#577 - Kaitlin Butts on “You Ain’t Gotta Die” Going Viral + Stage Vulnerability

Kaitlin Butts sits down with Bobby to break down how “You Ain’t Gotta Die” went from a song in her set to the one people show up already knowing—thanks to a viral moment, a karaoke run-in, and a soundcheck decision that unexpectedly changed everything. She talks about why the track feels cathartic to sing, what it’s like hearing a crowd belt it back, and how leaning into vulnerability on stage has become the whole point. Plus: growing up between city life and Oklahoma country life, navigating industry attention after the song popped, and why being fully yourself is the only strategy that lasts.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Did you ever float there?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I don't float. I don't like to have much. I
never like to have my shirt off. I don't float now.
I don't float.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm Bobby Bones and I don't float.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
All right, the guest will be Caitln Butts coming up.
I'm a big fan of Kaitlyn Butts. She has the
song you Ain't Got to Die to be Dead to Me,
and she put out a record called the Ehaw Sessions.
We talk about it. It's covers, but she did Jimmy
Eat World the Middle, which I thought was great. We
get into all that, but just so you have some
context about who you're listening to. She has the Roadrunner

(00:37):
Tour two point zero in Europe and the United States,
and tickets all up at Caitlin Butts dot com k
A I T L I N b U T t
s dot com. Caitlyn has spelled so many ways, which
I've learned because that is my wife's name and everybody
spells it wrong. There's with the K, there's the C,
there's for the y. So Tulsa Oklahoma native, and let's
talk to her now, super funny, love her music. It

(01:00):
is Kaitlin Buttes, Caitlyn Good to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Got to see you too.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I gotta start by saying I never wear cowboy hats.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah it looks good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
And this wasn't for you. It wasn't because I would
have thought perfect timing. Yeah, but I got a package
from Landman today.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Ooh, that's perfect. You know we're in it backwards. It's perfect.
You did well.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I'm from Arkansas, so I mean I wore cowboy hats
a little bit as a kid. Yeah, but I grew
up more white trash country than cowboy country. Yeah, there's
a distinct difference.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, truly, I didn't grow up either way. So I've
definitely been on stage before and gotten off stage and
been like, my hat is on backwards right now?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
No way?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, it was like it felt kind of funny on
my head the whole time. But it's like I get
ready in the dark half the time in my van,
like in between seats. I that's why I have so
many wardrobe malfunctions. I have a lot of the way
to get ready is not always like in a green
room with all the lights. It's normally in my van
and putting my hat on backwards. For a couple of shows,

(02:01):
I was just like, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
What you want to get? You want a cowboy? Growing up?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I wasn't. No, I was in musical theater growing up
until in the middle of the city of Tulsa.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
You sell it perfectly things.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I mean, I so my background is like really different.
But yeah, but what's weird is like musical theater. I
think I said this last time. It was so weaved
into what I sang about. Even in musical theater, I
was doing like tap dances to Johnny Cash or The Chicks,
or songs about murder, which is always a common theme.
And you know country, and I mean I always was

(02:32):
in country or like I was Mary Rogers and Will
Rogers Polly's growing up or doing any get your gun
with a with a rifle on my back, like I
was always in country music, get up, and I mean
being from Oklahoma, that's just like a part of the culture.
But no, I didn't grow up doing that. And it
wasn't until I was probably twenty probably twenty three or

(02:52):
twenty four. My mom and I moved to Lone Grove,
Oklahoma and got twenty acres and we got donkeys for
esthetic purposes. And that was like the only time that
I've actually felt like I had that kind of life
of I mean, we were such city girls. We literally
the only time I'd ever seen a bale of hay, Like,
how I get these delivered these donkeys from a guy

(03:14):
that had a podcast at the time, You.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Got a donkey delivery from a guy with a podcast?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeaheah. I told him that I like the happiest part
of my day going home was my mom and I
would take this like road less traveled or they're long
way home so that we could go look at the donkeys.
And they were just so cute to us. And he
was like, do you want donkeys? And I said I
would kill for some donkeys, oh my gosh. And he
was like, well, I'm trying to get rid of these
two miniature donkeys, and so I named him Thelma and

(03:40):
Louise and what was crazy? So he dumped them at
my house and I had no idea how to take
care of him. And the only place I had seen
Straw this is so this is so embarrassing. Every cowboy
is going to be like, you, dumb girl. The only
time I'd seen Straw was like at hobby lobby, like
for like.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
All crafts, I did work in hobby lobby for a
long time, so I'm very familiar with that straw.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yes, I yeah, you know the little thing. I was like,
this is little will get them through the day until
I know where to buy straw. And I called the
guy and was like, hey, yeah, I got to them
some straw. I'm on my way home right now, but like,
where can I get like more? And he said where
did you buy the straw? I said, hobby lobby. This
only place that I've ever seen straw, or hey, I
don't know, and he was like, good God, so he

(04:24):
dropped off this big barrel. It was actually my car
dealer that I called to ask for That's so crazy. Yeah,
so I definitely didn't grow country, but I kind of
morphed into it in my mid twenties and lived that
country lifestyle a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
But yeah, did the donkeys live, Uh?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yes, they actually so my mom moved out of that house.
It was a lot to take care of after I
had moved out, taking care of twenty acres. It's just
not something a woman like by herself can really manage,
and so they can, but you know, she just didn't
want to, and so she gave that those donkeys. Thelma
and Louise are at the CAFETERI. She's a teacher, so
she gave him to the I think like a cafeteria

(05:04):
lator or a janitor or something like that. But she's
got kiddos and who love them and.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
They're still alive.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh yeah, that hobby lobby. That's funny.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's embarrassing, and first embarrassing story ever on Bobby Bones.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
It could I see where that could be confused though. Yeah,
but you grew up in Oklahoma, so I would say
your version of a city girl is still a little
bit country.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, I mean it's I feel like,
at least the stories and the appreciation for the lifestyle
is something that I've always looked to and wanted to
be a part of. But like even like Vince gill
or Willie Nelson, they've never like claimed to be cowboys
or lived that life. But you really appreciate it and
you look to it, and you know know that it's
necessary in this world.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
My uncle Rick had a bunch of hogs and horses
and he lived on the like a side of him
he still does side of a hill mountain In Arkansas,
we have mountains but they're not real mountains. They don't
have no mountains. Yeah, that kind of mounts. If you
don't have a name, you're not really a mountain. But
I'm from a town called Mountain Pine, and so on

(06:07):
the side of this mountain all the hogs lived, and
on the top of the mountain where he lived, all
the horses were. And so grew up trailer park poor
for the most part, but not cowboy poor, except he
was a cowboy. And that's the only time I felt
like I could wear a cowboy hat because I had
to slap his hogs when I was there, and I

(06:28):
would ride his horses a lot when I was there,
and I kind of stopped being a weekend cowboy I
was riding. Have you done much horse riding at all? Okay,
I've only done a minimal amount. But I used to
ride his bare bag because they just existed, and I
was a kid, so I would get on the horses.
And I remember being a teenager and riding one of

(06:48):
his horses and it took me underneath the power line.
Oh oh yeah, it literally closed line. I guess it
wasn't a power line, it was a it was a
clothes line. Yeah, it literally closed line me off the horse. Yeah,
power line would have been a hold the store. And
so I have a real respect and I thought I
cannot pull. I'm not tough enough to be a cowboy. Yeah,
and I don't look like it. Yeah, I look like

