#586 - The Band Perry on Their Return, Eloping in Vegas & Reality of Parenthood

The Band Perry sits down with Bobby to talk about returning for a new chapter, why the timing finally felt right, and how this version of the band feels different from the first run. Kimberly opens up about protecting what they built, finding the right sound for “season two,” and what they’ve learned since their early days as the “kids” of country music. They also share the story of meeting in 2020, eloping in Vegas just eight months later, and what it’s like making life and music work as a married couple. Plus, they talk about becoming parents, how having a baby changed their routine and perspective, and why this next chapter feels more grounded both onstage and off.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
The day I met him at Brynch.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
We all went thrifting after in Dallas to these thrift
stores and there was a band Perry t shirt hanging
on the rack. He did not know the band Perry.
He did not know a little song called It by
a Young any of it.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hey, everybody, Bobby Bones here on the Bobby Cast. Today
we have the band Perry. They've won Grammy CMA's ACM Awards.
Their song If I Die Young Exploded back in the
day was a number one country song, also a massive
pop song. Now, the original band Perry was made up
of Kimberly and her brothers Reed and Neil. They went
away for like nine years. Now they're back, sort of

(00:42):
in season two. I mean, the band Perry is back,
but it's her and her husband now. Now they got
a new song called Psychological. They're out on the Psycho
Rodeo tour right now. A new era, a new lineup,
a new chapter, a new just a lot of news.
Here's my conversation with Kimberly Perry and Johnny Costello the band.
Good to see you, guys. I would like to say

(01:03):
to your face is what I've said to not your faces.
I think it pulled off the greatest coup ever. And
I don't know if it got to you either strategically
or not strategically. This was the greatest coup. And I
want to explain myself. You were in the band Parry
with the two brothers that was vanm Pariy, and you
guys are massive. It's kind of hard to be the

(01:26):
band Pari without your brothers. So you come back, you
your brother and your husband yep, and then you drop
your brother. Now that's the whole. And I was like,
that's the most strategic, beautiful launch back to the band
Parry ever because obviously you want to tour under the
Van Parry totally. So was that if it was on purpose?
Oh my god, genius level like chest and Checkers.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I wish I could claim that because maybe it would
issure drop security forever and ever. But no, it just
happened the way that it happened. I mean we chatted
last time during my solo era, which was really special.
I mean I was pregnant, I had my son shortly
after that project came out. It did not feel authentic
to me to play Bam Parry songs live under the

(02:08):
solo artist banner and Also, I just missed the hell
out of playing with family on stage. Whoever that family
ended up becoming. But no, not strategic, but just follow me.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Okay, cause again, and I saw this with Gary Lavaux
when he was touring solo, even though he was the guy.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, it's different, it's totally different.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
You can be doing it written every song. Kimberly Perry
and the band Perry are two different sellable and.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yes, thank you for understanding. Totally.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
So I mean that's complimentary as possible.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
By the way, Yeah, totally I get it.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
So whenever you guys came back and it was one
brother and by the way, your hair being blonde, just
looked like you were part of it was it was.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I think some people have called me and I'm like, no,
I'm Johnny.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, we've had to be.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Real careful of like telling the story that this is
my husband and baby daddy, but he is new to
the band. This is not like, this is not a
brother that situation, because you did share that, it's been
a little tricky.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
So I just want to say that loud and clear.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
He's not your brother. Also, it's not my brother too. Well,
had the strategy been to get one of your brothers
to jump in for a little bit so you could
be mostly the old vampire and then drop him. I
thought it was genius.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, you know when we took a break in twenty
twenty two and I was like that we all need
like a minute.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
We'd been on the road since I.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Was fifteen, Reid was ten, Meal was eight at our
first show, and it's like their entire childhood, my young
adulthood went to the band Perry and that was so special.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I mean it was magical.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
We say this all the time, like Season one happened
and it was beautiful. But in twenty twenty two, you know,
we had been through so many changes at that point,
creatively otherwise, lots of things that people didn't see, and
it was like, we need a spiritual health break, We
need a mental health break. This cannot keep touring without
just a hot minute to pause.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
And then we.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Just made this agreement there that if we're ever going
to come back and turn the lights on, it has
to be an inal option and from everybody, we'll see
where we're at at that point, and you know, timing
plays into season two and how you're seeing it now.
Both of my brothers are married. Like everybody, we were
the perpetual kids of country music.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
It was like, Oh, there's the kids, there's our kids.
But it was just a cool moment out of the
spotlight to grow up a little bit and everybody live
where they want to live and who they want to
live with. And timing was a part of it. I myself,
because I did get to do the solo moment. I
just was like, I'm chomping at the bit. I have
the energy to rebuild this. We are not going out

(04:36):
this way. We are not letting it just end with
where season one, the disappearance of the band Perry, I
couldn't live with that. Thank God, I'm married a guitar
player who can keep the family band alive with me.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Indulge me. What three questions do you get asked the most,
and then answer them so we can move beyond that.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Number one, like, where are your brothers?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Where are they?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
They live in California, both of them married. Reid lives
in Joshua Tree with the scorpions and the snakes. He
and his wife are raising five wild mustangs. That's a
big question. Another one is what is different about season
two from season one?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
And what's going to remain the same.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
What's the different?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
You can answer, do you want me to keep going?

Speaker 4 (05:21):
No?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Answer it? Though, yeah, you answer it.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It's very important to me that the nostalgic feelings that
brought us to the country music dance in the first
place remain in this era. Dan Huff is producing our
album he recorded Pioneer. That's very like intentional to make
sure that we have through lines. But country music is
more exciting than it's ever been since I've been a.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Part of it.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Like, there's so many bold artists and bold song statements happening,
and we want to contribute to that. Hince our first song.
I think those are the top two questions. And how
is it working with your husband?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
How's it working with you?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
How is it, babe? Work out with your wife?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Wonderful?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Never been better.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think I think we play very different roles.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
I think I'm what you call OCD, so like all
my cases on the road half cases. I'm always trying
to organize all of our road life on the road.
And Kimberly is the creative and always been the voice
behind TVP. So I think I'm just here to one
learn the catalog. I come from a rock background where
I'm like, this is commercial country southern rock. Like there
is such an element of like when TVP kind of

(06:21):
transition to larger venues outside festivals, larger arena tours with
Tim McGraw, like you started to see Dan Huff take
the music and go more. Hey, let's have some like chainsaws.
I'm done better dig two. I think that's where my
music taste in my music history align a lot with
So it's been really fun to just be like, these
songs are killer, like I want to play them, and
then the stuff we've been writing recording is awesome.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Was your here always that blonde?

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I wasn't going to die to match the band Perry's blonde.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Oh no, No, I.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Can show you evidence, and I mean I'll leave you.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I met Johnny in October of twenty twenty in Dallas
because I Reneil and I were working on some music
down there, and I just immediately fell in love with him.
And I can tell you he was that blonde, but
he used to he was not wearing leather as much.
Then you were wearing car heart overalls without T shirts.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Where are you from?

