#596 - WWE Superstar Drew McIntyre on His Hatred of CM Punk, Why Aliens are Real & Breaking His Neck

WWE superstar Drew McIntyre joins Bobby to talk about why his issues with CM Punk go way beyond storyline, why he’s convinced aliens exist, and one of the scariest moments of his career when he broke his neck. He opens up about the setbacks he’s had to fight through, the mindset it took to come back stronger, and how those challenges shaped both his career and his life. Plus, Drew talks about growing up in Scotland, his rise in wrestling, and what it takes to get mentally and physically ready for the biggest moments in WWE.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Just go on the internet and google his name and
get the character witness reports of the people that know him.
He's a genuine piece of crap, and get the character
witness reports of me. I only tried to help people
and help people and encourage people to chante their dreams
and learn from my mistakes. He's absolute trash.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, guys, bob me here.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
We're going to talk with ww superstar Drew McIntyre. And
I don't know much about Scotland, never been to Scotland.
We talk about food and everybody comes from a place
that has interesting food. Would they eat in Scotland? To me, No,
I had never heard of this before. So we'll get
into food, we'll get into his parents. Obviously, I'm a

(00:45):
big wrestling fan, and we didn't talk wrestling the whole time,
Like I'm always curious to know, like how much do
you have to eat? You know, what do you eat?
What were your parents like? And so we do this
a lot with Drew McIntyre. He's the chosen one. He
was the chosen one, and then he had a full
on comeback story, winning multiple world titles, headlining in WrestleMania.
We're getting ready for WrestleMania forty two, which is coming

(01:07):
up April eighteenth and nineteenth. If you're watching this when
it comes out, it'll be coming up this weekend. But
one of the biggest stars in WWE joining us right
now here. He is my conversation. He's a monster, by
the way, big dude. Like on TV, he's humongous, but
he's against other humongous people. He's humongous here he is
WWE's Drew McIntyre.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Drew, good to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Good see buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
We haven't met before. How tall are you?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I am six foot five and a half and it
is the half inch that makes all the difference out here.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
When did you start grow as a kid? Were you?
Were you a large kid?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah? I was always tall. It's not like America where
there's a lot of flood of athletes who are tall.
There is very few people in Scotland that girl as
quick as me. And I was very tall, very skinny.
I was always put in the back of the school photos.
I got a bit of a complex about it. If
you see the school fotals from age four onwards, I'm
always in the back groul. I'm always head and shoulders
above everyone. You know, girls grow faster than guys. So

(02:03):
there's a couple of girls, are you know, up to
my chin maybe, and then eventually I just disappear out
the shot.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Your dad a large man.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, he was always called Big Andy growing up. He's
six foot three and the kind of largest man of
the family. The doctors. I don't know how they figure
this out. The doctors of the doctors have told my
parents that I'm going to be huge one day. My
brother's gonna be pretty tall, and I kind of stuck
without my whole life and whatever I'd hear my dad
called big Andy. I told him one day, I'm going
to be Giant Drew. And I'm also Andrew McLean Galloway.

(02:31):
That's my real name, by the way, I'm dream I
can turn the wrestling, but Drew Galloway in real life,
I'm Andrew McClean Gallery the Fourth. So my dad goes
by Andy, I go by Drew. He goes by Big Andy.
I go by Giant Drew.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I also have a name that's not my real name.
My my name's Bobby, but Bones is not my real
last name.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Really.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, so, and my real last name is Estelle.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
And most people didn't know that until my wife, because
my wife she uses her real name, our real name, yeah,
and so but she's she didn't want to go by
Caitlin Bones because she's that sounded stupid, so she's our name.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Is it weird for you? And do you have people
that only know you as your original name like your family?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
No, I mean not Drew's been many in my whole life,
so everyone basically just calls me Drew, but your last name,
but the Galloway No, I mean very few people even
mention it now, even like in the bank or whatever.
Like ww's got so big now, especially with ESPN, Netflix
and the likes, people like mister McIntyre. Wherever I go
and I slide over my information, they're like, oh, they're disappointed.
It's like, I'm sorry, this's my own name, but you know,

(03:28):
I have a real life utsight the wrestling, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, people will do that too. Sometimes they'll look at
mine and be like, oh, your name really isn't Bones?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Like they're yeah, there are the same moment. My wife
name is Kitlyn as well. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
How long you've been married.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
We've been married for nine years.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
And now did you guys move to Nashville together.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yes, yes, that's it's a fun story right there. We
lived in a Saint Petersburg, Tampa area. For mc gouness,
I want to be live there. We would be together
about thirteen years. We've probably spent about good eight nine
years there been here. It was five years. Somebody do
the math real quick, and we just decided we needed
a change. And one of the fellow wrestlers, irishman Seamus,

(04:07):
had moved here and kept chipping away at me trying
to move state. And I didn't want to move anywhere else.
I'm fine the palm trees, the sunshine. I know, on
Christmas date be nice to have Christmas weather, but one
hundred degrees is fine whatever. It's be weather in Scotland.
And my wife is from West Virginia. She wanted the seasons,
and so he started chipping away at her instead, and
she convinced me to move like with the rest that
we can live anywhere as long as it's a tax

(04:28):
free state. I'm happy about it. And we made the
move and we got an RV. Most of our stuff
went on the trucks, but we got an RV so
we could transport our cats. You know, there are kids,
and we made it as far as Perry Georgia with
her driving, and then old master of the driving here,
Old Drew, who got a license to America. I couldn't
drive when I was back in the UK. It probably
shouldn't be driving. I'm still figuring it out after years

(04:50):
and years. I was leaving the gas station in the
massive RV, the fifteen foot RV, and the back of
it caught the sight of the I know what you
call it, but the gas pumps and thank goodness, you
know some have the metal around them. Thankfully it had
metal around this particular one. Because I've hit something and
that's weird. So instead of stopping, I put my foot down.
It's like pushing through it and I ripped right through

(05:12):
the back of the RV. It tore through the side
of the tire and we got stuck in the gas
station that night because of me and Perry Georgia. And
as the night went on and someone's savory character showed up,
some fights were breaking out in the gas station. I
called Triple A and asked you send some help. Is oh,
you don't have you know, like vantage here and STRUC
insurance whatever, it's all? Can I get someone was oh, absolutely,
you know, sign up and oh the way I kick

(05:32):
in and like three days, I need it right now,
and it's like a Saturday or something going into Sunday.
I was, well, we can't do anything far you go
screw yourself. So I called around. Nobody could help, so
we had to spend the night there and yeah, yeah,
she was pretty pretty upset with me, but eventually we
got to Nashville. I love it.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Did you sleep in the RV that night?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I slept? One was instantly She basically said, this is
your fault. I'm going to take the cats to the bed.
You stay up and guard with no problem. And I
think I have like a my old form of narcolips,
which is great considering my job and traveling fifty two
weeks a year. Can always but yeah, I fell asleep
instantly and had her shaking me to wake up as
somebody peering through the window and there was and yeah, yeah,
I got a lot, got a lot of crap for that.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
How do you like living in Nashville?

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Love it? Yeah? Yeah, this is the closest to Scotland
that I've stayed in America. I lived in the Louisville Kentucky.
It was a bit of a culture shock moving straight
from my parents' house in university to America. When I
was twenty one turning twenty two. I lived in mandeviover
Louisiana briefly, and I lived in Tampa, which was fun,
you know, in your twenties, early thirties whatever. Tampa's great,

(06:33):
and that's where you want to be. But eventually, you know,
the wife chipped away. How about the seasons thing? But
when I moved here and I actually kind of got
out away for we're twenty minutes, so I was saying
the Nashville and Mount Julia area, but suddenly it was greenery.
The personality is how friendly everyone you know? Ways around
here it felt more like Scotland with a lot more guns.
Did the place was worried about. I walked in here,

(06:54):
ey way, if anyone's come with this studio, you know,
you get instructions. Walk into the lobby and it was
like three options, and I was looking around, like which
door dore going somebody's house? People have guns? Here? A
marge man walking into someone's house. I'm gonna get taken out.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Do the police officers have guns in Scotland?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
No, is that crazy to even ask?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is that? I mean, I'm so used to it now
because I've been in America so long. I'm an American
citizen and I have many many guns, so don't come
in my house. But at the same time, no, Scotland,
there's just literally zero there. There was a tragedy had
a school called Dumblane when I was a kid, and
a lot of kids were killed, and just even guns
of farmers had et cetera. We're just taken out completely.
So it's not something I was ever around or talked about,

(07:31):
aside playing cops and robbers when you're a kid.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
When I was growing up in Arkansas. Like the meal
that we had with chicken fried steak, Like that's my
favorite meal. It is very Southern meal.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
What is like the meal?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like if I were to ask you about being a
child in Scotland, what's like home food?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Like stove's like you know mens and tatties like mince
and potatoes, like mashed up potatoes and you know, like
beef kind of mashed up in a mix it all,
mix it all together with the gravy and irs, so
all mashed oh yeah, all mashed together, mince and tattoos.
Tattoos are potatoes. And then if you want to go
stereotypical people out there going damn it toory see haggis.

