March 24, 2026 • 55 mins
Rising country music singer-songwriter Avery Anna sits down with Bobby to talk about the moment viral success changed everything, why the hate comments hit harder than people realize, and how she learned to keep going while figuring out who she is as an artist. She opens up about moving to Nashville at 17, the pressure that came with sudden online attention, and how writing vulnerable songs helped her find her voice. From bathroom covers and TikTok fame to touring, boundaries, and building a career in public, this episode is an honest look at the highs, doubts, and growing pains behind Avery’s rise.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's genuine and authentic will always work for you. And
if you're trying to be something else, if you're trying
to be viral, it's just not going to work. You
just have to say what you want to say and
not just say something to say something.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, guys, welcome to the Bobbycast. We're gonna be talking
with Averyanna, who is a great songwriter, great artist. But
I stumbled across one of her tiktoks where she's playing
an Ozzy Osbourne song and it kind of blew my mind.
So we'll talk to her growing up in Arizona. She's
gonna bring her favorite records and songwriting and how hard
it is to be super vulnerable. So here it is
(00:41):
me the Bobby Cast from Nashville, Tennessee with Averrianna. Avery's
nice to meet you.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I did something with you to get you up here
that I haven't ever done. I saw one TikTok video
and just commented and was like, you have to come up.
And I went back looking before you came in to
look at your TikTok just to see if they was
anything that I want to talk about. I never realized
that you took that message and responded, Yeah, I did that.
(01:08):
You doing Ozzy Osbourne No More Tears? It's so cool.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Did you expect and maybe you did, but I'm not
sure the reaction you got from it. Did you get
a massive reaction of doing that song?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I really did.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's been a big it's been a popular topic of conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Why did you do that song? How did you know
that song? How did you know to do that song?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I just did. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I love Ozzy Osbourne. I grew up on Ozzy Osbourne
in the car with my dad. He's a he's like
a drive fast, listen to some rock music type of guy,
and so we would like whenever we went hunting or
on like a back roads drive, he was like always
just ripping it and playing rock music. So I don't know,
(01:53):
it was just I just wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
One day.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I remember we were touring in Europe and I said
we should cover No More Years after It's just Raining,
because that's ironic. I have a song called It's just
Raining that's like it's delusional. It's like I'm not crying,
It's just raining, and then singing No More Tears after
that it would just be funny, and everyone laughed at me,
except for my guitar player. Everyone was like, oh ah,
(02:16):
like you could never cover that song, and then I did.
And people either love it or they hate it. So
it's been like.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
A war between people hate it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Some people are like, this is awesome. Majority of people
are like this is awesome. But I think I'm getting
like my first hate comments that I've ever gotten in
my life.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know why that's good because that's goods amazing well,
and that means you're also there are so many people,
and once you get to the point of so many
people seeing something, you're just gonna get negative. Right. It
doesn't matter how good.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Right, it's just funny too, because no one really like
you didn't expect it, No one really expects it from me.
Some like a five foot four blonde girl that sings
songs about her x's.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know a couple things. The juxtaposition of yes, yes,
you a five foot four blonde girl that sings about
I was gonna say it like that, right that, and
then also even like what you're wearing because you're like
cool and rte feminine. Yeah, just scirl And then you
have an electric guitar, and I saw people questioning if
you were even playing the song right because they didn't
think that you were playing the song that you were playing.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I think it would be more impressive if I wasn't playing,
because it would be harder to like fake, like it
would really genuinely be harder. But no, I sat down
and it's not It's really not a hard song to play.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It's just like open d.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So you put out the song the live version? Was that?
When did that? When did that become a plan? Did
it get so big where like I have to put
it out now?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
It was just everybody else everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Everyone was talking about it. Everyone since the first video.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Everyone was begging for me to release, like release a
version of it, like let alone a live version of it.
So we just recorded it one day and it was
really fun because my band we have this joke because
I am very I love Butterfly and it's like all
over my branding and just my life. I've always loved
them and like the symbolism of them. And so I
(04:07):
was telling him a story about my sister and I
when we shared a room. We didn't have ac in
our house, and so in the summer, we'd open our
window and the moths would come in and we would
kill the moths with our flip flops. Anyways, long story short,
I told my band that they thought it was funny,
and then they named themselves the moth Cuts, and so
the Mothcuts got a feature on the song and they
were really excited about it to have all of their
(04:30):
moments and their solos and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do you feel like you have to play it every
show now?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah? I mean it's my favorite part of the show.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I know people are excited to like hear my songs,
and I'm excited to play my songs, and they're all
very emotional and really cathartic experience of never really felt
anything like it with this specific album. So No More
Tears is kind of like a moment to I don't know,
kind of get away from that, but also rage at
(04:58):
the same time, which is fun.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Something else that I enjoyed was you are a whistling
You're proficient at whistling. Now, did you get good at
whistling before you started performing or did you think, man,
I could add this to the arsenal if I learned
to whistle.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Right, No, I've just always whistled. My grandpa also taught
me to whistle around the same time you taught me
to play the guitar or the first chord on the guitar.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But I just whistle.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Everywhere I go. It's probably annoying to most people. I'm
sure my team gets sick of me. But I'm just
always whistling.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's hard to whistle though, in a microphone because different
It's like, yeah, because the air of the area, you
could blow into the microphone. Can you whistle? Could you
whistle now?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, can you give me a little.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Okay, I can't laugh.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Wait, wait, I'm getting nervous, Bobby, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Is the key not to blow right into the microphone?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I just go like this, like on stage, I'll be like,
you can like vibrato with it too. It's better when
I'm just like cleaning something my house or like doing
a choice.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It sounds great on stage.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'm not a very good whistler.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
There's a lot of wind that comes out a lot
of wind. Very little whistle.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You say you didn't have an air condition in your house. Yeah,
growing up in Arizona. In Arizona, why did you have
an air condition in your house growing up in Arizona,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Know because I lived in flag Staff, so we have
winters and snow and like a ski resort and stuff.
So it did get cold in the winter, so we
didn't really need one. In the summer, it was blazing hot,
but so what windows are for and we had like
a house fan.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know. I didn't know there were parts of Arizona
that had seasons, right, like my completely uneducated view. And
I've been to obviously Phoenix and Scott's Dell and Tempe. Yeah,
and I've never been to a place where it wasn't
one hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Most people don't really know that seasons exist in Arizona
because they've only ever been to like the Phoenix area,
which is like my least favorite part of Arizona. But
Flagstaff's like we have a mountain and we're forty five
minutes from Sedona. The stars are amazing because fun fact
that they found Pluto there, they like discovered it there.
So there's a bunch of rules about light pollution. So
(07:20):
it was a really beautiful place to grow up. It's
a big part of like who I am.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I think, so people can't have a lot of lights
on because they want people to be able to see
the stars.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So all that, but all like you can't have big
football lights, or if you do, they're like covered, Like
all of your lighting has to be like covered so
that it's reflecting down rather than up.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's gorgeous there.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's really like high school football.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, the lights, well they still have like those big
but they all have to be like covered on the top.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
They can't like go up.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Because they want everybody appreciate the stars, right, and.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
There's an observatory there, so they have to be able
to like look around.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
When did you start doing music, like professionally or just
now just doing it to where it was more than
just something you were tinkering with.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It was always like breathing to me, whether I was
listening or writing or singing, it was just something that
I needed to do.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
When did you start writing songs?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I don't know, probably in like third grade really, yeah.
I remember like my first like legit legit song was
when I was in seventh grade. I liked this boy
and we didn't even he didn't even know I liked him,
I think, and they started liking another girl and I
wrote a song called Fool's Gold about him, and then
I like released it when I was a freshman in
(08:42):
high school and he was like star with the basketball team,
and so everyone called him full scold.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
They're all high school.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Did that ever work out?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
No, but we're like friends and stuff. He's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Do you ever perform that one?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No? Oh, I did it.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I played my hometown flag staff for the first time
this year, and I played it there.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
How do you feel about a song now that you
wrote in seventh grade? Can you appreciate what you were
doing without judging that I how good the song is.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I really look back on songs I wrote like two
weeks ago, and I think I cringe every time. It's
like looking back at old journal entries. I'm just like, wow, really,
But I can also I'm learning to appreciate things for
like the time that they served. I guess, but I
don't know. I'm changing so fast and like evolving so
differently and so much. Especially I'm like, I'm only twenty one,
(09:33):
so it's like every year, I'm like a new person.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
So that'll never change. Yeah, And it will also never
change that you won't look back and cringe as long
as you're growing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, to be cringe just to be free.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So, man, I don't feel free when I'm cringing at
my stuff. I hate it. I have realized though, that
if I don't cringe at it, then I haven't grown
enough from it. Right, So if I look back at
something on television or a joke I wrote, or I
don't really listen to the podcast or radio shows back,
but if I do and I'm like, oh, I like that.
(10:09):
I have that feeling because it lets me know that
I feel I'm better than that now and that I've
grown from that.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well, that's a really good perspective. I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I have to find ways to not want to jump
off ledges, right, And so that's how I've convinced myself
not to jump off the ledge, because it means I
must feel like I'm way better than that and I've
grown from that. Where do you feel like you are
in your career now? Like, if you were to name
this season, give it a title.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This season, I would say this is the season of
like the roots of the Tree. I feel like the
last season that I was in was very It was
lots of connection with strangers and fans and the Leca
Litters was fan inspired and it wasn't just an album,
it was really like everywhere in my life. It was
(10:54):
just a lot of honesty and vulnerability and connecting with
people this season, and I think I'm really like putting
my foot down and saying what I want, which I've
never really been like that ever in my life. I
finally feel like I have a voice and like I
can have the confidence to, like I don't know, be
who I am and embody like my roots.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Really.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Are there any that record came out last in May? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Were there any songs on that record that were so
honest and vulnerable that you thought maybe they were too
honest and vulnerable?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yes, every single one, every single one in different ways
and in different, completely different ways. Because I've always been
a vulnerable writer. That's how I cope. That's how lots
of songwriters cope with just the experiences that they're having
in their lives. But man, every song off of the
last record was not just songs that I felt like
(11:46):
I could relate to, like I felt I was fitting
something off of my chest. I had started like the
Leco letters at my shows a couple of years ago
because I was singing you know, narcissists on stage and
watching people scream it back to me, and it was
really cool because I was like, oh my gosh, people know,
people are knowing my stuff. But at the same time,
(12:07):
it was really sad because that was an experience that
I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy. And all these
people could relate and not only relate, but they were
like sharing their stories with me that were far worse
than anything I've ever experienced. And so I invited people
to just write down one thing they wanted to go
over the show. And I used to say in interviews
that I'd never write about someone else's experiences, and then
(12:30):
I was so wrong, and people shared, you know, the
whole spectrum of things that they struggle with that it's
crazy when someone's given the opportunity to anonymously share like
what they'll say. And so I just remember the whole
time that I was writing the album and thinking about
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it and just preparing for it to be released, I
was like very anxious about it, but at the same
time also very confident in it, and I felt that
it was really important to say even though it was
honestly a lot harder on me and my personal life.