(07:08):
Weezer meets a cowboy.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
I mean, what an aesthetic. Though. If I were to
see you on the side of the road dress like
this on a horse in Fort Worth, Texas, Cardigan, I'd
believe it. He's on brand for himself. I mean, you know,
authentic to you.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
When did you want to do music that wasn't theatrical music.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I mean it was around the time that Miranda Lambert,
the Wreckers, Brandy Carlyle, and Taylor Swift. They were all
just like all these women that I already I just
love their music and listen to it. But I mean,
I love I grew up listening to nineties country like
most kids in Oklahoma and whatever was on the radio,
and so it was just girls that After I had
seen the Wreckers play at Kaine's ball Room a long

(07:48):
time ago, I was like, that is what I want
to do because I loved I love that their storytelling
wasn't always super bright it was about real life they
as I saw it. And I love obviously Taylor Swift.
I love Miranda Lamber and like that fire that she
has and I feel like I have that too, some
like buried inside of me and need to get it
out somehow. And I had a really cool guitar player

(08:09):
or guitar teacher who sat me down for my first
lesson and was like, knew my mom had kind of
sidebar conversation with him, was like, she needs quick gratification.
So she like, if she's gonna play guitar, like she
needs to know something by the end or else she's
gonna you know, don't teach her theory upfront. She will
not be interested in that, which is so true. And

(08:30):
so he asked me what my favorite song was right now,
and I said Karrosene by Miranda Lambert and he taught
me that.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
They like at the beginning yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I was like, Okay, I feel like a rock star.
This is the coolest thing ever. And so he showed
me GCD and said, find all the Miranda Lambert songs
that have GC and Danna and Taylor Swift and all
the girls that you like. You now will be able
to play those songs if you get the rhythm right.
And so that was my homework, was to print out
all these ultimate guitar tabs and chords and just listen

(09:00):
to them and sing them and try to play them.
How old are you, Dan, I was fifteen.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Did you become obsessed with learning the guitar? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean it was more just I wanted I love
to perform in front of my family in the living
room and just like play songs for them, and yeah,
I just love to play the song. It wasn't more
like obsessed with learning how to be a shredder, but
it was more about just performing and getting to sing
because it feels good.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I love the records. Yeah, they came and played a
show with my band at the Rhyme and two years ago.
It was the first time they'd been together in like
ten years. Yeah and so and individually and together. And
I was a massive Michelle Branch fan. Yeah, back in
the day.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Can I tell you something really cool?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I would love to hear it.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
She liked my middle video on Instagram the other day,
And I let out a scream in the middle of
Heart's Cafe the other day by myself, because I'm such
a huge fan of her and the records. That's like
why I play guitar and she's That was the cool
moment I met her. Yet, No, I haven't, but I
love her.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
She's super cool. Yeah, And I was worried that she
wouldn't be because you know, she became kind of reluctant,
that reluctant star after a while because she hit so
hard so young, and then on her own accord a lot,
she just kind of fell back and then came back
and released a couple of songs, and we were doing

(10:21):
this big show for Saint Jude, and I get I
don't take rejection. Well, I don't get angry, but I
get hurt, Like I take everything so personally, and I
tried not to. I've read the four Agreements like twenty times,
and one of the four agreements is take nothing personal
in business. But I still I like, I have an
affinity for her music because I loved it when I

(10:41):
was younger. She spoke to me the young girl, Yeah, my.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Younger young everyone's got a young girl and.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Says them, and so I was nervous that they were
going to say no, and they immediately said yes, that's awesome,
and Jessica flew down from she lived in Midwest, maybe
Saint Louis, and they came and did my show, my
radio show, and then they came and played with us
at the rhyme and not only did we do lead
the pieces from which A plus Michelle Branch was cool
enough to do her songs too, and it was it

(11:09):
was really, really great. And I thought for a minute
they were going to do a record again because I
was really come on.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Gay kind of talked about it.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, and then they haven't yet. I'm still holding
on done.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm holding on for it. I mean, those those songs,
I mean, even listening to them when I was a kid,
it just opened me up to like Patty Griffin, I
didn't know before I was really into this, I didn't
realize how many artists like cover other songwriters and it's
not always their song, like Miranda, you know, picks other
people's songs, and but Patty Griffin was one that I

(11:39):
was introed by the records and that just opens up
your whole world of you know, like those are the
chick songs that I love. That's Patty Griffin, And yeah,
I love the records. I need them to make another album,
but I will hang on to, you know, leave the
Pieces album with Rain and One More Girl. I covered
One More Girl for the Saddihaw sessions last time I
did it, and I just love.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Them the project you did with the Middle, and I've
talked about the Middle, and I've played that song a
lot on my radio show because I just think it's
so good. I thought, I think the song itself is
so good, but I thought your version was wonderfully poignant,
and it felt different because that song by Jimmy heat World. Listen.

(12:23):
I was an alternative kid in the nineties. I was
an alternative kid and I was a country kid because
country music talked about where I was from and alternative
music talked about how I felt. Although I don't know
if I was really that angry, no.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
But I relate to that a lot. I mean, I
listened to a lot of emo music growing up in
that alternative world, ever, Lavine, I mean everything, I mean
red jumpsuit apparatus or even like Rob Zombie like on
that world. I felt like that kind of angst that
they had, but I also had same with like country music.
It's like you relate in all kinds of ways. I
feel like country has that inks too.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Sometimes In Jimmy world, that song was so that tempo.
It was an outbeat song, so it didn't really ever
translate to me what he was really saying until I
started to read the lyrics. And I've talked about it
so many times. This is way before you put it out. Then,
I think a lot of people, because they just love
the song and there's an electric guitar and the tempos fast,

(13:14):
that they probably are just like this fun song, like
just partying. Yeah, but it's rich, really a heartfelt song,
it really is, and it's really like a a like
a motivating you can do it type song. Yeah, and so,
and I'd have had many conversations about that, even doing
music podcasts. And then when you did this song, like

(13:35):
I was affected by it. I was like, wow, this,
this is kind of capturing what the secret of that
song is. Ye, why did you do that song?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'd been at Frans karaoke night here in Nashville on
Gallatin and I was after you and Got to Die
went viral. I got lots of attention, which is I
love attention, So I was taking it in lots of
label started sniffing around. I had lots of really cool opportunities.
I had people singing my songs and like more people

(14:04):
listening to my music than ever before. I just saw
this huge spike of attention, and at the same time,
I was getting just like this overwhelmingly huge amount of
just negative attention at the same time. And I'd never
seen that level of just like critiques about my hair, body, face, personality,
am my talent? Am I not good enough? Like? And

(14:27):
I don't typically like take in those comments and take
them to heart, but once about every twenty eight days
or so, I start to become very fragile and frail
and wonder like, are they right about me? Am I?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Am I not?