(08:09):
You're Scottish to talk about higgis. Yes, I like haigas
and chicken. You cut up in the chicken, put the
haggis in there.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
What's haggis?

Speaker 1 (08:14):
What is hagis? You never heard of haggis? No?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I haven't. Is it a hash brown?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
No? No, let me let me fill you in. Does
everyone always talking to me about haggas? I just assume
everyone assumes we still run around and kilts, eating haggis
and drinking whisky in the highlands. And you heard of televisions.
We invented iver heard of television. Hagis is basically all
the parts of the sheep boiled in its stomach and
then eat it. And there's another fine delicacy. I like,

(08:41):
introduce my wife to this stuff and not tell her
what it is. Black pudding is one of my favorite
breakfast items. She was, what's that? And I was just
try it before a tail? You know who? What is it?
Try it? She tries it? You like it? She's like,
oh yeah, yeah, I like it? So what is it
dried blood black pudding. Very nice of what sheep? You
know what I never clarified they could probably good right now,
someone over there can check it out. But yeah, pig blood, yeah,

(09:04):
get that into you at us.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
But can you tell me more about the pig, well,
about what that is.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I mean also in the UK there's a lot more
health than safety standards for the food. So it's all
right you can give out a bashing there and a guarantee.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
And that's just what you had as kids, right, Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Did you think twice about it? Anything was put in
front of me. We had tea. I didn't come from
for much money. I mean we felt that we had
everything we needed and our parents made us feel that way.
And everyone around me was kind of a similar situation
growing up. But yeah, it was ever put in front
of you, you had to eat it.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Your parents did what for a living.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
My dad growing up worked in like a virus around
company like where they sold just a bunch of different
furniture and the likes, and it eventually closed down and
and now works in a prison and runs their runs
their canteen. Scottish prisons, especially the private prisons, sound like
pirate I used to be honest, listening to him doesn't
even sound like prison. And my mother, by the time
we were born, she actually was born with a very

(09:59):
rare e. She wasn't born of the condition. She developed
a very rare condition in her early twenties. It's more
common these days. Sarah Bellama taxia, basically the balance portion
of her brain died, and it happened in her early twenties.
I management late teens exactly, but you know, she had
a regular job. She'd left school. She was coming home
on the bus one day and her legs just stopped working,
and an older couple had to help her back home,

(10:20):
and my nana retired and started taking her from doctor
to doctor trying to figure out what was.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Wrong with her.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
At that time, only small dogs really developed this condition,
you know, shaky eyes, shaky hands, and she walked like
she was drunk. And they finally found a doctor in
London that was able to kind of stabilize the condition,
but they knew so little about it. She was told
you would never have a normal life, obviously, potentially never
have kids in the likes met my dad, and when
she got pregnant, was told the same thing as at

(10:45):
the time, there was such limited knowledge about it. And well,
my nana, who was my second mother growing up, she
was always there to help because my mother had to
kind of use the walls to balance, didn't let and
stop her. She would balance out the backyard and hang
up the laundry. She would balance down one wall with
the the food for my brother and I. We'd never
help because she made it so normal, it's like a superhero.
And my friend would run around help, but it was

(11:05):
wrong with you two, and I said, well, well this
is this is what she does. But when she get
told you know, they probably shouldn't have this kid. My
nana said, you probably shouldn't have this kid. She was like,
I'd rather die, and it had me, and it inevitably
had my brother as well, who's sixteen months between the
two of us, and grew up making us feel like
we could do anything because she was born with this
rare affliction which you couldn't leave the house. But she

(11:27):
did everything she possibly could in the house and eventually
when I did the wrestling, was the first of a
wrestler assigned from Scotland to do the WWE go for
a country of five million people to that big American company,
the only ever Scottish or British w B champion of
all time. They're like, okay, well gave you the motivation.
How did you pull it off? I was like that easy.
I had a superhero for her mother.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Wow, is there any relation to you. I don't know
if you're kidding about the narcolepsy thing.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
No. I mean I just I sleep very easy. Okay,
I'm not logitially diagnosed with her, but I was. I'm
convinced maybe some very mild version. I think just I'm
so relaxed all the time. It's like a kind of
a gift, I guess. In our job and a very
stressful environment, I'm always able to stay camp in every situation.
Like I did a movie when I even though I
was twenty, it's been a whole life long thing with
three hundred extras. Was screaming above a Scottish castle and

(12:13):
I was a guard from Malcolm McDowell. And when I
wasn't in a particular show, I just lie against the
wall and fall asleep. My buddy was like, I keep
watching fall asleep against the wall. How can you do that?
I was like, because I'm terrorists, I just go to
sleep because there's three hundred people screaming. I was like, not,
as far as I'm concerned, I can always just go
to sleep. For want.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Are your parents still alive?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
My mother passed unfortunately in twenty twelve. She inevitably developed
cancer a lot with all the other stuff, but she
fought right through it. Every time I wanted to go home,
she told me, you keep chasing that dream, don't you
dare come back? And which sucked. But I was there,
you know, when she passed and hit my dad hard
for a while, he went through some some real tough
times in his personal life, but he eventually found you know,

(12:51):
his current wife, Jane, and you know, they're very happy together.
I don't have to worry about them all the time.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
What success did your mom get to see from you?

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I mean, she saw me make WWE. She saw me
become Intercontinental Champion, obviously one of one of her main
titles in w At twenty four years old, I was
announced as the chosen one kind of future of WWE. Unfortunately,
had a bit of a bit of a downturn and
the old career, you know, opportunities weren't quite there. But

(13:20):
during the period, like I've been honest about it, you know.
And I've got my book, My Chosen Destiny available now
go get it. But in many other interviews where I've
talked about when she got sick, I started, you know,
drinking too much and acting out in ways like that,
not dealing with it very well. And when she passed,
I was just off the deep end and burning the
candle at both ends, throwing gasoline on the candle itself.

(13:42):
So she saw right up to the good success. My
first run saw a little bit of a downturn. But
she was always very positive, like, I can't believe you're
still in WWE. You're living your dream, Like when she
was sick, don't you dare come home. You keep living
your dream, you keep pushing, and you achieve everything you're
supposed to achieve, because I believe you can be and
one of the best of all time. But she always
believed in me in that way and believed that could

(14:03):
be the man. But you know, I was again not
dealing with her being sickly she was like my favorite
person in the world and my hero, So I was
not dealing with it very well. I'm such a mummy's
boy growing up to the point I moved to America
and these bills were pealing up. These bills were pealing up,
These bills were pealing up. I was like, what is
going on. I was like, I did that for you.
You have to learn how you do it yourself. And
oh my god, I'm capable too much of my mummy's boy.

(14:25):
So yeah, So that was a tough period, but you know,
I know she was always there with me even during
the tough times. And I had to and I got
fired inevitably when I was twenty nine, and I had to,
like in WW if I told them what was going on,
if they understood how bad I was dealing with things,
they would have gave me the time off. But I
kept it inside, and no one really knew, aside my
close friends. You know how bad I was dealing with things.