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Grip? In Dallas, Texas? Yeah, but mostly like Germany. Heidelberg
moved to Texas and then kind of stayed in the
Texas scene, spent several years in New York, LA.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Best hot dog ever had was in Germany. Really, I
know it was, and it's such a cliche thing, and
that's why I actually stopped for the hot dog. I
didn't go many places in my life growing up ready
to lift Arkansas. So then when I started to get
to go, I wanted to go everywhere. And so the
trip that my wife and I went on last we
went to Paris, and I have this romantic thought of

(07:40):
a train, just because we don't have trains. My stepdad
worked at a sawmill, different kind of train. Yeah, you
don't get on that one. You can get saw chips
on that And if you go to the Northeast. Are
kind of cool because you can take trains to cities
that kind of blows my mind too.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, but we went to Europe and I just love
the idea of getting on a train and going to
another big city or a different country. We go to Paris,
and from Paris we are going to go through like Germany,
We're gonna get to Austria. We're doing that whole area.
And there was a time we got off the train
and I got in a car and we were driving
through Germany, not Berlin. What's another big German city, Communich.

(08:19):
That's hot dog ever had? And so we stop at
a street fair and I'm like, I gotta get a
hot dog. It wasn't even hungry, and we stopped and
my wife's like, you're gonna we just had lunch. I'm like,
it doesn't matter. And thinking about gas stations in Europe,
you guys will both know this. They're not gas stations.
They're like full markets.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
It's fresh, and they're making chefs in there. It's I
want to stop at every It's like a Bucky every
where you go in Europe. It's a European Bucky three miles.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
So we stopped at this food fair and I go
out and I'm like, where can I get a hot dog?
And it wasn't called a hot dog, it was called
a worst verst and it's bigger than the bun and
I get in. He's the greatest hot dog I've ever
had in my life. And that's my association with Germany
was that one stop. Zevenas don't know what that means,

(09:08):
but I agree. Yeah, are you Germans?

Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah? It spoke as.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
You speak German very well.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm like, don't teach this to our son.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I don't need you to talking behind behind my back
in front of my face.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Especialis were born in Germany. I was born in the
US and DC, and then you moved back and then
we moved back out a little sister, and then we
moved to Dallas, Texas and spent almost my whole life there.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
What were you doing in dow music? Obviously, but was it?

Speaker 5 (09:33):
I mean it went from that's kind of was high
school out. And then I moved to Paso, Texas, started
playing with the guys Jim Ward out of Sparta at
the Drive in kind of more post rock and roll,
and then moved to York and started playing with the
worship Ben Hillsong and then kind of went from extreme
rock and roll to church music to then finding my
balance now country music.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
And you guys met because you were recording in there.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I was making a record with Bo Bedford down he
did the pacud in Room forty one album, and we
have a good friend that read Neil, and I were
writing with Aaron Raytier here in town, and he played
the Paul record for us in East Tennessee during COVID,
and I was like, I'm sorry, who's making this music?

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Where are they?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
If the band Perry's going to make like a third album,
it needs to sound like I want this Ethos And
it was just such a cool project, and so I
started to just hit up both this guy Matt Pence
down in Denton, Texas. He engineered the record and mixed it,
and so we headed down there in twenty twenty to
try to find like what the third iteration of her band?

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Like, what was the third project? And Johnny actually came
to the studio.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
I was living in Austin, Texas, Yeah, with the great
artist Shaky Graves. Yeah, a tape machine studio down there, and.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Our producer and his girl had split like the first
weekend that we were recording, and so Johnny came to
check on him one weekend, and we sort of tell
the story that like he met me on Friday night.
I met him Saturday at brunch because I was had
had too many martinis on this particular Friday night.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
But I just.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Immediately fell in love with him. And there's a lot
of chaos just going. It was just a wild sort
of scene and you just felt like home to me
in the middle of that. And we eloped eight months later,
fair responssibly.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Oh okay, eight months, so that's that's a healthy amount
of So that's healthy.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's not like eight weeks she had the red flags.
I could have done it eight weeks though. Later I
was just very very in, very quickly.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
She seems a little too commercial for all the things
that you just named.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Oh I am he tells me this all the time.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Just seems like you're like, well, here's this commercial country.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
The words in corporate.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Do I love it?

Speaker 5 (11:42):
I think I love the opportunity for a great song
to be played in front of an audience that loves music.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, that is what I love.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
Like there's so many scenes in music of people that
like music or people that kind of like it. I
think country is the one genre though, that they want
to listen to the craft of the song. They want
to hear like it just stripped down. There's so many
effects and guitar effects and drum effects and tracks and
loops and everything. You can start mixing into all types
of genres where I'm like, if it's a good song,

(12:09):
you can put an acoustic guitar or on upright piano.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I mean romantically, though you're dating the corporate lead singer
of the band Perry.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
It's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Do you even know that when he started dating me?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
So she's actually really cool. But I would just think
somebody in carhart and leather wallet chain off your ear,
You're probably like, what is this.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
We have a moment and it usually comes from me
going like you can say that to anybody like you.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Have to be night rage. I'm still just rout it.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's so fun.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
I mean, I will say album.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
The day we met well, the day I met him
again Saturday at brunch, we all went thrifting after in
Dallas to these thrift stores and there was a band
Perry t shirt hanging on the rack.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Just pissed me off because I was just like, who
got rid of this school?

Speaker 4 (12:50):
So it's seventy five bucks.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
But he thought he did not know the band Perry,
He did not know a little song gone about a
young any of it or no.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I believe in the narrative focuse it's a better story
if you say no.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
But he really the.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Grid on many things.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
I would, you know, visit certain streaming platforms to access music,
and most of it was like I was trying to
have no influence in my life, is what I was creating.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I really believe him at this point, like I've grilled him.
But he thought that I had planted the T shirt
to impress him.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's funny.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
And I was like, boy, no, you'll find out.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I was like, just wait, no, I was I'm not
that yeah, no, no, But but I did kind of
say that.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
You were a little sass.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
I think it was during COVIDS. I had a COVID
mask on. I thought it was cool and I threw
some wild very skittles in my mouth, but I stilled
my mask on.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I was like, instant love, okay, instant love.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
And so you guys dated for eight months before you Elope.
What was the Where did you elope?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
To Vegas? We got married at midnight at the Wynn
in our hotel room. Why that So I was on
the West.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Coast doing meetings. Three days on the West coast.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
We had a day off in the middle and I
suggested we do lands of course, and Johnny was like.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Let's just go to Vegas. Let's go do this. I
had no dress.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean I had got married in a neon skirt,
you a white T shirt, bare feet, and we had
a little bit of a litmus test though. I was like,
if this is meant to be, everything has to get done.
Like we woke up that morning, We're going to Vegas,
and we had this rule that like we wanted to
go in a cool car.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
So if somebody would let us on tournagile black corvette.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Get their black corvette, if they would let us drive
it from La to Vegas, because a lot of times
they just let you take them in the city. If
they trusted us to do that, Like that was one
on the list that was like a check.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
This is meant to be.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
And the other was to find a twenty four hour
efficient because we didn't really want Elvis to marry us,
like that's cool, but we were like let's have like.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
A moment, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
And there was a woman who went to Divinity School
at Vanderbilt and worked general on my mind when it
was a radio single Wow, which we recorded and got
our Grammy with, and it just all these pieces.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Came together and I was like, let's do it. Let's
go get married. And in Neon tonight, did.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
You just do it in your hotel room? What was
the room?