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Am I not good? Am I not? Am I ugly?
Am I not talented? Like? Am I not funny? And
I'm like, no, I know I'm funny, but like I
I so it just kind of makes you check yourself.
And I wasn't feeling very good one night and went
to karaoke to make myself feel better, because that's what I,
as a professional singer, do to make myself feel better
is go to karaoke. And she started A girl started

(15:02):
singing the song and it I love that dive bar
so much. It's like it's such an unassuming place and
but this girl gets up there and she's singing this
song with like all of her passion, and like there's
like maybe four people in the front doing their thing,
and the lyrics come up on the screen and I
just start like crying because I was like, oh my god,
I needed to hear I didn't know what the song

(15:22):
was about, like you said, but I needed to hear
those words. And it was just such a moving moment
for me to like see that. And so the next
day I looked at my manager I was like, oh
my god, this song is like making me choke up.
And the next day I just pulled up the chords
because whenever I want to hear something again or just
like I just wanted wanted to play it and see

(15:43):
what it would sound like. And then I played it
at sound check and my band was just like WHOA,
Like that sounds so cool. I like how you like
slowed it down, and they started playing it with me,
and before you know what, we're playing it at our
shows and I'm I'm just looking out into the crowd
like realizing, like these people everbody needs to hear this too.
I feel like every show I need to say it
to myself, and so it just felt like one of

(16:05):
those really cathartic songs that I need to sing for
my own self. But then like look out to individual people,
like that's a moment for me to just like really
look into the eyes of people and let remind people
that they're in the middle of this, like, you know,
no pun intended, but like this ride of am I
gonna let people that are negative, like impact this huge

(16:26):
moment that I've had with you ain't got to die
or this huge career moment, let them like rain on
the parade. And it's like, hell, no, I'm not gonna
let some guys sitting behind a keyboard, you know, tell
me that you know I'm not good enough or I
don't deserve this, or I haven't worked hard enough for it,
and or tell me the'm ugly because I know I'm not.
But there's but I think getting to that vulnerable point

(16:47):
on stage and talking to people because I feel like
I don't I talk about a lot of things, but
just connecting with them and letting them know that like
I'm not perfect and I never claimed to be, but
I struggled and so connecting in that way on stage
is something I want to do with that song, like
every night feels so good.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah. The first line of that song is, hey, don't
write yourself off yet.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And I think a lot of the message I'm not
going to stay lost, I think is translated yeah, different
because of how fast and how electric and how you know,
rock that song.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
It's freeing too. I like the tempo of the bigness
of it because it's freeing. It kind of makes you
want to thrash around, and maybe that's what they wanted.
But playing it slow and being really intentional and like
making people hear the words how I want them to
be heard is like just another way to hear it.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'm jaded, so I don't love a lot of things
like I loved it.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
I also I don't have a period and don't min
stright in about twenty eight days. I bet every twenty
eight days I feel the same way.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
So, well, you have a wife. My husband gets sympathy
pains or whatever. He calls oh my god. I'm like, no,
you're just email right now.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I just am affected too by that. Yeah, And I've
been doing this a long time.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
There's no way you can't be human and not be
affected by people's critiquing you, because like we are all
trying our best ever at every point, like we're just
doing the best that we can with what we have,
and yeah, people are just terrible sometimes, but I think
that in those times, like I really every time there's
a negative person, I'm like, I click on their profile

(18:25):
to like see who they are if it's terrible, like
alarmingly terrible, And I have the best advice that I
was ever I saw on the internet. I don't remember where,
but it was like, never take advice from someone that
you wouldn't trade places with, and that like stuck with
me hard and all of these people, I would never
trade places with them. They are they're sad people, And
I think that then it kind of shifts your perspective

(18:48):
of like I feel bad for this person, Like I
feel genuine sorrow for them for them to get on
the internet and just like on some girl that they
don't know me, they don't know how my whole past,
or that I don't think that I'm perfect either, or
I just start to feel compassion for those people because
they're sad people who is busy and cool that is

(19:10):
sitting there on the internet. That's right, you're bored, Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
The Internet. So first what I do because I have
to manage and an even boundary myself or I spiral
hard because we wouldn't have got into this business if
we didn't have a screw loose ye, right, and we're
searching for affirmation, like we're doing creative things and we
need people to like them for different reasons. It could
be for success for personal But I now do not

(19:35):
allow myself to look at any comments at all unless
it's on a Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Is it a Tuesday. I just had to pick a day,
just had one day.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I had to pick it a day that allowed me
to actually go over And it's almost like when I
would have a cheat day when I was super into fitness.
If I didn't have a cheat day, I would think
I'd always be on the edge, like maybe I should
just break down. But if I knew I had one coming,
I could always get through the next because Tuesday, I'm
gonna have freaking cokecakes. So I don't hit the app

(20:05):
replies on my Twitter. I don't look at comments in
my Instagram unless it's on Tuesday, and then I'm just
playing the odds because I've got to be in a
place too where I'm feeling sad or anxious or I've
got to feel a bit vulnerable anyway to be affected
in that way. Normal me doesn't get affected by stuff.
But if the world's if that ven diagram of all

(20:27):
the things hits and it's right, and I'm in it. Yeah,
I don't like the version of me that I turn
into because I get triggered and I fight and it's ugly.
I'll kill people on life.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
And so but what you got to be perfect if
you're coming for me, is all I gotta say.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I think that if what I say to myself is
I'm not going to listen to anybody, like I'm not
going to take your critique if I wouldn't take your advice,
So that's not worthy in affecting me positively. But also
I do feel bad for them as well, because I
don't have one, I'm gonna say, well adjusted, balanced friend
that gets on controls people. Yeah, and so there's something

(21:05):
missing from their life that makes them act this way,
and that them acting that way is just a symptom
of the disease of something I ain't going right for them, Yeah,
and they're taking it out on what they feel are
people that do have things going right for them.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, completely unprompted. It's just great. It's crazy. Sometimes I'm like,
I mean, my response will be cutthroat, but I'll know,
like there's never a time that I would just like
be mean, even if I hated the person or disagreed.
There's that's such a waste of time to just sit
there and type or just be ugly or I don't know,
it just like reflects who you are.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I love the song. All that to say, I'm not
glad that all happened to you, but I benefited by
them being mean to you on the internet because I
had a great song to listen to.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well. I mean, like literally everything you know has a reason,
and I think that if something positive can come out
of all that negativity and just people being hateful, this
is just my response to all of that. And there's
not anyone that I've ever known that hasn't been bullied
or hasn't felt like they're enough. Like, so that was
the whole purpose, was like this is for me. All
of my music that I put out is like to

(22:07):
make myself feel good and get that artistry out and
because I feel uncomfortable whenever I hold it all in,
but it really is to like to get it out
there and make people know that they're not alone and
feel in that way.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
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Speaker 2 (22:34):
I was a weird kid because I was a creative kid.
And when you're a creative kid, and luckily I was
a smart kid, but I was at a bad school,
so I wasn't cool if you're like the art kid,
the performing kid. And also I got really good grades,
Like yeah, I got the crap beat out of me
for those reasons, because there wasn't really a part of

(22:56):
my school that allowed, accepted or promoted that, Yeah, you
grew up in Oklahoma. I wouldn't again, I wouldn't say
that's like the mecca of Broadway. That's what a lot
of Broadway stars aren't coming from Oklahoma. Well, Chris and
chenaw with is, Yes, so were you accepted they'll being
a real artsy kid.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean I grew up man. I had so many
different friend groups. I had like friends that were in
like the robotics, class I have.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
It was on the robotics class.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, I mean I was at Tulsa Union. It was
a really big like sex huge football teams and like
we were in state like almost every year, and and
I was on the Palm squad. I was a part of.
I didn't do theater in within the school. I did
it outside because it was like a bigger situation at
theater arts. But I definitely had just different friends and

