money.
Welly see, he's got Ariatt commercials, he's got John Deere commercials.
Pretty's quite a little farmer. But he's making a lot
of money now, a ton of money off the field.
That's the great part about being starting quarterback for these
big brands in the NFL. You can parlay it immediately,
and he has. So it's like, to me, I don't

(01:03:54):
feel comfortable just giving out those numbers, like you know
what yesterday became. I text someone this, that's a fifty
five million dollar roster on offense. Got Ricky Piersoll, you
got Chris Conley, you got Kittle, Yt Trent, you got
Jordan Mason. I mean, that's welcome to the league. I

(01:04:14):
mean that's look at what Josh Allen was playing with
before Amari came. You don't just get you know, it's
like got Randy Moss, I got Debos, I got Kelsey
and Kittle. That's not the way it works. One injury
all of a sudden, you're looking. I'm telling I'm looking
at Maria. I'm like, who are these guys in the
cheap How are they kicking the Niners ass with these guys?

(01:04:37):
She's like, where's Kelsey? I'm like, hey, just kind of
a role player right now? Who's that running back? Oh?
This this guy that was really good then he was
out of the league and he's kind of old and
Andy thought he was immature and had some issues, so
they got rid of him. But he's mature. They brought
him back and all of a sudden, he's given him
twenty two carries me. He's running the ball right down
the forty nine ers rope. It's like, what is going on?

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I just think I'm not you know some of these
I think, you know, the most cliche thing to say
for people to talk about sports, like this guy needs
to get his back, deserves his back. I don't care
not my money. I don't give a shit either way.
You get paid awesome, someone doesn't want to pay it
whatever it's on the teams, but I have never won.

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That's like, if you have any question marks. That was
my thing with Dak, Like when he first signed the
contract five years ago or whatever, one sixty. I did
think it was pretty egregious. And he's still like he's
never gonna be a top five guy, but he hovers
between like six and twelve. So once you get that guy,

(01:05:44):
it is and has proven it over and over and
over again playshading the playoffs. But like the Cowboys were
never gonna let him go. It's clear once they gave
him that contract, Like why didn't you just sign the
contract last year? Like it never even once you got
once you traded for trailer ants and saw how terrible
that guy was, because I think that was Jerry's hope,
Like I'm gonna make Deck sweat this in the Dak

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season for a couple of days at training camp. Are
you serious, Jerry that this is this is gonna make
me looselye? Come on, Jerry and Dak had him by
the balls and Dak was gonna win that negotiation. Like
to me, the Brock thing is, yeah, he's done remarkable
things for the Niners, been a huge upgrade from Jimmy Garoppolo.

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But I'm watching Jordan love like and this is I
come from the school of traits and Purty is not
the type guy when I was scouting that when I
watch football now on Saturdays for a decade plus, that
I'm drawn to. I appreciate them and I admire, you know,

(01:06:47):
guys that are good at football, but like I'm inclined
to go with guys with the physical attributes who can
also play. Right now, he was a seventh round pick,
so he wasn't super high. But I'm watching Jordan love
and going. And this is what I always say about
Josh Allen, even Mahomes this year, Like, yeah, I don't
give a shit about interceptions. I don't care. Like obviously,

(01:07:09):
if you're just throwing interception out of interception, we're winning
five games on the season, Yeah, it's a problem. But
throwing picks and won't winning, That's what I would think,
Like I'm a fan, Yeah, I can live with it
as long as we win. The guy makes plays down
the stretch. Again, Like one of my favorite players is
a kid, was Brett Farr. Threw a lot of picks, sure,
won a lot of games and slice up a lot
of people when it mattered the most. So yeah, I

(01:07:30):
mean you would love sometimes the Aaron Rodgers forty touchdowns
and five picks. One thing I do love even if
you're throwing picks big time plays, and there was a
throw yesterday in that game, we're pretty underthrown. I'm watching
Jordan Love, he says, slinging that pill. My god, I
was thinking about this today. I don't think Packer fans.
Maybe some do, but it'd be impossible to It's like,

(01:07:54):
if you're just like born into a lot of money,
how do you even value money? It's like everything's You've
just been richer entire life from the moment you could think, talk, see,
walk to as you age, and you've just been rich
your entire life. You don't really know anything else. So
like I do understand why a lot of those people
struggle with just perspective, like if you never like, yeah,