Speaker 4 (15:05):
Like?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
It was really nice and there was a bottle of
whispering Angel was the rose that they just have in
like all the rooms at the wind So that's now
our wedding.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Lie, Why did you feel like you had to get married? Then?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Just wanted to didn't tell anybody. I had never made
that kind of a decision, especially you know, I grew
up very close to all of our families, so we
were all in each other's business. And I was just like,
I need to live this moment in my life where
I don't tell anybody else, it's just about me and him.
I don't really want to go through the whole season
of planning a wedding and reading Neil knew because they

(15:37):
were in LA.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
With me, which was really much cool.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
But it was just a season I think where I
had just always been so deliberate with every decision, and
I was deliberate with choosing him, But how I married him,
I was like, let's be wild. I was like, I
need you to be the Mickey to my Mallory.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
You know, it feels like a homeschool kid who gets
go to college.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
What kind of Bobby just calls me off? I mean
just a little eleventh and twelfth grade. And it did
feel a little like that.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
And I wasn't even meaning you specific specific, but that's
a little cool, to be honest anybody I know. It
was like a cool yeah, yeah, the coolest like yeah.
So it's like you wanted to exercise that part that
you haven't exercised. But it was also about him, though, right,
It was for sure him. Yeah, we'll make sure that's out,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
It was for sure him.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
But I never had believed it like love at first sight,
and that was my experience with him, And so I
think we just wanted our wedding to reflect what felt
like the first moment of our relationship, which felt wild
to me in the best way.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
And just not overthink things because I'm an overthinker.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Did you ever think you'd be in a country band?

Speaker 5 (16:39):
No, I think I grew up So I grew up
church in Dallas, and Charlie Pride lived across the street
from our little softball field, and I remember he'd come
over like the ball would go over, and then he'd
come up for Thanksgiving, Christmas, Churtion, I always remember like, wow,
he's such a stature and like so cool and I
loved country music.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
But honestly, now, yeah, I would think about all those
bands that you that I've never heard of. You're way
cooler than than like us.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Here, No, I think what y'all build is so much cooler,
like magnificent.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
I can also agree with that. Yeah, it's and what
we do is cool. It's like when you heard of
I'm like, you're way cooler than me. Sometimes people will
do that. I was with doing one of these Chris
Robinson from and I'm a big fan of Don't Robinson Brothers. Yeah,
and so uh he was talking about all of these

(17:31):
artists that inspired him. I didn't know a single one
of them.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Really.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, That's how I knew that he was like next level.
He was like, you know the Mastodon clowns, And I'm like,
I never heard of the Mastodon clowns. I don't even
know if that's a real man.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
You relax.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
He could hit me with like eight in a row
that he made up. So yeah, that's cool. And you
are legitimately still the band Perry, because well you're not same.
It's not Perry anymore, though, is it?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I mean legally it is mostly because I'm just too
lazy to change.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Do all the paperwork, Perry.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
Then she's still the band Perry.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, you have a change, I haven't.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
It's on the to do list for twenty twenty seven. Yeahs,
renovation on this house. We're renovating.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Get her name.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I told my wife I didn't care she changed her
name to my real life because my real estame is
not Bones, obviously, and she does not go by Kaylen Bones.
She'd rather stab a pin in her eye than go
by Kaylen Bones. Like no part of her and even
like our upcoming child. She's like that the child will
not be called Bones, right because she knows this is like,
for sure, a very elevated version of.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Me, for sure, totally she knows the real you. Yeah, sadly,
that's the beautiful thing about marriage. It's for better for worse.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
And when we were getting married, I was like, you
don't you did not have to take my last name,
and then she goes, why don't you take mine? Its
absolutely not, but you did not have to take yeah name.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I do you feel for him a little? I'm like,
ain't nobody told him to change his name to Johnny Perry.
Yet that's not going to happen. Actually, but I did
wonder if you were going to get a little bit
of that you haven't yet.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
It was the child that we're about to have. That
was the reason she said it would just be easier
on the kid.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, for sure, Well it is because I can tell
you this.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
You know, we have congratulations.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
By the way, our son is two and a half,
and so every pediatrician appointment we go to, like the
onboarding is always like there's some judgment because they're like
Kimberly Perry mother, Johnny Costello father, he's with Costello.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Are you guys married, you know, like and I'm just like, yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
A yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
You get a little bit.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Of it, even though they probably got shotgun married.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
We don't have Vegas. We have.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
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Speaker 3 (20:01):
You mind talking about the kid for a minute. We're
in the process, you know, soon enough, it's going to happen.
When you had your baby, do people know you were there?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
What do you mean by that? Like, did I just
go out like we're we're in a baby bubble? Is
that what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Okay, I'm just going to tell you the story that
that makes me ask this question. We went and we
toured the hospital because we wanted to see where we parked,
because I didn't want it to be like oh god,
and then go to the wrong one. I'm at the
vet and they're like, no, the hospital's over here for
you know, so go do the thing. And went in
and it as soon as I went in, I'm not whining.

(20:38):
I want everybody, I'm not whining. As soon as I
went in, I didn't realize that it was a group.
They did these group tours because I didn't We didn't
ask for anything. Sol well, we're not going to call
and be like that. There were five other couples, and
one of the couples was like taking pictures and recording
us the whole time. Which it's a very that's a
very vulnerable place. I understand the job that I do.
I get it everywhere I go. It's fine. I I

(21:00):
built this and people see me in public and I
love it and it's great totally. But there are certain places, yeah,
where it.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Feels like the maternity ward like so much.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
So I never really had that feeling of being protective
totally Like that felt right in that moment.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Because you're not just protecting you anymore and.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Totally protect So that bothered me. And it was and
again I'm not you know, Jimmy Fallon or Obama or Trump.
It's not that level of fame. But it's if I'm
in there and people know, are they going to come
trying to take pictures? So I wonder is that something
you work?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Think alias is an option?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
So we were in under an ALIAS and then I'm
not sure where you guys are delivering. We delivered it
here in Nashville, but there was an option to be
on like a private floor, which was really cool, and
then under an ALIAS, and that was sort of like
what we chose to do.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I never would have thought to even ask that, but
that felt so intrusive.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, no, that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
And I've had my house broken into, I've been jumped,
I've had all that stuff happened to me. And that sucked,
And I get it. Man, it was a whole different level.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, but you're in like pop a mode where you
start to.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
See, yeah, it's different.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
It kind of piss me off. Yeah, for sure, when
it was happening. I was like, at least fake it,
because you guys, know when someone's.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
Phone goes there's an angle of a phone.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
See the light bulb.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Also, to your point, there's some basic humanity that has
to come into play, and a maternity ward taking.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Photos and video of you guys is not cool.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
But that's a human thing. Like they should know that.
That's totally not on you, guys. They should know that.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
How was the labor like, what's up?