I get my personal life took a toll because of it,
but it was worth it because it created such a
(13:16):
beautiful space for people to like connect. So I remember, like,
even when we wrote Grave and Danny, don't it just
feels very dark and sad. But I don't know, I
think it's good to expose those feelings sometimes because people
don't really talk about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
They're like different levels of vulnerability, and we'll call it
creation because first off, when you're riding with someone, you're
vulnerable with that one or two people. Yeah, if it's
a three way ride or if it's a co ride,
like you kind of have to pour your guts out
in an uncomfortable way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You walk in the room and you're like, so, this
is everything I'm dealing with right now. Like when we
wrote Narcissists, I just opened my journal and I like
read my journal.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
End.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's so hard to do, so.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Weird, especially because I've I'm still very new to town.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
But at the time I was.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Like very very new, and I was in a room
with three like grown men, being like, hey, here's my journal, journal,
and everyone's always like, oh, like are you okay? And
like I'm great because we're like writing about it. So
it's just like that is therapy. It genuinely is. And
I know artists say that all the time, but it's
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like so true.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
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Speaker 2 (14:45):
So that's the first level. The second level is once
you get through that initial what feels like awkwardness to you,
but a special writers that have been around a long time,
they understand the game. Yeah, you don't know what they understand.
At this point. You're just pouring your guts out, hoping
you're not being judged, and in the end you realize
nobody's judging because everybody's been through it, right, But so
you write the song. You get through that, but now
(15:07):
you've recorded it either a work tape or a demo. Yeah,
and so now you've got to play that for people
that weren't part of the right Oh my gosh. And
so now they're hearing for the first time whatever vulnerability
is that you wrote that. Also, it's tough to do.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, I didn't anticipate, Like I didn't anticipate or prepare
myself for like it was one thing to be vulnerable
in the writing room and then that that album or
those songs turn into like kind of a business.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And then at the live show it was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm telling a thousand people that I like want to
die sometimes that's weird.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But not only was I saying that, it was like
everyone in the room had something like had a piece
of each song, so it's really it's special.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And then that final layer of vulnerability is, yeah, I
want to get to release to the public because then
people to and I do this. I'm sure you do
this too. We interpret music differently just from hearing it.
We probably don't know the whole story unless we hear
the artists talk about it. So we're associating, however we
feel about that body of work to the body of work.
And like you said, a lot of people have stories
(16:21):
based off of your version of your story. When I
wrote my first book and even my second book a
little Bit, there's a lot of really personal stuff in there,
and it was extremely cathartic to write it, and it
felt vulnerable, but I was just writing, so nothing's gonna
hurt me if I'm just writing it down and only
I'm reading it. When I gave it to my editor,
(16:42):
I kind of felt, oh, I'm I getting judged. And
I was really anxious before it came out, the first
book came out, because I didn't want people to feel
sorry for me.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, that's a big thing for me too, really big thing.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Like I don't want your sympathy. I'm telling you my
story so hopefully you relate or you find a version
of your story that you can see in me and
understand you're not alone. That type thing. And what I
found was because after I put out my first book,
I wanted and I was toring to and stand up
and I would do meet greets and I was I
wouldn't say there was shame, because I maybe there was
(17:14):
shame that I felt people were judging me more than
because I had no shame what I wrote about, like
my parents dying of drug abuse or what I had
been through. There wasn't shame in what I did. But
hopefully I could get through how people felt about me.
But what I realized was everyone was like the things
that I worried most about, the people were like I
felt that I appreciate that the most right Like the
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things I was most scared of people hearing were the
things that resonated the most with people. I was shocked
by that. Is that how you feel too.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I was actually going to bring that exact thing up.
Is when I felt anxious about a song, I knew
that that was important to release. Because the things that
you feel anxious about people knowing about you, the things
you're ashamed of, It's also very possible that the person
sitting next to you in the same room it's ashamed
of the exact same thing. And I really realized that
with narcissists, but especially Vanilla, it's been a really big one.
(18:07):
It's about like boundaries and saying no as like a girl.
So when I write a song and I'm anxious about
it or kind of makes me feel a little scared,
I know that that's what I should do.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
If I don't, if I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
This is really cool, and I'm just like blah lah lah,
Like maybe this isn't, like, you know, the most important
thing to put on a record?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
How do you do with boundaries?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I used to be terrible, terrible. I was the girl
that was like.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
A people pleaser and I identified in it too, which
is really dangerous because I think it was part of
my personality, especially in high school and just all growing up,
and I felt like the girl that anyone could you know,
come to if they needed help. Also, anyone could you
know someone could run me over with a car and
I'd be like, I'm so sorry, you know. But I
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also didn't want to be perceived as like rude or
bossy or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But now I think.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Music has, in doing it as a job, has really
forced me to like set boundaries. And I think I
used to look at boundaries or like saying no is
being rude or being mean, But now I think it's
like the biggest act of love you could do for somebody,
you know.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And it's incredibly efficient.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It is efficient, and it's really interesting to see now
in my life when I can, I'm able to set boundaries,
like how people react, because I think sometimes if you
set boundaries with people and they're like, they freak out
on you. And I think that kind of goes to
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show who should be in your circle and who you
should kind of keep at an arm's length, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I think that's a great point. The people that respect
my boundaries are the people that I understand are with
me for the right reasons.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yes, totally same.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
The big, big, big lesson this past year for me really, Yeah,
so twenty thirty five was a year of growth.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We're in't twenty six now, right?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So you're already full grown now?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Oh so full grown? No, just kidding.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
No, it's fun to grow and evolve and learn in
all that. So I'm sure this year will be full
of just as many lessons.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But do you ever go downtown to Broadway?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Did you have your phase where you did that?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I don't like. I don't like part of your drinker.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I don't either. But when I moved here, I went
because I thought that's what you did when you moved here.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You know, I moved here when I was seventeen and
I just didn't really like go out.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I mean I wasn't old enough to go in the
bars anyways.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And so you just now are right?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I just yeah, I'm twenty one.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, that's why I was asking, do you when you
turn twenty one? Even though you don't, do you go right?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
If I?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
If I maybe like established that earlier, I mean I
could now yeah, I mean I will be the life
of the party on a diet coke.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So do not drink at all? No, I don't have
I don't I've never had a drink, right, You's.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Why we're best friends.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Have you had a drink?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
No? No, no, no, I've tasted alcohol before.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
How does it taste?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Really bad.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's terrible. It it smells bad.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
It smells bad. It smells like pea. It tastes like
not good. I don't know why people like it.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I know that if I drink, I would drink a
lot because I would do everything right times one hundred, OK.
And I just know I would be like Peanut.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Colatta, boy, Peanut Colada.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It would be I would drink the most fruit fruit drinks,
so I would be down to two slippery slopes. It'd
be like I'd be drinking like crazy. And also it
would be the fruitiest you ever see those like dancing
women that have all the fruit on top of their head.
That'd be what all the drinks will look like that
I would have.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, I would need I would need a lot of sugar.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
In mind, you moved here at seventeen.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I did.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was that if I'm doing the math, was that around COVID.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It was right after COVID, So I moved here.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Did you finish high school? During COVID?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I did Zoom online for half of my junior year
and then I moved July the end of July.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Of twenty twenty one, and I finished my senior year online.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And you just knew you wanted to move to Nashville.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I didn't even know this was a possibility for me.
I didn't think I was that good. I always loved music,
and it was music was more of like a like breathing,
Like I said, for me, it was a very private
thing unless I was singing in church and when I
went viral for singing in the bathtub during COVID. And
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then I got in contact with my managers and I
signed a record deal and I moved like after I
signed a record in that order, in that order, and
within this span of six I got in contact with
my manager's October twenty twenty and then we started releasing
some music. And then I had like every now in hindsight,
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I had like every label in town wanting to meet
with me, and I met with like I think we
did like thirteen Zoom meetings, and then I signed with Warner.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
How do you pick a label when you're only meeting
with them over zoom.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I just I'm a very spiritual person, very like intuitive,
like I trust my gut most of the time. And
I just felt really good about Warner and they just
felt very endearing and like they actually cared about what
I had to say and not just kind of like
wanting to, you know, sign a viral sensation and let
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it be what it is.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
It felt like genuine.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So I signed and then I moved and I didn't
even know, like I knew about the grand of opry,
but I didn't really know that Nashville was like the
place you go to become, you know, a country music star.
I guess I should have known that, but I just
didn't really like put the pieces together in my head.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I didn't even know what I wanted to do with
my life.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And then I was just like this feels right, and
I moved and I lived in the house by myself for.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Like well, I was finishing school. Was seen at seventeen?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Were you emancipated?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
No, my parents are very supportive of me. I just
have three other siblings. They had lives to do and
work to do. And I am self sufficient. I was
just like I just I'm very indecisive. Like I said,
I brought two records. But that was the only decision
in my life that I've ever been like, this is
the right thing to do, and I know it. And
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I remember telling my mom that, and everyone in my family,
like my extended family and our friends and everyone in
my town thought that I was crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And then my parents are crazy for letting me do that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But I think both of my parents and myself just
a lot of peace that it was like the right thing.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I don't know what is Nashville like. When you move
here and start to see other people who are doing
what you're trying to do, it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You would think that it's intimidating, and it is at times,
but I just feel like the little girl inside of
me that wanted to talk to everyone about Patsy Klein
that no one really cared because everyone called me grandma.
Growing up, I just loved the classic country but everyone
here has their own, you know, music taste, and everyone's
really passionate about it, and there's so much talent. It
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was just really like creatively, I was like very very stimulated, and.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I was just starry eyed at it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I'd never even been to the side of the country,
so I didn't know that there's this many trees here.
And I remember I was like driving down the road
and I was like, one of these days, I'm going
to plow down one of these mailboxes and trash cans
because the roads are.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
So narrow too.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's a lot of things that It was a very
big culture shock for me going from Arizona. It's like Tennessee, what.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do you do at eighteen nineteen years old here when
you're living by yourself? When you make friends? Right? Do
you go to songwriter arounds?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
How do you make your circle?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I met a lot of my friends at church, but
it was really hard for me because I wasn't going
to school or anything, so it wasn't like I had
like people my age to socialize with.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I was really just writing all the time with people.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
That were, you know, late twenties, thirties, forties, So all
my friends were way older than me. Because I consider
like the people that I write with my friends and
like my brothers too. So I remember my first co
write was with Ben Williams and Andy Sheridan and they're
still like my big brothers to this day. So that
was really cool. And yeah, I met people at church
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and I like went to the grocery store and didn't
know what to buy and I was like, I bought
in avocado and some apples and beef. I still don't
really know how to cook because I'm touring now and
I don't need you too.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
But yeah, what's it like to go viral?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Looks fabulous, I'm sure you totally understand, But looks fabulous
when you're on the other side of the screen and
when you're looking at all the millions of views and likes,
And it's really cool because it gave me my career,
really did, so I'm really grateful for what it is.