(14:46):
And it was the best thing in the work could
have happened to me. It was getting fired. I wasn't
under the microscope anymore. I'd met my wife Caitlin at
the time it wasn't good time and we got first
apartment together technic coming. I got fired and she was like,
oh my god, what are we going to do for money?
And I was I don't worry if we're going to
figure this out. And I still believed, like she believed,
I could be the one of the top guys and
not the top wrestler and Planet Earth this is the

(15:06):
one thing I know better than anything. And I was
able to rebrand myself outside of the company use social media,
and that was in twenty fourteen, and social media was
getting so big at the time. But I knew I
could take the fans on a journey and show them
the version of myself that I believed I should be,
as opposed to what I was being presented as in
WW at the time. And my name grew and grew
and grew, and things were going amazing. I became champion

(15:27):
all across different countries in the world, specifically in Scotland.
The show I returned to had about one thousand people,
and then the next show the big one of two thousand,
and then the next big one was four thousand, and
the next big one was seven thousand, and we just
kept growing this business with myself as the centerpiece. But
I was still drinking too much. So eventually, as things
were going well, my wife said to mainly true, you

(15:48):
got to, you know, check your head. That you're going
to crash and burn. I was a baby, but look,
look what's going on, Like everything's going great and the
numbers don't lie. You know, I'm running myself into the ground.
You've been patient. I appreciate that, But look how well
we doing. We're able to buy our first house, not
in WWE. We're able to buy, you know, the car.
We're able to save, invest create our retirement accounts outside
of WWE. That's unheard of. At this point. My brother

(16:11):
told me, you become a verb to do Drew become
more of a success outside of WWE. And she was like, no,
the way you're living your life and if you don't
cut it out, I'm going to end up leaving you
as well. So she had that talk with me and
I also broke my neck. At the time, it sounds
worse than it is. It was T two and T
three break none displaced, so all I had to do
was wear a neck casts for eight weeks. But it
slowed me down for the first time in my life,

(16:32):
like I'd never had a break my entire life, no
pun intended, but I'd gone straight from school, straight to university,
straight to WWE, fired straight back on the road rebranding
myself and this eight weeks I sat there, I thought
about what she said. I looked myself in the mirror,
and I said, she's right. I got to cut the
negative aspects out of my life. You know, she's you know,
not dealing with it. Well, my mum wouldn't be happy

(16:52):
with me, and I'm not happy with me. That's what
it comes down to. If you want to make real
change in your life, you have to be the one
that wants to make the change. And I looked at
wde to Be and I said, Okay, that's where I
want to be. I want to be back in WW.
I want to be top of the card. Who's the
biggest draw in the company? Brought lessner. He's an animal.
He's an absolute beast of a man. If I'm going
to go toe to toe with him, do I believe
I can beat him up right now? And I looked

(17:13):
in the mirror and I thought, honestly, no, I'm six',
five But i'm not the SIZE i am right. NOW
i was probably about two thirty five two forty not
a great two thirty five to forty like maybe relative
to the average Average, joe, yes but, no not Brock.
LESSNER i got to improve my verbal. Game you, know
he Had paul Him, in one of the best, speakers
and in pro, wrestling you have to be able to
articulate yourself. Well all the time we get live, fans

(17:34):
they give you real time, feedback what's, working what's not.
Working you have to be able to add lib on the,
fly and with people Like paul him you have to
have a good back and forth in front of a live,
crowd keep within your, characters keep within your, time and
entertain that. AUDIENCE i got to get. Better so after,
THAT i changed my, DIET i changed my. TRAINING i
cut out the. DRINKING i started getting on the microphone
every show in The independence AND i saw the, difference

(17:55):
like just, overnight my body, changed my skills on the,
night my confidence grew and with. It a few months
At triple hro on the phone asking me come back TO,
wwe AND i went through my journey WHEN i was
back in ww to the POINT i won a big
event called The Royal, rumbo which gives you a shot
at the title or main event which is coming up.
Soon He WrestleMania AND i challenged Brock lesnar for the.

(18:16):
Title SO i sat down the locker room one day
AFTER i won The Royal, rumbo AFTER i challenged Brought,
lesler AND i saw the image on the, Screen drew
McIntyre Versus Brock lesnar for the ww title And Paul
hayman in the, corner AND i, went that's exactly WHY i.
Envisioned AND i sat down that, Day that's the IMAGE
i had in my. Head that's WHAT i worked, towards
and it's. Happening and WHEN i stood face to face With,
BROCK i, WENT i believe that guy can beat up

(18:37):
that guy within the confidence of pro. Wrests and of
course he still Brought.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Lesler let's take a quick pause for a message from
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Speaker 5 (18:54):
And we're back on The Bobby. Cast who is.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Your favorite athlete as a kid In?

Speaker 1 (18:59):
SCOTLAND i, MEAN yo might not know, him But ali
McCoist is his. Name he was a very Famous scottish soccer,
player the football.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Player did you get? SOCCER i.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
DID i played soccer TILL i was. Sixteen that was
the big sport in my.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Area were you above?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Average great soccer? Player certainly above? AVERAGE i mean at
the TIME i believed it was. AMAZING i had like
friends who were like really really good and they weren't
getting opportunities with the big. Clubs SO i, Was, okay
you gotta work harder at. This SO i. DID i
always put the time in THINGS i want to get better.
At but at the same, TIME i just had this
in the back of my mind that pro, wrestling pro,
wrestling pro, wrestling and even as a, kid, oh SINCE

(19:36):
i was, five we gotta put the story in my.
Book LIKE i said to my dad and. Family you,
KNOW i gathered a family meeting AFTER i saw ON
tv for the first time and, Said i'm going to
be a wrestler one. Day AND i know this because
my dad has told me about. IT i can't say
the darnedest. Things you. Know i'm gonna be an. Astronaut
i'm going, to you, know play for An, america play
For american football, team a baseball. Team i'm going to
write Up dinosaur, professionally and cause who you? Kids AND

(19:58):
i was like with a, wrestler AND i never deviated
from that SINCE i was a. Kid by the TIME
i was, ELEVEN i was like mom And ego training
and he go to, training And i'm way behind on
the wrestling, thing and at, FIFTEEN i finally convinced her
to let me go to a wrestling. Skill it was
twelve hours away from Air scotland In, Portsmouth. England three
different train changes had to take the train down, there
and she finally, like, Agreed, okay if you pay for,
it IF i can talk to the, trainer IF i

(20:19):
keep constant updates on the the basic cell phones of the,
Time i'll let you. Go if you go with one
of your. Friends my Friend, craig we went down together
the twelve hour. Journey we spent a week there for personal.
Training we did the twelve hour journey. Back then after
THAT i was. HOOKED i would go down as often
AS i. Could easter, holidays summer. Holidays they'd have three day,
camps week long. Camps if my mom would give me
the money and my nana would give me the. MONEY
i was down there learning to. Wrestle and then myself

(20:41):
and a bunch of guys started a wrestling school In
scotland because it was none at the, time AND i
would train them WHEN i was learning In, england and
we started shows WHEN i was, sixteen AND i was
about the TIME i had to make the Choice i'm
going to keep going with the, football real, football the
one you keep your, feet The World cup's coming sitting
by the, way or the, Wrestling and OBVIOUSLY i chose,
wrestling AND i stand by that cause we're on the.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Ends were you a good? Student that was a pretty good.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
STUDENT i was, like very. Much you, know this kigh like, wrestling, wrestling, wrestling.
Wrestling BUT i was, always you, know, LIKE i have
to get my. GRADES i have to make SURE i
have this education behind. Me IF i tried, HARDER i
guarantee you it'd have been straight. A'S i was very
much like an a here be, there a couple of seas,
there AND i would always. PASS i would study the
night before most. Exams WHEN i say most exams again high,

(21:26):
SCHOOL i studied for all the exams the night before
as amerco THAT i got through. IT i passed them.
All went to, university got my degree in, criminology and
thanks to all the girls in my, course BECAUSE i
was gone a, lot and during that Wrestling i'd vanished
miss classes here and, there and they always had the
notes for. Me and as long AS i had the,
NOTES i was always able to retain the information and
the education thankfully came came pretty easy to, ME i,

(21:46):
said mass and. Chemistry like as soon as it bitt
the alphabet beside, NUMBERS i was, like screw. That BUT
i always, figured Like rick And rick And, marty school
doesn't seem like a place for smart, People like it
just seemed pretty easy as long as you retain information
and regard you to the Inform it's, like N i
can retain. Information that's.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Easy why criminology.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Saw my guidance counselor in high school and we kind
of talked about WHAT i want to study AT uni
and what do you want to do? Next AND i was, Like,
Okay i'm going to go to university Because i'm waiting
to BE wwm too young right. Now and they were, like,
okay let's pretend you're not going to do. That BUT i,
am LIKE i could even deviate from. IT i KNEW
i had to believe it myself or it would never.
HAPPEN i, was, okay let's just assume that you are
going to do, it but you need to do something

(22:26):
in the. Meantime Then drew, went, okay let's do. That
so what about. This you, Know i've got pretty good
aptitude for business studies and it was always straight as
for that, AREA i was that's kind of. BORING i
just can't imagine myself doing it at that high level
because you know what's going to do for him in the.
Future and we just started going through courses and finally
she mentioned criminology was a new course At glasgow Calendar Donian.