(01:08:16):
I can't afford that hotel, or I can't afford to
buy that car, let alone that home, or go on
that vacation or whatever. Like I always tell this to people,
like the word vacation is such like a that is
such a first class thing to throw around. The overwhelming
majority of human beings just don't go on a lot
of vacations. When I was a kid, like I can

(01:08:39):
count on like one hand, and I'm not counting like
driving up in high school with buddies to Tahoe for
the weekend, spend the night somewhere. I'm talking like people
go away for a week like that. That is not normal.
Most people don't do that. It's most people don't go
from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers to draw love and

(01:09:01):
even that, like, I don't know exactly what he's gonna
ultimately be. It's like lafour gets mad when people are
talking shit about the Farv that he throws too many
picks like him, or everyone compares the way he moves
to Aaron Rodgers. Do you know how crazy it is
that you can be like, you know what, he's got
bits and pieces of Farvin Rogers think how It's why

(01:09:25):
I bet the house against it not working, because I went,
what are the odds that they're gonna go from first
ballot Hall of Famer to first ballot Hall of Famer
to just a really good player, like a guy that's
gonna make some Pro Bowls And you watch him. He's
obviously a little radic at times, so is Brett, but man,

(01:09:45):
that guy is an explosive player. Like you are so
lucky you, I mean, what if you just want to
ended up with and I'm not listen. I know this
guy get drafted a lot higher in Jordan Love, but
I'm just using these players as examples. Like what if
the guy that you would draft of the end of
the first was just Tua, right, I mean something like that, right, Dak.

(01:10:06):
Some of that level, like this guy's physical attributes and
ability to push the ball down the field is insane,
it really is. As the level of play in the

(01:10:29):
NFL gone downhill significantly lately. As a lifelong I'm twenty seven,
a lot of your life is pretty good, bro. Right,
as you were coming into being a sports fan, they
say most sports fans really it really like materializes inside
like eight years old. So from for twenty years you
saw the majority of this. I find myself constantly thinking

(01:10:52):
ninety percent of Tom Brady led Patriot teams would absolutely
running through the current NFL with ease. Not many truly
a middle linebackers or corners. So many poor offensive linemans,
so many bad quarterbacks, so many poorly coached teams. I
think that's the key. I honestly think that's the key. Now,

(01:11:13):
we've always had bad coaches there, you know, there have
been Jim tom Sulla's there have been Joe judges like that.
There are bad coaches ten years ago, twenty thirty years ago.
That's always been part of the deal. But I think
one thing, if you look around this year, we have
guys that probably never in a million years would have

(01:11:33):
been a head coach twenty years ago because you would
have given it. You just would have been more inclined
to give it to a longtime coach, right like a coordinator.
You know, twenty years ago, Spags for example, would have
got another job. So the Patriots are the Raiders for example,

(01:11:56):
or let's use the Panthers. Girod Mail has coached five years,
five years. Dave Candallas, he was a coordinator for one
year and spent over a decade with Pete Carroll. And
if look at his resume, like he wasn't it's kind
of crazy. And they were running through offensive coaches and

(01:12:17):
it's like it took him till the latter part of
his time there to even get with the quarterbacks. Mayo
was a little unique because he had played there, So
I'd argue that we've seen Gerrod Mayo before. The Al
Davis used to do things like that. But I think
you see a lot of coaches that just wouldn't have
been coaches, And we've seen it the last couple of

(01:12:38):
years that like the Joe Judges of the world, the
Antonio Pearce was coaching high school team like six or
seven years ago. It was not that long ago that
he was the head coach at Long Beach. Polly, I
don't know. I think that the coaching I think like

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any industry, and it's not even just head coaching. I
think it's position coaching. There is so much money in
the business. I heard a story today about a linebacker
coach who makes well over a million dollars. You understand,
I would say the majority of offensive line coaches in
the league are all making over one million dollars. Running back,

(01:13:21):
wide receiver coach, these guys are making, depending on how
long you've been in the league, anywhere from six hundred
grand to nine hundred grand. These jobs pay so much money.
If you can get a coordinator job and sign like
a three year, six million dollar deal like that changes
the course of your family. And also if you have
success doing that, all of a sudden you're signing a

(01:13:42):
four year, thirty million dollar deal to be a head
coach could be more than that depending on how much
your value could be four or five or fifty. So
whenever there's a business that is giving away that much money,
you're gonna have. Frads, you're gonna have and one. It's
a tough job, right, It's very time consuming. You're working

(01:14:05):
during the season eighty ninety hour weeks. It's you have
to be able to deal with people. Well, think about
the majority of humans. You know what percentage of them
are great? Deal with people not most. So it's like
just because you like no football does not mean you're
a great people person. Then you got to be able