But the adrenaline dump after going viral is a big
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thing too. That was challenging that I wasn't anticipating.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
What do you mean by that.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
It's interesting to.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Go from music being something that you do for fun
to all of the sudden it's your livelihood.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And when you go viral.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's instant gratification. It's very stimulating. You are kind of
on like a cloud nine. And then if your next
video only gets a thousand views rather than two million views,
it's like, oh, if this gave me my success, could
it also take it away? And that that thought was
something that I struggled with a lot in the beginning,
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and I was very conscious of what I was posting
and and trying to, you know, still be as good
as I was when I was megaviral, and I don't know,
you kind of just learn the longer that you do
it that it's just it all comes in waves and
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what's genuine and authentic will always work for you. And
if you're trying to be something else, if you're trying
to be viral, if you're trying to be you know, commercial,
if you're not, if you're trying to be artsy, if
you're not, it's just not going to work. You just
have to really go with your gut and say what
you want to say, and not just say something to say.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Something, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, not just add to your feed because you feel
like you need to add to your.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Feed, right, not just I think that that's a very
it works for a lot of people, and a lot
of people have found success that way. From being consistently
posting every single day, like three videos a day, and
I had a lot of pressure to do that very
early on, and it just it's just not right and
it's not natural for people to like, surely no one
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has something to say three times a day.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now I don't, and I have to talk for six hours.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
A day, and I feel very It sucked the creativity
out of me until I realized how to set boundaries
with it.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's got to be messing with your mind. When you
crush crush and then you do a video, you think
it's probably even better than the ones that crushed, and
it doesn't. Yeah, And I get in that trap too,
where I'll do a couple even thematically does great, does great? Oh,
this one's even better and it does way worse, And
then I start to question do I even know what
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I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
It's so interesting too, because sometimes a song will do
really well live for me, and it'll be a really big,
like a really big moment in the show, and then
online it won't translate.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I just decided that I'm going to speak when I
have something to say, and post when I have something
to post that is of quality. That's one of my
resolutions this year.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Whenever you sang in the bathtub, did that pop the
first time?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It was at like ten million views, I think, and
I was honestly, I never would have posted my singing
on TikTok if it weren't for COVID, because I was
very conscious of what people thought about me.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And did you sing in public at all?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I did. I did a talent show one time.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh you're talking one time, So it wasn't something you
were young.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I've never played a show before this. I'd never played
the show. I wasn't gigging.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean I was.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I sang in church, but I come from a very
you know, traditional reverend church. It wasn't like worship band.
It was like in a piano, yeah, hymns.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
It was very sacred, and so music has always been
really sacred to me. So for that to go, you know,
from that to this is it's crazy. It's literally insane
for me.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Was it one of those where you posted and then
you didn't realize it was so viral and then you
look at your phone or did you have your notifications
on where you could tell you could like feel it.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I've always had my notifications off for social media. But
I remember I sang say something in the bathtub and.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Lady aga no, no, Christina agular.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I say something great, big world, but she's.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
She sang it with them, Yes, got it? I say that,
say something and on you yeah yeah, yeah got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And it was just very It was a place I
sang in the bathroom because that was the one place
in the house that no one was in. And I have,
like I said, three siblings, and everyone was doing their
and I was supposed to be doing my school, but
I would just like mute. I remember it was always
during culinary I'd meet my culinary class on zoom and
just sing in the bathtub and the acoustics were good
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in there, and my parents have a luxurious bathtub. And
then it went viral, and I didn't want to tell
my mom because I was like, surely she'll tell me
I needed to lead TikTok, Like she.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Didn't even know TikTok was a thing.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And so my cousin was living with us at the time,
she was going to college at NAU and it was
at like eight million views and it had been like
a couple of days, I think, and she was like
test I've been trying to go viral on TikTok for
months now, and Avery just went viral, like this is
really huge, this is cool, She's gonna be famous.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And my mom was.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Like, those aren't real people like you guys are so killy.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
She's like, that's just the Internet.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Those aren't like real people. And I think she was
in denial because she was like, what is happening? And
then I just kept post singing it kept going viral.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And what'd you do second?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I don't know. I think I did a Harry Styles cover.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Were you thinking about it a lot on your second one?
Or was it just let me just pick something?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
No, I wasn't even thinking, Like.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
My brain was not business calculated at all at all.
I'm not an ounce of it in my body. I
was just like, this is fun. This song makes me
want to cry.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Let's sing it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
You know when that first video popped, were managers or
labels in your dms already or was it a couple
or few as I didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Check my dms, But it was like a week or
two after I was like, oh, like this major record
label just DMT, they want to meet. And I remember
I had just ignored them or kept saying no to people.
And I just got one DM from David Fanning and
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I don't know what it was about it, but I
felt like like I just felt like I needed to reply,
and I replied with like, how much money is this
going to cost me? And he was like nothing, Like
if anyone says it's going to cost you anything, like
run the other way. And then I met with him
and it just the rest is history. I can't even
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it went so fast. It was just like the blink
of an eye.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Did the Parma League guys put David Fanning onto you?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
They did? They were they were like scrolling through TikTok
with David.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I think they they were at his house or on
the bus maybe I can't remember, but Matt was like,
this girl's really good. You should check her out. And
then David dammed me. And then Parmally, it was full circle.
Parmally had me feature on a song Forget You on
their album, and that was really cool for me because
I've been listening to their music since they started.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I think you said a minute ago you were in
a culinary class on zoom, but then you said, way
before that, you did know how.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
To cook I still do not a cook like I can.
I think I could if I needed to. But people
always as like what I eat or what I what
I ate? When I first moved here, like what did
I cook for myself? And I genuinely don't know?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
But you weren't. You take in a coulinary?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
But it was also on I.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Would pause it so I could sing, Oh, how do
you pause a zoom?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I just turn off my camera in the mic and I.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Turned this and let them just keep going, and you
would just sing, right, got it? That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I guess maybe I should make up lost time and
take a culinary class one of these days.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
No, at this point, you got enough going on, right,
You don't have to worry about that. Are you on
a bus yet?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I was for this last tour, which was the first
game changer, right, game changer? It was the first time
I I.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Thought about that, like, not just the bus, but I
don't unless you've been in it. It's hard to understand
how much easier the bus makes life and why people
just don't grab buses because they're so expensive.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
People don't comprehend the difference between like van touring and
bus touring.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And tell me about ban touring.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
So before van touring, I was driving around in my
suv around the country, opening for like Josh Turner and
Martina mcbre and Chase Rice and playing my piano and
queuing like tracks on my own, which I will never
do that again. It was a time it was like
a piano recital for people before they you know, we're
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singing songs about beer, so it's really funny. But after that, yeah,
I had a band for the first time, which was
really cool. And when you tour in a van, you
you drive in the morning, you play the show, and
right after the show if you're not you know, sometimes
I would go on stage and sing with the artist
I was opening for. But then you drive through the
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night too and depending on the routing, which my routing
was always kind of kind of rocky. Remember there was
a show we drove. We were in New York and
had to drive to I think it was Michigan for
a festival.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
And you guys have to drive and we had to.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I also was like, I know how to pull a
trailer a group doing that with horses and everything, and
there was only it was me and my guitar player
and my drummer for a while, shifting, shifting, and people
don't realize it takes a while to like find a team.
It takes a while to find a band, especially if
you don't grow up with people like playing music.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
A lot of a lot of artists get the luxury
of like.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Growing up with the people around them and the cruise
and the band and everything. But I didn't know anybody,
so it took me a while to like find people
that fit. And so yeah, we ended up driving like
through the entire night, and we played the show late
at night, and then the next show was the festival.
So it was at like three. I was playing in
a tent and you're exhausted, and I had no I
had no sleep. I didn't sleep, and I got ready
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in the passenger seat of the band. In the mirror
was like this big and I remember that show. My
guitar strap like came off while I was playing the
rock chorus of It's Just Raining, and I like held
it up with my leg. I was just holding out
for dear life. And it went by and I was
like sleep deprived, and I was like, dang, the day
I go viral is the day I had no sleep.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So when you get a bus, how much does everything
change everything?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Oh my gosh, this tour was so fun. You have
time to like, I don't know. I was always worried about,
you know, parking the trailer or fixing the truck's rig
or loading in with the guys and like helping him
set up, just because like there was only ever two
of them. And so now it's like I had eleven people.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
On the bus and a bus driver and a bus.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Driver and he was amazing. He was so awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And you get to sleep in the bus on a ball.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Sleep in the bus on a bunk.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You if you want to go banana, there's.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Like you can wake up and walk around, or you
can sleep until two if you want to, or you
can you know, I always have a really hard time
falling asleep after a show because the adrenaline is so
high and and so I stay up really late on
the bus. Everyone goes to bed and I sit in
the room and like journal and I can read my scriptures.
In a van, you're just like sleep deprived and taking
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shifts driving and yeah, and you smell and.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
The bus still smells. Don't get me wrong. That's what
we have.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Essentral oils for depending on how many dudes are in
the bus.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yes, lots, lots of guys. We had four girls in
the crew though, so which was really fun.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Do girls this is a question. I don't know if
I feel comorb asking, but as a guy, when we
would have a bus and there's seven or eight, there's
there are bathroom rules, you don't go on the bus. Yeah.
Do girls have that rule?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You do? Yeah, okay, uh yeah, I don't know, because
you guys aren't gross like us.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Well, girls poop too, you.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Know, I know, but I didn't know. Guys are just
guys are gross.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Guys are gross. Luckily, my crew hygiene is good. Girls.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I would say guys are dirty and girls are messy,
and those are two very different, you know, types of clean.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Have you thought about writing that song girls poop too?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Girls poop too? I could totally write that song. I know.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Just the people to call that is. I think that's
a number.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
One unless you're touring though, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I just think it's a number one. Sometimes I hear
and I'm like, girls poop too, that's a hit.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
If a guy is like, can't stand the fact that
girls like poop or have a period.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I'm like, I don't know about you.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I don't mind the period, yeah, but I don't like
my wife. Yeah, and I'll go. I've never been afraid
to buy Tampa, no problem with that. I don't like
my wife to see me even do poopy stuff. I
don't even I don't even like to it's bathroom too,
I don't just generally speaking, I don't like bathroom. So
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it's not about her because she's so much. My wife
is so free and she's just like the body's the body.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
It's just like I'm gonna tell you if she needs
to go. Yeah, I'm the weird one, right, that's okay,
that's all right.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I don't And I even call a bathroom talk and
she's like, you're you're not eight.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Right, Well, you take me as a guy that like
your car is clean, and like.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
It's my car. If it's dirty, it's a little bit messy,
it's never dirty. Right, So if you went right now,
there's there's a bag from Aloe in the back that
I took all the stuff out, but the bag is
still there and probably like an empty sonic cup and
they're putting it and that's like dirty right beside each other, right, So.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
For me, like I won't have like sticky stuff in
my car, Like there will never be like sticky stething. No,
I like I will throw food away and stuff like
I'm not dirty, but you've messed met like my whole
closets in the backseat of my car.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You know, that's kind of a nature of the job though, too.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
My girl, and I also, I'm yeah, I changed my
out for a lot.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
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Speaker 2 (41:51):
Something that I struggled with whenever things started to work
for me was all the money I was expected to
spend on clothes.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Oh my gosh, I could write a novel about this, seriously,
because I didn't grow up buying clothes, and so I've
never known like my style was handy downs, and like
I've always liked if it looks like it came from
my grandma's closet, That's what I like. And so it
still translates in my style, especially on stage, to this day.