(23:47):
different friend groups, so I definitely did not and like
because Union was such a like healthy place where theater
kids were also pretty cool. I mean they're nerdy in
their own ways, but it wasn't like this like ugly thing.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Oh yeah, I was terribly nerdy. I was Danny Zuko
and Greece.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
If they were making fun of me, I just didn't
know about it.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Did they let me fists?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I really got told dang, that's awful. I got my
head stuck in the toilet.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
You got like old school bullied.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, but I'm also a little older school than you,
if we're just saying, but.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I mean that's like movie style bullied.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, definitely, it's great.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Like I didn't think that that really really, Like no
one I know that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, it happened. Yeah it sucked. But now I got
to be so funny because of it.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I mean everything has made me funnier.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I wouldn't trade it for anything. Yeah, I got my head.
I got picked up in the hallway and taken in.
What I remember is this is gross. They were taking
me in in our bathrooms. They didn't allow doors on
the stalls because it was a bad school. And I
say that I love my school, like I have pride
for it. Yeah, but bad. We took gang members kicked

(24:53):
out of other schools into our school. So when I
say bad, I don't mean like the people are bad.
It just the environment wasn't good. Yeah, and so there
were no doors on the bathroom stalls, and so they
were taking me to put my head in the toilet.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
What happened in the girls stalls too.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I didn't go in there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh I know, but like, what if y'all had to
do something else in there?

Speaker 2 (25:11):
But no, that's really you weren't allowed to because they
would rather you have to poop with no door, then
you go behind the stall and be up to something.
So they removed all the doors.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
My gosh, yeah, that is my worst nightmare.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
So they were picking me up to put me in,
and I look in the toilet's full of pee and
so I'm fighting back and slapping the handle so it flushes.
And as soon as it I knew I wasn't gonna
win forever. But as soon as it totally flushed, I
was like, all right, take me, and so they dump
me in. I went back to class with the wet
heead and you can't You also can't tell.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Then then what does the teacher say when you walk
in there with the toilet heead?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Well, I didn't say it was toilet heead. I said
I was fixing my hair, but I had water all
on my shirt collar too. I think, dude, I.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Think I would be such a snitch if that happened
to me. I'm not that cool.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, I didn't want it to happen again, but I,
you know, not the best environment. But we had plays
and I was on the plays and so I was
Danny Zuko johns Folda's part in Greece nice and I
loved it. Yeah, I just couldn't sing like I had
everything else. The charisma, yeah, you name it, and I
c plus at best, and it had so much charisma.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't think I've ever heard you sing.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I should check out a little something called Hobby Lobby Bobby.
One one of my better comedy.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Songs, Hobby Lobby. We've been talking about Hobby Lobby.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Oh my gosh, Oh so I wrote. Yeah, So I
have a song called Hobby Lobby Bobby. And I play
in a musical comedy group and I am the lead
singer of that group. But it's mostly about the comedy.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
That's why you like you Ain't Got to Dies because
of the comedy.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I think I like the theater of it, Yeah, more
than just a comedy of it. And I like the theater,
and I liked how non traditional it was in a
very traditional space. I liked playing it. And I have
a national radio show, obviously, but we don't play a
lot of music on the show. It's mostly us talking
for five hours. So we strategically have songs that we
play and I don't program the music, but I can
spike music if I want, and so I would play

(26:59):
your song and I would just see so many messages
like what is that? And I like that. I like
what is that for? If I'm doing something and if
I'm playing something, I like that that song hit like
a freaking wrecking ball. Yeah, And I think I saw
it first on Ella Langley's TikTok? Is that what launched
that whole song?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
It was Averyanna first and she started because we were
on upper next Stage Class of twenty twenty five together,
and so she just started making tiktoks to it, and
I was like seeing a quit, like an a just
a reflection of a spike just everywhere, and I was like,
I need to play into this. This is going to
be this could pop off in any kind of way
or just feed into what she's doing. And because she

(27:37):
was like making You never want to make your own trend,
but you as an artist kind of have to like
encourage people. But she was like making the trend and
it was spiking. And then Ella did hers, and that
just like blew it out of the water.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Because all this the finger quote stuff was happening. Yeah,
all the disc it was Riley and l and people
were wondering and Oh, I'm.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Like, happily feed me into this whatever drama that is
not even real or not, I don't know, just like
just help me.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Do people sing that song really loud when you play
it shows.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Oh my gosh. I after that went viral. I went
on tour with White Flores and it was the loudest
and like opening shows and stuff, you don't always people
don't always know who you are. They're not singing back
to you. And I knew whenever I got to that song, like,
I was excited to see the reaction because people are talking.

(28:26):
It's a social event. And when I got to that chorus,
man phones shot up. It was the first time that
I'd seen that for my own, for my own song.
To just see just like a wall of phones go
up and.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Just keep screaming. It's so cool.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's so cool, and it feels so good that it's
a you don't get to choose your viral moment. You know,
it could just have been me doing something crazy or stupid,
or a song that you know doesn't like reflect me
as a human. I guess. I mean that song is
me to my core. It's country as all hell, there's
fiddle on it, there's like I mean, there's this message

(29:04):
of standing up for yourself and writing off someone in
your life that's toxic, or there's this like southern aspect
to it. And I just I'm so glad that that
is the song that like shot into outer space.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I think that would be such a cool moment the
first time everybody knows your song.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, they might not know me, but they know that
that blurb.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
For me, I was touring a bunch. I did a special,
a comedy special, and CMT bought it and it was
great and it was fun. And then I was like,
I'm not on the road anymore. It was too much.
I was working, still am working every day doing all
these podcasts, but I didn't want to tour any more
because I was exhausted because I would work five days
and then be on the road three that's eight days.
But one of the days I'd be doing both the

(29:45):
show and I would be out. And there have been
a couple of times, and the opera is always really
cool if this happens, but where I would tell a
joke and the people would laugh and then go into applause. Yeah,
it's just like you can't even it's like a dru.
I have even done a drug, but it's like, I
think that's what I think. That's what heroin is.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Is this an opiate?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yes, It's like, do you hate it's like your tangles
inside of your body. I just feel like that's what
it feel like when everybody knows your song, everybody pulls
out their phone to do that. On my show, I
played your version of Tulsa time.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Again, I'm not trying to just build you up here.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I love that song anyway, the original Yeah, obviously Keith
recently Yes, yeah, and so there's a lot to live
up to with that. Yeah, I think you crushed it.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Thank you. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Why did you record that one? Because of Tulsa? And
it made sense pretty much.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I mean, they're all songs on the sessions. It had
been songs that we'd played on the Roadrunner tour for
probably the last year and a half or so, and
those songs we just have so much fun with and
I just every we did red Wine super Nova by
Chapel Roan, we did, we did Tulsa Time, we did
the Middle, we did Sydwagon by The Chicks, and they're
all songs that I'd wish that I had written and

