Meghan Trainor joins Bobby to look back on the song that changed everything, including why she didn’t think “All About That Bass” would become the massive hit it did. She shares her hot take on live performances, the stories behind her No. 1 country songs and what it’s been like writing across different genres. Plus, she opens up about the moments, risks and unexpected turns that shaped her career. Bobby also shares recent conversations from ACM Winners Tucker Wetmore, Avery Anna and Steven Wilson Jr.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
We were both in the session, both debating who should
sing it, and I was like, bro, let's get to
Rascal Platz cut you sing it. You sound just like them.
And then I was like you should be an artist
and he's like I am and I was like, oh,
He's like you should be an artists and I was like, yeah,
I want to be, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode six' ten of The Bobby.
Cast on this, one we will talk in depth With Meghan,
trainor who has a really interesting story of moving To
nashville to be a. Songwriter all about that bass. Hits
she's written multiple number ones for country artists while she's
had number ones in the pop. World she just released
(00:46):
an album Called toy With, me so make sure you
go check that. Out big thanks To meghan for coming
on so here she Is meghan Trainer, meghan good to see.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You, hi good to see. You thanks for having.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Me did you ever do or try out for any
those idle the voice type shows.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Back in your early scared my Publisher Carlo wallace who
back in the, day who was In. Nashville she would
always tell me, like you should be on the voice
And i'm Like i'm. NOT i don't have that voice
LIKE i have like a pretty, voice But i'm a studio,
rat LIKE i can TAKE i can re sing it
and edit it and make it sound. Perfect i'm not
(01:22):
Like whitney that wants to sing Or Ariana grande who
can sing in the bathroom and just belt like a
whole huge hit. Song SO i mean that's WHAT i
feel LIKE i can't. Do so performing for me was
always way too, scary AND i was, Like i'm Just
i'd rather write a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Song was it not about performing for? You way early?
ON i, mean did you want to be a songwriter
more than on a?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
STAGE i THINK i was so insecure and so hard
on myself THAT i didn't picture myself on stage like
singing and dancing and having fun and people singing my
songs with. Me BUT i would always perform growing, up
LIKE i would perform my songs on my ukulele OR'd
had behind a guitar or, piano and then with all
about that. Bass that was the first TIME i had
to sing and dance and do, everything and it was
(02:07):
like such a this feeling to, me like such a
weird new. Experience BUT i like loved, dancing BUT i
never took a dance list in my, life SO i.
LEARNED i learned WHAT i could, do and just kept
proving myself for wrong and was, like oh my, God
i'm kind of. Badass AND i was, like let's keep.
Going AND i recently shot a music video for a
new song Called shimmer that's very heavy, dance AND i
(02:29):
trained for like weeks BECAUSE i. KNEW i was, LIKE
i am not a trained dancer from. Birth i'm gonna
have AND i want this to be a really hit
dance heavy, video and SO i trained for weeks to
like nail.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It how did you feel watching yourself back on camera
once you finished the video or you were like watching
takes of? It did you like watching yourself?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Dance we're all about that bass by That?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, no, no, no the new one that you've the new.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
One i'm. Hyped i'm so. EXCITED i can't at wait
for everyone to see. It it's coming out with the
Album april twenty, Fourth toy With. Me but this song
is Called shimmer and she's she's a bibbity, bop she's.
Upbeat she's kind of like me. Too my Song IF
i was, YOU i want a baby and it's like
her cool older, sister And i'm so. Proud it's my
favorite music Video i've ever done in my entire.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Career do you will you watch performances back to game
tape yourself to see how you?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Did? Yeah, sometimes OR i. DON'T i was just talking
to an actress about, this because a lot of actresses
LIKE i don't watch MY tv Show i'm in AND
i was, LIKE i can listen to my songs all day,
long that's, fine and when my kids play, it AND
i could watch my music videos BECAUSE i edit them
and they're WHAT i picked and they're perfect in that.
Way but like a RANDOM tv, Performance i'm, Like i'm
(03:40):
not popping that on for, fun you. Know i'm not, like,
oh let's get into, it because you don't have any
control really over, those and like the edit and so
those scare me a, Lot LIKE i have to go
perform the Song shimmer on A tv show coming, up
And i'm terror.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Hyde where did you grow up.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The Nantucket, Island massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And you moved To nashville from? Home?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah all my friends were in college at that point
AND i was at, home traveling TO la And nashville
to do songwriting, weeks like one week at a, time
AND i was just, like, Man i'm the farthest thing
away From, California Like i'm On. NANTUCKET i had to
take a boat and then a. Plane and then at another,
point LIKE i was, like can we just move a little?
(04:23):
Closer and my parents were, like absolutely. Not you're not
living In california at eighteen years. Old but they agreed
To nashville because my publishers were. There they were like
family to, us so they took care of me AND
i got my own apartment and was like a big.
Girl and then WHILE i was there under a, YEAR
i remember it was like exactly a year to my moving.
(04:45):
Date we were moving out of there to go To
california because all about that base was like already becoming a.
Hit AND i was like nineteen when they released, it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Did you write that song here At?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
NASHVILLE i wrote it In, Nashville Kevin cadish forty, five
and it's away from my Little bellevue, apartment AND i
remember like being, like why is this studio so far?
Away AND i was such a fan Of Kevin catish
because he Wrote Stacey rico big hits And Jason murra's
big hits AND i was, like this is, sick Like
(05:17):
i'm with a big songwriter and he was awesome and
we just met and we bonded over like being chubby
as kids and being, insecure AND i was, LIKE i
wish they played like doop stuff on radio AND i
wish they played this. Music and he was, like, OH
i love that. Music and then we wrote all about
that base in like under an, hour and THEN i
remember leaving being like do you like? It and he's
(05:38):
LIKE i like. It you like? It AND i was, like,
YEAH i think, so but we kind OF i thought, like,
well no one's going to cut this because no one
looks or sounds like this and it's very, specific SO
i thought LIKE i failed as a songwriter. LYRICALLY i
was like it was all like a leachy pop on
the radio at the, time so that's WHY i went,
sorry and he was, like, NO i love. It it's.
(05:59):
GREAT i was like. Okay and then like nine months
later of pitching the, song everyone being, like we love,
it but we don't have an ARTIST i could sing.
This La Reata Epic records was, like well who wrote?
It just go find? Her and then they started hunting
me down and they found.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Me you pitched out for nine months before you cut it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yourself, yeah it was a long time of having that
song on.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
There any holds from anybody or any like possible, Holds,
UH i.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Don't think, so BUT i remember My carla was always
like a believer and would shoot for the. Stars and
someone was, like we're gonna send this TO A dell's
team AND i was, LIKE i doubt Adele w was sing,
this but it's sure. AWESOME i can't. Wait, yeah but
there's no way she ever heard.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It when you were living In, nashville were you doing
any sort of songwriter rounds and did you ever Consider
i'll Just i'll just write for country music that Every nashville.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Is felt like you had to do songwriting rounds like
just to get your name and songwriting skills out. There
so LUCKILY i could perform with my ukulele or guitar
AND i would do. It BUT i remember hating it
BECAUSE i was the youngest and everyone was so, talented
AND i would always be like the last to, go
(07:13):
AND i was, like, well and mine would kind of
be like half a comedy set of, me just like being, like, Oh, okay,
guys WELL i hate following. Them this sucks And i'm
nineteen years old and here you. GO i just moved,
here AND i would be like it and the crowd
was always so nice and they were always like they're
really kind to me all the other song WHERE i
(07:33):
was being like it, sucks how good you are at,
Nineteen like you're, annoying AND i was like, thanks. Guys
BUT i was so, scared so, terrified because it's like
at restaurants where people are eating and talking and you're,
like here's my life?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Passion is that a thing when you moved To? Nashville
was it for? You whenever you look around and everybody's
so good, Here like you can go anywhere and everybody
is so. Good there are people that haven't made it
and that are older now that are still so, good
and you wonder how do they not make? It is
that intimidating when you move here as a.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Kid, YEAH i was so lucky THAT i was With
Carla wallace and B Yellow dog because they Had Josh
kerr and he was so nice to me that he
was willing to talk to. ME i was like the
new baby on the, team and it's like those, houses you,
know like the publishing companies are like a big, house
and so you're just looking in the bedrooms and you're,
like hey, guys and they're all writing. Songs but any
CHANCE i would get to talk to, HIM i was, like, Hey,
(08:23):
josh oh my, god so with, it like when another
artist sings your, song like do they ruin? It and
he's like sometimes AND i was like, no he's like
AND i was, like, okay do they change lyrics on?
You and he's like Sometimes AND i was, like oh my.
God and then he always told me like it only
takes one and you never know which one it's going to.
Be AND i was, like really that. Sucks that's. Crazy
(08:46):
and then LIKE i never even thought all about the
bass was going to be. HEARD i thought that was
like my weakest SONG i had compared to all my
other pop. SONGS i was, like even my family was,
like they like the bass. ONE i was, like mm,
hmmm how did that?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Grow because it WAS i, mean it was viral before
things actually went. Viral AM i remembering that?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Correct, yeah it was. Weird it was a, weird just
like lightning strike moment THAT i Think facebook helped a
lot because people were sharing the video going you got
to see, this AND i think it was like bold
and so different than what was on the radio at the.
Time it was a lot of LIKE edm pop, songs
(09:26):
WHICH i, loved SO i was, like this will never.
Work but the music video was so. DIFFERENT i remember
they were, like we want big pastel colors because that's
what's in right, now AND i was, LIKE i were,
Black LIKE i don't understand any of, this and the
video just got tossed. Around and THEN i Remember Justin
bieber did like a random remix of it on, YouTube
AND i called my brother AND i was, like all,
(09:48):
right you have to drop out of college, now like
this is. It i'm, Successful it's gonna. Happen we're gonna
have to live IN la. Together he was, like all,
right meet to.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
There what's the difference in the music culture going From,
nashville where it's everywhere To Los.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
ANGELES i used to ask everyone, like do you love
living In? Nashville do you love living IN? La AND
i remember everyone IN la loved. It everyone In nashville is,
like you, know it's a small town people everywhere everone
knows everyone in the weather's tough because it's very. Bipolar
they switches up all the. Time but everyone IN la
like it was LIKE i Love, la AND i was like,
(10:24):
really AND i Love california because the weather and it's,
great BUT i don't go out much AND i the songwriting.
Scene my only complaint is that they want to start
so late AND i want to start at ten. Am
And nashville was better at that where they would they
would go home to their. Families you, know we'd be,
like let's wrap up at dinner, time let's go. Home.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah a lot of nine am to three, pm four
pms In.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Nashville that's what a should. Be but a lot of
people IN la don't want to wake up because they
don't have kids like. Me And i'm, Like i've been
up for five. Hours so if you could just hit
me the hop oh, here we could get into. It,
yeah are.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
THERE i guess if you're a new artist and you're
living In Los, angeles it's going to be so different
than a new artist living In, nashville where there are
all these places here where if you're, new you can
go get yourself on a, list you can go watch The,
bluebird you can you can learn and find your people IN.