But I went from, you know, living off of handy
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downs to like, all of a sudden, I need to
buy outfit on stage that makes me look like an
artist and makes me look cool, but also something that's
comfortable to like move around in. And yeah, I found
myself not feeling comfortable with spending money on clothes. It
felt like a sin. And now I just am like,
if I like it, and I know I'm going to
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look back at photos or videos of me in it
and like it, then I just need to buy it.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I got a step ahead of it because it was
so odd for me to buy clothes for red carpets
or television. And I got fortunate too. I had certain
shows that would give me budgets for clothes, and so
I buy the clothes that i'd never spend all and
keep the rest of the money. Greatest scheme ever. The
second part was I when I was doing a lot
of stand up, I wore a uniform. It's because I
don't want to buy different clothes, so I wore the
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same clothes every night. And people thought, Wow, look at him.
He's really strategic and what a brand. I just didn't
want to buy clothes.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
No, Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I do admire like even with Megan or Taylor Swift,
and they have like an outfit, like that's their outfit
for the tour.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I have yet to be there.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I'm also in decisive so I don't know if I
could wear one outfit for like a whole tour.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Do you get the Megan Maroney comparisons all.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
The time, Yeah, which is so funny, especially in the beginning,
But it's so funny because we're two completely different, like
completely different.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Lanes and so blonde hair.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Really that's songs about the ex'es is, but.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's the vulnerability and the blonde hair.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm honored to be compared to Megan, and I've been
compared to to Taylor Swift and to Stevie Nix, and
I feel like people find a hard time like pinpointing,
like who to compare me to? So I've heard like
a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I feel like Megan Maroney is the best young songwriter
that's an artist.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
She's very a very classic songwriter. She embodies a lot
of that classic country and.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
It's very.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
It's very uh like it is like poetry, like it's
gonna rhyme, it's gonna fit, it's going to be like
a system.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, she's really a genius, and she's a marketing.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Genius too, very specific, very specific to her yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Which I think there's a real art to that. Yeah,
because you could be so specific and think, well, no
one's going to understand this, yeah, Or you can be
very specific and have the confidence to go someone's gonna
find their story in my specificity right totally, which I
feel like you do that too. Though when I say that,
I feel like you do that too. I'm very song.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
With my songwriting. I also am not like married one sound.
I feel like Megan is like she has created her sound.
I have like five different sounds, and I think that's
it's a strength and a downfall for me because I
don't really have like I wish that I was more
calculated than I am, and I wish that I could
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be like, this is the sound for this album, it's
gonna be this one genre. I'm gonna wear this one color.
But I just don't function like that, and I think
if I did, I would feel like I was in
a jail.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Cell. I think you'll get there though, or I think
you maybe. Yeah, I think you'll get to a point
that you you've figured out a strategy right for it.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
It's funny because it's harder for people to figure out
like my brand and like what my specific sound is
and my.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
If I were to ask you, I I am just me.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
And it's hard to I think it will take me
releasing more music to really establish that and like paint
my own life. But it's been very adamant that like
I should just pick country or pick rock or pick
old school inde, you.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
It is old school, but it's funny because you'd think
that that would be old school, and especially within or not.
Like I mean, people listen to all genres and so yeah,
I'm just an Arizona girl that likes to sing sad songs.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
What instrument did you play? First?
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Piano? Yeah, I took lessons when I was younger, and
I never practice and I still can't read music. I
would like do piano recitals with my sister and she
would get every note perfect and she would practice. She
was good and she doesn't play anymore, but I would
just be like my pianos. I'd I'd miss a couple
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notes and just like laugh about it and be done.
But I quit when I was I think in sixth grade,
and then I really like taught myself after that because
I would look up like songs that I liked to play,
and I would zoom it on people's fingers and then
just copy it. But my grandpa, he's like he hears
everything by ear. He's like he can't read music, but
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he just does everything by year. And I think that's
where I got that from.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
When did you play guitar?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I think I was in sixth grade as well.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Did you ask for a guitar?
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, for Christmas? I did.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Did you take to it immediately?
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I learned the ukulele and then I like committed to
zooming it on people's fingers on YouTube to learn the guitar.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
A lot of zooming.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I'm sure I could have. I'm sure I could, Yes,
lots of zooming. I'm sure I could have done an
easier way to learn, But I don't know why in
my mind that was like the way that I needed
to do it.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
So your last record came out in May. I assume
you've written a ton of songs.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, I've I have some.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, there's been a lot of different sounds that I've
played around with. But I think this year I've finally
like decided a little more specifically on what I want thinks.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Of Lane a little bit painting my lane.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
And I'm also I feel like I finally have a voice.
Not that anyone ever tried to take my voice away
or no, like no one ever tried to like shut
me up.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
But I just.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Didn't really know how to like set the boundaries and
say what I wanted. And now I feel like I
finally do like a letters. It was like the first
time I ever like played with that. Yeah, But now
I I feel like I know what I want to say,
and I've got some songs that give me a lot
of anxiety and a lot of scared feelings.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
And yeah, I feel like you dancing and all the
lanes will help you realize what lane you're supposed to
be in. Yeah, And also you can always change lanes.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Right, And I've always loved, Yeah, I've always loved so
many different genres of music, and I've appreciated artists of
you know, all decades. And I don't know, there is
a piece of me and a lot of different genres,
and so yeah, I guess I just have to like
tiptoe through them.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
But let's do mount rushmore favorite artists ever? Pay four? Okay,
Patsy Clin, Can I do bands?
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah's Cline lumineers, my gosh, probably, I mean I have
to say.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Taylor Swift, she like you don't have to say that.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I do, though, because she's such a big part of
my that.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Would be a reason they say that. Yes, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Have I think right now, Noah Kahn.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
And that's four. You can't add anymore. Who are you
gonna say, though? If there was another head that was
being sculpted on the mountain.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Willie Nelson and Kimmy Rhodes together singing I just drove.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
By Man, you are really specific on that one.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, it was like the first song I ever learned,
and that's the go to with my grandpa. He dementia,
so he only remembers certain songs.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
There's a couple of Patsy ones and that one, though,
is like it's like shaped me as a person. It's
like the core of my my being.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
What song do you think you've covered the most?
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Probably hymns, probably like Amazing Grace. I've sang that one
in a couple of shows when I felt like I
needed to. Oh my gosh, I sing love Stories so much.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
The fans love it.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Not the hymn the tailor sweast the tailor sweat. Yeah,
basically different kind of hymn, basically.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Him for the girls or the guys or the gaye
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, I sang.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I think I've sang that one for like two years
on tour because people love it, and I don't know,
I can't find a song that I could cover that
does as well as that one. Besides maybe No More
Tears now, so I'm sure I'll do that one for
longer than I did Love Story.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
What I hope doesn't happen before I get to my
last question, is that No More Tears hits for you
so hard in a way that you get annoyed that
you have to play it in two years.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
I don't know if I could ever get annoyed with it.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
I hope you don't.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I think I I think I dump a lot of
angry feelings into that when I sing it, like I
really just let it all rip. And I'm not really
like an angry person because I stuff my angry feelings down,
and so I don't know if I'll ever not.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Have Well, that doesn't feel healthy though, just just that's healthy.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
I know I'm a walking red flag, like I'm very aware,
so but that I don't know if I'll never like
enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Final question, what is your final death?
Speaker 5 (51:55):
Row?
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Meal?
Speaker 3 (51:58):
A stake, sat mac and cheese.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
This is so weird, but I love beet salads and
peach cobbler.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Not a beat guy.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
I've never been a beat girl. I thought they were
always gross. My dad always loved them, and now I
just like them. I don't they taste like they do?
Taste like earth a little bit.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
That's a good. Yeah, what's a beat taste like earth?
He nailed it.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, tastes like earth I have. I didn't have it, say,
moved here. I didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
What about sweet tea.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Or no, I've no, I don't drink sweet tea. I've
tasted it. I didn't love it. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
I wouldn't say it's an acquired taste. But it's all
I drank. I'm from Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
It's sweet, right, you know it's a very cool thing.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Did you ever have kool Aid?
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:47):
I did, but it wasn't like a I have more
precense than kolated But yeah, they're like grits and okra
and or bread grits.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
I didn't. Yeah, very it was a big culture. Chocolate
food too, and barbecue.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Was really good out here, was it not there?
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I mean there's no barbecue places and Flox staff. No,
but my dad always like, you know, cook to the meats.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
So what's the goal this year? Give me a goal
at the end of the year, you want to say
that at the.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
End of the year, I want to say I really
introduced myself for the first time, because I've established that,
you know, I'm a songwriter and vulnerable songwriter, and I
connected a lot with the fans this past year with
legal letters and the meaning of it and touring and
just really creating like a community. And I think it's
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time for me to like really show people who I
am and what I believe in, where I came from,
what I think is important enough to say and put
on a record. And so this year, I hope by
the end of the year I could say that I
really like established and planted my roots and you know,
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gave a good introduction.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
That's super cool.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Yeah, excited.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Well, I'm glad you came by.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Thank you. It's nice to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
I'm a fan and I was watching some of your
oppery stuff too. When it happened, I would just see,
you know small. I mean, I'm kind of exposed to everything,
so nothing really pops ever ye ever. Ever. And then
when I saw no more tears, I hope you take
this the right way, I was like, Oh, that's girl
sing in the bathtub. Wow, that's completely different.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
And then I thought, man, I gotta see what she's about.
So yeah, I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah really awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Well I'm rooting for you, not that you need I
do need it.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I need it more than ever. Will you ever back
in the bathtub and sing again?
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Of course? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
If I get a luxurious clofet bathtub of my own,
nice to probably make some money first.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
So okay, when you make money and you get an
independent bathtub.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
And cloff at bathtub and I will have a big
one stained glass window.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Oh you're going now, you do extra. You always go extra.