(31:00):
that we just love to play live. And I was like,
we need to deliver this so that they can have
like a portion a piece of the road Owner Tour
to come home with, and those were the covers that
we kind of rotated. And now people are asking if
I'm a cover band. I'm like, no, I've got three
albums of original songs.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
But I think that would annoy me just a little bit.
But I'd have to, like I talked to myself about
the earlier stuff, like yep, I got to tell myself
again they don't they.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Don't know how Yeah, that's not for them. Yeah, but
so I did Tulsa Time from Tulsa Love Don Williams,
love all of his music, and I just wanted again
to like change the tempo to to fit my vibe
because I definitely sped it up and just wanted to
feel a little bit more fiery. And band loves playing it.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, what happened? Did you talked to labels? Did you?
Did you sign anywhere?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I signed with Republic Records.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's a real one.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's a that's a real label. One that's not like
someone it's.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Not Caitlin but sink. Sometimes it's not someone's I kind
of know, how did you decide who to sign with?
Or even now because the environment is so different, you
don't have to sign it's definitely a different hustle.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
If you don't why, I mean it was. I think
I needed more. I have such a great team, but
we're very small. It's really just me and a couple
people that run everything for me. And I've done the
smaller label thing, and I think I just really wanted

(32:25):
some fire. I really wanted to I as a country
female artist, like wanted some just wanted to give it
a go. I'd never done it before, never been asked,
and I had like over a dozen labels reach out
after you Ain't Got to Die?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Wow, did it feel weird to be wanted? After?

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Oh? To be wanted? It didn't feel weird. It felt
really awesome because for the first time I really felt
I used to think when I was like twenty two
or twenty three, like I'm ready, you know, like put
me on wherever. And I've been doing this for a
long time, and I truly feel like I'm ready for
you can put me anywhere. That's how I feel now.
And I feel really confident, confident in whatever stage I'm

(33:06):
in or or like not even in a musical setting,
like talking in an interview. I feel pretty confident, confident
in who I am and what I have to say,
like I know, I can entertain, and so I feel
really happy that it happened when it did because I
truly feel ready for it. And so when it came
to picking I it was really hard.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
How did you know who was telling you what they
wanted to tell you? Yeah, versus what you the truth?

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I think it was hard. I mean, you can feel
really giddy about people because they see something in you,
and you can kind of be dangled here. Lots of
flattery goes on and lots of great ideas too. I
mean they're great teams. It just kind of felt there

(33:52):
was one deciding factor. I mean a couple really, but
I already knew Mary Catherine, who they just put her
in charge of Nashville at Republic and she's signed Marcus
King and others that I really love, and I've always
had a good relationship with her. And she sought me
out just and told everyone about me before she could
even benefit from it, from probably like five six years ago,

(34:15):
and was like, I'm obsessed with Katelyn Butts. And she
would showed me a text the day that we signed
that it was before she had any reason to care
about what I was doing. She had sent sent like
several people, Caitlin Butts is a star and she's going
to be huge one day, so that was really cool,
and just someone who I really believed in and the
whole team, especially someone like Roppo who's over there at Republic.

(34:37):
I always try to determine how I feel about a person,
no matter who it is, based off of how I
act around them, and I felt like, if I'm acting
as my true, authentic self, that's how I kind of
determined my what I think about them, if that makes sense.
If I'm over inflating my ego or trying to convince

(34:59):
them but I'm this person, or I'm shrinking myself or
being quiet or not saying the funny thing that comes
to my head, I obviously feel a certain way about
that person. And so after reflecting after those label meetings,
I was like, I've felt like I could say, I
felt like my true self when I left, Like I
left being me and I didn't feel like I was

(35:21):
trying to convince them that I was something or I
was trying to, I don't know, be too humble or whatever.
I've felt like myself when I left, and that's who
I want to work with. And yeah, that's why I
signed with them.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's a good point. It's not just how they are, Yeah,
it's how you are when you're with them. I think
that's also in relationships.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Oh totally. I mean every relationship that I've ever had,
business or not. It's like that's something a tool that
I've found, like do I do I actually like this person?
Why am I trying to convince them to like me?
Like that's something that I've had to really reflect on,
just doing business with anyone or just not or just
a relationship wise too.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
My wife's from Tulsa, right near Tulsa.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
And I forget that. That's so cool.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, her favorite movies is Oklahoma. I'd never seen it
until now, well until she made me watch it. We
did a thing where we watched it when we were dating. Yeah,
we've now been married for almost five years. But when
we first started, and it was also because we dated
for a bit and then COVID hit and we moved
in and at first we were just going to just
stay with each other during COVID. It'll be over in

(36:28):
a couple of weeks. It wasn't over in a couple
of weeks, right, Yeah, And so we would just watch movies.
And so we did the thing where we watched each
other's favorite movies. And I had her watch Man on
the Moon, which is about Andy Kaufman. Jim Carrey plays
Andy Coffman. He's like my favorite performer ever.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
I think I've seen that.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's amazing. Yeah, and she had me watch Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I didn't know some of those songs were from Oklahoma,
for you know, oh what a Beautiful Morning. Oh. I
had no idea that was from Oklahoma. Yeah. But also
there's so many references like in pop culture that come
from real that I never realized. I just knew them
as they were. And I thought it was good. The
dream scene. They should cut that.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Aesthetically. Aesthetically, it could definitely be sped up.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I agree, way too long. Always not a big dream
scene guy, anyway, because I thought it waste of time.
I don't even know your dreams. I don't even want
to know my friend's dreams, much less people in a movie.
I thought it's symbolism, yeah, yeah, a little too much,
a little too heavy on the symbol. Other than that,
I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, because you don't
like black and white stuff.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, well, it's not black and white.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I'm colorblind, But is it not black and white? No,
I'm not that color like Wizard of Oz. Maybe maybe
you are color blind, it's not the dream sequence is
black and white.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
No, it's definitely not it like goes. Are you sure
there's a glimpse of it that might be black and white?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
I know for a fact part of that thing is
black and white. And I say, for a fact, but
I am also extremely colorblind, but not so color blind.
I can't see those colors.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's not there's no I've watched it one million times, Bob,
I know you're right.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I mean that's my wife, she says, maybe she just
gave me a bad version. Yeah, I'm not seeing any
black and not even.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
The dream the most colorful like scene in the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Anyway, I still think it's supid, the dream sequence. I
did like the movie. And one of our friends, like
one of my closest friends is the singer Bret Eldridge,
and he was in Oklahoma when he was in high school,
and he performs that at my wife's birthday every year.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Wait.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, yeah, and there's a whole beginning part of it.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, there's a bride. Golden hayes on the meadow.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
That's it. There's a bright golden hay That's awesome. Yeah yeah,
And so he does that every year at our birthday.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
And give me any song.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, what's the second most famous song in that movie?

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I would say, Oh, Oklahoma where the wind comes up
and down the plane?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, did you know that? At the end, always tell
my wife they all moved to Arkansas to get a
better life.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
That is so not true.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Where do you think they're moving at the end, you
tell me, because it's not so.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
They're moving to Claremore or Kansas City. They want to
go to Kansas City. I went to Kansas City on Friday.
They're like, they're like going up to the big city.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I think it's Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Well, agree to disagree.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Did you ever go to Arkansas or anything for nothing?
The mall, for its met or anything. No.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
And I've been begged to tour there, and I just
I've never. I don't think I've ever played a show
in Arkansas. Maybe once, maybe not. Fan I don't think
I have. I have, I don't know. I don't know
where I've been.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
You weren't an Oklaholma. You weren't an alcohol my top,
I got top.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
He is top, he's a top. I can tell.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Okay, I'm here, I'm here, I'm on my feet right now. Uh.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Did I just fluster Bobby Bones?