(22:48):
University it's a short bush ride from my parents'. HOUSE
i wouldn't have to move. ANYWHERE i can still stay at,
HOME i could still go down, there AND i could
still stick to my, gym keep my training up for the.
Wrestling AND i was all was a MASSIVE X files
fan as a, kid AND i was, like, okay WHEN
i was really, YOUNG i wanted to play For Glasgow,
rangers my soccer. TEAM i wanted to be a professional
wrestling w TO b AND i wanted to be molder

(23:10):
in THE X. Files so all, right this is this
gets me along those. Lines and again like if we
don't have time to tell her the stories That i've.
Got but WHEN i was a, KID i was really.
Weird i've told this story a few, times it's out.
There but WHEN i was ten eleven years, OLD i
had a subscription to a magazine you, know it was
Called THE X factor had paranormal in their, UFOs strange.
DISEASES i read about You bola WHEN i was that
age and, stuff AND i had a sample letter for

(23:31):
THE Fbi freedom Of Information. Act if you send to
this request the documents you want to send them to.
You SO i took my pocket, money requested you, Know Roswell,
Documents Project Blue Big, documents and said that way in
my pocket. Money my dad was waiting for me WHEN
i got home from school With dussie about five inches.
THICK i was a, dad why are you? Home you
never home at three o'clock in afterno hear's home about
six or, seven, Son why are THE fbi In america

(23:51):
sending you these? Documents so BECAUSE i asked for, them
AND i was, Like, sonny he kept saying In, america
why are The Federal bureau Of investigation In america sending
you my eleven year Old sun these? Documents? Sun the
up and Up, daddy it's my pocket. Money it's another
the freedom of information that gave, me give me a give.
Me it was like just going to save and be.
Normal it's LIKE i. Am but first took my documents so,
YEAH i was a very very strange. Kid it was
such a target for billion but was too big to.

(24:13):
Bully fel bad for those. Bullies do you love? Wrestling love?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
It but do you have an interest IN? UFOs?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Oh, YEAH i MEAN i still see the stuff going.
On it's just. Funny noone else. Does there's just so,
much so much stuff coming out right, now and so
many clear videos. There obviously there's there's a lot of
a lot more out. There And i've always believed THAT
i just understood through my magazine subscription as a kid
that if you find out too, much you're going to
vanish somebody focus on that wrestling. Thing but it's all
coming out. Now and there have been nine scientists. Disappear

(24:43):
that's kind of scary that. Stuff, yeah like.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Either dead or missing, yep all involved in you, know, physics,
aeronautics and they're either you, know the leaders of their
groups or researchers within the.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Group nine. Yep and people are finally starting to pay
attention to the the information that's coming. OUT i don't
know if they would keep releasing videos like the you,
know like fire pilots seeing things that planes cannot, do
and why does nobody care about. THIS i, know the,
pilots like you'll, say we can't do, this and everybody's,
like did you see the? Latest i've always use The
kardashians and. Examples, sorry quite relevant, now BUT i seeing
where The kardashians that this, week whoever rally T tv

(25:18):
or whatever nonsense is. VIRAL i was like a little
bit of the one over. Here but the planes or
things that are doing things that we can't.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Do the thing that's going faster than any object we've
ever created with no propulsion at, all.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yep defying, physics coming out in the, Water.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yes defining, physics and like three times, Three like we
have the ability to know up to a certain, point
but these things are going three four times as fast
as anything we've ever, created stopping on a, dog, yes
and again with no trail.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yep AND i mean it's fairly obviously at this. Point
you're an idiot if you don't. Believe i've always felt that,
Way but obviously things are shaped the way others shape
for a reason to make people feel the way they,
feel and it worked for decades and. Decades but just
look for the, proof look for the en and it's pretty.
Simple if you take five minutes into your own. Research
even AS i, say as an eleven twelve year, OLD
i was so into it AND i got to the

(26:06):
point WHERE i was, Like, okay this is obviously, real
but what AM i going to do about? It IF
i find out too, much MAYBE i. Disappear so let's
let's say focus on the wrestling. Thing and as it worked,
out just faing for me going down this, route and
everyone else is starting to open their eyes now the
WAY i felt WHEN i was eleven twelve years.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
OLD i feel like their slow. Rolling it's a little
where like what you're talking.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
About more and more is coming, out but little by
little so and they're make it's everywhere. Now and their
Documentaries The age Of disclosure came out excellent and you had,
real like real, scientists not, people not.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Government official, sessions, pilots people test to find In congress
asking can we please release this information to the. PUBLIC
i think they're ready to handle, it and, yes makes
it's a little bit easier to show somebody go and
check this. Out as opposed to one of the was
the one guy Goes aliens did it with a crazy.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Hair Bob lazar is that has put out a document
just like in the past couple of. Days you, know
he's he's the guy that worked down, there, yep and
has like seen it. All, YEAH i feel like that.
Documentary i'm really into. It oh, Yeah i'm really INTO.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I, Mean Ages disclosure is the best One i've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
IT i agree because they're all.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Credible everyone in that documentary is. Credible and to me
that you, know the wild part is when they talk
they explain why we don't release information because we don't
want our adversaries to know what we. Have meaning if
we have found spacecraft whatever you want to call, it
and it's advanced and we're trying to reverse engineer, it
we don't Want russia Or china to know what we
do or don't have in case they have in case

(27:40):
they have more or less than.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Us makes. Sense may imagine everyone just got on the
same page and live in. Harmony it's just all right
if you got the one them to know what we
have and they don't want to know what we have
because they'll be our a kid they don't they'll take. Over,
god we're really a life for a find, Out Matt. Tame,
guys let's just all got Along jesus.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
The Bobby. Cast we'll be right. Back this is The Bobby.
Cast how much do you eat?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Today? Lots, Well i'm supposed to. Eat doesn't always, happen
but generally When i'm on the, road it's harder to stick,
to BUT i get close to. It sixty two hundred.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Calories and is that sixty two hundred clean?

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Calories, yep as close AS i can get to clean,
CALORIES i. Am they'll be things like sweet potatoe, fries et. Cetera,
there but it's the kind of cleanest version of that
THAT i to buy from the. Store my trainer, Recommends
does it feel like a job? Eating? Yeah WHEN i
eat six hundred, calories like that's the only WAY i
can stay at right, now probab about two hundred and
seventy five. Pounds that's WHAT i want to go into,

(28:47):
wrestle any. ASS i wrestle a very athletic, style SO
i like to keep my my cardio. Good but the size,
good et. Cetera so two seventy five is about. Right
but in order to maintain this, WEIGHT i have to
eat basically that every day OR i fade away my
metabolism even you, know forty right, now my metabolism is
through the.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Roof what do you think your natural weight would be
if you just ate?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
NORMALLY i said about two. Thirty. Wow, REALLY i dropped
weight like, crazy, like But i'm. SICK i can drop
like fifteen pounds twenty pounds in a. Week it's just.
Unreal head cricket falls off. ME i feel. Bad friends
got the exact opposite. Problem they, go it must be so.
Hard it is the, game the. Weight it's really. Hard
but at the same, time if it was harder to
lose the, weight it'd probably be more more.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Upset if you're wrestling and you have a match with
somebody that you genuinely, dislike oh, yeah because.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Is that genuine?

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Though oh, yeah he's a genuinely, terrible terrible, person AND
i grew up around. Him if anyone you know doesn't
know him out, there just google. HIM i used to
say this to the fans because seeampunk was gone FROM
wd for ten years because he couldn't hack, it so he,
quit even THOUGH wb gave him everything and all the
wrestlers that made him look good and lost to him
and made him a big giant star and made them
millions of. Dollars he turned his back on, everybody, left

(29:59):
took his ball and went like absolute piece of. Crap
he came back to the company and then everybody's cheering
them Because i've been saying his name for, years because
he is very much Like Charles, manson where he can
just convince these fans he's a good, person he's a,
messiah and they buy into, it And i'm, like good for,
Him like he's a, talent much Like Charles, manson he's
a talent to get in people's heads and just make
them do what he wants them to. Do so they
would cheer, him and they started turning on me a little.