Speaker 4 (22:36):
He's looking at you.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
I'm looking at you right now because you had to
go through what happened, Like what over? What's up? Tell
me how painful was that for you?

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Johnny?

Speaker 5 (22:45):
No, I wasn't going there. I mean, the couch's not comfortable,
but it was. It is just like I guess you
don't realize it. I remember leaving the hospital and like
walking back in. I went and got Chick fil A
and I walked back in and I just watched they
were wheeling with right by me, and I was like, oh,
that's my kid. Oh whoa, Like you're just like whoa.
Your life changes. But the process, whole process of it

(23:06):
was rocks. I mean, the anesthesiologist was a rock star,
Like you're just like, oh.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
What about the white Like do you have do you
feel different about her ector seeing her do that.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
She's mighty Kimberly. I feel like Kimberly is how I
feel like how everyone knows her. They're like she her voice,
her spirits. She writes music about topics that we all
kind of don't want to talk about sometimes, and so
like she's willing to go deep and dark. I think
she just like there was one moment You're like okay.
I was like you're good, and she's like I got this, and.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
I was just like yeah, like it's true, it's real confidence.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
I mean, I think both of us coming out of it,
I think that's where we both were like WHOA, our
life has.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Changed forever, and it was just the two of us,
like we did not have we chose to not have
family waiting in the waiting room. We're like, we got
this guys, y'all can meet them on the other side.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
That was really special for us because.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I think it just like took us to a whole
new level of our relationship. But that is I mean,
that's twenty four to thirty six hours of going from
like oh, he's on the way.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
To Oh he's here?

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Is have you major playlist sentence?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
No any songs that I suggest because I'm I've had
a few suggestions kind of crows doing a little hoodie.
My wife is My wife's almost twelve years younger than
I am, and that is not her.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
What does she want?

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Does she have her?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, she's got like you know, big Bieber fan, Harry
Styles fan, she loves Casey Musgraves. So she definitely has
like a vibe, got it, And so I'm sure it'll
be a lot of that. But yeah, it's also not
the joke that I make with her is can we
not make this all about you?

Speaker 6 (24:41):
Like when we get in there, Let's not make this
all about so?

Speaker 3 (24:46):
And I was asking you first because I feel like
you had my eyes and what I'm how it's going
to be, was it? My therapist told me not to
put any sort of judgment on the emotions that I have,
meaning there some people in that moment that have this
complete euphoric state. There are some people that it doesn't

(25:06):
happen then because of whatever else is happening, Like it
could be substituted for fear, for anxiety in that euphoria
comes later as the dad. How did you feel do.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
You just have it like you are like you're always
a protector of your partner, but then you're also just
like you're like when you hear them coming out of
the room crying and then I mean for what he
was peeing and they're like, oh, not in there, like
they had just turn him real quick. And so you
just kind of have this like my whole world change on,
like Papa Bear now, like you just kind of get
into this realm of like it feels so natural, Like

(25:37):
I just get so excited. I think my whole life
I was kind of like.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Kids, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
And then now it's like once we got married, I
was like, well we get to have family, and then
we had a kid. I was like, it's such a
great progression in your life that you get to have
a kid, because it just kind of matures things that
you have anxieties about. Like there's some things you overthink
or you get in your head about, and you're like
when you compare it, you kind of just don't think
about that anymore.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Do you see? Do you have a different strength You
have always been a very strong person to me, I
feel like you've always been a very You've had to
be this industry, you had to be totally. Do you
feel like different strengths for being a mom.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
I do, and that strength comes in confidence. I think
it's sort of like just a whole different I don't
get flustered in the same ways, and the things that
I would trip on, I just don't trip on anymore.
A there's not as much emotional capacity, it's not as
much time, right, so everything is.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Much more efficient.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Even your feelings about things feel like, well this, I'm
going to let this roll off because I just don't
have the energy to give to it. But I also
think the confidence for me as an artist walking through
even putting out a project pregnant, that was massive for me.
I think we might have even talked about that back
then on the podcast, because just the physical expectations that

(26:51):
we have for female artists, it's tough. It's tough to
live up to, and so that was huge for me.
And then for him to now be here gain confidence
in that season. Now I'm confidence knowing like I'm his mama,
I'm his Mama Bear. He's got Papa Bear here, like
whatever happens in his life we can't control every element
of it, but it's ours to sort of protect him

(27:11):
as much as we can. There's just a whole different
level of like assurance, confidence and making decisions that come
with that.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Do you feel that creeping into your creative lives at
all you make so long as you're.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Right, yes, being concisive.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Yeah, your time efficiency changes. I mean with everything you
run you have to be so adamant about. Like when
you become parent, you just like really lock in, Like
I've got thirty five minutes, I'm gona knock this out.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, you get like pre wit, we would just go like,
let's go do a two day somewhere. Let's just go
right for two days. We can have the strink tequila, like.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
We would be so well sleep, Like let's just bring
one acoustic here, yeah, nine long string and then you're like.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Hey, god, no top for that now?

Speaker 4 (27:52):
So once do I have a six string banjo?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Here we go Like now it's like, okay, we have
two hours after he goes to bed before we're exhausted.
Let's get a chorus. Let's like get a verse at
a chorus. We'll drink some red wine, but we're still
going to be up at six thirty no matter what.
So our efficiency creatively is so much more thanks to Sharp.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
How much stuff have do you have recorded? The even
put out yet?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
A little bit?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
So we've done our first three sides with Dan Huff
of course Psychological as OUs, we've.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Done two more.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
We go back in in March to grab three more.
So I think this whole album we're going to go
in batches of three?

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Are you releasing them in batches of you know, you
have one song out, but are you doing like them
or are you going to do a whole album.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
We're going to do a whole album, but we're going
to do the thing where we do a song at
a time leading to the full album.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
So we're looking at like a fall a fall?

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Really can I say album in the fall? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Album in the fall.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
What do you think about the culture of singles or
clusters or albums?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I like singles leading to albums. I can't.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
My brain doesn't function in any other way other than
this is an era. This is like the ethos that
we're building for project. Yes, but I don't mind releasing
those songs one at a time because it would always
bum me out that you know, radio is such a
long journey, and it gives you exposure on a song
like no other. But I was always like, but what
about the other you know, ten songs on the album

(29:16):
that you may want to focus on. I do think
at least the single releases allow you to give each
song that you care about their moment.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Who's your favorite artist of all time?

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Of all time?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh God, when you said that, I mean, I have
so many. But Freddy Mercury of Queen is probably like Queen. Yes,
but Freddy Mercury.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Should you share your queen story?