La it feels like that would be a little.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
DIFFERENT i did The. Bluebird that was, terrifying so, scared and,
yeah IN. La there's not a lot of places WHERE
i was sent to to go, perform BUT i was
lucky enough where my song went, first SO i had
to catch up to my. Song AND i like a
lot of people knew all about the, base but they
didn't Know megan and. Trainer they didn't know me at.
All even WHEN i would literally sing it on, stage
(11:36):
they would would come off and they, go you sing
that song AND i was like. Mm THEN i was
the bass girl for like six years and then just
oh that's the bass. Girl AND i was like. Okay
and now ten years, Later i'm are You MEGAN. T
painter And i'm, like, oh, yeah you KNOW.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I you played The. Bluebird tell me about.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That so. Scary Carlo wallace got me. In that was
MY i was, Like i'll do. THAT i won't do the,
voice But i'll Do bluebird BECAUSE i Know Taylor swift
was there and it helped. Her AND i did, it
AND i was so. SCARED i think there's nothing worse
as a performer for me than a, small, tight tiny
room and what a, tight tiny room that is where
you can like see people breathing and drinking and you're
(12:15):
in their face and you're, like here's my. Soul BUT
i got through my. Performance it's just me and a,
guitar nobody, else and you're just so. Scared but my
mom SAID i nailed, it AND i didn't like get
anything out of, It like nobody was LIKE i want
to sign her after. That BUT i got like the
street cred OR i got the cool points of Like
(12:35):
i've performed at The bluebird. TOO i know what everyone's talking.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
About did you do the stage or the round and
inside the? Circle?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
THIS i don't. KNOW i was in a, tight tiny
little room and it was like one songwriter out a,
time SO i didn't have to wait for other people
to sing in a, row but they would come up
and sit and THEN i went up AND i sat
on the.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Stage, yeah, yeah, yeah that. IS i think people are
surprised sometimes when they come to The bluebird because it is,
famous but it's.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Tiny you need, Tiny, yeah it's like it's like singing
for your, classmates which is also my number one. Fear
and for An english, project they were, like let's write a,
poem AND i Said i'm gonna do one. Better i'm
alway to a, song immediately regretted. IT i got in
there with my guitar and was, like Oh, god started
panicking because it's all my high school mean. Friends and
then my throat and my chest got really. Red and
(13:24):
one boy AFTER i, SANG i was like did? It
he was, like why is your next so? Read AND
i was like ohing on AND i got a. Plus
BUT i was, like oh forever hate singing for high.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Schoolers how long ago did you start on this, record.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
This new one? Manuelbum?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah oh.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Like, god right after, tour so like almost two years.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Ago now what's what's the starting point with this last?
One did you find a song or like what Was?
OKAY i think we're starting on the new.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Record i'm always like onto the. NEXT i Think, capricorn
just like keep it, going the hustler and just like
can't stop working the. PROBLEM i needed to take a.
Break and my teen's very. Supportive they're, like, yeah we'd
love another. ALBUM i signed a new deal With, epic
SO i have three more albums with, them so that
like inspired. Me and then we just kept saying after,
(14:11):
tour like let's get the band back, together LIKE i
missed me performing with a. Band so THEN i try
to write all these songs with like real. Instruments AND
i was also doing A christmas orchestral album that'll come out,
later and SO i was inspired by. That but doing
two albums at one time was a mind mess. Up
that was really. Hard but SO i started writing these,
(14:33):
songs and THEN i REALIZED i was doing a lot
of private gigs at the same time, too and WHEN
i would perform on my, hits they're all over the.
Place they're like Dear, fud your, husband douop to Like
i'm gonna lose you on the, piano To, know and Me,
too which are like pure, pop like in sync, pop you.
Know and SO i was, like these two girls are.
Alone so while writing the, ALBUM i was, like we
got to write them some friends so that WHEN i
(14:55):
do these sets there's more of like this makes. SENSE
i think all my my songs are all over the
place sonically in different, genres which is, fun but it's
hard to like pick an outfit for, that and it's
hard to make a stat list where they make. Sense
SO i also took all my hit songs and try
to write them a. Sister on this entire album.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
With all about that, bass do you ever sing it
differently to match the other? Music, no all about that.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
BASS i always keep Og i've added like a Beautiful
disney intro sometimes to hype it up and be, like
do you remember ten years AGO i released my first?
Song and then the crowd starts to hype, up and
Then i'm, like you weren't even, born and neither were
you BECAUSE i could tell their.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
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Speaker 2 (15:50):
Cast what do you think about when you go to
a concert and your favorite artist changes the melody of
your favorite.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
SONG i get. It you can change it a. Little
you can change. IT i understand if you change it
because it's hard to, sing like How adele sometimes will do,
it And Harry styles does that all the time. Too
of like as impossible to singing every, night let me
change the melody so it's easier and more. Realistic i've
done that, Bunch but don't change it to be. INTERESTING
(16:15):
i don't. KNOW i want. TO i LIKE i studied
this in the. CAR i don't want to pull up
and here's something. New it's, hard it's very back and,
forth and it's all everyone's, opinion so you can't please.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
EVERYONE i have some friends that have been playing their
hits for like twenty or thirty, years and they just
wipe them out of their set list or they just
get bored and that's why they do it, Differently and,
LIKE i get. It but it's Like, Garth, well he
won't even play new. Songs he just. Played he's, like,
LOOK i play for the. Fans so if he has
a new, project he might play one new song and
(16:47):
then he plays all hits for three hours and he
plays them exactly the way that everybody. Knows and he's you,
know and he would tell, me he would, SAY i
would rather sometimes play them, Differently but it's not about.
Me it's about everybody came to a. Show because, ME
i would get bored and want to change it up
a little. Bit but hearing him say, that LIKE i
thought that was super.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, also we're living in Groundhog, day you. Know it's
like it's gonna be the same lyrics no matter what
Till i'm seventy You i'm going to be singing old you,
know And i've come to terms with that And i'm
okay with. It and what gets me. GOING i think
What garth is explaining is when the crowd is so
hyped and so happy that you're still in. SHOCK i
(17:29):
cannot believe you still know these, words or like the
new generations come up with you and like they're six
years old and you're, like this one came out before
you were, alive and they know all the. Words it
just gives you a whole new energy and a whole
new high where you're, LIKE i have to do this
for the rest of my.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Life if you're, writing are you going melody first or lyrics?
First just generally, speaking.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It depends on the. Day BUT i always struggled with lyrics,
Obviously like in the beginning when they were, like your
lyrics don't make, SENSE i was, LIKE i don't read enough.
BOOKS i hear. You BUT i was always a melody
Que like In, NASHVILLE i was the melody, girl and
SO i know that my weakest link is. Lyrics so
before my songwriting, Sessions i've been going On pinterest. LATELY
(18:11):
i used to do this with magazines Because Esther dean
taught me this amazing. SONGWRITER i go On pinterest AND
i type in, cute like cute howkgirl captions For instagram
and they come up with the cutest, things or LIKE
i saw shares quote where she's, like, mom hey, MAMA
i am a Rich man AND i was, like we
(18:32):
need a song Called, richmond AND i wrote a whole
anthem about it that's, LIKE i don't have any man
making me. MONEY i do it. Myself AND i love
getting concepts like, that And i'll make a whole list
the night before And i'll go in with my songwriters and,
GO i love this. Concept what do you? Think and
USUALLY i had to teach the songwriters not to do
this for, me but usually they'll come in and go
(18:54):
they'll just, yes man the, artist and they're, like, yeah
if you want that on your, album you're probably gonna cut.
It that's exactly what we should do. Today AND i
started asking they're my. Friends at this, POINT i was,
like can you not just say yes to all my?
Ideas can you push? Me can you say, no we
shouldn't talk about this because this is. Interesting and no
one said this in a, While and then they started doing.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That someone with all the success that you've. Had do
you ever just pull up rhyme zone AND i, Write, hey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
What do you? MEAN i, think uh. Yeah every now and,
then SOMETIMES i really don't need, It but some especially
if i'm writing for like a Movie i've been writing it,
recently where it's LIKE i have to write specifically about
A christmas movie or something that's like about, Elves i'm, like,
okay well rhymes with, hoofs you, know And i'll just get.
(19:44):
Lost but if it's like a pop song THAT i
know the concept THAT i know what we're talking, ABOUT
i can like fly through. It but, yeah if it's
if it's a tricky, One i'm like the rhymes ON
i don't understand where we?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Are what is your hardest song to? Sing and you
look back and, go, MAN i wrote that really, hard me.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Too going hey ye hate it every. Time in the
middle of the, SONG i screamed that, part AND i
After i'm dancing and singing, It i'm, like, well who Did? Hey,
yeah why AM i singing? This like my ad libs
are the death of? Me and in the Studio i'm
SITTING i could scream it out AND i, go, damn
that sounds, Good and then, LIVE i, GO i hate,
MYSELF i hate And i've done. THIS i was, Like
(20:22):
i'm gonna do a level of buy next. Album this is.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Creaensy if you're, sick will you change the key of
a song night of if you can't quite get?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
There If i'm, SICK i, don't BUT i will. Go
you're singing, tonight you KNOW i give it out? MORE
i go and what AND i you could Tell i'm
sick IF i got crop our dissipation throughout the whole.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Song do you ever have to go in and hop
into like a or have them bring you an ivy
or do a shot like right before?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Show?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
YEAH i had two ivs a last, tour AND i
was on steroids like the BECAUSE i was so. SICK
i was on anbiotics and steroids for like two weeks
straight in the middle of, it just to get. By
BUT i remember my voice was shot AND i took
the steroid for my like sign it like WHATEVER i.
HAD i was so ill because the kids were, ill
AND i remember the stairs kicked in AND i, went
let's do, this and my voice sounded, impeccable and they were,
(21:08):
like who's, sick not? You AND i was like, no
it ah.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Until the next day IF, i, oh my.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Gosh, SHOW i was, like oh, oh like in the
middle of, it, YEAH i, Oh i've squeaked like a
clarinet and been like AND i just got whoops and
just keep.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Going whenever you put out a, record because, again it's
not a song because people listen to a song in three.
Minutes but you're going to have this entire, record how
how quickly do you look to see if people like? It,
like what's a good? AMOUNT i put out a book
and that's the worst because you got away like weeks
you put you have to you gotta put out wait
weeks to even see if it's any.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Good what about a, record, man there's there's songs are like.
IT i have no idea if anyone is HEARING i
put out two singles so, far AND i have no
idea if anyone's heard. It and it is the worst
part of all of this is, like there's NO i
TOLD i keep telling my managers because they're, like why
are you going? Crazy And i'm, like cause there's no
like you hand in your report card and you get a.