(30:19):
Bit AND i was always The scottish, warrior the. HERO
i kind of you, know helped they, say hell ww
we all did. It BUT i was the champion DURING,
covid during the, pandemic when nothing else was ON. TV
i was the one holding it. TOGETHER i was, like,
guys we can get through this. Together i'll be you,
know your. Warrior i'll never give up on. You AND
i tried never to give up with the, fans even
though at that point they started choosing this other guy
and cheering this other guy and kind of booing. ME

(30:40):
i was a. GUYS i thought it was your. Guy
that's kinda hurts my, feelings Like i've went through hell
for you and this guy doesn't care about. You and
as time went, ON i talked about facts, EARLIER i
deal in. FACTS i, said just go on the internet
and google his name and get the character witness reports
of the people that know. Him he's a genuine piece of,
crap and get the character witness reports of. ME i
only ever tried to help people and help people and
encourage people to chase their dreams and learn from my.

(31:01):
Mistakes he is absolute trash and it made for COMPELLING.
Tv we ended up having a very entertaining rivalry ON,
tv and we went back and forth in the. Microphone he's.
Somebody WHEN i talked about kind of learning to be
quick on your, feet he is very quick on his.
Feet he is, very very good on the, microphone and
we shredded each. Other we said horrific things about each,
other and it was entertaining for everyone. Else but we

(31:22):
don't like each, other and we laid into each. Other
people started, questioning wait a, minute that's pro wrestling, thing you.
KNOW i thought it, was you, know when these guys
are hitting each. Other it seems like they're actually hitting
each other because we were and we kind of an
understanding without kind of seeing it to each. Other that,
Listen let's try not to break each other's. Noses let's
try not to cause any permanent damage to each other
when we go out. There we feel this way about each,

(31:42):
other let's just let out in each. Other let's see
some kind of. Therapy and we never had that. Conversation
that's just the WAY i, felt AND i assume the
way he. Felt and for our, audience it turned into
gold because personal wishes equal. Money if you genuinely, believe
like any boxing, FIGHT ufc, fight if you think they
generally don't like each, other or they do don't like each,
other you're generally going to pay more. Money you're a
watch and it resulted in great entertainment for the. Fans but,
See i'm, punkish trash.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
See AND i feel like you guys were so good
at not liking each other that you actually liked each
other BECAUSE i thought it went off so. Well that
looked like there was a lot of respect. There and
you're not messing with, Me you're Not you're not just
angling me.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
HERE i can stand up to this. DAY i just
see each other backstage whenever we were in different. Shows,
yeah they moved as different. Shows we finally had a big.
Match the big blowoff match was Called hell in A,
cell So i'm sure you, know but for the, audience
it's a giant cage with a roof on top of.
It and during the, match you, know he got a
couple of marks where he was bleeding in his. HEAD
i got hit by a, toolbox and a lot of people, say,
oh you must have used the razor blade and cut,

(32:36):
yourselves and, NO i get hit by a toolbox and
the middle of my head split right down the middle
like an. EGG i didn't expect it to. Happen he
obviously didn't expect it to. Happen i'm sure he was loving.
It BUT i resulted in seventeen staples those pictures online
WHERE i started bleeding and it was spurting out of
my head like crazy and ww like we're you know these,
days and very much on top of the health, stuff

(32:56):
especially head. Injuries instantly the, backstage we're talking to the
referee on the headset there the low weird pieces in,
there and saying to, me are you? Okay you have
to let a doctor check. You SO i got out
the cage because it was, very very. Bad the doctor
was able to look me over AND i was telling
Him i'm, fine you'll do a quick check THAT i
was all, there, miraculous like it was such a horrible,
headshot BUT i was still with, it and they were
monitoring me through the, match BUT i bled buckets like

(33:19):
through that. Match we had this great. Match it wasn't
the traditional hell in the cell. Match there wasn't like
stunts and the. Likes we just beat the absolute crap
out of each, other and inevitably he. Won AND i
like to, say because of, bloodless you didn't actually beat me.
Whatever the story was the, story and uh, yeah he's
a piece of. Crap to this, day there was no mutual.
RESPECT i understand he's good at his. JOB i Understand

(33:39):
i'm good at my. JOB i understand we crayed magic.
Together BUT i understand he's a piece of.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Trash but there's no respect gained even after you pull
off an epic, match because you have to have each
other's back to a point in that.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
RING i will never hurt my opponent. Intentionally that's rule number.
ONE i never ever hurt your opponent. Intentionally if you've
got real legitimate, issues you go out there or you're,
professional you get the job done and they and you
just don't talk to each other. Afterwards like WHEN i
was a, kid he caused me a few issues personally as.
Well it was hard to like go And i've let
a lot of things, go AND i did let those.
Go but as far AS i was, concerned he's changed

(34:11):
in a few, ways but he's not changing a lot of.
Ways he's still still the way he. IS i observed
from a distance and see that he's still out for.
Himself and there's a few people out THERE i believe
still out for themselves and he's one of. Them SO
i want to give. BACK i want to lift up this.
BUSINESS i want to make sure the next, generation you,
know get the information THAT i have from twenty five
years of. Wrestling he's god knows what age is right,

(34:32):
now probably his. FIFTIES i think he's like forty eight or.
SOMETHING i know he wants to hold onto that. Title
he wants to hold onto that top spot until he
retires and not help. Anybody and you're not, Stuck you're not.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Playing me right.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Now, NO i don't want to get to give him
all this airtime. Either we're just wasting our time talking
with this piece of.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Crab i've fallen for what he.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
DOES i know BECAUSE i told You Charles manson like. Qualities,
yeah it sucks you in like it's. Amazing it's a.
TALENT i don't deny his talent like the people, that
especially someone that like, him like he's skinny and fat
at the same, time he's got horrible.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Tattoos he doesn't drink like you're playing me right, now.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Doesn't, drink doesn't do. Drugs he's sounds like a good,
type LIKE i would. Know's i've nerve it out with,
him Like i'm not gonna go at the bar with.
HIM i can sit and drink freaking pepsi all. Night
so the guy is just an absolute piece of. Trash
but he does have that amazing talent and he somehow
people relate to him and he draws them, in and,
yeah that's.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Amazing who's an awesome?

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Guy an awesome. Guy there's a few awesome. GUYS i
usually rip on my good Buddy, seamus But seamous is an,
awesome awesome. GUY i always make fun of him for
being so old and his my older. BROTHER i always
like to joke THAT i met him WHEN i was
nineteen and he was forty three at the, time and
we'll come up, together but where there's a seven year age,
gap so he his an older. Brother we got we'd
wrestled In europe together WHEN i was at. University he

(35:42):
taught me out to work, out to really get in.
SHAPE i helped him with his en ring. Game we
came To america. Together we he won the ww title
the same NIGHT i won the Inter continent and At
Contell town we're sitting a hotel. Room oh my, GOD
i can't believe we're pulling this thing. Off and best
met each other's weddings and the, likes and you.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Guys were best man each those. Weddings yeah you're real friends, then.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Oh, yeah real real. FRIENDS i wish that had the
speech on film BECAUSE i shredded as.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Ours that's why that's WHY i think to See hm punk,
thin because you're shredding.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Sea but it's all good fun When i'm shredding, Him,
like CAN i also say nice things about? Him i'm
not going to say one nice thing about Seeing punky,
said he's Got Charles master like. QUALITIES i don't know
if that's a confliment or. Not but With, SEAMUS i was,
like you, know he's he's a ginger like you never
got much girls as a. KID i had to help
him out with the girls because it was a ginger altar.
Boy the girls weren't exactly lyning. Up it's like a
fat ginger altar. Boy So i'd help him out, there

(36:29):
the girls in the. Legs THEN i put him over
it over his wife gonna say nice things about him
because he's a genuinely good guy in an amazing.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Wrestler when you finish a, match if it is a,
long intense, match it is something always, hurt, always not.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Always do you come out of a big match ever
fully one hundred percent?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Healthy Uh, no, sore always. Sore these days the schedule
is such like we used to. Wrestle we are fifty
two weeks a, year but we used to wrestle three
four days a week. MINIMUM i probably did that for
eighteen years. Straight your body gets. Callous eventually you get
used to being hurt all the. Time not, injured but
hurt all the, time just because of the nature of the,
schedule the, flights the, cars the matches, themselves it all.
Accumulates no matter what you think of, wrestling gravity is