It's like your fifth Mountaine person.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
I'm extra.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yes, great to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Good to talk to you too.
Speaker 5 (55:02):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production
What's genuine and authentic will always work for you. And
if you're trying to be something else, if you're trying
to be viral, it's just not going to work. You
just have to say what you want to say and
not just say something to say something.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, guys, welcome to the Bobbycast. We're gonna be talking
with Averyanna, who is a great songwriter, great artist. But
I stumbled across one of her tiktoks where she's playing
an Ozzy Osbourne song and it kind of blew my mind.
So we'll talk to her growing up in Arizona. She's
gonna bring her favorite records and songwriting and how hard
it is to be super vulnerable. So here it is
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me the Bobby Cast from Nashville, Tennessee with Averrianna. Avery's
nice to meet you.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I did something with you to get you up here
that I haven't ever done. I saw one TikTok video
and just commented and was like, you have to come up.
And I went back looking before you came in to
look at your TikTok just to see if they was
anything that I want to talk about. I never realized
that you took that message and responded, Yeah, I did that.
(01:08):
You doing Ozzy Osbourne No More Tears? It's so cool.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Did you expect and maybe you did, but I'm not
sure the reaction you got from it. Did you get
a massive reaction of doing that song?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I really did.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's been a big it's been a popular topic of conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Why did you do that song? How did you know
that song? How did you know to do that song?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I just did. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I love Ozzy Osbourne. I grew up on Ozzy Osbourne
in the car with my dad. He's a he's like
a drive fast, listen to some rock music type of guy,
and so we would like whenever we went hunting or
on like a back roads drive, he was like always
just ripping it and playing rock music. So I don't know,
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it was just I just wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
One day.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I remember we were touring in Europe and I said
we should cover No More Years after It's just Raining,
because that's ironic. I have a song called It's just
Raining that's like it's delusional. It's like I'm not crying,
It's just raining, and then singing No More Tears after
that it would just be funny, and everyone laughed at me,
except for my guitar player. Everyone was like, oh ah,
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like you could never cover that song, and then I did.
And people either love it or they hate it. So
it's been like.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
A war between people hate it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Some people are like, this is awesome. Majority of people
are like this is awesome. But I think I'm getting
like my first hate comments that I've ever gotten in
my life.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know why that's good because that's goods amazing well,
and that means you're also there are so many people,
and once you get to the point of so many
people seeing something, you're just gonna get negative. Right. It
doesn't matter how good.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Right, it's just funny too, because no one really like
you didn't expect it, No one really expects it from me.
Some like a five foot four blonde girl that sings
songs about her x's.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
You know a couple things. The juxtaposition of yes, yes,
you a five foot four blonde girl that sings about
I was gonna say it like that, right that, and
then also even like what you're wearing because you're like
cool and rte feminine. Yeah, just scirl And then you
have an electric guitar, and I saw people questioning if
you were even playing the song right because they didn't
think that you were playing the song that you were playing.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I think it would be more impressive if I wasn't playing,
because it would be harder to like fake, like it
would really genuinely be harder. But no, I sat down
and it's not It's really not a hard song to play.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
It's just like open d.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So you put out the song the live version? Was that?
When did that? When did that become a plan? Did
it get so big where like I have to put
it out now?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
It was just everybody else everyone.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Everyone was talking about it. Everyone since the first video.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Everyone was begging for me to release, like release a
version of it, like let alone a live version of it.
So we just recorded it one day and it was
really fun because my band we have this joke because
I am very I love Butterfly and it's like all
over my branding and just my life. I've always loved
them and like the symbolism of them. And so I
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was telling him a story about my sister and I
when we shared a room. We didn't have ac in
our house, and so in the summer, we'd open our
window and the moths would come in and we would
kill the moths with our flip flops. Anyways, long story short,
I told my band that they thought it was funny,
and then they named themselves the moth Cuts, and so
the Mothcuts got a feature on the song and they
were really excited about it to have all of their
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moments and their solos and stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Do you feel like you have to play it every
show now?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah? I mean it's my favorite part of the show.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I know people are excited to like hear my songs,
and I'm excited to play my songs, and they're all
very emotional and really cathartic experience of never really felt
anything like it with this specific album. So No More
Tears is kind of like a moment to I don't know,
kind of get away from that, but also rage at
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the same time, which is fun.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Something else that I enjoyed was you are a whistling
You're proficient at whistling. Now, did you get good at
whistling before you started performing or did you think, man,
I could add this to the arsenal if I learned
to whistle.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Right, No, I've just always whistled. My grandpa also taught
me to whistle around the same time you taught me
to play the guitar or the first chord on the guitar.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But I just whistle.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Everywhere I go. It's probably annoying to most people. I'm
sure my team gets sick of me. But I'm just
always whistling.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
It's hard to whistle though, in a microphone because different
It's like, yeah, because the air of the area, you
could blow into the microphone. Can you whistle? Could you
whistle now?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, can you give me a little.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Okay, I can't laugh.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Wait, wait, I'm getting nervous, Bobby, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Is the key not to blow right into the microphone?
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I just go like this, like on stage, I'll be like,
you can like vibrato with it too. It's better when
I'm just like cleaning something my house or like doing
a choice.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It sounds great on stage.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'm not a very good whistler.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
There's a lot of wind that comes out a lot
of wind. Very little whistle.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You say you didn't have an air condition in your house. Yeah,
growing up in Arizona. In Arizona, why did you have
an air condition in your house growing up in Arizona,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Know because I lived in flag Staff, so we have
winters and snow and like a ski resort and stuff.
So it did get cold in the winter, so we
didn't really need one. In the summer, it was blazing hot,
but so what windows are for and we had like
a house fan.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know. I didn't know there were parts of Arizona
that had seasons, right, like my completely uneducated view. And
I've been to obviously Phoenix and Scott's Dell and Tempe. Yeah,
and I've never been to a place where it wasn't
one hundred and ten degrees.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Most people don't really know that seasons exist in Arizona
because they've only ever been to like the Phoenix area,
which is like my least favorite part of Arizona. But
Flagstaff's like we have a mountain and we're forty five
minutes from Sedona. The stars are amazing because fun fact
that they found Pluto there, they like discovered it there.
So there's a bunch of rules about light pollution. So
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it was a really beautiful place to grow up. It's
a big part of like who I am.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I think, so people can't have a lot of lights
on because they want people to be able to see
the stars.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So all that, but all like you can't have big
football lights, or if you do, they're like covered, Like
all of your lighting has to be like covered so
that it's reflecting down rather than up.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's gorgeous there.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's really like high school football.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, the lights, well they still have like those big
but they all have to be like covered on the top.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
They can't like go up.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Because they want everybody appreciate the stars, right, and.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
There's an observatory there, so they have to be able
to like look around.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
When did you start doing music, like professionally or just
now just doing it to where it was more than
just something you were tinkering with.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It was always like breathing to me, whether I was
listening or writing or singing, it was just something that
I needed to do.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
When did you start writing songs?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I don't know, probably in like third grade really, yeah.
I remember like my first like legit legit song was
when I was in seventh grade. I liked this boy
and we didn't even he didn't even know I liked him,
I think, and they started liking another girl and I
wrote a song called Fool's Gold about him, and then
I like released it when I was a freshman in
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high school and he was like star with the basketball team,
and so everyone called him full scold.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
They're all high school.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Did that ever work out?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
No, but we're like friends and stuff. He's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Do you ever perform that one?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No? Oh, I did it.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I played my hometown flag staff for the first time
this year, and I played it there.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
How do you feel about a song now that you
wrote in seventh grade? Can you appreciate what you were
doing without judging that I how good the song is.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
I really look back on songs I wrote like two
weeks ago, and I think I cringe every time. It's
like looking back at old journal entries. I'm just like, wow, really,
But I can also I'm learning to appreciate things for
like the time that they served. I guess, but I
don't know. I'm changing so fast and like evolving so
differently and so much. Especially I'm like, I'm only twenty one,
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so it's like every year, I'm like a new person.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
So that'll never change. Yeah, And it will also never
change that you won't look back and cringe as long
as you're growing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, to be cringe just to be free.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So, man, I don't feel free when I'm cringing at
my stuff. I hate it. I have realized though, that
if I don't cringe at it, then I haven't grown
enough from it. Right, So if I look back at
something on television or a joke I wrote, or I
don't really listen to the podcast or radio shows back,
but if I do and I'm like, oh, I like that.
(10:09):
I have that feeling because it lets me know that
I feel I'm better than that now and that I've
grown from that.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Well, that's a really good perspective. I love that.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I have to find ways to not want to jump
off ledges, right, And so that's how I've convinced myself
not to jump off the ledge, because it means I
must feel like I'm way better than that and I've
grown from that. Where do you feel like you are
in your career now? Like, if you were to name
this season, give it a title.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
This season, I would say this is the season of
like the roots of the Tree. I feel like the
last season that I was in was very It was
lots of connection with strangers and fans and the Leca
Litters was fan inspired and it wasn't just an album,
it was really like everywhere in my life. It was
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just a lot of honesty and vulnerability and connecting with
people this season, and I think I'm really like putting
my foot down and saying what I want, which I've
never really been like that ever in my life. I
finally feel like I have a voice and like I
can have the confidence to, like I don't know, be
who I am and embody like my roots.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Really.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Are there any that record came out last in May? Right?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Were there any songs on that record that were so
honest and vulnerable that you thought maybe they were too
honest and vulnerable?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yes, every single one, every single one in different ways
and in different, completely different ways. Because I've always been
a vulnerable writer. That's how I cope. That's how lots
of songwriters cope with just the experiences that they're having
in their lives. But man, every song off of the
last record was not just songs that I felt like
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I could relate to, like I felt I was fitting
something off of my chest. I had started like the
Leco letters at my shows a couple of years ago
because I was singing you know, narcissists on stage and
watching people scream it back to me, and it was
really cool because I was like, oh my gosh, people know,
people are knowing my stuff. But at the same time,
(12:07):
it was really sad because that was an experience that
I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy. And all these
people could relate and not only relate, but they were
like sharing their stories with me that were far worse
than anything I've ever experienced. And so I invited people
to just write down one thing they wanted to go
over the show. And I used to say in interviews
that I'd never write about someone else's experiences, and then
(12:30):
I was so wrong, and people shared, you know, the
whole spectrum of things that they struggle with that it's
crazy when someone's given the opportunity to anonymously share like
what they'll say. And so I just remember the whole
time that I was writing the album and thinking about
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it and just preparing for it to be released, I
was like very anxious about it, but at the same
time also very confident in it, and I felt that
it was really important to say even though it was
honestly a lot harder on me and my personal life.