(22:05):
Grade there's no like you're doing, great.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Sweetie there's none of that it's all, LIKE i hope
people are hearing it when there's so much chaos going
on the, world and my managers are straight up telling, me, like,
listen there's a lot of traffic out.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
There there's a lot going. On the world's. Different we
don't know how to promote music. Anymore we don't know
how to get you, heard and all we can do
is Try and So i'm, like, way So i'm just
doing tiktoks hoping people use this. Sound like that's WHERE i.
Go i'm, like, okay ten thousand people have heard it
because they use this, sound but that's not a lot of.
People and then what also helps, me that keeps me
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going Is i'll meet random, people like outside at the
mall or at a store and they, go oh my,
god and my daughter will not stop Playing Getting.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Girl AND i go the news hunt really and they're like,
yeah AND i, GO i don't know if Funny one's.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Heard so that's really all the only INFORMATION i can
on If i'm doing okay or not is strangers being,
like my daughter won't leave me alone with this?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
One AM i? Crazy didn't you write a number one country?
SONG i? Did Is Rascal flats what was?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Was, sheha, Yeah dann And Cha shay AND i, said,
boy you Sound we were both in the, session both
debating who should sing, it AND i was, like, bro
let's go To Rascal platz cut you sing. It you
sound just like, them and he was, Like, Okay i'll sing.
It AND i was, like it's nice to have a
break BECAUSE i was always singing in the. Sessions and
THEN i was, like you should be an artist and
he's LIKE i am AND i was, like, Oh he's
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like you should be an artists AND i was, like,
YEAH i want to, be BUT i don't. Know and
every session they would say that to me Because i'd
be the session singer and they're, like why aren't you
putting this? Out AND i was, LIKE i don't have
like a label or any of that.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Stuff what was the song was?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
IT i like to?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Sound what was the song sound on?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
That?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah like that kind of relaunched those guys because, they you,
know we got, older had some rough years And i'm
friends with, them SO i can say this that. Song
that song kind of relaunched their. CAREER U were you
writing a bunch for other artists in the country space at?
All or was that just a rite that.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Day that was like a write that. Day AND i
think having all about that bass be released and having
like the hype of all about that bass definitely, HELPED
i think get me the cut and because it was
like such a, cute great song that And shay killed
the vocal wrote it With Jesse shack in. TOO i loved.
Him he's always supported me SINCE i was like. Fifteen
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BUT i think the all about that bass being released helped.
That i'm guessing BECAUSE i remember being like going to the.
PUBLISHER i believe your name Was alison who hooked this
up and she played me their voice on my song
With Carlo wallace While All about that bass was, out
AND i just, like how are all my dreams coming
true right? Now at? ONCE i couldn't believe, It LIKE
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i was crying, Listening so that one was just. Crazy.
Yeah And Laura elena that same Crew jesse shack and
we wrote one for her with her and she's.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Amazing, yeah which one was?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
THAT i don't know that take the roleless you?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Wrote, wait you wrote Road less? Traveled H, well hell,
yeah my mind is a little bit blown BECAUSE i
knew that you had written With. SHAY i MEAN i
was just With lauren yesterday Because lauren just had a,
baby so her and my wife or how they and
so we're like very baby centric over, here and So.
LAUREN i was just talking With. LAUREN i didn't know
you wrote that, Too so what it could HAVE i
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don't know how how he, Left like with that, success
did you think Maybe i'd stay In. Nashville i'm crushing.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
IT i KNOW i had. TO i have no. CHOICE
i had to, go like To germany and promote all
about that. Base LIKE i was. GONE i was waking
up in a different. Country we were, LIKE i don't
know the, maps you, KNOW i don't know WHERE i.
Am and they were like speak these different languages and
say my bass. Song AND i was, like, okay SO
i would. GO i was at a rocket ship AND
i just had to, go AND i was.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Terrified last, question what's the most fun stage of a?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
BABY i, mean you haven't got smiles, yet, Right, nah.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Just if there's farts and that's doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Count i'm at two months and she just started smiling
and it starts at the. Side it's like and it's
the it's like it takes over your whole. Body that'll
be your first joy in life with your. Baby when
they look at, you they recognize you and go ah
and give you the best smile. Ever so that's. Fantastic
but when they're like sitting up, too oh my, god
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you could play, together because for a while they're just helpless,
bobbleheads you, know and you're, like oh my my, God.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Megan thank you rooting for. You hope everything's awesome and
Hopefully i'll see you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Soon thank you so. Much to the.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
Best The Bobby cast will be right. Back this is
The Bobby, cast all.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Right that was great For Meghan. TRAINER i also wanted
to take a couple of minutes because THE ACMs are coming,
up and so to play a clip from each of
the winner so. Far this IS Acm New Mail artist
of The Year Tucker wetmore and it was really cool
to See tucker win this. Award in this, clip you'll
Hear tucker AND i talking about his family, background where
his love for music came, from and if his mom
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supported his music, career which by the, way she's the
one that also surprised him with THE acm. AWARD i
believe it was In, london so that was way after
we did. This but here you go a little bit
With Tucker. Wetmore what are the Wet MoES known?
Speaker 8 (27:27):
For oh, gosh that's a great.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Question take your. TIME i struggle With. Thanksgiving, YEAH i
asked you a really hard that's a great.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
QUESTION i mean it's gonna sound clichepe of just being.
KIND i guess my family's. Great my mom's an, angel
my grandma's known by everybody in the.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
COUNTY i don't. Know just living life day.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
By day like everybody, else is what we're known.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
For what's your? Mon she's one of those.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
PEOPLE i feel like The Good lord has filled her
cup with so much love that she doesn't have any
choice but to like spill it onto. Others that's the
kind of person she, is you, KNOW i always thinking
about other, people very, selfless my number one, fan always
always in my.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Corner was she super supportive of you when you wanted
to start doing.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Music, yeah she was the one that was, like, absolutely
go do.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It did you go to her with the, Hey i'm
thinking about doing, this or what do you think about
me doing? This i'm gonna do this in front of?
You like how did that?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Go?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah so it was it was AFTER i dropped out of.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
COLLEGE i was playing football In montana and ended up getting,
injured like we just talked. About and THEN i moved
back home and then started playing music again BECAUSE i
started playing music WHEN.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
I was like ten or eleven years.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
OLD i started on, piano, guitar, trumpet AND i started
writing a bunch after after. College and THEN i remember
shutting her down on a couch like we're sitting right,
now AND i was, Like, MOM i THINK i want
to do this music, thing and she, Goes i've been
waiting for you to have this conversation with me because you,
know even back in the, day she would always push me, like,
hey you kind of got, something so you should pursue.
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That i'm, like but, football you, KNOW i want to play,
ball and. Uh then it was kind of like a
sur relief FOR i feel, like because she wanted she
wanted me to do, that and you, know she saw
something in me THAT i didn't really see at the, time.
Speaker 9 (29:26):
And she was very.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Supportive help, me help me drive down From. Washington it
took us like three or four, days AND i HAD
covid actually during that whole, trip so she did most
of the. DRIVING i THINK i did probably four hours
of driving. Total but she she helped me move and
then you, know paid some bills WHEN i first moved
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to town BECAUSE i had no, money just a handful
of songs and a.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Dream did she do? Music uh, huh she wasn't musical at. All.
Nope then how we even playing? Instruments?
Speaker 8 (29:59):
LIKE i have no, IDEA i Guess, Okay SO i
grew up in the. Church my grandpa is a, pastor and,
uh you, know being around the church my entire, life
literally every single day being the. Church and, uh my
grandma would would sing the. Hymns AND i grew up
in A samoan, family so they're VERY i don't know
if you ever hung out with like a group Of.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
SAMOANS i never.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Have it's it's a it's a bucket lists.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
ITEM i used to hang out one at a time
With smoan's never. Done i've never done a.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Group, yeah it's it's a it's a fun.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Time are You? Simoan a Part?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Simoan?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Like are in your? Heart? Though like when you look
in the, mirror do you see A samoan? Guy I'm
i'm definitely.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
A mutt in a lot of.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
WAYS i DON'T i don't. KNOW i MEAN i grew
up Around simoan culture my whole, life especially like in the,
summertime always you, know doing cookouts and listening to reggae
and you, know all my aunties and uncles and you,
know it's a huge family type. Thing and but, yeah
to answer your, QUESTION i, Mean smans are very musical
people and very loving people and giving, people and, uh you,
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KNOW i just grew up around, that and it was
it was kind of one of those those things, where
Like i've said this, before but we'll be sitting in
the in the living room After sunday church we just
had early dinner and watching, football and somebody would start
Singing Amazing grace and then the next, thing you, know
the whole family is just Harmonizing Amazing grace in the living,
room coming kind of. Thing SO i definitely grew up around,
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that AND i think that's that might be where it
kind of stems. From BUT i definitely found my own
love for.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Music next up is the twenty twenty SIX Acm New
Female artist of The Year, Avery and Now i'm a
massive fan Of avery and her music AND i THINK
i first saw her though On TikTok months ago doing
An Ozzy osbourne cover and we talked about it in
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the long form of this which you can watch On
netflix or go back and listen to the whole. Podcast
but just a big, fan you know her origin. Story
it's crazy because she started her career and moved To
nashville at such a young age, likeeen like, SEVENTEEN i
think sixteen seventeen and blew up. Overnight so Here's avery
AND i talking about her move To nashville and the
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pros and definitely the cons of going. Viral you just
knew you wanted to move To. Nashville, NO i.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
DIDN'T i didn't even know this was a possibility for.
ME i didn't THINK i was that. GOOD i always loved,
music and it was music was more of like a like,
breathing LIKE i, said for, me it was a very
private thing UNLESS i was singing in. Church and WHEN
i went viral for singing in the bathtub DURING, covid
and THEN i got in contact with my managers AND
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i signed a record deal AND i moved like AFTER
i signed a record in that, order in that, order
and within this span of six, MONTHS i got in
contact with my Manager's october twenty, twenty and then we
started releasing some music and THEN i had like every
now in. HINDSIZIGHT i had like every label in town
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wanting to meet with, me AND i met with LIKE
i think we did like thirteen zoom, meetings and THEN
i signed With.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Warner how do you pick a label when you're only
meeting with them Over?
Speaker 4 (33:09):
ZOOM i don't.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
KNOW i don't.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
KNOW i Just i'm a very spiritual, person very like,
intuitive LIKE i trust my gut most of the. Time
AND i just felt really good About, warner and they
just felt very endearing and like they actually cared about
WHAT i had to, say not just kind of like
wanting to sign a viral sensation and let it be
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what it. Is it felt like. Genuine SO i, signed
and THEN i moved AND i didn't even, know LIKE
i knew about The Grand O, opry BUT i didn't
really know That nashville was like the place you go to,
become you, know a country music. STAR i GUESS i
should have known, that BUT i just didn't really like
put the pieces together in my. HEAD i didn't even
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know WHAT i wanted to do with my. Life and
THEN i was just like this feels, right AND i.