(01:14:27):
to do a couple things like motivate coach in terms
of teach and deal with your players who are much
younger than you that are having ups and downs in
their life. It's a very very challenging job. I'm obviously
very critical of the job, but I'll be the first
to having spent a ton of time around these it

(01:14:49):
is hard. I'm not acting like one I could do
it too, I wouldn't want to do it. I'd have
no I don't care that much about helping people in
terms of like I I couldn't do have a group
if I was like an offensive line coach or wide
receiver coach and pretend to care about the guys I
didn't think were good enough. And part of coaching is

(01:15:10):
doing that and having like a belief in someone that
doesn't believe in themselves and honestly might not be good enough.
And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. And some
people are like addicted to that feeling. I'm the opposite
of you couldn't that feeling does nothing to me. But
like I said, I have a lot of admiration for

(01:15:31):
how hard all these guys work, but they're highly compensated.
Like this is not either expecting me to work ninety
hours and they're paying me eighty k. You know, I
understand this is not a nine to five, but shit,
they're asking a lot of me. No, we're paying you premiums.
And I just think the coaching. I also think the

(01:15:53):
evolution of all these offenses and defenses. How could all
these guys know this stuff as well? You're constantly moving teams,
you're learning new stuff. I think a lot of people
don't have an identity, you know, like the Shanahan guys
all feel pretty confident running you know the base of
the offense, right, I'm trying to think that the Pete

(01:16:16):
Carroll guys, it's kind of outdated now, but for a
long time really really understood that defense. Like that's the
core philosophical belief. How to run that defense, how to
develop that unit, to run that defense starting in OTAs,
through training camp, through the through the season. So like
you you completely have in your in your gut what

(01:16:37):
you want to do. I think a lot of guys
are just kind of philosophically they float like, yeah, I
did this, then I did that, Like well, what what
is yours? Like what what have you mastered? What have
you mastered? And in fairness, because of the profession, you're
constantly getting fired. You got to take a job, You're
moving all over the place. It's hard. There's a lot

(01:16:59):
of luck involved. Like when you're twenty seven, did you
get hired on Andy Reid's staff or Bill Belichick's staff
or Mike Shanahan or you know Pete Carroll's, Cause if
you get on the wrong staff, it's like, yeah, you know,
Jim Tom Sulla gave me a call that derailed my career.
Mail bag in the case of for example, sa Kwon

(01:17:20):
Barkley going to the Eagles, who are in the same
division as the Giants and they play each other a lot.
Would he relay the Eagles game plan and strategies that
the Giants had when the Eagles are preparing for the Giants.
Is there some kind of agreement that players won't share
insider information about their former teams when they are traded

(01:17:42):
two new teams. No, there isn't you know, having worked
in radio, that there are clauses you had to sign
your contract. I don't really have any proprietary information here obviously,
besides like the podcast feed. But I'm sure a lot
of you that work in different industries have competition clauses

(01:18:03):
in football. Now, maybe he had to give, you know,
these playbooks around the iPad, So maybe his team issued iPad.
At the end of the season, he gives back. But
think about what you just said. For example, so he
could go tell the defense, this is how we've looked
to attack you the last couple of years. Well, their
whole defense is new. It's a new scheme with Vic Fangio.

(01:18:26):
So that's the thing. And I saw Belichick. Belichick's been
on a heater lately. Today on McAfee. He was just
letting it fly. You talk about a guy that does
not care. Right now, this is all I ever want
out of my Belichick's, my Manning's, my Brady's. It's like,
if you're gonna do this and get a mic infront
of you, let it fly. Why do you care? Especially Bill? Bill,

(01:18:48):
You've made so much money, you're headed straight to Canton.
You got this twenty five year old girl on your arm,
your living who gives you? I know you talked about
all these people. I don't even need all of it.
Just give me like twenty five percent of it. Let
it rip. And he's letting it go on the Jets.
He was letting it fly on the Giants. It's like, yes,

(01:19:11):
I can't stand the Matt Patricias is like, Matt, if
you're not gonna say anything, and I mean anything, what
is the point of all this? Why don't you just
stay in the film room and feed Bill notes if
you're gonna, hey, say this. This scheme sucks because I
know you believe that. I know you're thinking that, and
I think more and more Bill's talking. He's like, Ea, shit,
I'm Bill freaking Belichick. Say whatever I want. It's why

(01:19:38):
you know I thought Nick Saban on the Texas Georgia game,
he flipped a coin to pick the team, and he
claimed that he fell on Texas. I'm pretty sure he's
picking Texas no matter what in that environment. And a
lot of people I say this on social media, they're like,
what are you talking about? You think Nick cares? Well?