Speaker 2 (39:45):
No, there's there's about four four jokes and I decided
to pull all four of them back and just living.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, just living it.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
So when are you releasing new Caitlin Butt's music.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
I have written now four songs for the next album,
and the goal is and labels like, uh, now would
be a great time if you have the songs and
obviously that that's what labels want and people fands want.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Have you recorded which just written now?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
No, I've Yeah, they're just like in my brain. At
this point, I need to go right that's my whole assignment.
But as soon as possible, as soon as I can.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Your husband's also in a band?

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, I think. So.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
How's that going?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's going good?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Which part, the husband of the band part?

Speaker 1 (40:46):
All of it? Yeah, I mean they do really well.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
They do. Do you want to talk about that? I
don't want to make it about it. Of course, your
husband is Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
He's a Cludic Cordero flatline Cavalry.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
And they're doing pretty good.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Do you guys get to see each other?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
We do sometimes.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Is it like a Tuesday Wednesday? Those are the days
you see it.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
It's like Sunday through Wednesday sometimes. But I mean sometimes
I'm off and he is not off, or vice versa.
Or we'll meet each other, like we've had airport dates
before where he's going out of Austin and I'm coming
in and I've got to go somewhere else, and we
just have always made it work that way. It's definitely
not easy and it's definitely not fun sometimes.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
How long he has been married.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Five years but together ten?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Oh wow, you weregather five years before we got married. Yeah,
that's quite the long. Yeah, what's up, buddy? I know, Cooper,
get off the pot, That's what I say.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I mean, I I think it was. I don't know
it really was. That is a long, you know, time
to date. I mean, but the thing is, like I
look back in our dating and he was already sending
me rings like to that he wanted to buy, like
six months into it, and so it was never like
a I don't know, it just didn't feel like we were.

(41:55):
We were in different areas of our I mean, he
lived in Lubbock at the time. I lived in Ardmore, Oakama.
And then we moved together. No, I live. I moved
here in twenty nine I started so I was traveling
here probably starting in twenty sixteen when we started dating.
I'd come here once every month or every couple of months,

(42:15):
and we were just both kind of doing our own thing.
And then in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, I moved here.
I left. We had moved in together into fort Worth,
and then I was like, you tour, I have a
publishing deal in Nashville. I'm going to go rent, go
get a couple of roommates and live in Nashville. You
can stay in fort Worth. And then COVID happened, and

(42:36):
then we both moved into my mother's house in Ardmore, Oklahoma,
and then moved back here in twenty twenty one and
bought a house.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
How do you like it here?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I love it. Like I'm trying to convince everyone that
I know to move here. My mom's going to retire
at the end of this year and come moving with us.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
How about we keep them out?

Speaker 1 (42:53):
But there's so many cool Oky's that I'm maybe okay,
here's the thing we need less like maybe West Coast
and more like actual like Okies.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Maybe fair enough. Favorite Oklahoma band ever.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Band ever turn Pitriy Badoers, you.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Know with those guys. They came and played my rhyme
and show too, and it was super fun. My wife
is a massive fan of them because she's from right
near Talaquah, which is where they're all from. And they
were so surprised. The even knew how to say that
town's name. And I'm like, say it. We go to
the pizza place there. I think Carrie used to work
at the pizza place.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
And will you ever float there?

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I don't. I don't float. I don't like to have
my I never liked to have my shirt off. I
don't float now. I don't float.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
I'm Bobby Bones and I don't float.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Thank you all to this message paid for by Bobby Bones.
Should I'm not a big floater. It's not a big
water guy.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
You got the perfect hat to float right now.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
I just got the hat from Landman, though, so if
I would have had it previously, maybe I don't like
to get wet, just generally.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Bobby Bones doesn't like to get wet.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Unless they're like soap. I don't really see the need
to get wet.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I mean, you know, you can float to be wet.
You can just be in a tube that doesn't that floats.
And drink In't it?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Okay? Two things. One, I've never had drink of alcohol.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
You are pale, so you guys. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I was in the middle of like telling you why
you took a shot.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
So I am a redhead. I am more pale than.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
You, but you have red hair, yeah, which would make sense.
I don't even like the beach.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Something's wrong with you.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I we didn't have a beach in Arkansas, and we
never went on vacation.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Would Why would anyone from Oklahoma be like, I'm gonna
go where there's not a beach. We have plenty of
beaches in Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
No, those aren't beaches.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
There's such beaches.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Those are called creeks. Lake you falla, Yeah, I've been.
We stayed at Christmas on likeke you falla really. Yeah,
we went and got a house and all because all
of our famis fm Oklahoma, so we went and stayed.
I'm very much you're kind of oky yeah, a little bit.
And my wife's a massive Oklahoma football fan, and I'm
obviously a massive Arkansas fan, and you guys are way
better than us, and it's so annoying.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I'm sure. Did she like, oh you're a OSU?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Oh you okay? Okay ho, Yeah, that's why she likes this.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, so she's very Oklahoma. And we did buy a
house in Arkansas though, yeah, which was right on the line. Okay,
so turn by, she got me into that. I was
way late. So I'm not cool by any means when
it comes to that. But I'm a big fan now.
I just don't say that a lot because I'm not
an og big fan and I feel like people will
question me. I can't say, well, only started liking them

(45:26):
two years ago, but even their music from you know,
a decade ago, and those guys, when I was talking
to them, they felt a bit surprised that they had
kind of popped off doing the same exact thing, like
they didn't change. Yeah, no, they just took a.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Break, but those boys will not change.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
They came back and they just kept going and it
was like, how are we here? We haven't done anything different,
And all of a sudden we're getting you know, we're
playing these way bigger shows and new parts of America.
It was super cool. Really love those guys. Give me
another Oklahoma artist.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Man, I love so man.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
There's so many Yeah, I know read it.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
I literally I mean Reba.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I don't go to your phone. This is from heart
only God, because I can do. I'll do Arkansas, John Can.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I tell you like artists that are like kind of
that are new, that like.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
You didn't mind. There are no rules not to lose
the game. I'm not taking your skylarsh of.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I love a girl named Ken Pomeroy. She's one of
my good friends and I took her on tour last
year and she's really really talented and she's very folky
and mayer Conna, but she her voice is like unmatched
and she's so good. I love Parker millsap. I love
John Morland, I love Oh my God, I love.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Kars There is all Oklahoma people, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
These are all. I love Camille Hart, I love Kirsten.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Why he was name of cousins now.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
I feel like cousins. I love Samantha Cranes music. I
love Oh my God. I love Wink Bertram's music.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I love.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Oh my god, John Calvin. There's just so many talented
people there that like live and exists there, and there's
so much talent in Oklahoma, and I was kind of
like the person that was put there, or like even
like Cody Canada. Damn, Cody Canada. I love Cody Canada.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Which not the first CCR?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
The second?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, the second one.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Do you know the first?

Speaker 1 (47:15):
I I've got to say, I.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Do you know the first CCR?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
I love Cody?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Do you know the first CCR?

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, what's the for you choose me or
for accuse me?