MOVED i lived in the house by myself for like,
WELL i was finishing. School was.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Seventeen at, seventeen were you?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Emancipated, No, no my parents are very supportive of. ME
i just have three other. Siblings they had lives to
do and work to, do AND i am self. SUFFICIENT
i was just LIKE i Just i'm very. Indecisive LIKE i,
SAID i brought two, records but that was the only
decision in my life That i've ever been, like this
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is the right thing to, do AND i know. It
AND i remember telling my mom, that and everyone in my,
family like my extended family and our friends and everyone
in my town thought THAT i was, crazy and then
my parents are crazy for letting me do. That BUT
i think both of my parents and myself just felt
a lot of peace that it was like the right.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
THING i don't know what Is nashville. Like when you
move here and start to see other people who are
doing what you're trying to, do it's really.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Cool you would think that it's, intimidating and it is at,
times BUT I i just feel like the little girl
inside of me that wanted to talk to everyone About
Patsy klein that no one really cared because everyone called Me.
Grandma growing, UP i just loved the classic. Country but
everyone here has their, own you, know music, taste and
everyone's really passionate about, it and there's so much. Talent
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it was just really like, CREATIVELY i was like, very very,
stimulated AND i was just starry eyed at. It i'd
never even been to the side of the, country SO
i didn't know that there's this many trees.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Here AND.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I REMEMBER i was like driving down the road AND
i was, like one of these, Days i'm going to
plow down one of these mailboxes and trash cans because
the roads are so narrow. Too it's a lot of
things That it was a very big culture shock for
me going From arizona to Like.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Tennessee what do you do at eighteen nineteen years old,
here when you're living by? Yourself when you make? Friends?
Right do you go to? Songwriter around's, like how do
you make your?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
CIRCLE i met a lot of my friends at, church
but it was really hard for me BECAUSE i wasn't
going to school or, anything so it wasn't LIKE i
had like people my age to socialize. WITH i was
really just writing all the time with people that, were you,
know late, twenties, thirties, forties so all my friends were
way older than me BECAUSE i consider like the people
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THAT i write with my friends and like my brothers,
Too SO i remember my first co write was With
Ben williams And Andy sheridan and they're still like my
big brothers to this. Day so that was really. Cool and,
YEAH i met people at church AND i like went
to the grocery store and didn't know what to buy
AND i was, LIKE i bought an avocado and some
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apples and. BEEF i still don't really know how to
cook Because i'm touring now AND i don't really need you.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
To but, yeah what's it like to go? Viral looks?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Fabulous i'm sure you totally, Understand but looks fabulous when
you're on the other side of the screen and when
you're looking at all the millions of views and, Likes
and it's really cool because it gave me my, career really,
did So i'm really grateful for what it. Is but
the adrenaline dump after going viral is a big thing.
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Too that was challenging THAT i wasn't.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Anticipating what do you mean by?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
That it's interesting to go from music being something that
you do for fun to all of the sudden it's your.
Livelihood and when you go, viral it's instant. Gratification it's very.
Stimulating you are kind of on like a cloud. Nine
and then if your next video only gets a thousand
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views rather than two million, views it's, like, oh if
this gave me my, success could it also ta get?
Away and that that thought was something THAT i struggled
with a lot in the, beginning AND i was very
conscious of WHAT i was posting and and trying, to you,
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know still be as good AS i was WHEN i was,
megaviral AND i don't, know you kind of just learn
the longer that you do it that it's just it
all comes in, waves and what's genuine and authentic will
always work for. You and if you're trying to be something,
else if you're trying to be, viral if you're trying
to be you, know, commercial if you're, not if you're
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trying to be, artsy if you're, not it's just not
going to. Work you just have to really go with
your gut and say what you want to, say and
not just say something to say.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Something you, know WHAT i.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Mean, yeah not just add to your feed because you
feel like you need to add to your.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Feed, right not JUST i think that that's a very
it works for a lot of, people and a lot
of people have found success that way from being consistently
posting every single, day like three videos a, day and
AND i had a lot of pressure to do that
very early, on and it just it's just not right
and it's not natural for people to, like, surely no
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one has something to say three times a.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Day, NO i, don't AND i have to talk for
six hours a.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Day, Sure AND i feel very it sucked the creativity
out of me UNTIL i realized how to set boundaries with.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
It The Bobby cast will be right, back and we're
back on The Bobby.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Cast, now let's get over To Steven Wilson, junior who
already won his FIRST acm this, year taking home The
Visual media of The year award for his music video
for his Song. Cuckoo stephen has a very interesting origin
story because he was a scientist who dropped his career
to chase his dream of being a. Musician i'm a
big fan of this, guy AND i asked him if
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he had any idea what he wanted to do for
a career when he was finishing.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
COLLEGE i didn't know.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Exactly WHEN i graduated with my degree in micro and,
CHEMISTRY i was, gonna honestly go get my medical doctorate
or at.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
PhD that was my, first.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
My next up because in you, know the applied, sciences
without a, PhD it's gonna be.
Speaker 9 (40:05):
Tough that was my.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Plan AND i ended up starting this indie rock band
the last semester of my senior year of. College and
what was the name of the, Band, Autovka AND i
was a lead guitar, player played this green stratocaster THAT
i still have today and it's A jeff beckstrat and
we just started playing BECAUSE i was playing. MUSIC i
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was playing in jazz bands and university AND i was
a self taught guitar, player BUT i was a serious
jazz nerd and rock and roll, nerd and people would
hear me playing in dorms and. Stuff and WHEN i
moved To, NASHVILLE i met some friends THAT i knew
from the previous college THAT i went, to and they
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asked If i'd want to just play in this, band
AND i was, like, SURE i had nothing better to
do outside of my, degree AND i was almost. Finished and,
anyway we started playing shows and before we knew, it
we had like a manager and we made a, record
and before we know we were on tour with these.
Bands SO i went and played in indie rock bands
right AFTER i graduated from, college not really planning to do.
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That they just this opportunity just kind of came up
AND i couldn't really say no to. It it was
such a cool experience to. Have BUT i, learned you,
know how to handle a, crowd AND i learned how
to sing BECAUSE i became a background vocalist in that,
band AND i was writing or co writing the songs
with the lead. Singer and that's WHY i, really for
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the first time saw a song That i'd written or
co written And i'd see people like react to it
or start singing, it AND i was, LIKE, whoa that's
a that's a new.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
Experience and SO.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
I really became enamored with, that you, know BECAUSE i
was super into poetry and. SONGWRITING i was kind of
like a secret, songwriter you, know outside of my science.
Stuff it was my own little. Secret BUT i wasn't
singing them or. ANYTHING i was just writing these poems
And STANZAS i had books of, them and my mama did.
THAT i used to find her like writing poems on
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junk mail and throwing them. Away AND i just picked
that up AND i channeled that into that band and
then kind of saw those poems come to life in that,
band AND i was, like this is a really special.
Thing you like music and being a creator of. It
i'm not sure if this is is this my career?
Speaker 9 (42:29):
PATH i don't. Know you have a job at this.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
POINT i was in nine to.
Speaker 9 (42:33):
FIVE i was working as a contracted.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Scientist so you were doing that while you were. Touring
how did? YOU i feel like you're a, scientist you're
kind of.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Stationary, YEAH i was working contract to, contract So i'd
work at one lab AND i work at another lab
for a, week AND i kind of work around our touring.
Schedule and there is this company in town that is
a staffing agency for scientists like, chemists, microbiologists and. Engineers
think of it like a staffing agency for, anything.
Speaker 9 (43:04):
But specialized for the applied.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Sciences so you, know some businesses and some laboratories would
need a, scientist but not. Permanently they just need it
for like six months on this project or six weeks
or maybe six. Days and there was the contracts could
be as interesting as you could think, of as long
as you could, imagine and you can take them or leave.
Speaker 9 (43:26):
Them and they were hourly and they.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Would get their cut and you get your, cut and
you could just kind of walk, away go on. Tour
maybe another contract would come. In AND i kept doing
good work and kept doing, contracts AND i eventually got
one for this, Company, mars the food, company and they
kept giving me contract after, contract and one day they just, said,
hey we want to stop giving you these contracts and
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just give you an employment contract and like hire you for,
real and they kind of that was like the first
Time i'd ever been offered a job like, that AND i.
COULDN'T i just married my wife and, kid AND i
had a, kid you, know a step son through, her
and you, KNOW i was in that indie band, still
and SO i made a decision to kind of leave
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the van and tray their life and go into full time.
Speaker 9 (44:15):
Science and that was my.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Life AND i was kind of doing the whole corporate
thing and how long for three and a half four,
years AND i had a really great boss BECAUSE i
was writing songs the whole. TIME i could almost like
work in a lab and do my work with one
hand and write songs with the. Other AND i had
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a great boss that had been there for quite some,
time and you, know he kind of saw myself and,
him you, know some years, ago AND i think he
knew where my heart. Was he KNEW i wasn't supposed
to be. There in the weirdest, WAY i think he knew.
That and he told, Me, hey they're about to put
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the golden hand on. You that's What he was a
really powerful. Metaphor And i'm a word, nerd and he
knew THAT i like, words and that he knew that
was going to do something to. Me and, uh he,
said take you, know do with that what you. Will
but you know you're doing great, here but they're going
to chain you to that desk and your dreams of
being a songwriter are are going to die with.
Speaker 9 (45:21):
It AND i said that to.
Speaker 5 (45:22):
You, Yeah and SO i, said you, know it's going
to be impossible to blow your world. Up then you're
going to have a better, car a better, house maybe
your kid in private. School blowing up that world's going
to be very, hard if not. IMPOSSIBLE I i'd recommend
you blow it up now while there's less pieces to pick,
(45:44):
up and it's going to be, terrible BUT i think
it's going to be way more, terrible if not. Impossible
AND i fear that you, know your inability to do
that later would just be a heartbreaking situation for. You
AND i just want you to know that's kind of
coming down the. PIKE i see it like ten years
down the road for, you just, saying you, know, cheers
(46:06):
have a good.
Speaker 9 (46:07):
DAY i put in my two.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Weeks six weeks after that, CONVERSATION i walked out of,
there and you, know everybody THOUGHT i was, Crazy like
what are you going to?
Speaker 9 (46:18):
Do like they all THOUGHT i was like going To
nestle or, something.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
AND i was, Like nestley get.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
You AND i was like, no, no, No nashville. Did
and they're, like where are you Gonna so you're gonna
go write songs for? SOMEBODY i was, like, no like
you got a publishing. Deal, no someone's cutting your, songs. Right,
no have you ever sang a song? Before, no so.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
At this point you weren't even.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Singing, No i'd never sang a song for anybody in my,
life and so that Was you, know that was a
lot to come to come to terms, with but you
know it was a real leap of. Faith you KNOW
i had, this you know WHAT i call a great
string with a capital p.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
ALL i thank you, guys hope you enjoyed This. Bobbycast
we had a few thanks to making a, trainer and
congrats to all those guys who already WON ACMs this.