(37:07):
still real. People but these DAYS i probably wrestle one
match every couple of. Months they finally eliminated most of
the non televised. Shows one the, Talent we're just getting
hurt all the time and going out, quicker and two
for a profit, standpoint it just didn't make. Sense it
never made sense to me profit. Wise so now the
money's and THE tv deals and all the other massive

(37:28):
deals that the billion dollar Man Nick can is constantly.
Making so Because i'm wrestling once every two, months every three,
MONTHS i do feel Like i've been in a car
crash after the. Matches AND i train for each match,
now LIKE i assume like a box that we trained
for a FIGHT ufc, fire we train for a. FIGHT
i train for each pro wrestling. MATCH i keep myself
looking the part on the, outside but ALSO i get
ready to take that physical. Abuse and every MATCH i

(37:49):
know is coming, up every big, match LIKE i know What.
WrestleMania in less than two, Weeks i'm Wrestling Jason Jacob.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Fatuever it'll be this weekend when this airs it'll be
this weekend coming.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Out i'll be wrestling this weekend In WrestleMania Against Jacob
fattoo in an unsanctioned, match which means there's no. Rules
we can use any weapon we want on each. Other
we've built the, story you, know real well over the.
Past it's probably been about six month built for this.
Story it was like a side. STORY i was w
champion for a few months feuding With Cody, rhodes who's
a current W b, champion and the side story was With,

(38:19):
jacob and we transitioned Into jacob AND. I i know
we're really. Escalated and when people see, this you'll see
how far have escalated it Where i'm harping on his
former criminal pass that he served some, time that he's not.
Changed he's still a, convict he still. Steals he's still
my World, Tito he's still my main event In. WrestleMania
in a, Resume i'm going to make him suffer and
then there's no rules, match and you, KNOW i reckon
When WrestleMania is. Over even though we've Got Roman reigns

(38:40):
against The Him, punk big, match big, Names we've Got
Cody rhodes Versus Randy artin also a big marquee. Match
when this is, Over WrestleMania is, over biggest show of the,
year a lot of star, power a lot of celebrity
names will be. Involved they'll be talking about Mcintyren fatoo
because we're going to beat the crap out of each,
other make everyone question what they think about pro.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Wrestling whenever you are given in this, story do you
have much input on the direction the story.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Goes especially like the way the past few years have
been the, writers the creative team is led By TRIPLE.
H these, days we're very in the weeds for. Details
like in the, past, Well, vince it worked For vince
for years and it probably still would. Work it was
very black and. White good, guys bad. Guys you, know
keep it simple so people can follow the product every.
Week but we, started you, know When TRIPLE h wanted

(39:24):
to make it so, that, hey you, know let's treat
the ones that are tuning in every. Week we have
fifty two weeks a. Year we can create deeper layered,
stories deeper layered, characters especially if you know who you
are and you're able to add those layers to your
characters and able to take fans on a journey with
you and understand your reasons for doing things a lot
more shades of gray instead of just black and. White
and it's been very cool to you, know have that,

(39:45):
opportunity and you know creative will buzz, Me, hey we're
thinking this this. Week what do you? Think And i'll
give my two. Cents then on the day you know
of the opportunity to Go i'm not feeling this and
go to triple h himself and go what do you
think of? This we'll have a lot back and. Forth
and then ONCE i get out, there if the live
crowd aren't digging it, is oh, No i'm going to
try and change it, now But i'll stay within the
confines of the. Story but we get real time feedback

(40:07):
by the live audience with twenty thousand people doing the
exact opposite of what you thought that we're going to.
Do so if you're confident enough and you know your
character and you're relaxed Like i'm mister, relaxed you can
take a different direction and make sure the fans start
getting involved and kind of doing what you want them to,
do which is number, one get emotionally, involved because if
you're not emotionally, involved you might as well. BE i
don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Not there are there two DIFFERENT i don't want to
say versions of relief because it's kind of feel awesome.
Too but when they tell you you're gonna win the
title and when you win the, title is that two
different awesome?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Moments?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah or do you feel like you may not win
it if they say you're gonna win, it they may
change it before.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
You. Yeah, YEAH i MEAN i have been Told i'm
gonna win it more times THAN i can, count AND
i never want Like i'm a Fourth i'm a three
time that would be, champion a one time world. Champion
but up until IF i won every ONE i was
TOLD i was probably gonna, Win i'd be like a
twenty time. Champions but but, yeah, Yeah so when it's
SOMETHING i get told something's, HAPPENING i don't assume it's.
Happen it's just because we're week to. Week things can,
change people get, injured storylines changed for a one hundred different.

(41:05):
Reasons but WHEN i get TOLD i was gonna win
the most recent, one it was In, january the first
SmackDown of the. Year it was In, Berlin. GERMANY i
was Wrestling Cody rhoads and the third match we'd had
during our storyline. Together it was gonna be Three stages
of hell match they call, it where it starts off
with a regular singles. Match then it was going to
be a street. Fight we fought all over the, arena

(41:26):
and then finish in a cage. Match and by this,
point everyone's kind of used To cody being the kind
of main centerpiece of the. Company he just wins all the,
time and that was part of my. Stake he's the corporate.
Guy he wins all the. Time it's like repeat watching
the show him as the. Champion i'm here for, Change i'm,
Dangerous i'm, UNPREDICTABLE i am Like i'll just say what's
everyone on my? Mind drives the office. Crazy but, yeah

(41:46):
so everyone just Assumed cody was going to. Win and
then at the end of that match In, Berlin jacob
showed up to take me out WHEN i was trying
to leave the. Cage he win a cage match by
leaving the, cage and he came in tried to take me.
Out cody got between, him SO i was able to
gape out the. Cage so the WAY i look at,
IT i beat two guys to win the title that.
Night it gave everyone a nice shot becau everyone's Expecting
cody to. Win it put the good guy who's always

(42:08):
kind of, winning like it gets boring if the good
guys just winning all the. Time it Put cody in
a position where you got the title taking off of
them screwed in a way he has to chase and
now he has to find some. Grit he has to
dig deep down to overcome the. Odds and as the bad,
Guy i'm able to take the title and, say all,
RIGHT i finally got the one Thing i've been screwed
it off for. Years that's my character's. STORY i keep
being screwed and screwed and screwed and. SCREWED i finally
have this. Thing i'm gonna be Like schmi going large

(42:30):
of the, rings my. PRECIOUS i will do anything to
keep this thing. Now so it was very exciting to
get TOLD i was getting it that day at FIVE.
PM i found out.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Before the show's that's when you find.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
OUT i got the official words that it was happening
BECAUSE i seen there's a lot of conversations and it's
like wrestlming a season if something like that. Happens it's
a huge. Deal it has to go through the top top,
channels and everybody got on the same page of the
story going. Forward and WHEN i got, TOLD i, was,
okay that's, fine and we had a forty five minute.
Match But cody's so. GOOD i know What i'm. DOING
i wasn't worried about the match, Whatsoever so let's give
them a. Show and it got everybody, talking put the

(43:00):
characters in an interesting position that gave the product a
shot in the arm For WrestleMania season and for me.
Personally the next DAY i was In, scotland SO i
got to walk out In, Glasgow scotland as ww, champion
with my family all, there with my country all. There
i'd won the title two times during the pandemic with
no fans. There there was a warehouse the first TIME
i Beat brock for the. TITLE i Beat Randy art

(43:21):
on the second time with a bunch of screens AND
i lost the title by the time the fans came.
Back WHEN i won the world Title, WrestleMania i got
cheated off at five minutes of forty six. Seconds layers
again all part of the against the character, storyline AND
i finally had the title in front of live. Fans
that wasn't just live. Fans it was in front of my,
country in front of my, family AND i was able
to tell them. ALL i told you, ALL i was
going to bring this. Back it's taking a few title,
rains it's taken a few times getting, screwed but here's

(43:44):
the Title scotland and presented it to. Them it's pretty.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Cool let's take a quick pause for a message from our. Sponsor,
wow and we're back on The Bobby. Cast whenever you got,
Here you're an extremely warm.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Guy thank you.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Again i've seen you on television so much that you you,
know you're not a warm guy on. Television that's You're
you're not supposed to be, right you're playing. That BUT
i was surprised at how warm and just how like
kind you are from the second you walked.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
In do you like being the bad?