I get my personal life took a toll because of it,
but it was worth it because it created such a
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beautiful space for people to like connect. So I remember, like,
even when we wrote Grave and Danny, don't it just
feels very dark and sad. But I don't know, I
think it's good to expose those feelings sometimes because people
don't really talk about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
They're like different levels of vulnerability, and we'll call it
creation because first off, when you're riding with someone, you're
vulnerable with that one or two people. Yeah, if it's
a three way ride or if it's a co ride,
like you kind of have to pour your guts out
in an uncomfortable way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
You walk in the room and you're like, so, this
is everything I'm dealing with right now. Like when we
wrote Narcissists, I just opened my journal and I like
read my journal.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
End.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's so hard to do, so.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Weird, especially because I've I'm still very new to town.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
But at the time I was.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Like very very new, and I was in a room
with three like grown men, being like, hey, here's my journal, journal,
and everyone's always like, oh, like are you okay? And
like I'm great because we're like writing about it. So
it's just like that is therapy. It genuinely is. And
I know artists say that all the time, but it's
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like so true.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
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Speaker 2 (14:45):
So that's the first level. The second level is once
you get through that initial what feels like awkwardness to you,
but a special writers that have been around a long time,
they understand the game. Yeah, you don't know what they understand.
At this point. You're just pouring your guts out, hoping
you're not being judged, and in the end you realize
nobody's judging because everybody's been through it, right, But so
you write the song. You get through that, but now
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you've recorded it either a work tape or a demo. Yeah,
and so now you've got to play that for people
that weren't part of the right Oh my gosh. And
so now they're hearing for the first time whatever vulnerability
is that you wrote that. Also, it's tough to do.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, I didn't anticipate, Like I didn't anticipate or prepare
myself for like it was one thing to be vulnerable
in the writing room and then that that album or
those songs turn into like kind of a business.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And then at the live show it was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm telling a thousand people that I like want to
die sometimes that's weird.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But not only was I saying that, it was like
everyone in the room had something like had a piece
of each song, so it's really it's special.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And then that final layer of vulnerability is, yeah, I
want to get to release to the public because then
people to and I do this. I'm sure you do
this too. We interpret music differently just from hearing it.
We probably don't know the whole story unless we hear
the artists talk about it. So we're associating, however we
feel about that body of work to the body of work.
And like you said, a lot of people have stories
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based off of your version of your story. When I
wrote my first book and even my second book a
little Bit, there's a lot of really personal stuff in there,
and it was extremely cathartic to write it, and it
felt vulnerable, but I was just writing, so nothing's gonna
hurt me if I'm just writing it down and only
I'm reading it. When I gave it to my editor,
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I kind of felt, oh, I'm I getting judged. And
I was really anxious before it came out, the first
book came out, because I didn't want people to feel
sorry for me.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, that's a big thing for me too, really big thing.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Like I don't want your sympathy. I'm telling you my
story so hopefully you relate or you find a version
of your story that you can see in me and
understand you're not alone. That type thing. And what I
found was because after I put out my first book,
I wanted and I was toring to and stand up
and I would do meet greets and I was I
wouldn't say there was shame, because I maybe there was
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shame that I felt people were judging me more than
because I had no shame what I wrote about, like
my parents dying of drug abuse or what I had
been through. There wasn't shame in what I did. But
hopefully I could get through how people felt about me.
But what I realized was everyone was like the things
that I worried most about, the people were like I
felt that I appreciate that the most right Like the
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things I was most scared of people hearing were the
things that resonated the most with people. I was shocked
by that. Is that how you feel too.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I was actually going to bring that exact thing up.
Is when I felt anxious about a song, I knew
that that was important to release. Because the things that
you feel anxious about people knowing about you, the things
you're ashamed of, It's also very possible that the person
sitting next to you in the same room it's ashamed
of the exact same thing. And I really realized that
with narcissists, but especially Vanilla, it's been a really big one.
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It's about like boundaries and saying no as like a girl.
So when I write a song and I'm anxious about
it or kind of makes me feel a little scared,
I know that that's what I should do.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
If I don't, if I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
This is really cool, and I'm just like blah lah lah,
Like maybe this isn't, like, you know, the most important
thing to put on a record?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
How do you do with boundaries?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I used to be terrible, terrible. I was the girl
that was like.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
A people pleaser and I identified in it too, which
is really dangerous because I think it was part of
my personality, especially in high school and just all growing up,
and I felt like the girl that anyone could you know,
come to if they needed help. Also, anyone could you
know someone could run me over with a car and
I'd be like, I'm so sorry, you know. But I
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also didn't want to be perceived as like rude or
bossy or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
But now I think.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Music has, in doing it as a job, has really
forced me to like set boundaries. And I think I
used to look at boundaries or like saying no is
being rude or being mean, But now I think it's
like the biggest act of love you could do for somebody,
you know.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And it's incredibly efficient.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It is efficient, and it's really interesting to see now
in my life when I can, I'm able to set boundaries,
like how people react, because I think sometimes if you
set boundaries with people and they're like, they freak out
on you. And I think that kind of goes to
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show who should be in your circle and who you
should kind of keep at an arm's length, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I think that's a great point. The people that respect
my boundaries are the people that I understand are with
me for the right reasons.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yes, totally same.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
The big, big, big lesson this past year for me really, Yeah,
so twenty thirty five was a year of growth.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We're in't twenty six now, right?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So you're already full grown now?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Oh so full grown? No, just kidding.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
No, it's fun to grow and evolve and learn in
all that. So I'm sure this year will be full
of just as many lessons.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But do you ever go downtown to Broadway?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Did you have your phase where you did that?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I don't like. I don't like part of your drinker.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I don't either. But when I moved here, I went
because I thought that's what you did when you moved here.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You know, I moved here when I was seventeen and
I just didn't really like go out.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I mean I wasn't old enough to go in the
bars anyways.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
And so you just now are right?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I just yeah, I'm twenty one.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, that's why I was asking, do you when you
turn twenty one? Even though you don't, do you go right?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
If I?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
If I maybe like established that earlier, I mean I
could now yeah, I mean I will be the life
of the party on a diet coke.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
So do not drink at all? No, I don't have
I don't I've never had a drink, right, You's.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Why we're best friends.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Have you had a drink?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
No? No, no, no, I've tasted alcohol before.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
How does it taste?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Really bad.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
It's terrible. It it smells bad.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
It smells bad. It smells like pea. It tastes like
not good. I don't know why people like it.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I know that if I drink, I would drink a
lot because I would do everything right times one hundred, OK.
And I just know I would be like Peanut.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Colatta, boy, Peanut Colada.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
It would be I would drink the most fruit fruit drinks,
so I would be down to two slippery slopes. It'd
be like I'd be drinking like crazy. And also it
would be the fruitiest you ever see those like dancing
women that have all the fruit on top of their head.
That'd be what all the drinks will look like that
I would have.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah, I would need I would need a lot of sugar.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
In mind, you moved here at seventeen.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I did.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was that if I'm doing the math, was that around COVID.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
It was right after COVID, So I moved here.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Did you finish high school? During COVID?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I did Zoom online for half of my junior year
and then I moved July the end of July.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Of twenty twenty one, and I finished my senior year online.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
And you just knew you wanted to move to Nashville.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I didn't even know this was a possibility for me.
I didn't think I was that good. I always loved music,
and it was music was more of like a like breathing,
Like I said, for me, it was a very private
thing unless I was singing in church and when I
went viral for singing in the bathtub during COVID. And
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then I got in contact with my managers and I
signed a record deal and I moved like after I
signed a record in that order, in that order, and
within this span of six I got in contact with
my manager's October twenty twenty and then we started releasing
some music. And then I had like every now in hindsight,
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I had like every label in town wanting to meet
with me, and I met with like I think we
did like thirteen Zoom meetings, and then I signed with Warner.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
How do you pick a label when you're only meeting
with them over zoom.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I just I'm a very spiritual person, very like intuitive,
like I trust my gut most of the time. And
I just felt really good about Warner and they just
felt very endearing and like they actually cared about what
I had to say and not just kind of like
wanting to, you know, sign a viral sensation and let
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it be what it is.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
It felt like genuine.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
So I signed and then I moved and I didn't
even know, like I knew about the grand of opry,
but I didn't really know that Nashville was like the
place you go to become, you know, a country music star.
I guess I should have known that, but I just
didn't really like put the pieces together in my head.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I didn't even know what I wanted to do with
my life.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
And then I was just like this feels right, and
I moved and I lived in the house by myself for.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Like well, I was finishing school. Was seen at seventeen?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Were you emancipated?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:24):
No, my parents are very supportive of me. I just
have three other siblings. They had lives to do and
work to do. And I am self sufficient. I was
just like I just I'm very indecisive. Like I said,
I brought two records. But that was the only decision
in my life that I've ever been like, this is
the right thing to do, and I know it. And
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I remember telling my mom that, and everyone in my family,
like my extended family and our friends and everyone in
my town thought that I was crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And then my parents are crazy for letting me do that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But I think both of my parents and myself just
a lot of peace that it was like the right thing.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I don't know what is Nashville like. When you move
here and start to see other people who are doing
what you're trying to do, it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You would think that it's intimidating, and it is at times,
but I just feel like the little girl inside of
me that wanted to talk to everyone about Patsy Klein
that no one really cared because everyone called me grandma.
Growing up, I just loved the classic country but everyone
here has their own, you know, music taste, and everyone's
really passionate about it, and there's so much talent. It
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was just really like creatively, I was like very very stimulated, and.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I was just starry eyed at it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I'd never even been to the side of the country,
so I didn't know that there's this many trees here.
And I remember I was like driving down the road
and I was like, one of these days, I'm going
to plow down one of these mailboxes and trash cans
because the roads are.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
So narrow too.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
It's a lot of things that It was a very
big culture shock for me going from Arizona. It's like Tennessee, what.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do you do at eighteen nineteen years old here when
you're living by yourself? When you make friends? Right? Do
you go to songwriter arounds?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
How do you make your circle?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I met a lot of my friends at church, but
it was really hard for me because I wasn't going
to school or anything, so it wasn't like I had
like people my age to socialize with.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I was really just writing all the time with people.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
That were, you know, late twenties, thirties, forties, So all
my friends were way older than me. Because I consider
like the people that I write with my friends and
like my brothers too. So I remember my first co
write was with Ben Williams and Andy Sheridan and they're
still like my big brothers to this day. So that
was really cool. And yeah, I met people at church
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and I like went to the grocery store and didn't
know what to buy and I was like, I bought
in avocado and some apples and beef. I still don't
really know how to cook because I'm touring now and
I don't need you too.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
But yeah, what's it like to go viral?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Looks fabulous, I'm sure you totally understand, But looks fabulous
when you're on the other side of the screen and
when you're looking at all the millions of views and likes,
And it's really cool because it gave me my career,
really did, so I'm really grateful for what it is.