Year so we'll see you guys real soon on another
episode of The Bobby. Cast, bye, everybody thanks for listening
to A Bobby cast production
We were both in the session, both debating who should
sing it, and I was like, bro, let's get to
Rascal Platz cut you sing it. You sound just like them.
And then I was like you should be an artist
and he's like I am and I was like, oh,
He's like you should be an artists and I was like, yeah,
I want to be, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode six' ten of The Bobby.
Cast on this, one we will talk in depth With Meghan,
trainor who has a really interesting story of moving To
nashville to be a. Songwriter all about that bass. Hits
she's written multiple number ones for country artists while she's
had number ones in the pop. World she just released
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an album Called toy With, me so make sure you
go check that. Out big thanks To meghan for coming
on so here she Is meghan Trainer, meghan good to see.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
You, hi good to see. You thanks for having.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Me did you ever do or try out for any
those idle the voice type shows.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Back in your early scared my Publisher Carlo wallace who
back in the, day who was In. Nashville she would
always tell me, like you should be on the voice
And i'm Like i'm. NOT i don't have that voice
LIKE i have like a pretty, voice But i'm a studio,
rat LIKE i can TAKE i can re sing it
and edit it and make it sound. Perfect i'm not
(01:22):
Like whitney that wants to sing Or Ariana grande who
can sing in the bathroom and just belt like a
whole huge hit. Song SO i mean that's WHAT i
feel LIKE i can't. Do so performing for me was
always way too, scary AND i was, Like i'm Just
i'd rather write a.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Song was it not about performing for? You way early?
ON i, mean did you want to be a songwriter
more than on a?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
STAGE i THINK i was so insecure and so hard
on myself THAT i didn't picture myself on stage like
singing and dancing and having fun and people singing my
songs with. Me BUT i would always perform growing, up
LIKE i would perform my songs on my ukulele OR'd
had behind a guitar or, piano and then with all
about that. Bass that was the first TIME i had
to sing and dance and do, everything and it was
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like such a this feeling to, me like such a
weird new. Experience BUT i like loved, dancing BUT i
never took a dance list in my, life SO i.
LEARNED i learned WHAT i could, do and just kept
proving myself for wrong and was, like oh my, God
i'm kind of. Badass AND i was, like let's keep.
Going AND i recently shot a music video for a
new song Called shimmer that's very heavy, dance AND i
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trained for like weeks BECAUSE i. KNEW i was, LIKE
i am not a trained dancer from. Birth i'm gonna
have AND i want this to be a really hit
dance heavy, video and SO i trained for weeks to
like nail.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It how did you feel watching yourself back on camera
once you finished the video or you were like watching
takes of? It did you like watching yourself?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Dance we're all about that bass by That?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, no, no, no the new one that you've the new.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
One i'm. Hyped i'm so. EXCITED i can't at wait
for everyone to see. It it's coming out with the
Album april twenty, Fourth toy With. Me but this song
is Called shimmer and she's she's a bibbity, bop she's.
Upbeat she's kind of like me. Too my Song IF
i was, YOU i want a baby and it's like
her cool older, sister And i'm so. Proud it's my
favorite music Video i've ever done in my entire.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Career do you will you watch performances back to game
tape yourself to see how you?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Did? Yeah, sometimes OR i. DON'T i was just talking
to an actress about, this because a lot of actresses
LIKE i don't watch MY tv Show i'm in AND
i was, LIKE i can listen to my songs all day,
long that's, fine and when my kids play, it AND
i could watch my music videos BECAUSE i edit them
and they're WHAT i picked and they're perfect in that.
Way but like a RANDOM tv, Performance i'm, Like i'm
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not popping that on for, fun you. Know i'm not, like,
oh let's get into, it because you don't have any
control really over, those and like the edit and so
those scare me a, Lot LIKE i have to go
perform the Song shimmer on A tv show coming, up
And i'm terror.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Hyde where did you grow up.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
The Nantucket, Island massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And you moved To nashville from? Home?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah all my friends were in college at that point
AND i was at, home traveling TO la And nashville
to do songwriting, weeks like one week at a, time
AND i was just, like, Man i'm the farthest thing
away From, California Like i'm On. NANTUCKET i had to
take a boat and then a. Plane and then at another,
point LIKE i was, like can we just move a little?
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Closer and my parents were, like absolutely. Not you're not
living In california at eighteen years. Old but they agreed
To nashville because my publishers were. There they were like
family to, us so they took care of me AND
i got my own apartment and was like a big.
Girl and then WHILE i was there under a, YEAR
i remember it was like exactly a year to my moving.
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Date we were moving out of there to go To
california because all about that base was like already becoming a.
Hit AND i was like nineteen when they released, it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Did you write that song here At?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
NASHVILLE i wrote it In, Nashville Kevin cadish forty, five
and it's away from my Little bellevue, apartment AND i
remember like being, like why is this studio so far?
Away AND i was such a fan Of Kevin catish
because he Wrote Stacey rico big hits And Jason murra's
big hits AND i was, like this is, sick Like
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i'm with a big songwriter and he was awesome and
we just met and we bonded over like being chubby
as kids and being, insecure AND i was, LIKE i
wish they played like doop stuff on radio AND i
wish they played this. Music and he was, like, OH
i love that. Music and then we wrote all about
that base in like under an, hour and THEN i
remember leaving being like do you like? It and he's
(05:38):
LIKE i like. It you like? It AND i was, like,
YEAH i think, so but we kind OF i thought, like,
well no one's going to cut this because no one
looks or sounds like this and it's very, specific SO
i thought LIKE i failed as a songwriter. LYRICALLY i
was like it was all like a leachy pop on
the radio at the, time so that's WHY i went,
sorry and he was, like, NO i love. It it's.
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GREAT i was like. Okay and then like nine months
later of pitching the, song everyone being, like we love,
it but we don't have an ARTIST i could sing.
This La Reata Epic records was, like well who wrote?
It just go find? Her and then they started hunting
me down and they found.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Me you pitched out for nine months before you cut it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yourself, yeah it was a long time of having that
song on.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
There any holds from anybody or any like possible, Holds,
UH i.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Don't think, so BUT i remember My carla was always
like a believer and would shoot for the. Stars and
someone was, like we're gonna send this TO A dell's
team AND i was, LIKE i doubt Adele w was sing,
this but it's sure. AWESOME i can't. Wait, yeah but
there's no way she ever heard.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It when you were living In, nashville were you doing
any sort of songwriter rounds and did you ever Consider
i'll Just i'll just write for country music that Every nashville.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Is felt like you had to do songwriting rounds like
just to get your name and songwriting skills out. There
so LUCKILY i could perform with my ukulele or guitar
AND i would do. It BUT i remember hating it
BECAUSE i was the youngest and everyone was so, talented
AND i would always be like the last to, go
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AND i was, like, well and mine would kind of
be like half a comedy set of, me just like being, like, Oh, okay,
guys WELL i hate following. Them this sucks And i'm
nineteen years old and here you. GO i just moved,
here AND i would be like it and the crowd
was always so nice and they were always like they're
really kind to me all the other song WHERE i
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was being like it, sucks how good you are at,
Nineteen like you're, annoying AND i was like, thanks. Guys
BUT i was so, scared so, terrified because it's like
at restaurants where people are eating and talking and you're,
like here's my life?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Passion is that a thing when you moved To? Nashville
was it for? You whenever you look around and everybody's
so good, Here like you can go anywhere and everybody
is so. Good there are people that haven't made it
and that are older now that are still so, good
and you wonder how do they not make? It is
that intimidating when you move here as a.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Kid, YEAH i was so lucky THAT i was With
Carla wallace and B Yellow dog because they Had Josh
kerr and he was so nice to me that he
was willing to talk to. ME i was like the
new baby on the, team and it's like those, houses you,
know like the publishing companies are like a big, house
and so you're just looking in the bedrooms and you're,
like hey, guys and they're all writing. Songs but any
CHANCE i would get to talk to, HIM i was, like, Hey,
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josh oh my, god so with, it like when another
artist sings your, song like do they ruin? It and
he's like sometimes AND i was like, no he's like
AND i was, like, okay do they change lyrics on?
You and he's like Sometimes AND i was, like oh my.
God and then he always told me like it only
takes one and you never know which one it's going to.
Be AND i was, like really that. Sucks that's. Crazy
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and then LIKE i never even thought all about the
bass was going to be. HEARD i thought that was
like my weakest SONG i had compared to all my
other pop. SONGS i was, like even my family was,
like they like the bass. ONE i was, like mm,
hmmm how did that?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Grow because it WAS i, mean it was viral before
things actually went. Viral AM i remembering that?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Correct, yeah it was. Weird it was a, weird just
like lightning strike moment THAT i Think facebook helped a
lot because people were sharing the video going you got
to see, this AND i think it was like bold
and so different than what was on the radio at the.
Time it was a lot of LIKE edm pop, songs
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WHICH i, loved SO i was, like this will never.
Work but the music video was so. DIFFERENT i remember
they were, like we want big pastel colors because that's
what's in right, now AND i was, LIKE i were,
Black LIKE i don't understand any of, this and the
video just got tossed. Around and THEN i Remember Justin
bieber did like a random remix of it on, YouTube
AND i called my brother AND i was, like all,
(09:48):
right you have to drop out of college, now like
this is. It i'm, Successful it's gonna. Happen we're gonna
have to live IN la. Together he was, like all,
right meet to.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
There what's the difference in the music culture going From,
nashville where it's everywhere To Los.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
ANGELES i used to ask everyone, like do you love
living In? Nashville do you love living IN? La AND
i remember everyone IN la loved. It everyone In nashville is,
like you, know it's a small town people everywhere everone
knows everyone in the weather's tough because it's very. Bipolar
they switches up all the. Time but everyone IN la
like it was LIKE i Love, la AND i was like,
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really AND i Love california because the weather and it's,
great BUT i don't go out much AND i the songwriting.
Scene my only complaint is that they want to start
so late AND i want to start at ten. Am
And nashville was better at that where they would they
would go home to their. Families you, know we'd be,
like let's wrap up at dinner, time let's go. Home.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah a lot of nine am to three, pm four
pms In.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Nashville that's what a should. Be but a lot of
people IN la don't want to wake up because they
don't have kids like. Me And i'm, Like i've been
up for five. Hours so if you could just hit
me the hop oh, here we could get into. It,
yeah are.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
THERE i guess if you're a new artist and you're
living In Los, angeles it's going to be so different
than a new artist living In, nashville where there are
all these places here where if you're, new you can
go get yourself on a, list you can go watch The,
bluebird you can you can learn and find your people IN.