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Guy? Oh, yeah by guys are more, Fun but they
think about my. CHARACTER i guess WHEN i was, YOUNGER
i was a stereotypical bad. Guy i'm far From. Scotland
who screw, You? AMERICA i know that just but s.
Boring like the fun thing about a character now IS
i call myself the last good, guy AND i speak in,
truths and my thing IS i never want to. Lie
but no one likes good played or nobody likes someone
who over, explains AND i constantly over explain Why i'm

(44:42):
not the good guy and the reason the WAY i
am is BECAUSE i get screwed out of the title
in twenty twenty two in front of my whole family
in THE uk By Roman reigns and his entire. Family
my family were, there and have you ever heard OF
ptsd in? TRAUMA i have a lot of, trauma AND
i kept getting screwed and people started cheering the other,
guys and then Seeing punk comes, back then you cheer
the other guy and THEN i get bleed to death for, you,

(45:03):
all all my fans THAT i fought so hard, for
And i'm out for three months and you'll move on
like that's part of the character. Stick and it's also
kind of. True because the product's so fast moving fifty two,
weeks there's no time to think about who's out of
sight out of. Mine you don't think About Stone, cold
we don't think about The rock unless they're ON tv
right in front of. Them AND i came back and
the mindset, Was i've worked my life for, You i've
bled to death for, you and you all forgot about.

(45:24):
ME i got one phone call WHEN i was, Out
so from now, On i'm gonna fight for, me fight
for my, family and do whatever it takes to become.
Champion and the whole. Time you, know that's like a
fun little, bit but also kind of based in. Truth
they deep down. It it's, true but it's also not
true BECAUSE i get, it AND i love the, fans
AND i love WHAT i, do AND i feel very
fortunate but as fun as hell to go out there
and play the bad, guy but also Believe i'm the

(45:44):
good guy because Everything i'm given is facts from my,
perspective and every great bad guy has truth and what
they're saying and justification of what they're.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Saying what's the travel schedule like for?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
You every? Week all? Over but it's not as bad
as it used to, Be so.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
You're just you're not private? Everywhere are?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
You? Sometimes but not not as often as i'd like.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
To if it's a big if it's Like WrestleMania coming
up this, weekend will you fly private BECAUSE i might
preserate body?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Preservation?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah For? Mania, yeah just because of my wife and
family and. Stuff will be there fine by. Myself i'm
not that bothered as long As i've got a direct or.
Whatever and we'll see how the next contract goes the
companies start paying for all flight or a fly private
all the. Time but but, yeah it's a big difference
having a flying uber and when you're in the private
plane as opposed to the commercial. Flights and unfortunately with you, Know,

(46:35):
nashville no Fans, southwest but it's mostly the direct and
it's not ideal for for somebody my.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Size do you ever have security with? You and are
they smaller than?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
You every? Time In america no security until we get
to the venue and a security of. There And europe
the security of. There and there are some big. Dudes
i'm bigger than most of, them but there's a lot of,
big big. DUDES i just happened to be a really big.
Dude and there's some, bad bad dudes like sometimes WHEN
i ask, THEM i was, like, hey, man you've o,
guys haven't you Got? Drew don't even worry about. It

(47:03):
so The russian, obviously, yeah that's just one guy that
from all over nobody, says, no.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
What is your workout schedule like, ah these days.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Again a little. Different i'm more a bit preserving the
body but also looking the. Part my train about generally
four days with, weights but also focus on mobility and
stretching and. CARDIO i never did cardio ever SINCE i
played soccer? Football am you do yogat? ALL i do
a little bit Like Diamond Dallas, page former, wrestler has

(47:34):
got HIS DDP y AND i use certain MOVEMENTS i
learned from him that are more rehab based or prehab
based of. Strength and you know your hips and your
shoulders and lower back and things are going to get
hurt in our. Job the big difference maker for me
WAS i took on a personal, Trainer, jeff about eight months,
ago who comes to like my garage. GYM i got
a little gym in the house and he goes through
everything with. Me and he's somebody who had brittal bone

(47:56):
disease growing, up spent a lot of time in a
body cast growing, up just dreaming of being a. Body
but during people don't like, me like you're gonna go
To america be a, Wrestler and that's insane for him
to think he's gonna be a body bout a broad bone.
Disease that's way more, Insane and sure enough he did.
It he's get two rods in his, femurs but he's
strengthened up his. Tenders he strengthened up his joints through
things he learned he'd read, about and he started teaching

(48:18):
me these things and how important diet is for inflammation
and cutting out all the, Crap like BASICALLY i was
eating burgers and pizzas and WHATEVER i wanted for years
BECAUSE i always looked the part because of my. Metabolism
we talked about already and he was, like, no so
that's hurting. You you have to start eating. Right and
the amount BLUEBERRIES i eat now is, unbelievable but it's
amazing for. Inflammation for, inflammation. UNBELIEVABLE i never drank en
off water, apparently even the water is basically beer's basically

(48:40):
water that doesn't. COUNT i had to start drinking at your.
Water but the difference is just. Incredible HOW i feel
with all the mobility, WORK i can throw. Headkicks my
hips were so bad from wrestling for so long and
all the travel and the, LIKES i couldn't barely throw
a psychic anymore beyond like ninety. DEGREES i could throw
it right past my head and now my shoulders feel,
great my lower back feels. Great apparently we you're, tall.

(49:02):
GUY i didn't have much of a. Butt i'm growing a,
butt so everybody out there looked for. It she seen
my tiny. Tights then came AND i rip off my
kilt ur my strip. Routine you can also see my
lovely butt That i've been, Building so make sure you
should in, ladies what about? Sleep, YEAH i mean we
talked about my man lark and arklep. SAY i love.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
SLEEP i freaking Love how many hours a night can
you get? You how many hours a night do you
think you need to.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Have to operate my full? CAPACITY i think eight nine
hours for me. Personally IF i get that, IN i
Know i'm going to be. Good depending on how busy my.
WEEKENDS i had a, crazy crazy last. Week just, again
this is not a normal. Week BUT i DID tv Last.
FRIDAY i honestly can't remember where it, was BUT i
flew back home on The. Saturday, no, no that's not.

(49:45):
RIGHT i DID tv On, friday THEN i got a
flight home AFTER tv On, friday and Then saturday at.
TOO i left To. London THEN i Had, Monday, Tuesday,
Wednesday thursday In. London THEN i hopped in a flight
back To, nashville got in at, midnight and THEN i
took us six twenty five TO tv In Saint louis
this Past. Friday SO i had a bit of a,
crazy crazy past. Week.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Wow and then you still have to stay disciplined within
all of.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
That with your. Food, yeah, yeah that's not so easy
to get TO. Uk, Luckily i've got a lot of contacts.
There i'm from there to get me the meal prep.
Meals but, yeah, yeah there's a lot of a lot
of food that's bad for you in THE, uk and
a lot of a lot of chips like. Fries you
call them here a bit, late the proper proper. Chips
it tastes so, good but guard be, Careful i'll gain
twenty bad. Pounds three final.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Questions when you were coming up and you were doing
The independence OR i guess it could have been BEFORE
wwe or even back in the, middle were there any
wrestlers that you looked up to as a kid that
were really awesome to you once you finally got to meet?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Them got? TONS i feel bad Because i'll forget a
bunch of, names but just a FEW i guess quickly
off the top of my head because, EVERYBODY i can't
think of one person that's been bad to. BE i
never watched punk growing, up So i'm good with.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
That see that's WHY i think you're kidding about Seeing.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Punk BUT i just don't have anyone that genuinely don't
like EXCEPT i don't find any time for hate in my,
life SO i don't really hate. HIM i just think
he's a piece of. Crap LIKE i have no time for.
HATRED i don't hate You, Punk you're just a piece of.
Trash so PEOPLE i Watched, underticker there's one THAT i
was a massive fan of growing, up and WHEN i
got to W Vincent man put him in charge of