But the adrenaline dump after going viral is a big
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thing too. That was challenging that I wasn't anticipating.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
What do you mean by that.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
It's interesting to.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Go from music being something that you do for fun
to all of the sudden it's your livelihood.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And when you go viral.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
It's instant gratification. It's very stimulating. You are kind of
on like a cloud nine. And then if your next
video only gets a thousand views rather than two million views,
it's like, oh, if this gave me my success, could
it also take it away? And that that thought was
something that I struggled with a lot in the beginning,
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and I was very conscious of what I was posting
and and trying to, you know, still be as good
as I was when I was megaviral, and I don't know,
you kind of just learn the longer that you do
it that it's just it all comes in waves and
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what's genuine and authentic will always work for you. And
if you're trying to be something else, if you're trying
to be viral, if you're trying to be you know, commercial,
if you're not, if you're trying to be artsy, if
you're not, it's just not going to work. You just
have to really go with your gut and say what
you want to say, and not just say something to say.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Something, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, not just add to your feed because you feel
like you need to add to your.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Feed, right, not just I think that that's a very
it works for a lot of people, and a lot
of people have found success that way. From being consistently
posting every single day, like three videos a day, and
I had a lot of pressure to do that very
early on, and it just it's just not right and
it's not natural for people to like, surely no one
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has something to say three times a day.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Now I don't, and I have to talk for six hours.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
A day, and I feel very It sucked the creativity
out of me until I realized how to set boundaries
with it.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
It's got to be messing with your mind. When you
crush crush and then you do a video, you think
it's probably even better than the ones that crushed, and
it doesn't. Yeah, And I get in that trap too,
where I'll do a couple even thematically does great, does great? Oh,
this one's even better and it does way worse, And
then I start to question do I even know what
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I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
It's so interesting too, because sometimes a song will do
really well live for me, and it'll be a really big,
like a really big moment in the show, and then
online it won't translate.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I just decided that I'm going to speak when I
have something to say, and post when I have something
to post that is of quality. That's one of my
resolutions this year.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Whenever you sang in the bathtub, did that pop the
first time?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:34):
It was at like ten million views, I think, and
I was honestly, I never would have posted my singing
on TikTok if it weren't for COVID, because I was
very conscious of what people thought about me.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And did you sing in public at all?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I did. I did a talent show one time.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh you're talking one time, So it wasn't something you
were young.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I've never played a show before this. I'd never played
the show. I wasn't gigging.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean I was.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I sang in church, but I come from a very
you know, traditional reverend church. It wasn't like worship band.
It was like in a piano, yeah, hymns.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
It was very sacred, and so music has always been
really sacred to me. So for that to go, you know,
from that to this is it's crazy. It's literally insane
for me.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Was it one of those where you posted and then
you didn't realize it was so viral and then you
look at your phone or did you have your notifications
on where you could tell you could like feel it.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I've always had my notifications off for social media. But
I remember I sang say something in the bathtub and.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Lady aga no, no, Christina agular.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I say something great, big world, but she's.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
She sang it with them, Yes, got it? I say that,
say something and on you yeah yeah, yeah got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And it was just very It was a place I
sang in the bathroom because that was the one place
in the house that no one was in. And I have,
like I said, three siblings, and everyone was doing their
and I was supposed to be doing my school, but
I would just like mute. I remember it was always
during culinary I'd meet my culinary class on zoom and
just sing in the bathtub and the acoustics were good
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in there, and my parents have a luxurious bathtub. And
then it went viral, and I didn't want to tell
my mom because I was like, surely she'll tell me
I needed to lead TikTok, Like she.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Didn't even know TikTok was a thing.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And so my cousin was living with us at the time,
she was going to college at NAU and it was
at like eight million views and it had been like
a couple of days, I think, and she was like
test I've been trying to go viral on TikTok for
months now, and Avery just went viral, like this is
really huge, this is cool, She's gonna be famous.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And my mom was.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Like, those aren't real people like you guys are so killy.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
She's like, that's just the Internet.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Those aren't like real people. And I think she was
in denial because she was like, what is happening? And
then I just kept post singing it kept going viral.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And what'd you do second?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I don't know. I think I did a Harry Styles cover.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Were you thinking about it a lot on your second one?
Or was it just let me just pick something?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
No, I wasn't even thinking, Like.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
My brain was not business calculated at all at all.
I'm not an ounce of it in my body. I
was just like, this is fun. This song makes me
want to cry.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Let's sing it.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
You know when that first video popped, were managers or
labels in your dms already or was it a couple
or few as I didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Check my dms, But it was like a week or
two after I was like, oh, like this major record
label just DMT, they want to meet. And I remember
I had just ignored them or kept saying no to people.
And I just got one DM from David Fanning and
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I don't know what it was about it, but I
felt like like I just felt like I needed to reply,
and I replied with like, how much money is this
going to cost me? And he was like nothing, Like
if anyone says it's going to cost you anything, like
run the other way. And then I met with him
and it just the rest is history. I can't even
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it went so fast. It was just like the blink
of an eye.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Did the Parma League guys put David Fanning onto you?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
They did? They were they were like scrolling through TikTok
with David.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I think they they were at his house or on
the bus maybe I can't remember, but Matt was like,
this girl's really good. You should check her out. And
then David dammed me. And then Parmally, it was full circle.
Parmally had me feature on a song Forget You on
their album, and that was really cool for me because
I've been listening to their music since they started.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I think you said a minute ago you were in
a culinary class on zoom, but then you said, way
before that, you did know how.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
To cook I still do not a cook like I can.
I think I could if I needed to. But people
always as like what I eat or what I what
I ate? When I first moved here, like what did
I cook for myself? And I genuinely don't know?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
But you weren't. You take in a coulinary?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:08):
But it was also on I.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Would pause it so I could sing, Oh, how do
you pause a zoom?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I just turn off my camera in the mic and I.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Turned this and let them just keep going, and you
would just sing, right, got it? That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I guess maybe I should make up lost time and
take a culinary class one of these days.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
No, at this point, you got enough going on, right,
You don't have to worry about that. Are you on
a bus yet?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
I was for this last tour, which was the first
game changer, right, game changer? It was the first time
I I.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Thought about that, like, not just the bus, but I
don't unless you've been in it. It's hard to understand
how much easier the bus makes life and why people
just don't grab buses because they're so expensive.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
People don't comprehend the difference between like van touring and
bus touring.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And tell me about ban touring.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
So before van touring, I was driving around in my
suv around the country, opening for like Josh Turner and
Martina mcbre and Chase Rice and playing my piano and
queuing like tracks on my own, which I will never
do that again. It was a time it was like
a piano recital for people before they you know, we're
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singing songs about beer, so it's really funny. But after that, yeah,
I had a band for the first time, which was
really cool. And when you tour in a van, you
you drive in the morning, you play the show, and
right after the show if you're not you know, sometimes
I would go on stage and sing with the artist
I was opening for. But then you drive through the
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night too and depending on the routing, which my routing
was always kind of kind of rocky. Remember there was
a show we drove. We were in New York and
had to drive to I think it was Michigan for
a festival.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
And you guys have to drive and we had to.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I also was like, I know how to pull a
trailer a group doing that with horses and everything, and
there was only it was me and my guitar player
and my drummer for a while, shifting, shifting, and people
don't realize it takes a while to like find a team.
It takes a while to find a band, especially if
you don't grow up with people like playing music.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
A lot of a lot of artists get the luxury
of like.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Growing up with the people around them and the cruise
and the band and everything. But I didn't know anybody,
so it took me a while to like find people
that fit. And so yeah, we ended up driving like
through the entire night, and we played the show late
at night, and then the next show was the festival.
So it was at like three. I was playing in
a tent and you're exhausted, and I had no I
had no sleep. I didn't sleep, and I got ready
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in the passenger seat of the band. In the mirror
was like this big and I remember that show. My
guitar strap like came off while I was playing the
rock chorus of It's Just Raining, and I like held
it up with my leg. I was just holding out
for dear life. And it went by and I was
like sleep deprived, and I was like, dang, the day
I go viral is the day I had no sleep.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So when you get a bus, how much does everything
change everything?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Oh my gosh, this tour was so fun. You have
time to like, I don't know. I was always worried about,
you know, parking the trailer or fixing the truck's rig
or loading in with the guys and like helping him
set up, just because like there was only ever two
of them. And so now it's like I had eleven people.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
On the bus and a bus driver and a bus.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Driver and he was amazing. He was so awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And you get to sleep in the bus on a ball.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Sleep in the bus on a bunk.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You if you want to go banana, there's.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Like you can wake up and walk around, or you
can sleep until two if you want to, or you
can you know, I always have a really hard time
falling asleep after a show because the adrenaline is so
high and and so I stay up really late on
the bus. Everyone goes to bed and I sit in
the room and like journal and I can read my scriptures.
In a van, you're just like sleep deprived and taking
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shifts driving and yeah, and you smell and.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
The bus still smells. Don't get me wrong. That's what
we have.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Essentral oils for depending on how many dudes are in
the bus.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yes, lots, lots of guys. We had four girls in
the crew though, so which was really fun.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Do girls this is a question. I don't know if
I feel comorb asking, but as a guy, when we
would have a bus and there's seven or eight, there's
there are bathroom rules, you don't go on the bus. Yeah.
Do girls have that rule?
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
You do? Yeah, okay, uh yeah, I don't know, because
you guys aren't gross like us.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Well, girls poop too, you.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Know, I know, but I didn't know. Guys are just
guys are gross.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Guys are gross. Luckily, my crew hygiene is good. Girls.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I would say guys are dirty and girls are messy,
and those are two very different, you know, types of clean.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Have you thought about writing that song girls poop too?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Girls poop too? I could totally write that song. I know.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Just the people to call that is. I think that's
a number.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
One unless you're touring though, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I just think it's a number one. Sometimes I hear
and I'm like, girls poop too, that's a hit.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
If a guy is like, can't stand the fact that
girls like poop or have a period.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I'm like, I don't know about you.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I don't mind the period, yeah, but I don't like
my wife. Yeah, and I'll go. I've never been afraid
to buy Tampa, no problem with that. I don't like
my wife to see me even do poopy stuff. I
don't even I don't even like to it's bathroom too,
I don't just generally speaking, I don't like bathroom. So
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it's not about her because she's so much. My wife
is so free and she's just like the body's the body.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
It's just like I'm gonna tell you if she needs
to go. Yeah, I'm the weird one, right, that's okay,
that's all right.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I don't And I even call a bathroom talk and
she's like, you're you're not eight.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Right, Well, you take me as a guy that like
your car is clean, and like.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
It's my car. If it's dirty, it's a little bit messy,
it's never dirty. Right, So if you went right now,
there's there's a bag from Aloe in the back that
I took all the stuff out, but the bag is
still there and probably like an empty sonic cup and
they're putting it and that's like dirty right beside each other, right, So.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
For me, like I won't have like sticky stuff in
my car, Like there will never be like sticky stething. No,
I like I will throw food away and stuff like
I'm not dirty, but you've messed met like my whole
closets in the backseat of my car.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You know, that's kind of a nature of the job though, too.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
My girl, and I also, I'm yeah, I changed my
out for a lot.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
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Speaker 2 (41:51):
Something that I struggled with whenever things started to work
for me was all the money I was expected to
spend on clothes.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Oh my gosh, I could write a novel about this, seriously,
because I didn't grow up buying clothes, and so I've
never known like my style was handy downs, and like
I've always liked if it looks like it came from
my grandma's closet, That's what I like. And so it
still translates in my style, especially on stage, to this day.