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Take your loose? Yeah? Why are you singing that? Because
that's CCR see right behind you, John Fogerty, it's my friends.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, thanks for being impressed.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, that's his real signature.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
He's got some big lips.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
He's older now. I think his lips of shrank good
for him.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, lots of girls would kill for those lips.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
He can still go. He's like eighty two? Is he eighty?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Mike?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
He can still sing like crazy. I was worried because
anybody eighty, I feel like I'm gonna break. It's like
a baby an eighty year old or a baby. I
feel like I'm gonna break on and he came in
and definitely, but man, he has a lot of energy.
Yeah and still really great singer. Well, I'm glad you
came over and God, we.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Got to do this to thank you for asking me.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Are you are you happy?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
It's most days, every twenty eight days though, Just pray
for me same.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I've been doing sympathy paints. I tell my wife I
get her sympathy pains.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
She's pregnant, and you're like and she's like, plea over.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, you're gonna piss me off because I'll go, Oh,
I don't feel very good. My back hurts. She once
she doesn't want to hear that she's pregnant.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, can I tell you a tip that I saw
on TikTok to come behind?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I didn't say yes, I didn't say you did it.
Now I'm just looking. I'm deciding if I want to
hear it not hold on. You said I said nothing
my wife is pregnant, But then you said can I
tell you a tip? And I did not raise it.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yes, Well I don't care, so come up behind her.
How pregnant is she?

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Very?

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Okay? So come up behind her and like, lift the belly.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I'm already elbowed in the face.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
No, no, it's gonna relieve the weight of it. So
you pull up her belly and just give her the relief.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
If I surprise her by grabbing her belly from the back,
she's going to elbow me in the face.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
You're her husband.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
You should which is why she'll elbow me in the face.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
You should just let her and then then she'll ease
into it. Tell her that I told you to do
it or TikTok tip.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
A TikTok tip from Caitlin, but said I should come
up behind you when you're not looking and grab your belly, just.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Lift it, like to relieve pressure. Do you not touch
your wife?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Less?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Now, don't to his wife doesn't like to get wet
far less.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, she's very pregnant. Nice, we're gonna have a kid.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
How exciting?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Crazy? Crazy?

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Do you know if it's a boy or girl?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
We don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Oh my god, are you waiting?

Speaker 4 (49:49):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Actually you want to know the truth. Yeah, we do know.
I just say that because my wife will say because
she has no problem with I don't mind awkward. I
like awkward, but I don't want to have to make
the conversation continue longer than I want. So people you
know what it is, and I'll go, nah, we're just
waiting to find out.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
And you were about to do that to me.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I was, yeah, but I know what it is. But
we're just not telling anybody, or we told like a
select We've told a select few people. And if I
said this, well, we've only told like ten percent of
our friends, and those are the friends we like the most.
And you don't make that ten percent. You shouldn't say
that right then there's a whole different feeling about the
whole conversation. So we do know, we're just not telling

(50:29):
some people.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
The internet in Netflix, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
But yeah, it's pretty crazy. I didn't have a dad, so,
like I have weirdness about dar.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
If there's anyone that is a dad, Me and Bobby
are in the market for new dads.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Okay we are, I'm too old. I'm good you she'd
still like a dad for you out there, she'd still
like a dad. My dad's alive with a boat. Is
your dad alive? You're really?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah? He's dead to me?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
No, I know, I know. That's why but he has
a lot of life because my real dad is alive.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I don't call him my dad, but he's dead to
me too.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yeah. In the market, if anyone has.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
A boat, I'll just take it. Did you ever have
a stepdad?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:11):
I had a stepdad for a while. He was awesome.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Okay, that's good, that's sweet.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I had a papa. He was felt like, is that
a grandpa?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Is that your biological grandpa?

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Well?

Speaker 1 (51:19):
No, so it was my he would be so pretty.
My mom's dad passed when she was twenty one, and
then my papa and grandma, their spouses were both simultaneously
passing away in the hospital at the same time, and
they became close. Wow, and then got married afterwards.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
And so that was my papa that I you know,
I didn't never knew anything else.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
A couple final questions. Do you consider Oklahoma the South?

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I do. I know a lot of people don't.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
But if you go there, my wife doesn't.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
That's crazy. I mean, you got to go to southern
Oklahoma maybe to see some south, but it is south
to me. It's wild.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
There's definitely parts where it feels like Arkansas, but also
there's such a strong Native American presence there.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
And she's also like, we weren't the Confederacy, like we
didn't lose the war.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, that's true, but I guess but I wouldn't determine
the South as like the Confederacy. I would just be
like Southern people.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
But either though, because I'll try any way to lump
her in with us.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, and that's how. But I feel like as an
ident like that is something that Oklahoma like struggles with,
is like the identity of what it is.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
And but it's like every Midwest.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
No, it's every it's everything.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Not Southern. It's not really in the southern part of America.
That handle though that you guys have some bad stuff
used to happen there. Yeah, the Panhandle.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Everywhere there was bad stuff happens everywhere.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
No, but this was like there were no rules, no laws. Yeah,
it was like international waters. You just go to the
Panhandle and do whatever you want, get wet, be a top.
There were no rules.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
There are no rules. Did you know that Oklahoma is
the most like diverse like terrain in like the states.
We have a desert, we have lakes, we have mountains. Yeah,
and there's like a it's a place called the Little Sahara.
We've got so many different We've got lakes, mountains.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
You listed to rivers, like sand dunes.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I mean, does Texas have like actual sand dunes?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
So let's take a quick pause for a message from
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Speaker 2 (53:42):
And we're back on the Bobby Cast. Do you like Texas?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, it's fine, right, it's great, It's huge. Yeah, I
love Texas. I like I like touring there because they
are the most enthusiastic, like Lee country people ever.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
They love.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
They have an idea that's the they you know a
Texan because they'll let you know that identity.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
They have beer named after them, they do, they have
music named after them.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I feel like Oklahoma gets a little jealous of that.
But because we're just not we're not Midwest, I don't.
We don't make tater Talk cast rolls, but we make
cast roles.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
But there's lots of other chicken.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Charlie's chicken. Oh my god, don't get me seople dar.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
I spend a lot of time in Oklahoma, and they're like,
what's your favorite part Charlie's Chicken? That is it?

Speaker 1 (54:27):
If you have you sparked a whole childhood memory. Well,
I can taste that.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
There aren't other Charlie's chickens. There's none here, none but
Charlie's Chicken A plus and Oklahoma. Yeah, let me go
two more questions. When you were in junior high would
you want to be when you grew up?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I had different careers that I wanted to be. I
always love performing. It was truly the only thing that
I'm like so naturally just good at and love doing,
like something that is cathartic in me. I wanted to
be a party planner because that seemed fun. I wanted
to be an designer. I like to decorate my spaces.

(55:03):
I thought I was going to go to college for that,
but I got a really small scholarship to a music
school in Oklahoma City, acm at UCO that kind of
do what to sing to sing? Yeah, vocal performance, that's cool. Yeah,
I got my associate's degree. It was like the School
of Rock, but I was like the only country person
doing anything country there because the Flaming Lips manager was

(55:24):
the CEO is the CEO of the school there, and
so so rock and roll themed, and but I was
like the country girl there from Tulsa.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Did you think you would do country music? Was that
ever a part of your Not?