(51:16):
me as my. Mentor he, said you don't listen to anybody,
else you listened to The. Underticker so he was the
one that was always there for advice WHEN i was
twenty three twenty four years, old.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
WHEN i was living In, texas he would work out
of the twenty four hour fitness THAT i was going
to work for our fitness And.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Austin he would go to the stair machine and just
walk on the. Stairs how you got work in?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
There, well he wouldn't, left but he would go to
the stair machine and just walk for he would be
there walking WHEN i got. There i'd leave an hour
and ten minutes, later he'd still be, walking really on
the stair.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Machine, WOW i can't do, that and you can't be
thirty minutes and it drives me. Insane, yeah give me another,
One give me. Another that's a freaking Many, Mike Shawn
michael's somebody growing. Up Brett. HART i got to do
A european tour With germany With Brett. Hart he was
he was a massive name, everywhere the, hitman but he
was a, massive massive name In, germany AND i Was
Intercontinental champion at the, time title he made famous for

(52:01):
he won the world. Title so it was cool traveling
Around germany With brett with the, title hearing all the
stories about all The shenanigans get up. Too they can't
write about in his book AND i can't tell in this.
Podcast AND i Was seawan. Himself WHEN i returned TO
WW i spent some time IN nxt And SEAN i
just come in there And i'd spent time WHEN i
was younger with, them BUT i really had some one
on one. TIME i didn't have to go TO. NXT

(52:22):
i could just do the. Shows BUT i, asked CAN
i come and work with? You and he was, like
if you don't mind driving, up it's like a four
hour round treables like Shaw michael's one of the best
of all. TIME i will take the trip to work with,
you and it's like a. PhDe i'm back and forth with,
them kind of learning the way he thinks about. Wrestling
HIS iq level was so, high just the way he
thinks about how we do things in this industry and
how we can connect with people. Emotionally and Obviously TRIPLE

(52:43):
h had a creative now has always been there just
for any QUESTION i have AND i, say can we do?
This so why don't you do? This AND i said
a lot similar to Fit, findley who's a big mentor
of mine, Too like these get the. Same TRIPLE h
And findley are the same WHEN i take them an
idea and go what do you think of? This and they,
go why won't you do it this? Way because no
one's ever done that. Before you JUST i did it
right now because you're so.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Good that's what they say to, you, no, NO i
said to, them oh got, it got?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
IT i MEAN i wish you, said drink the. Man
oh my, god you blow your mind side wrestling, drew
but not all like people Like finley and Later Triple,
age even Like sean as, well like just their minds
are as. SUCH i come up with something THAT i
believe is, crave AND i believe's never been, done AND
i don't think it had been done the WAY i
have in my head Because i'm very. CRAVE i think
about it all the. Time but there are such an advanced.
Level they hear, it they tweak, it and they come

(53:26):
back with the, suggestion AND i, say that's never been,
Done like why he just saying it like it's a normal.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Thing two questions.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Left whenever you're going into a match At WrestleMania coming
up this, weekend do you have to purposefully calm yourself
down so you can think clearly BECAUSE i imagine the
adrenaline is pumping it's the.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Event.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, YEAH i, Mean i'm pretty good at staying pretty,
relaxed especially during the. Day i'm fine until it gets
close to the. Match BUT i got a bit of
a routine. NOW i never really had a routine before
because they keep us. Busy you, know you have that
appearance here and maybe a meet and greet. There earlier
in the, day we're around fans and stuff and keeping
you move and it keeps your kind of off the
task at, Hand and by the Time mania comes, Around

(54:03):
i'll have already kind of thought through WHAT i want
the match to, be WHAT i want to. Present if
it's a dangerous, match that the WHAT i. Have i'll
probably know certain moments that are going to happen because
of the danger, elements but the rest of IT i
want to feel WHEN i get out. There But i'll still,
have you, know a picture in my head and the
STORY i want to tell and emotionally WHEN i vote
from the, Crowd and once it starts getting really close
to the, Match i'll start getting more. Specific and this

(54:24):
is probably something you could have thought of two weeks,
before but we are week to week with A tv
show every, week AND i really start zoning in and zoning,
in and it's, like you, know like an actor or,
whatever like the words on the, page you know where
it can be, amazing but then someone can do them
terrible and they mean, nothing or the words can be
basic and somebody can just have such a performance so
the words don't, matter like it's the performance that you're
given to, Everybody Like i've got something in my head

(54:46):
that could be really good or something we talk. About
it could be really. Good but if you're not there
emotionally that the moves don't mean. Crap you have to
connect with that. Audience you have to get them, involved
you have to get them making, noise you have to
get them to feel, something or it means you know jack,
basically and all about just sitting down and, Thinking, okay
ONCE i get out, there, boom the moves go. Out
in my, head all that matters is what's going on
in my, eyes because that's all that. Matters they fans

(55:08):
can't articulate, it but they can feel it. Subconsciously if
you're not in the, moment if you're not present of
every single thing you're, doing every movement you're, doing every
emotion you're putting out, there even for a, second if
you slip out in your eyes and they see, it they're, like,
oh it's just fake. Wrestling so as soon AS i
go out, There i'm. In at one hundred percent of the,
TIME i Expect jacob to been at hundred percent of
the time and we're. Finished they're gonna be talking about
this match for a long.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Time after a. Match do you ever go to dinner
with the person you just.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Wrestled it's, happened but unless it's like a sham miss.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Or not common, sorry not common to hang out After,
NO i.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Mean, sometimes, yeah like IF i went to the bar
whatever and some of the lads are, there it may
have a drink with the guy you just beat the
crap out. Of, yeah so most of the, guys that's you,
know the case with all.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Right final, question can you buy clothes off the rack? Anywhere?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
No, NO i got this from a gentleman's. Playbook think
this is From you're welcome give me a free. One
but uh, yeah, yeah most of the stuff is customed
my weird chain, Buddy like my legs are long as
hell and big as, hell SO i can just walk
in and get a pair of jeans or the skinny
jeans my wife laughs at, me and even jackets or. Anything.

(56:09):
YEAH t SHIRTS i can, generally you, know get certain
brands OF t shirts that look and my main pretty.
Cool but she'll rip on me for you, know wearing
one of her, shirts but it's actually one Of, MAN i.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Really appreciate the. TIME i appreciate, That, yeah this is
this is Awesome. AGAIN i didn't know what to.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Expect you're you're a massive guy, obviously but.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah super.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Nice do you find?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
People do you find people are surprised that you're so
nice sometimes because they expect you to be the dude ON.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
TV i get a couple of. Things, one you're a
bigger in real life you're ON, tv AND i tell
them to get BIGGER tv and. Uh two is, like,
yeah the kids are so scared of even then suddenly
they're just hanging off the side of. Me AND i
was like, Yeah AND i always tell the kids as
well AS i meet a lot of kids backstage if
the athletes and stuff, come AND i was, telling just
remember me HOW i am Not i'm about to be
out there BECAUSE i know as soon as the red

(56:51):
light goes. ON i, mean one of my nicknames is
The Scottish psychopaths for a. Reason WALK i hope you
have a how do you root? Somebody good luck and?
Wrestling LIKE i don't say good luck but not break a.
LEG i don't know what he, say is there a
non bad luck type good? Luck kill it true and
make sure you have a better match than the idiot Cm. Punk,
SEE i don't believe you're going to react with.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
THAT i don't believe. YOU i think you probably really
love the.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
GUY i just love the.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
GUY i, HONESTLY i do feel that you Love Sam.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Punk, OKAY i promise YOU i did not love thee Hm.
PUNK i absolutely do not love Seem punk caused me
issues WHEN i was. Younger legitimately we're working. Together he
made things difficult at times and other times WHERE i
thought he was trying to help me, out he was
only trying to help him so Fo and Thankfully i'm
not young and naive LIKE i was. Once and he's
a piece of crap AND i don't have to work
with him, anymore SO i can run my mouth about,

(57:41):
him AND i can't help myself such a trash, talker nice,
guy but IF i don't like, it one shut off
about he does have a. Favor i'm giving him all,
this all those promotions right, now But i'm also like
educating the fans of what a piece of trash. Is
And i'm trying not to swear And i've been really wilted.
It as A scottish, person we swear to punctuate, sentences
And i've done. So MAYBE i swore ones just almost
to stop. Myself but no, swears Because i've be calling

(58:01):
him therefore the Word i'm.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
TORN i like you, Though thank you you, too thank
you very much true uh After Wrestlemanning you're super.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Healthy i'll be. Watching thank thanks for the, time appreciate.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
It thank, you thanks for listening to A Bobby cast
production