La it feels like that would be a little.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
DIFFERENT i did The. Bluebird that was, terrifying so, scared and,
yeah IN. La there's not a lot of places WHERE
i was sent to to go, perform BUT i was
lucky enough where my song went, first SO i had
to catch up to my. Song AND i like a
lot of people knew all about the, base but they
didn't Know megan and. Trainer they didn't know me at.
All even WHEN i would literally sing it on, stage
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they would would come off and they, go you sing
that song AND i was like. Mm THEN i was
the bass girl for like six years and then just
oh that's the bass. Girl AND i was like. Okay
and now ten years, Later i'm are You MEGAN. T
painter And i'm, like, oh, yeah you KNOW.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I you played The. Bluebird tell me about.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That so. Scary Carlo wallace got me. In that was
MY i was, Like i'll do. THAT i won't do the,
voice But i'll Do bluebird BECAUSE i Know Taylor swift
was there and it helped. Her AND i did, it
AND i was so. SCARED i think there's nothing worse
as a performer for me than a, small, tight tiny
room and what a, tight tiny room that is where
you can like see people breathing and drinking and you're
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in their face and you're, like here's my. Soul BUT
i got through my. Performance it's just me and a,
guitar nobody, else and you're just so. Scared but my
mom SAID i nailed, it AND i didn't like get
anything out of, It like nobody was LIKE i want
to sign her after. That BUT i got like the
street cred OR i got the cool points of Like
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i've performed at The bluebird. TOO i know what everyone's talking.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
About did you do the stage or the round and
inside the? Circle?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
THIS i don't. KNOW i was in a, tight tiny
little room and it was like one songwriter out a,
time SO i didn't have to wait for other people
to sing in a, row but they would come up
and sit and THEN i went up AND i sat
on the.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Stage, yeah, yeah, yeah that. IS i think people are
surprised sometimes when they come to The bluebird because it is,
famous but it's.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Tiny you need, Tiny, yeah it's like it's like singing
for your, classmates which is also my number one. Fear
and for An english, project they were, like let's write a,
poem AND i Said i'm gonna do one. Better i'm
alway to a, song immediately regretted. IT i got in
there with my guitar and was, like Oh, god started
panicking because it's all my high school mean. Friends and
then my throat and my chest got really. Red and
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one boy AFTER i, SANG i was like did? It
he was, like why is your next so? Read AND
i was like ohing on AND i got a. Plus
BUT i was, like oh forever hate singing for high.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Schoolers how long ago did you start on this, record.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
This new one? Manuelbum?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah oh.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Like, god right after, tour so like almost two years.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Ago now what's what's the starting point with this last?
One did you find a song or like what Was?
OKAY i think we're starting on the new.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Record i'm always like onto the. NEXT i Think, capricorn
just like keep it, going the hustler and just like
can't stop working the. PROBLEM i needed to take a.
Break and my teen's very. Supportive they're, like, yeah we'd
love another. ALBUM i signed a new deal With, epic
SO i have three more albums with, them so that
like inspired. Me and then we just kept saying after,
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tour like let's get the band back, together LIKE i
missed me performing with a. Band so THEN i try
to write all these songs with like real. Instruments AND
i was also doing A christmas orchestral album that'll come out,
later and SO i was inspired by. That but doing
two albums at one time was a mind mess. Up
that was really. Hard but SO i started writing these,
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songs and THEN i REALIZED i was doing a lot
of private gigs at the same time, too and WHEN
i would perform on my, hits they're all over the.
Place they're like Dear, fud your, husband douop to Like
i'm gonna lose you on the, piano To, know and Me,
too which are like pure, pop like in sync, pop you.
Know and SO i was, like these two girls are.
Alone so while writing the, ALBUM i was, like we
got to write them some friends so that WHEN i
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do these sets there's more of like this makes. SENSE
i think all my my songs are all over the
place sonically in different, genres which is, fun but it's
hard to like pick an outfit for, that and it's
hard to make a stat list where they make. Sense
SO i also took all my hit songs and try
to write them a. Sister on this entire album.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
With all about that, bass do you ever sing it
differently to match the other? Music, no all about that.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
BASS i always keep Og i've added like a Beautiful
disney intro sometimes to hype it up and be, like
do you remember ten years AGO i released my first?
Song and then the crowd starts to hype, up and
Then i'm, like you weren't even, born and neither were
you BECAUSE i could tell their.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
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Speaker 2 (15:50):
Cast what do you think about when you go to
a concert and your favorite artist changes the melody of
your favorite.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
SONG i get. It you can change it a. Little
you can change. IT i understand if you change it
because it's hard to, sing like How adele sometimes will do,
it And Harry styles does that all the time. Too
of like as impossible to singing every, night let me
change the melody so it's easier and more. Realistic i've
done that, Bunch but don't change it to be. INTERESTING
(16:15):
i don't. KNOW i want. TO i LIKE i studied
this in the. CAR i don't want to pull up
and here's something. New it's, hard it's very back and,
forth and it's all everyone's, opinion so you can't please.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
EVERYONE i have some friends that have been playing their
hits for like twenty or thirty, years and they just
wipe them out of their set list or they just
get bored and that's why they do it, Differently and,
LIKE i get. It but it's Like, Garth, well he
won't even play new. Songs he just. Played he's, like,
LOOK i play for the. Fans so if he has
a new, project he might play one new song and
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then he plays all hits for three hours and he
plays them exactly the way that everybody. Knows and he's you,
know and he would tell, me he would, SAY i
would rather sometimes play them, Differently but it's not about.
Me it's about everybody came to a. Show because, ME
i would get bored and want to change it up
a little. Bit but hearing him say, that LIKE i
thought that was super.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, also we're living in Groundhog, day you. Know it's
like it's gonna be the same lyrics no matter what
Till i'm seventy You i'm going to be singing old you,
know And i've come to terms with that And i'm
okay with. It and what gets me. GOING i think
What garth is explaining is when the crowd is so
hyped and so happy that you're still in. SHOCK i
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cannot believe you still know these, words or like the
new generations come up with you and like they're six
years old and you're, like this one came out before
you were, alive and they know all the. Words it
just gives you a whole new energy and a whole
new high where you're, LIKE i have to do this
for the rest of my.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Life if you're, writing are you going melody first or lyrics?
First just generally, speaking.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
It depends on the. Day BUT i always struggled with lyrics,
Obviously like in the beginning when they were, like your
lyrics don't make, SENSE i was, LIKE i don't read enough.
BOOKS i hear. You BUT i was always a melody
Que like In, NASHVILLE i was the melody, girl and
SO i know that my weakest link is. Lyrics so
before my songwriting, Sessions i've been going On pinterest. LATELY
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i used to do this with magazines Because Esther dean
taught me this amazing. SONGWRITER i go On pinterest AND
i type in, cute like cute howkgirl captions For instagram
and they come up with the cutest, things or LIKE
i saw shares quote where she's, like, mom hey, MAMA
i am a Rich man AND i was, like we
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need a song Called, richmond AND i wrote a whole
anthem about it that's, LIKE i don't have any man
making me. MONEY i do it. Myself AND i love
getting concepts like, that And i'll make a whole list
the night before And i'll go in with my songwriters and,
GO i love this. Concept what do you? Think and
USUALLY i had to teach the songwriters not to do
this for, me but usually they'll come in and go
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they'll just, yes man the, artist and they're, like, yeah
if you want that on your, album you're probably gonna cut.
It that's exactly what we should do. Today AND i
started asking they're my. Friends at this, POINT i was,
like can you not just say yes to all my?
Ideas can you push? Me can you say, no we
shouldn't talk about this because this is. Interesting and no
one said this in a, While and then they started doing.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
That someone with all the success that you've. Had do
you ever just pull up rhyme zone AND i, Write, hey, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
What do you? MEAN i, think uh. Yeah every now and,
then SOMETIMES i really don't need, It but some especially
if i'm writing for like a Movie i've been writing it,
recently where it's LIKE i have to write specifically about
A christmas movie or something that's like about, Elves i'm, like,
okay well rhymes with, hoofs you, know And i'll just get.
(19:44):
Lost but if it's like a pop song THAT i
know the concept THAT i know what we're talking, ABOUT
i can like fly through. It but, yeah if it's
if it's a tricky, One i'm like the rhymes ON
i don't understand where we?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Are what is your hardest song to? Sing and you
look back and, go, MAN i wrote that really, hard me.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Too going hey ye hate it every. Time in the
middle of the, SONG i screamed that, part AND i
After i'm dancing and singing, It i'm, like, well who Did? Hey,
yeah why AM i singing? This like my ad libs
are the death of? Me and in the Studio i'm
SITTING i could scream it out AND i, go, damn
that sounds, Good and then, LIVE i, GO i hate,
MYSELF i hate And i've done. THIS i was, Like
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i'm gonna do a level of buy next. Album this is.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Creaensy if you're, sick will you change the key of
a song night of if you can't quite get?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
There If i'm, SICK i, don't BUT i will. Go
you're singing, tonight you KNOW i give it out? MORE
i go and what AND i you could Tell i'm
sick IF i got crop our dissipation throughout the whole.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Song do you ever have to go in and hop
into like a or have them bring you an ivy
or do a shot like right before?
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Show?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
YEAH i had two ivs a last, tour AND i
was on steroids like the BECAUSE i was so. SICK
i was on anbiotics and steroids for like two weeks
straight in the middle of, it just to get. By
BUT i remember my voice was shot AND i took
the steroid for my like sign it like WHATEVER i.
HAD i was so ill because the kids were, ill
AND i remember the stairs kicked in AND i, went
let's do, this and my voice sounded, impeccable and they were,
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like who's, sick not? You AND i was like, no
it ah.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Until the next day IF, i, oh my.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Gosh, SHOW i was, like oh, oh like in the
middle of, it, YEAH i, Oh i've squeaked like a
clarinet and been like AND i just got whoops and
just keep.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Going whenever you put out a, record because, again it's
not a song because people listen to a song in three.
Minutes but you're going to have this entire, record how
how quickly do you look to see if people like? It,
like what's a good? AMOUNT i put out a book
and that's the worst because you got away like weeks
you put you have to you gotta put out wait
weeks to even see if it's any.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Good what about a, record, man there's there's songs are like.
IT i have no idea if anyone is HEARING i
put out two singles so, far AND i have no
idea if anyone's heard. It and it is the worst
part of all of this is, like there's NO i
TOLD i keep telling my managers because they're, like why
are you going? Crazy And i'm, like cause there's no
like you hand in your report card and you get a.
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Grade there's no like you're doing, great.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Sweetie there's none of that it's all, LIKE i hope
people are hearing it when there's so much chaos going
on the, world and my managers are straight up telling, me, like,
listen there's a lot of traffic out.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
There there's a lot going. On the world's. Different we
don't know how to promote music. Anymore we don't know
how to get you, heard and all we can do
is Try and So i'm, like, way So i'm just
doing tiktoks hoping people use this. Sound like that's WHERE i.
Go i'm, like, okay ten thousand people have heard it
because they use this, sound but that's not a lot of.