Speaker 3 (29:36):
You have a queen story?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
I too. I love a little bit of a queen story.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
So since Literal day one, we've covered Fat Bottom Girls
and our shows and when we play acoustically we do
a bluegrass version of it. And so we were playing
for a Gibson event, Gibson Guitar event a couple months ago,
and the CEO of that company invited us to play. Yes,
It's aar and he had his phone out and I

(29:59):
was like, cool, he just wants to check out, you know,
the video of this later and he came up to
me after the show and he's like, listen to this,
And it was a voice note of Brian May.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
He'd sent him the guitar player.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yes, the guitar player. He had sent him our version
of this playing it live, and he was like, Oh,
tell them I think it's so beautiful and if they're
Evan London, I'd love to check out a show.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
And I died and the best way I died. I
was so excited that band has just meant so much
to me.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Go to London.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I haven't been since the voicemail, but we're going to
and we're going to call Brian and he's going to
come see us play Fat Bottom Girls, the Bloyd Grass version.
We're manifesting.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
What about your favorite artists of all time? Oh boy,
you gotta go one, just pick one.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
I'm going to go Patty Griffin.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
So that's good a lot. I lived in Austober twelve years.
I didn't know that that was my favorite city's ever. Yes,
still it's like the greatest.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
It is. Why Patty Man, She's like one person that
can make me cry.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Like you hear there's some signs like oh Man, just
like Turnscreen, but you're just like Patty. I was not
ready to go deep on a Tuesday morning. Like her lyrics.
I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
It's her vocal. She means it like it's just her
songwriting is like it makes you get internally reflective on
stuff that's going on in your life.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Like I would see her and Robert Plant I like
Whole Foods.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's crazy because they dated for a second, right, Yeah,
they were wild.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
They'd be together, Whole Foods together. I don't know a
few years.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, I think I saw them one time in Leaper's work. Yeah,
m hm. And I was just like, it was all
my dreams just in one little wild.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
It's wild.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
It's also really crazy to see anybody famous out in
the wild totally, even though we're in a world of
we understand what the industry is and for sure everybody's normal.
Actually everybody's kind of cuckoo more so than normal. Right
to do this totally like you just got to be
like a screw loose. But it is always kind of
fun to see. I saw Jeremy Allen White, chef. My

(32:02):
wife and I saw him at What's the Health the
health food in l a store, Thank you. Air One.
We saw him at Air One, just chilling and I'm
never gonna bother anybody. And I was just like dude,
I I know fantasy school. That's crazy that it was
just like seeing a panda.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Wait, so did you go, say, of course not, did
you take a sneak?

Speaker 3 (32:23):
I took nothing. Now wait till the Attornity Ward.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Video? Can I do the tour and the pregnancy?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
I saw him and I was like, that's crazy, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Like movie stars are a different level though in my opinion,
and maybe it's just because we do music and it's
cool to see like me as musicians in the wild.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
The movie stars and TV stars are like.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I feel like athletes from when I was a kid. Yeah,
that's really Anything from when I was a kid is
cool total because I idolized certain people because I didn't
know any difference. Right, I'm twelve. So it's like first
time I met Garth Brooks, this is not Earth and
then to be become friends friends ish with Garth Brooks,

(33:12):
but like Mark Chestnut, Yeah, coming to play my studio, right,
It's like this is crazy. Wold like somebody that I, like,
you know, totally adored as a wrestlers. Don't even started, really,
don't even get me started. Yes, love, like if you
were like my one of my favorite celebrities.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Ever.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
I have a white well list of three celebrities I've
never got to interview, and one of them is Staying
the wrestler, not the singer, but the wanstler. And I've tried.
I can't get him, really, I know, but it's but
it's like childhood. That's who it was for me. But
Freddie Marcy wasn't alive for you though.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
I know.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
But my dad was a big rock and roll fan,
and so he like we cut our tee's early, you know,
banned as we were forming. Me as an artists, I
would just do cover songs and like, listen to these songs,
figure out how to play guitar to them. But he,
Freddy Mercury shaped my like performance personality so much because
back then it wasn't like, oh, let me go find

(34:11):
a choreographer to help me figure what to do with
my hands. I would just watch the live aid film
over over and over, and he had like the Mike
stand that wasn't, you know planned.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
He would like, it's just so dramatic.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Can I give you the unfair, probably incorrect interpretation of
your childhood that I have in my brain, please, that
your parents were a mix of Earlwoods and Joe Jackson
the dads right, because they were both so prolific that
Jackson five were so pro they were so good, they
were kids. They he was too hard on them. I'm

(34:45):
not saying about your dad, but to actually get kids
to be excellent at something extremely difficult. Earlwood's too hard
on Tiger but ended up being the greatest golfer of
all time. Was that at all what it was like
with your parents.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
So I think they were hardest on us when it
came to our focus, Like it was like, hey, we
don't need distractions, so like when I wanted to date
and that sort of thing, and my brothers, it was
sort of like this is not getting you where you
want to go. So that part became a little bit complex,
like some of the just things that you know, young

(35:19):
kids and young adults are so focused on. They would
really encourage us strongly to like keep your eye on
the ball. But when it came to like the excellence
of like I go back when we sort of auditioned,
if you will, for all the labels in town. We
did that at our manager's office. Bob Doyle speaking of
Garth Brooks. Bob Doyle's office and we played acoustically and

(35:39):
I go back.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I still have a video of that. I was like, man,
that was good, but I can see it.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
It was so tight, but it tested out of music
theory in like fifth grade.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I think I ruled it with the iron fist when
it came to.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Like your music knowledge, especially as a musician with a band,
is always like WHOA, she can change a key, redesign it,
and you're like.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
But I had to work on that over the years
because as I also remember, like my brother's setting me
down at one point, they're like, you can, you can
be nicer about it.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Though you know, I'm the oldest.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
It's so hard.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
And I will say there came a time where I
did you know, and it was sort of like, let
me acquiesce to every voice that's around us right now
and just be a little more chill. And I don't
know that that served us well either, you know. So
I think it's like definitely a fine line between excellent.
You got to sharpen each other like for sure and

(36:31):
sharp me and sometimes it's going to poke a little bit.
But man, we can't get apathetic to it either. Because
they were hard on keeping us focused.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Did you get a prom.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I did, but I went to Southern Baptist School in Mobile, Alabama,
and so our prom was a banquet with karaoke.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
So that was.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, yeah, Well, my dad's a p K.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
All of his father and then all of my great
uncles were Southern Votist preachers, and my parents weren't like
as conservative as that. They're like, hey, go ahead, like
how the after party to work all you want? You know,
but the school, the school did not have a proper prom.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Did they want you to be a band more than you?
Guys wanted to be a band that young?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
That's a good question. I was completely obsessed with being
in a band. The first band I was in was
the worship band at that high school, at said Southern
medic school. My boyfriend played bass, and so we figured
out we could spend more time together if I was
the lead singer. And so he called me and invited
me to do this, and rehearsal was at his house.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I couldn't sleep the night before.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I was like completely obsessed with making music with my
friends and my brothers. Eventually rehearsal got moved to our
living room. They observed that as very young boys, you know,
and they just were obsessed with jumping on the drums
and the bass as soon as these guys would go
out to like play basketball, and we loved it.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Were you allowed to listen tocular music?