But I went from, you know, living off of handy
(42:21):
downs to like, all of a sudden, I need to
buy outfit on stage that makes me look like an
artist and makes me look cool, but also something that's
comfortable to like move around in. And yeah, I found
myself not feeling comfortable with spending money on clothes. It
felt like a sin. And now I just am like,
if I like it, and I know I'm going to
(42:42):
look back at photos or videos of me in it
and like it, then I just need to buy it.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I got a step ahead of it because it was
so odd for me to buy clothes for red carpets
or television. And I got fortunate too. I had certain
shows that would give me budgets for clothes, and so
I buy the clothes that i'd never spend all and
keep the rest of the money. Greatest scheme ever. The
second part was I when I was doing a lot
of stand up, I wore a uniform. It's because I
don't want to buy different clothes, so I wore the
(43:10):
same clothes every night. And people thought, Wow, look at him.
He's really strategic and what a brand. I just didn't
want to buy clothes.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
No, Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I do admire like even with Megan or Taylor Swift,
and they have like an outfit, like that's their outfit
for the tour.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
I have yet to be there.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I'm also in decisive so I don't know if I
could wear one outfit for like a whole tour.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Do you get the Megan Maroney comparisons all.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
The time, Yeah, which is so funny, especially in the beginning,
But it's so funny because we're two completely different, like
completely different.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Lanes and so blonde hair.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
Really that's songs about the ex'es is, but.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's the vulnerability and the blonde hair.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I'm honored to be compared to Megan, and I've been
compared to to Taylor Swift and to Stevie Nix, and
I feel like people find a hard time like pinpointing,
like who to compare me to? So I've heard like
a lot of different things.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I feel like Megan Maroney is the best young songwriter
that's an artist.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
She's very a very classic songwriter. She embodies a lot
of that classic country and.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
It's very.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
It's very uh like it is like poetry, like it's
gonna rhyme, it's gonna fit, it's going to be like
a system.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, she's really a genius, and she's a marketing.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Genius too, very specific, very specific to her yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Which I think there's a real art to that. Yeah,
because you could be so specific and think, well, no
one's going to understand this, yeah, Or you can be
very specific and have the confidence to go someone's gonna
find their story in my specificity right totally, which I
feel like you do that too. Though when I say that,
I feel like you do that too. I'm very song.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
With my songwriting. I also am not like married one sound.
I feel like Megan is like she has created her sound.
I have like five different sounds, and I think that's
it's a strength and a downfall for me because I
don't really have like I wish that I was more
calculated than I am, and I wish that I could
(45:18):
be like, this is the sound for this album, it's
gonna be this one genre. I'm gonna wear this one color.
But I just don't function like that, and I think
if I did, I would feel like I was in
a jail.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Cell. I think you'll get there though, or I think
you maybe. Yeah, I think you'll get to a point
that you you've figured out a strategy right for it.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
It's funny because it's harder for people to figure out
like my brand and like what my specific sound is
and my.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
If I were to ask you, I I am just me.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
And it's hard to I think it will take me
releasing more music to really establish that and like paint
my own life. But it's been very adamant that like
I should just pick country or pick rock or pick
old school inde, you.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
It is old school, but it's funny because you'd think
that that would be old school, and especially within or not.
Like I mean, people listen to all genres and so yeah,
I'm just an Arizona girl that likes to sing sad songs.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
What instrument did you play? First?
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Piano? Yeah, I took lessons when I was younger, and
I never practice and I still can't read music. I
would like do piano recitals with my sister and she
would get every note perfect and she would practice. She
was good and she doesn't play anymore, but I would
just be like my pianos. I'd I'd miss a couple
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notes and just like laugh about it and be done.
But I quit when I was I think in sixth grade,
and then I really like taught myself after that because
I would look up like songs that I liked to play,
and I would zoom it on people's fingers and then
just copy it. But my grandpa, he's like he hears
everything by ear. He's like he can't read music, but
(47:09):
he just does everything by year. And I think that's
where I got that from.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
When did you play guitar?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I think I was in sixth grade as well.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Did you ask for a guitar?
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, for Christmas? I did.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Did you take to it immediately?
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah? I did.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I learned the ukulele and then I like committed to
zooming it on people's fingers on YouTube to learn the guitar.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
A lot of zooming.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
I'm sure I could have. I'm sure I could, Yes,
lots of zooming. I'm sure I could have done an
easier way to learn, But I don't know why in
my mind that was like the way that I needed
to do it.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
So your last record came out in May. I assume
you've written a ton of songs.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, I've I have some.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, there's been a lot of different sounds that I've
played around with. But I think this year I've finally
like decided a little more specifically on what I want thinks.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Of Lane a little bit painting my lane.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
And I'm also I feel like I finally have a voice.
Not that anyone ever tried to take my voice away
or no, like no one ever tried to like shut
me up.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
But I just.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Didn't really know how to like set the boundaries and
say what I wanted. And now I feel like I
finally do like a letters. It was like the first
time I ever like played with that. Yeah, But now
I I feel like I know what I want to say,
and I've got some songs that give me a lot
of anxiety and a lot of scared feelings.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
And yeah, I feel like you dancing and all the
lanes will help you realize what lane you're supposed to
be in. Yeah, And also you can always change lanes.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Right, And I've always loved, Yeah, I've always loved so
many different genres of music, and I've appreciated artists of
you know, all decades. And I don't know, there is
a piece of me and a lot of different genres,
and so yeah, I guess I just have to like
tiptoe through them.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
But let's do mount rushmore favorite artists ever? Pay four? Okay,
Patsy Clin, Can I do bands?
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah's Cline lumineers, my gosh, probably, I mean I have
to say.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Taylor Swift, she like you don't have to say that.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
I do, though, because she's such a big part of
my that.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Would be a reason they say that. Yes, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Have I think right now, Noah Kahn.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
And that's four. You can't add anymore. Who are you
gonna say, though? If there was another head that was
being sculpted on the mountain.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Willie Nelson and Kimmy Rhodes together singing I just drove.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
By Man, you are really specific on that one.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, it was like the first song I ever learned,
and that's the go to with my grandpa. He dementia,
so he only remembers certain songs.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
There's a couple of Patsy ones and that one, though,
is like it's like shaped me as a person. It's
like the core of my my being.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
What song do you think you've covered the most?
Speaker 1 (50:21):
Probably hymns, probably like Amazing Grace. I've sang that one
in a couple of shows when I felt like I
needed to. Oh my gosh, I sing love Stories so much.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
The fans love it.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Not the hymn the tailor sweast the tailor sweat. Yeah,
basically different kind of hymn, basically.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Him for the girls or the guys or the gaye
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, I sang.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I think I've sang that one for like two years
on tour because people love it, and I don't know,
I can't find a song that I could cover that
does as well as that one. Besides maybe No More
Tears now, so I'm sure I'll do that one for
longer than I did Love Story.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
What I hope doesn't happen before I get to my
last question, is that No More Tears hits for you
so hard in a way that you get annoyed that
you have to play it in two years.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
I don't know if I could ever get annoyed with it.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
I hope you don't.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
I think I I think I dump a lot of
angry feelings into that when I sing it, like I
really just let it all rip. And I'm not really
like an angry person because I stuff my angry feelings down,
and so I don't know if I'll ever not.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Have Well, that doesn't feel healthy though, just just that's healthy.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
I know I'm a walking red flag, like I'm very aware,
so but that I don't know if I'll never like
enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Final question, what is your final death?
Speaker 5 (51:55):
Row?
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Meal?
Speaker 3 (51:58):
A stake, sat mac and cheese.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
This is so weird, but I love beet salads and
peach cobbler.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
Not a beat guy.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
I've never been a beat girl. I thought they were
always gross. My dad always loved them, and now I
just like them. I don't they taste like they do?
Taste like earth a little bit.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
That's a good. Yeah, what's a beat taste like earth?
He nailed it.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Yeah, tastes like earth I have. I didn't have it, say,
moved here. I didn't know that was a thing.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
What about sweet tea.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Or no, I've no, I don't drink sweet tea. I've
tasted it. I didn't love it. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
I wouldn't say it's an acquired taste. But it's all
I drank. I'm from Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
It's sweet, right, you know it's a very cool thing.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Did you ever have kool Aid?
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:47):
I did, but it wasn't like a I have more
precense than kolated But yeah, they're like grits and okra
and or bread grits.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
I didn't. Yeah, very it was a big culture. Chocolate
food too, and barbecue.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Was really good out here, was it not there?
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I mean there's no barbecue places and Flox staff. No,
but my dad always like, you know, cook to the meats.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
So what's the goal this year? Give me a goal
at the end of the year, you want to say
that at the.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
End of the year, I want to say I really
introduced myself for the first time, because I've established that,
you know, I'm a songwriter and vulnerable songwriter, and I
connected a lot with the fans this past year with
legal letters and the meaning of it and touring and
just really creating like a community. And I think it's
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time for me to like really show people who I
am and what I believe in, where I came from,
what I think is important enough to say and put
on a record. And so this year, I hope by
the end of the year I could say that I
really like established and planted my roots and you know,
(53:59):
gave a good introduction.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
That's super cool.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Yeah, excited.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Well, I'm glad you came by.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
Thank you. It's nice to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
I'm a fan and I was watching some of your
oppery stuff too. When it happened, I would just see,
you know small. I mean, I'm kind of exposed to everything,
so nothing really pops ever ye ever. Ever. And then
when I saw no more tears, I hope you take
this the right way, I was like, Oh, that's girl
sing in the bathtub. Wow, that's completely different.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
And then I thought, man, I gotta see what she's about.
So yeah, I'm rooting for you.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yeah really awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Well I'm rooting for you, not that you need I
do need it.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I need it more than ever. Will you ever back
in the bathtub and sing again?
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Of course? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
If I get a luxurious clofet bathtub of my own,
nice to probably make some money first.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
So okay, when you make money and you get an
independent bathtub.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
And cloff at bathtub and I will have a big
one stained glass window.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Oh you're going now, you do extra. You always go extra.
It's like your fifth Mountaine person.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
I'm extra.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yes, great to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Good to talk to you too.
Speaker 5 (55:02):
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