People and then what also helps, me that keeps me
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going Is i'll meet random, people like outside at the
mall or at a store and they, go oh my,
god and my daughter will not stop Playing Getting.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
Girl AND i go the news hunt really and they're like,
yeah AND i, GO i don't know if Funny one's.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Heard so that's really all the only INFORMATION i can
on If i'm doing okay or not is strangers being,
like my daughter won't leave me alone with this?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
One AM i? Crazy didn't you write a number one country?
SONG i? Did Is Rascal flats what was?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Was, sheha, Yeah dann And Cha shay AND i, said,
boy you Sound we were both in the, session both
debating who should sing, it AND i was, like, bro
let's go To Rascal platz cut you sing. It you
sound just like, them and he was, Like, Okay i'll sing.
It AND i was, like it's nice to have a
break BECAUSE i was always singing in the. Sessions and
THEN i was, like you should be an artist and
he's LIKE i am AND i was, like, Oh he's
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like you should be an artists AND i was, like,
YEAH i want to, be BUT i don't. Know and
every session they would say that to me Because i'd
be the session singer and they're, like why aren't you
putting this? Out AND i was, LIKE i don't have
like a label or any of that.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Stuff what was the song was?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
IT i like to?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Sound what was the song sound on?
Speaker 4 (23:47):
That?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah like that kind of relaunched those guys because, they you,
know we got, older had some rough years And i'm
friends with, them SO i can say this that. Song
that song kind of relaunched their. CAREER U were you
writing a bunch for other artists in the country space at?
All or was that just a rite that.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Day that was like a write that. Day AND i
think having all about that bass be released and having
like the hype of all about that bass definitely, HELPED
i think get me the cut and because it was
like such a, cute great song that And shay killed
the vocal wrote it With Jesse shack in. TOO i loved.
Him he's always supported me SINCE i was like. Fifteen
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BUT i think the all about that bass being released helped.
That i'm guessing BECAUSE i remember being like going to the.
PUBLISHER i believe your name Was alison who hooked this
up and she played me their voice on my song
With Carlo wallace While All about that bass was, out
AND i just, like how are all my dreams coming
true right? Now at? ONCE i couldn't believe, It LIKE
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i was crying, Listening so that one was just. Crazy.
Yeah And Laura elena that same Crew jesse shack and
we wrote one for her with her and she's.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Amazing, yeah which one was?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
THAT i don't know that take the roleless you?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Wrote, wait you wrote Road less? Traveled H, well hell,
yeah my mind is a little bit blown BECAUSE i
knew that you had written With. SHAY i MEAN i
was just With lauren yesterday Because lauren just had a,
baby so her and my wife or how they and
so we're like very baby centric over, here and So.
LAUREN i was just talking With. LAUREN i didn't know
you wrote that, Too so what it could HAVE i
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don't know how how he, Left like with that, success
did you think Maybe i'd stay In. Nashville i'm crushing.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
IT i KNOW i had. TO i have no. CHOICE
i had to, go like To germany and promote all
about that. Base LIKE i was. GONE i was waking
up in a different. Country we were, LIKE i don't
know the, maps you, KNOW i don't know WHERE i.
Am and they were like speak these different languages and
say my bass. Song AND i was, like, okay SO
i would. GO i was at a rocket ship AND
i just had to, go AND i was.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Terrified last, question what's the most fun stage of a?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
BABY i, mean you haven't got smiles, yet, Right, nah.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Just if there's farts and that's doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Count i'm at two months and she just started smiling
and it starts at the. Side it's like and it's
the it's like it takes over your whole. Body that'll
be your first joy in life with your. Baby when
they look at, you they recognize you and go ah
and give you the best smile. Ever so that's. Fantastic
but when they're like sitting up, too oh my, god
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you could play, together because for a while they're just helpless,
bobbleheads you, know and you're, like oh my my, God.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Megan thank you rooting for. You hope everything's awesome and
Hopefully i'll see you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Soon thank you so. Much to the.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
Best The Bobby cast will be right. Back this is
The Bobby, cast all.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Right that was great For Meghan. TRAINER i also wanted
to take a couple of minutes because THE ACMs are coming,
up and so to play a clip from each of
the winner so. Far this IS Acm New Mail artist
of The Year Tucker wetmore and it was really cool
to See tucker win this. Award in this, clip you'll
Hear tucker AND i talking about his family, background where
his love for music came, from and if his mom
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supported his music, career which by the, way she's the
one that also surprised him with THE acm. AWARD i
believe it was In, london so that was way after
we did. This but here you go a little bit
With Tucker. Wetmore what are the Wet MoES known?
Speaker 8 (27:27):
For oh, gosh that's a great.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Question take your. TIME i struggle With. Thanksgiving, YEAH i
asked you a really hard that's a great.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
QUESTION i mean it's gonna sound clichepe of just being.
KIND i guess my family's. Great my mom's an, angel
my grandma's known by everybody in the.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
COUNTY i don't. Know just living life day.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
By day like everybody, else is what we're known.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
For what's your? Mon she's one of those.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
PEOPLE i feel like The Good lord has filled her
cup with so much love that she doesn't have any
choice but to like spill it onto. Others that's the
kind of person she, is you, KNOW i always thinking
about other, people very, selfless my number one, fan always
always in my.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Corner was she super supportive of you when you wanted
to start doing.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Music, yeah she was the one that was, like, absolutely
go do.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It did you go to her with the, Hey i'm
thinking about doing, this or what do you think about
me doing? This i'm gonna do this in front of?
You like how did that?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Go?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah so it was it was AFTER i dropped out of.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
COLLEGE i was playing football In montana and ended up getting,
injured like we just talked. About and THEN i moved
back home and then started playing music again BECAUSE i
started playing music WHEN.
Speaker 9 (28:49):
I was like ten or eleven years.
Speaker 8 (28:50):
OLD i started on, piano, guitar, trumpet AND i started
writing a bunch after after. College and THEN i remember
shutting her down on a couch like we're sitting right,
now AND i was, Like, MOM i THINK i want
to do this music, thing and she, Goes i've been
waiting for you to have this conversation with me because you,
know even back in the, day she would always push me, like,
hey you kind of got, something so you should pursue.
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That i'm, like but, football you, KNOW i want to play,
ball and. Uh then it was kind of like a
sur relief FOR i feel, like because she wanted she
wanted me to do, that and you, know she saw
something in me THAT i didn't really see at the, time.
Speaker 9 (29:26):
And she was very.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Supportive help, me help me drive down From. Washington it
took us like three or four, days AND i HAD
covid actually during that whole, trip so she did most
of the. DRIVING i THINK i did probably four hours
of driving. Total but she she helped me move and
then you, know paid some bills WHEN i first moved
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to town BECAUSE i had no, money just a handful
of songs and a.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Dream did she do? Music uh, huh she wasn't musical at. All.
Nope then how we even playing? Instruments?
Speaker 8 (29:59):
LIKE i have no, IDEA i Guess, Okay SO i
grew up in the. Church my grandpa is a, pastor and,
uh you, know being around the church my entire, life
literally every single day being the. Church and, uh my
grandma would would sing the. Hymns AND i grew up
in A samoan, family so they're VERY i don't know
if you ever hung out with like a group Of.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
SAMOANS i never.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Have it's it's a it's a bucket lists.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
ITEM i used to hang out one at a time
With smoan's never. Done i've never done a.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Group, yeah it's it's a it's a fun.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Time are You? Simoan a Part?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Simoan?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Like are in your? Heart? Though like when you look
in the, mirror do you see A samoan? Guy I'm
i'm definitely.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
A mutt in a lot of.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
WAYS i DON'T i don't. KNOW i MEAN i grew
up Around simoan culture my whole, life especially like in the,
summertime always you, know doing cookouts and listening to reggae
and you, know all my aunties and uncles and you,
know it's a huge family type. Thing and but, yeah
to answer your, QUESTION i, Mean smans are very musical
people and very loving people and giving, people and, uh you,
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KNOW i just grew up around, that and it was
it was kind of one of those those things, where
Like i've said this, before but we'll be sitting in
the in the living room After sunday church we just
had early dinner and watching, football and somebody would start
Singing Amazing grace and then the next, thing you, know
the whole family is just Harmonizing Amazing grace in the living,
room coming kind of. Thing SO i definitely grew up around,
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that AND i think that's that might be where it
kind of stems. From BUT i definitely found my own
love for.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Music next up is the twenty twenty SIX Acm New
Female artist of The Year, Avery and Now i'm a
massive fan Of avery and her music AND i THINK
i first saw her though On TikTok months ago doing
An Ozzy osbourne cover and we talked about it in
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the long form of this which you can watch On
netflix or go back and listen to the whole. Podcast
but just a big, fan you know her origin. Story
it's crazy because she started her career and moved To
nashville at such a young age, likeeen like, SEVENTEEN i
think sixteen seventeen and blew up. Overnight so Here's avery
AND i talking about her move To nashville and the
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pros and definitely the cons of going. Viral you just
knew you wanted to move To. Nashville, NO i.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
DIDN'T i didn't even know this was a possibility for.
ME i didn't THINK i was that. GOOD i always loved,
music and it was music was more of like a like,
breathing LIKE i, said for, me it was a very
private thing UNLESS i was singing in. Church and WHEN
i went viral for singing in the bathtub DURING, covid
and THEN i got in contact with my managers AND
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i signed a record deal AND i moved like AFTER
i signed a record in that, order in that, order
and within this span of six, MONTHS i got in
contact with my Manager's october twenty, twenty and then we
started releasing some music and THEN i had like every
now in. HINDSIZIGHT i had like every label in town
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wanting to meet with, me AND i met with LIKE
i think we did like thirteen zoom, meetings and THEN
i signed With.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Warner how do you pick a label when you're only
meeting with them Over?
Speaker 4 (33:09):
ZOOM i don't.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
KNOW i don't.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
KNOW i Just i'm a very spiritual, person very like,
intuitive LIKE i trust my gut most of the. Time
AND i just felt really good About, warner and they
just felt very endearing and like they actually cared about
WHAT i had to, say not just kind of like
wanting to sign a viral sensation and let it be
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what it. Is it felt like. Genuine SO i, signed
and THEN i moved AND i didn't even, know LIKE
i knew about The Grand O, opry BUT i didn't
really know That nashville was like the place you go to,
become you, know a country music. STAR i GUESS i
should have known, that BUT i just didn't really like
put the pieces together in my. HEAD i didn't even
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know WHAT i wanted to do with my. Life and
THEN i was just like this feels, right AND i.