Speaker 2 (38:01):
There was a time when I did. There was a
time when my parents cut a deal with me to like,
if you'll give up it was the day. I'll tell
you what it was. I always talk about this on
stage where we played Kausic sets. I went to Walmart
one day in eighth grade and I was like, Mom,
I need these two CDs and it was Dina Carter's
Did I Shave my legs for this? And the Spice
Girls with like the Want I don't even know the

(38:22):
name of the album, but it was with the Wanna
Bee song on there, and I got no doubt Tragic Kingdom,
which on the back of I had a little you know,
orange said sun pissed. And my mom got her hands
on all three of those records that she had just
bought for me at Walmart to like see what her
kid was listening to, and they came to cut a
deal with me. They were like, we'll replace all of

(38:43):
this music with Christian music, and we'll buy you a
new CD every month, but you can't listen to this
for a second.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
And I did the deal for a minute, which was
formative for me too in a different way. She was
like jolly DC.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Talk and that's the golden era, the Floodstill it's really hard.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
It was so good radio man, all of that.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, so yeah, you got a good time for them
to make that deal with you. Yeah. When did you
get to go back? Though?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
It was like two years later because I think they
also understood the bounce off, Like but literally, she's going
to give her life to music, so we need to
make sure that she has all these music vitamins.

Speaker 8 (39:23):
If you will, the Bobby cast will be right back.
This is the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
I grew up very much in church. My grandmother was Pentecostal.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
She raised me.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
I grew up Southern Baptist. I was president of the FCA,
which is I felt Christian athletes like I did all
of that.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
When I get going out of college, I got a
like a bucket of water dumped on me.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And I was then obsessed with learning about Socrates and Aristotle, Plato,
like all these philosophers and seeing and a bit I
felt like I was sinning by wanting to learn things
or other than what I had only been taught growing up. Right,
So that was a phase for me to just understand
that me wanting to learn more did not mean I

(40:17):
was doing wrong totally sure, because I felt that for
sure for a good almost a year, right, and I'm
still fascinated with philosophy. But because I was so in
church and then I wanted to learn about things that
I had never been exposed to, I definitely had a
generational run of learning about everything that Wasn't that right?

(40:37):
Did you have that?

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (40:40):
And no?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
I think I definitely had that when it came to
the arts and my parents because my brother's homeschooled a
lot longer than I did, so with them, they would
have these moments called like homeschool moments, like we're gonna
allow you, like we should expose you to this record
or this move, like you guys need to branch out
a little bit, And so I think they were actually

(41:02):
really chill about making sure that culturally we had a
little bit of everything.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I am.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
My own walk in faith never really had the moment
where it was like I can't remember who talks about this,
there's this pastor that talks about you know, you're in
this box and it sort of like everything that's given
to you and you have to do this thing where
you deconstruct it and then for a second you just
throw it all away, and then there's a third box
when you put the pieces together that you know you've
come to know and believe in make your faith your own.

(41:29):
And so I've never had sort of the phase where
I threw everything out of the box, but I definitely
because and that comes from the church construct a little bit.
I appreciate the church, but there have been moments of
being church hurt because I started music in the church.
When I stepped out, there were a lot of people,
even in our local church community that were like, well,

(41:50):
this is not the right thing to do. And I
just had a sense that like, no, like, I'm pretty
sure i know what God called me to do. You know,
he and I are talking about this, and so well,
there was a little bit of I didn't always appreciate
that church culture, pinning that on my purpose, but when
it came to the faith, that was always like I've

(42:10):
never had the moment that I threw everything out, but
it definitely has been refined and it's definitely been made mine.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
You always say God doesn't have grandkids, you know, so
it's like it has to be ours and it's very individual.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
That's interesting the box because I think I brought some
of those back in the box with me, but definitely
left a lot of them out ToxT three.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
And that is your relationship, you know, with me.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I think what I hold on to from growing up
so deeply embedded in my church is that like they
took care of me a lot. Yeah, I don't have
food a lot of times, so I got fed. I
would Wednesday night, I would go and there was a
security there.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
And like that's the stuff that I take with me
to the box.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Taking care of community and taking care of your family.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Yes, because like those are my positive memories of my
church is that there were people there that were like,
we got you. We don't really know you that well, kid,
but we know things ain't going so good, so we're
going to help you eat like fundamental needs.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's so swee.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
But I like that third box, like you got your
box because I definitely had to kick my way out
of the box. Now I'm in a new box, and
I'm like you know, I don't really love this box.
So I go to the third box and I pulled
some stuff from ver. Sure cool, And I think going
to college to me and taking philosophy classes was big
for me. There I'd have a philosophy teacher named doctor Green,

(43:41):
and again I thought I was going to Hell. The
first semester I took a philosophy class, I was like,
I'm going to Hell. I signed up for Hell. Basically,
I thought I signed up right now called Hell class.
And so we're learning fundamental and it all starts with Socrates, right,
and I'm learning about you know, they're learning about the Cave,
which is not Socrates. But I'm learning all this up.

(44:01):
And I took him for a semester and then took
him for a second semester. And it was then when
I started to not have guilt about it, and I thought,
you know, I'm gonna do something I've never done before.
I'm going to go and find this teacher and tell
him how much that he meant to me. Even though
he was not a person that stayed after class, was
not super warm to that wasn't his vibe. He was

(44:21):
there to teach freaking philosophy and get out older man,
and I said, you know, I'm going to go on Monday.
It was like a Wednesday or Thursday, and I'm going
to go to his office hours because who goes to
office hours? And I'm losers who goes? Losers go to
office hours? And so I was going to go to
his office hours on Monday and tell him how much

(44:42):
that that meant to me growing as a person. And
he died on Sunday. I never got to tell him,
and I hold on to that, and I'm not perfect
at it, but I think about that sometimes and go, man,
if I got something I got to tell somebody, yes,
wo like, I gotta do it. He freaking died on Sunday.
How selfish of him.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
I can't believe.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Did you know Monday I was coming to the news
was coming?

Speaker 4 (45:08):
I know the validation he was.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
So impactful to me. I had no idea and I
was good, but that moment is so impactful to me
thinking back, and again, I am in no way perfect,
but I do hold on to that and go, man,
you know, I learned from that that if you got
something to say somebody that meant something to you, you
should probably just go ahead and say it. Yeah, totally sure,
and that's fromally that experience. So what did you take

(45:32):
from the first season of The Van Parry to now
where maybe you had to learn a difficult lesson?