(01:20:00):
I had a birdie tell me who's very in the
loop in what goes on, not in just in the
SEC but those specific programs that Kirby and Nick aren't
super close anymore, even though that was literally his mentee. Well,
why do you think that is? Because Kirby, who helped
Nick build Alabama from the ground, was his defensive coordinator

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and assistant head coach and right hand man, got there
at seven o eight with him and built that fucker
from the ground. Well, when he went to Georgia, what happened.
Georgia quickly became Bama's equal, was quickly recruiting the exact
same player and was landing a lot of guys that
Nick would have landed. Like ultimately, Nicks in competition with them.

(01:20:45):
So they're not quite as close is I think they
portray and in a weird way maybe because they're like
two p's in a pod, very similar people in this
defensive guys. Maybe because Sarks an offensive guy and he's
just a little more optimistic, happier. It feels like like

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Nick like Sark more. Now maybe it's because he doesn't
view Texas As like a Bama equal. I know they
beat him last year, but I just mean just in
terms of programs, and now that Texas is in the SEC,
it's probably it would be different. But at the time,
like Georgia became his equal in the SEC, so it
took a little shine off him. Like at the end

(01:21:27):
of the day, like these fucking guys got big egos,
big egos. So I'm Kirby smart, I go Nick. We
have played a ton of times in the SEC championship game,
we played the National Championship game. We have gone to
war together. I'm pretty sure Kirby went to Miami with him.

(01:21:48):
I'm talking to Dolphins and you have to flip a
coin on this one, Like I'm your guy. If I
was Kirby, I'd be kind of pissed, Like Nick, you
played me enough. You think Sark's a better coach than me?
Do you do you believe that? Honestly? Do you believe
that Nick, you're gonna flip a coin like these are

(01:22:10):
my two guys. Now, Sark work for you for a
couple of years. We spent like a decade together, my
man winning Natties from scratch. When we showed up the team, bleww,
it wasn't Alabama football. It was a program that could

(01:22:31):
barely get to six and six. That guy showed up
when you know everyone was making money and now you
act like we're all equals. I'd be pissed to if
I was Kirby. I really would. I'd be like, screw you, man,
that's just like and guess what. You watched that postgame
presser for Kirby. He was saying a lot of different things,

(01:22:54):
but when he said the ESPN everyone picked him. He
doesn't care who McAfee or Desmond Howard picked. He's going
Nick Saban picked fucking Texas over us. That that was
people like he flipped a coin. Bullshit. I have a
hard time thinking. I just think Nick. I just think

(01:23:17):
he was picking Texas no matter what, because in this
weird way, who did he want to replace him? Last
year when he retired? You know his number one pick
was Steve Sarkisian that's who he wanted. Now, obviously Kirby's
not gonna leave George to go to Alabama. It's the
same job, and Kirby went to George. But still like
Nick has kind of this weird affinity for Sark, which

(01:23:37):
again Sarks good Sarks. Sarks kind of grown on me.
But as I said with Colin, and I just don't
think this can be overstated enough, it's hard to be
a tough guy when you're not a tough guy. Honestly,
I didn't really knew or know. Like, my dad was
a farmer, so I was around some guys who were

(01:24:00):
I would quote unquote considered tough. But it's not like
when I was a kid you would see them fighting
and stuff. You just knew, like that guy's a tough guy.
It's like that guy's been through some shit. But when
I got to cal Paly, and I had never been
around wrestlers and I got there in two thousand and three,
in my incoming class was a guy named Chad Mendez

(01:24:21):
who went on to his senior year was one of
the best wrestlers in the country. I think lost in
the National Championship. Went on to Dana White in the UFC.
He's fought Conner, he's fot Aldo and the guy one
of my fraternity budd He's one of my good buddies.
Aaron Woshowski was basically I think he got into school,

(01:24:46):
like he had to come to summer school or whatever
and lived with these guys, all the wrestlers, because they
had to do the same thing. And then once we
became friends, he started telling us stories. And I didn't
even know who Chad Bendez was, but about these guys
in the summer going to like Pismo Beach where like
twenty minutes where the school was away from the beach
and getting into a fight with like a biker gang