MOVED i lived in the house by myself for like,
WELL i was finishing. School was.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Seventeen at, seventeen were you?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Emancipated, No, no my parents are very supportive of. ME
i just have three other. Siblings they had lives to
do and work to, do AND i am self. SUFFICIENT
i was just LIKE i Just i'm very. Indecisive LIKE i,
SAID i brought two, records but that was the only
decision in my life That i've ever been, like this
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is the right thing to, do AND i know. It
AND i remember telling my mom, that and everyone in my,
family like my extended family and our friends and everyone
in my town thought THAT i was, crazy and then
my parents are crazy for letting me do. That BUT
i think both of my parents and myself just felt
a lot of peace that it was like the right.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
THING i don't know what Is nashville. Like when you
move here and start to see other people who are
doing what you're trying to, do it's really.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Cool you would think that it's, intimidating and it is at,
times BUT I i just feel like the little girl
inside of me that wanted to talk to everyone About
Patsy klein that no one really cared because everyone called Me.
Grandma growing, UP i just loved the classic. Country but
everyone here has their, own you, know music, taste and
everyone's really passionate about, it and there's so much. Talent
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it was just really like, CREATIVELY i was like, very very,
stimulated AND i was just starry eyed at. It i'd
never even been to the side of the, country SO
i didn't know that there's this many trees.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Here AND.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I REMEMBER i was like driving down the road AND
i was, like one of these, Days i'm going to
plow down one of these mailboxes and trash cans because
the roads are so narrow. Too it's a lot of
things That it was a very big culture shock for
me going From arizona to Like.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Tennessee what do you do at eighteen nineteen years old,
here when you're living by? Yourself when you make? Friends?
Right do you go to? Songwriter around's, like how do
you make your?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
CIRCLE i met a lot of my friends at, church
but it was really hard for me BECAUSE i wasn't
going to school or, anything so it wasn't LIKE i
had like people my age to socialize. WITH i was
really just writing all the time with people that, were you,
know late, twenties, thirties, forties so all my friends were
way older than me BECAUSE i consider like the people
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THAT i write with my friends and like my brothers,
Too SO i remember my first co write was With
Ben williams And Andy sheridan and they're still like my
big brothers to this. Day so that was really. Cool and,
YEAH i met people at church AND i like went
to the grocery store and didn't know what to buy
AND i was, LIKE i bought an avocado and some
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apples and. BEEF i still don't really know how to
cook Because i'm touring now AND i don't really need you.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
To but, yeah what's it like to go? Viral looks?
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Fabulous i'm sure you totally, Understand but looks fabulous when
you're on the other side of the screen and when
you're looking at all the millions of views and, Likes
and it's really cool because it gave me my, career really,
did So i'm really grateful for what it. Is but
the adrenaline dump after going viral is a big thing.
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Too that was challenging THAT i wasn't.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Anticipating what do you mean by?
Speaker 4 (37:15):
That it's interesting to go from music being something that
you do for fun to all of the sudden it's your.
Livelihood and when you go, viral it's instant. Gratification it's very.
Stimulating you are kind of on like a cloud. Nine
and then if your next video only gets a thousand
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views rather than two million, views it's, like, oh if
this gave me my, success could it also ta get?
Away and that that thought was something THAT i struggled
with a lot in the, beginning AND i was very
conscious of WHAT i was posting and and trying, to you,
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know still be as good AS i was WHEN i was,
megaviral AND i don't, know you kind of just learn
the longer that you do it that it's just it
all comes in, waves and what's genuine and authentic will
always work for. You and if you're trying to be something,
else if you're trying to be, viral if you're trying
to be you, know, commercial if you're, not if you're
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trying to be, artsy if you're, not it's just not
going to. Work you just have to really go with
your gut and say what you want to, say and
not just say something to say.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
Something you, know WHAT i.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Mean, yeah not just add to your feed because you
feel like you need to add to your.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Feed, right not JUST i think that that's a very
it works for a lot of, people and a lot
of people have found success that way from being consistently
posting every single, day like three videos a, day and
AND i had a lot of pressure to do that
very early, on and it just it's just not right
and it's not natural for people to, like, surely no
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one has something to say three times a.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Day, NO i, don't AND i have to talk for
six hours a.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Day, Sure AND i feel very it sucked the creativity
out of me UNTIL i realized how to set boundaries with.
Speaker 7 (39:10):
It The Bobby cast will be right, back and we're
back on The Bobby.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Cast, now let's get over To Steven Wilson, junior who
already won his FIRST acm this, year taking home The
Visual media of The year award for his music video
for his Song. Cuckoo stephen has a very interesting origin
story because he was a scientist who dropped his career
to chase his dream of being a. Musician i'm a
big fan of this, guy AND i asked him if
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he had any idea what he wanted to do for
a career when he was finishing.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
COLLEGE i didn't know.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Exactly WHEN i graduated with my degree in micro and,
CHEMISTRY i was, gonna honestly go get my medical doctorate
or at.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
PhD that was my, first.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
My next up because in you, know the applied, sciences
without a, PhD it's gonna be.
Speaker 9 (40:05):
Tough that was my.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Plan AND i ended up starting this indie rock band
the last semester of my senior year of. College and
what was the name of the, Band, Autovka AND i
was a lead guitar, player played this green stratocaster THAT
i still have today and it's A jeff beckstrat and
we just started playing BECAUSE i was playing. MUSIC i
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was playing in jazz bands and university AND i was
a self taught guitar, player BUT i was a serious
jazz nerd and rock and roll, nerd and people would
hear me playing in dorms and. Stuff and WHEN i
moved To, NASHVILLE i met some friends THAT i knew
from the previous college THAT i went, to and they
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asked If i'd want to just play in this, band
AND i was, like, SURE i had nothing better to
do outside of my, degree AND i was almost. Finished and,
anyway we started playing shows and before we knew, it
we had like a manager and we made a, record
and before we know we were on tour with these.
Bands SO i went and played in indie rock bands
right AFTER i graduated from, college not really planning to do.
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That they just this opportunity just kind of came up
AND i couldn't really say no to. It it was
such a cool experience to. Have BUT i, learned you,
know how to handle a, crowd AND i learned how
to sing BECAUSE i became a background vocalist in that,
band AND i was writing or co writing the songs
with the lead. Singer and that's WHY i, really for
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the first time saw a song That i'd written or
co written And i'd see people like react to it
or start singing, it AND i was, LIKE, whoa that's
a that's a new.
Speaker 9 (41:45):
Experience and SO.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
I really became enamored with, that you, know BECAUSE i
was super into poetry and. SONGWRITING i was kind of
like a secret, songwriter you, know outside of my science.
Stuff it was my own little. Secret BUT i wasn't
singing them or. ANYTHING i was just writing these poems
And STANZAS i had books of, them and my mama did.
THAT i used to find her like writing poems on
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junk mail and throwing them. Away AND i just picked
that up AND i channeled that into that band and
then kind of saw those poems come to life in that,
band AND i was, like this is a really special.
Thing you like music and being a creator of. It
i'm not sure if this is is this my career?
Speaker 9 (42:29):
PATH i don't. Know you have a job at this.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
POINT i was in nine to.
Speaker 9 (42:33):
FIVE i was working as a contracted.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Scientist so you were doing that while you were. Touring
how did? YOU i feel like you're a, scientist you're
kind of.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Stationary, YEAH i was working contract to, contract So i'd
work at one lab AND i work at another lab
for a, week AND i kind of work around our touring.
Schedule and there is this company in town that is
a staffing agency for scientists like, chemists, microbiologists and. Engineers
think of it like a staffing agency for, anything.
Speaker 9 (43:04):
But specialized for the applied.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Sciences so you, know some businesses and some laboratories would
need a, scientist but not. Permanently they just need it
for like six months on this project or six weeks
or maybe six. Days and there was the contracts could
be as interesting as you could think, of as long
as you could, imagine and you can take them or leave.
Speaker 9 (43:26):
Them and they were hourly and they.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Would get their cut and you get your, cut and
you could just kind of walk, away go on. Tour
maybe another contract would come. In AND i kept doing
good work and kept doing, contracts AND i eventually got
one for this, Company, mars the food, company and they
kept giving me contract after, contract and one day they just, said,
hey we want to stop giving you these contracts and
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just give you an employment contract and like hire you for,
real and they kind of that was like the first
Time i'd ever been offered a job like, that AND i.
COULDN'T i just married my wife and, kid AND i
had a, kid you, know a step son through, her
and you, KNOW i was in that indie band, still
and SO i made a decision to kind of leave
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the van and tray their life and go into full time.
Speaker 9 (44:15):
Science and that was my.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
Life AND i was kind of doing the whole corporate
thing and how long for three and a half four,
years AND i had a really great boss BECAUSE i
was writing songs the whole. TIME i could almost like
work in a lab and do my work with one
hand and write songs with the. Other AND i had
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a great boss that had been there for quite some,
time and you, know he kind of saw myself and,
him you, know some years, ago AND i think he
knew where my heart. Was he KNEW i wasn't supposed
to be. There in the weirdest, WAY i think he knew.
That and he told, Me, hey they're about to put
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the golden hand on. You that's What he was a
really powerful. Metaphor And i'm a word, nerd and he
knew THAT i like, words and that he knew that
was going to do something to. Me and, uh he,
said take you, know do with that what you. Will
but you know you're doing great, here but they're going
to chain you to that desk and your dreams of
being a songwriter are are going to die with.
Speaker 9 (45:21):
It AND i said that to.
Speaker 5 (45:22):
You, Yeah and SO i, said you, know it's going
to be impossible to blow your world. Up then you're
going to have a better, car a better, house maybe
your kid in private. School blowing up that world's going
to be very, hard if not. IMPOSSIBLE I i'd recommend
you blow it up now while there's less pieces to pick,
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up and it's going to be, terrible BUT i think
it's going to be way more, terrible if not. Impossible
AND i fear that you, know your inability to do
that later would just be a heartbreaking situation for. You
AND i just want you to know that's kind of
coming down the. PIKE i see it like ten years
down the road for, you just, saying you, know, cheers
(46:06):
have a good.
Speaker 9 (46:07):
DAY i put in my two.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Weeks six weeks after that, CONVERSATION i walked out of,
there and you, know everybody THOUGHT i was, Crazy like
what are you going to?
Speaker 9 (46:18):
Do like they all THOUGHT i was like going To
nestle or, something.
Speaker 8 (46:21):
AND i was, Like nestley get.
Speaker 5 (46:23):
You AND i was like, no, no, No nashville. Did
and they're, like where are you Gonna so you're gonna
go write songs for? SOMEBODY i was, like, no like
you got a publishing. Deal, no someone's cutting your, songs. Right,
no have you ever sang a song? Before, no so.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
At this point you weren't even.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Singing, No i'd never sang a song for anybody in my,
life and so that Was you, know that was a
lot to come to come to terms, with but you
know it was a real leap of. Faith you KNOW
i had, this you know WHAT i call a great
string with a capital p.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
ALL i thank you, guys hope you enjoyed This. Bobbycast
we had a few thanks to making a, trainer and
congrats to all those guys who already WON ACMs this.
Year so we'll see you guys real soon on another
episode of The Bobby. Cast, bye, everybody thanks for listening
to A Bobby cast production
Host
Bobby Bones
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