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Oh man, so many lessons. You know.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
The old cliche like hindsight is twenty twenty is so real.
Between season one and season two, I think one thing
that I've allowed myself to rest in and also find
the energy for season two. Actually, Scott borschitt I said
this to me a couple months ago. He was like,
season one happened, All of that happened.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
It was so magical. Let it be magical.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Now season two is going to happen, and it's going
to be in a wholly different way, but it's not
going to be less magical.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
We just got to rebuild it. This is day one.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
And that felt really cool to me to like not
feel like you're choosing one thing over the other or
in some ways they're not compatible. It's like, no, these
things perfectly are married together. And are these two seasons
in your life? I think the other difficult lesson that
I learned the hard way was I was always so
hyper fixated on like legacy and if your songs are

(46:36):
making your legacy.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
You have to be obsessed with every.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Single song that you put out, or you're undoing your legacy.
And I really got tripped up, especially the second half
of Pioneer. I did not love the decisions that were
being made for the songs that were going to radio
and sort of defining our career in that moment, and
I made some pretty sweeping decisions to change the team
because I didn't like those and felt like they were

(47:01):
undoing our legacy at this point, compromise in the right
way and understanding that it's a journey. There are going
to be mountaintops, there are going to be some valleys.
Your legacy is based on the whole story. I like
have my head so much more wrapped around that now
than I did in the moment. And I would tell
little me, like, it's going to be okay, let's get

(47:22):
through this song moment, talk about if it worked or
if it didn't, and then you know, just make cooler
decisions moving forward. So that was a hard lesson to learn.
I think that it derailed some things that we had
built for sure, But you.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Mean just going screw this, We're out.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, And it wasn't exactly that, but I definitely changed
so many I mean, we left our label over some
of those things that now I'm back home with and
I know now in hindsight and honestly did six months
after leaving. It was like, oh no, that was the
family that killed for us, you know, at that label.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
But it became so everything felt like.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
A life or death moment in those moments when it
came to what was happening to our song legacy, and
looking back, it was like, no, there was just like
going to be the next song and we can just
all sort of get on the same page with that.
But it did not feel that way in the moment.
And I just want to tell younger artists that too.
Everything is so heightened. Like I wonder sometimes with all
these superstars that are coming out of our format right now,

(48:23):
like what does it feel to them in the moment
right now? Because even now country music is such a
bigger part of pop culture than it was when we
started out, and there are just sort of these moments
I feel like such a blur because it's all happening
so fast, and sometimes you can't look back at those
moments with clarity until you're out of it. But I

(48:43):
feel for these younger artists, and it's just sort of
like this is a marathon. There are going to be
these peaks, there are going to be challenges, but it's
your legacy.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Is the whole through line, you know, the whole story.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Yeah, perspective. You only get it because you've been through.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
And that's hard.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
It's it's hard about it. If somebody would have told me, hey,
everything's not so serious, I would have been like, you're old,
you have no idea. Yeah, that's literally how I would
have reacted to it, because I was like a bowl
in a china shop when I came to town, like
I do not care. Also, I was so insecure, and
that's a bad mix. When you're wildly insecure and you

(49:19):
also know exactly what you want, you feel like people
don't understand you. I was just I was kicking holes
indoors and kissing people off and that showbiz baby. I
wish I could shake that person and go it doesn't
have to be just like this, Because I in any
time I saw myself as not being exactly right or

(49:39):
with like full attention towards something, it was weakness. I
felt like people saw weakness in me. If I didn't
know every little thing and why I was doing it,
like you said, not the case. I wish I could
tell somebody, but I don't want to be unk. Yeah,
it's all though, it's efective gains doing it mostly doing

(50:03):
it wrong, sometimes getting it right totally. But I completely
feel what you're saying there, because again I just think
to you as being somebody that right or wrong, knew
exactly what she wanted.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, right, And then you get to set your priorities,
like is it based on just keeping this trajectory perfectly,
you know, in the ascension position? Or is it being
true to your song gut? Like we get to choose
these priorities.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
You know, I want to do this exercise with you.
I'll go first, so you don't think I'm just putting
it on you. Okay, where do you think it went wrong?
And where do you think it went right in your career?
And I can go first. It was just a type
of vamp because I'm putting it on you. I think
for me, I was so afraid of making friends here

(50:49):
because I did not think that anybody would like me
for who I was, only for what I had and
what I can provide them. That I made no friends
everybody was an enemy, I would I was wrong. Yeah,
I stremely wrong. That made me very prickly on purpose.
But I was like, I will have no relationships in
this industry because why do they like me? Nobody likes me,
so they must only like me for what I can

(51:10):
provide them. I was wrong. I'm actually pretty cool sometimes right,
or I was right. Was just being consistent. Consistency is
such currency, like the one thing. I don't do a
lot of things great. I do everything really good. I
don't think you have to be that great but occasionally,
but if you're good and really good consistently and you

(51:32):
show up, man, that is all of what success is about,
because you can't really predict it in a business like
this totally because there's nothing normal about this or the
decisions being made. That's my wrong and right. I love
that that and also wanted to give you time to
think about your answer.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
No, that's amazing. Now I think where it went wrong or.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
What I did make a wrong decision about and maybe
didn't pay attention to in the time. It was like
when everything felt like other people, where I always would
call it like creatively controlling me. I do think after
having so many conversations, and really, now thinking back with
hindsight of those moments, it was based out of love
and them trying to protect the thing that we were

(52:14):
building together versus just control so that I think we
can ignore a lot of and I certainly did things
by calling it something that maybe it's not, but it's
like a nasty word like control, and then it just
makes us like I won't be controlled by anybody. I
do think it would have been smarter to pay attention
to everybody who was in the trenches building that together

(52:36):
in that moment and not just sort of plant my heels.
What I think I did right is trust my artistic instinct,
and again that's going to lead us in various places
at different times, but I am very proud that I've
done that since day one. I do think coming back
in season two, I am trusting my artistic instinct fully

(52:57):
and also.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Have the like.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
The people skills at this point to explain my point
of view and be open to really smart people's advice
about my artistic guts.

Speaker 7 (53:13):
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and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
What do you think when she says all of that
because you weren't here for all that.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
I know it's partial learning and then partial like, yeah,
that makes sense. Like, I think there's just a confidence
that Kimberly's had within music. Like I think so many
people can do music. I think so many people can
play music. I think so many people can have people
write their albums for them and they can have a
long career in music. I think Kimberly is someone who, yes,
should be a recording artist, but has to be a
performing artist. I watch her on stage and I'm like, man,

(53:53):
she makes if it's a song she's written, or a
song that is a pitch and that three songwriters wrote
on music row, you know, super young, she still makes
it feel intimate like she wrote it. You're like, that's
her voice. Her voice has an ability to like give
you a feeling of relatability, but also just like, is
that what she's going through.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
I just think that's what it all makes sense.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
That's cool. I do love performing. It's my great love.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
The thing that I always liked about her. It's easier
to tell you this even though she's here, because it'd
be weird to be like, you know what I liked about.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
You guys, continue this.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Do you want to elongate this?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Should this be a two hour podcast today? Okay?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
What I liked about her was that I respected that
you just didn't f with her. That honestly was it
because like I got I there was a presentation of
you were the boss, you were coming in everybody to
get out of the freaking way, and I respected that

(54:53):
I didn't. I don't always have to agree with her,
but I always appreciated that about you. Thank you, because
she was always the same. And I talk about consistency, man,
I love people that are consistent. If you're super nice,
you're super mean, you're in a bad mood, good mood,
I like to know what I'm getting. And with you,

(55:14):
even with the version one of the band with your
brothers and now and you know, we don't hang out,
but like I like you because I think I respect
you because you just asked for what you wanted. And
I think some people were afraid of you because of that,
But I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I
think you have and to be a woman in this industry,