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Not when I was little, but fifteen, like, I wanted
to play guitar and sing and I love I knew
I loved to do that. But the great thing about
what I do now is I kind of do a
lot of those things. Like I party plan, I like
create events that and curate them, and I interior decorate
for like my set and stuff like that. I just

(55:57):
get to be creative. I knew I wanted to be creative.
I knew I wanted to be in an environment that
was fun. And this is like kind of all of
those things into into one.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Can you draw?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Hell No, I can't.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Draw, really I can.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I I can make lots of clawses on my iPad
and tell graphic designers what to do. I have lots
of vision, but I know I can't. Can I paint,
I mean I can, It's not it's not good. I
can do an I could do a sky colors.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
A sky, Yeah, I just do blue. I could do that,
do clouds on it.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I could my one of my things I want to
do during the spread.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
By doing a sky. That's the one thing we know.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
I'm telling you I can't. That's all. That's the extent
of it. I could do. I really want to do
like the Bob Ross thing where you like eat an
edible and then you watch Bob Ross and try to
do his like his painting.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Is that called the Bob Ross thing? I thought you
were going to say the Bob Ross thing paint. I
didn't know it was get high and watch him then
try to paint that.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
That's my Bob Ross thing. I don't know if that's
a universal thing, but it's my thing that I want
to do. I want to eat some edibles.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I feel like you could do that anytime.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, some Howdy Delta nine ones that are legal in Tennessee.
And have you heard of Howdy? By the way, how
doy do you do edibles? Ad Blaze? No, you can't
say no, you're a father, he's a father.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
No. No, No, I've done nothing. I've not I've never had
a drink of alcohol. I've never had a drug. I've
never done any I'm as straight edge as you can be.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Oh my gosh, I feel pretty straight edged. Like I've
never been offered like hard drugs before in my life.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
And I don't know what I want to do stuff.
Oh my god, well I'm not anti the stuff I
just have.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I've never Bones who wants to do stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I want to do. I have so many graphics from
this we can just put up Bobby Bones doesn't want
to be wet.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah, no, I've never The only time I've ever been
high and is one of the greatest moments in my
life in the dentist chair.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I guess it was on the opry they all clapped
at your joke and you're.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Like, yep, that is one. That's heroin. Yeah, I guess
messed up in the dinnist Did you love it? I
love for the first time you're laughing, But I really
got so high off the laughing gas.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
That you saw Jesus Like Noah, Cyrus says, I was floating.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
This is not a joke. I was floating. Everything around
me was black except for the occasional star, and I
remember thinking to myself, WHOA life is all about relationships?
And I had this moment of clarity. I was so fulfilled.
I was so happy. I couldn't fill my lips.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
That's the whole point. And like an audience milkshake afterwards,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I don't remember. I think my wife had to drive
me home because it was it was obviously an intense surgery,
intense for you. But I remember coming to and being disappointed.
I was coming to oh Man, they were playing music
on the I felt that in a little speaker beside
the dental chair, and the music start. I started to
hear the music through space, and I slowly started crackling

(59:01):
away from my space, and the music kept getting I
could tell what the song was.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
It was.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I think it was Lifehouse Wow. And then I came
out of it. It was the greatest.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
So your experience with dental uh juice is my experience
with like mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Or weed, and it's your Thursday night.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
No, I I really I I don't do it very
often because if I do it too often, it definitely
like kind of makes me in a lower head space.
I don't. I don't drink very often. I I have
never done anything hard in that way.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
I'd love to do hard drugs.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I mean, I know some people that I would do
it too.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I would just I'd be the best at I try
to win.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Do you feel offended that you tried to win?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Try to win? Yeah, try to be the best. I
would try to.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
That's scary, But like, do you ever feel if you
haven't been offered them? Do you feel like a little
bit offended? Because I feel a little offended. I'm like,
what is it about me? Is it a good thing
that I haven't been offered hard drugs before? I've been
offered weed a lot so Canada jar the other day
at the merch table. I'm like Jesus Christ. So now
we're in California, but put this down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
In your mind. The cooler you are, the heart of
the drugs you get offered.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I maybe I don't know. I'm sure. I think it's
a vibe that I put off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I think that maybe I'm your vibe to me would
be a little whiskey, little weed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Well am I or like cocktail? I'm like a gin person.
But like I maybe they maybe I am like too
hyper and they're like, they don't she doesn't need any
more uppers. Yeah, so we need her down horizontal preferably
and shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
And then now like people talk about heroin, though it
seems I could be the greatest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I mean, I've heard that black tar heroin is the greatest,
or meth, you know, it's really great, you know, and
then it's really really not Caitlin but's meth is the greatest,
but really really not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Well, I'm a fan, I really am. I'm a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I think you're super talented. I think more so than talented,
I think you work extremely hard. I think that's very
evident by how long you've been doing what you're doing.
And it's really cool to watch it grow now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
So I'm a genuine fan. I hope you know that.
I'm not just no.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
I feel that and I really really do appreciate it.
I can't tell you how many years it's My mom
and I after our first interview and I'm like calling
her all the way home and stuff. She's like, isn't
it so crazy that someone that we've watched for so
long and like I knew that, they're like liking you
and seeking you out. And it's kind of across the

(01:01:42):
board with a lot of people who I'm working with
now and who I call friends, like Elizabeth Cook or
Angelina Pressley or even Miranda Lambert texted me the other day,
found my number through John Randall and like sought me out,
and it's like all these people that I've watched and
looked up to for a long time, like yourself, and
just been, you know, hoping that one day, like our
past cross in a natural, organic way where I'm not

(01:02:03):
like a fan or like trying to get in your seat, Like,
it's so cool that you've come across this in a
really cool way in an.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Marketing you love it. You've never been like me, Bobby Bones.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
But it just feels so good. It feels so good
to be wanted. And thank you for like blasting my
music everywhere. I really like it makes a difference and
I can see an actual spike every time that you
say anything. So thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Well, whenever you have the new stuff, let me know.
I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I'll like send you a work tape from my phone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I know that's a nice thing to say, but I
would never listen to it. Why because then I wouldn't
think that our version of friendship that we have is real,
because as soon as somebody real, because you would be
sending it. This is my mind. This is the last
thing I'm gonna say. Okay, I never listened to music
from and this is my last question from anybody ahead

(01:02:55):
of time, because I'm really scared that people only want
to be my friend because I can do things for them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Yeah, that and what a what an awful feeling that is.
And I hate that I feel that way sometimes and
I'm not even in any kind of like power position,
but like I've felt that way, even being like Kleto's wife.
Sometimes it just feels you really start to wonder things
like that, and I think it sucks, Like I've I've

(01:03:24):
felt this weird thing about like even paying like my
friends to work with me, and it's such a weird
dynamic and you wonder like are they being nice to
me because I pay them or you know, it's there's
such there's so many weird dynamics.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
I said, it's all my friends work for me, now
I know, but weird.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Weird feeling. It is a weird feeling as a as
a person doing it, and you just hope that the
dynamic doesn't get weird or anything like that. I don't know,
but I I understand, surely. But yeah, I just know
that it's all it's all authentic and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Well, thank you for coming. Yeah, and don't call me Sharley,
all right, there she is Caitlin Bites

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Everybody, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.