(01:25:08):
and Chad Mendez, this eighteen year old kid. And obviously
by the end, by the time we're graduating, we had
all seen Chad and the crew getting brawls yearly, never
even come close to losing. Honestly, I don't think even
they took many shots, right, I mean, I think the
delivery of giving to taking swings at the face and

(01:25:32):
the body is got to be like a fifty to
one ratio. And it's like that in life, right, Guys
who can fight. We all know guys that can fight,
and guys like I ain't getting to a brawl, I
ain't gonna win, so I just avoid them. Now, if
I had to, you got no choice. But like like
you kind of know, like, yeah, that's not my thing.
But it's no different in coaching, right, some guys like

(01:25:54):
Nick Saban, you can't fake that edge and that toughness
he had, Urban Meyer has as well. You cannot fake that.
You either have it deep inside your soul, in your gut,
or you don't. And Kirby Smart has that, and it
tends to be defensive guys, guys that play defense. Nick
Saban was a defensive player at Kent State. Kirby Smart

(01:26:17):
obviously defensive player. A lot of offensive guys don't have that,
and like Sark does not have that, there is no
way that he can keep his team on edge, even
if they got the same team, the same exact players.
If it was just if this was a video game

(01:26:38):
and I gave each team the same exact lineup, Kirby's
would just be tougher. Now, it doesn't mean Sarks wouldn't
be better offensively, you know, schematically more difficult to neutralize.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm just talking about pure toughness, grit,
and like we're here for a fucking browl and defensive guys,

(01:27:01):
the good ones they like you watch Mike Tomlins team,
Do you watch John Harbaugh's team? Like you don't fake
that stuff. Jim Harbaugh's a quarterback, but he's wired like
those guys. Same thing with Dan Campbell. He's a tight end,
but he feels more like a outside linebacker. Like you
just can't fake what they have now if you don't

(01:27:23):
have it. Like I don't think Kyle Shanahan or Sean
McVay are tough guys, but where they're good is they
understand the importance of defense and they give a lot
of resources to that side of the ball. Andy's kind
of in the middle, Like I would not mess with Andy,
but he's more easy going, but like if he has to,
like I would not bug with Andy. Now, he doesn't

(01:27:46):
carry himself as crazy, but like he's got it in
his back pocket at any moment because he's from a
group of guys Mike Holmgren, John Gruden that also had
that in their back pocket. And those guys were offensive guys, right,
So I I just it's one of the most fascinating
things about coaching. Scheme is really important in the NFL

(01:28:09):
is a little different, right, Like motivation to me is
a little overrated in the NFL. It's much more of
the chess game and the coaching game. It's more of
an intellectual game because everyone's all the players like you
get to that level, like you better be playing around
but in college because you know, not everyone has a
pro at this position or you know a really good

(01:28:30):
player at this position. The edge and the coaching and
the intensity and this the that raw ra stuff, to
me is obviously you got to recruit. I'm not saying like,
but like, is Walker that much better than the left
tackle who's supposedly a first rounder for Texas? Or was
Kirby in that guy's ass all week long and telling

(01:28:53):
them we're out for blood. I can't even imagine the
intensity and how guys were walking on eggshells in that building,
because it was like that in Alabama for fifteen years,
and I've been lucky enough to know a lot of
guys that worked in Alabama. It was like that in
New England also lucky enough to know a lot of
guys that work there. It's not really like that in
Kansas City. Now, the one thing in Kansas City is

(01:29:14):
like you were practicing. So unless you're got a torn
ecl or on injury, reserve, buckle that shit up Wednesday
and we're wearing pads and it's an intense football environment,
but it's a little bit more on you. You either
match it, show up to practice, work hard, learn the plays,

(01:29:34):
and take the shit seriously, or we'll just get rid
of you. It's very and this is what I like
about Andy. It's much more like a business, right either
this is what we're doing, was what we always do.
You either shape in or shape out, But like, this
is what goes on here, and it's an intense place
to play. But if you shape in, it's a great

(01:29:54):
place to play because it's definitely more fun than the
New England Dynasty. Like we smiled. We have a good
time here. But the football stuff is very intense, very intense.
And that's where I think there's a lot of similarities
with Andy and Belichick is the football stuff's very intense.
Though Andy's much more likely to like break bread with you, right,

(01:30:17):
hang out, know your wife's name. I don't think Belichick.
Belichick wouldn't talk to people walking down the hallway, which
I totally believe, be yourself, and that's his authentic self
or his belief on how to do it. So I
don't even know how we got in that tangent, but
have a great day to talk to you tomorrow. The

(01:30:39):
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