(55:34):
you have to be so much stronger. And I think
that be word can get attached because and it's unfair
because if a dude was doing it, it's just a
strong dude. But if a woman's doing it, oh she's
kind of a and I think that's so unfair. But
that's what I liked about her. I knew what I
was getting every time people were afraid of her. I
liked that because I think people were like afraid of me,

(55:55):
Like he's a guy.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
She's out here building that You're like.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Loved that. I still really love that value.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
That's why I was excited that you were coming in.
And I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Thank you for the invite.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
You guys are doing it again and the coup that
you pulled on the VAMPIREO being back home, my goodness
the most. It's awesome playing festivals.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Now reads like No, No, No, Which brother.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Came back for a minute? Read and then so how
long was he in before he left again?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
So our very first show back we actually the catalyst
for it was a hometown benefit show. We live in Greenville, Tennessee.
Hurricane Heleen hit our town hard and there was I mean,
what like five hundred families lost homes.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
It was crazy.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
It was like fifty four homes that needed to be rebuilt.
Morgan Wong came in half dollars ten dollars, and then
we finished the rest with the hometown benefit show to cover.
By the next Christmas, we could get every house rebuilt.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
So that was in January. It's like, we're going to
flip the lights on. This was like a good reason
to come back together.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Neil was, of course making his solo projects, so Timing
and Reid came on in from Josh wit stream and
we just had so much fun, and so it was like,
should we play more shows this year?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
This was last year in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
Greed and I had played music during the hiatus together,
so hence that's why it kind of that felt very organic.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, and he played a handful of shows.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I think he was just like, I really I like
my life out here, so he's doing artist management.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
He made that decision, I think in like October and
the fall.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Yeah, and it was cool we got to write that
he'll have some songs on this new project that we
wrote together, which was really cool.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
But that's what I love about country music.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
It allows you to evolve into exactly what you want
to be and how you want to shape your life
and for him to be in artist management, everything that
he learned from season one two is so cool that
he can give that to a young artist and help
shape where their future goes.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
You know, we have a lot of people to come
in and they I say donate, They donate great music,
like an album that they love or that shape them.
Would you mind picking up the album that.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
You brought iy boy. We collectively chose this, but this
was the one that he was like.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
This, I've seen Ravonna Bleach, so tell me.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Why go ahead?

Speaker 5 (58:00):
One bon This is the album that for purpose of
love for it, but also out of not choice, that
we listened to the first week we started dating, I
had been got a truck from a friend, Raylen. Baxter's
dad was Bucky Baxter, pedal steel player for Bob Dylan,
and he had passed and he gave me his old
three hundred and sixty five thousand mile truck. Drove it

(58:20):
from Kingston's Nashville, Tennessee, down to Austin, Texas, and this
CD got stuck in it and I couldn't like. I
took off the interface. I could not get this CD
out of it. So we just listened the first week
we started dating, I listened to it for I had
that six months before, so I listened to the CD
for seven months. It physically defines the Bleach where blonde
hair bleach all black. We always wear black leather, so

(58:43):
it kind of fits the function. But the song about
a girl on it is kind of a song we
kept going back to, and it's like Nirvana's spirit. I
feel like very much fits this new season too, the
clop of what we're trying to go into.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I just really want to be the country Kurt and
Courtney truthfully.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
M m wit spirit.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Our little kid is just I call him litt Kimberly.
I'm like, oh boy, here comes little Kimberly. He's just
running through that as he's like, mom, possible.

Speaker 4 (59:11):
It was.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
You'll eat a dozen.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
But this was quite a vibe driving through Dallas, Texas,
meeting the brand new love of your life and having
the Bleach album stuck in the CD player of a
track that had how many miles on it?

Speaker 4 (59:25):
I mean sixty five? I think it passed. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, I was a Nirvana nerd because it was just
the age.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
So if you're me, Nirvana was a big part of
your childhood, and I didn't get to Bleach, which was
before the big stuff, until I until I totally demolished
their current record. So I wasn't cool enough being from
Arkansas to have heard Bleach. But then I ate Bleach
up after I was just looking for anything right after
Kirk died, You're like, I was chasing live recordings, and

(59:55):
so then I listened to Bleach a lot, and then
you know, some of those songs ended up being on
what's one of my favorite albums of all time, which
is kind of a cheat, but I love the Nirvana
Unplugged Live of New York.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Oh it's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
It's the greatest it's ever been recreated.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Like it's so the greatest. It's amazing, And I feel
like a cheater because you can't really pick a greatest hits.
But they're also doing David Bowie. They're also they're also
doing a lot of songs and they're doing them in
different ways, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
So just so killer.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
I'm a big Bleach guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Thank you for letting us contribute.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I can't wait to add it to the to the
collect stash. So I guess my final question is, you
know you put out this new song like, why this
song psychological?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Yeah, well, you know I love a good psycho girl
love song. I mean I felt like it was better
Dig two's kid's sister. We love bold moves here obviously
in the Vampiri, I felt like, of everything that we've
recorded so far, this song, to me was the perfect
balance of like the poetry that I love and oj

(01:00:55):
og VAMPII songs, but it feels perfectly seated in twenty
twenty six country music. Everything is so exciting. These artists
in this format are like, you know, swinging for the
fences out here, and I felt like this was equal
parts bold move but also reminiscent of if you loved
our band from the beginning, you're probably gonna love this song.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Do you play all the hits on tour? Yes, and
you feel better about playing all the hits versus.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
As Kimberly Perry. That just did not feel natural to me. Again,
I'm so happy I made that album, but I was
just like, this is this doesn't feel right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
I really enjoyed this. I normally don't like having an
interview with more than one person, well because I feel
like I've got to like make people like if I'm
talking to you for a while. Then I got to
reach over and give a little rub on the head,
like that's really like something. I hate interving fool bands.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
That's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I love old dominion. I don't like having them all
right right because I like all those guys individually, and
you just want to make everybody feel felt. This felt
good to me. I hope it felt good to you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
When is baby coming?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
That's a great question, one that I will not answer
on microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Amazing, But when that is here, you guys, give us
a call.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Do you have any questions if you need us to
go chase anybody out of the attorney award?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
We got you?

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Yeah, man, that really I've never told that story. That
fired me up. And I don't react. My baseline right here,
right here, never too high, never too low. I got
pretty fired out. I believe it about that. Uh yeah,
I hope you guys. I wish you the best of success.
Thank you so much, And obviously I think the world
of you and I just got to know you. And
I'm glad you didn't die your hair blonde just for

(01:02:31):
this now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
But if you would, if I'd have been like, that's
a Coop, I'm like, I'm not fully natural blonde, but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Definitely we're now more naturally gray.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
But do you share the same hair, Yes, we do.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Of course the band Harry, I know we do want
to do a hairspray and we'll call it a share
spray because I feel like that's the vibe of what
we do for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Hope you guys have a great time on the road.
Good look at the new music. There they are the
band Perry.

Speaker 7 (01:02:58):
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